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China Removes Cyberwar Video, Denies Everything
jjp9999 writes "Anyone looking for the video clip showing the Chinese regime launching cyberattacks using script kiddie tactics was greeted with a message stating 'Error Page — This page does not exist anymore,' on the state-run TV website. The propaganda video, still available on YouTube, included a clip showing an unseen user launching a cyberattack against an Alabama-based website of the Falun Gong meditation practice. China's Defense Minister told the Washington Post via e-mail that the video was 'pure action of the producer,' adding that the 'Chinese military has never implemented any form of cyber attacks.' The statement is the common line given by the regime after they're tacked with launching a global cyberattack — including after GhostNet, Operation Aurora, Operation Night Dragon, and Operation Shady Rat were revealed."
Chinese military has never implemented any form of cyber attacks
But the Chinese equivalent of the NSA sure did....
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Just man up and own it. For fuck's sake, it's just getting painful.
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The General was quoted as: "These aren't the droids you're looking for. Move along."
This is amusing, but not particularly scary. Everyone expects this kind of behavior and lies out of the Chinese government, and acts accordingly. It's never the covert actions of our enemies that scare me *nearly* as much as the covert actions of my own government. After all, you can build walls to protect against an *outside* threat.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
We've always been at war with Eastasia.
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Reminds me of the Simpsons episode where they go to China, and in Tiananmen Square they have a plaque that says "On This Site in 1989, Nothing Happened"
please excuse my apathy
I suggested a total blockade of traffic from China years ago. We do not have any needs of them accessing our internet.
Athiesm is a religion like not collecting stamps is a hobby.
No the US will smile and nod at china as they continue developing their own "weapons of digital warfare", what the US believes and say they believe are 2 seperate things. It actually wouldn't supprise me if china didn't have the program in question, just a fake UI they designed to "accidentally leak". China and the US are involved in rivaling mind games, the 2 biggest edges one could have in a fight is for the other side to completely mis-estimate what you have and or know.
...the US government will probably believe China.
For politicial and economic reasons it has to "believe" China. Whether it privately actually believes China is a completely different matter.
China's Defense Minister told the Washington Post via e-mail that the video was 'pure action of the producer,' adding that the 'Chinese military has never implemented any form of cyber attacks.'
Of course, what they don't tell you is that there are cyber units/departments in other ministries of the government. So they could be telling the complete truth when they say that the Chinese military has never implemented cyber attacks. Notice that they never said the Chinese GOVERNMENT has never implemented cyber attacks.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
The video ran on Chinese STATE-RUN television. That means that some hack in the massive Chinese censorship bureaucracy vetted this video and decided to show it to the Proletariat anyway. This entire summary is about how the Chinese pulled it from their STATE-RUN website and put up a message saying, "What? Who? Us? What video?" If this were just some random thing uploaded by Falun Gong supporters then your argument would hold water. Instead it's something that China ran on their-- let me say it again-- STATE-RUN television news, and Falun Gong supporters saw it and reuploaded it to the wider web to say, Ha ha, look how stupid China is.
Imagine the Tea Party creates a relatively boring propaganda video about government spending, but in the background for 3 seconds of one shot you can see Michelle Bachmann snorting cocaine. Someone at Huffington Post catches this, copies the video, and uploads it to their website saying, "Wow, busted!" The Tea Party turn around and delete the video from their website and claim it was never there, and then you come along on Slashdot and claim the whole thing was a HuffPo propaganda hit piece and that they orchestrated the whole thing.
In short, the Chinese Politburo would like to send you their sincerest thanks for backing up the party line.
"There was no cover-up."
"There is definitive proof that Saddam has weapons of mass destruction."
"We do not torture."
"They started it."
Bald-faced lies, the lingua franca of government.
Nicely done. Sadly meta-mod did not give me your post.
and once again, lets make this perfectly clear: the video footage in question was provided by a pro-falun gong website, showing depictions of attacks against falun gong sites.
No, you are wrong. Either you didn't read the article, didn't understand the article, or are deliberately spreading misinformation.
1.) The full video was provided by cntv.cn, which is the video archive of the state-controlled China Central Television network (originally at http://military.cntv.cn/program/jskj/20110717/100139.shtml )
2.) The gleeful commentary about the slip-up in the content of the video was provided a pro Falun Gong website.
3.) Even the Chinese government did not blame Falun Gong for the video, but is blaming its own producer.
tl;dr: the video footage in question was provided by a Chinese state-controlled website
There was an sometimes amusing, usually frustrating, that seems to be somewhat unique to Chinese politicians. They'll publicly make baldfaced lies. There will be overwhelming evidence and they'll still blatantly deny it. Our politicians lie like hell, but they're more tactful about it. Once the secret is out they'll do a little tap dance to avoid actually addressing the issue. But not there, they'll just keep lying about it until everyone forgets about it, they're forced to resign or they end up in jail.
So it's not surprising in the least that they're denying this video. And the best part is that they'll deny these attacks and then gloat about it all behind our backs.
Well said, I could not possibly agree more.
I like to think it's more like the refusal would be equivalent to the US insisting that they DIDN'T invade the Middle East, and that it was all just "Anti-US" propaganda and lies. I don't care what China's reasons are. The fact that they got getting caught doing it but are schizophrenically denying it is the part that bothers me.
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This is a country that has a history of pointing at a deer and call it a horse, or more recently calling Minnie Mouse a "cat with large ears." So why is this a surprise?
ELOI, ELOI, LAMA SABACHTHANI!?
One of these things is not like the other ones... =/
Diplomatic "courtesy" requires the US to believe China. Privately, everyone knows that a deer is a deer.
ELOI, ELOI, LAMA SABACHTHANI!?
The gist of the 10 minutes:
1. Cyber warfare is an emerging worldwide threat
2. Viruses pose the largest current threat, Morris worm shown as example
2. Many countries in the world are developing their cyber warfare capabilities
3. Chinese cyber defenses are weak and ill-prepared compared to most of these countries
4. The US integrated a cyber warfare department into its air force in 2006, made up of computer experts and hackers
5. The US has been using its world-leading cyber security abilities to its advantage in its middle east wars
6. The US often conducts cyber warfare exercises to improve its readiness
7. British MoD has been developing cyber weapons in preparation for possible future engagements
8. Iran, India, Israel, South Korea have already established internet army (cyber warfare departments)
9. Japan this year just established it's own "cyber self-defense group"
10. Chinese internet has experienced significant development, but is still weak in cyber defense compared to other countries
11. Because a cyber war has no front lines or depth of terrain, a proper cyber defense must integrate both military and civilian assets
12. Cyber defense and offense are two sides of the same coin, and while one may be prioritized above the other at different times, their mutual support is always fluid and dynamic
13. Large scale cyber warfare may be the future of modern warfare
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Perhaps that is because maybe it wasn't the US at all?
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Humans lie all the time. :(
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Ignoring the fact that breaking the internet on purpose is short-sighted at best, what exactly do you think would prevent them from renting servers and IP space from any number of other countries to continue doing whatever they feel like doing? Not to mention simply bouncing off proxies created from botnets.
And that hacks' kidneys, liver, and lungs are now available for transplant.
Bald-faced lies, the lingua franca of government.
Indeed. Quite opposed to corporations, trade unions, churches, scientists, public interest groups, police departments, community organizers, universities, charities, and individuals, all of which advance and defend their interests with 100% honesty and lamb-like innocence.
I don't make the rules. I just make fun of them.
Now now, the people have already decided that it was the US, Israel, or both. The fact that there is no actual evidence just proves that it had to be the US or Israel because certainly no one else in the world has the ability to pull off something like this. Which is sort of surprising since the US is constantly criticized for a lack of cyber security abilities and overall intelligence. \sarcasm
> "who are for some reason completely convinced china is launching a massive digital attack against its primary trading partner."
I wasn't aware that Falun Gong was China's primary trading partner.
But, seriously, China has ample reasons to exploit security holes to conduct industrial and military espionage. They realize, as the US does, that the trade agreement is overlayed on top of *the* major rivalry of the 21st century.
> "Bad analogy. Michelle Bachmann is well known. The China video is showing an "unseen" person.. If an unseen person is shown to be doing cocaine in a tea party video"
Bad analogy, since the hacker in the background is obviously following orders. Some random person in the background snorting cocaine would obviously be doing it for their own reasons, not because they were ordered to (which would give the tea party credibility in saying "they weren't doing it on our behalf"). Anyway, his analogy wasn't about who was giving orders or who was in control over the person in the background - it was about whether or not the video was fake. You picked out the wrong feature of the analogy and complained it didn't fit.
I'm sorry, China. I shouldn't have expected anything better than lies from any government. I am no longer outraged. You may continue operating as usual, but now you don't have to worry about our disapproval. Thank you, NicknamesAreStupid, for normalizing lies and deceit. I predict a rosey future for humanity when nobody even complains about government lies. And, I predict a wonderful existence for governments when they can lie without ever being held accountable, not even having to face social disapproval.
As long as we're at it, let's add a few more things: men and women cheat. Let's stop complaining about it. Let's just shrug and not even make people face social disapproval. Habitual cheaters everywhere, rejoice. You've just reached heaven.
The idea of "Lying", or more closely, "Denying", is more like they are purposely showing you your (or our) inability to do anything about what they just did right back in your face. I think it's more about "Screw you, scum. What can you do about it?" than "Who, me?" Which is pretty much what they do to their people all the time. "Might is right. Peasants suck. Go, Communism! Have a nice day." And they think they are making themselves "happier".
The point is not that you shouldn't be upset by these revelations. The point is that you should already be outraged. If you were in any way surprised by these actions you are terribly naive.
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Yeah, but nobody died when Clinton lied.
I've noticed a funny thing: the same person that is against government b/c it is by definition incompetent and can't do anything as good as the private sector AT THE SAME TIME firmly believes the government runs secret programs to < Insert Contrails Theory Here > and is so competent there exists no proof of this years/decades long program.
...sometimes, in order to hurt someone very badly, you have to tell that person terrible lies. - PA
So we should attack our problems now instead of letting them grow. Just because they're not as bad doesn't mean we shouldn't focus on them.
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Them denying it reminds me of Leslie Nelson.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NNOrp_83RU
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Think they'll send a DMCA take-down notice to YouTube next?
We're not the intended target of the lie. To China, the West is hostile to them. We already have a crappy opinion of their government, and they couldn't care less if our opinion got any worse.
The lie is for the Chinese people. If they can fool the Chinese people into believing this never happened, that helps them stay in power that much longer. In fact, if they can convince the Chinese people that this was all a lie made up by the West (and Falun Gong), it's a net positive for them. This is the kind of BS you can successfully pull off if there isn't a free press.
the same person that is against government b/c it is by definition incompetent and can't do anything as good as the private sector AT THE SAME TIME firmly believes the government runs secret programs
Clearly, they are planted by the government to discredit the groups working against the government by having other people planted by the government point out the crazy contradictions that they believe in.
We're on to you!
If I have been able to see further than others, it is because I bought a pair of binoculars.
The Chinese people have an even crappier opinion of their government than we do.
I watched the original on cntv.cn yesterday before they took it down. I'm not exactly sure how Falun Gong was able to hack cntv.cn.
Eh? The same one that the person I replied to was referring to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East
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I didn't do it.
From The Article
China has banned 100 songs from being featured on websites, barring artists ranging from Lady Gaga to the Backstreet Boys apparently for being out of tune with the country's cultural authorities. The ministry of culture said it aimed to regulate the "order" of the Internet music market, adding songs that "harm the security of state culture must be cleaned up and regulated under the law". The notice, issued on August 19 and posted on the ministry's website, included American singer Lady Gaga's "The Edge of Glory", "Hair", "Marry the Night" and "Bloody Mary".
Dear Chinese Leaders:
You people are about as stupid as a box of fucking hair if you think Beyonce or the Backstreet Boys or Lady Gaga is somehow going to corrupt your already corrupt crony statist capitalism. Please buy a clue: Pop garbage is the BEST way to keep your people in the dark. Look at the USA. The people there fill their lives with an endless stream of horseshit, and the closest thing these boneheads have to a viable "opposition to the system" is the astroturfed morons of the Tea Party who think that government involvement in their Medicare system is a problem, which is a bit like getting the government out of the Dept of Motor Vehicles, but I digress. You get my point. Americans are so doped up on stupid "Reality" TV, barking bullshit on twitter, maundering on what they had for lunch on Facebook, and sitting glazed in front of youtube videos of kittens playing piano, that stuff like Lady Gaga is what passes for high art in these chowderhead's minds. This is NOT subversive - it only works to keep them cowed and stupid and in front of the screen and off the streets.
You should be advocating every bit of brain drool America can send you, and pretty soon your populace will be just as dull and incurious as the Americans.
Now, cheerfully go fuck yourselves you pathetic two bit losers.
RS
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We didn't unilaterally invade, oh no, it was purely a defensive action because Iraq had weapons that they were planning to use on us. That's a lie, and the government has never admitted it, even though they got caught.
Oh no, we are not torturing people, but when the government got caught waterboarding people they refused to admit it, and even tried to redefine torture rather than admit the lie. Guantanamo Bay is still open and operating, in fact.
I do not see the huge difference here.
And yet this thread shows that at least some of us buy into our own government's lies without much reflection. So maybe it works anyway.
...is futile. ROFLMAO. They will eventually fail miserably and the way they value "face" who knows what will happen. It's good comedy though.
Touche.
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This go way back to 1100, the Chinese are alway looking to get the upper hand. To them, anyone on outside is the emeny, and that will never change. They are always looking to take you and smile while doing it.