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HIV Vaccine Trial Shows 90% Immune Response
fergus07 writes "Researchers at the Spanish Superior Scientific Research Council (CSIC) have successfully completed Phase I human clinical trials of a HIV vaccine in which 90% of volunteers developed an immunological response against the virus. The MVA-B vaccine draws on the natural capabilities of the human immune system and 'has proven to be as powerful as any other vaccine currently being studied, or even more,' says Mariano Esteban, head researcher from CSIC's National Biotech Centre."
link is goatse
Healthy relationships would kill HIV 100%, not 90.
Meanwhile, back in reality....
this?
idiot.
That's great. This combined with existing anti-retroviral therapies might actually extinguish HIV from the face of the earth in only a few decades, if used widely.
That's not the way vaccines work. If the prostitute is also vaccinated (very likely) probabilities compound and you have 90%*90% = 99% chance that prostitute won't kill you.
Thank you, June. Now go fix Wally and the Beaver their dinner.
Care killed the cat, but satisfaction brought it back.
I wish I had modpoints to mod you up. Indeed, fantasyland is just that...
I don't understand why the concept is so difficult. There is a 100% effective way to prevent catching HIV. Don't have sex with someone who has it! Why is that so unrealistic?
Godaddy is a scam and a ripoff.
Well, yeah, aside from tainted transfusions, blood contact from sports injuries, at dentists, unlicensed back-alley tattoo shops, or giving first aid to an infected person, as well as the small (some tiny nonzero) possibility of contracting HIV through hard surfaces such as toilet seats, as well as contracting HIV from the mother (yes, there are babies born with HIV) - and let's not forget idiots who shoot up and even more moronically share needles. Aside from those few? Sure, healthy relationships will prevent 100% of HIV/AIDS cases. Oops, we forgot another one: your BF or GF is a windower/widow and his or her spouse was infected, and didn't know, and you don't know, so in your healthy relationship you contract HIV. But yeah, healthy relationships will be a 100% iron-clad guarantee that HIV will be vanquished over the course of a single generation, so let's not devote resources toward finding a cure or preventive vaccine.
At least, that is your opinion now, until you're a car accident victim and are treated by an infected EMT, or an infected doctor, or are tattooed by an artist who is violating all kinds of health codes by putting ink back into the bottle for reuse, or you happen to be the unfortunate soul who proves that the infinitesimal chance of contracting HIV from a toilet seat isn't so improbable after all, or until you found your wife's previous partner had HIV and it has been incubating in her body but when you got your marriage license she still tested clean, or your dentist is infected and infects you, then, suddenly, you won't be such an ass and will see the good sense of spending money to protect the responsible folks from the sluts and the drug users, and even from the innocents (EMTs, men and women who have been cheated on, doctors, etc.) who may be harboring the infection.
Contrary to your belief, not everyone with HIV is a reckless intravenous-drug-using slut. The idea is to protect everyone from the disease because there are too many opportunities for the responsible to contract the disease from the reckless.
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sooo.... what happened to the other 10 percent? They all got HIV? That would suck.
What do you think?
I'm certain that eminent molecular biologists who developed the vaccine in question are grateful to you for sharing your valuable insight with the world, because I'm sure that as an Anonymous Coward on Slashdot, you are so much more qualified and knowledgeable than they are about HIV's abilities and vulnerabilities.
I can finally go back to sharing needles. I gotta save money, what with the economy in the gutter.
Rofl, they still have aids.
Nice anti-government remark ;)
If only there were any evidence of that. Lifetime monogamy is not necessarily a healthy relationship. There are lots of reasons for that, not least of which being that people change, and not always positively. Moreover you are pretending the only transmission vector is sex, which is just absurd given how the pathogen actually spreads.
Meh, I don't care, even an AIDS epidemic can't possibly be worse than Miracle Day.
"The MVA-B vaccine draws on the natural capabilities of the human immune system"
Isn't that how *all* vaccines work?
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge"
- Charles Darwin
So, you're saying you can have sex with 100 vaccinated prostitutes and only get HIV once...
Consider yourself sued!
We could alternatively settle out of court with a game of Quake 3.
I should have been a girl, with the way I can dance... my moves are amazing!
And don't ever get sick enough to need a blood transfusion.
Oh, and don't ever work in the health industry or volunteer anywhere that you could accidentally come in contact with infected blood.
Are you trolling or just that naive?
Because HIV infected individuals have a large glowing neon sign attached to their foreheads saying "I HAVE HIV!"
Sigs are for the weak.
Getting raped doesn't imply a healthy relationship at all, the consent is KINDA MISSING (unless thats your thing rofl). Also men get raped all the time, DOC, strange european ladies (she was actually kinda hot), etc...
It is not "100% effective" because sexual intercourse is not the only transmission vector.
It is unrealistic because we have a very strong instinct to reproduce, and that generally involves at least one other person/orangutan whose HIV status we don't really *know* except perhaps a short period immediately after they are tested.
That's not prevalent enough to be much of an issue. What you're forgetting is that rape only spreads HIV in a subset of cases where one party has HIV already. And HIV would almost certainly have died out years ago if rape was the primary driver of new infections.
Oh yeah, they never did cure Herpes, did they? :(
You are woefully uneducated. I suggest you use your google-fu on other ways HIV is transmitted.
Yes, sex with an infected partner. And sharing of needles, blood transfusions, and babies born from infected mothers, to name a few.
You stereotypers are all the same...
90% * 90% = 81%. This is the chance that two events with 90% probability will occur at the same time independent of each other. I think what you're trying to say is 90% + (90% * 10%) = 99%.
I wonder if a vaccine against AIDS will result in a sexual revolution as happened in the '60s with the advent of birth control pills.
And yes, I do know there's more then one STD out there, but that didn't stop them in the 60's either.
Looks like the big, homophobic Guy in the Sky takes another one in the 'nads from our friends in the medical research community.
I wonder what Pat Robinson's got to say about this. He's been remarkably quiet since all those tornadoes ripped through the Bible Belt, sucking up true believers like a vaccuum cleaner on meth.
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
So does this mean we will have a cure for this?
http://www.nytimes.com/1982/05/11/science/new-homosexual-disorder-worries-health-officials.html?pagewanted=all
I don't understand why the concept is so difficult. There is a 100% effective way to prevent catching HIV. Don't have sex with someone who has it! Why is that so unrealistic?
Perhaps it's unrealistic because it's not true. For example,
Contaminated haemophilia blood products
Blood transfusions
Transmission from mother to child
Needlestick injuries to health workers
It's also theoretically possible to get it from tattoos and piercings although no known cases have been documented.
Some of what I say is fact, some is conjecture, the rest I'm just blowing out my ass...you guess.
Not taking a side but you did ask for numbers. CDC Published numbers for 2009
Estimated Number of Diagnoses of HIV Infection, 2009
Male-to-male sexual contact 23,846
Injection drug use 3,932
Male-to-male sexual contact and injection drug use 1,131
Heterosexual contact 12,860
Other 76
There are the 2009 numbers.
BTW, in a Healthy relationship Men and Women cheat and do not tell there partner! The percentages of cheaters among men and women were 52% and 66% respectively.
Thank you for researching that.
I realize that nobody ever decides to catch it, but 99.8% of those cases COULD have been avoided.
Godaddy is a scam and a ripoff.
I guess they finally managed to cram the required shit-ton of money into a single syringe.
Having only "safer sex", sex with only one partner, and abstinence goes against our nature. Our entire biology is geared to reproducing and spreading our genes as widely as possible. You will never get 100% of people to have protected sex 100% of the time. You will never get 100% of people in monogamous relationships to not cheat. The best we can do is get the largest percentage of people we can to do things which reduce their chances of contracting HIV. Rather than live in the fantasy world where nobody makes bad decisions, why not live the real world? I don't understand why the concept is so difficult.
I really shouldn't have used someone else's email address for this account.
On 1983, the year the HIV was "discovered". I'm glad I might actually live to see it extinct.
I don't know about that, but I have a sure-fire way to not die from HIV. You see, it is simple. If you find you have contracted HIV, jump off the nearest bridge. You will no longer need to worry about HIV! Of course, this process only has about a 99% success rate, so you might need to repeat it a few times to ensure you are cured of HIV.
Yes, that was sarcasm. I know it's hard to tell with some of the idiots out there on this topic.
Great Intellect...
Healthy relationships would kill HIV 100%, not 90.
Have you heard of the saying about not throwing "pearls" before swine? Worldly people don't like to think of the consequences of their actions or think of relationships in terms of emotional entanglements.
I agree with you 100% but many people just don't seem to get that STDs exist as a deterrent for certain types of behaviours.
Jesus was a compassionate social conservative who called individuals to sin no more.
I think your percentage is off. 30%+ are Heterosexual contact. You are assuming that all of that is from unhealthy relationships where in reality an unknown percentage is contact within a healthy relationship.
Remember, in a normal and healthy relationship men and women will cheat 52% and 66% respectively.
Yes, just never have sex. Uh huh. How about you head back to the pulpit, where people feel obliged to listen to you (and then ignore what you said afterwards).
Great Intellect...
Development of MVA-B is based on the insertion of four HIV genes in a previously used vaccine (MVA) for smallpox. When injected with the vaccine, a healthy immune system can react against the MVA, whilst the HIV genes are incapable of self-replicating. This guarantees a safe clinical trial for HIV free volunteers. Furthermore by trialing the vaccine on healthy patients, the immune system can learn how to detect and combat the HIV virus components. "It is like showing a picture of the HIV so that it is able to recognize it if it sees it again in the future", says Esteban.
Even throwing out the ridiculous concept that the 'male-to-male' doesn't include long term stable relationships, the heterosexual contact certainly contains a significant number of long term stable relationships.
Since people *do* cheat, you can't prevent what you don't know about, since cheating is quite frequently...secret. So all the long term stable partners of 'cheaters' who caught HIV couldn't do anything to prevent infection.
Injection drug use - insulin is a legal form of this and certainly has some placement in the numbers. So unless you want to live in the fantasy world of Leave it to Beaver, no, 99.8% weren't preventable.
People in cars cause accidents....accidents in cars cause people
Yes. Oh and your mom will be home a little late tonight...
People in cars cause accidents....accidents in cars cause people
HIV vaccine in which 90% of volunteers developed an immunological response against the virus.
This is an absolutely meaningless measure; seroconversion against HIV is easy to achieve, and typically worthless. The elicited antibodies end up being targeted to highly variable regions, and have little long-term neutralizing power.
Although a handful of unusual broadly neutralizing antibodies have been found among "elite controllers", it is extremely rare for typical individuals to generate them. There's been some speculation it might be possible to create an effective vaccine by directing the response away from decoy regions, and towards the handful of areas targeted by such elite antibodies. Thus far, nobody has managed such a feat, unfortunately.
I never said anything about sexual preference having anything to do with whether a relationship is safe or not. You're assuming that because I said "Abstinence is safest" that I must be some bible thumping homophobe.
How can insulin have anything to do with HIV? I know lots of diabetics and none of them are sharing needles. Spreading HIV through drug use should be 100% preventable. I thought drugs were expensive? Why share a cheap IV needle? Most people wouldn't share a toothbrush!
Godaddy is a scam and a ripoff.
I think this may have been a reference to the now-infamous "your an idiot" response. Not sure though. 50% possibility it's an actual idiot, 50% possibility of a reference.
Why, are you a member of the world health organization?
Uncivilization!
As a potential lottery winner, I totally support tax cuts for the wealthy
If you know how monogamous hetero relationships can prevent transmission from non-sexual activities could you pass that along to the proper authorities?
Just because an immune response in the form of circulating antibodies from B cells is seen does not mean infection and replication will not occur when a person is exposed to HIV; most people with HIV have high levels of HIV antibodies circulating in their blood, but the rate at which the virus mutates, as well as the fact that the epitopes the body naturally develops immune responses to are "hidden" by the way in which the viral capsular proteins are folded means that the antibodies do little if anything to halt infection. Furthermore, the CD4+ T cells which initiate a more effective immune response are one of the two types of cells the virus infects (the others being macrophages). At this point, the article gives no further details or useful specifics. If they had said they had generated a cytotoxic CD8+ cell response, or perhaps an immune response against one of the conserved regions of the gp120 or gp41 viral receptors, then I'd be interested. Till then, I am going to be quite skeptical about this until they have some efficacy data. (I am a medical student with an MS in biomedical science)
In the US there has been one known HIV transmission through blood transfusion in the last 8 years the chances of getting HIV from a blood transfusion are 1 in 1,500,000. 1 in 400 people who get stuck with a needle or cut with a sharp from a person with HIV contract the virus there have been 57 cases of health care workers getting HIV at work there are 12,000,000 health care workers. Getting HIV is not that easy mostly bad decisions have to be made to get HIV. The chances that you get HIV from a source besides sex and sharing needles is too small to consider 0.000002% you have a better chance of dieing from constipation.
Knowledge = Power
P= W/t
t=Money
Money = Work/Knowledge so the less you know the more you make
you give them the vaccine, wait a while, draw blood, expose that blood to the disease, then watch under a scope and see what happens.
I've decided to Diversify my Holdings. I've divided my cash between my left and right pockets, instead of all in one.
Vaccines against viruses work because they train the immune system to attack the virus. They introduce something that gets it going. Can be a dead virus, can be a live but weakened virus, but whatever the case it trips off the immune system which produces a tailor made response. The immune system can then use that to kill any future invasions from that virus.
This is the same thing that happens when someone gets sick. However in that case, the live (in so far as a virus is alive) and fully active so it overwhelms the body for awhile until the body can formulate the response and fight back. All the vaccine does is make that process easier and safer.
The flip side of that is if it is the sort of thing the immune system fights off, but then it comes back, well a vaccine won't work, at least not a vaccine in the classical sense. If the immune system can't develop an effective repeating method to kill the virus, then a vaccine won't help.
Really this shit is not a big medical conspiracy, it is just how things work. What's more, the more things we cure, the harder the things are that remain. We fixed the things that were easy to fix long ago. We are getting to the hard shit now.
I was on a blog once where a guy posted that there's only about a 1/1000 chance of contracting it from an affected person. He then got flamed into dust. I looked up his numbers and it's actually true! During normal sexual intercourse, the rates are 1/1000 male (infected) to female and 1/2000 female (infected) to male. With rates that low, I don't even think "sexually transmitted" is the right word. You probably have to have an open wound, scratch, or open sore from another STD to transmit the virus.
Now, when you start getting kinkier (e.g. anal) the rates start going up. I can't recall the numbers for these, but I think they were around the percentile range (give or take a few factors of 2). I think because the skin in your nether regions is much thinner and porous. This is why the gay community has been so devastated by AIDS. Additionally, the rate of HIV in gay males is 1/5 with half that number not even being aware that they're infected :(
I swear to God...I swear to God! That is NOT how you treat your human!
This isn't /b/, so your use of 'fag' makes you an intolerant asshole of a bigot.
Kindly go dive into a fire.
For large sets, this will be our guide even unto death, for the LORD will work for each type of data it is applied to...
DOC?
For large sets, this will be our guide even unto death, for the LORD will work for each type of data it is applied to...
Tell that to Africa
a handful of selfish greedy people are no match for millions of selfish, greedy people -u4ya
True, but this also depends on which class of medicine. There there are also some efficacy data collected with vaccines.
it delivers the goods... bitch.
For those playing the home game:
Science: million+
Alternative meds: 0
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Based on your argument, anyone who contracts HIV should be put in solitary confinement so they cannot transmit it to others, same as murderers. You can only get so far in suppressing animal instincts while ignoring the consequences of the ones that inevitably slip up. Besides, I'd much rather have a society where people go around fucking each other than beating each other to death, which is why the prisons are full of violent offenders instead of adulterers. (Though IIRC, there was an article a while back on how promiscuity vs. monogamy was actually a genetic spectrum and people naturally wind up all over this spectrum. It's not like *everyone* is programmed to be irresponsible.)
And you also ignore the fact that the site of the real HIV epidemic is Africa, where many cultures almost *expect* everyone to have multiple sexual partners. There are efforts to change the culture, but culture changes VERY slowly and in the mean time people are dying. A vaccine like this would be of immeasurable value to them.
I frequently find that people that people that push for extremely limited sexual contact usually only take that advice seriously when it involves other people contributing other genes to the gene pool, their teenage daughter. (That changes BTW. Usually in the twenties and later, the heat is on for grandkids.)
Any sufficiently advanced influence is indistinguishable from control.
Yes, because the only possible vector for HIV infection is through sexual intercourse
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I wish I could settle [i]everything[/i] out of court with a match of Quake III Arena. My 1337 skills would practically position me above the law! :)
"He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." --Paul Atreides, Dune
In the US there has been one known HIV transmission through blood transfusion in the last 8 years the chances of getting HIV from a blood transfusion are 1 in 1,500,000. 1 in 400 people who get stuck with a needle or cut with a sharp from a person with HIV contract the virus there have been 57 cases of health care workers getting HIV at work there are 12,000,000 health care workers. Getting HIV is not that easy mostly bad decisions have to be made to get HIV. The chances that you get HIV from a source besides sex and sharing needles is too small to consider 0.000002% you have a better chance of dieing from constipation.
So, still not 100% then?
In no way does gaysex spread your genes as widely as possible. It may spread your jeans, though.
Your face when you realise you're the only person who's brought up 'gay sex'...
Department of Corrections?
If it quacks like a duck....
What the hell does any of this have to do with the US? The vaccine from the original article wasn't even developed in the US. HIV isn't an epidemic "in the US", but that doesn't mean it's not worth pursuing a vaccine.
If you want to quote statistics - in Africa the estimate is 250-500 people a DAY contract HIV from unsafe (either contaminated blood or equipment) transfusions. Some 3rd world countries in Asia are almost as bad. And since there is such a higher rate of HIV and such poor health care conditions, it's much more dangerous for the health care workers as well.
But I guess same pseudo-moralistic bullshit attitude that would pretend to argue HIV is not a world epidemic and is only contracted by all of those fornicators and addicts probably doesn't give a shit about anyone outside of their tiny little world, anyway.
AH, but I've moved on to battlefield 3 and SC2 (long timer) nowadays. Quake 3 ftw though :) I remember!
He agreed 100% that a healthy relationship could prevent 100% of HIV so I was really curious how it takes care of the non-sexual transmission vectors.
Exactly, you Still don't want to be one of those 57 people. It would be a Huge boost to peace of mind for healthcare workers to have this on hand, they could have a blood test for active T-cells of the right type, and be confident that any HIV infection would get stopped. I'd be interested to know if being vaccinated pre-infection would mean you'd never have to worry about passing it on to anyone though, that would still make sex a problem, even if you weren't going to die from AIDS.
You missed the obvious one:
Partners could lie. Sure you're in a "healthy" relationship...
People without vaginas often have a hard time remembering the whole rape thing, but women do get raped.
Aside from that, there is always the good ol' cheating spouse. You can be a Good Christian(tm) and still get AIDS from your fallen-from-grace spouse.
W..w..W - Willy Waterloo washes Warren Wiggins who is washing Waldo Woo.
Well, you are clearly a troll, too, but I didn't even reply to you, jeez.
Because over 75% of people are surprised to learn that their monogamous sex partner made a different life choice.
"Who is the Journal of Quantum Physics going to believe?" --Stephen Hawking
Yet you can be in a lovely monogamous screened relationship and your partner could choose not to be. Life throws curveballs sometimes.
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That should be two sentences.
So should that.
And that.
Fuckpot.
How could a phase 1 trial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_trial#Phase_I) show 90% effectiveness? Phase 1 trials are about the safety of the drug, not its effectiveness.
All that phase 1 trials attempt to show is that the drug is not deadly to healthy people and what dosages might be useful. The long-term effectiveness is still to be proven.
I'm inclined to see the point of implementing eugenics in a way that doesn't just amount to racist BS.
I listen to both RIAA and non-RIAA stuff if I like the music, tangential business/politics nonwithstanding.
AIDS is a much bigger problem for underdeveloped countries. Look at the rates in Africa compared to the US and like it or not lowering the transmission rates through proper education drastically reduces the transmission rates through transfusions and other methods. No reason not to research a vaccine and a cure, but when you compare AIDS to something like Malaria or Small Pocks things that are passed through the air or by insects that are virtually impossible to avoid I don't find it so hard to understand why a person would rather donate to other causes.
Forced and accidental transmission are a problem with any STD, but really want to lower the incident rate which will require a combination of treatments, vaccines and preventive treatment. Weather you want to admit it or not for all STDs this involves both protective measures during and before engaging in sex and saying its not in our nature isn't really the answer.
Momento Mori
> Don't have sex with someone who has it!
Hmmm, so tell me, how do I control with 100% certainty that my wife never strays and never gets infected?
Diabetic needle reuse and sharing is seen almost exclusively in diabetics who are homeless or otherwise at severely low incomes, but it is documented. People who are unable to afford all the oral meds also used, or who have trouble getting the required prescriptions for injectors refilled regularly, do sometimes reuse needles, and even borrow from each other. Needles are controlled by prescription since they are also sought by illegal drug users, meaning diabetics without good access to doctors can run short. In other cases, not being able to afford the oral medications means the diabetic uses needles faster than their doctor thought they might and runs short. It's not that they are as uncaring about the risks as for typical heroin users or similar, but even with some risk awareness, sometimes it's the only option left.
Who is John Cabal?
What he's trying to say is 10% chance of getting HIV * 10% chance of hooker having HIV = 1% chance of getting it, or 99% chance of not getting it.
And those statistics are only for the US, which is a first world country with a modern health care system that provides ready access to retrovirals, thorough testing, and sterile equipment. HIV vaccines aren't about the US.
There are an estimated 1M cases of HIV in the US, while Sub-Saharan Africa is estimated at well over 30M, with thousands of new cases daily. The WHO estimates 200-400 of those a day come from blood transfusions, so the "1 person in 8 years in the US" is pretty narrow minded...
Make sure her leash doesn't reach to the doorway and install a good security system, of course.
because humans lie, don't know they have it then spread it to others that don't know they have it. They rape women and infect them and babies are born with AIDs as well.
I challenge you to find anything in any of my posts that indicate my religious beliefs. Advocating keeping your dick in your pants outside of a monogamous relationship is just common sense and proof that we've evolved beyond monkeys.
Or maybe we haven't.
Godaddy is a scam and a ripoff.
I know! How come these people don't use their powers of omniscience to avoid all the infected people they meet?? And those nurses assigned to HIV patients are such dirty whoring sluts, too.
Synerg1y wrote:
Clearly you've never heard of rape. While it doesn't fall under the category of healthy relationships, it can still affect people who would otherwise only engage in healthy relationships. For that matter, a person might believe themselves to be in a healthy relationship and be deceived. The arrogant presumption implicit in your post that HIV only strikes moral degenerates is quite incorrect.
99.8% (I'm just copying your made up statistic) of car accidents COULD have been avoided as well. What's the actual point? Is it that we shouldn't bother developing an AIDS vaccine? Should we similarly not bother trying to make cars safer since people could just drive more carefully? In fact, people could abstain from driving altogether and all car accidents would go away (unless it still counts when a tornado drops one on someone).
Actually there was 1 case of a deliberate cure...
but well you have to get leukemia in order to be eligible... So i dont think you can really offer it to just anyone.
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I think GP found 'a dumb' and is pushing it on his parent
-- no sig today
I wish I could mod you -1 Naive.
And even then (after testing) you can't be sure because of the window period:
"Antibody tests may give false negative (no antibodies were detected despite the presence of HIV) results during the window period, an interval of three weeks to six months between the time of HIV infection and the production of measurable antibodies to HIV seroconversion."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV_test#Window_period
99% chance that she won't kill you?
Don't pay that bitch and you'll see how likely she is to kill you, vaccinated or not!
What would that mean for this?
https://www.xkcd.com/938/
whoosh? :)
Substitute 'Medicine' for 'Science' and you're in the main right, and why should it be any other way?
Qu'ell Schmuck !
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
I'm not sure, but keep it up -- she hasn't cheated on me yet!
https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere
And don't ever get sick enough to need a blood transfusion.
Oh, and don't ever work in the health industry or volunteer anywhere that you could accidentally come in contact with infected blood.
Are you trolling or just that naive?
Little of both actually, with a touch of insanity, just for the flavor of course.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
Even if a vaccine ever ends up being approved for HIV, there's no doubt that there is going to be a whole wave of controversy around actually vaccinating people, as is the case with the HPV vaccine. Since so many parents think that vaccinating their kids for HPV is just giving them another "green light" to have sex when they're younger, I am sure the HIV vaccine would be met with that same response, if not an even greater one. It will be a huge hindrance to a great achievement.
No... This is slashdot. It's really bad at displaying characters like the superscript 2 which would have made GP's post correct.
(1 - 90%)^2 = 1 - 99%
Yeah, those dirty diabetics were cursed by God anyways, so they don't count, right? Or they're in unhealthy relationships. Or both. Goddamned dysfunctional diabetics. Fucking junkies.
Truck driver, plumber, Linux systems engineer.
Good euphemism.
No because you should probably more careful than trying to fulfill what you think of as an immediate sexual desire.
You can be a Good Christian(tm) and still get AIDS from your fallen-from-grace spouse.
That's ok. Good Christians know that everything that happens to them is part of God's Plan (tm). So it's alright to contract HIV from your cheating bastard of a spouse.
That's just the USA, right? How about African regions?
http://pathmicro.med.sc.edu/lecture/hiv5.htm
Check out this one:
http://www.avert.org/safricastats.htm
From 2008:
65,646 deaths of children age 0-9
http://www.avert.org/hiv-aids-africa.htm
Again, it's well worth finding a sure-fire preventive vaccine to protect everyone, regardless of whether or not you personally think they deserve it. Eliminating HIV is good for all health care workers who come into contact with HIV carriers, and for everyone else those health care workers come into contact with, everyone who uses public restrooms (due to the infinitesimal chance of contracting HIV from hard surfaces), everyone who might be a "good samaritan" and help someone at a car accident, a slip-and-fall, work mishap, etc., and for nice folks who have a lying, cheating husband|wife|bf|gf.
The Christian Right is Neither (Christian nor right). See: Matthew 23, Matthew 25, Ezekiel 16:48-50
What? An underfunded public organisation has made this breakthrough before big pharmas?
These spanish boffins are very smart or big pharmas don't have much interest in a HIV vaccine...
heya,
Hmm, ok, so the parent was a bit sensationalist with the 100% claim, and the pseudo-moral overtones are a bit weird.
But he does have a point - practice safe sex goes a long way to cutting down on HIV.
You can talk all you want about all the other possible transmission vectors, but in the grand schema of things, they're a drop in the ocean compared to the number of cases via unsafe sex.
And look, at the end of the day, a person who screws around and does it with random people from bars is a lot likely to contract HIV (or some other STI) than somebody who stays married to the same person for 55 years and doesn't cheat. And this is a broad brush, but that sort of person is probably not likely to get random tattoos every Sunday, or engage in drugs or other risk-taking behaviour.
Like it or not, but as humans, we do reap what we so. Sure, it all boils down to percentage. But you don't do stupid things - whether it's drugs, tattoos, or jumping out of buildings or cagefighting - and chances are, your odds are less of stupid things happening to you. Of course, I'll be the first to admit that stupid things can often be fun or tempting *grins*. But meh, that's life for you.
Cheers,
Victor
If the OP had presented the argument the way you did then I would have agreed.
Unfortunately overly simplistic, uninformed opinions repeated often enough seem to become fact. I was just injecting a bit of knowledge into the hyperbole.
Some of what I say is fact, some is conjecture, the rest I'm just blowing out my ass...you guess.