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Ask Slashdot: What To Do In SW:TOR For Just 3 Days?

rodrigoandrade writes "I've been invited to participate in the beta testing program for SW:TOR. However, EA's giving out 3-day passes to most testers. A few people are receiving passes for longer periods. Mine will be from Friday 5am through Monday 12am (CST) (i.e. Sunday evening). Since it's a frakking 10GB download (almost 2GB for video alone) I'll use for only 3 days, I'd like to make the most out of it. If you're an experienced beta tester, please post some tips travel-guide style on what I should do, quests I should take, places to visit, etc. TYIA. May the Force be with you!"

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  1. Okay, I'll ask first: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    What is SW:TOR?
    (Yes, I can google it, but shouldn't it be explained in the summary?)

    1. Re:Okay, I'll ask first: by aicrules · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's something that EA is giving out 3-day passes to for beta testing. It consists of a 10GB download and contains quests.

    2. Re:Okay, I'll ask first: by Tridus · · Score: 4, Informative

      Star Wars: The Old Republic. A MMO being made by Bioware.

      At the very least they should link the acronym to a wikipedia entry or something.

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    3. Re:Okay, I'll ask first: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think it's a software implementation of Tor, as opposed to a hardware one..?

    4. Re:Okay, I'll ask first: by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

      SW:TOR

      I think it is the
      Sweaty Women:Tournament of Raspberries

      Kind of a cage death-match scenario where they have to kill each other by blowing raspberries on each other.

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    5. Re:Okay, I'll ask first: by SleazyRidr · · Score: 4, Informative

      The kind of nerd who sees TOR and thinks of a secure routing protocol, rather than some game inspired by a kids movie?

    6. Re:Okay, I'll ask first: by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      Sweaty Women:Tournament of Raspberries

      Kind of a cage death-match scenario where they have to kill each other by blowing raspberries on each other.

      I would so buy that game.

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    7. Re:Okay, I'll ask first: by IAmAMacOSXAddict · · Score: 1

      It's something that EA is giving out 3-day passes to for beta testing. It consists of a 10GB download and contains quests.

      Actually, not 10Gb, it's 30+Gb.

      For those that don't know what it is, it's the New StarWars MMO comming out on December 20th (if you preorder you get early access, and it's estimated that there may be as many as 1 Million pre orders already). It's based 3000 years before the movies, 300 years after the original SW: Knights of the Old Republic game from Bioware.

      And I'm in Full beta (not NDA breaking to say your in). and all I can say to the poster is. Pick a class and play. You'll find it's a joy to play, there is no feeling of "Grinding" like in most/all other MMOs. You'll find that your leveling without even realizing it, as the Story is everything. you'll find yourself pushing yourself forward to hear more of the story, beyond the push to get levels...

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    8. Re:Okay, I'll ask first: by Nanosphere · · Score: 1

      What is SW:TOR?

      Birth Control

    9. Re:Okay, I'll ask first: by xmorg · · Score: 1

      You are all rong!

      Its SoftWare: Tour of Rift: Rift is a MMORPG. Its a special program for 3 days you can download 10 mb rift game and right when it finished dl, after 3 days, you have to pay.

    10. Re:Okay, I'll ask first: by Reverand+Dave · · Score: 2

      More like a virginity preserver

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    11. Re:Okay, I'll ask first: by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

      Actually it should be either informative or insightful since people here are finally showing they are fed up with articles/posts made up of indecipherable shite acronyms that only their "in" crowd twats will understand. This site has a broader audience. Speak to THIS audience, not your friends. If you are using acronyms, explain what they are first. Or why bother to post to a site with a much wider scope of interests, something that many/most won't or don't understand. The mods are doing a good job on this one.

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    12. Re:Okay, I'll ask first: by ildon · · Score: 1

      Google is hard. :(

    13. Re:Okay, I'll ask first: by SmurfButcher+Bob · · Score: 1

      IT'S A TRAP!

      That's what.

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    14. Re:Okay, I'll ask first: by RoFLKOPTr · · Score: 1

      I find it funny that such posts are modded Informative or Interesting. They're joke moderations and they're about as meta you can get.

  2. No by hansamurai · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm in the full beta test, not just weekend, and unless your TOS is different, there will be no discussion here. All beta testers can admit is:
    1. The fact that the game exists
    2. The fact that you are in the beta test

    So yeah, umm... just try it out?

    1. Re:No by Nanosphere · · Score: 2

      *waves hand* You don't need to see beta information. This isn't the beta you're looking for. Go about your business. Move along.

    2. Re:No by jdpars · · Score: 1

      NDAs have stronger legal backing than ToSes.

    3. Re:No by Hatta · · Score: 3, Funny

      They should release a Star Wars version of Tor, to enable people to talk about SW:TOR.

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    4. Re:No by debrain · · Score: 2

      Sir –

      How does a signature relate to an agreement? A signature is evidence of the requisite intention to form, and execution of, a legally enforceable mutual promise, commonly known as a contract.

      Clicking a button signifies the requisite intention and execution, and is substitutable for a signature. What matters is the intention, and that there has been execution.

      With intention on both sides, and some form of execution of the terms, contracts become legally binding - by click or otherwise. This isn't exactly novel, see the 12 year old case: Rudder v. Microsoft Corp., 1999 CanLII 14923 (ON SC) (this case, and in particular the principle of adapting legal certainty to adapt to technological advances was affirmed by the Supreme Court of Canada in 2007).

      Please stop spreading the nonsense that a contract is unenforceable because it was executed by way of the click of a button. Judges don't think that, and so you shouldn't.

      Of course, there may be stray jurisdictions with different opinions – seek out and retain a lawyer for advice.

    5. Re:No by SCPRedMage · · Score: 1
      http://www.swtor.com/game-testing-agreement

      ADDENDUM A
      PERMITTED DISCLOSURES

      1. The fact that there is a Game Program.
      2. The fact that you are a member of the Game Program.

      So yeah, he's fine.

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    6. Re:No by ShakaUVM · · Score: 1

      >>Please stop spreading the nonsense that a contract is unenforceable because it was executed by way of the click of a button. Judges don't think that, and so you shouldn't.

      I've always been curious how companies know *who* clicked the button.

      Do they rely on psychics?

    7. Re:No by Issarlk · · Score: 1

      He disclosed that it's size is 10GB !

    8. Re:No by debrain · · Score: 2

      Sir –

      > I've always been curious how companies know *who* clicked the button.
      >
      > Do they rely on psychics?

      It's a great question. Usually in litigation a person being accused of violating an electronically executed EULA is asked under oath whether they did or not push the button and whether they understood that clicking on the button was agreement to some terms. The statements under oath serves as evidence, and the standard of proof is generally balance-of-probabilities (i.e. it's more likely than not).

      There are some arguments that expand agreement:
      - agency (i.e. whomever did click it was acting on behalf of the accused)
      -perfection by performance (i.e. the contract is enforceable because one used the software), and
      - equity (i.e. one benefitted by using the software or by evading the contract's terms).

      The above, along with other law, may expand the "who" beyond merely an act to the intention to enter the contract (or to avoid the terms, being a species of fraud), or to make the question of whether the terms themselves were agreed to irrelevant. Mind you, the consequences change depending on the conclusion as to what wrong has been committed (breaking the contract, avoiding entering it, benefitting from the software/service without a contract).

      There are weird "edge cases" that certainly would not result in contractual or other responsibility, but generally most people click the button and admit it or are unable to portray an honest, plausible story that exculpates them (dishonest people aren't usually the brightest).

      In any case, practically speaking these EULAs are consumer contracts that are enforceable for small amounts by threatening your credit rating (which is a nuisance to fight) or with the spectre of expensive litigation. Strong consumer protection legislation can (should) help alleviate the unfairness by way of abusing credit ratings and fear/consequences of consumer rights litigation.

    9. Re:No by Surt · · Score: 1

      Yes, don't ever click such a button, instead, make it clear that you don't agree to the contract by modifying the version of the executable that you purchased and legally own according to POS principles to not even display any such contract.

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    10. Re:No by CyberKender · · Score: 1

      Many Bothans died to bring us this information...

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    11. Re:No by bar-agent · · Score: 1

      How to do it right:

      "Yo dawg, I herd you like SW:TOR, so I put a Tor in your TOR so you can talk about TOR while you tour TOR!"

      (I should probably use more "u" and "ur", but...I can't. I just can't.)

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    12. Re:No by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      He's clearly fucked now.

    13. Re:No by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I've been in betas where you can't even say you're in beta!

      This whole closed beta thing is out of control I think. Too many players treat it as an honor and are furious when they don't get into a beta for an expansion and think that they're being insulted. And others treat beta as a treat instead of a job, so they're there to learn the tricks before other on their servers, or they're just having a good time adventuring for free. Others want notoriety, breaking NDA by posting screenshots, or after beta is over going around bragging. Also amazing are players who complain about content not being finished yet or encountering bugs, and players who keep asking if they can keep their characters when it goes live.

      A lot of betas now tend to be just marketing productions, especially open betas that anyone can join. This causes confusion when players are in closed betas or betas intended for testing instead of preview.

      I've also been in an open beta (ie, anyone allowed to show up) where the player base was so badly behaved I decided to never try the actual game when it came out.

  3. NDA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Isn't this still under an incredibly strict NDA?

    1. Re:NDA by aicrules · · Score: 5, Funny

      I cannot confirm or deny that.

    2. Re:NDA by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Mod the above "insightful".

      It's all about having fun; the article author treats those 3 days as a quest seemingly similar to "destroy as much environment as possible within 60 seconds". That's bullshit. You need to have fun in your own way and disregard the tic-tac, else it will mess up your fun factor. What else are you willing to do to get the most out of it? (sleep deprivation?)

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    3. Re:NDA by Exitar · · Score: 2

      Fun factor? In a MMORPG?
      MMORPGs are not games, they are a job!

    4. Re:NDA by war4peace · · Score: 1

      You wouldn't say...
      That's because people get all worked up about some bullshit ladders and Hall of Fames.

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  4. Play the game? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Play the game?

  5. The choice is obvious.. by blackicye · · Score: 1

    give your key to me for the 3 days, I'll figure it out for you!

    1. Re:The choice is obvious.. by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      ... or he could just punch you in the jeans.

  6. Um... by AngryDeuce · · Score: 4, Funny

    I would sit in the cantina and tell everyone how you were into Star Wars before it was cool and how Star Trek is better anwyays...

    1. Re:Um... by Dunega · · Score: 2

      I would sit in the cantina and threaten to kill people with a tray. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv5iEK-IEzw

    2. Re:Um... by jandrese · · Score: 1

      If Star Trek Online is better than this, than they're in serious trouble. Star Trek Online is crap.

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  7. Askslashvertisment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    By the way, does anyone have good tips to use the truly awesome beta of Win8? Because it's a big download, I thought i'd ask here first.

    1. Re:Askslashvertisment by kermidge · · Score: 1

      It's a developers' preview. Install as a vm, give it a couple of cores, a gig or so of memory, maybe 20gig dynamic hard drive. Have fun, explore. Unless you're a developer, waste time.

    2. Re:Askslashvertisment by silverglade00 · · Score: 1

      I suggest using that Windows 8 preview to see if SW:TOR will run correctly.

  8. WoW trade by Avatar8 · · Score: 2

    Sit in WoW trade chat spamming how SW:TOR is going to kill WoW while you wait for the EA beta servers to respond.

  9. Sell It! by tgeek · · Score: 1

    Rabid Star Wars fanbois would pay top dollar for 3 days beta (read: early) access - probably enough to buy a nice dinner out or put your kid in private school for a year - or something in between.

  10. Weep by Bieeanda · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Weep, because someone reported this article to EA and you've both lost tester privileges and received a dire nastygram (+5 vs armchair lawyers) from EA's legal department.

  11. rodrigoandrade by aicrules · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Thank you for using a name that is nearly identical to the one you used to enter the beta. You will no longer need to spend any time downloading the game as your beta pass has been revoked for reasons that should be entirely obvious to you at this point.

    1. Re:rodrigoandrade by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      See, it's this kind of attitude that gives me just tons of faith that BioWare isn't scared to death of people actually seeing this supposed great WoW-killer for any length of time (and seeing its flaws).

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    2. Re:rodrigoandrade by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 2

      The NDA explicitly permits you to disclose a) that there is a beta test, and b) that you are a part of it. So he hasn't broken the NDA.

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    3. Re:rodrigoandrade by aicrules · · Score: 1

      But what does the NDA say about disclosing the details of the NDA? HMM? jk In reality, I have nothing to do with Bioware, the beta or this game at all. Though I will be happy to hear what it is like once those details are made public.

    4. Re:rodrigoandrade by firex726 · · Score: 1

      Yea, its not like Blizzard is going to totally rework WoW before the release of SW and beat them to it.
      They are just worried people will find out it's shit and not buy it, just like how its become more common for negative reviews to be held till after release, while positive ones get to be published before.

    5. Re:rodrigoandrade by SharpFang · · Score: 3, Informative

      He gave:
      - download size (albeit wrong)
      - beta participation lengths, dates and habits concerning giving them out
      - beta access method (timed password)
      - method of participation (invited)
      - in-game task system (classic: quests)

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    6. Re:rodrigoandrade by ravenshrike · · Score: 1

      All of which, except for the timed password AFAIK, are publicly available info on the SWTOR forums themselves.

    7. Re:rodrigoandrade by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      Just a few days ago there was a story about a government agent sued for breaching state secret by posting a link to classified materials that were already posted on Wikileaks.

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    8. Re:rodrigoandrade by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Reviews should come from reviewers, not testers. Testers are there to find bugs not whine about the presence of bugs.

    9. Re:rodrigoandrade by Mordocai · · Score: 1

      To be fair, since he hasn't played it he doesn't know about the in-game task system. Therefore, he was probably using quests as a generic term and did not disclose anything with that statement. The other things may indeed be violating the NDA.

    10. Re:rodrigoandrade by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      OF course there is LOTRO and Turbine's effort with basically a free MMO and grinding or paying for turbine points. In this case are they worried that Turbine might make a play for the science fiction universe as a break from fanatsy and to target another market group. Yes, I have been playing LOTRO and found it a fairly interesting and entertaining game, for me lot's of game learning opportunities.

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    11. Re:rodrigoandrade by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      >So if you are not invited, how do you know your in the beta?

      Apply+first come first serve,
      Raffle+announcing the numbers
      Competition/quiz

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    12. Re:rodrigoandrade by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Just a few days ago there was a story about a government agent sued for breaching state secret by posting a link to classified materials that were already posted on Wikileaks.

      And if he had posted links to a publicly available web page from a public Pentagon site? Then your analogy might be relevant.

  12. waste of electrons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I can't believe this question got posted to ask slashdot. how about you BETA TEST THE GAME and figure out what you like for yourself?

  13. Well then... by iCEBaLM · · Score: 2

    There is a testing program, and I am participating in the testing program.

    That said, some of the details in the posers question are false.

  14. I would ask them why only 3 days by elrous0 · · Score: 1

    From the get-go TOR has reeked of a development clusterfuck. After failing to follow through with the massively successful KOTOR series on consoles, they come out with this PC-only MMO, followed by years of development hell (to the point where some were speculating it would be cancelled altogether). Now this supposed WoW-killer is coming out, and BioWare is suddenly pulling back on how many people will even be able to buy it, or beta it (not exactly a ringing endorsement of their confidence in their server load capacity). It doesn't help that part of the pre-order hype was that pre-ordering it would get you a chance to get into the beta (guess they forgot to mention the "for just three days" part at the press conference).

    Much as I loved KOTOR and want this game to be good, this whole thing is starting to smell less like a WoW-killer and more like the Star War Galaxies mess all over again.

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    1. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by iCEBaLM · · Score: 1

      It doesn't help that part of the pre-order hype was that pre-ordering it would get you a chance to get into the beta (guess they forgot to mention the "for just three days" part at the press conference).

      Never saw that, as part of the preorder you do get "early game access", which is a way for them to do a controlled ramp up of the playerbase so not everyone is hitting the newbie zones all at once.

      There is a testing program, and I am participating in the testing program, all I can say to you is, it's fucking Bioware dude, the game will be awesome, chill out.

    2. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      t's fucking Bioware dude, the game will be awesome,

      BioWare has never made an MMO.

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    3. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by iCEBaLM · · Score: 1

      Bioware has never made a bad game.

    4. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by Bieeanda · · Score: 1

      WoW-Killer is the single stupidest term I've seen thrown around in MMO circles since that game launched. The only thing that is going to 'kill' that game is itself-- it is a gigantic statistical anomaly in a realm where a few hundred thousand subscribers is still considered acceptable, and two or three million is healthy to excellent. There is no way that SWTOR could have pulled ten million subscribers or drawn off five or six from WoW (many MMO players will subscribe to multiple games, so it's not a zero-sum calculation) even under ideal circumstances.

    5. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Also, what do you mean they're pulling back how many people will be able to buy it? Are you making that up because pre-orders are limited

      Funny, I don't recall Blizzard ever having to do that. Sure sounds like BioWare is scared to me.

      But believe what you want.

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    6. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by muffen · · Score: 2

      Preordering was not going to give you a better chance of getting into beta, it was going to give you early access to the game, and it will still give just that.

      Not opening up for everyone on the same day at the same time might not be the dumbest of ideas, one can assume that servers will get hit pretty hard at start, don't see why this is a problem. It's fairly clear that the first weeks to month of an MMO decides its popularity, very few games have survived or come back from an initial disaster.

      Pulling back on how many people can beta it? Seems like everyone is getting beta access these days, should they maybe just open up free playing for everyone until release?

      I'm looking forward to the game anyway, and if it becomes a "star wars galaxies mess" I will happily play it, because I think that vanilla SWG is one of best MMO's ever created.

    7. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by mr_gorkajuice · · Score: 1

      Dragon Age 2

    8. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by xMrFishx · · Score: 1

      Yes but remember, EA is involved. There's a first time for everything.

    9. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by Tridus · · Score: 2

      Well, Bioware has still never made a "bad" game. Dragon Age 2 is more in the "steaming turd" category.

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    10. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by Dyinobal · · Score: 1

      steaming turds in your mind are not bad?

    11. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by idontgno · · Score: 1

      They're not games.

      Follow the logic. "Bioware has never made a bad game. If Bioware made it and it's bad, it's not a game; it's a steaming turd. Therefore, Bioware has never made a bad game. Q.E.D."

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    12. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

      There is an ongoing beta, and there are testing weekends. So, in answer to your "why only 3 days?" question, the answer is that it's not only 3 days.

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    13. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by IAmAMacOSXAddict · · Score: 1



      <quote><p>t's fucking Bioware dude, the game will be awesome,</p></quote>

      <p>BioWare has never made an MMO.</p></quote>

      Neither did Blizzard, before WoW...

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    14. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by DavidTC · · Score: 2

      No shit. And, as others have pointed out, it's not just a server thing. They might have enough servers and yet still not want every single person in the world creating their character at the same time and heading out into the same newbie zone. Just because the servers can handle 500,000 people doesn't mean they can handle 200,000 in the same room, and even if they can 'handle' it it still might be quite unusable for the players.

      And you're right, practically every single MMO I've heard of seems to have died in the first week. There's always something that didn't scale correctly.

      So trickling people into the sever is quite possibly the sanest decision I've ever heard of for an MMO.

      Plus, restricting access to a new product, if done to a small extent, increases hype for it. Restricting it too much just pisses people off, but if people can get in within a month or so, it's fine.

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    15. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by Xugumad · · Score: 2

      Do you remember when Square Enix released nothing but brilliant games?

      Seen FFXIV?

      That's their second MMO. This is Bioware's first. I'm not saying it will be terrible, but I am saying I'm not holding out a lot of hope here.

      My Bioware history is a bit wobbly, but have they even released multiplayer games before?

    16. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by ravenshrike · · Score: 1

      Aaand you're wrong. Beta participation is decidedly not based upon preorder.

    17. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by ravenshrike · · Score: 1

      Which as a game was fine. The reused areas were fucking irritating, and it should not have been a Dragon Age game, but it was a perfectly good game ignoring those two facets.

    18. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by ravenshrike · · Score: 1

      Pre-orders aren't limited. Collectors Editions are, but not pre-orders. The reason for the CE being limited is because they are only commissioning so many of the Gentle Giant statues.

    19. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Bioware has never made a true Scotsman.

    20. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by WhiteDragon · · Score: 1

      ... KOTOR series on consoles, they come out with this PC-only MMO....

      Up until reading your comment, I literally had no idea it was on consoles. I only ever knew about it on PC. I haven't played it though. I had a roommate who was hugely into PC gaming and Star Wars, so KOTOR was his idea of the perfect game.

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    21. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by Sigg10 · · Score: 1

      Too bad that Mythic has been helping Bioware with a lot of the game. Mythic's last MMO was Warhammer Online which wasn't all that great and plagued with issue from release and before that they did DAoC.

    22. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by blackicye · · Score: 1

      Additionally, if "killing" a 10 year old MMORPG is the highest goal of a new launch title, they seriously need to improve their product and strategy.

    23. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by TheJediGeek · · Score: 1

      Except it won't be the same game as original SWG. I think GP meant that it will be subject to some of the same disastrous decisions that killed SWG and not the game play. It's already a class lock-in, level based game. That already puts it closer to the NGE version of SWG than it does to the original version. I don't have high hopes for this game. After what George Lucas did to the franchise, along with how SWG was killed, Star Wars is mostly dead to me now.

    24. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by iCEBaLM · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you missed the part where I said:

      There is a testing program, and I am participating in the testing program.

      Really, just relax, take a deep breath, and think good, happy thoughts, I know I am.

  15. bugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Look for bugs. Not design bugs, but real bugs. Like spiders and report these findings.

  16. Play it by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 1

    Play it
    And have Fun!!!

  17. Where to ask by Divide+By+Zero · · Score: 3, Informative

    While you're downloading the mammoth client, ask this question in the Beta Tester forums on Bioware's SWTOR site. There, people who have been in the test for a long time can give you tips without fear of violating NDA.

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    1. Re:Where to ask by webheaded · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I really don't understand why this even got posted on Slashdot. The best place I can possibly think to go is the beta testing forums. No wonder people have trouble finding things on the internet...they go about things in completely illogical ways...like typing a domain name into Google to get there. x_x

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  18. Fight Club for nerds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So, the first rule of SW:TOR beta is... you do not talk about SW:TOR beta?

  19. - In beta by h4x0t · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Um. Play 1 class as far as they will let you.

    Report bugs in a coherent manner.

    Have fun and tell your friends if you like it.

    1. Re:- In beta by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Do the unpopular stuff too. 99.9% of the beta testers are there to be cool and do the cool stuff and have put all of that through it's paces. Probably some power leveled to see the cool end game and bypassed the low and middle level stuff as fast as possible. Don't worry about class balance or combat mechanics, the theory crafters have run all this through their spreadsheets already and declared that it is unworkable, instead see if the class is actually fun and playable. Find the class that everyone hates and does the lowest DPS and play that one because the kiddies haven't been testing anything that can't pew-pew.

  20. Not play it by ZeroSerenity · · Score: 1

    Resist the darkside...

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    For those who seek perfection there can be no rest on this side of the grave.
    1. Re:Not play it by jank1887 · · Score: 1

      better yet, don't.

    2. Re:Not play it by UziBeatle · · Score: 1

      Not a problem.
        I will not be in the queue.

        I've enjoyed many Massive Online RPGames since 2001. Oh, six or so or more come to mind.

          I might have tried this one. However.

      Soon as I saw some game play vid of wankers wacking
      away at each other with light sabres and little damage being done I realized there was no way I could enjoy the game.

          I could not remove from my mind 'the fact' that a light sabre
      in the Star War universe I know (movies) is one mean SOB weapon. About the only thing a light sabre bounces off of is another farking light sabre. LIght sabres were used to cut thru
      farking bulkheads for crying out loud. /sigh

          As silly as the movies were they firmly established in my mind
      what 'Star Wars' physics are. For the game to reduce
      such a massive weapon to a mere limp dick sword just does not
      pass the credible BS test.
          But, I suppose they had to have light sabres in the game or the wankers would not flock to the game.

        Me , I would have been satisfied with something less then a farking GOD MODE light sabre, just drop them except for use by certain NPC's or special events.
          Of course the game makers knew it would be silly to have the God Mode light sabre in the game they had to nerf them. I guess they were stuck in a 'situation' as they knew a huge wanker population wants to be pretend Jedi Knights.
          So they have to serve them. I do not like wankers.
          Oh well, I lose.

      Based on the flock of peeps going bonkers over this I'm in a tiny minority of potential players.
          So, enjoy your wanking away with light sabres.

        No, you will not find me in your lines at the Star Wars conventions either.

         

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    3. Re:Not play it by Jaruzel · · Score: 1

      As I understand it, they restricted Light Sabres to levelled up Jedis/Sith in Star Wars Galaxies and the playerbase hated it, so Galaxies tanked and died.

      I seriously doubt that ANY online Star Wars game will work, when 90% of the playerbase want to be uber Jedi/Sith from the moment they first log in. People just do not want to be scruffy nerf herders, or sail barge waiters in their favourite universe.

      This isn't just confided to Star Wars; Star Trek, Stargate, and My Little Ponyland all suffer this problem.

      -Jar

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  21. The stuff is the best by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 2

    Go do the things at the place.

    1. Re:The stuff is the best by Chakra5 · · Score: 1

      with stuff.....lots of stuff

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  22. It depends upon your server by netskink · · Score: 1

    Are you on a roleplaying server? If so run around town in your underwear and beg for money in trade chat, act like a kid and whine about your older/brother or parents, when in party talk shit about your team mates gear, while doing anything which requires cooperation make sure you do not participate. In general, spend more time chatting and less time playing. If you know a fart joke make sure everyone else knows it and 10 variants. Are you on a pvp server? If so level as fast as possible and then when you are level 10+ go to the opposing starter area and grief the newbies. Are you on a normal server? Go to town and whine about how good players are on a pvp role playing server. Roll a tank, wear dps gear and rag on your healers.

  23. Play the game by ripdajacker · · Score: 1

    Just play the game.

    Choose a class you find appealing, try to level it, complete quests etc.

    I am not a beta tester, but have tested betas before, and you're supposed to just play the game.

  24. skip it? by vlm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you're an experienced beta tester, please post some tips travel-guide style on what I should do, quests I should take, places to visit, etc. TYIA.

    Places to visit: Take the kids to the park and have a picnic, leaves are beginning to change and most of the mosquitos are dead where I live. Take (your) spouse to romantic dinner. Find a museum and look at artifacts for awhile. "Interpretive centers" mostly suck. Stay away from tourist traps in general.

    Good quests, easily accomplished in 3 days: learning everything you need to pass the entry level ham radio license in your country. Another good quest is setting up IPv6 and completing the entire hurricane electric "sage" testing program. Set up a simple, crude mythtv system for the pure fun of it. Set up an asterisk voice pbx and fool around with all the features.

    Travel guide style? Rick Steves to the rescue.

    Oh you meant a SW:TOR beta tester, not just a guy who tests software in general. Oh you meant inside SW:TOR not just a long weekend. I still say skip it, the MMORPG bubble is over and poppin' and after SW:TOR is just a memory (probably pretty soon) you'll look back and wish you did something useful that weekend. What could you go with 10 gigs of downloads that would be more fun? Well, probably almost anything else. Even 10 gigs of spam emails would be fun to data-mine or graph or analyze.

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    "Science flies us to the moon. Religion flies us into buildings." - Victor Stenger
    1. Re:skip it? by StuartHankins · · Score: 1

      +1 Insightful.

    2. Re:skip it? by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

      Just because you don't like MMORPGs doesn't mean nobody else does. Rather presumptuous of you.

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      "16MB (fuck off, MiB fascists)" - The Mighty Buzzard
    3. Re:skip it? by vlm · · Score: 1

      I like grinding with the best of them, I don't want to "invest" in a new entrant in a dying field. Therefore the "do something else".
      Same issue with downloading. Hmm, 10 gigs of a probably non-survivable game that I can only use for 3 days and probably won't even be around anymore "soon", or 10 gigs of movies, music, ebooks, warez, and pr0n that are great "forever".

      Betting on horse racing might be smart or dumb, your opinion is irrelevant (said in best 7 of 9 voice). But betting on one of the last horses out of the gate, well, that is just plain ole dumb.

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      "Science flies us to the moon. Religion flies us into buildings." - Victor Stenger
    4. Re:skip it? by vlm · · Score: 1

      -1 Pretentious.

      I will admit I was only arbitrarily thinking of "int" and "wis" when I listed some quests.

      I am willing to bet if I get "cha" quests like "one night stand" or a "str" quest like "go to gym and work out" or a "dex" quest like "play darts at the pub with your friends" you'd feel much better. If your int and wis are too low, theres perfectly good weekend quests for you too...

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      "Science flies us to the moon. Religion flies us into buildings." - Victor Stenger
    5. Re:skip it? by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

      No evidence suggests that the MMORPG genre is "dying". In fact, it's going strong. TOR will carve out its own little niche and do well.

      Besides which, even if TOR were fated to die 6 months after release, it's irrelevant. If I got 6 months of fun out of a game, I call that a success. I don't need a long term investment to enjoy a game, I play games to enjoy them now. If I also enjoy them years from now, that's simply gravy.

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  25. Answer by Virtually+Sane · · Score: 1

    Easy - don't sleep :)

  26. Kentilla by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

    Advice: If you trade the trolls your sword- you can always get it back by saying "Kentilla" - no force required.

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    "That's the way to do it" - Punch
  27. Try the bizarre stuff by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What might you do that's not within the "norms?" can you run through walls - find a way to get an unfair advantage through quirks in the programming? I'd look for things that can ruin the experience if not fixed. That's what adds value to a beta test - finding the bugs that no one thought about.

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    1. Re:Try the bizarre stuff by jandrese · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately, it's almost impossible to discover stuff like that in 3 days. It's hard to break mechanics when you barely understand how they work. That's why I hate ultra-short betas like this, it's almost impossible to give good feedback, especially since you're stuck doing the level 1 content that has been beta tested to death by the legions of other 3 days testers.

      Face it, a 3 day beta is basically just a demo in disguise.

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    2. Re:Try the bizarre stuff by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1

      What might you do that's not within the "norms?" can you run through walls - find a way to get an unfair advantage through quirks in the programming? I'd look for things that can ruin the experience if not fixed. That's what adds value to a beta test - finding the bugs that no one thought about.

      A lot of people seem to think "Beta" just means "early access." It also doesn't help when an MMO says "beta access" to members, when it fact it really is just early-access to the game like 2 weeks before release. Also, Google doesn't help matters either with how it labels its products Beta even though the regular public has been using its feature/app for years.

      My understanding, early-level play testing is like you described. I recall stories where testers would be given a list of known and obscure bugs that were a PitA to replicate and had to repeat that bit for hours and hours to say if it's done. Check every-inch of the walls of every room+hallway to see if there's a glitch/void. See if you can get the outfielder in this baseball game to run through the fence. If you and the boss hit zero-health at the same time, are you still left standing with zero-health. etc

      Meanwhile, in the MMO's the users that get access to the "beta" (aka 2 week / 1 month early access) think they're gods and that what they tested was the original code. And not simply the stress-testing that it really way.

    3. Re:Try the bizarre stuff by WombatDeath · · Score: 1

      I assumed it was some sort of combination of advertisement and stress test.

  28. Suggestion. by gallondr00nk · · Score: 2

    Hunt down and destroy the ancestors of Ja-Ja Binks.

    1. Re:Suggestion. by Sprogga · · Score: 1

      Yousa never finda them.

  29. Skip it by mr_gorkajuice · · Score: 1

    The purpose of beta testing SHOULD be to find bugs. However, since EA apparently think THEY'RE the ones doing YOU a favor by ALLOWING you to FIND BUGS for them, give them the finger.

    The fun part about an MMO (for those inclined to play MMO's) is developing your character, which is a complete waste of time when your virtual character has only 3 days to live.

  30. Thermal Detonators. by CFBMoo1 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Get as many of them as you can if they exist and run around to people setting them off. Be sure to type "Ssssssssssssssss...." in chat before it goes off and make sure you are wearing as much green as possible.

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    1. Re:Thermal Detonators. by webheaded · · Score: 1

      I wish I still had mod points. xD

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  31. uninstall it and find a good game to play by cod3r_ · · Score: 1

    maybe bf3?

    1. Re:uninstall it and find a good game to play by blackicye · · Score: 1

      maybe bf3?

      I doubt anything could possibly be worse than the Battlefield franchise.

  32. Re:Go East by TheSpoom · · Score: 1

    You have been eaten by Darth Grue.

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  33. As an experienced QA tester... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    All the showstoppers have been found already. Since we're in beta (I'm in too), directed tests are out, unless you really want to feel like one of the minimum-wage guys they force to do the same thing over and over again. If you're feeling playful, you could try to break collision detection and get out-of-bounds, try to cheat, what-have-you.

    Developers love nothing more than for you to test edge cases. If you find something rare or unusual the typical response (even internal) is "designed that way" or "working as intended." :V

    Focus on the beginning and end of actions and quests. The middle is usually tested to hell. Achievements are usually rife with bugs, so pay special attention to ones that count quests and kills, and make sure they're tracking yours.

    They're also worrying quite strongly about polish (and rightly so). If you see something that bothers you, say something! (And try to make it eloquent and to the point about why it bothers you.) Awkward animations, equipment placement on your character model (I can't tell you how many bugs I've filed over weapons and shit that clips through a model's hand in weird ways), missed, early or late sound cues, missing visual effects (just about everything you do should have one)... See what happens if you get a bunch of people together in one place and spam emotes. Used to crash WoW servers that way. In fact, one of the best things to do in beta is get together in a group and do the random shit you have planned. Testing is usually done individually or in small groups, which is why the beta is going to be big: they want stress testing like you wouldn't believe. So feel free to spam.

    Above all, document what the hell you're doing! Be detailed to the point of insanity if you feel like someone won't be able to exactly mirror your actions leading up to an issue.

  34. Re:Download by lennier1 · · Score: 1

    30 gig? Let's hope they'll release it as a Blu-ray title or people are going to be in trouble.

  35. The Road Not Taken by Jellodyne · · Score: 2

    Swing by Tosche Station and pick up some power converters.

  36. Re:Download by TouchAndGo · · Score: 1

    It says it needs 30GB during the install, it only downloads about 10.

  37. What To Do In SW:TOR For Just 3 Days: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Griefing!

  38. Well, I Reckon by Greyfox · · Score: 1

    You should run around and shoot first. A LOT.

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    I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?

  39. Ask Slashdot Fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    My understanding was that Ask Slashdot was supposed to be something that people could read and learn from, and apply to their own lives... I don't really see how a very, very limited Beta Test applies to anything important, and certainly not important enough to be the Ask Slashdot topic??

    1. Re:Ask Slashdot Fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because someone wants to be a dick and tell the world they got into a 3-day beta test for SW:TOR.

      Who cares, I've been testing it for a month now.

      What a jerk.

  40. Stormtrooper! by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    First select a Stormtrooper to play. Now run around aimlessly shooting inaccurately at things. Also despite wearing fearsome looking armor, simply die if anything even touches you, and yes that includes small rocks.

    Next select a Bothen, and go spy on something. Be sure to die in a very sad way, but somehow get the information to the rebels.

    Finally select a Wookie, find someone who wants to play freaky monster chess. Lose. Justifiably pull opponents arms off.

    If for some reason you can't select all sorts of crazy SW races, quit immediately as that would be stupid.

  41. SW:TOR by tycoex · · Score: 1

    You could just download WoW and skip the 3-day limit. SW:TOR is just WoW with a different skin anyways. It's not like they're doing anything original.

    1. Re:SW:TOR by gknoy · · Score: 1

      From what I've read, they've been working on a lot of things "original". Not in terms of base mechanics, but in terms of how comparatively deep your character's personal storyline is. They had (last I heard, which was a while ago) plans for campaigns which were effectively custom tailored to your character (class, etc).

      Some things are similar across MMOs. Kill boars, collect nerf herder scruffs, etc. Do dungeons/missions/raids/battlegrounds/whatever for $REWARD (xp, gold, credits, honor points). The difference is in how they execute a coherent world vision. At the superficial level, EVE and WOW are very similar, but anyone who's played them can tell you that the two are radically different. I expect the same for SW:TOR. Some things will be the same, because it's an MMO, and therefore wants to reward subscribers with persistent and steadily increasing shinies. The things most of us nerds are excited about is that it's about being a jedi or a bounty hunter, rather than a paladin or a warlock or space pod pirate.

  42. Re:Time to hand in you Nerd card by md65536 · · Score: 1

    Time to hand in your girlfriend and get your Nerd card back so that you can know what all the acronyms mean including "any of those games" that you don't play.

  43. Read a book by bryan1945 · · Score: 1

    n/c

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  44. Jellodyne FTW! by Radical+Moderate · · Score: 1

    Made me lol

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  45. NDA...! by mlauzon · · Score: 1

    OP, you're asking people who may have Beta tested the game to break the NDA they agreed to, that's a no no. I was in a testing weekend in mid-August -- I am also set to test this weekend as well -- but am I going to tell you a thing, nope!

  46. Re:Definately this! by Stargoat · · Score: 1

    Way way too far down in the comment section. A proper troll has to be timely and witty. You fail both of these requirements.

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