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Is the Maker Movement Making It Cool For Kids To Be Nerds?
blackbearnh writes "For many adults into technology, childhood was an alienating experience, pigeon-holed as a nerd and relegated to the A/V, Computer or Gaming club in high school. But according to a Christian Science Monitor article that looks at young Makers, the next generation of tech geeks are social and are gaining increasing support from corporate America. Radio Shack is stocking Arduinos, Autodesk bought Instructables, and teens are flocking to local Hackerspaces to learn how to create their own gear. Wired GeekDad David Giancaspro thinks the desire to create things is natural. 'As we've moved further and further away from that, towards what people call "knowledge work," as opposed to producing something physical, that urge is starting to come back,' he says."
understanding tech is still nerdy
"True happiness comes from the joy of deeds well done, the zest of creating things new." -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
While I am a card carrying nerd, my experience was you're only pigeonholed if you let yourself be. While I really wash't any good at sports, I stuck it out riding the bench for 4 years in high school and earned a varsity letter as a result. I had friends who were jocks as well as nerds. It's all about persistency and determination as silent Cal said.
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Sorry, won't ever happen. It seems like nerds who grow up to be in the media still project their common teenage fantasy that suddenly the world turns upside down and all the nerds are cool. Hint: the guy hunched over his phone/calculator or whatever and writing programs on it is still and always will be a nerd. But like most of us he's having a good time and doesn't give a shit what label you assign him.
Also I'd love shove the guy who keeps pushing the term "Maker" in a locker.
At some point you have to stop looking for external validation of your personal preferences. "Coolness" doesn't have to be democratic.
There's no -1 for "I don't get it."
I haven't been in a RSin years. I'll have to check out if they have any Arduinos.
Society decided that nerds were cool, then decided to actually make those nerdy activities cool. They did so by making it more sociable (e.g. hackerspaces) and more socially responsible (e.g. fablabs). These are good things because it means that people are actually playing with technology, sharing the fruits of their labour, and broadening their understanding in many aspects of life.
The old fashioned nerd still exists, but I'm confident that you'll find that they are still outcasts. After all, people find it easier to relate to people who can relate to people than to people who relate to machines.
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The whole summary (For many adults into technology, childhood was an alienating experience, pigeon-holed as a nerd and relegated to the A/V, Computer or Gaming club in high school) strikes me as a cliché plot for some random American movie.
I was into science and a fan of computers from a very early age. I was teaching other kids how to use them in the period between the 4th and 6th grade. Yet, I was a very social kid, played outside most of the time with my friends and was never labeled a nerd or a geek.
In all honesty I never experienced this, kids into science and tech were not labeled as nerds, it were the kids playing inside during breaks with magic cards that were.
It's the combination of interests that makes society stop and point out 'nerds' or 'geeks'.
I think instructables was always like that? so many ads and popups too.
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Perhaps people discovering that not everyone can be stereotyped away is making being a "maker" cool. But I am sure the high-school mentality of popular media will fight against us teaching kids they can be whatever they want and have whatever interestes they want.
You are a nerd.
You are a jock.
Certainly nerds are not allowed to like sports, and jocks are not allowed to be engineers.
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Making something accessible doesn't necessarily make it cool.
Radio shack stocking arduinos doesn't mean much. Does them caring it make it more accessible, I would beg to differ. I personally think Amazon dose make things more accessible
Christian Science Monitor is actually a very good newspaper. Although it was founded by the Church of Christ, Scientist, it is not a religious newspaper and its coverage is actually a lot more diligent than a lot of what gets called "reporting" these days.
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Why behave like a nerd (or a member of any other subculture) and then hope that the culture at large acknowledges and appreciates it? This seems backwards and very self-focused.
Why not give up the subculture behaviors and identification instead? You don't need to give up building things, or tinkering, or being interested in computers, or math, or anything else. Why shouldn't "nerds" try to reach out and understand the rest of the world? And, if you won't, don't expect people to ever think you're "cool".
If you don't respect them, they won't respect you. Nor should they.
This goes for other subcultures too. Be a helpful and good part of society if you want society to treat you well.
Isn't the nature of "coolness" such that other people want to be associated with you in order to raise their social standing?
The "cooler" you are, the more people who want to be associated with you. And the fewer people who can raise your social standing by you associating with them.
I can agree with that. But it's not the same as being "cool".
The folks who enjoy making your lives a Hellmouth don't fucking know the Maker Movement exists.
Seek wealth and power, then outsource their jobs and leave them destitute. Living well is the best revenge, but society has made the effort to deserve sociopaths. No reason not to become one.
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Yeah, I had to do a double take the first few times I saw that. It still seems weird that it is a legitimate paper, but sometimes we get a pleasant surprise, and the CSM is one of those.
It's about time. I was a nerd in the 60s and suffered some of the predictable ignominies. Now I feel sorry for my peers who have been passed by technology. Unable fully to comprehend what has happened, they are frightened about the future and their place in it.
The internet was a better place before the masses, enough said.
Have gnu, will travel.
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1) IME, kids who would be 'nerds' tend to be nerds anyways. It's something that they just can't help.
2) Kids who would not be nerds will pretty much not be nerds. Either they don't have the interest, intelligence, or what. But they'll get into other things instead (not that this is bad, it's just the facts).
2) Kids who are on the fence might be brought in by Make or similar, but this percentage is going to be incredibly low.
3) Right now it is INCREDIBLY COOL to be a 'nerd' or a 'geek'. However, this definition doesn't apply to the kids in #1. The 'new' nerds or geeks aren't really nerds or geeks, just those from #2 that have found a way to apply that label to themselves so that they can do whatever they wanted to do in the first place. I'm talking the cosplay/anime types who play video games as opposed to writing them, buy Macbooks instead of building a computer themselves, and get into Rock Band instead of learning to play a real instrument. There will unfortunately be little to no talk about science, computers, scifi, Make Magazine or any of the hallmark stuff that anyone GenX or older would think of when you say "nerd" or "geek". The terms have completely new meanings.
There are many examples, but y'all get the gist.
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childhood was an alienating experience, pigeon-holed as a nerd
If you were a *real* nerd, you wouldn't have cared.
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Agreed. You would expect it to be either childishly patronizing or entirely biased, but it's actually quite good.
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And never will be. Nerds are unbalanced and socially inept.
You can be smart, tech savvy and geeky as shit and still be cool. Nerds can not be, by definition.
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerd
Nerd is a term that refers to an intelligent but single-minded person obsessed with a nonsocial hobby or pursuit.[1] Nerds are generally considered to be awkward, shy and/or unattractive by most.[2] Thus, a nerd is often excluded from physical activity and considered a loner by others, or will tend to associate with a small group of like-minded people.
Slashdot used to be news for nerds, now it seems its turned into news for douche bags that'd like to think they are nerds but don't seem to be intelligent enough to know the definition of the word.
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No, you wouldn't expect that. Well you wouldn't if you weren't so biased yourself.
You're both commenting as if religion means ignorant idiots who believe in magic, the reality of it is, there is absolutely no conflict between religion and science, the Christian Science Monitor was created to show how science doesn't rule out the existence of a higher power and it does so using science and facts themselves. I know you're confused now and think I'm a total nut job religious zealot, but thats simply because you're a zealot yourself.
All of the parents of this post just show exactly how ignorant each of you are. You think anyone who is religious is an idiot. Unfortunately for you, you've got it backwards. Its bigots such as yourselves that are idiots. Once you learn to accept that science requires you to disprove something, and start using logic, you'll have a lot less difficulty dealing with religion in a sane rational manner.
The way you are now, you're just as ignorant and stupid as religious zealots who really DO think the Earth is 6000 years old and other silly bullshit. I find it ironic that people who seem to think of themselves as educated and scientific are the ones least able to make objective assessments of things in the world rather than subjective ones. You guys are just ignorant hypocrites.
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Oh...not that Maker Movement? Huh.
Who's the suiter© trying to make-up cool=nerdy=cool urban lingo? Try not to laugh when he says Makers 'spread their wings'...lulz.
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See above.
the Christian Science Monitor was created to show how science doesn't rule out the existence of a higher power
Actually, it was not created for this purpose. It's a newspaper. It covers science, just like the New York Times does, but its mission as a newspaper has very little to do with science or "the existence of a higher power," but with reporting the news. If you're curious, you might want to find out something about its history. From its own Web page:
The Christian Science church doesn’t publish news to propagate denominational doctrine; it provides news purely as a public service. Here’s why: If the basic theology of that church says that what reaches and affects thought shapes experience, it follows that a newspaper would have significant impact on the lives of those who read it.
News with the motive “to injure no man, but to bless all mankind” cannot but help improve society and individual lives. The idea is that the unblemished truth is freeing (as a fundamental human right); with it, citizens can make informed decisions and take intelligent action, for themselves and for society.
The Monitor was founded more than 100 years ago, in an era when "fair, unbiased journalism" was virtually an alien concept in the United States, around the heyday of what came to be called "yellow journalism." The tabloid papers of the time were filled with slanders, misreporting and outright lies. In that business climate, the idea that a church would start a fair and accurate newspaper seemed natural -- because who else would embark on such a fool's errand, when it would put them in competition with men like Pullitzer and Hearst? Those two made Fox News look like pikers. The Monitor stepped in to provide the public with news -- real news -- not as an opportunity to preach, but in the same spirit that many churches feed the poor.
As for the rest of your childish, ignorant rant, may I kindly suggest that you slow your roll.
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I bought it when it came out, then cancelled once they turned into a hand-wavy version of Popular Mechanics.
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I wonder what it says about me when I immediately think of Dune when I hear the word "maker"
What is that, some kind of religion where they worship Shai-Hulud ?
Not at all. Christians can be entirely reasonable, as can Christian periodicals. But a data source called the "Christian Science Monitor" one would expect, given the role that religion plays in debates over science in America, to be creationist anti-cloning anti-abortion and generally not to give an unbiased voice to issues. Add to that the level of ignorance generally displayed (to be fair, often by necessity due to their business models) by most popular periodicals and there is no reason to expect them to be good or fair.
Also, you lack a basis to call me just an ignorant hypocrite. You don't know whether I criticize myself or for what, nor my level of knowledge about any issue, nor do you know whether I am an ignorant hypocrite and also a hypointelligent shade of the color blue.
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I'm sure being a geek is cool for Silicon Valley kids, but here in the midwest nothing's cooler than football. Videogames seem to be real popular with kids these days, but in my book that doesn't make them 'geeks' in the sense this article is talking about. Playing 8 billion hours of Call of Duty doesn't teach one science. In fact, it doesn't teach anything.
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It used to be that it was more common for people to DIY. In the dark old days, the men fixed their wagons (literally) and women sewed their own clothing.
The "maker movement" is just a regression to the norm. The excursion into mass market consumerism was several generations, so we've forgotten.
Also, by defintion you can't be a nerd if everybody does it; but that topic is covered above.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
buy Macbooks instead of building a computer themselves
I agree with most of what you've said (or at least, I don't really disagree), but who builds their own laptop? Really, 'building' your own computer doesn't have much geek value anyway. It essentially amounts to round peg, round hole. To me, it's more geeky if you're doing it for ideological reasons (avoiding the Microsoft tax/Apple and installing Linux) than if you do it for the hardware's sake. Any moron can buy computer parts and slap them together - I've known plenty. In my book, you get way more geek cred for knowing how to use OS X's terminal and set it up as a server than being able to build a Windows box.
Where I do agree with you is that there probably isn't some huge nerd culture arising. It's probably just non-nerd adults seeing their kids do things like Facebook on their Macbook, play Rock Band, and watch anime and they just think "man, my kid's a nerd - and all his friends are nerds too - must be the new cool thing."
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From another post:
Also I'd love to shove the guy who keeps pushing the term "Maker" in a locker.
Agreed. The "Maker movement" is a product of O'Reilly Media, Inc, the people who run overpriced tech conventions. They run the various Maker Faire shows and Make magazine. They seem to be trying to own the do-it-yourself industry. The original article reads like a Maker Faire ad. I've shown at one Maker Faire, and will not do so again. You're unpaid entertainment for a flea market.
Autodesk has a straightforward motivation - they sell pro tools for designing real world stuff, and the more people who know how to use those tools, the more they can sell. They're trying to get kids and amateurs to think like design engineers.
Their big effort in this area is Autodesk 123D, which is a free subset of Autodesk Inventor with a simpler interface. It connects to laser cutters and 3D printers, so you can fabricate the parts you design. It's a useful intro to 3D design, and a way to teach kids the mindset needed to design something with working parts. (That's harder than learning to use the software.)
With more computing power than I had as a kid to blink a LED, then yes, this slashervisment is for you!
In my book you get more geek cred for knowing how to download a MacOS X torrent and install it on a hackintosh you built yourself. But why would you waste time making an OS X box into a server? The vanilla BSD OSes are far superior.
I have a Macbook White (2009 - NVIDIA) and get some nerd cred....
then again my desktop is a homebuilt Core2 hackintosh with a serial VT420 as a second console. It also acts as a Disk emulator/fileserver/printserver for my Atari 8-bit (a 600XL) w/ 512K RAM expansion, S-Video port and IDE interface. Even have a 6502 assembler cross-compilation environment up and running in Eclipse.
Machine has several serial ports via a 4-port FTDI USB->serial box and I use them. The fact that it uses the FreeBSD userland for the most part makes things nice as well.
It also runs Logic well and typically has a MIDI controller and my Fender Mustang V digital tube modeling amp head plugged in via USB.
Some of us like OSX because we like UNIX -and- good commercial audio and graphics software. Native MS Office is nice too. Running OSX does NOT make you a nerd "poser". It means the spoiled, overpriveleged rich kids you know who begged daddy for a macbook pro are posers. It's a great highly hackable platform evolved from NeXTstep/OpenStep. It's UI-layer is much cooler than X11 as well. And it can run X11 apps nicely.... even comes with an X server that integrates into the native windowing system complete with 3D support.
The underpinnings aren't perfect but IMHO OSX is the ultimate desktop UNIX with good support from both commercial and open source developers. Unfortunately success commercially comes with the fact that idiots will want one too. I'm not sure I want "The Year of the Linux Desktop" because then Linux will start to suck more and more because everyone will demand a full-featured OS -AND- want it to be operable by a 2-yr-old with cerebral palsy without having to learn anything. Look at Metro. Look at Android. Look at Unity. For REAL users, all 3 are like handcuffs.
Well, it really does depend how far you want to go in defining religion. If you mean that a religion is simply and merely a belief in a higher being (theism), then sure, science and religion are compatible. If you mean that religion is a complex set of doctrines and social and moral rules that may or may not be orthagonal to the belief in a higher being, then you may run into some incompatibilities.
I think this kids' parents will soon face a mass lawsuit of some kind for a bogus patent on "making things on your own - with a computer" and have the choice of paying the college fund to an Intellectual Ventures-like patent troll or be processed at the cost of the all the family have and only them they'll understand that their country is so rotten.
If USA can't understand they are going to destroy themselves, better do it fast, so it can't spread too much to the rest of the world. Time for big corporations push the M.A.D. (Mutually Assured Destruction) patent war so we can all watch the decline of science and innovation on USA (and soon EU) for the bad of the world. When you are spending more very hard earned money on lawyers instead of R&D, something is so twisted that is almost beyond repair.
What a destiny to an once admired country for its freedom, incentive to creativity and innovation. Now you can't even create a web site without stepping on 1-click-like patents.
On the the Halloween theme, R.I.P. USA.
Have any of those cool new fasionable nerd-wannabees actually invented something ingeniously useful?
"I love my job, but I hate talking to people like you" (Freddie Mercury)
Cosplayers have to make their own costumes (or if they haven't, it's obvious and they will be looked down on by their compatriots). It's a much more authenticated geekhood than reading some scifi/scientific american/computer instruction manuals.
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Some say that the new Makers are so cool that hip chicks like Andraste are even into them, and say that they want to marry them. Of course, Andraste's hubby is not going to be so happy about this and it will surely end badly for someone.
Is the Maker Movement Making [I]it Cool [F]for Kids [T]to [B]be Nerds?
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The bigger question is why the need to typecast people into groups. This is a unique American phenomenon, where kids replicate racist structures from society into a cast system that doesn't quite exist in any other country in the world.
I mean, in every school in the world there are popular girls, sports types, ethnic groups, studious people, alternative people, but they generally mingle and can be seen partaking in various activities. Sure a goth is likelier to hang out with another goth, but you can still talk to them.
Not in the American system, where groups are segregated and mingling is frown upon by all sides.
I only vaguely remember that time, but IIRC according to Norbert's Rules of Adolescence, being a "nerd" pretty much precludes being "cool" and vice versa.
So if the kids at makerspace are cool, then they are not nerds.
I have always felt this same cognitive dissonance with regard to "comic book stores". I think that comic books were only truly "nerdy" when you had to buy them from the newsstand/drugstore in front of "normal people".
IMHO, it ain't nerdy unless it's embarrassing.
Let's examine smartphones (or PDA-phones, as we used to call them). The moron hordes started pouring into the market when the iPhone came out. At that time I was using a phone which not only came with HTTP download, Copy & paste, transport-agnostic multi-platform syncing, a system search app, and some primitive multitasking, but would allow me to compile and run apps right on that phone.
The company that made my old phone promptly went belly-up. The last fully open smartphone, from a dying company, went out of production earlier this year. Now all you can buy is a closed toy phone or an "open" phone (please ignore locked bootloader).
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
In the dark old days, the men fixed their wagons (literally) and women sewed their own clothing.
In the dark old days, they didn't have state-backed DRM to keep people from making things. Nowadays, we have computing appliances that won't run anything without the cryptographic digital signature of the appliance's manufacturer. This has been the norm in video gaming since 1985 with the NES lockout chip, and some pundits are even predicting a "post-PC era" where this becomes the norm even for "work" computing.
We have a short period every decade where its cool to be Geek and rich. Then it fades back into mediocrity. Doesnt bother me. I've survived multiple cycles of this.
Well I have no idea what the "Maker Movement" but the conversations on this topic are pretty awesome anyway. And I consider myself a geek, so...
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I'm pretty sure you don't really know what a nerd is.
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Nerds are the one who do not shelf their curiosity in a dusty cabinet somewhere.
I think you ean that nerds are the one who do not shelf their curiosity about a specific area of human activity in a dusty cabinet somewhere while labelling all other areas irrelevant or stupid.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
Admitting you don't know something is admirable. Not knowing can be remedied. It is a lot better than pretending you know something when you don't.
Being actually proud of not knowing something is unfathomable to me. Nobody goes around boasting they can't read, or don't know how to use flush toilets. I don't know whether to pity them or despise them or both.
Pride in ignorance is part of the basis of anti-intellectualism and the backlash against science. There's a feeling of insecurity that comes from confronting the fact that other people know a lot more more than you do about how the world works, and a knee-jerk reaction to dismiss such people as elitists, or claim that the products of generations of research are worth no more than the knowledge and beliefs they possess. Some people can't tolerate the feeling of being inferior to someone else (and I can relate to that, personally) and respond by trying to boost themselves up while dragging others down.
The process of boosting themselves up often doesn't involve real self-improvement, rather just an assertion that they are good enough already. Hence, pride in ignorance.
Bow-ties are cool.
The internet was a better place before the masses, enough said.
Generally, but it's much easier to get pr0n now, so it's not all bad.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
Money is always attractive
Other things being equal, it doesn't hurt, but that's all. Once it gets to the stage of buying friends/lovers or whatever, your life is meaningless anyway.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
What you seem to miss is that the Roman Catholic Church (which is what you are referring to...) was not against stem cell research. They were against the immorality of using fetuses for the research. The RCC still considers abortion to be equivalent to murder, which if you think about it, it pretty much is. So being against it on moral grounds isn't much different than being against the production of a Frankenstein monster as it involves the usage of parts of dead people.
Historically, the Church was the main source of education, and scientific progress. Sometimes what science found wasn't compatible with dogma (Galileo), but the modern church has apologized for the ignorance that led to many of these conflicts.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Are we confusing Christian Science with Scientology? If not, I worked for 3 years in the newsroom of the Monitor, and Christian Scientists are among the least proselytizing, most laid back folks I ever ran into.
Ham radio operators - the original geeks of the 20th century - had to make a LOT of their gear back in the day and some still do. We were "makers" of model rockets back in the 70s and now I have a kid, I am again. Agree that this is a new label on old wine.
If all you want is a blinking LED with minimum power consumption or external parts count, the simplest solution was the LM3909, from National Semiconductor. The only external component needed for the simplest applications was a single capacitor (value sets the flash rate), and the thing could flash a single red LED for a year or more from a single AA battery.
Unfortunately, the powers that be at National decided to discontinue it several years ago.
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There is NOTHING "home built" about plugging in modules to a motherboard. If you don't understand the components, and just plug crap in, you don't really KNOW a thing about the hardware. People think they have a grasp of what a computer IS, based solely on buying sub assemblies marketed as "components", and concentrating on the firmware and software exclusively. These are not what we called "geeks" in the 80's. We got out the solder and actually BUILT things. What you end up with is smug people that know very little, that think of themselves as "geeks", redefine what a "geek" is, based on the inevitable dumbing-down of rampant consumerism and proprietary butt kissing and brand loyality. This wouldn't normally be much of a problem, except that you don't actually "know" anything about your hardware, as you wonder why jobs migrate overseas and why Americans simply can not compete.
My point was the Atari 8-bit sitting next to it with hand-made upgrade PCB's soldered in which I still bash out 6502 asm on once in a while. Read carefully, it's a 600XL that came with 16KB of RAM and no monitor port. It now has 512K of bankswitched XRAM and 64K base. These machines had no suitable sockets for a RAM upgrade. Apparently YOU know nothing of 80's-style hackery. It also has an S-Video jack instead of just RF out now. It has an onboard Atari SIO->USB interface that I built.
And until you can point me to a MODERN machine that comes in KIT form, your analogy is purely nostalgic and dumb. And I do MAKE and CREATE things, I even have surface mount soldering equipment and a reflow oven. BUILDING implies pre-fabricated components so therefore my machine qualifies as homebuilt. If I had said "homebrew" or "homemade" you may have an argument but I think you're just out to prove what an arrogant little douche you are and play armchair badass. Also made most of the cables used to connect the various devices.
By your logic, your little Sinclair ZX-81 kit made you a pussy because REAL MEN use wirewrap and TTL to build processors. I doubt your old enough to ever remember the S100-bus CP/M boxes like the Altair, Cromemco, etc.
I know plenty about my hardware that runs OSX as well and had to go through great lengths to get most of it to actually function. Editing lots of XML property lists, chasing down what chipset is used in what component and actually hand-patching drivers in some cases.
OSX takes a LOT of effort to get running well on a PC, but the end result is worth it. In fact, it takes much more knowledge than most of you admin kiddie posers possess about low level intricacies of PCI, EFI and the underpinnings of OSX.
Until I see examples of your assembler code across 3 different architectures I'm calling bullshit on your wannabe-greybeard stance. I can produce several barring NDA issues.
My job isn't migrating overseas. I make about 40k working 2-4 hours a day on an as-I-feel-like-doing-something basis. I compete just fine. And I don't even have to step foot in a cubicle farm.
For the record I TAUGHT the knowledge you claim I don't have in a college setting. You sir, are an idiot who's jumped the gun.
Christian Science Monitor is actually a very good newspaper. Although it was founded by the Church of Christ, Scientist, it is not a religious newspaper and its coverage is actually a lot more diligent than a lot of what gets called "reporting" these days.
They should change the name then. Christian Scientists are even more fucking deluded than normal god botherers, and I wouldn't be seen dead reading (for instance) the Catholic Herald.
If they are nothing to do with Christian Science, why keep the name?
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
You're both commenting as if religion means ignorant idiots who believe in magic
That's exactly what religion means.. What else do you call belief in a being who moves outside the laws of physics?
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
Well, it really does depend how far you want to go in defining religion. If you mean that a religion is simply and merely a belief in a higher being (theism), then sure, science and religion are compatible. If you mean that religion is a complex set of doctrines and social and moral rules that may or may not be orthagonal to the belief in a higher being, then you may run into some incompatibilities.
No, if you seriously believe that a higher being created the universe and is somehow watching over mankind, that is not compatible with a belief in science and rational, testable explanations of reality.
If you choose to limit your theism to some being starting the Big Bang and then retiring from the universe, that is unprovable and essentially as meaningless as saying that a pink unicorn created the world by blowing fairy kisses at a snowflake.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
Nice, verbose, and circumventive, rant. Not surprisingly, you've missed the point, and made a projective series of assumptions about my skill level, and experience, which, not surprisingly, is laughably off the mark. Somehow I doubt you represent your own experience level anywhere near accurately, or else you would hardly be as defensive and childish in responding to a post that doesn't even apply to someone with your description of your fictitious experience level.
Answer: No.
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Lots of posts in this thread aren't getting what Nerd means. It does NOT mean smart or expert. It means smart and expert to/with the exclusion of social skills. If you're grandpa was a gear head, he was a gear head, not a car nerd. To be a car nerd would be either that he chose to learn about cars instead of girls and friends (beyond other nerds).
Geekdom is something else.
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Can we PLEASE let the question headline meme die the painful death it deserves?
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I, like many readers, was part of the "geek" crew growing up.... I do not know what it was.. I was learning html when I was 12 years old(Back in the days of 14.4k and Prodigy/CompuServe) I was going to book fairs to buy college chemistry books to learn from at the age of 14... Very strange... But honest to God, I am glad it happened. I am now a successful 26 year old, with a very promising career. I look back at all the "popular" kids in high school, and they are 40-60 pounds heavier and have 3+ kids...... HAWT!!!!!!! #KarmasaBITCH GO GEEKS! BUILD, HACK, CONQUER!!!
THAT is why I will never use an iPhone or anything else Apple produces. A culture that celebrates ignorance is contemptible. A person who wears technical incompetence like a medal of honour is a moron.
My dad is hopeless with computers, but he's an artist with an arc welder. When I was a young man it was obvious to me that he was quietly disappointed with my incompetence at welding. I wasn't proud of it; I practised till I was merely not very good. Years later, I see dad feeling incompetent with his computer and I tell him "Forgive me if I sometimes sound exasperated. I'm sure you feel the same way watching me butcher a welding job."
You can't be good at everything, but a lack of skill is never commendable.
It was that way between me and my father with math. He was also always better with computers than me as well. So yeah, I was a continuous source of exasperation.
The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
There's a feeling of insecurity that comes from confronting the fact that other people know a lot more more than you do about how the world works
Yep. And the proper geek reaction to that is to perceive said individuals as a. worthy of knowing and b. having useful knowledge or ideas that should be absorbed.
That is how to look at someone who maintains knowledge or skills that are outside or beyond your own. Fear and derision are the province of truly tiny minds, regardless of their native intelligence. The sad thing is, most people are capable of a lot more than that for which they give themselves credit.
The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.