Airport Security: Thermal Lie-Detectors, Cloned Sniffer Dogs

PolygamousRanchKid writes with this quote from CNN about the future of airport security: "Earlier this year, the International Air Transport Association demonstrated its vision for the 'checkpoint of the future' — a series of neon-lit tunnels, each equipped with an array of eye-scanners, x-ray machines, and metal and liquid detectors. ... 'Known Travelers,' (those who have completed background checks with government authorities) for instance, will cruise through the light blue security corridor with little more than an ID check, while those guided through the yellow 'Enhanced' corridor will be subjected to an array of iris scans and sensitive contraband detectors. ... Feeling guilty? Got something to hide? A team of UK-based researchers claim to have developed a thermal lie-detection camera that can automatically spot a burning conscience. ... Professor Byeong-chun Lee, who established his reputation in 2005 as the driving force behind the world's first ever dog clone, has bought a new breed of super-sniffers to South Korea's Incheon Airport. They may look like an ordinary pack of golden Labrador Retrievers, but these dogs are all genetically identical to 'Chase,' a dog whose legendary snout kept him top of Incheon's drug-detection rankings right up until his retirement in 2007."

Comments

Oh, god...

[Anonymous Coward]

Please don't give the TSA any ideas!

Re:Oh, god...

[durrr]

Looks too efficient for TSA, their dream is a luggage shredder instead of a x-ray scanner, and a wipeout style obstacle course(that you have to run naked, with live streams to the public internet filming it all) with blaring sirens and powertripping functionaries with bullwhips lining the course to drive the herds onwards.
Contracted at a cost of $12 billions, annually.

Re:Oh, god...

[PolygamousRanchKid]

Oh, they have their own plans; FTFA:

In the United States, the Transport Security Administration (TSA) is not just relying on fancy gadgets and genetically enhanced nostrils to improve security: it's turning to good old-fashioned human instinct.

Behavioural Detection Officers (BDOs) have been trained to engage passengers in casual conversation in an effort to weed out suspicious behavior.

There is no word if the TSA plans to clone BDOs, like Korean Sniffer Dogs . . .

Re:Oh, god...

[jhoegl]

They didnt mention it, but that is exactly what the "red corridor" will consist of.

Re:Oh, god...

[jhoegl]

Cloning is illegal in the USA.

Re:Oh, god...

[Merls the Sneaky]

Human cloning is banned. Expect the new batch of cloned TSA agents in approximately fifteen years.

Re:Oh, god...

[GarryFre]

I predict a sudden rise in incidents of hysterical blindness.

Re:Oh, god...

[ColdWetDog]

Human cloning is banned. Expect the new batch of cloned TSA agents in approximately fifteen years.

Well, the obvious solution to this is to hybridize a TSA agent with the super nosed Labrador Retriever clone. You get the perfect employee - works for treats and an occasional pat on the head, can sniff out anything from marijuana to C4, lives about 10 years so no long term Social Security / Medicare costs and is one hell of a lot cuter than the vast majority of current TSA agents.

What's not to like?

Re:Oh, god...

[phorm]

What's not to like?

Crotch sniffing?

Re:Oh, god...

[sco08y]

Looks too efficient for TSA, their dream is a luggage shredder instead of a x-ray scanner, and a wipeout style obstacle course(that you have to run naked, with live streams to the public internet filming it all) with blaring sirens and powertripping functionaries with bullwhips lining the course to drive the herds onwards.

Contracted at a cost of $12 billions, annually.

Nah, you're confusing management and the rank and file. Your typical TSO's fantasy looks more like this:

On Monday Bob gets a promotion, with a brand new uniform with a designer jacket, cooler boots and shades, and just loaded with ribbons and medals and bangles and crap, and of course there are all kinds of speeches and celebration. Then Tuesday and Wednesday Bob does some security training which would, naturally, include a reflexive fire course, advanced driver's course, and a computer hacking course. Bob arrives at the airport for work Thursday, and spends the morning talking to his friends, and walking around dispensing wisdom and guidance to the clueless herds. He arrives at a terminal and checks bags for a few minutes, until some suspicious individual just doesn't look right... All the machines pass him, but Bob has a gut feeling that this individual is suspicious, and then he notices a bulge and says, "Sir... I just need... to check that bag one more time." Naturally, the suspicious individual knows he's caught, tries to run for it, and Bob takes him out with a few well-placed kung fu moves. The rest of Thursday is spent with Bob assisting a joint federal taskforce in taking down the terrorist organization he's just uncovered.

And, of course, Bob doesn't work Fridays.

Please share

[abuelos84]

What in god's name are this people smoking??
A "guilty feeling" detector? wtf?
I want a little of that grass, please...

Re:Please share

[hedwards]

An excellent way to justify singling out Chinese tourists if ever I saw one.

Re:Please share

[Joce640k]

Just being herded through that bright yellow tunnel would freak me out enough to set off all the alarms in the building.

Re:Please share

[GarryFre]

They're paranoid! Are you sure you want that kind of grass?

When flying while feeling guilty is outlawed

[Anonymous Coward]

then only sociopath will fly.

Re:When flying while feeling guilty is outlawed

[dgatwood]

Or, put another way, except for most terrorists. After all, if they had even a modicum of guilt, they wouldn't commit such atrocities. Therefore, without even looking at this technology, we can fairly definitively state that it cannot possibly be effective at preventing terrorist attacks of any sort.

That won't stop the TSA from spending billions of dollars to buy them and install them in airports across the country, though, and this is why our government is going broke. Want to shave of 8.1 billion dollars of ugly pork barrel spending? Dismantle the TSA.

Re:When flying while feeling guilty is outlawed

[meerling]

I'll put that right there with my perpetual motion machine. Sure you can detect ir, and lying for some people may cause a discernable alteration, but I'd bet it's nothing compared to the standard variations of the vast sea of inherited characteristics of humanity, combined with the multiple and growing stress factors involved in airport 'security' these days. At best that system could probably only give a highly trained examiner in laboratory conditions a 2 or 3% improvement over random chance at detecting lies, and we all know that TSA personnel don't even qualify as moderately trained in this stuff.

Wonder how it would work on my family, considering my wife and daughters temperatures are about 2 full degrees higher than mine. And to be honest, I don't react well to being grilled by anyone. My daughter on the other hand is a little nuclear meltdown on her own that loves telling made up stories to everyone about anything. She seems to consider being questioned nothing but an opportunity to spin tales based on whatever questions she's asked. You should try asking her where she left her shoes sometime. So far she hasn't claimed ninjas were involved, she tends to save those for events involving presents rather than missing clothes.

Great

[betterunixthanunix]

Go ahead, put this in the airports, see if I care. Bring that crap near my beloved train stations, and we will have a problem.

Re:Great

[jon_doh2.0]

So, you're that person in the US taking the train? Don't you know that is reminiscent of European style socialism, you unpatriotic individual, you.

Re:Unfortunately...

[couchslug]

Been done!

http://www.thegreatilluminator.com/blog/?p=7234

"...guided through the 'Enhanced' corridor..."

[John Hasler]

Herded, you mean. Why do you people continue to put up with this crap? And don't try to tell me it's only in the USA. Europe was doing intrusive "screening" long before the USA started: we used to be criticised by Europeans for having "lax security" because we allowed people to get on airplanes without first proving that they were not armed criminals.

Re:"...guided through the 'Enhanced' corridor..."

[hedwards]

Because when even many liberals don't see what's wrong with it those of us that do end up with no representation. I'm going to be flying again in a couple months and I'm going to take a plane out of Canada because I'm not interested in putting up with that unconstitutional crap.

Re:"...guided through the 'Enhanced' corridor..."

[betterunixthanunix]

Which liberals would you be referring to? The majority of politicians in the United States are conservatives, with varying degrees of conservatism. Long before the TSA, so-called "liberals" in the United States government so no problem with our prison population or the enormous power that the law enforcement agencies in this country have amassed. You already have no representation -- when will you start voting third party or perhaps running your own campaign?

Re:"...guided through the 'Enhanced' corridor..."

[Anonymus]

Have you traveled outside the US?

European airports don't do any of this shit, and in fact just banned the x-ray machines. And yet, they could still probably criticize American airports for "lax security" because all of this is just security theater and does fuck all to actually secure the flight.

Re:"...guided through the 'Enhanced' corridor..."

[sweatyboatman]

don't blame me i voted for kodos

Re:"...guided through the 'Enhanced' corridor..."

[Anonymus]

I should say "didn't do any of this shit before American flights started requiring all incoming flights to do it" because there is a lot of crap one has to go through now. My local airport just has a separate terminal specifically for American and Israeli flights so they can keep the bullshit to a minimum for passengers flying to less paranoid destinations.

Re:"...guided through the 'Enhanced' corridor..."

[Anonymous Coward]

those of us that do end up with no representation

You live in a democracy[1]. Run for office. Represent yourself.

[1]: Yes yes, representative democratic republic.

Re:"...guided through the 'Enhanced' corridor..."

[jo42]

The majority of politicians in the United States are conservatives

When did being a 'conservative' become equivalent to a head-up-yer arse fascist?

Re:"...guided through the 'Enhanced' corridor..."

[John Hasler]

> Which liberals would you be referring to?

Most of those I know. They kvetch about abuses but they can't see that the entire program is fundamentally wrong.

> You already have no representation...

I am, unfortunately, in a very small minority. Whlle many (though still a minority) dislike TSA and friends they don't seem to consider it important enough to have much effect on their votes or their behavior. They also would never, ever vote for a Republican and so the Republicans write them off while the Democrats take them for granted. Meanwhile, the supporters of the "war on terror" make it clear that being sound on security is critical for their support. Thus I have as much representation as does any menber of a small fringe minority. That's democracy (and yes, we do have democracy here. It just isn't the magic potion you want to believe it is).

> ...when will you start voting third party...

I've been voting third party (and writing-in when possible) for more than forty years. Most of the third parties are full of kooks, though.

Re:"...guided through the 'Enhanced' corridor..."

[zyzko]

Herded, you mean. Why do you people continue to put up with this crap? And don't try to tell me it's only in the USA. Europe was doing intrusive "screening" long before the USA started: we used to be criticised by Europeans for having "lax security" because we allowed people to get on airplanes without first proving that they were not armed criminals.

Europe has its own problems, to simplify things (hey, isn't that what discussing on Internet is for?) historically it has been that in Europe, you have passports, are required to have a social security number and uniquely identified and once you are cleared you are free to travel. See the Schengen treaty. This of course involves all kinds of nasty stuff of information exchange between authorities but it has been quite non-intrusive - if you have a passport from Schengen country and are not on Interpol/Europol list you have quite a clear passage. Same has been true for "outsiders" entering EU - once you are in and cleared a few basic database checks you are ok to travel without difficulty.

Then enter 9/11 and the security hysteria. Now we have the worst of both worlds - the USA is demanding passanger information from EU (in addition to which it has collected before, plus fingerprinting and photographs) and EU has to implement the intrusive technical measures; visit Schipol, Amsterdam for an example, the nudescanners and extra checks are only for USA-bound flights because USA requires them.

So - we now have the pat-this, register that, screen-your-shoes of USA (where "serial numbering" of people has been and is a great big scary no-no) and the data collecting tradition of Europe (bio-passports, RFID:s, possibility to abuse on global travel databases) combined. If you ask me this is a) a huge money sink and b) a disaster waiting to happen.

Large databases of people ("proving you are not armed criminal") is problematic, yes. Can it be abused, yes. Is it foolproof, no way. Does it prevent cross-border crime (remember, Europe is not as tight union as the USA yet and there are internal treaties inside- and outside EU states), yes, somewhat, and it has to be done, and USA is doing exactly the same but you just have dozens of different data sources because "GUID for people" is scary shit. Combine these approaches and watch the mess boiling...

Re:"...guided through the 'Enhanced' corridor..."

[ProfanityHead]

When did being a 'conservative' become equivalent to a head-up-yer arse fascist?

1980. Ronald Reagan became president.

Canine intelligence

[Commontwist]

Cloning dogs is interesting but just wait until selective breeding makes them smart enough to use bark-to-speech devices.

"Woof." *Cocaine.*
"Grrr..." *Explosives.*
"Bark bark bark! Whine, whine, whine." *Milkbone!!!*

About time!

[nullpoint3r]

Finally I will safe at an airport!

Re:About time!

[Threni]

At airport prices you will not safe very much.

Misleading Summary

[mutherhacker]

The summary is completely misleading.

According to TFA, thermal-lie detection, the dog clone, the bluetooth passenger tracking and the behavioral detection officers are in no way linked to IATA's vision of the checkpoint of the future. They are just independent developments in transport security but nonetheless irrelevant to IATA.

For everybody's reference IATA is owned and funded by private airline companies. They are not government funded in any way IATA's website

"Known traveller" lines?

[gatkinso]

What a load of crap.

Anyone with a security clearance should be ashamed to use such a line for a multitude of reasons. Keep it real, and stand in line with those you are charged with protecting.

Re:"Known traveller" lines?

[mr100percent]

Agreed, it's a matter of time before someone's ID gets swiped and the imposter gets waved through with contraband. Of course, the TSA will deny it's their fault for such a gaping hole and try prosecuting the poor sap whose ID got stolen.

Heck, with such a system I'm sure the terrorists will target TSA employees to steal their ID.

Re:"Known traveller" lines?

[blindseer]

because you can't screen everyone

If they cannot screen everyone then the screening is meaningless. Security only works if every threat is stopped. Think of it this way, would you buy an oven mitt that said on the label it will keep your hand from getting burned 90% of the time?

Re:"Known traveller" lines?

[rtb61]

Yeah just put your money where your mouth is and charter a flight. The TSA is just for the nobodies the poor and the soon to be ex-middle class, getting you used to your new lifestyle where random strip searches for you and your family are the norm. Where even giving a dirty look to your betters, the rich and greedy, will earn you and your family extended discomfort and humiliation, with repeated strip searches and body probes in your own home.

Perhaps no one has noticed the glaring difference between public flights of the nobodies and private flights of the rich and greedy. You schmucks don't even realise how hot the water is becoming or how close to boiling it really is or how far the whole TSA bullshit thing has crossed the line.

Re:"Known traveller" lines?

[kvezach]

Screening is already meaningless. Anyone who knows Bayes' theorem can figure that one out. The prescreening is simply a consequence of the security organizations finding out that they do have to respect reality to some extent: people won't put up with it otherwise.

Paranoia for Profiteering

[failedlogic]

If I didn't know any better, it seems like the media (still) buys into this idea of intense paranoia it is being sold to by government and private industry. It reminds people that there might be a terrorist on their plane. If there's no security the plane will blow up and you'll die. If there's 1000x more security, no terrorist, but the plane might still crash. Or, I'm willing to bet, 99.999999999% of the time you'll land safe and sound.

This whole article sounds to me like profiteering.

will cruise through the light blue security corridor with little more than an ID check, while those guided through the yellow 'Enhanced' corridor will be subjected to an array of iris scans and sensitive contraband detectors. ... Feeling guilty? Got something to hide? A team of UK-based researchers claim to have developed a thermal lie-detection camera

"the world's first ever dog clone, has bought a new breed of super-sniffers"

Hmmmm.... there;s 3 new growth industries right there. Iris scan, dector, the camera. These enchanced corridors will be built by some government contractor on a no-bid contract. Training these new dogs - the DEA and company will ask for budget increases.

I don't live in the US. If you guys ever implement this, I'm staying out of the US. I'm not going to fly to a country where I have to board an American plane and go through DHS inspection.

If our food, our homes and our cars were to go through this much scrutiny - are the airplanes REALLY checked very often? - then we'd be a lot safer. This is BS and everyone here knows it.

these ppl should be sent to alaska mining complex.

[Mr_Nitro]

I think this perfectly show the current level of society and human thinking in modern media hype driven society. Bottom low. To blow up a bunch of persons it just take a bunch of persons... no plane, no train... no anything. Wake up... 'terrorists' will just laugh at our self-inflicted useless and sick expensive 'measures' ...And rich pigs with hands into 'security' business and such bullshit will just get richer.... When too much will be too much...I hope it won't be too late as well.

Know what'll make airports REALLY safe for me?

[fyngyrz]

I'm simply not going to them any more. Society has turned them into a manifestation of cowardice and the very worst possible kind of decision-making. I won't support the industry any longer, at least insofar as I have a choice (I'm referring here to the use of my taxes, something out of my control.)

I feel bad for those of you who must fly, I really do. All the jokes we used to make about the nazi's and the soviets and "papers, please", have come home to roost.

I wonder how much longer we'll be free to drive without being subjected to this kind of thing?

Re:Know what'll make airports REALLY safe for me?

[El Torico]

It's even worse than the "papers, please" that we all know and fear. The TSA goons don't even know what they are looking at. I told one at Dulles Airport that my Common Access Card was in my wallet so I wasn't going to just hand my wallet over to him. He just gave me a blank stare for a second and then said, "What do you mean you won't give me your wallet?"
I pulled out my CAC and explained what it was to him and why I just couldn't hand it over. In order to get through the checkpoint, I gave him my wallet and CAC after demanding that another TSA agent observe him while he had it. Yes, it's wasn't a win over the TSA, but at least two of those bureaucrats know what a Common Access Card is now.

Re:Know what'll make airports REALLY safe for me?

[Anonymous Coward]

Why did you have to give them your wallet?

Re:Know what'll make airports REALLY safe for me?

[durrr]

Because they work for the goverment

Re:Know what'll make airports REALLY safe for me?

[El Torico]

Basically, that's it. The TSA guy never provided any reference to any law or regulation; he just repeated himself until I agreed. At least the other TSA guy watched the first one.

Re:Know what'll make airports REALLY safe for me?

[Plugh]

...or, you could fight against the tyranny. Thousands of are are... and we're winning

Re:Know what'll make airports REALLY safe for me?

[jftitan]

I cant wait for the first government worker security clearance/pay-grade fights begin at these checkpoints.

    See what happens when someone who works in another form of government gets harassed or someone they are with gets the treatment by TSA. "I've got a GS something something security clearance, I fucking have a paygrade 10x what you make you Fucking TSA overpaid rental cop!" When a TSA supervisor arrives, the same pissed off government employee takes the next TSA agent to task because they are STILL lower level government paid autobots.

    This is where i have a very strange irk when I see US servicemen in uniform AND with badges in sight, get the same treatment as common passengers. About a year ago, even Airline Pilots had to go through the same TSA treatment. Yet the way we handle these things its like we need to create a law that stops this. Versus realizing, this never existed in the first place until this agency was formed. The problems we have today are much like problems we have had since the dawn of time, yet we have to make some form of government agency to make sure the newly created rules apply.

Re:Know what'll make airports REALLY safe for me?

[El Torico]

I certainly hope not. It's the first time that I've had to give them my wallet at any airport.

Re:Know what'll make airports REALLY safe for me?

[Anonymous Coward]

Shut the fuck up, TSA shill.

Trusted traveler ID check

[Beryllium Sphere(tm)]

Does anyone think the black market cost of a stolen, forged, or corruptly issued trusted traveler ID will be outside the budget of a terrorist group?

Re:Trusted traveler ID check

[HBI]

They don't care since it's all theater anyway. Why else have all the visible paraphernalia? Obscure security mechanisms, ala casinos, would be more effective if one wanted actual security.

The intent was to convince people to fly again after 9/11. So they made it as in your face as possible. The people didn't come back in the numbers which flew before, so they've been tweaking the process since then, both to increase usage and to combat new scares like shoe bombers and underwear bombers. They're lost. They don't know how to fix the problem and continue to make it worse.

They will never give up until forced to.

Putting neon on the security theater.

[The Archon V2.0]

"International Air Transport Association demonstrated its vision for the 'checkpoint of the future' â" a series of neon-lit tunnels, each equipped with an array of eye-scanners, x-ray machines, and metal and liquid detectors."

Bomb in the lineup before you get to the neon tunnel.

"Feeling guilty? Got something to hide? A team of UK-based researchers claim to have developed a thermal lie-detection camera that can automatically spot a burning conscience."

Guilty? Hell no, I'm going to be going to Heaven as a beloved martyr in about five minutes!

Checkpoint my ass

[Mister Liberty]

So the terrorists will just divert to, what -- football stadiums, railway bridges, turnpikes.
Are there any, btw. -- terrorists I mean.
Or is this meant to control the population at large maybe.
Just asking.

Re:Checkpoint my ass

[meerling]

Targets are easy, and there is no viable way to protect them all. Anyone who's played a lot of the in depth strategy games would know that. For example, this last black friday would make a fantastic terrorist targeting opportunity. I can't see that kind of 'security' garbage being implemented at every major store/sale in the country, can you. Of course, you could also target a public pool during a hot summer, that'll get a couple hundred people easy.
For that matter, why wait till conditions are good, make your own. If you're in a big city, use facebook, twitter, and other things to set up a really huge flashmob, right to your pre-arranged and boobytrapped killingfield. Heck, you could even post the film to youtube for extra awefulness.

You can bet the terrorists have thought of all of these and many other far more devious things. Although it's true that you need to think of things like this to be able to combat it, the problem is there are too many possibilities to cope with. Security needs to be of the soft variety the quietly watches out for abnormal activities. Hard security needs to be placed at infrastructure critical points, and sorry, but civilian passenger flight terminals is NOT one of them. Sure people get crowded in there, but it's not really a lot of people, and there have always been easier targets with a higher 'yield' to terrorists. Attacking a plane or airport tends to be done when there are other concerns involved, otherwise it's a waste of resources. (Not that all terrorists are good at any of that stuff, but enough are.)

The TSA needs to learn/employ real security and lay off the techno-woogie and ball-fondling, but then again, nobody said the TSA was smarter than the terrorists.

Re:Checkpoint my ass

[joe_frisch]

"checkpoint my ass" is where I'm afraid TSA security will go next..........

Seriously though, I don't think this is a power grab. More likely its just bureaucracy gone mad. TSA will be blamed if there are ANY terrorist incidents on aircraft so they have an incentive to do everything they can think of. In addition, the more money they spend, the larger their bureaucracy grows, and the more important its members feel, so by Parkinson's law they will tend to grow.

Re:Checkpoint my ass

[Lucractius]

You imply the TSA make decisions.

From what i can tell from the view of someone outside the USA who despite so many reasons to come visit... is utterly appalled at how i will be treated crossing the border. The TSA dont seem to make any decisions. It seems to all be set by the moronic higher ups in your government.

Ass clenching walk

[Luckyo]

So, if this is a new, "functional" lie detector, can it be fooled in the similar ways as polygraph, by clenching one's ass? I can already see all the stiff-looking people marching through the checkpoint, and suddenly relaxing when relevant part of check starts.

(Reality is, polygraph and other lie detectors work only as well as the person operating them measures against one being interrogated).

Save us John Connor

[Anonymous Coward]

If they co-opt the dogs, who will sniff out the Terminators?

Trust Me.

[Anonymous Coward]

Despite my uncontrollable flushing, you should not misconstrue my seething rage at your intrusive accusatory system as a lie. I truly hate it! I truly hate you for being a part of it!

probulator

[khipu]

Oh, they should just install the probulator. At least you'll be treated with dignity.

Government intrusion

[Kohath]

Wow, that government intrusion sounds horrible. Why can't the government just focus on making my health care decisions for me and deciding how much of my income I'll be allowed to keep?

Right path

[xenobyte]

There should be three paths, one for trusted, verified passengers (green), one for people that's 'probably' trusted (orange) and one for everybody else (red).

The green path requires only a simple ID check and a standard metal scanner (portal type). If it beeps a manual scan is conducted with a wand, just like in the pre-9/11 days. Most ordinary civilized people qualify for this.

The orange path has the above plus an enhanced ID check (like green but slower). People with certain backgrounds fits here.

The red path has everything - metal scanners, xray-scanners, body scanners, grope search, plus a very thorough ID check. Any non-professional contact with any form of extremists voids your access upfront. If you are turned away here, you will be removed from the airport right away.

Oh, and these checks are just after check-in, not at the gate or similar.

Yes, this means that certain people cannot travel by air under any circumstances. That is as it should be.

Re:Right path

[0111 1110]

Yes, this means that certain people cannot travel by air under any circumstances. That is as it should be.

Just as long as you are willing to be one of those people.

Re:Islam is the excuse (and reason) for all of thi

[CohibaVancouver]

Why are there millions of muslims in previously all white countries?

Because white people have greatly reduced the number of babies they have..

thermal lie detectors

[Nyder]

The thermal-imaging camera captures variations in facial temperature in response to questioning. "When someone is making something up on the spot, brain activity usually changes and you can detect this through the thermal camera," said professor Hassan Ugail, who leads the research.

Dang, i guess the "bad" people will have to just work out stories ahead of time, so they always have an answer ready.

Spin profiteering for the benefit of liberty?

[jago25_98]

Is there anything we can do to turn this around?

We know security is driven by profits, can we have liberties driven by profits?

For example, laptops are allowed on planes for business people. What can we learn from this?
I think we can learn that people with the cash will be able to bypass all the security clearing. Certainly we can already do this by private chartering a plane. Perhaps we can look into lowering the cash needing to do so, so that eventually only the very poor have to undergo various scans.

So, laptop computers, were they originally banned? If so how did business go about influencing having them back? That's the process we need to know more about; corrupting the corruptors.

It a compromise but better to have a plan B than nothing.

Just Wondering..

[SuperCharlie]

Is there in fact a point here people cant be scared into voluntary submission of their freedoms? I am beginning to think the answer is no.