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Rare Earth Magnets Pose Threat To Children

Hugh Pickens writes writes "Many of today's toys contain rare-earth magnets which are much more powerful than the magnets of yesteryear and the magnets pose a serious threat to children when more than one is ingested because as the magnets attract one another they can cause a range of serious injuries, including holes through internal organs, blood poisoning and death (PDF). Braden Eberle, 4, swallowed two tiny magnets from his older brother's construction kit on two successive days last spring and his mother's first reaction was that the magnet would pass through her son's system without a problem. "People swallow pennies of the same size every day," said Jill Eberle. "They're smaller than an eraser." But next morning, with Braden still in pain, the family's doctor told them to go straight to the emergency room where an X-ray revealed two magnets were stuck together. "They were attracted to each other with the wall of each segment they were in stuck together," said Dr. Sanjeev Dutta, the pediatric surgeon at Good Samaritan Hospital who would operate on Braden later that day. "Because they were so powerful, the wall of the intestine was getting squeezed, squeezed, squeezed, and then it just necrosed, or kind of rotted away, and created a hole between the two." The US Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) says at least 33 children have been injured from ingesting magnets (PDF) with a 20 month-old dying, and at least 19 other children requiring surgery."

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  1. In toys? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Huh? They're putting rare-earth magnets in toys?

    The bozo that thought that was a good idea has obviously never actually used a neodymium magnet...

    1. Re:In toys? by schroedingers_hat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or how about teaching your kids that you have to be careful with some things, or actually supervising them?

    2. Re:In toys? by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 1

      In toys? They are the toy.

      Magnet set

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    3. Re:In toys? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      If I were to rob my child of the sheer joy of treating every object he comes into contact with as delicious, delicious candy, then what kind of parent would I be? Americans love to stuff things into our lard-holes. That's what makes us Americans, dammit!

    4. Re:In toys? by Ferzerp · · Score: 1

      From the link: "For adults only. - These are so super strong, they should be kept away from children."

    5. Re:In toys? by DrgnDancer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There is a certain assumption that when you give a child an age appropriate *toy* you can let the child play with the toy without direct supervision. If a parent's job is to literally watch every single thing their child does from playing with their toys to watching their Dora the Explorer videos, when precisely can said parent be expect to cook, eat, poop, or drive? I'm all for parental responsibility, and yes there are many times when a parent should be supervising a child; but really there have to be some activities that at least require a more passive form of supervision or nothing will ever get done. Surely playing with the child's own toys should be one of those times?

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    6. Re:In toys? by TheLink · · Score: 5, Informative

      I believe chilli or chilli oil when used judiciously can teach children not to put just anything into their mouths, and to obey their parents when told to not put stuff in their mouths.

      The "effective dose" of chilli is quite low compared to the toxic/harmful dose, so it's quite safe for such things. The kid might cry a lot, but after that they'll be more likely to believe dad or mom when they say "No!".

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    7. Re:In toys? by Anonymus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It doesn't matter how good of a teacher you are, your two-year old will still stick toys in his mouth.

      It doesn't matter how observant a parent you are, there will still be moments where you look away.

    8. Re:In toys? by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm all for parental responsibility, and yes there are many times when a parent should be supervising a child; but really there have to be some activities that at least require a more passive form of supervision or nothing will ever get done. Surely playing with the child's own toys should be one of those times?

      From the summary, "Braden Eberle, 4, swallowed two tiny magnets from his older brother's construction kit on two successive days last spring and his mother's first reaction was that the magnet would pass through her son's system without a problem. "

      I certainly agree with you that passive supervision should be all that is required when a child is playing with their own age appropriate toys, in a "baby-proofed area". But if you plan on only passive supervision then you also have the responsibility to make sure the child does not have access to non-age appropriate items as well. In this case the child got a hold of his older brothers toys, on two separate occasions I might add. As a good parent you should also be reasonably versed on what is and isn't safe to eat. My daughter is 8 years old and I've known for longer than that, that there is a danger in swallowing powerful magnets.

    9. Re:In toys? by houghi · · Score: 1

      It depends on the age of the kid and how much it learned by doing stupid things already.

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    10. Re:In toys? by schwinn8 · · Score: 1

      Your statement makes it sounds like they are crazy dangerous or something. I have used plenty of medium-sized rare earth magnets (for our industrial application, bending accelerated ion beams). While they can snap together dangerously, the smaller versions are hardly dangerous in any way. Fact is any magnets can stick together in the body and cause this kind of damage. Instead of blaming the magnets, why not stop the kids from eating things like this? As kids, my brother and I never ate anything small, and we played with Legos (not Duplo) and screws and bolts all the time. I guess I don't understand the need to put things in my mouth like that... but if your kid needs to do that, then as a parent, you need to notice is and prevent it... and not just for magnets.

    11. Re:In toys? by pclminion · · Score: 1

      Honestly, I believe the putting-things-mouth thing is a myth, because I've never seen any kid older than a year actually do that, my kids and all their friends included. It's certainly not a built-in behavior once they are out of baby stage. I have noticed that cliques of parents tend to all see the same behaviors in their children. Amongst my clique, mouthing objects doesn't happen. To me, it's pretty strong evidence that the behavior is enabled by the parents somehow. Seriously, who lets a kid capable of speaking words to walk around like an idiot with non-food items in his mouth?

    12. Re:In toys? by NFN_NLN · · Score: 4, Funny

      I believe chilli or chilli oil when used judiciously can teach children not to put just anything into their mouths, and to obey their parents when told to not put stuff in their mouths.

      Does that work for Thai children too, or does it have the opposite effect?

    13. Re:In toys? by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      The sad thing is that while you are completely correct, and your actions could save lives and reduce injury, there is a large portion of the population that would think you were committing human rights violations. You could even end up in jail over it. We are on a definite path of outlawing being a parent.

    14. Re:In toys? by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Children are not born liking spicy food. I don't know about the Thais, but I doubt most parents would wean their babies on spicy food. By the time children start to actually like spicy food (by gradually eating more of what the adults eat - children like to copy what adults do), they'd have grown out of putting just anything in their mouths :).

      Neither are children born liking temperature-hot food and drinks - if something feels hot to your fingers it's too hot for children's mouths and it's actually not that good for your mouth and throat. Most adults are just used to consuming such heat-hot foods and drinks.

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    15. Re:In toys? by kurzweilfreak · · Score: 1
      Wtf?! What "human right" is being violated by teaching your kids not to stick things in their mouths in an uncomfortable, slightly painful way? The right not to cry?

      I'm not disagreeing with you, just wondering who the fuck comes up with these absurd "rights" all the time. It's just a simple fact that young kids don't understand the reason and logic behind why they shouldn't do something, but they certainly do instinctively understand "Hey, when I do that, I get smacked/spanked/something else that hurts. Maybe I shouldn't do that because I don't like getting spanked." I don't even have to spank my son anymore, just the threat of it alone is enough. Fuck people without kids or parents who say "don't spank your child, that's abuse!". They're the assholes with the kids at restaurants screaming their heads off or running around stores like decapitated chickens and throwing seizure-like tantrums on the cereal aisle.

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    16. Re:In toys? by Xenna · · Score: 1

      There's actually quite a difference between kids in this respect. My oldest rarely put things in his mouth and had stopped doing that when he was about 1yo. The youngest always put everything in his mouth and is just starting to slow down a bit at two.

    17. Re:In toys? by syousef · · Score: 1

      I believe chilli or chilli oil when used judiciously can teach children not to put just anything into their mouths, and to obey their parents when told to not put stuff in their mouths..

      Wouldn't do a thing for my 1 1/2 year old daughter. She begs for and steals my chilli chicken. It's only a little hot, but using hotter and hotter chilli to keep your kid from swallowing things has it's own dangers, especially if the family has allergies. Best to teach them not to do it by expressing your displeasure. She is still young enough that ends up in her cot.

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    18. Re:In toys? by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 2

      but they certainly do instinctively understand

      Not always. Some of them may even try to retaliate in other ways.

      They're the assholes with the kids at restaurants screaming their heads off or running around stores like decapitated chickens and throwing seizure-like tantrums on the cereal aisle.

      I'm sure they would do that if you hit them, too (perhaps not all of them). Because I've seen it happen. They just screamed even more. But that's just a generalization, anyway.

      In any case, hitting someone isn't my preferred method of getting someone to listen to me. I wouldn't hit someone who disagreed with me, and I wouldn't hit a kid whose situation was effectively the same (the difference being that they supposedly can't understand).

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    19. Re:In toys? by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or how about teaching your kids that you have to be careful with some things, or actually supervising them?

      One of these tends to preclude the other. Kids need a certain amount of unsupervised, unstructured play. They need to break things they care about. They need to hurt themselves. They need to be nipped by a dog, burn their fingers, bang their head, and fall over... a lot. A small percentage of them will be seriously hurt, even killed, because of that. But if you reduce the percentage of serious harm too low, you also reduce the development of the child, causing a different kind of harm.

      (There's apparently a saying in Norway, "a childhood without a broken arm is a wasted childhood.")

      The answer to "Kid got hurt" isn't "Hey Parents, stop being so lazy and watch your fucking kids", the answer is, 'Yeah, that happens."

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    20. Re:In toys? by GNious · · Score: 1

      Children are not born liking spicy food. I don't know about the Thais, but I doubt most parents would wean their babies on spicy food.

      In Mexico, I was presented with candy containing capsaicin, and told this was given to even small kids.
      Now, not sure when kids stop putting random stuff in their mouth (ours never really had that habit), but possible there is an overlap between the time they do that, and is given candy.

      As to what is correct parenting, no idea - only got 2 kids, still pretty sure I'm more-or-less clueless on the matter.

    21. Re:In toys? by dimeglio · · Score: 1

      On average more than 3 children are killed by automobiles each day in the USA. Let's not get distracted away from efforts to make automobiles safer.

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    22. Re:In toys? by rev0lt · · Score: 1

      My daughter is almost 3 years old and never was one of those kids that put stuff in their mouth. I've seen kids the same age that would literally lick everything, so I guess it depends more of the kid itself than the parenting skills. And you are absolutely right, there's no way parents can watch their kids everytime, and some kids are really prone to this kind of events.

    23. Re:In toys? by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 1

      But if you plan on only passive supervision then you also have the responsibility to make sure the child does not have access to non-age appropriate items as well.

      Easier said than done. Humans, even small ones, are remarkably clever and difficult to monitor intensely on an ongoing basis. As a parent who has raised two children to adult age, I know how difficult this is. And I don't think that a child sneaking into his older brother's room is as easily preventable as you seem to think.

      As a good parent you should also be reasonably versed on what is and isn't safe to eat.

      Most AlNiCo magnets and their ferrous cousins are relatively safe and will pass through the system with little or no complications. Rare earth magnets are relatively new and many adult's exposure to them and their knowledge of their dangers are limited.

      My daughter is 8 years old and I've known for longer than that, that there is a danger in swallowing powerful magnets.

      You are not everyone. Being on Slashdot, you have been exposed to stories about strong rare earth magnets. You may have even played with them. Believe it or not, most people haven't. Unless you believe parents become omniscient at the birth of their children, you can't (and won't) know of every danger in their environment.

      More irritating to me, I detect a fairly scolding tone in your voice, desperately wanting to blame the parents for this occurance. Having raised my children I know how limited my control over their environment was. Because of this, I'm able to cut other parents some slack - you should, too. I'll even go out on a limb and say that the only reason that your daughter hasn't had unsupervised play with her older sibling's toys is that she doesn't have one. From your statements, she obviously doesn't have friends whom she visits where she comes into contact with things you have no knowledge of, either (after all, you make sure that you personally inspect every nook and cranny of every place she goes). I don't know, maybe you keep her in a dog collar and leash. That would be great for her development. Sorry for being harsh, but you shouldn't be such an ass.

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    24. Re:In toys? by crossmr · · Score: 2

      37

    25. Re:In toys? by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately this is the internet and it's very hard to tell what "tone" someone is using in their written text. But frankly I'd rather have the tone of a post misconstrued than to make the assumptions that you seem to have of me, let alone to resort to name calling.

      Sometimes accidents like this happen and it's no ones fault. What I am sick of is all of the government regulation that seems to be there so that kids cannot ever get hurt. If you look at what goes on today you'd think it's practically a miracle that previous generations made it to adulthood. If we keep removing everything from the market every time a freak accident occurs, eventually our children will end up living in a 0 g rubber room. This is what truly pisses me off. I have no idea how the parents of these kids must feel, and I hope that I never do. My heart truly goes out to them.

      My wife and I were considerably older than all of our friends were when we became parents, so I'm sure I was an over protective parent initially. And only having one certainly makes a difference. Most of our friend kids have graduated high school, or college by now. Fortunately early on I came to the realization that my daughter was fearless due to never really getting hurt. So my wife and I let her do things that would scrape her knee, or other minor cuts and scrapes. We also explained dangerous things to her early on, so she has always come to us when she finds something she does not know about. Sorry no inspections or leashes. But thanks for the additional insults about my parenting skills.

    26. Re:In toys? by adolf · · Score: 1

      For those who don't know, such a product is available in a convenient spray-on form. It's good for keeping pests out of your garden, good for spicing up dinner, and (I'd guess) good for keeping kids from eating things they should not be eating.

      (I use a similar concoction to keep my stupid, deaf cat from eating wires.)

    27. Re:In toys? by Jstlook · · Score: 1

      Who was the idiot that thought that this was a news story?

      They've been putting magnets in toys since they found magnets. Cool stuff is interesting, and interesting things are usually toys until there's a decent application for them.

      Also, parents have been over-reacting to reality ever since reality existed. Reality can be dangerous, and dangerous things are usually worth over-reacting about until there's enough research to make it useful to people.

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    28. Re:In toys? by Burning1 · · Score: 2

      Because the process of learning to be careful with some things takes time... Eventually your kids learn not to eat stuff like magnets, but it doesn't happen right away.While I'm all for kids learning through cuts, and bruises, and burns, I'd rather not have to take a kid to the hospital for something that they really can't be expected to understand.

      Also, there's supervising a kid, and then there's locking a kid up in a padded room. Even if you keep an eye on a kid, you can't always protect them from every kind of trouble - and preventing a young child from swallowing small stuff falls into the 'near impossible' end of parenting skills - best you can do is make sure that there isn't anything seriously harmful around the kid, and not every parent in the world understands the danger of magnets. Stories like this help get the word out.

      It's funny that there's a bit of a sadness on slashdot about the fact that kids aren't allowed to have fun with cool chemicals, wood burning kits, big jungle jims, and rusty fences... And then we turn around and see posts from people who probably aren't parents complaining that we aren't doing enough to keep our kids safe.

    29. Re:In toys? by chrismcb · · Score: 1

      Seriously, who lets a kid capable of speaking words to walk around like an idiot with non-food items in his mouth?

      The kids don't walk around with non-food items in his mouth (much). They sit there and eat them. This behavior is definitely more common with very young kids (like you said less than a year) But I know I ate some strange things till I was probably 5 or 6.

      Teething kids stick things in their mouth, because it makes their gums feel good. And of course kids see parents stick all kinds of non food items in their mouth (some look like small white pens)

    30. Re:In toys? by Erikderzweite · · Score: 1

      Putting things in their mouth is more like a reflex, that's how small children learn about things they encounter. Depends on the child of course, but looking at something, touching it and tasting it are natural ways for a small child to learn about new object.

  2. Rare Earth Magnets by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 5, Funny

    So, ask for them to be done medium?

  3. Parents by MitchDev · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Parents paying attention to their kids is the cure, not banning magnets...

    1. Re:Parents by Haedrian · · Score: 4, Informative

      You can't keep your eye on your kids all the time. Especially if they're in a 'safe' area playing with age appropriate toys.

    2. Re:Parents by Shinobi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No matter how much you watch kids, they will ALWAYS find that split second they need to put something in their mouth.

    3. Re:Parents by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      While this is true seriously as a parent....what kind of dumbass leaves magnets where a 4 YEAR OLD can get them? Now obviously this wasn't the brightest bulb in the box, at 4 my boys knew that non-food items didn't belong in the mouth but still, not very damned smart. With my boys I would have probably worried more about one drawing on the TV with it, or maybe using it to stick his brother's shirt (with his brother still in it) to the fridge, which is why I didn't leave the rare earth magnets i'd yank out of dead drives lying around.

      Now if this is some company that pulled a "Johnny Switchblade" (and points if you are old enough to know what I'm referencing there) and labeled a toy for the wrong age? i'm right there with you. there is only so many hours in the day and sometimes all a parent can do is read the label and hope its right, but ultimately nobody knows what is age appropriate for your kids but YOU. I've known kids that if they got a hold of a screwdriver at 5 would have probably stabbed themselves, mine would at least have had the sense to unplug the PC before they completely disassembled it.

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    4. Re:Parents by ifiwereasculptor · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, that's what the catholic church keeps repeating, too.

    5. Re:Parents by Errtu76 · · Score: 4, Funny

      My three year old even knows that, but when the new baby arrived, she started imitating all kinds of stuff. That meant also putting this in her mouth whenever we were (yes) looking. Still, I agree with you here. I never leave small items around (or magnets for that matter) where the kids can get them.

      Btw, the button 'quote parent' seemed really appropriate here ;)

    6. Re:Parents by schroedingers_hat · · Score: 1

      Then pay attention when they're playing with the magnets, if they can't be trusted to keep track of them?
      For the rest of 'all the time' the magnets can be kept in the cupboard.

    7. Re:Parents by schroedingers_hat · · Score: 1

      In my experience, the magnets on toys (such as magnetix) are only a swallowing hazard when the toy is broken.

    8. Re:Parents by Monolith1 · · Score: 1

      While this is true seriously as a parent....what kind of dumbass leaves magnets where a 4 YEAR OLD can get them? Now obviously this wasn't the brightest bulb in the box, at 4 my boys knew that non-food items didn't belong in the mouth but still, not very damned smart.

      Bah! My 4 year old was able to dismantle a hard drive on his own. They loved playing with those super strong magnets. Just sayin...

    9. Re:Parents by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      In my experience, the magnets on toys (such as magnetix) are only a swallowing hazard when the toy is broken.

      Kids often use unbreakable toys to break other toys.

    10. Re:Parents by schroedingers_hat · · Score: 1

      My point was that momentary putting it in their mouths isn't so much of an issue if you are playing with the toy with your kid. Get them in the habit of counting all the pieces when they are done (or do it yourself if they are too young) and getting rid of broken/worn ones from the set.

    11. Re:Parents by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Funny you should mention that, I was teaching the boys starting at 9 how to build their own PCs, I found it was a great way to explain how computers actually worked. having their hands on the actual drives as i explained how signals are written onto the drive and taken off it really helped the knowledge stick and now he and his brother both have PCs they built themselves from scratch.

      Of course now that the oldest is in college i doubt he'll be building any laptops anytime soon but I was soooo proud of the way he vaporlocked the salesmen's brains asking questions like " Does it support VMs? What is the FSB speed of the board? What's the max memory? How much memory on the GPU?". By the time he got through with them they ended up throwing in a free totebag and care kit just to make the sale! that's my boy!

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    12. Re:Parents by timeOday · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I don't know if you have several kids, but I do. I don't think "paying attention" is a useful suggestion at all. It's impossible to keep track of every tiny piece from every little toy the older kids might have played with that fell under the toybox or whatever. Small kids naturally explore with their mouths, so all the garbage in this thread about "my kid is smart enough not to do this" and "darwin will sort it out" is just dumb.

      My takehome from this article is that if I still had toddlers, I would not keep toys with strong little magnets in my house. And this is a very good time of year to run this type of story.

    13. Re:Parents by Greyfox · · Score: 1

      My parents beat me whenever I did that. Oh... how they beat me...

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    14. Re:Parents by linuxwolf69 · · Score: 1

      It goes even further than that TFS says that the mother thought the magnets would pass without harm! Even if kid goes into siblings room, eats a magnet, then does so a SECOND day, the parent should be taking kid to medical assistance.

      On that note, my wife and I are about to have another kid. We don't believe in "baby proofing" the house. The entire dynamic of the house should not change just to suit the smallest. The baby is taught, as it grows, not to do things. "Don't stick a knife in the light socket. It'll hurt." Kid wants to do it anyway, they will find a way. Guess what, it HURTS! They won't do that again (wife's father let them do it once just so they'd see what it was like).

      100 years ago, there weren't all these laws and regulations about what you could, and couldn't do. Guess what, kids lived and were happy. They learned what they could and could not do and were stronger people for it. Today we have a society (in America) where people are taught to perform at the lowest level to get by and rely on other people to make your decisions.

    15. Re:Parents by jklovanc · · Score: 2

      The toys with magnets are all labelled for older children. The problem occurs when a younger child get hold of age inappropriate toys that were purchased for older siblings. The supervision comes in the parent making sure the young child is not playing with toys designed for older children.

      If one has children of varying ages and puts all their toys together in the same room it is very easy to mix toys with different age restrictions together. It is also difficult to get older children to put away toys that are not appropriate for younger children; adults do that. That "safe" play area is only safe of all age inappropriate toys are out of reach of the young child. That toy for your eight year old may not be safe for your two year old but if both play in the same room and the toys are stored in the same room there is a high likelihood that the three year old will come into contact the the eight year old's toys. Age inappropriate toys should not be mixed with age appropriate toys.

    16. Re:Parents by Sollord · · Score: 1

      Yeah because this generation where the parents got sent to jail or got there kids taken away for spanking them is so much more civilized and moral then previous generations. We stop whooping kids ass and making everything think of the children safe that they lack morals and common sense not to mention we're not weeding out the stupids early on anymore...

    17. Re:Parents by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      You... allow children to stick things in the electrical sockets?

      Worst parent ever... those things are potentially fatal.

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  4. Small parts? by bolt_the_dhampir · · Score: 1

    I thought toys with small parts had warnings and age restrictions on them, magnets or not..?

    1. Re:Small parts? by msauve · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Parents who are too stupid to keep toys with small parts away from their kids on their own are also too stupid to read the warning labels.

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  5. You mean like the warnings? by oodaloop · · Score: 5, Insightful

    These magnets come with clear warnings not to let kids eat them as they may become attached inside them. Seriously, is this article nothing more than a longer version of the warning that appears on the magnets themselves?

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    1. Re:You mean like the warnings? by Hope+Thelps · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think the key problem here is that the children don't have warning labels attached. I propose that in future hospitals tattoo babies shortly after, or if possible before, birth with something along the lines of "WARNING: child may do dangerous things". Billions of other warning labels would then be unnecessary.

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    2. Re:You mean like the warnings? by d4fseeker · · Score: 1

      You may need to give the parents a service & repair manual for babies, otherwise how would they know what "dangerous things" means?
      Don't blame the child for doing stuff, blame the parent for not protecting against it.

    3. Re:You mean like the warnings? by PPH · · Score: 4, Funny

      Check the Consumer Protection Agency. There might be a recall on your kid.

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    4. Re:You mean like the warnings? by houghi · · Score: 2

      Life causes death That should be clear to everybody. Accidents happen and humans (children and adults) will die because of it.
      When I was young my mother saw me playing at a door and was afraid my fingers would be caught between the door. She grabbed me and closed the door. Unfortunately she did not know that my sister was at the other side of the door and the top of her finger was chopped off.
      Should we now put warning labels on doors or forbid them or just realize that sometimes accidents happen?
      The fact that my sister did not make her house 'baby safe' for her kids and just said "If they break something, so be it." (and she was not talking about a vase. She was talking about arms and legs) makes me clear what at least this 'victim' thinks.

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    5. Re:You mean like the warnings? by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      TFA "Sim Osborn, an attorney who has spent a large portion of his career representing the families of children killed or injured by dangerous magnetized toys..."

      So the source for this is a personal injury lawyer. How many parents will feed magnets to their kids and give him a call?

    6. Re:You mean like the warnings? by syousef · · Score: 1

      Check the Consumer Protection Agency. There might be a recall on your kid.

      No YOU check with the Consumer Protection Agency., There's a recall on YO MAMMA!

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  6. Not just small children by nicklikesfire · · Score: 2

    These can be used to simulate a tongue piercing by placing one on the top of your tongue, and another below it. Obviously this leads to at least a few teenagers swallowing magnets as well.

    1. Re:Not just small children by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      These can be used to stimulate a tongue piercing . . .

      You meant that . . .

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  7. How is this news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This is well-known. Why is is news?

    1. Re:How is this news? by Dogtanian · · Score: 2

      This is well-known. Why is is news?

      Bingo, I was going to say this too. Only thing I can think of in its defence is that as rare earth magnets (which pose the greatest risk purely due to their strength) have become more common as novelties recently- e.g. through stores such as ThinkGeek- this might be more of an issue than it was previously.

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  8. Re:News for nerds? by shione · · Score: 1

    I think that as toys makers get more and more safety conscious toys become less collectible because they dull the designs and take out features

    Take for example G1 Transformers - metal, mij, chrome, full length smokestacks. The same toy could never be sold today to kids even if they somehow could bring the price down.

    I feel sorry for my kids kids toys. It will be a glob of synthetic material which safety breaks down if ingested. It won't last more than 2 years though without decomposing itself.

  9. Level of risk by Intron · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The pdf says they are aware of a total of 33 injuries and one death in the US ever due to magnet ingestion. Out of a 300 million population that is a vanishingly small risk. Meanwhile there are something like 30,000 accidental poisonings each year. Are we really paying attention to the right things?

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    1. Re:Level of risk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Top five causes of injury death (source World Report on Child Injury Prevention 2008)
      Road crashes: 260,000 children a year
      Drowning: 175,000 children a year
      Burns: 96,000 children a year
      Falls: 47,000 children a year
      Poisoning: 45,000 children each year

      Yup worrying about rare earth magnets is pretty useless.

    2. Re:Level of risk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Stepping barefoot on Legos: 164,000 children a year

    3. Re:Level of risk by perryizgr8 · · Score: 2

      no, it means there is no need for a special child cyanide regulation.

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    4. Re:Level of risk by Sulphur · · Score: 1

      The pdf says they are aware of a total of 33 injuries and one death in the US ever due to magnet ingestion. Out of a 300 million population that is a vanishingly small risk. Meanwhile there are something like 30,000 accidental poisonings each year. Are we really paying attention to the right things?

      Two words : Magnetic poisons.

    5. Re:Level of risk by syousef · · Score: 1

      Top five causes of injury death...

      Yup worrying about rare earth magnets is pretty useless.

      Unless your kid is the one killed. I think awareness is important. Did you know they were making magnets strong enough to harm children in toys...dinner table discussion. Not time to get obsessed or really worry though

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  10. Maybe it's just me, but... by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 3, Funny

    I think this somehow makes neodymium magnets seem even cooler. They've killed children... not by poisoning them, but by magnetism alone.

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  11. Not to sound harsh, but... by Cramit · · Score: 4, Insightful

    33 children injured total is not a huge number. I think more children are injured by electrical outlets, knives, stoves, etc around the house each day. Parents need to watch their kids. The child in the summary would have had a lot less trouble if they had taken the kid to the doctor immediately; rather then waiting a few days. If the child is in pain they need to get the kid checked out asap. That being said there could be a warning in the box stating that swallowed magnets warrant a trip to the doctor, but I don't see why this a news fro nerd or really something that matters to most.

  12. Two successive days last spring by JazzHarper · · Score: 1

    "Last spring", in this case, means April, 2007.

    1. Re:Two successive days last spring by oneiros27 · · Score: 2

      Which would be about the time that magnets were no longer allowed in toys for small children, and Magnetix (toys for children that included magnets) were recalled and relabeled for age 6+. (This was an extension of the recall from 2006) Mattel then recalled their toys with magnets in the fall of 2007. ... etc.

      Are we still having problems with this 5 years later?

      Are we going to need to havea story on here next week that small items are a choking hazard and shouldn't be given to children under 3?

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  13. Re:News for nerds? by snowgirl · · Score: 5, Funny

    Not sure this news item posted on the right web site. Don't you think this is mission creep, timothy?

    While I understand the incredulity of a nerd/geek having kids, there is yet a one-word simple answer... MAGNETS!

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  14. Kids are over-sheltered by pwizard2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I agree that four years old is a bit young to be playing with rare earth magnets, but around the age of 6 I already knew better than to put anything like that into my mouth. Around that time I was playing in my grandpa's workshop (he used to work in refrigerator repair, and the place was full of scrap metal, scrap wood, small electric motors, MAGNETS *gasp* , hand tools, and lots of other cool stuff to play with.) Naturally, I quickly got fond of building things and tinkering with machines.

    There was dangerous stuff in there (power tools and old cans of freon that he never got rid of for some reason) but he told me never to play with that and I was smart enough to listen. When he showed me what a table saw could do to a piece of scrap wood in under 2 seconds I quickly learned that I shouldn't put my finger there. The problem today is that we're treating kids who should be old enough for this stuff like toddlers. (mostly because people have turned into litigious bastards... true, they always were but it seems like it's gotten worse in the last decade or two) As a result, kids are way behind the curve on development than they were when I was growing up because their development is being stunted. If you took a typical sheltered kid from today and moved him back in time about 20 years, he would probably be considered slow and undeveloped.

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    1. Re:Kids are over-sheltered by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Today people are probably worried that if they take their kid to the ER with a minor injury and the kid says "I was playing in the workshop" they'll get done for endangering a minor.

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    2. Re:Kids are over-sheltered by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Too true. And I've actually seen that happen here in Ontario(canada). Government is by far overreaching, and childrens aid(and it's various equivalents across north america) are full of people who think they know best because some kid got hurt, because the kid was doing something stupid therefor the parents are 100% at fault. Never mind that they'll turn a blind eye when parents are actually threatening their kids, then murder them. See the Shafia honor killings, where the CAS actually turned a blind eye.

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  15. Why is a four-year old by joost · · Score: 1

    still swallowing things like magnets? Seems odd to me. That being said, there are also fake tongue piercing which are rare earth magnets too. Real easy to swallow and they wreak havoc inside the body as well. So I guess even as your child ages you have to constantly keep forbidding stuff.

  16. Title is wrong by kgroombr · · Score: 1

    The title of this article should say "... Pose Threat to Hungry Children".

  17. Re:Why are you surprised? by Hope+Thelps · · Score: 5, Funny

    Note that is of course also an issue for pets.

    Absolutely. Have people learned nothing from the tale of the old woman who swallowed a fly? Ponies should come with warning labels.

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  18. Re:News for nerds? by schroedingers_hat · · Score: 1

    It will be a glob of synthetic material which safety breaks down if ingested. It won't last more than 2 years though without decomposing itself.

    The way things are going, that sounds a bit dangerous.
    Large sections of high strength (but extra soft) completely non-toxic material which you could not fit into your mouth.
    Also, none of it can be more than 10cm off of the ground because they might fall off and hurt themselves.

  19. Re:And Air is bad if you breath it too much by Garybaldy · · Score: 1

    Do you have children? If so have you managed to watch them every second of their lives. No matter what you do. They will find a way.

  20. Re:Conspiracy!!1! by schroedingers_hat · · Score: 1

    Just a bit of natural selection. Chlorine in the gene pool, so to speak.

  21. Re:Why are you surprised? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Did you take the plastic bags away at the same time?

    All of my "rare-earth" magnets came with giant warnings that not only say "KEEP AWAY FROM ALL CHILDREN" but also "Keep away from nose and mouth. Do not swallow. If swallowed, seek emergency medical attention as magnets may stick together in the intestine, causing severe injury or death".

    How could that be more clear?

  22. They're only dangerous when they stick together. by Hero+Zzyzzx · · Score: 4, Funny

    Just tell your infant to only swallow one at a time. Problem solved!

  23. Re:Why are you surprised? by Destoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem is not toy rare earth magnets, but rare earth magnets used in toys.

    A magnet used as a locking device for the clasp of a book, magnets used in a toy train to hold them together, etc.

    Just like lead paint, the substitution is not obvious.

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  24. I'm not certain that is good comparison by brokeninside · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think a better comparison would be deaths (or injuries) compared to prevalence of the items in question. Of the 300,000,000 people in the US, only a small fraction live in an environment with access to rare earth magnets. But most, if not all, live in an environment where there are poisonous substances. Not to mention that according to the CDC, the overwhelming number of non-intentional poisonings are drug overdoses.

    In 2007, 93 percent of unintentional poisoning deaths were caused by drugs. Opioid pain medications, such as methadone, hydrocodone, or oxycodone, were most commonly involved, followed by cocaine and heroin.

    http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/poisoning/poisoning-factsheet.htm

    I'm not certain that we're talking about the same class of problems here.

    1. Re:I'm not certain that is good comparison by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      33 children, not 33 people. There are no 300000 children in the USA.

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    2. Re:I'm not certain that is good comparison by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Of the 300,000,000 people in the US, only a small fraction live in an environment with access to rare earth magnets.

      You can buy them in any shop just around the corner ... so I don'T get your point.

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    3. Re:I'm not certain that is good comparison by brokeninside · · Score: 1

      Sure. But how many households have?

      In order for the magnets to pose a danger, they have to be where people have easy access to them. I think it pretty safe to say that someone waking up one morning, walking down the block and into the shop around the corner just to buy a magnet to eat is a pretty rare occurrence.

      How many places where children are typically found usually have these sorts of magnets in places where the kids could easily get hold of them?

    4. Re:I'm not certain that is good comparison by hey! · · Score: 1

      This issue is one of choosing the correct denominator for calculating the risk for a toy. Remember, we aren't talking about rare earth magnets per se, but ones used as components in toys targeting various age groups.

      Roughly speaking here are your choices.
      (1) All the people in the US. (your choice)
      (2) All the children in the US.
      (3) All the children in the US in the target age group of the toy.
      (4) The number of children who will play with the specific toy in question.

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    5. Re:I'm not certain that is good comparison by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      As you see in the original article, every place where the older brother has a few of those magnets.

      And keep in mind: the older brother did not pull them out of a hard drive, but got them as toys ... likely from a toy store.

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    6. Re:I'm not certain that is good comparison by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      Do a quick search on Amazon for magnetic toys. You will find quite a few that are held together with rare earth magnets. These toys are purchased at any toy store so are easily accessible to children. There is one class of toys that is basically a bunch of round rare earth magnets that can be put into interesting formations; Buckeyballs There are many construction toys like this. I bet if you looked at any home today with geek parents or older children there would be at least one toy that has rare earth magnets in them.

  25. Re:News for nerds? by berashith · · Score: 1

    this is really just an ad for bucky balls at thinkgeek

  26. Re:You think it's just a problem with kids? by Monolith1 · · Score: 1

    if you only swallow one per day you probably wont get 2 in there at the same time

  27. Rename this article, IMMEDIATELY! by JoshDM · · Score: 2

    The title is misleading. It makes one believe Rare Earth Magnets might pose a tactile toxic or radiative concern.

    Rename it to "Rare Earth Magnets pose threat to children who ingest them" because otherwise you are wasting my time. My kid doesn't eat magnets and I've known about this hazard for a couple years.

    This is not only OLD news, this is IRRELEVANT news to me that you misled me into re-reading.

    1. Re:Rename this article, IMMEDIATELY! by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      A couple of years? The dangers of swallowing magnets have been known for decades.

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  28. Hmmm... by ZenDragon · · Score: 1

    I have a child, he is 12 now. He NEVER had a problem swallowing stupid shit when he was young. At 6 years old he was at least competent enough to know not to swallow anything but food. When he was a bit younger yea sure that might have posed a risk but we were very attentive parents and always kept an eye on him and were very careful about what we left out. Additionally we talked to him constantly and warned him about the risk of such things, and yes believe it or not that does work. Children are smarter than we give them credit for and allow them to be by dumbing everything down for them. Personally, I think that if you have 6 year old still doing that sort of thing you've got more problems than you know. Lets just say the problem extends beyond your child, stupid parents make stupid babies.

    1. Re:Hmmm... by ZenDragon · · Score: 1

      How does having only one child makes my opinion useless, I grew up in a family with three siblings and never did ANY of us randomly eat obviously inedible objects at 6 years old. I realize many kids are much harder to manage than one, but that doesn't make the point any less valid. Take an active role in raising a child (don't just sit a child in front of the TV or somewhere unsupervised), be mindful of what is left laying around, and generally don't be a idiot and I promise you, kids will be a lot less problematic with regards to things like this. Certainly kids will be kids, and you cant control every variable, but they generally have a capacity for learning way beyond what we give them credit for. That said, they only learn what their parents choose to teach them.

  29. Typo in Headline by Amphetam1ne · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Rare Earth Magnets" should read "Negligent Parents".

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    1. Re:Typo in Headline by prefec2 · · Score: 1

      The headline should be: "Shit happens"

      And the message of the article is: Do not swallow more than one rare-earth magnets.

      From my point of view you should not swallow any magnet. And if your kid did swallow something you go to the hospital. And when they swallowed a meta object or a magnet, you should not use a MRT to find out where it is. But you know that, because you learned it in physics in school. And you learned in health that telling the doctor what happened might help him or her to determine the right action.

    2. Re:Typo in Headline by Ironchew · · Score: 1

      "Rare Earth Magnets" should read "Negligent Parents".

      Also from the summary:

      "People swallow pennies of the same size every day," said Jill Eberle.

      I'm guessing the whole family is afflicted with pica.

  30. Simple Solution, Duh. by jacks0n · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just heat the child up to above the Curie temperature of the magnets and they will fall right off!

    1. Re:Simple Solution, Duh. by BetterSense · · Score: 2

      Induction heating would be even better. Just apply enough RF and the magnets themselves will heat up but nothing else. However, now you have just compounded the issue with 300C magnets, which would cause burns, but might auto-cauterize the wound.

  31. Re:Why are you surprised? by OAB_X · · Score: 2

    A warning label which is not present on toy packaging. Children's toys which contain rare-earth magnets.

  32. Re:You think it's just a problem with kids? by OAB_X · · Score: 3

    Did you try it with your intestines?

  33. Actually there are 300000 children in the US by brokeninside · · Score: 1

    Funny typos aside, that's besides the point. How many children live (or play) in environments with easily obtainable rare earth magnets compared to those who live (or play) in environments with easily obtainable poisonous substances?

    I don't know the answer to that. My point is that if we're going to compare, we should find out. Otherwise we're comparing the price of tea in China to the price of coffee in Tokyo.

    1. Re:Actually there are 300000 children in the US by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Dude, you are absolutely right.

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  34. Re:Fucking magnets... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
  35. In other News by sycodon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nearly 300 children drowned in their bath tub.

    Nearly 60 drown in a 5 gallon buckets

    Over 50 in a hot tub and 16 in toilets.

    But of course we need new regulations for magnets.

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    1. Re:In other News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So I think you've got a bit of a knee jerk reaction going on there. There isn't any place that I could find in the linked article / press release that called for regulations. It's just a consumer protection group issuing a warning to make people aware. There's not really any harm in that.

      That said the links include a lawyer trying to drum up business for cases involving this type of situation so I'm not sure it counts as slashdot worthy news either. =)

    2. Re:In other News by sycodon · · Score: 1

      Oh, you just wait. It's coming.

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    3. Re:In other News by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      What legislation? Why do people think that they are adding to the discussion when they cry about the government even if it isn't doing anything stupid.

      We clearly need regulation against that! :-)

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    4. Re:In other News by ATMAvatar · · Score: 2, Informative

      I believe the point was that a parent of a child who swallows a rare-earth magnet is an idiot. Killing off the offspring of a lesser-fit being because they fail at parenting is just as much natural selection as killing off the lesser-fit being before they procreate in the first place.

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    5. Re:In other News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      When the shooting starts, I'm coming for assholes like you first.

    6. Re:In other News by mangu · · Score: 2

      It's just a consumer protection group issuing a warning to make people aware.

      I think people who don't read the warnings that come in every product sold on the market will never take notice of a warning issued by a protection group. Let Darwin take care of those things.

    7. Re:In other News by an_orphan · · Score: 1

      Killing off the offspring of a lesser-fit being because they fail at parenting is just as much natural selection as killing off the lesser-fit being before they procreate in the first place.

      actually, if he ends up having 2 kids, it's only 1/2 as much natural selection.

    8. Re:In other News by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      Slight problem - it doesn't take care of the people who don't read the warnings, but instead their potentially perfect warning-reading children. We'll never know, now.

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    9. Re:In other News by Silvermistshadow · · Score: 1

      The warning was often the most interesting thing on the box of a new toy for me. Long trips could be shortened entirely by reading the car manual. I guess I have a different sense of fun reading.

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  36. Re:And Air is bad if you breath it too much by PPH · · Score: 4, Funny

    Do you have children? If so have you managed to watch them every second of their lives.

    We don't let them out of their locked cages that often.

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  37. panax by panax1 · · Score: 1

    Just like lead paint, the substitution is not obvious.

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  38. Re:Fucking magnets... by mister_playboy · · Score: 1

    ah Saturday Morning comments ... posting nonsensical things on Slashdot.

    Actually, that happens on all days and at all times in my experience. :)

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  39. Re:Dawin will sort this out by MisterSquid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Could you come down off your 4-difit UID geek high-horse and for a picosecond entertain the idea that not everything is so easily controlled in a highly dynamic nonlinear multivariate system commonly referred to as a child-rearing household in a developed nation?

    Raising children is hard (I say this as a mid-forties bachelor not living in my parents' basement), and I would never dare to presume that avoiding all accidents is possible regarding the welfare of a child. I'd doubly not dare to presume such if I were a parent.

    Ignorant as I am, I at least know better than to cast smug blame on the parents of children who have undergone a medical emergency. For all that is good, please follow these steps:

    1. 1. Get off high horse.
    2. 2. Discard smugness.
    3. 3. Search for "fellow feeling" and "sense of compassion".
    4. 4. Generously apply results from previous step wherever needed.
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  40. since no one else has said it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    if kids do swallow a Rare Earth Magnet, the parents can keep an eye on them a lot easier... just check the front of the fridge! they'll probably be stuck there....

  41. Re:Why are you surprised? by BagOCrap · · Score: 1

    Why are you surprised? This is exactly what happens when Americans buy toys manufactured in third-world shithole nations, where the concept of "safety" is virtually unheard of.

    And who exactly, thought it'd be a good idea to let children play with tiny magnets in the first place? The manufacturer?

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  42. Re:Rare earth medals for children's toys by Nimey · · Score: 1

    It's for bloody kid's toys. For most things a velcro dot would be good enough for a toy.

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  43. So Many Possibilities... by tunapez · · Score: 1

    Spoons Pose Threat To Children!

    iPods Pose Threat To Children!

    Diapers Pose Threat To Children!

    Meteors Pose Threat To Children!

    Internetz Pose Threat To Children!

    So many possibilities for a sensational headline. Poor Timmy, how does he choose... so poorly, so often?.

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  44. Re:Why are you surprised? by w_dragon · · Score: 2

    Which isn't an issue so long as the magnets are well connected to something too big to swallow. If your kid's toys break into pieces small enough to put in their mouth it's time to throw them out.

  45. Re:News for nerds? by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

    The Insane Clown Posse is still trying to figure out how magnets work.

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  46. Retarded much? by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

    Still swallowing things that are not food at age four? That kid has bigger problems coming in life!

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  47. Re:Why are you surprised? by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 5, Funny

    No, the problem is that magnets are delicious.

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  48. Re:Why are you surprised? by houghi · · Score: 2

    You mean there are no alternatives to locking devices for books or ways to hold trains together? I mean apart from the ones that were used before magnets were used.

    The issue is not alternatives, the issue is price. That and the fact that kids will put stuff in their mouth and swallow it, no matter what. That is what kids do and that is why parents should not be putting them in front of a TV. Instead they must spend time with the kids.

    You are a parent. That does not stop. EVER!

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  49. Re:Why are you surprised? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I actually had two small rare earth magnets in a plastic packaging, their only purpose was to hold the package shut.

    They were relatively easy to extract from the package, and there were no indications that the package even had magnets in the first place. While I don't really care for the excessive warning labels for the American public, these are powerful enough to be scary. And placing them in toys or ... packaging seems reckless.

  50. Like almost anything by Hentes · · Score: 1

    Almost all items can cause injuries if a kid swallows them regularly.

  51. Re:Why are you surprised? by Gription · · Score: 2

    Yeah, because we all know that children will only break their toys in front of their parents. Plus even if it was broken out of the parent's view we all know that children always show their parents the things they have broken immediately afterwords...

  52. Re:Why are you surprised? by wagnerrp · · Score: 1

    That's why children's toys are large such that they cannot be swallowed, and rugged such that they cannot be broken into smaller pieces and swallowed.

  53. Re:You think it's just a problem with kids? by wagnerrp · · Score: 2

    Your fingers are thick and durable. Small magnets at such distance isn't much of a risk. Put them on opposite sides of your nasal septum, and you'll have significantly more risk of bruising. Do that with weaker internal tissues, drag them along, and there's a good chance you will cause internal bleeding.

  54. Re:Why are you surprised? by Goaway · · Score: 2

    Did you take the plastic bags away at the same time?

    I am fairly sure that it is standard practice to take plastic bags away from small children if they start playing with them, yes.

  55. Re:Why are you surprised? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

    That and the fact that kids will put stuff in their mouth and swallow it, no matter what. That is what kids do and that is why parents should not be putting them in front of a TV.

    I don't think there's a danger of a child swallowing a TV.

    (Yes, you should spend time with your kids instead of just putting them in front of a TV. But then, I don't see any connection between children swallowing things and children sitting in front of a TV.)

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  56. Re:Why are you surprised? by brantondaveperson · · Score: 1

    I'm sorry, but how is this related to putting kids in front of the TV?

    While I don't disagree that one should spend time with one's children and in general TV should be avoided, at some point those little darlings of yours are going to have to learn to play by themselves. Despite what you appear to imagine it is not physically possible to closely supervise one's offspring every minute of the day.

    So you were right, and then you went off on some odd tangent. But that's ok - don't feel bad.

  57. Re:They're only dangerous when they stick together by amanaplanacanalpanam · · Score: 1

    The kid did eat them one at a time, as even the summary states.

  58. Video Example by goingToSay · · Score: 2

    Here is a great video explaining how magnets will hurt you.

  59. Re:Fucking magnets... by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

    Saturday morning comments happen on all days and at all times?
    Time seems to be more relative than I thought. :-)

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  60. This Just in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    A new research study has found that being alive poses multiple threats not only to children, but to all living things. The study discovered that just by being alive your chance of dying is an astounding 100%. More on this shocking study at 11.

  61. I was abused by catholic magnets as a child by wdef · · Score: 1

    And it's official: *everything* is bad for children. Paranoid parents are so much easier for marketers and politicians to manipulate.

  62. Notice- children swallowing chainsaws bad by bryan1945 · · Score: 1

    It's science, people!

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  63. Degaussing Rare Earth Magnets in MRI by trout007 · · Score: 1

    I'm not an EE but could you degauss a Rare Earth Magnet in an MRI or other magnetic coil if it was injested?

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    1. Re:Degaussing Rare Earth Magnets in MRI by IHC+Navistar · · Score: 1

      Possibly, but the degaussing would probably be due to the force of the magnet slamming up against the machine after it shot out of the kid.....

      Would be pretty funny if it was strong enough to levitate the kid, though. The look on the technician would be priceless.....

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  64. Re:Dawin will sort this out by sjames · · Score: 1

    But I'll bet you paid a lot more attention to the items you knew could be dangerous and not so much to the generally harmless ones.

    Many parents aren't aware that rare earth magnets are not like the chunks of hard rubber or ferrite that they had when they were kids. Once made aware they'll put them in the more attention category and we'll see a lot less incidents.

  65. Bad for kids, good for teenagers by pacc · · Score: 1

    Don't forget the good side of every story.

    The sideeffects will weed out wimpy teenagers that cannot take pain
    and orders fake neodynium "piercing" kits.

  66. Re:You think it's just a problem with kids? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

    I'm not that dumb.

  67. Parents fault, not the toy manufacturer by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    Does it NOT say on toys that they should be kept away from those under______age? Then it is the responsibility of the PARENTS to insure no one under that prescribed age is allowed to be around such toys. Here we go again...there will be endless class action lawsuits, and we'll have to endure more stupid "if you or a loved one has been injured while playing with X toy, call the law offices of we sue and make tons of money". I've gotten so sick of the stupidity of the average human that sometimes I wish a huge asteroid would wipe the whole thing out so nature & god can start all over. People wonder why intelligent life in outer space has not contacted us. Well, when you see stories about how adults are so stupid as to allow a small child anywhere near something they can put into their mouth, then you know why they steer clear of the planet Earth.

  68. Re:Confused by kurzweilfreak · · Score: 1

    Better question, how do they taste?!

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  69. This is a story from 2006 by Animats · · Score: 2

    This story comes from the Magnetix recall of 2006: "CPSC and Mega Brands are aware of one death, one aspiration and 27 intestinal injuries. Emergency surgical intervention was needed in all but one case." The toy was a construction set of plastic parts with small embedded magnets, usable by small children. The small magnets weren't embedded very well, apparently just pressed into recesses in the plastic, and came out easily. Mega Brands paid a $1.1 million fine for this.

  70. Stupid people dies every day. by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Smart kids don't swallow their toys. Stupid kids do. Sometimes stupid kids die. Deal with it, in the meanwhile, don't kill the fun for everyone else.

    -- Darwin

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  71. Queue the Nanny State-ers. Isn't this obvious? by Lime+Green+Bowler · · Score: 1

    It's inevitable that some kid is going to be harmed by something at some point in time. Parents need to start taking responsibility of watching their kids. At that young age, critters don't have common sense. Parents are stupid to think otherwise and should be teaching them right, wrong, safe, danger, good, bad. he write-up says it all: the mother's first reaction was "it won't harm him". What else is she letting the kid eat because "it won't harm him"? Apparently we have a parent with no common sense either, one that is not ready to be raising children. Jeez.

    It's sad to see material things and freedoms being banned or regulated by the Nanny-nuts, and it's sad to not see the right people slapping parents with a sensibility stick when they take up a crusade because of something stupid that they could have prevented. Instead, we all end up being inconvenienced or punished by their failures.

    I don't know what kind of people Jill hangs around, but I for one don't not see people swallowing pennies every day.

  72. Condom packet by syousef · · Score: 1

    I think the key problem here is that the children don't have warning labels attached. I propose that in future hospitals tattoo babies shortly after, or if possible before, birth with something along the lines of "WARNING: child may do dangerous things". Billions of other warning labels would then be unnecessary.

    It's too late once they're born. Put the warning on the condom. WARNING: Having children will turn your hair grey, ruin your sex life, and that's when things are going well! ;-)

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  73. Re:Dawin will sort this out by sco08y · · Score: 1

    Raising children is hard (I say this as a mid-forties bachelor not living in my parents' basement), and I would never dare to presume that avoiding all accidents is possible regarding the welfare of a child. I'd doubly not dare to presume such if I were a parent.

    Ignorant as I am, I at least know better than to cast smug blame on the parents of children who have undergone a medical emergency.

    Maybe I'm just a terrible person, but I don't think The Children make any person or any claim blameless or beyond scrutiny.

  74. Fighting Fire With.....More Fire? by IHC+Navistar · · Score: 1

    If a kid swallows a rare-earth magnet, the best thing to do is to seek medical attention RIGHT AWAY. Secondly, TAKE THE SOURCE OF THE MAGNETS AWAY FROM THEM!

    A suitable punishment for such behavior would be to make them eat things that no kid would want to eat:

    1. Chili peppers,
    2. Castor oil (the medical stuff),
    3. Lima beans,
    4. Anchovies / Sardines

    You can also spray some electronics duster on the stuff you don't want them to eat, but know they will.

    The 'compressed air' stuff sold at electronics shops contains Bitrex, which I found out the hard way (by accident) tastes like absolute crap, makes everything else taste like absolute crap, stays on the hands (until they get a good scrubbing), and will linger for an hour or so in your mouth.

    (This is the kind of stuff that happens when a bunch of cops get bored and realize the department is awash in office supplies and Christmas food. It made a better prank than crank-calling the Lt. from the office next to his, but that's another story.....)

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    1. Re:Fighting Fire With.....More Fire? by QuasiSteve · · Score: 1

      You can also spray some electronics duster on the stuff you don't want them to eat, but know they will.

      The 'compressed air' stuff sold at electronics shops contains Bitrex

      That's not always the case - and anybody shopping for 'compressed air' dusters would do well to shop for one that doesn't have it, as it leaves a nasty residue.

      That said, that nasty residue is exactly one of the things that is commonly used to discourage kids from putting stuff in their mouthes;
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitterant

      So for 'age appropriate' toys that use magnets, they could cover the (unexposed parts of the) magnets in the stuff so that should the magnets come loose, kids would be less likely to stick them in their mouth (or at least spit it out right quick in a reflex).

      Wouldn't help with loose magnets that are loose by design and thus couldn't be covered by the stuff - but usually those are used by older kids who should know better than to leave them laying around as they'll affect anything metal or magnetic nearby anyway.

  75. pollution and foreign trade by againsttheodds · · Score: 1

    They can be a danger to kids (just about anything can be a danger to kids) and that is good to know for people who may not realize the power in rare earth magnets. But, more importantly, the use of rare earths creates a dependence on China that is critical although new companies are now trying to fill the supply gap. That makes a good stock market emerging market if you trust in such things. Also, the conditions at such mines and the corresponding factories are lethal with likely many generations of Chinese and 3rd world laborers going to die like the early days of the coal mining industry. Better extraction and refining methods are needed as well as alternatives to rare earths which are being pursued. I have written a few articles on the rare earths and these magnets: http://againsttheodds.hubpages.com/hub/Super-Neodymium-Magnets and http://againsttheodds.hubpages.com/hub/The-Race-For-The-Stocks-Of-The-17-Rare-Earth-Elements are a few.

  76. One can only hope by publiclurker · · Score: 1, Insightful

    That you never breed and therefore prevent your faulty genes from contaminating the gene pool. What other excuse would there be for a loser to try to blame the parents for the actions of infants in a sorry attempt at justifying their own deluded sense of adequacy.

    1. Re:One can only hope by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      The blame is attached to the parents for not supervising their children more closely. They fail at being good parents ; their children die ; life goes on and either they're better parents next time round (children being cheaply replaceable, in a resources-investment sense), or their blood line dies out.

      Substitute "ate poisonous plants" or "cuddled a poisonous snake" for "ate a dangerous plaything" and you'll see how our ancestors have been applying this selection test to parents for several millions of generations.

      I also note that this is repeated neglect - the child had to swallow at least two magnets at enough separation in time (enough time to empty the stomach into the upper bowel - say, 6 hours?) that they pinch a section of bowel. So these are not isolated oversights, but repeated failings by the parents.

      Were any surviving siblings taken into protective custody? Should have been.

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    2. Re:One can only hope by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      Noone's complaining about magnets - those things are weak as shit. What they're complaining about is toys being made with those super-powerful fuckoff magnets they put in hard drives and stuff - those things are as close as you can get to weaponised magnetism.

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    3. Re:One can only hope by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      A parent that leaves these ultra powerful magnets in reach of an infant is the failure. And ATMAvatar was explaining the ACs point, wishing him to never procreate is rather counter intuitive, you are blaming the messenger...

      These magnets always have warning labels, this is not a new thing that they can do this.

      Read the technical details of this product:

      http://www.amazon.com/Bucky-Balls-Amazing-Magnetic-Desktoy/dp/B003Y3101S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1324567908&sr=8-1

      It is quite clear that these items are dangerous, so it makes you wonder who allows a kid that is still in the swallowing phase be around these items.

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  77. Re:Why are you surprised? by publiclurker · · Score: 1

    Actually, with modern flat screen TV's, there is a real threat of the kids knocking the TV over and onto themselves. Never happened with the old console sets from when I was a kid.

  78. Fellow Evil Parents by ryanisflyboy · · Score: 1

    For those of you who have been fortunate enough to breed, what do you do to keep your spawn from being harmed while sequestered in your lair? Here are a few tips:

    • Keep them away from the lava. Young evil geniuses are not yet capable of understanding that magma will melt their face. Being geniuses, however, your bio-genetic-replicants will soon learn this is a hazard if you toss a few lost island tourists in to your volcano.
    • Don't let them eat anything except organically grown unprocessed rations. If you've ever had the misfortune of being trapped in an air-lock cycle with a dirty diaper containing post-digested processed cheese, you'll never use such torture on even your most hated nemesis. Not even an evil genius is that cruel.
    • Ensure your mini-clone understands that only minions should be used for weapons development. Evil daddy is not an acceptable bio-waste or germ warfare target.
    • Do not allow your halflings to ingest laser beams, acid, sharks, large saws, explosives, boomerang hats, and especially ultra-powerful-magnetosphere-altering magnets. They'll end up sticking together and you'll NEVER get them apart.
  79. We are talking about rare earth magnets per se by brokeninside · · Score: 1

    If a toy includes a rare earth magnet as a part and that part is easy to detach and consume, then a house with that toy would probably count as an environment where children have easy access to rare earth magnets, no?

    1. Re:We are talking about rare earth magnets per se by hey! · · Score: 1

      If a toy includes a rare earth magnet as a part and that part is easy to detach and consume, then a house with that toy would probably count as an environment where children have easy access to rare earth magnets, no?

      Sure, but the two scenarios -- the one where you *intentionally* give a child a rare earth magnet and the other where you do so inadvertently -- are entirely different.

      Nobody (at least in this conversation) is saying that we should hold manufacturers of rare earth magnet *as* toys responsible when someone is stupid enough to give them to a toddler. However using such a magnet in a toy intended for toddlers is irresponsible.

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  80. They must not be too rare by Stan92057 · · Score: 1

    They must not be too rare if they are being used in children's toys. Whats the requirement of being classified rare?

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    1. Re:They must not be too rare by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      Reality is that the problem applies to all magnets or a combination of a magnet and iron piece too, so keep magnets away from small kids completely.

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    2. Re:They must not be too rare by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      Rare earth is a misnomer. Over 80,000 tones of rare earths are mined every year.

      "Despite their name, rare earth elements (with the exception of the radioactive promethium) are relatively plentiful in the Earth's crust, with cerium being the 25th most abundant element at 68 parts per million (similar to copper). However, because of their geochemical properties, rare earth elements are typically dispersed and not often found in concentrated and economically exploitable forms. The few economically exploitable deposits are known as rare earth minerals.[3] It was the very scarcity of these minerals (previously called "earths") that led to the term "rare earth". The first such mineral discovered was gadolinite, a compound of cerium, yttrium, iron, silicon and other elements. This mineral was extracted from a mine in the village of Ytterby in Sweden; many of the rare earth elements bear names derived from this location."

    3. Re:They must not be too rare by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Nonetheless, there must be a shortage of them, as the Chinese seem to be hoarding them.

      What I don't get is why a toy needs such special magnets. Wouldn't plain old iron work in most cases?

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    4. Re:They must not be too rare by jklovanc · · Score: 2

      The chinese have embargoed Japan over a border dispute. They hare restricted export of raw rare earths because they want to retain manufacturing in China. They have not restricted export of toys, etc that contain rare earth magnets.

      The reason to use rare earth magnets is that they are very strong compared to normal ferrous magnets. In construction sets such as this contain rare earth magnets. At each end of the bars is a rare earth magnet. They hold the steel spheres very strongly. A regular ferrous magnet will not work. There are even magnetic push pins that are used because they are strong enough to work through several layers of paper. Ever have a regular magnet fall of you fridge because you tried to put a few pieces of paper between it and the metal? That won't happen with rare earth magnets. They are also used in workshops to hold tools on the wall to keep them organized. Anywhere that strong magnets are used they are probably rare earth magnets. Despite their name they are not rare or special.

    5. Re:They must not be too rare by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      The reason to use rare earth magnets is that they are very strong compared to normal ferrous magnets.

      You mean very strong for their size? I see the point in things like disk heads, where the solution of just using bigger ones isn't feasible. As for holding up the hammer, it's an interesting gimmick but I keep mine in a toolbox.

      Ever have a regular magnet fall of you fridge because you tried to put a few pieces of paper between it and the metal?

      Are they not bound by the same inverse square law as normal magnets?

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    6. Re:They must not be too rare by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      Are they not bound by the same inverse square law as normal magnets?

      Yes they are but they have a much stronger starting point. Most flexible magnets can barely hold up one sheet of paper. Add another layer and the papers fall. A rare earth magnet is much stronger to start with and can be much further away from the steel before it's strength drops too low. Think of it like a light bulb. A 1W bulb does not light very much area. A 50 W bulb lights much further. Say you need a certain lumin level to read by.That level may be only a few inches from the 1W bulb but many more feet from the 50W bulb. Light and magnetism both follow the inverse square law.

      True, I do mean very strong for their size but size is important in many applications not just disk drives. Those construction toys would not work with regular magnets. The magnet size would need to increase to get similar holding strength. To maintain surface contact with the larger magnet the size of the steel balls would have to increase which would require more magnetic strength to hold them which would require bigger magnets and the loop continues. Holding large weights with small magnets requires rare earth magnets.

  81. Re:News for nerds? by The+Askylist · · Score: 1

    Must have spent too many days riding on their Little Yellow Bus ;-)

  82. Re:You think it's just a problem with kids? by mangu · · Score: 2

    I've stripped those magnets out of hard drives many times and found no injury

    YMMV. I've seen hard drive magnets that are quite safe, but I once opened a drive that had magnets so strong they were literally blown to pieces when they came near each other. I couldn't pry them apart with my fingers, when I used a screwdriver the steel plate that they were glued on came loose. I ended with a mess of magnet dust clung together in a lump.

  83. Re:Why are you surprised? by St.Creed · · Score: 2

    No they don't. At least, not in the entire EU and certainly not for all toys. I just read an article about how the Dutch Food and Wares Safety Inspection holds a lot of inspections, specifically aimed at protecting children from bad toys. Most of the well known manufacturers are very afraid of having bad toys on sale, but a lot of smaller ones aren't equipped or motivated to check out all the stuff they buy externally themselves. So the Inspection does it for them. One of the things they look for is how easy it is to break up a toy. If it is easy enough to break it up, it has to be removed from the market if it breaks into bits smaller than will fit into the throat of a small child. And magnets were a point they especially looked for, given their lethality and the fact it is hard to notice for parents that something that small has gone missing.

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  84. So what? by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 2

    30 kids is one out of every TEN MILLION people in the U.S.

    Don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying that parents should not pay attention to this issue, but 30 kids a year is NOTHING. Far far more die of bathtub accidents, but you don't see people making a big deal out of bathtubs.

    It is 1,000 or more times more likely that the kid will get struck by lightning. Should you, therefore, force kids to carry around a lightning rod everywhere they go?

    This is one of those "mis-perception of risk" things that you read about. There are much more important things in this world that need your attention.

    1. Re:So what? by crdotson · · Score: 1

      In fact carrying around a lightning rod is a pretty bad idea. :)

  85. Re:Fucking magnets... by Caraig · · Score: 1

    Time Cube Guy was RIGHT! Holy shit!

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  86. Re:Why are you surprised? by ThisIsNotMyHandel · · Score: 1

    By that you must mean when Americans buy toys and then leave their kid in front of the TV instead of....i don't know....parenting them.

  87. Sex accidents? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    I'm surprised they haven't caused any sexual accidents. I can think up some interesting uses for such magnets right now.

  88. Re:Why are you surprised? by rev0lt · · Score: 1

    If your flat screen is sitting on a tempered glass tabletop, they probably don't need to knock the tv for that to happen. Tempered glass is very sensitive to heat variations, and prone to defects that can make it break apart under tension. The crt tv sets were often too heavy for this kind of furniture, but now is quite popular.

  89. Re:Why are you surprised? by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 1

    You are a parent. That does not stop. EVER!

    Yes. And you are a child of someone. That does not stop. EVER!

    Should we make sure your parents keep you under lock and key? From your comment, I sure think you didn't learn certain lessons - say, about compassion, maybe. You sure don't understand the limits of parents' control over children. What else didn't you learn? Being so stupid, maybe you do need to be locked up for your own safety. Don't worry - we'll keep the toys having rare earth magnets away from you.

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  90. Re:They're only dangerous when they stick together by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    That's fine until they lean up against the refrigerator :-)

  91. A lot o otherwise normal objects are dangerous by Cyberllama · · Score: 1

    If kids eat them. It sounds like the issue here is not that the magnets are particularly dangerous (i never ate any pennies, and I doubt most kids do)--but rather that parents don't perceive/anticipate the danger and seek medical help before a situation forms. If your kid drank a cup of bleach, you would, I hope, immediately take him to the hospital. People just need to understand the same mindset applies to small powerful magnets.

    And, just as you would bleach, don't put them where a small child may get to them. It's really a pretty simple fix.

  92. Magnets: how the fuck do they work? by Legion303 · · Score: 1

    Why would the mother's first reaction be an expectation that the magnets would pass through the kid's system? Magnets tend to stick to one another. Humanity has known this for a little while now.

  93. This reminds me... by Kagetsuki · · Score: 1

    This reminds me of a story about leaded plastic. An American company had plastic rules produced in China, and the tested positive for lead but not to any immediately dangerous degree unless you were sticking them in your mouth. The American company was furious at the Chinese manufacturer and questioned why they would make such a thing. The Chinese manufacturer, confused, asked "why would any child stupid enough to put a ruler in their mouth be using a ruler in the first place?".

    These magnets are basically the same thing - they are dangerous and they shouldn't be near little kids. You hide your knives, lighters, batteries, and medicine from them so why should this be any different. The article notes a case where it was in a construction kit - even the toys my 3 year old plays with I wouldn't let near a baby so it's their own fault for not managing their environment. I mean come on, the kids swallowed not one but two of them on -different- days.

    1. Re:This reminds me... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      The Chinese manufacturer, confused, asked "why would any child stupid enough to put a ruler in their mouth be using a ruler in the first place?".

      Perhaps someone should have explained that there are other countries where it's allowed to have more than one child.

      even the toys my 3 year old plays with I wouldn't let near a baby

      Presumably you're talking about a hypothetical baby, because a real one will get his hands on the bigger one's toys at some point.

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    2. Re:This reminds me... by Kagetsuki · · Score: 1

      Hey, I live in a country where the only acceptable levels of lead in most things is 0 as well and I'm glad I do. Still, the Chinese manufacturer there did have kind of a point.

      I've got two kids and we were very careful about where we put things. A corner of my office became the Lego and small toy room and we made a habit out of closing the door. On top of that by the time they were toddlers both of my kids didn't shove everything in their mouths like a lot of other kids did, so I guess we did something right there? Regardless when you have kids being careful about what they can reach and making sure you minimize their possibility of injury is something every parent should be doing. Baby ate two magnets in two days? I'd guess bad parents, not bad magnets.

    3. Re:This reminds me... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Still, the Chinese manufacturer there did have kind of a point.

      Because kids only use things for their intended purpose, right? The more I think about it, the more stupid and arrogant to manufacturer's statement sounds.

      A corner of my office became the Lego and small toy room and we made a habit out of closing the door.

      Unless you run the house like an American airport I don't see what stops the big one taking things out & leaving them where the small one can get them. Kids have short attention spans.

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    4. Re:This reminds me... by Kagetsuki · · Score: 1

      Well you wouldn't give a ruler to a child who was too young to use one. You know, just like you don't give young children screwdrivers and knives.

      Of course my son brought Legos out of the office occasionally but that doesn't invalidate having them in a separate room away from the baby. It's a preventative measure and it's far more responsible than just leaving them out in the living room.

      Tell you what, go ahead and leave all your Legos and knives and screwdrivers out in reach of your toddler who you never took the time to teach not to stick everything they see in their mouth. You sound like an awesome parent, letting your kid learn from their own mistakes and all. Oh and don't bother securing doors and taping padding to sharp edges, that's mollycoddling them.

  94. Re:Why are you surprised? by Phoghat · · Score: 1

    At least the magnets are safer than the Happy Fun Ball (tm)

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  95. So why are monkeys smart enough to not eat rocks? by doccus · · Score: 1

    But the human species' kids are so stupid they stick anything that doesn't remotely resemble food in their mouth? God, if a species in the wild had kids as useless as ours they'd be extinct within one generation.. Just had to be said..

  96. Re:Why are you surprised? by rduke15 · · Score: 1

    All of my "rare-earth" magnets came with giant warnings that not only say "KEEP AWAY FROM ALL CHILDREN" but also "Keep away from nose and mouth. Do not swallow. If swallowed, seek emergency medical attention as magnets may stick together in the intestine, causing severe injury or death".

    I wonder where you get your old hard drives from. I never saw such a warning on any of mine.

  97. Capsaicin by DrYak · · Score: 1

    I don't know about the Thais, but I doubt most parents would wean their babies on spicy food.

    On the other hand, capsaicin eaten by the mother can end up in the breast milk, thus Thai babies' organism can a little bit get used to it earlier in life as other children.

    they'd have grown out of putting just anything in their mouths :).

    ~ 3 y.o.
    Afterward the part of the brain has grown enough to be able to repress in-born reflexes like swallowing anything put into the mouths.
    Until that point, children can't help it. It's just a reflex, anything going near the mouth *will* be swallowed, no matter what.

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  98. Re:Why are you surprised? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    Did they replace the magnets in Thomas the Tank engine trains and I haven't noticed? Though I doubt those are rare earth, as the kids wouldn't be able to separate the cars if they were...

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  99. Re:Why are you surprised? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    Hmm, that didn't occur to me...maybe I should get a new table for my tv...

    Then again, I have not had an issue in the 4 years I have had that glass TV stand, so perhaps the furniture makers thought of that?

    If someone is concerned about the kid knocking a LCD TV onto themselves, why not mount it to the wall? Those wall mounts are pretty much invincible.

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  100. Re:Why are you surprised? by rev0lt · · Score: 1

    I'm no glass expert, but google for "exploding table glass" or "table glass explode", and you'll get a lot of results of people describing/complaining about the issue. The wallmounts are nice, but you can't stick them in front of a window, so it may not work for everybody.