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Pirate Bay To Offer Physical Item Downloads

lukehopewell1 writes "The Pirate Bay is offering users the chance to download and print out real objects using 3D printers in what the pirate site is hailing as 'the future.'" Amir Taaki mentions that among the new "physibles" uploaded to the Pirate Bay are "plans for a tabletop replica for a Warhammer 40k dreadnought that got taken down in December with a DMCA request." Downloadable 3D models have been around for a while; MakerBot users are probably all familiar with the Thingiverse. Couple TPB with a cheap method of accurate 3D scanning, though, and I wonder what illegal shapes will emerge.

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  1. Car by Rinisari · · Score: 4, Funny

    I want to download a car!

    1. Re:Car by Sockatume · · Score: 5, Funny

      You wouldn't, though.

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    2. Re:Car by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yes, yes I would.

    3. Re:Car by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 3, Funny
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    4. Re:Car by AngryDeuce · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't Copy That Jalopy!!

    5. Re:Car by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > Yes, yes I would. -- Kathryn Janeway

      FTFY

    6. Re:Car by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sir, you win so many friggin' internets.

    7. Re:Car by na1led · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You can download Parts for your Car! think of old those small broken plastics that cost a fortune from the dealer, now you can just print it.

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    8. Re:Car by jamstar7 · · Score: 1

      Only if it flies. What could possibly go wrong?

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    9. Re:Car by twotacocombo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Or streetbike plastics. Those things cost a bloody fortune to replace, and they're just molded ABS!

    10. Re:Car by Squiddie · · Score: 1

      People have already built printed RC planes. And I think I saw one video where a guy printed rotor blades. So printing your own UAV might not be too far off.

    11. Re:Car by Ogi_UnixNut · · Score: 2

      Actually I was thinking about that recently when I got my first car. It's old, over 30 years. It's getting to the point where even scrapyards don't have the parts anymore.

      A lot of the parts that have broken on it are little ABS plastic thingies, things like plastic mounts for switches, little cogs for opening the heater vents, knobs, etc...

      All this is well within the range of the current generation of 3D printers (and I'm sure things will get better on the printer front).

      Wouldn't it be nice if there was a single online repository where you could upload parts for others to use? That way it would reduce the effort required in maintaining/upgrading older cars. I can tell you that I'm reaching the point when I've started hand making replacement parts from plexiglass and a dremel. A 3D printer would be a godsend (and when I save up enough I'll probably buy a reprap just for this purpose).

      People could even improve on the designs, allowing for even more customisation of their cars.

      The metal parts of the car you can't print at the moment, but that's ok, generally any good machine shop will be able to do those parts for you anyway, plus those seem to be the most hard wearing.

      What do you think guys? Any site like this out there? Perhaps we should make one?

    12. Re:Car by bky1701 · · Score: 1

      Got that right. A car would probably take a week on my internet connection!

    13. Re:Car by DanielRavenNest · · Score: 1

      Plans will be here when they finish them:

      http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Open_Source_Car

      Open Source Ecology is developing a "construction set" of machines, including ones that can build parts for other machines. It's an "ecology" rather than a "3D printer", because a single device can't do everything yet. So you need a different machine to make plastic extrusions than to machine metal, for example.

      I've made an early version of a drill press, and am starting to document it. Other people can take my design and improve on it, like with open source software. Eventually all the key machines will be programmable, so that you can hit "print" from a set of downloaded plans, and the various machines will start spitting out parts, which a robot will assemble. There will always be some parts you can't make, like CPU chips, with a reasonable set of machines. Those you go buy, but 90% self-made and 10% bought beats 100% bought.

    14. Re:Car by Professr3 · · Score: 1

      and then you'll be Tony Stark

    15. Re:Car by johnsnails · · Score: 1

      i want to download the box set of the office... is that too much to ask?

    16. Re:Car by Kokuyo · · Score: 1

      I'm sure you're trying to be funny here, but I'd bet money that a lot of science-fictiony inventions will indeed come out of such private tinkering labs instead of professional ones, once we have the technology to build them ;).

    17. Re:Car by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      We still need a way to rapidly create and populate/solder PCBs though. Once we have that fully open source electronics will come to the masses, as will pirate copies of just about everything. The lack of electronics fab capability is holding us back at the moment.

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    18. Re:Car by geoffaus · · Score: 1

      I want to download Tea, Earl Grey, Hot!

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    19. Re:Car by DanielRavenNest · · Score: 1

      Aside from Stark living in a comic book universe and being impossibly smart, what he was doing is no different than a million other people with a home workshop in their garage. He just has a nicer workshop.

    20. Re:Car by Thing+1 · · Score: 1
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    21. Re:Car by Ogi_UnixNut · · Score: 1

      Preferably something with an actual usable interface, and not something I want as little to with as possible. ;)

      Snarkiness aside, I am aware of thingiverse, I just don't like the interface and layout of the website, especially as it does not seem to have a concept of categories. Or if it does I can't find where in the mess of an UI. Navigating the site is an exercise in futility.

      Or am I missing something?

    22. Re:Car by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      I'm not a site author or maintainer; I think you will have better luck querying them.

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    23. Re:Car by Ogi_UnixNut · · Score: 1

      I thought you might be a user at least, and therefore would have some insight on navigating the site for someone just joining. No problem though, thanks for responding :)

    24. Re:Car by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      Sure thing! (Pun unintentional, but noticed. :) I'm not yet a user, but with the new Makerbot thing being only $2k and not needing any assembly, I might be one soon. :)

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  2. Wow... by AngryDeuce · · Score: 5, Funny

    Those "You wouldn't download a car, would you?" warnings on the beginning of DVD's are going to be funny when people actually are downloading cars...

    For the record, I totally would.

    1. Re:Wow... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You wouldn't trace a Caliburn

    2. Re:Wow... by robot256 · · Score: 2

      How about the plans to a Ford Model T or Model A ? Should be in the public domain by now....

      Not if they were never published. Trade secrets can stay that way forever. I forget what the law says about leaked trade secrets, though.

    3. Re:Wow... by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 2

      Fuck that. We can design our own Open Source car!

    4. Re:Wow... by AngryDeuce · · Score: 2

      Fuck that. We can design our own Open Source car!

      I'm so gonna cruise around in The Homer...

    5. Re:Wow... by Arancaytar · · Score: 5, Funny

      It'll have twenty times the gas mileage of any commercial car and be completely impervious to theft, but steerable only via console commands.


      user@car$ left 30
      user@car$ right 30
      user@car$ speed 90
      user@car$ braek
      braek: command not found
      user@car$ BRAKE
      BRAKE: command not found
      user@car$ brake
      The program 'brake' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing:
      sudo apt-get install brake

      (Unless it's an Ubuntu car, in which case it will have a colorful and animated dashboard that will completely change form twice a year.)

    6. Re:Wow... by Solandri · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is why this fight over copyrights is so crucial to the future of humanity. The resolution has to be that the cost of a copyrighted product is somewhat proportional to [ (production cost / number of sales) + distribution cost ]. That doesn't happen if the copyright holder has a monopoly. If we allow it to continue to be (production cost * constant) for a single purchase like it currently is, millions if not billions of innovative and useful products are going to be locked up behind copyright for 130+ years. Human technological progress is going to continue at its current pace, instead of skyrocketing into a new creative renaissance because the benefits of near-zero cost of duplication will primarily go towards lining the pockets of copyright holders rather than making useful products widely available to the public.

      Either the capacity to profit from copyright has to scale inversely with number of sales (legally force prices to be lowered as sales increase), or the term has to be shortened to where good designs enter the public domain quickly so all can benefit from it. The goal here is to maximize net benefit to society. That sits between the two extremes of giving the public everything for free, and maximizing profit for the copyright holder. Unfortunately the two most popular views on copyright seem to sit at those extremes.

    7. Re:Wow... by mutube · · Score: 3, Funny

      (Unless it's an Ubuntu car, in which case it will have a colorful and animated dashboard that will completely change form twice a year.)

      And they'll change the order of the pedals.

    8. Re:Wow... by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      If you invent something you have a choice. You can patent it, which gives you exclusivity for a certain period of time in exchange for telling everyone exactly how it works, or you can keep it as a trade secret, which you're welcome to keep as long as you want but when someone else figures out how your invention works, or independently invents their own, you're SOL.

      Trade secrets have no protection whatsoever except being secret.

    9. Re:Wow... by Carnildo · · Score: 1

      Not if they were never published. Trade secrets can stay that way forever. I forget what the law says about leaked trade secrets, though.

      Trade secrets only stay secret until someone else figures them out. Trade secret law only limits what techniques can be used to get those secrets: reverse engineering and independent discovery are okay, while industrial espionage is not. Since there are plenty of Model Ts out in the wild, it's perfectly okay to measure one and create a set of blueprints from it.

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    10. Re:Wow... by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

      How about the plans to a Ford Model T or Model A ? Should be in the public domain by now....

      Not if they were never published. Trade secrets can stay that way forever. I forget what the law says about leaked trade secrets, though.

      /. karma rule #312: "I forget" is much more Interesting, Insightful and even Informative than "I don't know".

    11. Re:Wow... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Fuck that. We can design our own Open Source car!

      There has never been anything to stop you from designing an open source car. Good luck actually producing it on a 3D printer though.l

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    12. Re:Wow... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      The obvious solution to the copyright problem is to abolish so-called free market capitalism entirely and have everything communally owned. But I don't suppose the libertarians round here would be too happy with that.

      In the meantime, why should some people be forced to release their creations for little or no money for everyone's benefit, while billionairres can live off rents and traders can generate huge amounts of money just by moving it electronically from one computer to another and back again?

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    13. Re:Wow... by dthomas67 · · Score: 1

      Render to Cesar what is Cesar's. Let them keep their copyrighted stuff. Eventually the opensource products will gain traction, and will become as premium as commercial. Look at Wikipedia versus Encarta. Here are a few opensource automobiles that are out there right now: The Oscar project: http://www.theoscarproject.org/; The RiverSimple: http://www.riversimple.com/ . It will never be "free." Material and labor still cost resources. But it will cheaper without the non-value-added, golden-parachute, corporate mentality. -- Lead, Follow, or Get Out Of The Way.

    14. Re:Wow... by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      I saw an interesting thought experiment here a few days ago: "do you think the aliens will respect our financial instruments?" I see the same essential thought experiment with copyright, and come to the same essential conclusions.

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    15. Re:Wow... by Eponymous+Hero · · Score: 1

      would be funny if the warnings really said download but they actually say you wouldn't steal a car...

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    16. Re:Wow... by RamenJunkie · · Score: 1

      I don't know that we need to abolish copyright completely, but we need to overhaul and dump all of this crap around "other owners" and copyrights which last forever. copyrights should last, maybe 20 years max. they should be either non transferable, so the original creator is the only one who can manage it, or it needs to be set up so you can sell the "rights" but the original creator always retains rights that trump any subsidiary rights holder. This would solve the problem in music of artists who get screwed by their labels. They can just take their creations and take it elsewhere, for example. copyright should also never ever extend beyond the life of the creator. None of this selling to some corporate entity which holds it indefinitely long after the original beneficiary has died. This includes children of the creator. Not to discount a person's want to help their kids, but maybe their kids need to find their own way.

  3. illegal items, eh? by negrace · · Score: 1

    How about a statue of a man resembling Steve Jobs?

    1. Re:illegal items, eh? by firex726 · · Score: 1

      Really is scary.
      Illegal shapes.

    2. Re:illegal items, eh? by Truekaiser · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Shapes are already illegal. Look at what apple is trying to do to samsung's galaxy s phones and tablets.

  4. 3D printers == sex toys industry by tekrat · · Score: 5, Funny

    What's the first thing with any new tech? Porn! So, 3D printers will be used to make sex toys.

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    1. Re:3D printers == sex toys industry by Dyinobal · · Score: 3, Funny

      So what next, DRM on a vibrator? Oh boy I bet that could get frustratingly interesting.

    2. Re:3D printers == sex toys industry by Skarecrow77 · · Score: 5, Funny

      cheap 3d scanners would make this the next, frightening, landscape in "sexting".

      Not content to send each other pictures of their genitals, teens will soon be sending each other schematics for them.

    3. Re:3D printers == sex toys industry by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      Google 'the plaster caster'.

      There is nothing new under the sun.

      IIRC she was considering selling replicas of her 'rock star' collection.

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    4. Re:3D printers == sex toys industry by RoboRay · · Score: 1

      Can you print that a little bigger?

    5. Re:3D printers == sex toys industry by Thud457 · · Score: 1

      This is so old, XKCD covered it

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    6. Re:3D printers == sex toys industry by Pope · · Score: 1

      Nitpicking XKCD because he doesn't think that 3D printers can be in a gag comic? Dude needs to get a life, and pronto.

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    7. Re:3D printers == sex toys industry by sootman · · Score: 3, Funny

      > 3D printers 8==D sex toys industry

      Fixed your subject for you.

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    8. Re:3D printers == sex toys industry by WalkingBear · · Score: 1

      It's already on the market. Debeers makes millions a year selling them. They're called Wedding Rings.

    9. Re:3D printers == sex toys industry by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 2

      I can see it now...

      1. Scan
      2. Enlarge 50%
      3. Send to random lady
      4. ???
      5. PROFIT!

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    10. Re:3D printers == sex toys industry by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2

      Wedding rings are anti-sex toys. You mean engagement rings.

    11. Re:3D printers == sex toys industry by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Ha, the rant was almost as funny as the comic. I guess he hasn't seen any of the penis enlargement ads with the animated GIF of a penis growing....

    12. Re:3D printers == sex toys industry by proverbialcow · · Score: 1

      I bet the first "killer app" renders the privates of your favorite porn star (modeled from various shots in a video, including elasticity).

      I need to get out more.

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  5. Careful, now... by Jawnn · · Score: 2

    In some states, certain shapes may only be downloaded as an "adult novelty item".

  6. Re:*Gazing into crystal ball* by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

    Those aren't illegal... Did I miss something?

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  7. Re:How would you register a downloaded car? by AngryDeuce · · Score: 1

    Cue the people breaking walking down the streets with a notepad copying down VINs for sale on the black market...

  8. Fissible? by Fast+Thick+Pants · · Score: 3, Funny

    I wanna download an A-bomb!

    1. Re:Fissible? by robot256 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I wanna download an A-bomb!

      Won't do you any good unless you can find a plutonium ink cartridge.

    2. Re:Fissible? by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 5, Funny

      Still cheaper than HP's price on cyan.

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    3. Re:Fissible? by AngryDeuce · · Score: 1

      +1 to you, fine sir!

    4. Re:Fissible? by mindcandy · · Score: 1

      Actually those are done pretty similarly, but in reverse. Blocks of PBX are CNC machined to achieve the precise geometry required for an implosion.

    5. Re:Fissible? by mykepredko · · Score: 1

      Big, Big laugh.

      Thank you!

    6. Re:Fissible? by Trogre · · Score: 1

      If you can print a few used pinball machine parts you should be okay.

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  9. Not Turtles by Lectoid · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's dildos all the way down.

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  10. Re:How would you register a downloaded car? by oPless · · Score: 1

    Solution: Just make them up!

  11. LPs by slim · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I look forward to being able to download a 3D model of an LP, that I can play on my turntable. Take that, RIAA!

    1. Re:LPs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This guy is doing it:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElAJJnSvQtk&feature=youtu.be

  12. The future comes, are we ready by PerlJedi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This calls to mind Corey Doctorow's short story "Printcrime".

    1. Re:The future comes, are we ready by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Informative

      What is this, Slashdot for the illiterates? How about a link to the story, instead of some weird robot thing reading it for you? Still, at least we now have evidence that illiteracy actually is a job requirement for working at Slashdot...

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    2. Re:The future comes, are we ready by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Well, DMCA notices have been sent to sites carrying the 3D shapefiles to have them removed, so ...

      http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/04/the-next-napster-copyright-questions-as-3d-printing-comes-of-age.ars

    3. Re:The future comes, are we ready by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 2

      That's an awesome story.

    4. Re:The future comes, are we ready by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 1

      He wanted to get another printer at the end of the story, so obviously other people did have them.

    5. Re:The future comes, are we ready by PerlJedi · · Score: 1

      Sorry. You're link is better, I just grabbed the first link I saw after googling for "Printcrime Corey Doctorow".

    6. Re:The future comes, are we ready by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      In that case, I'd recommend getting a better search engine. That was the top hit on DuckDuckGo for 'printcrime'. Not being able to spell Cory might have caused you to get bad results, but DDG still manages to have it in the top for your query. Amusingly, this page is now the third link...

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    7. Re:The future comes, are we ready by b0bby · · Score: 1

      Hadn't heard of duckduckgo somehow, going to give it a shot. Thanks!

    8. Re:The future comes, are we ready by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      Of course not. He was a run-of-the-mill copyright infringer. He is unrepentant after being punished. He doubles down and actively pushes and spreads the tools of infringement. He not only continues to print copyrighted material but also makes and distributes printers. The moral is that you can't govern people with tanks, I mean, brutal and disproportionate imprisonment. They will only push back even harder. Well, some of them.

      The fact that the girl couldn't print something out to fix the stuff around her house? She didn't print anything because it was illegal. It's kind of the point of the dystopian future where copyright runs (further) amok. When push came to shove she cowered down, suffered the burden of not being able to fix her own stuff, and didn't get brutally arrested like her father.

    9. Re:The future comes, are we ready by Bradmont · · Score: 1

      It's pretty solidly in the vein of scifi stories looking at the potential of a new or upcoming technology, like all those stories written in the 50's about computers and robots. The point isn't that nobody in the fictional universe had ever thought of the idea before, it was to explore a possibility that the *reader* would not have thought of or ben aware of. The idea of self-replicating creation machines is pretty revolutionary, and even now as they're becoming more and more available, it's an idea that the majority of people will not have thought/heard of. Not to mention the social commentary...

    10. Re:The future comes, are we ready by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      That's an awesome story.

      Yeah, if you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - because of copyright infringement - forever.

      Fucking risible.

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    11. Re:The future comes, are we ready by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Hadn't heard of duckduckgo somehow, going to give it a shot. Thanks!

      Amazing, it's fucking astroturfed enough on slashdot.

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  13. Malware? by AngryDeuce · · Score: 5, Funny

    Download what is supposed to be a car, end up with a literal bag of dicks...this is gonna bring trolling to a whole new level!

    1. Re:Malware? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dickroll. I'm just gonna throw that out there.

    2. Re:Malware? by Flipstylee · · Score: 1

      I've not laughed til i cried in awhile, the bag of dicks would be the bee's knees, THINK OF THE IMPLICATIONS!

    3. Re:Malware? by mykepredko · · Score: 1

      That's nothing compared to a life size, 3D version of...

      Goats.ex

      My wife is still tramautized by the first time she saw *that*.

      myke

    4. Re:Malware? by jank1887 · · Score: 1

      even better, it would be more subtle. you'd download what you think is a car. It would print as a car. But the gear shift was a phallus. or there was something else you wouldn't notice until it was built, like a 1 or 2-build layer thick embossing on the dashboard. Either way, you wouldn't notice until you built the whole thing, and maybe not even then if it was clever enough.

    5. Re:Malware? by gknoy · · Score: 1

      Someone will load in some cookie batter and have a dickerdoodle machine.

  14. About time by scribblej · · Score: 1

    Thingiverse has already suffered several takedowns of allegedlycopyrighted materials.

    Also, they recently overhauled their site, and somhow made it EVEN WORSE, when it was already pretty intolerable.

    1. Re:About time by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      To be fair, there are some fascinating pics of brightly coloured plastic widgets on that site. I'm going to sell my house and buy a 3D printer to build a new one tomorrow. It'll be like living in Legoland.

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  15. Re:How would you register a downloaded car? by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That's the one thing I'm not sure of. I'm all for downloading one, but where can I get a VIN to make it street legal?

    This is the least of your concerns -- people do build their own cars in garages and there are procedures in place to register those cars. The real problem with downloading a car is that Detroit will join Hollywood in attacking new technologies rather than updating their business model.

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  16. Re:How would you register a downloaded car? by vlm · · Score: 3, Informative

    That's the one thing I'm not sure of. I'm all for downloading one, but where can I get a VIN to make it street legal?

    In most states you'll not be surprised to learn there is a form and a nominal fee to have the state assign you one.

    Happens ALL the time for homemade custom boat trailers and to a much lesser extent homemade motorcycles and cars.

    Its not usually much of an issue. "Red states" stereotypically seem to have a half page form and want like $5, "Blue states" stereotypically seem to have a 30 page form and want $100, but its always possible...

    The biggest "problem" you'll encounter is most states have a certain location, size, and technique required to permanently deface the vehicle with the new VIN. Usually engraving a part of the frame meets the legal obligation, but how you engrave the frame ranges from "hold my beer and watch what I do with a dremel" all the way up to strange photoetching techniques.

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  17. Re:How would you register a downloaded car? by AvitarX · · Score: 1

    This will probably help to prevent it from being used for cars for a while (heavy lobbying to think of the children's safety I would suspect).

    Anything with a radio will go the same way (FCC). I expect there to be a field day of regulatory capture in general if complex 3D printing becomes possible.

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  18. Re:So... by egcagrac0 · · Score: 1

    Forget that. I want to download Summer Glau.

  19. cue the forbidden stuff by hey · · Score: 1

    - Lock picks
    - That crowbar-like tool for breaking into cars
    - bombs
    - guns
    - drug pipes
    - micky mouse ears
    etc

    1. Re:cue the forbidden stuff by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 2

      - That crowbar-like tool for breaking into cars

      This is commonly called a Slim Jim, and owning one is not illegal. (At least not where I live.)
      When I was young I worked for an auto detailer, and one of the suppliers I dealt with had entire kits in his truck. I found my hand made stuff was better.

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    2. Re:cue the forbidden stuff by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      With the materials of 3d printers, guns would explode on the first shot. Bombs would be really pointless, as any container will do - the explosives and the electronics are the skilled part. You can count the rest though, and I'd add warhammer figures and other counterfeit merchandise, replacement car components and imitation brand-name jewelry (Just add gold paint!) as potential illicit uses.

    3. Re:cue the forbidden stuff by GospelHead821 · · Score: 2

      It would be pointless to forbid Warhammer figures. Some players are more or less serious about supporting the games companies and therefore more or less serious about proxying. I'm sure you'd find, however, that any generic toy soldier models could be printed in quantity. Communities will evolve that use entire proxy sets and just agree, by convention, which generic models correspond to which Warhammer models. Of course, you could do this with ordinary, plastic toy soldiers now but that's not quite as satisfying. If you can replace your copyrighted Dwarven Axe Berserkers with creative commons Dwarfish Adze Maniacs, you retain most of the flavour that makes the original models so fun.

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    4. Re:cue the forbidden stuff by W.+Justice+Black · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ...and the one that gets you busted is the Mickey Mouse ears.

      5 years for pirating a Michael Jackson CD
      4 years for killing Michael Jackson
      Seriously :-(

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    5. Re:cue the forbidden stuff by Sparton · · Score: 2

      Two things: tournaments, and cost.

      I think most official tournaments require at least X% of a model be a GW model (allowing for green stuff modifications, small addons, etc). With 3D printers, you could print out everything, and there's probably no way in hell that Games Workshop could call you on it (possible excuses to not look like the real models: I modded it, it came damaged like that, I mixed bits, etc). Since GW has been slowly moving towards making damn near everything plastic instead of pewter, there's nothing stopping anyone from just printing most of (if not their their entire) army out.

      The other extremely important vector is cost. Once 3D printers catch on, there's no way $20 blisters, $40 large models, $60+ unit boxes, etc will compete with the alternatives of 3D printing the actual designs (and don't you worry, the designs will circulate no matter what anyone tries to do). GW marks these suckers up (more in places like Canada, bastards), and I'm fairly certain it's where they make most of their money. Not even casual players could ignore this, and they can keep the same designs that everyone else uses, with probably no one who'd call them on it the wiser.

      Once they can't guarantee profits from models... where are they going to make their money? Paints are easily substituted, rulebooks are few and far between for most players, scenery could be bought for a fraction of the cost elsewhere or made by hand... their entire business model will need to be rethought from the ground up.

    6. Re:cue the forbidden stuff by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      You can make a lock pick with a pair of pliers. You can make a slim jim (the crowbar-like tool) with a pair of tin snips or even wire cutters. Micky mouse ears with scissors.

      The others are silly.

    7. Re:cue the forbidden stuff by hitmark · · Score: 1

      from around a table at a future maximum security prison:

      "so what are you all in for?"

      "murder"
      "pedophilia"
      "copyright violation"
      "back well away guys, that one is dangerous"

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  20. Or, along this vein, What about a bust of by bdwoolman · · Score: 3, Funny

    Rick Astley?

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  21. offensive by JigJag · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The mere idea that there is such a thing as an illegal shape is offensive.

    JigJag

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    1. Re:offensive by twotacocombo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You mean like the German ban of public display of the hakenkreuz?

    2. Re:offensive by JigJag · · Score: 1

      Do they also ban possession? Because no-one here is talking about public display (no offense meant).

      JigJag

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    3. Re:offensive by Tom · · Score: 4, Informative

      Twitter-level knowledge does not entitle one to spread bullshit around.

      You are talking about Â86 StGB, though you've almost certainly never heard about nor read it.

      There is extensive literature on the reasoning behind, the legality of and the exceptions allowed by this Â. It is not that the shape is illegal. In fact, to this day you find the symbol in all kinds of places, embedded in architecture and the like. No one has ever gone to clean it up. It is also in public display at museums, in history books, etc. etc. etc.

      But, you know, we kind of felt like not wanting to have the symbols of an evil cult that caused the death of some 50 mio. or so people around. The guys who wrote the law knew about trolls even though the Internet wasn't yet invented.

      It's a good law and very few people inside Germany would want it removed. And to the best of my knowledge, nobody who isn't a Nazi has ever been convicted on it.

      Oh, and before you start the usual bullshit about how the USA is so much better and has Free Speech, you should know one more detail about german history: Those early laws of the modern Germany were written shortly after the war, and were massively influenced by the Allies, mostly the Americans.

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    4. Re:offensive by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Any particular reason you can't call it a swastika so that we know what you're talking about? Ah, of course, you're going for the "but it's a sacred Hindu symbol as well as the badge of the Nazis" sympathy vote.

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    5. Re:offensive by twotacocombo · · Score: 1

      Wow, lots of jumping to conclusions around here. They make a mat for that now, you know...

      Perhaps I referred to it as the Hakenkreuz, or "Hooked Cross", because that's what the Germans call it? As opposed to every other version of the non-nazified swastika, which isn't banned by any laws that I'm aware of.

  22. Re:So... by vlm · · Score: 1

    When can I download Jenna Haze?

    So you point your 3-d printer's camera at the QR code on the Jenna centerfold, little do you know I stuck a sticker over the real code, and your 3-d printer squirts out (ewww) Mr Goatse...

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  23. Interesting implications for porn by parallel_prankster · · Score: 1

    You know you could download life size porn dolls or something. Maybe send a picture out of someone and it would send you a physible to make a look alike!!

    1. Re:Interesting implications for porn by rdebath · · Score: 1

      What about half size porn dolls ...

    2. Re:Interesting implications for porn by parallel_prankster · · Score: 1

      which half are we talking about?

    3. Re:Interesting implications for porn by rdebath · · Score: 1

      Both, just half size all over ... interesting times.

      It's like "poser movies", if the thing that's distributed is just a "text description" it cannot be illegal. But feed it into the machine and things change, except no one would ever know and so once again the law is an ass.

    4. Re:Interesting implications for porn by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      What about half size porn dolls ...

      Why, exactly?

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  24. Not made in China! by na1led · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wow, I can finally own stuff not made in China!

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    1. Re:Not made in China! by caseih · · Score: 2

      And at only 10-100 times the cost!

    2. Re:Not made in China! by NonUniqueNickname · · Score: 1

      Step 1 - Buy a made-in-China 3D printer.
      Step 2 - Disassemble the printer and model all its parts in 3D.
      Step 3 - Re-assemble the printer and print all the parts.
      Step 4 - Assemble your very own not-made-in-China 3D printer.
      Step 5 - ...
      Step 6 - Profit!

    3. Re:Not made in China! by DriveDog · · Score: 1

      Ah, my stained glass class teacher noted that, but that the perceived value lies in having a one-of-a-kind handcrafted item. So... some items are difficult or too time-consuming to bother making by hand, but the gap between hand-crafted and mass produced is rather wide, and will be filled by one-off/a few-off 3D prints. Much as I dislike paying the car dealer for a replacement plastic clip that holds the sun visor in place on my 13 year old vehicle, the $5 is certainly cheap compared to my time/effort/materials to print one, even if handed the design file. OTOH, a knob from the dash of my (I wish) Corvette XP-882 4 rotor Wankel powered prototype probably can't be had from any parts bin on the planet, so digital printing (or milling) one beats carving it manually. Imagine trying to convince people that the knob really is supposed to be eccentrically mounted and not quite round.

    4. Re:Not made in China! by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      my stained glass class teacher

      How long have you had to wait to be able to drop that gem into the conversation here?

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    5. Re:Not made in China! by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      You should take a look at Germany products. Go to a German supermarket like Lidl or Aldi and you can get good quality products for about the same or a little more than the Chinese ones. Germany actually exports more than China does.

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  25. Re:*Gazing into crystal ball* by SuricouRaven · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Actually, in some US states, they are illegal to sell or to posess in quantity. Texas and Alabama at least, and I believe quite a few more, have made the sale of sex toys a criminal offence. I'm not going to google the details from work, look it up yourself. That's one reason you'll often see them sold as 'novelty' items: The manufacuters maintain some facade of them not really being what they are, knowing that most of the time the police have more important laws to enforce. Every now and again some local politician orders a crackdown to win the Family Values voters over.

  26. Print your own stuff. by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was discussing this with my brother about a year back. We were in the store looking at this warhammer stuff, and I remarked that these dye-cast figures aren't any more complicated (probably less so) than hotwheels. Yet peopel are paying $5 a piece for them, or getting special sets of "rare" pieces for over $50. I was saying that eventually people would just be printing their own models on 3D printers. I guess the future is here. And good for it. I always thought some of these games were a little odd. Things like Magic Cards. Who-ever spends the most on their deck has a huge advantage over everyone else. Sure there's skill involved at some level, in knowing which cards to put in the deck in the first place, but a lot of it is spending money obtaining that deck. I would be like playing chess, where one player had all queens because he had spent a bunch of money.

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    1. Re:Print your own stuff. by TheSpoom · · Score: 1

      People are printing their own Magic cards now (they're called "proxies" and are actually legal in certain quantities in certain tournaments). Put a printed card in a solid-backed sleeve and it's functionally identical to the real thing. I'm sure Wizards of the Coast don't like it but meh.

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    2. Re:Print your own stuff. by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      ROTFL its amusing that you say they are doing it NOW.

      I came into Magic around the end of 4th edition, and the practice was already standard and accepted. Of course, we normally did it by taking a land card and writting the name of the card it was a proxy for.

      Tournament rules have generally required (has this changed) that you be able to produce the original card for each proxy, because clearly, owning the physical card is what makes it ok. We can't have just anyone using any card you know.

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    3. Re:Print your own stuff. by nitio · · Score: 1

      Though it's interesting why one cannot use proxies by claiming (and proving, obviously) that it's owned in MTGO/MOL

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    4. Re:Print your own stuff. by daid303 · · Score: 1

      http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:16350 quality is not really there yet. But people are working on it. Fun fact, it's not a model from the game it's for. It's a WoW model used for a board game. Not really legal I guess, but it seems to work.

    5. Re:Print your own stuff. by TheSpoom · · Score: 1

      I wasn't suggesting it was a new practice.

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  27. Movie rental by backslashdot · · Score: 1

    Why doesn't someone offer a legal online movie rental service that's ultra cheap ... way cheaper than iTunes or even netflix.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine

    "The first-sale doctrine is a limitation on copyright that was recognized by the Supreme Court of the United States in 1908 (see Bobbs-Merrill Co. v. Straus) and subsequently codified in the Copyright Act of 1976, 17 U.S.C. 109. The doctrine allows the purchaser to transfer (i.e., sell, lend or give away) a particular lawfully made copy of the copyrighted work without permission once it has been obtained. This means that the copyright holder's rights to control the change of ownership of a particular copy ends once ownership of that copy has passed to someone else, as long as the copy itself is not an infringing copy. This doctrine is also referred to as the "right of first sale," "first sale rule," or "exhaustion rule.""

    This should means that a store can buy a movie and rent it out online for as little as 25 cents .. as long as it does not retain a copy. How is that feasible as a business model? Simple .. do it the similar to how DVD rental kiosks work. Temporarily authorize the credit card for the full price of the movie --say ..19.95 .. then when the rental period is over .. "buy back" the full movie for $19.70 .. This would make it possible to legally rent out movies for dirt cheap. In theory movie companies shouldn't get overly pissed off at the concept either because they can always either increase the price of the first sale and they can expect more movie watching and growth for the industry.

    1. Re:Movie rental by WillerZ · · Score: 1

      Because http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_card#Costs_to_merchants means the merchant owes the card company at least $0.40 (1% of two $20 transactions) and more likely $1.20. Add postage, packing and the cost of paying employees to unpack and refile the discs and record which customer has returned them and you're probably looking at $5 per cycle before you break even.

      Frankly I'm amazed netflix et al are profitable at the prices they charge.

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    2. Re:Movie rental by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      because they wouldn't make enough money to make it worth it. Redbox is about at the floor of cost at $1/day. Even with all the automation you have to pay people to stock the machines, you get damaged disks from wear and tear, no one rental caused the issue so you can't charge it back to the last renter. You have to pay the cost of the machines, and the maintenance on them.
      Honestly I'm surprised that Redbox is profitable at $1/day. All it takes is someone damaging your machine and you're back in the hole.
      -nB

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  28. Re:How would you register a downloaded car? by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    That is the hard way.

    The easy way. go to a junkyard and buy the registration and Vin plate from a car to be crushed or the frame/body of one.. Yes you can do this.

    Attach the vin plate to your car, register the car with the old title you had signed over to you.

    It's listed as a "salvage title" but who cares. It's how I got my sand rail on the road legally without all the stupid safety engineering testing that Michigan has for experimental vehicle registration. IT was registered as a VW bug.

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  29. 3D Printer by Karlb · · Score: 3, Funny

    I don't own a 3D printer, so I think the first item i'd download is one of them!

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    1. Re:3D Printer by PSVMOrnot · · Score: 4, Informative
  30. Beyond plastics by mindcandy · · Score: 1

    When this technology matures to include ceramics and sintered metals that can be fired to produce an object OTHER than red plastic, I can imagine a lot more sinister uses .. guns for example.

    1. Re:Beyond plastics by b0bby · · Score: 1

      There are also machines which can laser sinter titanium - they use them for airplane parts and such. You won't be doing that with your makerbot or reprap anytime soon, but it's out there already.

    2. Re:Beyond plastics by compro01 · · Score: 1

      The technology has been around since 1990. Check out selective laser sintering.

      The fact that you could buy several houses for the price of said machines is a minor detail.

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  31. Re:How would you register a downloaded car? by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Blue states" stereotypically seem to have a 30 page form and want $100, but its always possible...

    Yeah but 20 pages of that are questions like "How does this car effect the aura of the driver?" and "Is there any possibility that this car could create a hostile work environment for a LGBT or minority?"

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  32. Re:*Gazing into crystal ball* by Jeng · · Score: 1

    Much like the laws against tattooing in some states, they aren't enforced.

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  33. Star Trek replicators by JeanCroix · · Score: 1
    As a kid, I remember thinking how difficult it would be to invent a replicator due to the science involved.

    As an adult, I realize how difficult it would be to invent a replicator due to the IP law involved.

    You think SOPA/PIPA are bad, just wait until the likes of Nike, McDonalds, and deBeers get involved...

  34. Lol, you suck at business by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First off, what is your credit card processing fee? There is a reason Apple isn't laughing all of the way to the bank with iTunes but the credit companies ARE laughing their ass off. It all depends on your size and your risks (chargebacks) but gosh darn, you might be suprised that your 25 cent fee ends up mostly at the credit card company. That is nobody does a charge back and you have to pay anywhere up from ten bucks for it. With your 25 cents, 1 chargeback costs you 40 paying customers, well it would IF you could use all their quarters to pay for the 1 chargeback, which you can't because other things will have to payed from it as I already stated.

    Further more, you say the movie costs 20 bucks, even if rentals worked like that, which they don't, you need 80 paying customers (IF you could keep the entire quarter) just to break even. Meanwhile, your entire legal case rests on the fact that there is only ONE copy around for each possesion, so if 80 customers want the same movie at the same time, you need 80 x 20 bucks to satisfy demand. Now you need a total of 640 paying customers... IF you could keep the entire quarter which once again, you cannot.

    I keep hammering on this because a lot of noobs to business think that money is free. You sell something and everything the customer pays, ends up in your pocket. Transaction costs HURT many a small business and is the reason you can't buy a nickle item with a credit card.

    The most annoying thing is that this doesn't have to be the case, in the EU payments systems are far far cheaper per transaction, on the order of cents rather then quarters and are even free. Whenever I have to implement a CC solution because people in the EU thinks it will mean the world I find it very amusing to show them the fee structures. It is like telling a baby how their candy will be taken.

    Oh, and those transaction costs, you have them DOUBLE. Two transactions... all to be payed out of 1 quarter dollar along with all your other costs.

    You should put this in a business case and present it at your bank. They need a good laugh.

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    1. Re:Lol, you suck at business by amoeba1911 · · Score: 2

      Please, don't be such a pompous head just because you know about credit card transaction fees. The poor schmuck has a good idea, and he's trying to think outside of the box. Just because you're used to a world that works in a certain fixed way doesn't mean that's the only way the world can work.

      I have paid 25 cents with a credit card before. I pay with credit card all the time and I don't like carrying loose change with me. If something costs 25 cents + tax, that means you'll be getting back about two quarters, two dimes and three pennies. I don't want all that loose change around me.

      As for getting around the "per transaction fees", one can easily avoid them by making the users purchase "points" where you have to buy in $10 increments minimum. You can encourage less transactions with bigger value by providing a small extra bonus when the user buys in bigger increments: 10 points for $10, 110 points for $100. Suddenly, you can have something that costs only 10 cents and the transaction fees will not hurt you.

      Personally, I think backslashdot's idea is great, but the movie rental movie business is filled with incumbents who will pull every string to make sure you have almost no chance at creating a competition for them.

    2. Re:Lol, you suck at business by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Please, don't be such a pompous head just because you know about credit card transaction fees. The poor schmuck has a good idea, and he's trying to think outside of the box. Just because you're used to a world that works in a certain fixed way doesn't mean that's the only way the world can work.

      Anyone can have a "good business idea" if they're allowed to ignore reality. Credit card and bank charges can't just be handwaved away. It's like people who set up a "business" on ebay selling cheap crap and forget about the listing, paypal and p&p costs involved

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  35. Tea. by JoshDM · · Score: 1

    Earl Grey. Hot.

    1. Re:Tea. by Carnildo · · Score: 3, Funny

      And you'll get a cupful of liquid that is almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea.

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    2. Re:Tea. by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      And you'll get a cupful of liquid that is almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea.

      That's ok, I just wanted to use it as a Brownian motion generator.

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  36. ATM faceplates by PetiePooo · · Score: 1
  37. Well that and... by Brain-Fu · · Score: 3, Informative

    You cannot build a functional combustion engine out of any substance malleable enough to be usable by a cheap consumer-grade 3d printer.

    Cars require metal parts, and metal parts require more powerful equipment to forge.

    1. Re:Well that and... by AngryDeuce · · Score: 1

      Even so, this could blow the kit-car market wide open...

    2. Re:Well that and... by FrozenFood · · Score: 3, Informative

      get CAD file.

      send CAD file to CNC company instead of 3d printer $$$$$ for 4 cylinder engine block

      profit?

      people hail these 3D printers as something new. CNC lathes and milling machines have been doing this for decades. its just the materal is diffrent. you DO know you can send a cad/3d model to a company and they will make parts for you out of plastic/stainless/titanium, without inventing the words "3d printer"

    3. Re:Well that and... by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      But if you have access to a good machine shop you can print out a model of your engine in wax then create a sand mold off of that. You melt the wax out then pour the engine block in the sand. Then it just needs finished.

      Some machine shops that people have access to are much more complex than what Mr. Benz had access to.

    4. Re:Well that and... by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

      functional combustion engine

      On the other hand, it may not be terribly hard to:

      • Get an industrial electric engine
      • Get gears and wires from a hardware store
      • Fabricate the frame, interior, steering wheel, etc.

      I am leaving plenty of parts out, but the fact is that an electric car has a much simpler engine than internal combustion, and 3D printers could be used to fabricate many of the non-engine/frame/electrical parts of a car. I doubt people will be fabricating farm equipment or trucks, but it is not unreasonable to think that people might fabricate a small car for city driving.

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    5. Re:Well that and... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      get CAD file.

      send CAD file to CNC company instead of 3d printer $$$$$ for 4 cylinder engine block

      profit?

      people hail these 3D printers as something new. CNC lathes and milling machines have been doing this for decades. its just the materal is diffrent. you DO know you can send a cad/3d model to a company and they will make parts for you out of plastic/stainless/titanium, without inventing the words "3d printer"

      Unfortunately, the mental jump between 'cheap plastic printer' and 'Star Trek Replicator' gets a little entangled here in the cubits of Slashdot.

      If they saw it on TV once when they were 16, it had to be real, right?

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    6. Re:Well that and... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      No, you're not going to 'print' much. Sure, you can go to any moderately well staffed metal shop and have them copy a frame design, then go to a sheet metal shop and fabricate the body panels, likely use an off the shelf transmission package, then program all of the electronics you bought from Bosch.

      Then use your plastic printer to make the cupholders inside.....

      It's only one tiny little piece of the puzzle.

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    7. Re:Well that and... by Squiddie · · Score: 1

      True, but you might also be able to download molds for whole engines and things that are simply not milled. The fact that you can preserve these things means that cars will never go truly out of production because you will always be able to recreate them from digital files. I heard that the dies for the DeLorean are no longer with us, so no one will ever be able to make one that is a 'true' DeLorean. With this kind of thing, one will always be able to recreate these stamping dies and make a new car with the same specifications, even if it is a bit more expensive.

    8. Re:Well that and... by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Poster has a point: Most of what a 3D printer can do, a C&C machine could have done in metal. The advantage of 3d printing is that it is cheap, safe in inexperienced hands, compact and almost affordable: All things that C&C metalworking is not.

      I've played with a C&C plastic-cutting lathe before. Training model. Used it in university to make giant pawns.

    9. Re:Well that and... by FrozenFood · · Score: 1

      I dont think toyota is going to release 3d models of components and assemblies of their cars from the 80s/90s I would REALLY like them to.. its a nice thought, but its not going to happen. unless someone gets a car, takes it apart, turn all components into 3d models and assemblies, and sends those CAD files away to be made by a CNC company.

    10. Re:Well that and... by DriveDog · · Score: 1

      Thanks. Not to mention Orville and Wilbur, who cast their own aluminum engines back when aluminum hadn't been around very long in useful quantities at affordable prices. All that's really necessary is 1) time, and 2) determination.

      It might be the scanners who become persecuted, not just the sharers and uploaders. They can have my 3D scanner when they X-pry-X find it in my (mom's) basement...

    11. Re:Well that and... by imboboage0 · · Score: 1

      C&C = Command And Conquer, CNC = Computer Numerically Controlled. Hate to be a grammar nazi, but that one really bugged me... lol.

      With that out of the way... technically, a 3D printer is a CNC machine. It is not a lathe, mill, press, etc, but it is still CNC. Material removal machines have the drawback of requiring some sort of line of sight access to features you're trying to cut, whereas a 3D printer can just go layer by layer and fill in the parts.

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    12. Re:Well that and... by Ogi_UnixNut · · Score: 3, Interesting

      unless someone gets a car, takes it apart, turn all components into 3d models and assemblies, and sends those CAD files away to be made by a CNC company.

      What is wrong with that method? A lot of replica kit cars (like Lancia, Lamborghini's and Ferrari's) are done by buying (or if you're cheeky, renting) the car you want to replicate, strip it into parts, copy the components into 3D models (and reassemble & return the car if rented/borrowed).

      You then use the 3D models to fabricate the parts again. In the case of some kit cars (like the Lancia Stratos) the parts are 100% interchangeable with the original. In other cases the 3D models are adapted to fit a more common car (e.g. Ferrari F355 kit on a Toyota MR2 body).

      Interestingly I've not heard much about these kit car manufacturers being shut down, despite the cars being sold for profit and in many cases this has been done for decades. It seems that its legal to reverse engineer cars (or at least nobody has bothered to set precedent against).

    13. Re:Well that and... by sexconker · · Score: 1

      C&C = Command And Conquer, CNC = Computer Numerically Controlled. Hate to be a grammar nazi, but that one really bugged me... lol.

      Kane lives in death!

    14. Re:Well that and... by Cito · · Score: 1

      C&C Music Factory - Everybody Dance Now! they are making 3d models now :P

    15. Re:Well that and... by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Huh... all that time I heard it wrong, and never noticed.

    16. Re:Well that and... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      all that time I heard it wrong

      When you learn (or even speak English with a decent accent) to read the problem will go away.

      Actually, it will reverse itself: "Fish N Chips".

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    17. Re:Well that and... by binarybum · · Score: 1

      That's why I'm selling my old car to buy the "good" consumer grade 3d printer. I'll also use my good consumer grade printer to print cheap consumer grade 3d printers that I'll sell to the rest of y'all.

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    18. Re:Well that and... by DanielRavenNest · · Score: 1

      I doubt people will be fabricating farm equipment or trucks, but it is not unreasonable to think that people might fabricate a small car for city driving.

      Actually, they are fabricating farm equipment. You can download the plans at http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/LifeTrac

      Farm tractor is one of the first things Open Source Ecology built because the founder had a farm and a broken tractor. Eventually they will have a full range of machines. It's an ecology rather than a 3D printer because you need different machines for different tasks and materials. But the outputs from one machine feed into building the others in a network.

        I've made a drill press, and am starting on modular construction (because you need a place for the workshop), to be followed by a sawmill and other woodworking machines, to cover the whole tree --> finished wood products chain. The main OSE group is doing the metalworking and hydraulics side of things at the moment.

    19. Re:Well that and... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Even so, this could blow the kit-car market wide open...

      I'm sure that's great news for the dozen or so people who are into kit cars.

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    20. Re:Well that and... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Everyone here seems to think that they can just knock up a car model on their CAD program,buy the raw materials at cost, load up their printer and press a button, and viola a car for a couple of hundred quid.

      Like AI I'll believe it when I see it.

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    21. Re:Well that and... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      To make a "true" DeLorean you would also have to use the period electronics, tyres and suspension etc. In other words you'd end up with something that would feel old fashioned and actually quite crap in many ways . Just to re-create the external shape, though, wouldn't be that difficult as long as you had photographs.

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    22. Re:Well that and... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      The sort of people who buy a Ferrari lookalike kit and stick it on a Toyota with a crappy little engine are not the same people who would buy an original Ferrari, so as long as the kit cars aren't passing themselves off as genuine Ferraris, why should Ferrari care?

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    23. Re:Well that and... by imboboage0 · · Score: 1

      Wow... you admitted you were wrong and other people just start bashing you. Sorry I mentioned it in the first place... lol.

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    24. Re:Well that and... by Sedated2000 · · Score: 1

      Still, DMC in Humble Texas does just that and makes a decent living at it. You can update the parts of course, but nothing stops you from having one built with all original parts.

  38. Replicators! by Wireless+Joe · · Score: 1

    I'm excited to be that much closer to Star Trek-type replicators, even if we're still just a half-step into a long journey. Synthehol and hot Earl Grey tea, here I come!

    1. Re:Replicators! by CAPSLOCK2000 · · Score: 1

      I'll let you in on a little secret: "Earl Grey tea" is not some Sci-Fi invention but something you can buy in any supermarket right now!

    2. Re:Replicators! by radtea · · Score: 1

      I'm excited to be that much closer to Star Trek-type replicators,

      How exactly is the ability to download a file bringing us any closer to Star Trek-type replicators?

      We've been able to download files for decades.

      I also don't get why anyone would describe downloading a file as "physical item downloads". How is a file a physical item? Or is this some sort of marketing for idiots to confuse idiots who are too idiotic to grasp that neither file downloading nor 3D printing are particularly new, nor is the combination thereof.

      The only thing new here is that anyone is idiotic enough to describe downloading a file to drive a 3D printer as "physical item downloads". You'd pretty much have to be a /. editor to be that idiotic.

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    3. Re:Replicators! by DanielRavenNest · · Score: 1

      It's not new, it's just a new category for the Pirate Bay's stuff. Audio (music) files end up driving speakers. Video files end up driving your video card. 3D files end up driving some kind of 3D machine (rep-rap plastic extruder, CNC milling machine, etc). It's a useful category to put things in to help you find them. What is significant is that a popular site like TPB thinks it's time for a category like that.

  39. Re:Bad idea by AngryDeuce · · Score: 1

    could cause damage.

    Oh, I'm sure that's going to be harped on whether it's true or not. Far too much money in the parts market to allow Joe Blow to download his own replacement parts, even if they're are purely cosmetic, like screw covers...

  40. Inevitable, but more illegal stuff on the way? by chroma · · Score: 2

    Copyright and trademark infringement are common and this sort of thing has been a source of controversy for a while now.

    But the next big blowup will be over things that are illegal in themselves just by their shape and arrangement of parts. I'm talking about things like weapons, drug paraphernalia, and pathogens. It's likely we'll see a crackdown or at least a panic resulting in calls for licensure of many of the most useful creation tools ever designed.

    Take the humble AK-47 rifle, for example. It's designed for ease of manufacture, making it a likely target for replication. This makes enforcing highly restrictive gun laws very difficult in a world full of machines that can build them from simple raw materials.

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    1. Re:Inevitable, but more illegal stuff on the way? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      Look the AK-47 has been made in countries that can barely keep a car running. You don't need a 3D printer. Just a basic metal shop.

      3D printing is not the answer to most of the questions you guys are posing.

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    2. Re:Inevitable, but more illegal stuff on the way? by Squiddie · · Score: 1

      What's the big deal? It had to happen at some point, so we'll just have to find better ways to fight criminals. Plus I'm sure you can't manufacture ammunition like this, and who's to say that these guns will even take the stress of putting a round through them?

    3. Re:Inevitable, but more illegal stuff on the way? by b0bby · · Score: 1

      I would like to see a sintered titanium AK-47.

    4. Re:Inevitable, but more illegal stuff on the way? by WillAdams · · Score: 2

      Manufacturing ammunition is doable:

      http://www.amazon.com/Do-Yourself-Gunpowder-Cookbook/dp/0873646754/ref=tmm_pap_title_0

      and brass is easy to mill for cases or primer --- casting bullets is straight-forward enough.

      William

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    5. Re:Inevitable, but more illegal stuff on the way? by wormout · · Score: 1

      Except it doesn't. I'd like to see someone try firing a rifle made of the glorified Play Doh most of these 3D printers are capable of working with. At the moment and probably for the foreseeable future, the affordable models can only print toys and other stuff that doesn't have to take very much physical abuse.

    6. Re:Inevitable, but more illegal stuff on the way? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How about one individual part? There is a device available for AR-15 rifles called a lightning link. This device will turn it into a fully automatic weapon. Because of this, the small lightning link (about the size of 2 cigarettes) is classified as an automatic weapon on its own. Possession of this small thin piece of metal is a federal crime without proper authorization by the government. On its own, you couldn't even tell what this thing is, but it's still considered an automatic weapon.

      The future is already here...

    7. Re:Inevitable, but more illegal stuff on the way? by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      Thank you for this. I do not own and do not expect to own an AR15 but I may make one of these just so that I can violate Federal law in yet another way (if it is in fact true that possession of the part is illegal. If not I won't bother). And no, I won't make it out of ABS on a "3D printer".

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    8. Re:Inevitable, but more illegal stuff on the way? by chroma · · Score: 1

      You haven't seen the product of a high end machine.

      They can stand up to pretty demanding service, like rocket engines:

      http://blog.reprap.org/2011/06/paul-breed-of-unreasonable-rocket-fame.html

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  41. Re:*Gazing into crystal ball* by AngryDeuce · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They're selectively enforced. Believe me, if they need a reason to bust your ass and can't come up with anything else, they'll be perfectly happy to break out that shit if they need to.

  42. Cheap, low material cost, and high resolution? by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

    Do any of these low-cost 3D printers improve substantially on the 1.3mm resolution and 25/kg material costs that I've seen? If not the toy industry has nothing to worry about (yet).

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    1. Re:Cheap, low material cost, and high resolution? by daid303 · · Score: 1

      1.3mm resolution? You mean... 0.02mm? Because that's what people on the Ultimaker are getting. It's not the cheapest machine, but it has a high quality. 25/kg, that's just the price of the materials right now. The supply is low and the demand is growing fast, most shops cannot keep up with the demand. Prices might drop in the future. Still, it's a very low price compared to all the 3D printing alternatives. And you do know the prints are hollow? So you don't use a lot of materials in each print.

  43. "print-me-up-some-caltrops-please" by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

    Why do you want to hurt horses?

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    1. Re:"print-me-up-some-caltrops-please" by Pope · · Score: 1

      I only use caltrops against ninjas, you insensitive clod!

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    2. Re:"print-me-up-some-caltrops-please" by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      But my wizard needs hitpoints!

  44. Re:for a while by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Okay, we all like to play with our memes, (it's practically at that multi choice form), but isn't anyone seeing who else is really threatened?

    Try the Toy industry! In one sense, toys are "sorta stupid", just big hunks of plastic with the computing power of a watch.

    Bye bye $60 for some Sit and Spin thingie!

    Oh dear skies alive, having the TOY lawyers playing with the media lawyers? *Cringe*

    Plus this thing is gonna play hell with Patent vs. Copyright.

    "Oh, the patent expired? Let's copyright the Replicator Formula for 100 years!"

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  45. Re:Bad idea by Tmack · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The output of the 3d printers will be made of a completely different substance than the specialized car parts. The different substance will likely have different heat and pressure tolerances, different tensile strength, and so on. It probably won't work, and could cause damage.

    Maybe, but they would make a great pattern to build a mold so that the part could be reproduced with the proper materials.

    -Tm

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  46. 3D printers are not scary by Palpatine_li · · Score: 2

    DNA synthesizers are. Guess TPB is going to have seeds for Ebola sequence in ten years and soon be labeled a terrorist site after that.

  47. Why bother copying at all? by mark-t · · Score: 2

    I mean, why not start with, say, a basic template for that sort of figure, and add in your own detail with a 3d modelling program, and create an original figure that you can then "print" out and utilize? I mean, what on earth makes having a duplicate of that particular figure so worthwhile that one should be inclined to even *want* to copy it?

    I know if I had that sort of tech at home, I'd be making all kinds of customization to figures, rather than wanting to duplicate something that somebody else has done. And while granted, not everybody has the time or the inclination to want to do that sort of thing, I still find myself at a loss to understand why a person would rather copy something commercial than something somebody else might have made for free. Especially considering that home 3d printers generally can't actually do the kinds of fine detail that typically goes into metal figures of that size.

    1. Re:Why bother copying at all? by daid303 · · Score: 1

      This was just what the guy did. Or more, the problem that this started. He made his OWN models of look-a-likes of games workshop 40k machines. They where customizable, and they where not 100% copies of originals.

    2. Re:Why bother copying at all? by mark-t · · Score: 1

      If they are *HIS* models, then what right does Warhammer have to request their removal?

    3. Re:Why bother copying at all? by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      Assuming that the issue is infringement of the copyright on the things as sculpture, he was creating derivatives. That's one of the exclusive rights of the copyright owner. It's as if he took your novel, changed the names of a few characters, added a chapter, and published.

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    4. Re:Why bother copying at all? by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Were they *really* derivatives of any particular model? While clearly inspired by designs of Warhammer figures, inspiration from another work alone is not a sufficient basis for copyright infringement. If it were, Apple would have won their "look & feel" lawsuit against Microsoft before most of the general public had ever heard of Windows.

  48. Re:Nice non-story, Slashdot by SigmundFloyd · · Score: 1

    You didn't get it.

    The question is: What is TPB doing that's different from what they did yesterday? Hint: Nothing.

    What if they didn't "decide" to host 3D-printer files and I went there and uploaded one anyway? Hint: They would host it anyway.

    This is just sensationalism to wow the low-IQ masses, this is NOT news. "Nerds" should know better.

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  49. Ceramics? by way2trivial · · Score: 1

    I know
    A- Ceramic engines exist, and have lots of advantages over steel engines in the high end department
    B- Consumer grade printers can produce things out of ceramic

    real question is, what resolution is required....

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  50. Re:How would you register a downloaded car? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 4, Funny

    In order to balance out the force of partisan jokes, I ask of the red state forms include 'Does it have holders for beer and shotgun?' and 'Does it run on almighty Texas Tea, or Pathetic Lieberal 'Leccy?'

    Yours are funnier though. Bah. I need more tea to make jokes well.

  51. Re:Bad idea by tripleevenfall · · Score: 1

    So... what material will we be printing on, into which you can pour molten steel or iron?

  52. Games Work$hop legal dept... by xhrit · · Score: 3, Interesting

    About five years ago I was forced to abandon development of a project I started called 'Vassal 40k', under threat of legal action by Games Workshop. After I received the takedown request I deleted all files I had that pertained to the project, removed all links to it from sites I was hosting, and terminated the bit torrent seeds on my fileserver.

    A few minutes ago I found a torrent for Vassal 40k on Pirate Bay.

    Since I include complete source in all my distributions, it was easy for different people over the years to take over the project and add new stuff. Every few months while browsing the web I will find a video on youtube of people playing, or read a blog where someone has used it to write a battle report. Several times over the years I almost downloaded it. Then I imagine that having those files on my computer might be enough justification for armed men to kick down my door and take everything I own at gunpoint.

    The incident has left me with little desire to play Warhammer 40k, but I do not support the actions of Pirate Bay. As a developer I believe that the rights of copyright holders should be respected. I publish my personal projects under Open Source licenses and would be pretty mad if I found out someone was in violation. I honestly think that Vassal 40k, the project I spent months of my time coding, testing, and creating art for, should be taken down off Pirate Bay and people should never use it again.

    If Games Workshop does not want us spending our time developing games for their IP as fans, we shouldn't. Instead spend our time creating our own original open source game content as competitors.

  53. Re:How do you get starting with 3d printing by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

    Is there a good place to start for someone just wanting to get into 3d printing? What is the cost of printer and material?

    If I were you, I'd start with Google. Or Bing if you're one of those kinds of people.

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  54. Re:Nice non-story, Slashdot by Squiddie · · Score: 1

    I don't know, if you're implying you can download things from others' brains, then it would be cool if you could download mad guitar skills, or better yet, how to be an awesome programmer/engineer.

  55. Re:*Gazing into crystal ball* by RemoWilliams84 · · Score: 1

    I live in Alabama and the way they get around this law is to market them as health care items. I don't know why they don't just do away with ineffective laws. Not to mentions stupid ones.

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  56. Re:Nice non-story, Slashdot by b0bby · · Score: 1

    I see your point, but they have added it as a new category so it should be slightly easier to find stuff.

  57. Re:How would you register a downloaded car? by JonWan · · Score: 1

    It's not really hard to do. Just keep all records of where the parts came from so they can make sure that they are not stolen. Pay your fee and they will issue you a number to stamp on the frame. Check with your local DMV because laws vary from state to state.

  58. Re:Bad idea by B1oodAnge1 · · Score: 1

    but they would make a great pattern to build a mold so that the part could be reproduced with the proper materials.

    what material will we be printing on, into which you can pour molten steel or iron?

    You're doing it wrong.

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  59. 3D printing not all that great by Animats · · Score: 1

    There's no copyright issue for functional parts under US law. That's why there's a third-party auto parts industry.

    I wish 3D printing was more useful. It's currently at "fast, good, cheap - pick one". The consumer-grade machines make little things from ABS, with visible row lines, slowly. The really good machines make working parts from titanium, cost millions, and take forever. The midrange machines cost about $50K and make OK plastic parts, slowly, with a high consumables cost.

    Milling machines can do many of the same jobs. The main advantage of 3D printing is that the work-holding problem isn't so bad. Most of the headaches in machining come from having to hold the part on surfaces that aren't being machined in the currrent operation, then having to re-clamp the part and precisely align it.

    1. Re:3D printing not all that great by daid303 · · Score: 1

      3D printing land is going FAST right now. A year ago they where producing ugly blobs with RepRaps. Now they are producing this:
      http://davedurant.wordpress.com/2011/10/12/ultimaker-faq-but-what-about-the-quality-of-prints/
      And even those pictures are... deprecated.
      This is something I printed myself, in the first week or so: http://daid.mine.nu/~daid/IMG_20110929_235158.jpeg or how about this one: http://daid.mine.nu/~daid/IMG_20111213_232929.jpeg it's only 4cm large. And that's WITH mechanical problems in my machine which effect quality. (I got a set of faulty bearings, Ultimaker is going to give me new ones)

  60. Re:How do you get starting with 3d printing by b0bby · · Score: 2

    http://www.makerbot.com/

    Under $2000 to get going.

  61. Re:Bad idea by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    If it's something attached to the engine or hydraulic system components I'd agree, but I think it will be fine for pretty much any interior or body part.

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  62. A Pirate Site? by Favonius+Cornelius · · Score: 1

    I'm sorry but the Pirate Bay is no longer a 'Pirate Site.' They handed in their cutlasses a long time ago.

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  63. Re:How would you register a downloaded car? by sexconker · · Score: 1

    That is the hard way.

    The easy way. go to a junkyard and buy the registration and Vin plate from a car to be crushed or the frame/body of one.. Yes you can do this.

    Attach the vin plate to your car, register the car with the old title you had signed over to you.

    It's listed as a "salvage title" but who cares. It's how I got my sand rail on the road legally without all the stupid safety engineering testing that Michigan has for experimental vehicle registration. IT was registered as a VW bug.

    Who cares? Your insurance company cares. They won't insure a vehicle with a salvage title.

  64. Physibals top 100 is empty? by shaitand · · Score: 1

    Thought there was supposed to be seven items?

  65. they will make plastic, concealable weapons by jsepeta · · Score: 1

    the only way to enter a plane in the future is to do so naked, without any carry-on luggage.

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    1. Re:they will make plastic, concealable weapons by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      the only way to enter a plane in the future is to do so naked, without any carry-on luggage.

      3d printers don't magically transform toy-grade plastic into weapons-grade unobtanium.

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  66. I got this one by JSBiff · · Score: 1

    "Couple TPB with a cheap method of accurate 3D scanning, though, and I wonder what illegal shapes will emerge."

    Lots and lots of phalluses.

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  69. Re:How would you register a downloaded car? by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

    Dude, it's the insurance. You are required by law to have liability insurance on your automobile. The biggest problem with making your own car is the ludicrous cost of ownership due to insurance.
    You know how car companies do a bunch of crash tests to prove how safe and reliable their cars are? Guess what the insurance company will charge you when you tell them "trust me, it's safe". That's right, an arm and a leg. Not your arm and leg of course, but someone else's which they'll have to pay for when your car fucks up and you dismember people.
    Oh, is that unlikely and not going to happen?
    Prove it to the insurance company. Make 5 and crash them. Take some videos and let some engineers dicker over them for a few hours at $200 hours a pop.

  70. Re:for a while by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

    "Oh dear skies alive, having the TOY lawyers playing with the media lawyers? *Cringe*"

    You meant the adult toy lawyers, right?

  71. Lego Fans Rejoice! by na1led · · Score: 1

    Imagine the Lego Projects you could do with this!

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    1. Re:Lego Fans Rejoice! by daid303 · · Score: 1

      Shapes of lego pieces are legal.

  72. Re:How would you register a downloaded car? by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    Odd, I have had several insured. you must be completely wrong.

    Because you can easily register and insure a salvage title. Buddy did it to his Prius. insurance company was happy to insure it.

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  73. Re:Bad idea by petermgreen · · Score: 2

    You wouldn't print your mould directly, you'd print a model, then pack moulding sand round the model to form a mould. Then remove the model and pour in the metal.

    Depending on the complexity of the part you could either go for a reusable model or a model that you melt out of the mould before using it. (like with lost wax casting)

    Though if it's a mechanical part you would probablly need to do some machining after casting to get tight enough tolerances on the important surfaces.

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  74. Non-euclidean downloads by Zorque · · Score: 1

    "I wonder what illegal shapes will emerge."

    The idea of an illegal shape is funny to me, but when we're all printing Shub-Niggurath figurines I'm sure I won't be laughing.

  75. Re:Bad idea by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Assuming you had the skill to do that[1], the cost of the specialized equipment to melt iron doesn't come cheap.

    Then you need to temper it right. That's assuming the part is designed to be cast rather than forged or some other process anyway.

    I'm sick of hearing about 3D printing.

    [1] I've done it at school. It's not easy. The results were pretty shite. But that's more than most of the twats who hype it all up have ever done.

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  76. Re:Bad idea by daid303 · · Score: 1

    I cannot find the story right now. But someone already did. Save 250 bucks on a car repair, some clip in his trunk had broken and he could fix it with a special printed part. The dealer could only replace a whole part of the trunk.

  77. Re:How would you register a downloaded car? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Odd, I have had several insured. you must be completely wrong.

    No you don't. You may have paid premiums and have a piece of paper but if you described it as a VW bug and it's actually a homebrew PzKfw IV/hovercraft hybrid they're going to tell you to pound sand when you make a claim.

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  78. Re:How would you register a downloaded car? by sexconker · · Score: 1

    Odd, I have had several insured. you must be completely wrong.

    Because you can easily register and insure a salvage title. Buddy did it to his Prius. insurance company was happy to insure it.

    I dare you to try to file a vehicle claim on a salvage title, let alone a vehicle claim on a salvage title with a "repurposed" VIN.

  79. MOD UP by bmsleight · · Score: 1

    MOdders please

  80. An Ancient Meme made possible! by couchslug · · Score: 1

    At last, Natalie Portman(s), naked and petrified for all who might want them!

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  81. Re:Bad idea by lifejunkie · · Score: 1

    Actually with laser sintering you can print the metal directly.

  82. Re:*Gazing into crystal ball* by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

    For the same reason that quite a few states still make it a criminal offense to have homosexual sex, even though everyone knows that'd be struck down in ten seconds if anyone tried to enforce it today. No state senator wants to go down in history as the one who legalised buggery, and none wants to go down in history as the one who legalised obscene toys either. It'd also be a way to instantly lose the social-conservative vote, and in some states the social conservative vote really is everything at the state level.

  83. Re:Bad idea by 2short · · Score: 1

    If you are replacing broken plastic parts as na1led suggested, why would they be a different substance? In any case, the parts I immediately thought of were the stupid little plastic brackets that hold my dash panels on. They aren't some hi-tech super material; they're cheapest plastic the manufacturer could get. That's why they broke. I could print replacements out of several stronger materials for a fraction of what the dealer would charge me. (If I didn't like the sweet baling-wire look I've got going.)

  84. Re:Bad idea by DanielRavenNest · · Score: 1

    I've done blacksmithing. What you need to melt iron is a crucible, coal, firebricks, and a hair dryer. You can get fancier, that that will work. Hair dryer forces air into the coal bed to get it hot enough to melt the iron. Firebricks keep everything else from catching fire. The whole furnace can be built in a hole in the ground with a metal pipe leading to the bottom to feed air in.

    "specialized equipment" didn't exist thousands of years ago (iron age, bronze age) when people started casting metals. It can all be done with pretty primitive stuff by modern standards.

  85. Companies - 3D models and patent law by Tekoneiric · · Score: 1

    I was discussing 3D printing with the parts guy at the Honda dealership this morning. Like most people he had no clue that this tech even exists and what kind of impact it's going to be over the next 10 years. I told him it's only a matter of time before companies see downloadable 3D models as a threat and start trying to protect their designs. I also told him it won't be long before companies start screaming to have the patent laws extended like they are doing with copyright law.

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  86. Re:for a while by Kalriath · · Score: 1

    One would hope you aren't going to fabricate something with your 3D printer then just stick it in there.

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  87. Re:I've been saying this. by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

    I'd love it if there was some standard 3D model available for each type of unit. Then I could completely customize them to match my preferences.

    Swapping weapons/heads/limbs on the physical plastic or metal figurines is no problem, but unless you're extremely handy with epoxy putty, stuff like changing facial expressions or various surface details is damn hard. Working in a 3D modelling program would make that so much easier and infinitely undo/redoable.

    But knowing GW, look forward to being excluded from all tournaments and banned for life if your figurines don't have the correct GW-approved RFID tag.

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  88. Re:Bad idea by Anarchduke · · Score: 1

    You print in plastic, then make a mold. Then you pour your metal into the mold. You know, like they have done for many years.

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  89. Re:How would you register a downloaded car? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    I got my sand rail on the road legally without all the stupid safety engineering testing that Michigan has

    All that stupid testing isn't for your fucking benefit, you selfish twat. It's for everyone else's. If you want to be a cheapskate and kill yourself, do it on your own land. Fucker.

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  90. Re:This is fantastic by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    One day, thanks to the research by those few teams we have heard about on here recently, we'll even be able to print our food.

    Yes, we'll be able to have processed vaguely chicken flavoured tofu or krill in little chicken shapes! Amazing

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  91. Re:Bad idea by rtb61 · · Score: 1

    Depends in they are designed from scratch, based upon a fair use view, are generally generic in design and cost far more to 3D print than to manufacture under normal circumstance and neither the 3D design nor the printed product are sold.

    So in reality not much different from manufacturing your own, for your own use, which is not illegal.

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  92. Re:How do you get starting with 3d printing by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    http://www.makerbot.com/

    Under $2000 to get going.

    $2000 is a lot of money to make plastic toys as a hobby.

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  93. Warhammer 40K by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    Am I the only person here who didn't know what the fuck that meant, looked it up and found it was about playing with plastic toys? I feel like I've stumbled into a Toys R Us forum.

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  94. Re:How do you get starting with 3d printing by b0bby · · Score: 1

    True, but if I had more time I might try to find a makerspace locally to play with one. You can do some cool stuff like printing forms which can then be cast etc. Alas, I'm already too busy.

  95. Re:Bad idea by mcgrew · · Score: 1

    As the other responder to your comment noted, things were pretty primitive back in the iron age. Skill is a matter of practice; I took a blacksmithing class back in 1976 or 7 and it really wasn't that hard (the hardest is thin steel, too easy to set the steel on fire when it's thin). Neither is tempering the steel. We also did casting in another class, and casting is even easier than smithing. For casting you need a kiln rather than a forge, but they work on similar principles and there are a lot of ways to do it. And again, tempering is a matter of how much temper you need, whether to use oil or water, and some other simple things.

    You don't need a PhD in metalurgy to cast metals or forge them.

    Also, for a car you would need lots of steel, especially for the frame and engine, but anything but a car is pretty much made of 100% plastics these days. Downloading a car would be a nice exercise, but would not be worth the effort otherwise. However, for something like a replacement dash or other part to repair your car, this would be great.

  96. Re:This is fantastic by DanielRavenNest · · Score: 1

    It's not beyond the realm of possibility to have a "kitchen machine", which has a refrigerator and storage racks at one end, mixing bowls etc in the middle, and a stove/oven heater at the end, and runs on recipes which are data files. Existing kitchens have all the same parts except a human does all the mechanical steps. We already have a primitive version in "bread machines" that do most of the steps in making fresh bread for you.

  97. Re:How would you register a downloaded car? by toddestan · · Score: 1

    Actually, it's getting the DMV to register the vehicle. If it doesn't have a VIN you're not going to get plates for it, and then you can't legally drive it on the public roads. You can do as someone claims they do in an above post and obtain a VIN from a scrapped car. In the state I live in neither the DMV or my insurance company has ever verified that the VIN I gave them actually matches the car it is attached to, so this would get you your plates and on the road. However, I'm sure that this is at best a legal grey area, and quite possibly breaking some law. Your insurance company may also consider it fraud. If I was to play that game, I would try and get a VIN from a car old enough to grandfathered into most of the modern safety and emissions laws so they at least couldn't nail you with that.

  98. Re:Bad idea by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    I've done blacksmithing. What you need to melt iron is a crucible, coal, firebricks, and a hair dryer.

    I don't, in fact, possess any of those. And I'll wager that the vast majority of households have only one of them - can you work out which? Guess who does have the specialized equipment? Specialists, that's who. Even in the iron age only a very few would have had the equipment (and ability to use it). It wouldn't be economic for everyone to have it.

    "specialized equipment" didn't exist thousands of years ago

    That's garbage. You think they smelted ores in their cooking pots? Hunted mammoths and caught fish with identical spears?

    The root of your problem is that you obviously don't know the meaning of the word "specialized". It doesn't mean "modern" or "high tech" like you think. It means "useful for, or dedicated to, a specific task".

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