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The Pirate Bay On Track To Be Banned In the UK?

redletterdave writes with this excerpt from the International Business Times about the fate of the Pirate Bay in the UK: "Swedish filesharing website The Pirate Bay may soon be blocked in the UK after a London judge ruled that the site breaches copyright laws on a large scale, and that both the platform and its users illegally share copyrighted material like movies and music. In addition to finding legal fault with The Pirate Bay and its users, the British Phonographic Industry also wants all British ISPs to block access to The Pirate Bay in the UK."

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  1. Can we just ban it? by ka9dgx · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Let's ban child phonography.... cut off their customer base, and drive the bastards out of business.

    1. Re:Can we just ban it? by sd4f · · Score: 2

      and drugs, don't forget to ban drugs, guns too.

    2. Re:Can we just ban it? by rubycodez · · Score: 3, Funny

      why shouldn't children be allowed to use Pitman shorthand?

      if you were making some irrelevant statement about child pornography, on the other hand, 1. it's already banned 2. the Pirate Bay doesn't have any

    3. Re:Can we just ban it? by cshark · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wait a minute dude, what's wrong with drugs?

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    4. Re:Can we just ban it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think the idea is that if we stop getting kids hooked on having the latest phonographs, eventually the phonographic industry will wither and die.

    5. Re:Can we just ban it? by lightknight · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Let's bad freedom too. I have information which indicates that only terrorists & rapists speak about 'freedom.'

      They also, on occasion, speak about some fictitious 'Bill of Rights,' that supposedly limits what our 'Dear Leaders' in the Roman Senate can and cannot do to the peasantry. Terrorists, all of them: they should be found, and subjected to experiments (like the effects of prolonged frostbite, or the stuffing of human beings into very warm ovens), for the good of society.

      What a bunch of weirdos, they don't seem to understand that anyone who has a badge and a gun is God's right-hand on earth. How do we know this? Because for the last two thousand years, the Almighty hasn't said a word against the countless genocides and massacres that were carried out by those acting in His name. Trust me, if he didn't like the fine job our CIA is doing, sowing hate among our allies, we'd know it. Instead, he appears on slices of toasted bread, giving us the thumbs up. USA! USA! USA!

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    6. Re:Can we just ban it? by cupantae · · Score: 5, Funny

      You may be interested to hear that the UK, among other places, is not in America.

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    7. Re:Can we just ban it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You may be interested to hear that the UK, among other places, is not in America.

      You might start by informing GP that "UK" stands for things other than "University of Kentucky".

    8. Re:Can we just ban it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Child pornography should be legal, just as snuff films should be legal. Free speech is free speech. If the video is evidence of a crime, persecute the offenders in the video who perpetrated the crime. Video or pictures of crimes being committed should be legal, including child pornography. You're probably thinking that there will be more videos of 60-year-old-men diddling three-year-olds. This is unlikely to be the case, as this kind of pornography is incredibly rare because there really aren't that many sick fucks who will do that (I could be wrong).

      You will, however, be able to see a 16-year-old girl willingly take video of herself masturbating. And two fourteen-year-olds having sex on video (and it was their idea). If the argument is that legalized video will spurn more coercion of children - coercion of children for sex with adults is already illegal (although the age of consent is too high, IMO).

      The only reason child pornography is illegal is the puritanical mindset of the United States (I imagine some of Europe made it illegal to appease the U.S.). Child pornography was common in the '70s and nobody batted an eye. If you have video of a thirteen year old masturbating alone from 1975, don't you think that person (who would be 51 now) has either forgotten about it or it doesn't bother them and they don't mind others watching it? Yes, in extreme cases (child rape) the victims hate the video that exists of it, but that shouldn't make it illegal. Watching a video of a child being molested by an adult may be ethically and morally questionable or wrong, but it should not be crime that warrants the current outrageously extreme punishment (20-100 years in prison, sexual offender's watchlist for life, banned from the Internet for life).

    9. Re:Can we just ban it? by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem is that a local market (i.e., in the US) might create supply elsewhere (i.e., Africa, Latin America, Southeast Asia). I'm afraid that I'd support criminalizing the market as well as the production, because the supply will just move to wherever enforcement is non-existent otherwise. It's a formula for outsourcing child-rape.

      I do distinguish between pedophilia and attraction to teens. I don't think it's appropriate to treat pictures of naked teenagers in the same way as videos of toddlers being raped. In the case of the latter, I think even viewing/possessing them should be criminalized in very strong terms.

    10. Re:Can we just ban it? by GmExtremacy · · Score: 2

      I'm afraid that I'd support criminalizing the market as well as the production, because the supply will just move to wherever enforcement is non-existent otherwise. It's a formula for outsourcing child-rape.

      Sorry, but if you can't catch them, then too bad. I'd rather not have it be illegal and resort to censorship merely because of our own failure to catch the actual criminals.

    11. Re:Can we just ban it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Let's ban child phonography.... cut off their customer base, and drive the bastards out of business.

      Too right. I can't take any more of those godawful boy bands.

    12. Re:Can we just ban it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Oh, child pornography doesn't follow the same rules as other media.

      You see, if you pirate other media you harm the content creator but if you pirate child pornography you support the content creator.
      At least that is what I have been told.

    13. Re:Can we just ban it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yea! Nothing is wrong with drugs. Drugs are great for people that can use them RESPONSIBLY. Take food for example. All of us eat food, but people that can't control their food intake often are seen in the poorer areas, where intelligence levels are lower. The rest of us eat our food at responsibly and don't get fat because we watch and control our food intake. Same goes for drugs and a number of other activities that we do. It's sad that drugs get such a bad rap. I take opiates, sometimes even heroin (smoking) *gasp* and a number of other chemicals, daily and have a 6 figure salary and a computer science degree from one of the best schools in the nation. I am not on the streets suckin' dick for my next hit. Some people have addiction diseases, whether it be food or drugs, and they are not people I would lump into the "stupid" category. They just got dealt a bad hand when it came to genes.

    14. Re:Can we just ban it? by outsider007 · · Score: 1

      We understand that kid-diddling is bad, but is it worse than Apple's suicide factories. In other words why is possession of child porn worse than possession of an iPad?

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    15. Re:Can we just ban it? by johnvile · · Score: 1

      51st state

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    16. Re:Can we just ban it? by outsider007 · · Score: 1

      Yes, it's the difference between committing a crime and possessing evidence of a crime.

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    17. Re:Can we just ban it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ...is it worse than Apple's suicide factories.

      Seeing as how the suicide rate at those factories is lower than that in the equivalent cohort of the general population in that area, why don't we call them Apple's Chinese Life Extension Factories?

    18. Re:Can we just ban it? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      IMO child rape is worse than bad working conditions.

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    19. Re:Can we just ban it? by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      Wait a minute dude, what's wrong with drugs?

      The only problem I can see with drugs is that people operate automobiles after taking them.

      If we could prevent that, no problem.

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    20. Re:Can we just ban it? by Joce640k · · Score: 1, Redundant

      Thus ensuring that only criminals have them...

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    21. Re:Can we just ban it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How about both? I think there's a joke about child prostitution in here somewhere...

    22. Re:Can we just ban it? by Blahah · · Score: 3, Informative

      ...and that we only have tens, instead of thousands of gunshot wounds in the UK every year.

    23. Re:Can we just ban it? by chrb · · Score: 4, Informative

      And yet the UK has a fraction of the murder rate of the U.S. despite having a more urbanised population. 125 murders in Metropolitan London last year - a densely populated urban region with population of around 13 million with 5000 people per square km. Compare that to U.S. cities! 620 murders in the entire UK for a population of 62 million people. The majority of British people think gun control is a great idea.

    24. Re:Can we just ban it? by 1s44c · · Score: 1

      What's wrong with guns????

      They make it very easy to kill people.

      Many consider that a problem, many consider it an advantage.

    25. Re:Can we just ban it? by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 1

      You're not getting this, are you? Try to work through it. If we don't ban the market, then the production will go to where there is no enforcement - and grow there. That is a moral formula that I and a large majority of people, of virtually all political stripes, would find pretty unacceptable, and will for as long as I can imagine.

      In fact, your position is one that others use as a reductio ad absurdum to demonstrate the unworkability of that brand of fundamentalist libertarianism.

    26. Re:Can we just ban it? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      If it were that simple, then posession would be a mere civil offence. The subject could claim damages, but the police would stay out and there would be no jail time.

    27. Re:Can we just ban it? by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

      Are there actually professional child pornography studios serving a "market" though? Or are they all hobbyists who do it out of love? Certainly possible in the 3rd world for people to do brutal things for money, but if they couldn't film the kids they would be pimping them out. Even if it were a market, narcotics prohibition should have made it obvious that government efforts to alter economic realities are futile and harmful.

    28. Re:Can we just ban it? by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 1

      Well, yes, there will be a little underground economy of these things, though there have been a few effective raids which caught and arrested hundreds of people. But that's a fallacy of its own - that a law is only effective if it is never broken. Dramatically reducing the market for child pornography by criminalizing its consumption is an unmitigated good.

      The difference between narcotics and child pornography is huge. There is nothing essentially exploitative about either producing or consuming drugs. Some people find the consumption of some drugs immoral, or (more reasonably) a mental health issue, but the production is generally like that of any other agricultural and/or chemical products. In this case, however, the production of the material (by which I mean recordings of actual episodes of child assault, not imaginary/synthetic/illustrated versions) is the most unquestionably heinous link on the chain.

    29. Re:Can we just ban it? by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

      and the US has how many people?

      and we are willing to make the sacrifice of safety in exchange for freedom and the ability to defend our selves be it from each other or our government if the time ever comes that it is needed. i prefer the ability to defend my freedom and risk my safety

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    30. Re:Can we just ban it? by Tastecicles · · Score: 1

      Actually, that's completely wrong. The UK has the highest number of gun incidents... and the highest death-by-gun numbers, in Europe. Not to mention the tightest gun laws. They don't make the news because State controlled media would have you believe that gun restrictions work to reduce gun crime (I know, I know, have I heard myself, but face facts: as long as those who make bad laws are in charge, those bad laws stay in place and criminalise people like ME who would otherwise be a perfectly law-abiding citizen).

      Go figure.

      Oh waitasec... I own guns. Several of them, in fact. Legally. I shoot vermin with them - that's rats to canada geese and a lot of stuff in between. Never shot a human, not in seven years of gun ownership. Never even drew in anger.

      Guns don't kill people, people with guns kill people. If you want to rail, rail against our armed forces sweeping across the Arab world stealing their oil. Leave me to help keep the price of a loaf of bread below £5.

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    31. Re:Can we just ban it? by gnick · · Score: 1

      Let's ban child phonography.... cut off their customer base, and drive the bastards out of business.

      I hope you were just being clever there because you're right. The British Phonographic Industry are acting like children.

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    32. Re:Can we just ban it? by nortcele · · Score: 1

      A dude is much more proud to be killed by a gun, like a svelte Kimber 9mm, than to be stuck with a knife and bleed to death. Knives are so barbaric. This is the modern age. Choose to be killed a by a modern weapon.... not a rock or pointy stick.

    33. Re:Can we just ban it? by Djehuty3 · · Score: 1

      You are, in fact, incorrect.

      Well, that, or half the people in my village are in all sorts of shit.

    34. Re:Can we just ban it? by sd4f · · Score: 1

      I was trying to be ironic (the brits were right, irony is lost on americans), just like the OP, ban CP and it will all go away, so i merely extended that, ban drugs and all the problems associated with them will go away, which clearly has not been the case, it exacerbates the problem, same thing with guns, when you have oppressive firearm laws, you just look at NYC, Chicago and Washington DC (which afaik has relaxed its laws recently), they have very oppressive laws but when you look at statistics for places with higher rates of firearm ownership, there's somewhat less violent crime.

      I own firearms, and I think anyone who thinks that people shouldn't have firearms because they can kill is quite plainly, a victim of left wing propaganda, the evidence just doesn't support their claims, and their attempts are always at public disarmament not solving any problem, so I can only conclude that they are ideologically against firearm ownership because it's a potential force in their way. My point is, banning things usually doesn't work, it's a vicious attempt by idiots and politicians to be seen to be doing something rather than actually doing anything.

    35. Re:Can we just ban it? by Fned · · Score: 1

      The majority of British people are fucking idiots if they think their overall murder rate of any country is somehow mystically driven by the mere presence of firearms.

      Fortunately, AFAIK, they didn't actually elect you as their spokesperson.

    36. Re:Can we just ban it? by GmExtremacy · · Score: 1

      You're not getting this, are you?

      No, I understand perfectly. I simply don't care. If we can't catch the people actually harming the children, then I don't think we should catch anyone at all.

      That is a moral formula that I and a large majority of people, of virtually all political stripes, would find pretty unacceptable, and will for as long as I can imagine.

      The majority of people can think that accusing random people of being witches and killing them is moral, but I'm not going to agree with them.

      In fact, your position is one that others use as a reductio ad absurdum to demonstrate the unworkability of that brand of fundamentalist libertarianism.

      I'm not seeing the connection here. Please explain and provide evidence that society would fall apart of we adopted this mindset (don't prosecute people for getting images/pictures).

    37. Re:Can we just ban it? by chrb · · Score: 1
      I wonder what names you would call someone who denies there could ever be any link between an easily accessible way of killing people and the murder rate.

      Fortunately, AFAIK, they didn't actually elect you as their spokesperson.

      The majority of British people support gun control. If that fact makes you feel emotional and angry, that is your problem.

    38. Re:Can we just ban it? by outsider007 · · Score: 1

      Bad working conditions for you is maybe someone calling you a dork. In Foxconn it's actually dying. Clearly dying is at worse than getting raped. QED you are a dipshit.

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    39. Re:Can we just ban it? by Tastecicles · · Score: 1

      heh... sometimes I wish I had one, those pesky rabbits can run across the track a quarter mile away, and I think to myself, I wish I had a railgun or something, that thing's dinner for a week - and six hundred yards away!

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    40. Re:Can we just ban it? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Actually dying? Hey people can quit instead of throwing themselves off the roof. Of course it's a testament to just how shitty it is there, but unless they're putting their workers in danger I don't think dying is part of the bad working conditions.

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    41. Re:Can we just ban it? by KingBenny · · Score: 1

      yea, last year here in belgium some guy went postal (because of dead end in his life i suppose, ex-con, no chance at rehab whatsoever etcetera, back to the wall fuse blown .... anyway ...) in a public place and started throwing hand-grenades, of the very explosive and lethal kind
      the most intelligent remark i saw then on tv was one of our elder wise women propose a national ban on hand grenades ....
      as if that shit is available in the supermarket between the frozen foods and ipads section huh
      those are the people who govern ... no wonder this place has gone to hell a lot more than it already had
      yea, let's just BAN EVERYTHING
      (caps sorry i get a little overexcited when faced with the pigfarm like that)

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  2. It's kind of scary by cshark · · Score: 3, Insightful

    that the UK is exerting this kind of power over their local internet lines and providers.

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    1. Re:It's kind of scary by lightknight · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Goose, golden eggs, killing of said goose to get the gold inside, followed by the realization that there is no gold inside.

      Two other thoughts:

      1.) It's rare to see a government so openly declaring economic warfare on its own populace.
      2.) I'm surprised that the Financial District, which employs and contributes over 10% of the population and taxes, respectively, hasn't ordered a hit on the people behind this. In order to make good (profitable) trades, fast & accurate information is required (every millisecond counts, and you are competing with people in other countries); in so far as this will be putting up a few new walls between them and the rest of the world, it's not a 'good' law, I would assume, from their vantage point. With the amount of influence they have in the UK, they should easily be able to stop this problem (before it snowballs).

      I will take super-economic sabotage for $500.

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    2. Re:It's kind of scary by Cant+use+a+slash+wtf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Normally I would find this sort of thing scary.
      But, let's look at it through our un-biased glasses for a second.
      A judge made a ruling that may lead to certain companies pursuing court orders to have the site blocked by telcos within Britain.
      Now, this is not even the government censoring Britain's internet. These are companies who (obviously) have a vested interest in having the site blocked as the site exists almost solely for the purpose of illegally distributing copyrighted material (let's be completely honest here).

      This is not the government trying to mute anyone's opinions.
      This is not the government trying to censor what you are allowed to see.

      I know people will probably claim "But it could be X, Y or Z". It is not. This is a judge making what is IMO a just and fair ruling that may or may not end up in private companies making an attempt to have a certain site, whose profits mostly come from distributing copyrighted material, blocked within Britain.

      This is not as big as people are making it out to be and I'm not particularly scared (for now).

    3. Re:It's kind of scary by TheMathemagician · · Score: 1

      Well it hasn't happened yet there's just been one judge's ruling. I don't find it scary because I know perfectly well, like everyone else here, that's it like trying to damn Niagara Falls. I just wish that realisation could permeate to the judiciary, parliament and the music industry itself.

    4. Re:It's kind of scary by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well it is The Register and this isn't the first time they have predicted this kind of thing. Even extremist web sites preaching hate and containing bomb making information doesn't get censored via Cleanfeed for the most part, and the authorities are probably unwilling to use it that way. Blocking such sites would make people find ways around the block and then they would have no way of monitoring them so easily.

      Blocking TBP would push encryption and privacy into the public conciousness and millions more people would start caring about it. It would be a disaster for Big Brother.

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    5. Re:It's kind of scary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How so? I'm not [insert minority here] so it has no affect on me personally. A tiny percentage of the population deal with [thing the minority group do]. They take on an inflated representation because of [thing the minority group do] but honestly do they represent 0.01% of the actual population. Sure they affect you adversely but the average person won't notice unless they are specifically after [thing the minority group do]. Just trying to put it into perspective.

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      Oh shit! They're trying to ban [thing I do]! HOW DARE THEY!

    6. Re:It's kind of scary by blackest_k · · Score: 1

      i'm in Ireland and Eircom is my main ISP, If I try to go to the piratebay directly i get a message that it is blocked.

      However I can get to the Piratebay via an alternative ISP that hasn't got a block and grab a torrent use my bittorrent client to ask my peers about other torrents or just find a free proxy server that gives access.

      I could go further and add tor into the mix but it is hardly worth while.

      That Judge has no idea how easily circumvented his order is and besides even if piratebay was taken down completely there are alternatives and new sites will spring up. piratebay is popular only because it is easy, the torrents get commented on so fakes and poor quality torrents get weeded out. Is it so hard to duplicate? not even piratebay is immune from being pirated and I doubt the people running piratebay care if it was.

      To be honest I can't be bothered with pirating anyway I do not pay for TV (there are loads of channels fta). I rarely buy DVD's the last one was a present for someone else (an independent film) and I don't buy CD's

      Most of the software I use is free. I currently use Mint as my day to day operating system (yet another exubuntu user and contributor) and I do buy the occasional android app, and thats mainly due to my use of prepaid credit cards which make it hard to transfer the last 2 or 3 euro's to a new number (paypal doesn't accept debit cards). Of course iTunes is not an option to buy music since there seems to be no version that works in wine or on android.

      I'm not a game player and although I might have bought a PS3 when other OS was removed I lost interest in that device.

      Don't Pirate stuff and don't buy it either unless you honestly need it, and how rare it is that you really need need a commercial application.

      These Corporations only stay in business by people buying their crap, reduce the bottom line one customer at a time. If profitability falls then there will be less money available for lobbying once the shareholders and board directors take their cut. Support the independents who don't take a dump on you. Then you will get change for the better.

       

    7. Re:It's kind of scary by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "These are companies who (obviously) have a vested interest in having the site blocked as the site exists almost solely for the purpose of illegally distributing copyrighted material (let's be completely honest here)."

      To be honest, they just store magnet links, not a single file with copyrighted materials.

    8. Re:It's kind of scary by Cant+use+a+slash+wtf · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure you're replying to the right person.

    9. Re:It's kind of scary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Oh but this is just for the hoi polloi, the unwashed. Masters of the Universe will obviously be exempted, after a few signatures guaranteeing that they're not going to use their network pipes for filesharing, "of course not, old boy!". You will have specialized ISPs for the haves, with full access to all that digital goodness, and mainstream ISPs for the have-nots, who must be "protected from themselves", so to speak.

    10. Re:It's kind of scary by makomk · · Score: 1

      The financial industry has access to unfiltered, undelayed internet connections. This is only aimed at ordinary proles.

    11. Re:It's kind of scary by QuasiSteve · · Score: 4, Informative

      Blocking TBP would push encryption and privacy into the public conciousness and millions more people would start caring about it. It would be a disaster for Big Brother.

      Being in a country (NL) where TPB is blocked by two major providers, I can tell you that no such thing has occurred on any notable scale.

      What did happen?
      1. Outrage at forums and news sites.
      2. Questions of how to get around the blockade.
      3. Answers providing many methods to get 'around' the blockade, none of which require encryption or privacy-enhancing methods, really. Sure, TOR has been suggested, but TOR is cumbersome.
      4. Further answers pointing out alternatives, including 'news' servers.
      5. Outrage? What outrage? Oh, The Pirate Beach? Yeah, I vaguely remember that irrelevant site. *goes back to watching recent episode of popular U.S. show downloaded from news server*

      Maybe it would be different in the U.K.

    12. Re:It's kind of scary by dmacleod808 · · Score: 1

      Damn You Niagra Falls!!!!!!!! There, I damned it!

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    13. Re:It's kind of scary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Honestly, what I find more telling is the US during Prohibition. Not only was alcohol illegal, but the government poisoned the industrial stuff with wood alcohol (methanol, unlike ethanol, will make you go blind and die when consumed). Sure, rich people could get the smuggled stuff but most schmucks ended up drinking the denatured alcohol. And you know what? People did it anyway. The hospitals and morgues were FULL of people suffering from methanol poisoning. It didn't stop until Prohibition ended.

      The moral of this story: you can make whatever laws you want and enforce them by however means you want. However, if the population doesn't actually consider it wrong, they're going to do it anyway and in large numbers. Even if you kill offenders, more will take their place.

      Disclaimer: I'm related to a lot of police officers and have a healthy respect for the law. Anarchy isn't the answer (and is likely impossible anyway, people would just make rules all over again) but you also need to realize when you're trying to bail the Pacific Ocean too.

    14. Re:It's kind of scary by Baki · · Score: 1

      Not yet, but wait until more "sources" are cut off for more people worldwide. It is likely that better distributed and harder to attack platforms will appear to replace todays torrent sites.

    15. Re:It's kind of scary by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      I really doubt high-speed traders run common internet traffic. No, they'll be running on their own dedicated cables for the short-distance links from exchange to offices, and leased TDM slots on long-distance fiber for inter-exchange traffic. Expensive, yes - but for an industry where miliseconds mean millions, worth the cost.

    16. Re:It's kind of scary by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Actually this is a correct approach. Website has been deemed to be breaking the law, appropriate legal sanction is applied.

      The fact the law's utterly fucked up in this instance is the issue, not that people have actually used the courts to prevent what is, at the end of the day, activity illegal in the UK.

      Trust me, I'd far rather have this level of openness about the process than have SOCA randomly shutting down a website because the RIAA bribed them.

    17. Re:It's kind of scary by stevelinton · · Score: 1

      TDM won't cut it. You might lose crucial milliseconds waiting for your slot.

      It's rapidly heading for the point where to trade competitively you need to have your serves within a rack or two of the exchange server in the same datacentre. Before much longer it'll be having your process running on the exchange's server.

  3. Up next on Copyright cat & mouse... by VortexCortex · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Global information exchange The Internet may soon be blocked in the UK after a London judge ruled that the system breaches copyright laws on a large scale, and that the platform's routers and end users illegally share copyrighted material like movies and music. In addition to finding legal fault with The Internet and its users, the British Phonographic Industry also wants all British ISPs to block access to The Internet in the UK.

    1. Re:Up next on Copyright cat & mouse... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "Common primate species Homo Sapiens may soon be blocked in the UK after a London judge ruled that the species breaches copyright laws on a large scale, and that both the individual and its groups illegally share copyrighted material like movies and music. In addition to finding legal fault with Homo Sapiens and its individuals, the British Phonographic Industry also wants all British ISPs to block access to Homo Sapiens in the UK."

      Fixed that for you.

    2. Re:Up next on Copyright cat & mouse... by Squiddie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm pretty sure I heard a bird singing a copyrighted song. They should ban those too.

    3. Re:Up next on Copyright cat & mouse... by lightknight · · Score: 1, Redundant

      On behalf of the rest of the world, we'll miss you guys.

      Websites like The Register & the BBC have provided valuable information about the UK, its culture, its way of life, and at times, a better understanding of your country. Still, if your leaders are intent on cutting off their country's arm at the wrist, and cannot be persuaded against such an action, the rest of the world shall get together every September 4th, and host a UK day, during which we will look through the internet archives, and relive the experience of .uk websites.

      Good-bye, and fair wishes to you all.

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    4. Re:Up next on Copyright cat & mouse... by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 1

      Good, this world is best suited for us Persons of Quality, down the rabble! The hoi palloi have been far too uppity of late, it's high time to put them back in their place, I say! (Except the telephone sanitizers, they do a yeoman's job, what ho!)

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    5. Re:Up next on Copyright cat & mouse... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You joke - I have met a Scottish MP who has argued for turning off the internet for years(family friend so I'm not going to name him). His current mission is to ban Facebook for inciting riots. He genuinely believes that websites should have no user generated content - unless everything is pre-moderated before been shown to the public. To enforce this he wants to licence websites - no licence - no access through the firewall he intends to build.

      Do not be surprised if you start to hear more support of this idea.

    6. Re:Up next on Copyright cat & mouse... by jpapon · · Score: 1

      Even some of us who have never downloaded anything illegal have to sanitize our own telephones. Fortunately though, as a general rule, our shit don't stank.

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    7. Re:Up next on Copyright cat & mouse... by Kjella · · Score: 2

      And clouds, I swear I saw one in the shape of a copyrighted work.

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    8. Re:Up next on Copyright cat & mouse... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2

      Hey if you can patent the bird's DNA then why not copyright it's songs? ASCAP will have a field day...

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      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
  4. Here comes Tor! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Honestly, we need a "Streisand Effect" term for what happens when legislation merely prompts sites to use the encrypted areas of the internet.

    1. Re:Here comes Tor! by seacandy · · Score: 1

      How about The Speakeasy Effect? Probably already copyrighted.

  5. Re:No Web Site for You by cshark · · Score: 2

    Nobody, they only do the democracy thing for show.

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  6. What's wrong with drugs? by kawabago · · Score: 4, Funny
    1. Re:What's wrong with drugs? by lightknight · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      The crack spider is right. Building webs is for suckas.

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  7. Best of luck. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Whack-a-mole.

    "The more your tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers."

  8. Reverse "think of the children" by giorgist · · Score: 1

    Is this a case of reverse "think of the children" argument ... !!

    We have a case where a London judge is siding with the whole British Phonographic Industry.

    Well well ... what do you know, them London judges wanting to support the commercial exploitation of young women (and men and trained pets depending on what floats your boat) I think they should all be behind the same bars :P

  9. 1984 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1984. Thank you.

  10. Old news, Pirate Bay. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Tribler is the future of these things, and isn't really blockable.

    The problem with the suit of armor - invented (yes, partly) as a response to the broadsword - is that it spurred the development of the rapier and epee.

    Defense... offense... meet developers.

    1. Re:Old news, Pirate Bay. by gknoy · · Score: 1

      I think you skipped some steps.

      Heavy swords led people to develop chainmail, and plate armor.
      Crossbows led them to develop even stronger plate.
      Guns punched holes in plate armor, so people stopped wearing it.
      Since no one was wearing heavy armor, swords got smaller, lighter, more agile.

      So, guns spurred the development of rapiers more directly than heavy armor (though one can't deny heavy armor's place in the evolution of defense).

    2. Re:Old news, Pirate Bay. by loufoque · · Score: 1

      This is inaccurate. Good armor was bullet-proof. People stopped wearing armor for other reasons.

    3. Re:Old news, Pirate Bay. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Bullet proof armour was too heavy to move in.

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    4. Re:Old news, Pirate Bay. by loufoque · · Score: 1

      Riding horses didn't require to able to move that much.

    5. Re:Old news, Pirate Bay. by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Well, there's several networks like that but without any centralized authority you also lose any form of quality control. TPB has moderators, fake files, trojans and such are removed, people can make useful comments and get useful responses. A network that everybody gets to trash will quickly look like KaZaA all over again. Either you need some kind of useful distributed trust system - which nobody's managed to make popular yet - or you need a centralized index/search where most the crap has been filtered out. I think the future is more an overlay that provides a proxy service, letting you access those sites from anywhere in the world. That would at least make country-level blocks meaningless.

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    6. Re:Old news, Pirate Bay. by advocate_one · · Score: 1

      the horse also had to be heavily armoured... and thus those ultra heavy cavalry were very slow and cumbersome and very easy to pick off with cannon firing explosive shells... that same light artillery could be limbered up and moving to another position when the survivors of the armoured knights started to get close...

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    7. Re:Old news, Pirate Bay. by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Tribler? Looks like it would make a good P2P replacement for Youtube, but the future of file sharing in general is in torrents over I2P.

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      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    8. Re:Old news, Pirate Bay. by loufoque · · Score: 1

      cannons firing explosive shells are not mere guns.

    9. Re:Old news, Pirate Bay. by Whibla · · Score: 1

      All canons on a ship are guns, matey.

      What are you, a pirate?

      Well, at least you'll have no where to dock and resupply, now your bay is being blocked...

    10. Re:Old news, Pirate Bay. by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      Does it depend on UDP like the DHT protocol on Bittorrent? If so, then it won't work over most anonymizing networks which are TCP-only. That means that while they can't shut down a tracker, they can still sue you for using it.

      If TPB goes down then it seems like the only viable anonymous replacement I can see out there is I2P - which is very limited in selection.

  11. Like a ratchet by 7-Vodka · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You know what's funny about the prevailing systems of government in this era? They're all about writing new laws, making new things illegal, regulating more and more of their citizen's lives and centralizing more and more power in the hands of a VERY few.

    It never goes the other way. Ever.

    How often do over reaching laws get repealed? How often does government say "hey we don't need to regulate this realm anymore because circumstances have changed"?
    How often have you seen governments de-centralize things in order to make them more responsive to the needs of the citizens they serve?

    How often does government shrink or even stop growing at exponential rates? How often have they become less involved when it was needed?

    In fact, most governments call decreases in projected increases as "cuts".

    If next year something happens that causes the government to no longer need (by their justification) to control the internet, you think they will cede control?

    If you're not with Ron Paul and the Freedom movement, you're part of the problem.

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    Liberty.

    1. Re:Like a ratchet by FrozenFood · · Score: 1

      dont say that too loudly, you may end up in gitmo

    2. Re:Like a ratchet by Nursie · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ugh. You had me until Ron Paul. The guy is a nutcase.

    3. Re:Like a ratchet by c0lo · · Score: 1

      It never goes the other way. Ever.

      Usually, the govts don't write laws, that's the job of the Parliament and somehow judiciary (by creating precedents).

      Where this becomes relevant: at most (and only if smart enough), the executive section of the politics (the govts) might be interested in simplifing the laws - targeting lower cost of enforcement and (possible) higher amount of taxes resulting from a swifter/more flexible economy...
      But not the parliamentarians (senators, MP-es or whatever), they have absolutely no interest of "cleaning up" after themselves. Letting aside that a more complex legislation "justifies" their (and the lawyers') existence, how would they otherwise collect election donations (negotiated by the lobby groups) ? Analyzing what laws can be thrown out would be... unproductive time for them.

      If you're not with Ron Paul and the Freedom movement, you're part of the problem.

      By this do you mean to say: the whole world outside the US of A is part of the problem?

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    4. Re:Like a ratchet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So his argument makes sense, yet you're against Ron Paul despite reasoning you agree with. And then you smear him for supposed irrationality.

      Seems legit.

    5. Re:Like a ratchet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ugh. You had me until Ron Paul. The guy is a nutcase.

      He's not only the only one not entertaining politicians, he's the only one the media is outright trying to ignore whenever possible (ie: he isn't fucking up, he isn't selling out and except in cases like yours, people don't buy into the crap said about him) - one thing I know for sure, if the media is against it, it is a good thing.

    6. Re:Like a ratchet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The funny thing about Ron Paul is that for all his alleged libertarianism, he manages to always come up with some justification for siding with socal conservatives on their pet issues.

      If it walks like a duck...

      Ron Paul is a supporter of states' rights only when the states want to do something more conservative than the federal government. He's just another religious bigot with better PR.

    7. Re:Like a ratchet by whoever57 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Usually, the govts don't write laws, that's the job of the Parliament and somehow judiciary (by creating precedents).

      Where this becomes relevant: at most (and only if smart enough), the executive section of the politics (the govts) might be interested in simplifing the laws - targeting lower cost of enforcement and (possible) higher amount of taxes resulting from a swifter/more flexible economy...

      Strangely, not every country has a system of government that is identical to the USA. In the UK, there is not the same separation between executive branch and legislative branch, because the executive (civil service etc.) is ultimately controlled by the Prime Minister, who is the leader of the largest party in the House of Commons. The equivalent of cabinet secretaries all either have a seat in the House of Commons or (rarely) the House of Lords. Civil servants under the purview of the ministers write most laws.

      On the other hand, "Yes Minister" and "Yes, Prime Minister" (written by someone well connected to a former Minister) suggests what little control the politicians have and how much the civil servants are able to exercise their own will.

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    8. Re:Like a ratchet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No. It's when the People don't assert their rights, that they become oppressed by their government. Not when they do.

      Now please retire that very suspect bit of fearmongering rationale. It doesn't enable others to perceive you as being a good citizen or a credible human being.

    9. Re:Like a ratchet by evilviper · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How often do over reaching laws get repealed? How often does government say "hey we don't need to regulate this realm anymore because circumstances have changed"? How often have you seen governments de-centralize things in order to make them more responsive to the needs of the citizens they serve?

      All of the above happens ALL THE TIME. Deregulation and privitization were big buzzwords a few years back. Deregulation of the electric utility in California led to blackouts and Enron fraud. Systematic deregulation of the banking and stock markets led to the recession we're currently in. It's funny, Alan Greenspan was a die-hard libertarian his entire life, then after several years of him writing the rules, everything crashed, and he denounced libertarianism, the philosophy he was so dedicated to, and yet people like yourself are still cheering it on, in spit of all reality.

      You have to employ magical thinking to be a libertarian. Last election, Ron Paul was refused entry into the Fox presidential candidate debate. He went to make a scene, but they did not recant. When confronted by this obvious case where Fox's freedom allowed them to exclude him, a clear example where regulation is absolutely necessary, he just mumbles something about, Oh, maybe if they had even LESS REGULATION STILL, they might have made a better decision. You have to be absolutely irrational to buy into the hand-waving false promises of libertarianism.

      Libertarianism is a cult. Don't drink the Coolaide.

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    10. Re:Like a ratchet by c0lo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Usually, the govts don't write laws, that's the job of the Parliament and somehow judiciary (by creating precedents). Where this becomes relevant: at most (and only if smart enough), the executive section of the politics (the govts) might be interested in simplifing the laws - targeting lower cost of enforcement and (possible) higher amount of taxes resulting from a swifter/more flexible economy...

      Strangely, not every country has a system of government that is identical to the USA. In the UK, there is not the same separation between executive branch and legislative branch, because the executive (civil service etc.) is ultimately controlled by the Prime Minister, who is the leader of the largest party in the House of Commons.

      Strangely, even if in the Commonwealth, not every country have their laws promoted exclusively by the Prime Minister/governing party. Especially when there's a hung Parliament.

      On the other hand, "Yes Minister" and "Yes, Prime Minister" (written by someone well connected to a former Minister) suggests what little control the politicians have and how much the civil servants are able to exercise their own will.

      The very pieces of art that made me pay attention to the interests in politics. My guess: the US of A have the lobby groups as civil servants.

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    11. Re:Like a ratchet by helenliu · · Score: 1

      sometimes the goverment does good work, sometimes not.

    12. Re:Like a ratchet by repapetilto · · Score: 1

      He's voted consistently for 30 years... it is pretty clear what he stands for. Go find some videos of him berating greenspan in congress, etc.

    13. Re:Like a ratchet by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 4, Insightful
      since they never are able to get rid of their wealthy elite..

      You evidently do not live in the UK (or maybe do not read beyond the headlines)

      We have driven the legitimate wealthy overseas by excessive taxes. Only those who have an illegal income or effective tax scam remain, so we are governed by criminals.

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    14. Re:Like a ratchet by GmExtremacy · · Score: 1

      Libertarianism is a cult. Don't drink the Coolaide.

      Much like left-right politics. And generalizations aren't cool.

    15. Re:Like a ratchet by gknoy · · Score: 2

      I feel that Ron Paul represents my views on several geek-related issues -- the overreach of the TSA, for example. However, his views on other things (like abortion) mean that he's pretty much ineligible for my vote. It's especially frustrating, because I feel like he's one of the only people who shares some of my beliefs, and then I see that he believes exactly opposite me on several other key planks of his campaign platform, and I'm afraid that if I were to get the cure for the things we are kvetching about, I'd also end up seeing him enact the other parts of his agenda I don't agree with.

      So ... yeah. Probably not going to vote for him.

    16. Re:Like a ratchet by Xest · · Score: 2

      Who are these legitimate wealthy that we've supposedly driven away?

    17. Re:Like a ratchet by Mista2 · · Score: 1

      Well, in NZ, we got prostitution legalised 8)

    18. Re:Like a ratchet by TapeCutter · · Score: 2
      It never goes the other way. Ever.

      Yeah right, because government had nothing to do with creating the internet in the first place and corporations had nothing to do will filling it up with content.

      If you're not with Ron Paul and the Freedom movement, you're part of the problem.

      What is it with some Americans that whenever the incantation "freedom" is used their fucking brains fall out? Fact: EVERY civilisation requires that you give up some individual freedom in order to reap the benefits that flow from belonging to it. Sacrificing some individual freedom to achieve the things you want but cannot do alone is one of the founding principles that society is build on, and not just human societies. Self interest and self sacrifice are not two binary options, everyone makes trade-offs everyday by choosing from the vast grey area between in an attempt to find their personal balance. It is so innate to the human phyche that people rarely realise they are doing it all the time.

      So please restrict your freedom to write freedom rants to something that really does impinge on basic human rights. Using it to hyperventilate over a court decision that asserted the 'bad guys' freedoms, or using it to promote your favourite "sheeple" shepard, simply dilutes the credibility of your message with everyone except those in your own flock. If you really want to get a message through to old farts like me who have seen a million messiahs (naught boys?) run for office, then cut out the bullshit rhetoric, just state exactly who lost what "freedom" in this court case and how electing your shepard in the last election would have changed the decision of this particular UK judge, if your facts and logic are sound then I might give your shepard another brownie point (which is moot anyway because I'm an Aussie).

      Disclaimer: In no way does the above imply that I agree with the judge, matter of fact I don't. However my 'personal balance' between self interest and self sacrifice is strongly biased toward the basic principle of the 'rule of law' which means I am compelled to accept the judges role as the arbitrator when individual freedoms collide. I fully acknowledge I am willingly putting myself in a "cage" (re sig) that I occasionally step out of to smoke a J. Of course if this was jockstrap.org and not slashdot.org a simple sports analogy where the judge is the umpire would be enough to get my message and disclaimer understood.

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    19. Re:Like a ratchet by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      (A) The enemy of good is perfect.
      (B) He's never going to win anyway, so voting for him does not mean you risk him implementing the stuff you don't like
      (C) Even if he did win, chances are he couldn't implement the stuff you don't like - Bush was anti-abortion too and look what he did about it - nada.

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    20. Re:Like a ratchet by hjrnunes · · Score: 1

      Doesn't that mean that you end up never actually voting for anyone?

      In other words, can we really expect to find the ideal candidate for every election, as in, the one that represents every (or even most) of one's opinions on all issues?

    21. Re:Like a ratchet by Spacelem · · Score: 1

      Decentralisation is just another way of saying "divide and conquer". Your rights will go faster than ever before, because it's much easier for a single state to introduce laws that hurt its citizens than for it to be introduced across the country, and once one state has introduced something, it's easier for another state to follow.

      Ron Paul is a Republican, which means that unless you're rich, he does not represent your interests. This is just a wonderful way for them to take away your rights while conning you into thinking you're somehow better off.

      Disclaimer: I live in Scotland, I have nothing personally to gain or lose from you voting however you want (although I suppose US global policy does ultimately affect us), but I do care about US citizens being taken advantage of by their politicians.

    22. Re:Like a ratchet by Hognoxious · · Score: 2, Funny

      I stopped at "exponentially". The misuse of mathematical terms is inversely proportional to the intelligence of the writer, and it literally makes my blood boil when people do it.

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    23. Re:Like a ratchet by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      You haven't educated yourself about libertarianism.

      Or, for that matter, Kool-Aid...

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    24. Re:Like a ratchet by Young+Master+Ploppy · · Score: 1

      How often does government say "hey we don't need to regulate this realm anymore because circumstances have changed"?

      IIRC, that's pretty much exactly what they did with the financial sector throughout the last twenty years. Yeah, that worked out well....

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    25. Re:Like a ratchet by heathen_01 · · Score: 1

      Fine, but don't complain when you vote for someone who is campaining for stuff you don't like and them implements said policies once elected.

    26. Re:Like a ratchet by gpmanrpi · · Score: 1

      Well there are 300 million people in the USA. I think that is a fair expectation.

    27. Re:Like a ratchet by Dominic · · Score: 1

      If there isn't a candidate that represents you, stand yourself. What's stopping you? There is never a good excuse not to use your vote - if you don't vote nothing will change.

    28. Re:Like a ratchet by Dominic · · Score: 1

      UK taxes are by no stretch of the imagination 'excessive'. The poorest pay far more than the rich as a percentage of their income. We have a massively regressive tax regime, but then that's what you get when you have a government of millionaires and a public who are easily fooled into blaming the poor for everything.

    29. Re:Like a ratchet by maro6613 · · Score: 1

      . . . and it literally makes my blood boil when people do it.

      I stopped at "literally." The misuse of literary terms is inversely proportional to the intelligence of the writer, and it figuratively makes my blood boil when people do it.

    30. Re:Like a ratchet by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Why was this modded down?

      They have a long list of tax shelters to choose from.

      And while they may have the capital necessary to start a business, if they're hoarding all the profits beyond the minimum needed to keep their workers going I'm not even sure that's a net gain for society.

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    31. Re:Like a ratchet by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      What is it with some Americans that whenever the incantation "freedom" is used their fucking brains fall out?

      Because to some Americans (the libertarians and archaeo-conservatives) their definition of "freedom" is much closer to what we call "anarchy" than the definition we use outside of the US. To them there is no word for the non-US definition of "freedom," the closest they have is "socialism" which has heavy negative connotations, it basically implies a USSR or 1984-style society.

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    32. Re:Like a ratchet by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Fine, but don't complain when you vote for someone who is campaining for stuff you don't like and them implements said policies once elected.

      (A) Only the politics-as-a-team-sport tools ever have 100% agreement with any candidate
      (B) I damn well can complain about the parts I don't like - just because you choose the lesser evil doesn't mean you have to like the evil part

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    33. Re:Like a ratchet by SleazyRidr · · Score: 1

      So you skipped past the actual joke, and then decided to comment about the secondary joke he threw in for people who didn't get the first one. Good work!

    34. Re:Like a ratchet by SleazyRidr · · Score: 1

      1. Monaco offers a very nice lifestyle, and no income tax.
      2. That question is a lot harder than the first one. They may have been operating on the existing infrastructure set up over years, but they have added significant value. There may be a large amount of altruism by "the rich" but it's largely a question of degree. If taxes are so high that they feel they are not being adequately reimbursed for their work, then of course they will change the situation.

    35. Re:Like a ratchet by heathen_01 · · Score: 1

      Ok, complain all you like, but nobody will care as you have just proved you will vote for them anyway regardless. I appreciate that you will never get 100% agreement but by voting for someone you are saying that you are prepared to compromise. If you are not prepared to compromise then don't vote for them. As you have agreed to compromise don't be supripsed when it is impemented as YOU are personally responsible for agreeing to support it.

    36. Re:Like a ratchet by Whibla · · Score: 1

      How often do over reaching laws get repealed? How often does government say "hey we don't need to regulate this realm anymore because circumstances have changed"?
        How often have you seen governments de-centralize things in order to make them more responsive to the needs of the citizens they serve?

      Rarely, but it does happen. It does remain to be seen if anything will come of this. However it also remains to be seen if anything will come of the proposals in the article under discussion. A proposal is not a law.

      If you do live in the UK, and you do care about the governance of the country in which you live, there are ways of making your voice heard. If we chose not to make use of those avenues, or we chose to limit our actions to posting here then we have only ourselves to blame.

      If you're not with Ron Paul and the Freedom movement, you're part of the problem.

      If you do not live in the UK, and you're posting in response to an article regarding proposed changes to the law in the UK, why the f*ck does Ron Paul have anything to do with it?

    37. Re:Like a ratchet by tisepti · · Score: 1

      Eh - Ron Paul is only insane. Which puts him rather on top of this year's batch.

    38. Re:Like a ratchet by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      If you're not with Ron Paul and the Freedom movement, you're part of the problem.

      I was with you until then. Sorry, but before the Clean Air Act was signed and the EPA implimented, it REALLY stank. The air was terrible. Before the Clean Water Act rivers actually caught fire.

      I can't get behind anyone who wants to let some rich bastard ruin my air so he can make a few more million dollars.

      The LPers say that private lawsuits will keep the air clean. Really? Then why was the air so horrible before the EPA?

    39. Re:Like a ratchet by repapetilto · · Score: 1

      So now asserting that there is a difference between two things is a logical fallacy?

    40. Re:Like a ratchet by Tokolosh · · Score: 1
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    41. Re:Like a ratchet by Tokolosh · · Score: 1

      How often does government say "hey we don't need to regulate this realm anymore because circumstances have changed"?

      IIRC, that's pretty much exactly what they did with the financial sector throughout the last twenty years.

      So you are saying that there were fewer pages of SEC rules in 2008 (when the crash happened) than in 1988? Someone please confirm this, I am very curious.

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    42. Re:Like a ratchet by gknoy · · Score: 1

      Thanks! Those were interesting reads, especially the first one that talks about the locus of a president's control, and what types of policy a president is likely to be able to enact/enforce.

  12. Oh, that stiff upper lip thing by singlevalley · · Score: 1

    now we can see that it is no longer stiff

  13. Re:Good by cupantae · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't think you understand how bittorrent works...

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  14. Re:No Web Site for You by lightknight · · Score: 2

    True. Here in the US, you realize quickly that democracy has never graced the halls of the elected or appointed officials.

    Democracy is a powerful lie, which lets people think they have power, right up until the point where they actually need to use it. Then they realize that they have no power, the laws were written by career bureaucrats who have no interest in whether or not they should be making laws, let alone good ones, for the simple reason that they themselves will never be affected by them. We had a judge, up here in Lancaster, PA, who was dismissing her own summons for various traffic violations: she just logged into the system, and altered the records. These are the very judges, mind you, who do not allow you a jury (sorry, it's just misdemeanor!) when you got to fight them, and who lovingly (he said sarcastically) click their tongues and berate you over the 'danger to society' your reckless driving could have caused, while the trooper (who arranged the date for his day off (time and a half, right guys?) and on the day you need to be elsewhere) smiles his knowing smile (he's a professional witness, your word against his...sure it's a racket, but fuck you).

    I've realize why they have the Bible in the courtroom -> because by the time you get there, only God can save you.

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  15. Anarchy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Is this the MPAA
    Is this the BSA
    Is this RIAA
    I thought it was the UK
    Or just another country...

  16. Re:Idiotic Comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Good boy! Now go and get your 30 silver dollars from RIAA.

  17. Re:Idiotic Comments by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

    Because, of course, culture didn't exist prior to the development of copyright...

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  18. Re:Idiotic Comments by mykos · · Score: 1

    Are you saying humanity is doomed if we don't charge money for ideas?

    Or are you saying humanity doomed if we don't censor the internet and imprison people charge money for ideas?

    Or both?

  19. Re:Idiotic Comments by mykos · · Score: 1

    Whoops, meant to ask "Are you saying humanity doomed if we don't censor the internet and imprison people who don't pay royalties for spreading ideas?"

  20. Information sharing is a natural right by c0lo · · Score: 1

    information sharing is a natural right

    FTFY.

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    1. Re:Information sharing is a natural right by GmExtremacy · · Score: 2

      I've never come across these "natural" rights. Who created them? How do we know what is and is not a "natural right"? All I've seen is rights granted by law.

    2. Re:Information sharing is a natural right by c0lo · · Score: 1

      I've never come across these "natural" rights. Who created them? How do we know what is and is not a "natural right"? All I've seen is rights granted by law.

      Imagine a total ban on information sharing between any members of the human race: for how long you reckon the race is still going to exists?

      Besides, I provided you with the citation on wikipedia: you are a sincerely curious, you can start your discovery journey from there... who knows, maybe we'll see a new philosophical genius being "born" in your person (even if it wouldn't be quite original idea, there was somebody else before to say "fiat justitia et pereat mundus").

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    3. Re:Information sharing is a natural right by GmExtremacy · · Score: 1

      Imagine a total ban on information sharing between any members of the human race: for how long you reckon the race is still going to exists?

      I don't know, and I don't see how that's relevant to whether natural rights exist or not.

      Besides, I provided you with the citation on wikipedia

      It wasn't enough. As far as I saw, there is no reason for me to believe that rights are anything but things granted by government/law. No direct evidence of natural rights. Mere speculation.

    4. Re:Information sharing is a natural right by c0lo · · Score: 1

      Imagine a total ban on information sharing between any members of the human race: for how long you reckon the race is still going to exists?

      I don't know, and I don't see how that's relevant to whether natural rights exist or not.

      (must be one of those day you are dense. Does it happen often?)
      Let me elaborate:
      a. a "human right" must be universal and unalienable - that is: applicable to all members of the humanity and should not be denied to any of the humans
      b. you can discriminate between a natural right and legal right by applying the criterion: if you deny the right to all the humanity, will the human race continue to exist? If negative, than it's a natural right (or, at least, as natural as the need of the humanity to continue to exist). If not, it may or may not be the subject of a law (on the ground that one of the fundamental rights of every citizen: If it is not forbidden by a law, it is allowed, except for the public authorities for which Everything that is not specifically allowed, it's forbidden ).

      Besides, I provided you with the citation on wikipedia

      It wasn't enough. As far as I saw, there is no reason for me to believe that rights are anything but things granted by government/law. No direct evidence of natural rights. Mere speculation.

      Well done citizen. Indeed: you are allowed, nay... required!, to believe this is a mere speculation - even if the enemies of the civilization (as you know it) would try to say otherwise.

      It is only because the government allowed you to share information with your girl/boy-friend that you are able to say "I love you". If the government would not exist or would not allow you to, you will surely die, because you couldn't ask for food.

      Now, aren't you grateful to this wonderful government which is so wise and granted you the right to speak? Why wouldn't you express your gratitude right now, cons... ah, pardon, I meant...
      Citizen! Don't forget, it is always a good time to exercise your right to share some information about your needs, so do your duty to buy and consume something; the more often, the better.

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    5. Re:Information sharing is a natural right by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Natural rights aren't legally enshrined, merely a philosophy. For people who aren't horribly broken inside, it's a difficult topic and takes some study to properly understand, but the way I'd sum it up is that natural rights are the inherent capabilities of animals. Hardcore libertarians and anarchists promote them as a reasonable set of rights a person should have, which I find disgusting.

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    6. Re:Information sharing is a natural right by _8553454222834292266 · · Score: 1

      Hardcore libertarians and anarchists promote them as a reasonable set of rights a person should have, which I find disgusting.

      Care to elaborate on what you find so disgusting about these rights?

    7. Re:Information sharing is a natural right by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Nothing about the rights themselves, of course we should all have them, but the idea that those should be the only rights society affords to a person.

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    8. Re:Information sharing is a natural right by GmExtremacy · · Score: 1

      a. a "human right" must be universal and unalienable

      Never heard of such a thing.

      b. you can discriminate between a natural right and legal right by applying the criterion: if you deny the right to all the humanity, will the human race continue to exist?

      Please elaborate on how a law's inconvenience proves that natural rights exist.

      It is only because the government allowed you to share information with your girl/boy-friend that you are able to say "I love you". If the government would not exist or would not allow you to, you will surely die, because you couldn't ask for food.

      Except that I don't think that rights are merely the ability to do something. I have the ability to murder someone for no reason, but does that mean I have a "natural right" to do it?

      I see rights as things given to you by government/law (usually agreed upon by citizens). Now, no matter what magical entity you think is working behind the scenes, I simply don't see evidence that has proven otherwise.

    9. Re:Information sharing is a natural right by GmExtremacy · · Score: 1

      For people who aren't horribly broken inside, it's a difficult topic and takes some study to properly understand, but the way I'd sum it up is that natural rights are the inherent capabilities of animals.

      That's what they appear to be. And if that's true, then I have the "natural right" to murder innocents.

      Of course, isn't speaking of capabilities kind of... useless? Regardless of your capabilities, the government can and will try to restrict certain behavior. Whether you think you have "natural rights" or not is quite meaningless. A "natural right" that has been infringed and is no longer recognized by the government seems to be no different than a right that the government took away by law/never gave you.

    10. Re:Information sharing is a natural right by c0lo · · Score: 1

      a. a "human right" must be universal and unalienable

      Never heard of such a thing.

      Therefore it does not exists, right? How stupid of them to declare otherwise (please note: it is the declaration of human rights, not the grant/bill/law).

      b. you can discriminate between a natural right and legal right by applying the criterion: if you deny the right to all the humanity, will the human race continue to exist?

      Please elaborate on how a law's inconvenience proves that natural rights exist.

      Why should I? It's a matter of defining a concept, not a proof.

      It is only because the government allowed you to share information with your girl/boy-friend that you are able to say "I love you". If the government would not exist or would not allow you to, you will surely die, because you couldn't ask for food.

      Except that I don't think that rights are merely the ability to do something.

      Indeed, they are not. So...?

      Now, no matter what magical entity you think is working behind the scenes, I simply don't see evidence that has proven otherwise.

      Right! Evidence for the definition of philosophical concepts... Would you like some fries with that?

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    11. Re:Information sharing is a natural right by GmExtremacy · · Score: 1

      Therefore it does not exists, right?

      Now where did I say that? I didn't. I just don't believe in natural rights. You can, of course, but I'm merely trying to imply that there is, as far as I know, no actual evidence for their existence.

      How stupid of them to declare otherwise (please note: it is the declaration of human rights, not the grant/bill/law).

      That's nice and all, but if they said the flying spaghetti monster exists, I don't think that would make it exist.

      Why should I? It's a matter of defining a concept, not a proof.

      "Information sharing is a natural right"

      That was a statement of a fact, not a statement of a mere belief or opinion. That led me to believe that you might have some actual evidence to back that up.

      Indeed, they are not. So...?

      "It is only because the government allowed you to share information with your girl/boy-friend that you are able to say "I love you"."

      You spoke of being "able" to do something as if having the ability to do something was relevant. But maybe I misinterpreted you.

      Right! Evidence for the definition of philosophical concepts

      Well, okay. I just don't see any reason that anyone, or more specifically, I, should believe in such philosophical concepts when there's no evidence that they're true. Especially in cases like this where they seem indistinguishable from something that we already know exists (rights granted by law) and their supposed existence doesn't seem to affect anything.

    12. Re:Information sharing is a natural right by c0lo · · Score: 1

      Therefore it does not exists, right?

      Now where did I say that? I didn't. I just don't believe in natural rights. You can, of course, but I'm merely trying to imply that there is, as far as I know, no actual evidence for their existence.

      If speaking of the context of a concept definition, the correct form of expression would be "I don't accept your definition" (on which I'd ask: what do you find unacceptable: the genus or the differentia?).

      Of course, in a discussion context of "embodiment of the concept in reality", one can ask for a proof/evidence of how the concept is observable in the current human behavior. Or, even one may wonder if one needs to ponder on philosophical concepts at all - I believe it still worth it.

      Why should I? It's a matter of defining a concept, not a proof.

      "Information sharing is a natural right"

      That was a statement of a fact, not a statement of a mere belief or opinion. That led me to believe that you might have some actual evidence to back that up.

      That was a statement of a definition... I think this very confusion is the root of us "speaking together and understanding separately".

      Indeed, they are not. So...?

      "It is only because the government allowed you to share information with your girl/boy-friend that you are able to say "I love you"."

      You spoke of being "able" to do something as if having the ability to do something was relevant. But maybe I misinterpreted you.

      Well, I was discussing in the context of "natural right - the definition". "Able" was a poor choice of words indeed.

      Side-track: do you believe one has the right to dig 1 foot hole on the Mars surface? (should daVinci have waited for someone to grant him the right to fly before designing his air screw or glider. Obviously, he wasn't been able to fly).

      Right! Evidence for the definition of philosophical concepts

      Well, okay. I just don't see any reason that anyone, or more specifically, I, should believe in such philosophical concepts when there's no evidence that they're true. Especially in cases like this where they seem indistinguishable from something that we already know exists (rights granted by law) and their supposed existence doesn't seem to affect anything.

      Not willing to think of things that don't exists? Not believing some of these things things worth the effort of being transposed into reality?

      PS My admiration for still staying in touch on the topic in spite of the rude artistic licenses I used.

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    13. Re:Information sharing is a natural right by GmExtremacy · · Score: 1

      That was a statement of a definition... I think this very confusion is the root of us "speaking together and understanding separately".

      I would've said that it is considered to be a natural right by certain people (or yourself).

      Side-track: do you believe one has the right to dig 1 foot hole on the Mars surface? (should daVinci have waited for someone to grant him the right to fly before designing his air screw [wikimedia.org] or glider [epicphysics.com]. Obviously, he wasn't been able to fly).

      I don't think it was illegal, so I don't see why waiting would be necessary.

      Not willing to think of things that don't exists? Not believing some of these things things worth the effort of being transposed into reality?

      Both?

    14. Re:Information sharing is a natural right by c0lo · · Score: 1

      Not willing to think of things that don't exists? Not believing some of these things things worth the effort of being transposed into reality?

      Both?

      Really? No even dreams about how your life should be in the future?

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    15. Re:Information sharing is a natural right by GmExtremacy · · Score: 1

      Really? No even dreams about how your life should be in the future?

      I guess I didn't really know exactly what you meant.

    16. Re:Information sharing is a natural right by GmExtremacy · · Score: 1

      Then why don't they simply call them abilities or something such as that? It appears that having a natural right to do something is not the same as merely having the ability to do something.

      Not only that, but I also have the ability to kill innocents. When someone claims that I have a "natural right," I don't think they're merely referring to my ability to do something.

      That said, I don't truly believe they will ever stop copyright infringement or anything similar.

    17. Re:Information sharing is a natural right by _8553454222834292266 · · Score: 1

      Interesting, thanks for the answer. Hadn't looked at it that way before.

  21. Re:Idiotic Comments by c0lo · · Score: 1

    Whoops, meant to ask "Are you saying humanity doomed if we don't censor the internet and imprison people who don't pay royalties for spreading ideas?"

    Challenge: show me an idea on TPB, I promise I'll download and seed it.

    On the other hand, if you'd replace "idea" with "information", I might be tempted to agree with you.

    (hint: careful with those words, they tend to cut both ways).

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  22. Re:Idiotic Comments by DesScorp · · Score: 2

    Because, of course, culture didn't exist prior to the development of copyright...

    Commercialized culture didn't. Great art was done almost exclusively by commission for wealthy patrons or religions. All those great Greek statues and buildings? Religious temples and art. All of the famous Byzantine and Medeival art? For churches. The explosion of the new masters in the Renaissance? Paid for by the Catholic Church and the Medici's and other rich Italian families. Great art paid for by the masses by popular demand? It didn't exist. If you made a good living, it's because you found a rich patron. Otherwise, you didn't eat unless you could really wow 'em on the street corner. Even then, most times, artists of all stripes were poor. Patronage made our best art happen.

    Good luck getting that system to work now. There's a reason why the "free music" model bands have failed: all of the really talented acts want to, you know, get rich. The copyright system allows them (and authors and filmmakers and playrights, etc) to make a good living. Take copyright away, and the vast majority of the El Cheapo public wouldn't put forth a dime. Bye bye Beatles, Rolling Stones, and Led Zeppelin. Bye bye, Orson Welles, Steven Spielberg, and Peter Jackson. Bye bye, Stephen King, Herman Wouk, Ernest Hemingway.

    People want to make money. And the "give it for free and hope good things happen" model doesn't work. If you want to convince Bill Gates or Warren Buffett to pay promising new bands to make records that are available to the public gratis, go for it. I bet they laugh at you, though.

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  23. How about "Piledriver Effect" by srussia · · Score: 1

    Honestly, we need a "Streisand Effect" term for what happens when legislation merely prompts sites to use the encrypted areas of the internet.

    Because it just drives people deeper underground.

    On second thought, maybe "Jamiroquai Effect" might sound hipper.

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    1. Re:How about "Piledriver Effect" by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 2

      On second thought, maybe "Jamiroquai Effect" might sound hipper.

      Maybe in the 90's.

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    2. Re:How about "Piledriver Effect" by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      The further underground it goes, the harder it will be for the common people to find. I know people who are just now discovering the existence of bittorrent. I think as geeks we sometimes don't realize how much the non-geeks really lag behind in terms of knowing what even exists out there on the internet. Most of the people I know who pirate a lot, do so on private forums. I think it's always been this way. First it was private FTP sites or Private IRC channels. Now it's private torrent sites with private trackers. But 99.9% of people will never figure out how to use all these hidden channels. If they can keep out the common people, then they've done most of their job.

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  24. Re:Idiotic Comments by mykos · · Score: 1

    I don't disagree with you here...those words are interchangeable in my mind.

    Also, purely non-loaded question that I'm asking out of genuine curiosity: Would you seed copyrighted works that are informational, like Carl Sagan's Cosmos?

  25. Re:Can we just ban violins on television? by retroworks · · Score: 1

    I can't tell whether this is offtopic or a brilliant channelling of Emily Litela, available only on hulu. http://www.hulu.com/watch/2364/saturday-night-live-weekend-update-emily-litella-on-violins-on-tv

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  26. I'm uncertain how Piratebay infringes copyright by maroberts · · Score: 1

    Maybe someone can educate me as to what Piratebay does that Google doesn't.

    Whilst PirateBay obviously deliberately encourages a view that it is an organisation that skirts close to the law, as far as I am aware it does nothing that any other search engine doesn't. i.e. it simply returns a list of locations where the searched for content can be found.

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    1. Re:I'm uncertain how Piratebay infringes copyright by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      Exists, apparently, for the sole purpose of assisting copyright infringement, and sends mocking replies to anyone who complains.

      It's more what Google does that The Pirate Bay doesn't. Has a substantial portion of links to legitimate content, and takes down links to obviously pirated content when requested.

    2. Re:I'm uncertain how Piratebay infringes copyright by GmExtremacy · · Score: 1

      It's more what Google does that The Pirate Bay doesn't. Has a substantial portion of links to legitimate content, and takes down links to obviously pirated content when requested.

      The problem with forcing them to do this is that once your website becomes sufficiently large enough, manually responding to take down requests becomes nearly impossible. This forces you to rely on far less-than-perfect automated systems that cause collateral damage. That or give copyright holders the power to take things down themselves, but again, I wouldn't trust that solution at all, either.

    3. Re:I'm uncertain how Piratebay infringes copyright by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      Maybe.

      The problem is that The Pirate Bay offered no reason to believe it existed for any purpose other than aiding piracy. It's even called "The Pirate Bay". Even if we ignore that, it should have been obvious to the founders that such a service is likely to be used largely for copyright infringement. Legal opinion is that this is harmful (if you disagree then your objection is to copyright law, and not its application in this case). Running a service that you know is harmful to others tends to be viewed poorly by the courts, especially if you make absolutely no effort to deal with the harm done

      If you're actually profiting from it, then it seems a lot more likely that you're not dealing with the problem because of the profits.

    4. Re:I'm uncertain how Piratebay infringes copyright by Shados · · Score: 1

      While there's probably (most likely) dodgy interpretation of a lot of laws involved, I would think the difference is the intent. If google's index showed warez 90%+ of the time, they never removed anything from it, and renamed themselves to "Pirate Search", they'd probably be in dicey water too.

    5. Re:I'm uncertain how Piratebay infringes copyright by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      TPB is even further detached from the material they link to than Google is at this point. Technically all search engines are more involved in piracy than TPB is now.

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  27. Bah, typical copyright troll by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 3, Interesting

    He doesn't post anything substantial because he can't. His own rant proofs copyright is not needed to ensure art survives. The post DesScorp below is also a snob, ignoring folk art, such as song and story telling which survived and thrived perfectly fine without patronage or copyright. The dutch "Smartlap" (tearjerker song) was a type of troubadour, those songs are still sung, they were not high art with patrons but simple performers making their living from live concerts.

    Ah, but good living... of course, just because you sing a song, you and 5 generations of your kids (see yesterday story about perputual copyright) should be millionaires. Forget nurses doing stuff nobody else wants to do and saving human lives day in, day out for minimum wage. The true social injustice of our time is artists not being able to afford another Ferrari.

    Technology has changed art and will continue to do so regardless of what some dinosaurs might desire. It isn't just recent stuff like the cassette tape but far older stuff like cheap musical instruments, printed sheet music, mechanical instruments. Even things like the movies going from silent to talkies. Once each movie theather had a pit for the band to play music to accompany the silent movie. Then, long before talkies were introduced, record players took over to save costs and put an artist out of work. Movies themselves killed Vaudeville.

    Tech changed and the world adapted. Copyright was a result of tech changes so why shouldn't new tech changes not change copyright?

    Trolls like brit74 are living under a bridge trying to pretend the world is unchanging and that laws which were once valid should remain valid indefinitely. He can't cope with a changing world, his kind would have kept slavery going just because that is the way things are.

    Copyright is doomed in a world where digital media can be perfectly reproduced by anyone at trivial costs. It isn't even a case anymore about whether copyright is just or not. It ain't just either that 1% of the world lives with more money then they could ever possibly spent while millions starve.

    The invention of the gun forever changed murder. Shooting someone is easy, far easier then choking them to death, feeling them struggle as you choke the life out of them. Shoot them and they just fall over and that is it. We haven't been able to outlaw the idea of the gun and even gun control has been impossible.

    So what change do we have of putting digital copying back in the bag?

    I have a proposal, every piece of recorded music must be taxed and the tax sent to live performers and instrument makers. And every printed music sheet needs a tax to compensate the monks who used to copy these works by hand. And the monks need to pay those who passed music on through teach and oral tradition. All the way back so the first caveman can live comfortable on his original art.

    The content industry needs to adapt or it will go the way of other industries before that have been made obsolete or un-economical by the march of progress. If this means that commercial art dies... then so be it. Humanity will survive without and whatever comes in its place might even be greater. Or not but trying to stop the future is futile.

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  28. Really? by xenobyte · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Swedish authorities already raided The Pirate Bay and found nothing, zip, zitch, zero infringing files on their servers. So how can it breach any copyright laws?

    Sure, it facilitates file sharing and those files shared may be copyrighted... but it plays no larger role than for instance roads do in various other crimes. I mean, a road is used to facilitate almost all crimes, either as the crime scene itself or as a means of getting there or escaping afterwards. Sure, roads have legitimate uses but given that almost all crimes involve them, they do play an instrumental role.

    So... if roads are not put on trial for their involvement in all those other crimes (they're just passive means, but they're there), why persecute The Pirate Bay for copyright infringement as they're also just passive means. The Pirate Bay is simply a portal, nothing more. There's no content, no hashes, no trackers. All content resides elsewhere. They have no access to hashes of the complete files shared and also have no reference hashes to verify against in order to eliminate copyrighted content, so in essence they want to ban the principle of file sharing just because you may be sharing something copyrighted.

    The conclusion for the courts: Censorship for no other purpose than to quench the concept of file sharing. Possibly infringing files are not transferred through The Pirate Bay in any way and yet it must be banned?

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    1. Re:Really? by gsslay · · Score: 1

      Your analogy is totally flawed. If a road is built for a legitimate purpose then clearly it is not at fault if it is also used for illegal purposes.

      But if someone built a road up the back of a bank, for no other reason that it helped stage a robbery and fast get-away, would you be surprised if the police wanted to talk to those who built it? Would you be outraged if they ripped it up? Blocked access to it? After all it's just a road. Roads aren't illegal. It's not as if they steal money.

      Intent is everything. If you create something with the obvious intent that it be used for a crime, then there are laws regarding facilitating and plotting said crime. And even if laws don't quite cover it, claiming innocence of everything that your creation does is plain dumb ignorance of your moral responsibilities.

    2. Re:Really? by jimicus · · Score: 1

      "I would like the law" to operate in this way is not the same thing as "The law operates in this way".

      Must confess I haven't read the actual judgement, but if the article in The Register is anything to go by, the legal argument that led to the Pirate Bay being blocked (even though my ISP doesn't appear to have blocked it yet....) was that its purpose was more-or-less exclusively to encourage copyright infringement on a large scale.

      To go back to your road analogy, the government would probably pay more attention to roads if they were emblazoned with signs like "Shortcut to Evade Police", "Body Hiding Place 200 yards" and "Poorly secured bank that gets a delivery of cash on the dot of 11:00 every day, next left. Park 50 yards down the road; they're bastards for towing away around here and if you're not careful they'll tow you away so quickly you'll get out and find your getaway car's disappeared".

    3. Re:Really? by kinnell · · Score: 1

      Moreover, by providing links to infringing material, they are also helping the content owners. They could quite happily download all the torrents, identify the IP addresses of seeders, have the courts issue warrants to identify the seeders from their IP addresses and pursue copyright claims against the individuals. Of course that would be more costly, so lets break the internet so they can increase their profit margins.

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    4. Re:Really? by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      The Swedish authorities already raided The Pirate Bay and found nothing, zip, zitch, zero infringing files on their servers. So how can it breach any copyright laws?

      My guess is that it's to do with the precedent where Newzbin was blocked from ISPs in the UK for "deliberately indexing copyrighted content" and the site was intended to encourage "copyright infringement".

      Possibly infringing files are not transferred through The Pirate Bay in any way and yet it must be banned?

      Based on the precedent it's not possibly any more, it's "deliberately indexing copyrighted content" that is intended to encourage "copyright infringement".

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    5. Re:Really? by maroberts · · Score: 1

      Yes, but against this are some European court decisions which have clearly indicated that websites have no duty to monitor whether their users post infringing content. If the process of indexing is automated, then I would suggest there is no "deliberately" involved.

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    6. Re:Really? by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

      Yes, it would be pretty outrageous if they messed with a road on your land. If the action is legal intent is irrelevant. That's why it's perfectly OK to minimize your taxes even though your intent is to pay less than your "moral responsibilities" would demand.

    7. Re:Really? by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      Yes, but against this are some European court decisions which have clearly indicated that websites have no duty to monitor whether their users post infringing content.

      Not really, because the examples in these decisions have nothing to do with "deliberately indexing copyrighted content" that is intended to encourage "copyright infringement".

      If the process of indexing is automated, then I would suggest there is no "deliberately" involved.

      The thing about what was considered "deliberate" in the Newzbin case was Newzbin's categories for "CAM," "screener," "telesync," "DVD,"R5 retail","Blu-ray," and "HD DVD", the court found claims that this did not indicate a deliberate move to encourage "copyright infringement" as "simply not credible".

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    8. Re:Really? by The+High+Druid · · Score: 1

      There are road signs telling you what speed you can drive at, which vehicles are allowed to use the road and which direction you are allowed to travel, not to mention police and cameras watching the roads to try to catch people breaking the rules. And while you may find a road that isn't being watched very closely, when you start to get a lot of people breaking the rules on that road you can be sure the cameras will go up and the police will start patrolling it.

  29. One big file-sharing ISP that won't be turned... by acey72 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Janet, the Joint Academic Network, that connects all the UK universities, colleges, schools etc. has a strict policy against content-filtering - partly because it's against the ethos of an academic network and partly because they're bright enough to realise that it wouldn't work:

    there is no centrally imposed filtering of web, e-mail or other content provided by the network; indeed, such filtering would be ineffective as the network provides many possible routes to bypass any solution implemented at a single point.

    http://www.ja.net/documents/publications/factsheets/072-janet-and-internet-filtering.pdf

    Bearing in-mind that most academic institutions use Janet for their student's Internet access, and most file-sharers are in the 18-25 age group, and something like 45% of 18-25 year olds go to university...

  30. Uncomfortable truths by wye43 · · Score: 2

    Very insightful. This is natural. As part of their internal optimizer, most people want the most with the minimum amount of effort. If possible, everything for free. Now. I'm so tired of kids thinking they are somehow entitled to everything, for just being born.

    But this is not something new, most people are shortsighted, and that include most of Slashdot's audience. Those few who actually take the effort to think a bit into the future will always be in advantage, and those who are used to receive everything for free will be paralyzed when they hit a real problem.

    On the other hand, we have to keep in mind this is media, and media is not about cold, absolute and truthful information. Its about entertainment. People come here to be entertained, to have fun, not to listen to uncomfortable truths. Lies and misinformation are ok, fun must prevail at all costs.

    These kind of comments will always be unpopular, thus modded down into oblivion, even if they are in fact insightful. This is where democracy fails. I'll join you in -1 hell. Fuck stupidity!

    1. Re:Uncomfortable truths by JohnnyMindcrime · · Score: 2

      You need to be of the older generation (like me) to get the full appreciation of the impact of free access to commercial media.

      There's a psychological issue here also, in that getting something for free actually causes you to value and appreciate it much less, so you just end up collecting more and more of it.

      I and a bunch of friends used to be the same with PC games. Go back around ten years, we would download all the cracked games from Usenet and hand them out to each other, we literally had hundreds of CDRs with cracked games on them. But nobody ever fully appreciated the games, it didn't matter because there were plenty more to download and try.

      I actually ended up spending more time burning the downloads to CDs and acting as a "help desk" to friends who didn't have the skills to get the cracked games to run. I actually got so bored with it all that one day I just slung the whole lot in the bin and stopped PC gaming completely.

      A couple of years later, I started PC gaming again, but just playing the stuff I knew would be good and buying legal copies. Yes, games are frequently expensive, but I've just learnt patience and can wait a few months for the price of a game to go down if I don't want to pay full price for it. But as a result I do enjoy my PC gaming a lot more now.

      I'm the same with music. I'm a huge rock music fan, I used to download stacks and stacks of albums from Usenet but, again, I hoarded it and hardly listened to any of it - and got bored with it. Nowadays, if I find an interesting looking album then I download it, listen to it and either buy it on CD if it's good or just delete the downloads. As a result, I only pay for music that I know is worth the money, I therefore think music is good value for money and listen to more of it (both at home and live) than I've ever done.

      I'm not trying to preach about the wrongs of piracy, the quality of most media and games out there is crap and not worth the money being asked of it. But having free access to it does lessen the enjoyment overall and these days part of the fun is hunting out the good stuff at the best prices.

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  31. Have they learned nothing? by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

    Even if they do manage to get the pirate bay blacklisted in the uk, here comes memateyscaven.org. Even that's unnessesery everyone will just go to demonoid or one of the many others sites serving the exact same content.

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  32. Re:Idiotic Comments by kyrio · · Score: 1

    That's so weird! I thought musicians, orchestras, artists and entertainers existed, serving public audiences, before 1950. Wow, I guess public shows, recordings, street art, plays, circuses, and museums only came into existence after the RIAA and MPAA were created.

    No, wait, you are just a nonsense spewing retard.

  33. Re:One big file-sharing ISP that won't be turned.. by JohnnyMindcrime · · Score: 1

    That's not my experience.

    My nephew is in halls of residence at one UK university and whilst he does have Internet access on the university network from his room, he cannot even connect to the PlayStation network from it - plus every file-sharing site that he has tried is blocked.

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  34. Re:One big file-sharing ISP that won't be turned.. by Mista2 · · Score: 1

    Just ask some Chinese friends what proxies they use to bypass their blockade 8)

  35. Re:One big file-sharing ISP that won't be turned.. by Mista2 · · Score: 1

    Oh, and after they block the pirate bay, are they going to go after IRC? And then the darknet that will follow 8)

  36. I strangely like this by tlambert · · Score: 1

    The problem with "freedom" is that people like you use it wrong, and make incorrect choices. It's all there in black and white, and people still vote for racists like Santorum with a smile on their faces. Having proven that you can't be trusted with political power, others must step in and run things for you, the correct way. We're just lucky we have so many smart people who know better. You had your chance and you blew it. No sympathy here.

    But I like it because I am in the class of "smart people", so I am incredibly biased, as are probably most slashdot persons. Way to play to the audience...

    -- Terry

  37. I'll never understand it.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why the hell do authorities have such a boner for the Pirate Bay?

    The pirate bay is on the news every other day, while all the other trackers get completely ignored.

    Better trackers, which are way, way better than TPB in most cases.

    What's the story?

    1. Re:I'll never understand it.. by TheSpoom · · Score: 1

      Big content are big lobbyists. Lobbyists pay for politicians' campaigns. Ergo, without lobbyists' support, politicians would not get reelected, meaning they would not continue to have access to the power and cash they currently have.

      This, of course, suggests that the system is broken, and it is, but politicians control the system and politicians benefit from it being broken.

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    2. Re:I'll never understand it.. by DanielRavenNest · · Score: 1

      You mean aside from the site's name? And the fact that it has defied several shutdown attempts, and even taunts the authorities?

      Besides, it's a good thing they focus on TPB exclusively. That leaves the other 999 tracker sites alone. It's a useful distraction while better technology gets developed.

  38. Re:Idiotic Comments by JohnnyMindcrime · · Score: 1

    If NOBODY traded money for ideas, how much media do you think would be out there for others to download freely?

    And, assuming you have a job, isn't that precisely what YOU are being paid for? And are you prepared to give you labour away free based on the same principles?

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  39. Re:One big file-sharing ISP that won't be turned.. by LordSnooty · · Score: 1

    Indeed. JANET themselves may not operate filtering but the IT departments who operate the university networks which connect to JANET most definitely do. I speak as a former employee of one such institution.

  40. The Pirate Swarm by Thnurg · · Score: 5, Interesting

    At 90MB for the whole site what are the authorities going to do when thousands of us are mirroring TPB on a dedicated Raspberry Pi each?

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    1. Re:The Pirate Swarm by Krneki · · Score: 1

      Ban static IP addresses for not registered users and put the rest behind a NAT.

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    2. Re:The Pirate Swarm by DanielRavenNest · · Score: 1

      90MB isn't the whole site, just a scraped list of the titles and magnet links, but that is enough to allow torrenting to continue. The whole site would include the descriptions and user comments.

      The interesting part of that 90MB index is *it is also a torrent*. It has it's own magnet link, so that short string of text is sufficient to get the index, from which you can get anything else. Such meta-torrents make it possible to dispense with websites entirely. The Pirate Bay numbers it's pages, so you can issue a base index, and then tweet updates on a regular basis as magnet links. Future torrent indexes can contain more info than just the title and magnet link. They would be larger, but also more useful.

  41. Re:People still use the pirate bay?! by dominious · · Score: 1

    Yes, really. I'm using it too. Why?

  42. Re:Idiotic Comments by mykos · · Score: 1

    You seem to be under the impression that people would be unwilling to pay money for media if the law didn't force them to do so under threat of violence and censor the internet to accomplish the same.

    If nobody were required by law to pay for media, the media companies would adapt or die, just like every other business who doesn't have the government forcing people to buy their products. For example, you can get water for free or next to nothing, yet the water industry is booming.

    They key is to make a convenient package and reasonable prices and people will pay for just about anything. You don't sell water; you sell convenience.

  43. Re:Idiotic Comments by c0lo · · Score: 1

    Challenge: show me an idea on TPB, I promise I'll download and seed it.

    Show me an idea in any material produced by the MPAA / RIAA?

    Nah... even they would admit this is impossible.
    Besides, the MPAA/RIAA content doesn't make the majority of TPB... yes, I know, it sound close to phonography, but it's not... and, from this other content, there are better chances to get some ideas on improving your life (or at least some aspects of it).

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  44. Keep trying to whack moles. Evolution's a bitch. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Note to the MAFIAA:

    Note to the MAFIAA:

    Keep trying to whack moles. You may win the odd battle, but you're losing the war badly. And its your own fucking fault this all happened. YOU are to blame for the creation of artificial scarcity and solely to blame for the utter failure to address the demand for 15 years. Apple had to snooker you into joining the modern age and you still fucked that up.

    One day soon, the dictionary definition of the noun "fail" will be footnoted: "see "MAFIAA".

    May you burn in hell forever, you dirty, low-life, slimy, miserable dog-turds. I used to speak out in your defense against file-sharing here and elsewhere. But your totally fucked attitude over the years turned me into a big supporter of file-sharing and turned your friends (and best customers, like me), into your enemy.

    Evolution's a bitch. It won't do anything you say, fucks you repeatedly, and leaves you for dead in the end. Your choice was to march with the modern age and prosper or stand against it and die.

    Wrong choice, assholes. Now you die.

  45. Re:Idiotic Comments by Kjella · · Score: 2

    If you go back that far, there were plenty forms of entertainment but no way to record them. I'm sure there were plenty taverns with entertainment to draw people that operated a very much so commercial operation, but there was nobody there with a microphone. A painting could only hang on one person's wall unless someone carefully repainted it and a sculpture is even harder to copy. I'm sure people paid to see Shakespeare's plays but there was nobody with a video camera present. Scribes were required to copy books, a luxury only the rich could afford. Even after the invention of the printing press you'd need not only the press but also some form of distribution and retail outlets if you wanted to sell on more than your own street corner.

    In short, there was no way you could directly reach the masses and there was no way the masses could directly pay you back. Taking on ten patrons each paying 10% of the cost meant they expected ten pictures to hang on the wall not one, which is far more work than one. Today you can put up a server on the Internet and a Paypal account and reach billions of people. Whether one patron pays you $10,000 or a thousand patrons pay you $10 is almost irrelevant. Okay so maybe you wouldn't be able to pay tens of millions of dollars to headline actors, directors and such. But what else would they do? Like the market is now such that you can make $1 million instead of $30 million per movie, you want to take it or go down to McDonalds and try looking good?

    I don't blame people for following the money, I'd do the same too. But people don't leave and find other work until the money is so little it's worth a career change. Your star quarterback, if you halved his pay he'd go to another team. If every team halved his pay, he'd still be there playing a quarterback. How much does a writer need to earn to make more money than they do doing anything else? You don't need to be J. K. Rowling and make $800 million. I'm sure she'd do it for $8 million if there was no way to make more. The works don't go away until the creators behind them do, and I'm confident we'd throw in enough money to do just that.

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  46. Re:Idiotic Comments by Kjella · · Score: 1

    The works don't go away until the creators behind them do, and I'm confident we'd throw in enough money to avoid just that.

    FTFM

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  47. Re:No Web Site for You by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    Yep, sorry to tell you this direct-democracy haters, but if it isn't a "tyranny of the majority" then you've got a system that allows you to be tyrannized by the only alternative group...

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    "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
  48. Tor, Magnet links, OneSwarm, etc. by Weezul · · Score: 1

    Tor for bypassing the restriction. Or magnet link packs from thepiratebay.se hosted elsewhere. OneSwarm for protecting yourself from the MafiAA.

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  49. How would they do this? by Arashi256 · · Score: 1

    Would the ISPs block it by simply removing that entry from their DNS servers? If so, won't it be trivial to reconfigure your router to get it's name servers from OpenDNS or Google? How else would it be blocked?

  50. Re:No Web Site for You by lightknight · · Score: 2

    Rule by an apathetic populace would be considered a possible downfall of this system.

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  51. He is right by chrb · · Score: 1

    45% is the national average. In some areas it's 80% (That article points out that the national figures for Iceland, Finland and Slovakia are 70%-80%)

    It's a good idea - if your population is educated, then they are likely to be more productive, higher earners, less likely to be reliant on benefits etc.

    1. Re:He is right by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      Tell that to all the people who've just finished their educations to find that there are no jobs for them.

      There is such a thing as over-qualified and over-educated, no matter how little the college/university-focused western world wants to admit it.

      Your level of education is still secondary to who you are and how you approach problem-solving, that's not really soemthing you can learn in any effective way. I went to a vocational school, took a 5-year IT education and getting paid more than most of my colleagues, who are all academics.

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  52. Re:People still use the pirate bay?! by Windows+Breaker+G4 · · Score: 1

    I haven't heard anyone mention it or talk about using it in years.

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  53. Re:People still use the pirate bay?! by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    Because he's onto this new thing now? You probably haven't heard of it. He's seen 'em live and has their vinyls. The Pirate Bay's totally sold out and gone mainstream. *flips scarf*

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    "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
  54. Re:Idiotic Comments by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

    Nobody is forcing anybody to buy the recordings. However, what the law does say, is that if you want to watch/listen to the recordings, then you have to buy it. There's a big difference. If you don't agree with the prices they are asking, don't pay it, and don't watch/listen to it. There's plenty of other things to do with your free time. Go play some sports. Go talk with friends. Go make some of your own recordings.

    Also, while some people will pay for stuff just because they like it, the vast majority of people will not pay for it. It's already happening even though it is illegal. Make it legal to make copies, and just about nobody would pay for it.

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  55. Re:People still use the pirate bay?! by dominious · · Score: 1

    You've been outside in the sun for too long. Here

  56. Re:One big file-sharing ISP that won't be turned.. by JohnnyMindcrime · · Score: 1

    ...says you at 32 years of age quickly typing your response on the PC in your bedroom at your parents house before changing into your McDonald's uniform for the late shift.

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  57. Re:Idiotic Comments by JohnnyMindcrime · · Score: 1

    That's a crap argument.

    Nobody forces me to buy music or media, I choose to buy the stuff that appeals to me on the basis that, say, a music CD I pay around £10 for is worth the money when I enjoy it over and over again over the course of my lifetime. Same goes for movies, games, etc.

    If nobody paid for media then none of it would be produced, full stop. The fact that some people get their stuff for free is because legitimate purchasers have provided enough income to justify the release in the first place, thus allowing free copies to be made available to those who want it for free, In other words, legitimate purchasers subsidise the collections of those who don't pay.

    The key is NOT to make a convenient package because that has been done already and still people copy stuff. If everybody was a little more appreciative of money and appreciative of artists who have the right to make money from what they do, then consumer demand would drive good quality releases.

    Evian? Perrier? They sell water.

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  58. Re:One big file-sharing ISP that won't be turned.. by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 1

    Practical experience suggests students are not able to "know right from wrong" in this case - piracy is both illegal and ethically pretty indefensible (you can always just go and watch something licensed under a liberal CC style license, after all).

  59. Re:Idiotic Comments by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

    So what you're trying to claim here is that until the advent of copyright, the peasants just ate dirt? Give me a break. There are very ancient folk traditions still alive today in every culture, story-telling, music, art. Except now some assfucker can come along, do a minor twist on an ancient theme and call it his own. Some guy who does some new version of the Odyssey gets to copyright it, even though the actual author has been dead somewhere around 2,700 years.

    In the olden days, musicians used to travel around and make their bread and butter by public performance. The notion of a band that just sat in one place and made music was utterly foreign.

    But the underlying claim that you make, that only the wealthy had art, is a pure falsehood, either from your ignorance or deliberately told.

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  60. TPB's mocking of legal threats by nuckfuts · · Score: 1

    Why the hell do authorities have such a boner for the Pirate Bay?

    Have you ever perused their legal threats page? At the bottom of the page they summarize as follows:
    "No action (except ridiculing the senders) has been taken by us because of these. :-)"

    It's a matter of opinion whether they flaunt the law, but it's a matter of fact that they taunt it.

  61. I think the smiley you want by fireylord · · Score: 1

    would be ;-)

  62. Re:Idiotic Comments by mcgrew · · Score: 1

    I'd post something substantial, but the idiotic pro-piracy comments in this thread makes me realize that a lot of humanity only cares about doing whatever is in their own short-term personal interest and will masquerade their greed as 'logic and reason'

    Long copyrights harm creativity more than none at all. Neither extreme is good.

    You do realise that study after study shows the fallacy of the "nobody will pay if they can get it for free" stupidity, right? Music pirates spend more money on music than non-pirates. A book publisher did a study a couple of years ago to determine how much piracy was costing him and found to his surprise that as soon as his books hit the internet, there was a sales spike rather than a loss of sales.

    Piracy sells media. The problem is, the publishers want to get paid for media-less content. Worse, they want to charge more for an MP3 collection than for a CD, more for a downloaded movie than a DVD, and more for an ebook than for one printed on paper that has manufacturing costs, distribution costs, warehousing costs, etc.

    The only pirates are the publishers who steal the public domain from artists who NEED that public domain. Do like Doctorow does (he credits his status as a best seller to it) -- give the ebook away and sell the dead tree book. People like things to put on their shelves.

    Also, if I want to read your crappy book or see your crappy movie or listen to your crappy CD I can check it out from the library, for FREE, and you're not gettinng a dime -- unless I like the work, in which case I'm liable to buy a copy of your next.

    God, what fools are running things. No wonder the world's economy is in shambles.

  63. One down Google to go. by iiiears · · Score: 1

    Create (Close) the courts to any innovative distribution with legislation.

    Create (Close) a friendly environment to purchase content.

    Create (Close) Remix to only those approved by you.

    Create (Close) Ranks amongst your customers.

    Fight it tooth and nail. This isn't food clothing or shelter. Vote with your dollars you don't need it, don't buy it.

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  64. Piracy vs our rights by Deathmoo · · Score: 1

    The part that bugs me about taking down TPB, or any other copyright unfriendly site (whether it is or not) is that it sets a legal precedent for censoring anything on the net the Gov't deems inappropriate. The cost of many copyrighted materials is higher than I deem them to be worth, so I just don't pay for them. Neither do I pirate them. I was always the one telling people if they download some music or a good program that they like, and use, then they should PAY FOR IT. I will always stand by this, and I will ALSO always oppose those who seek to censor the net. There are 2 big reasons for gov't to want to censor the net: 1. Corporate lobbyists and 2. Quelling Civil disobedience. Neither is a good enough reason to censor the net.

  65. DHT, PEX, magnet links by diego.viola · · Score: 1

    I keep hearing that DHT, PEX and magnet links will make trackers irrelevant and decrease single points of failure.

    DHT+PEX+magnet links seems to be supported in most client applications already (ktorrent, rtorrent, etc).

    So my question is, is there a way already to search for content through the DHT network directly? without involving a tracker like TPB?

  66. Re:Keep trying to whack moles. Evolution's a bitch by djnforce9 · · Score: 1

    Yes, I have to agree to this. The MAFIAA wants things to remain as they were 10 or even 20 years ago because that is the model which was heavily in their favour. This goes well beyond being able to obtain commercial content without compensating the individuals selling it.

    Nowadays, the industry can no longer get away with holding back content and only releasing it when and where THEY decide (e.g. Disney selling a movie for a year and then pulling all copies to make room for another or a company deciding not to even release their title in a certain country until months after the rest of the world has been enjoying it).

    Sites like thepiratebay.org essentially make it open and available to everyone, everywhere, and anytime. In addition, these sites make the industries completely redundant because of the widespread audience content "creators" can reach. It's how certain artists can make some of their initial works available and become very popular if noticed by enough people. Prior to this technology, you needed a label to do that advertising for you given the very limited and expensive channels back then.

    To correct this, industries need to make their content available to everyone straight away and at an affordable price. To mitigate piracy, they would have to provide a better product and service than the free one. A practical example of this in the games industry is Steam. You completely bypass lengthy installations (i.e. once the game is downloaded, it's ready to play), you can retrieve it again at any time should you lose your local copy, and best of all, your game is kept up to date with all latest patches meaning that you don't have to keep track manually. A pirated/free version would still require an install (since they are often based on the disc/retail version), would require you to track down the download site again if you lost your copy, and would require you to apply patches manually (sometimes requiring you to wait even longer for it to be cracked again).