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Gates Foundation Makes Progress On Reinvented Toilets
Julie188 writes "Last summer the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation pledged to spend millions to reinvent the toilet. That investment has born fruit with teams from around the world coming up with many different ways to turn human waste into energy."
... now come with a Start button. Blue loo of death, anyone?
Has to be said.
I don't want to say anything bad about Bill, but this sounds like a pretty shitty idea.
Some of these things seem rather complicated and use materials that aren't easy to obtain.
To provide greater benefit the machine should be able to be manufactured without specialized tools and be able to be built with universally available, preferably recyclable or re-purposed materials. If people can make a living out of making and servicing these toilets then the sanitary and economic (from the created industry) benefit will spread quickly and independently without requiring the oversight of a foreign NGO.
Anyone who thinks this is a silly idea needs to spend two weeks in a city without modern plumbing.
Why reinvent the toilet when we already have perfectly functional, no-energy (or very low energy) composting toilet and urine diversion options? What is it about these options that does not meet the criteria?
Patent litigation: A doctrine of Mutually Assured Destruction... in which everyone seems willing to push the button
Another way to make money out of a piece of crap! ;)
His career is sure going into the crapper.
Toilet jokes are coming
Long time linux lover here. Long time hater of MS policy and business practice. However, this man, who was once the richest man in the world has in the latest 15 years of his life great things for humanity. Things that actually make a different for people. I don't care how much you hate windows or Gates as the former president of that company, but surely you can't be against him spending so much of his fortune (and sure, he has enough money to have a comfortable life even with doing this) to make lifes better... Give the guy a break on this part. He has spend a fortune on his foundation and did so with many great projects that actually got shit done. (no phun intended)
Long time Cheerios lover here. Long time hater of Captain Crunch Cereal policy and business practice. However, this man, who was once the richest man in the world has in the latest 15 years of his life great things for humanity. Things that actually make a different for people. I don't care how much you hate Captain Crunch cereal or Captain Crunch as the former president of that company, but surely you can't be against him spending so much of his fortune (and sure, he has enough money to have a comfortable life even with doing this) to make lifes better... Give the guy a break on this part. He has spend a fortune on his foundation and did so with many great projects that actually got shit done. (no phun intended)
See how easily anyone can post bullshit? Drop the act, you probably don't use Linux, and you're willingly able to post this dramatic post in favor of "this man". Next will you tell us you're a member of the lollipop guild?
""No, you're wrong. Microsoft's "evil", insofar as I'm concerned, has to do with the companies and technologies that never had a chance because someone at Microsoft decided to steal it, buy it or just destroy it. That someone was often William H. Gates. The Personal Computer Revolution was largely stolen from us, because we all got forced to go the Redmond way. There's no point in going over Microsoft's other evils, such as the fact that it is a Grade-A government-certified illegally acquired-and-maintained monopoly. Now, monopolies aren't necessarily evil or illegal ⦠but Microsoft's is, on both counts. And don't try to excuse them as just being, you know, basically decent people who make honest mistakes. Microsoft is a criminal organization that has maintained a consistent pattern of unlawful activity throughout its entire corporate existence. And so far as Apple and Google are concerned, it sounds like you're excusing Microsoft's bad behavior because well, you know, Apple and Google might be as bad, but we don't know yet so let's give Microsoft a pass for now. Look nobody knows whether we are alone in the Universe ⦠but the question of whether that company is good or evil has been answered. They were taken to court over the issue of their monopoly status and lost. So yeah, Microsoft is evil, and the pattern of general nastiness persists to this very day. Why do you think the European Union is giving them such a hard time? Have you been following the OOXML fiasco, with Microsoft attempting to buy their way into a standard? No, I suggest you keep Googling Microsoft: it's obvious you've not been around long enough to have experienced their evil firsthand. I've been in the software business since before Microsoft was a gleam in Bill Gates' eye, and I've seen the damage he and his brainchild have caused. Bill can give all his money to charity if he wants, but there's no Undo button for what he's done.""
-- http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=390138&cid=21711174
... please Uncle Bill, hear our desperate plea. Save us from the brown streaks.
I'd love to see some demographics on countries sorted by asshole cleanliness. I'm guessing that just like education and health care, the USA would be solidly in the middle of the pack. I suspect that Japan probably would have the most-clean assholes in the world, just based on their high end toilet technology. I'm not sure I want to speculate on the dirty end of the scale so as not to risk diplomatic incident.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
How about working on infrastructure to get plenty of fresh clean water to these people? Perhaps enough water so they could grow more crops too?
Hey, Slashdot poster: I love Bill Gates: I just wish people would stop taking the piss out of him.
Look, we can separate this into 2 different camps: developed vs. undeveloped.
In the developed world, we have plumbing throughout, so the flush sends it to a central area. Now, how useful is that? 2 words: Joules Biotech. They are using genetically modified cyanobacteria, to kick out ethanol and diesel fuel. So, why is this special? Because this uses our sewage as feedstock. IOW, it turns crap into fuel. OTOH, the ideas being pushed here, require loads of energy to try and get rid of crap.
Then you have the undeveloped world. Basically, we are talking, no plumbing. So, what matters most to them? Soap and a water bowl. Yes. For the vast majority of the world, they use their left hand to wipe their ass(which is why you do not use your left hand in nearly all parts of the world). We could help the undeveloped world by simply getting them resources such as soap to kill the bacteria that are on their hands, esp. the left one. For those of you that think that this is funny, keep in mind that the single highest killer of babies in 3rd world nations is diarrhea. Much of that is from the parents or siblings having dirty hands.
Best and simpest idea for a toilet I've seen is the tree bog. Its a raised platform over an enclosure space fenced off with chicken wire. Around the bog you plant willow or other greedy trees which rapidly consume the nutrients, effectively turning the poo into biomass. Aerobic decomposition has advantages over anaerobic decomposition and there is no smell if you use a layer of sawdust. The whole thing requires no maintenance as the poo decomposes very quickly. Not good for urban situations but ideal in rural environments.
There are four sorts of people in the world: fools, lunatics, idiots and morons. - Umberto Eco, Foucaut's pendulum.
Steve Jobs is dead. Kind of hard to retire and help people when he's dead.
Who knows what he would have done if he had lived longer, though. My personal belief is that he wouldn't have done as much as Gates though because Gates is the man at charity.
Regardless, parent is a troll.
The whole idea behind these toilets is that water is scarce and the region is poor -- that's only half-true. If you want to get down to serious, cheap answers, fund plumbing of salt water in from the ocean -- it won't be useful for drinking without some prior preparation, but the toilets, if properly made, need not be an advanced technology to function. Plus if one goes through the trouble of piping in sea water, perhaps it would open up more inland areas to the possibility of desalination plants? The demand would be limited to simply drinking water and bathing, since the toilets would be "first priority" and not need to have a constant source of fresh water like the former two. The only issue I could really see here is a requirement for redundant plumbing, in areas where having too much plumbing must seem like...well, a pipe dream.
I duckduckgo'd the subject a bit and it appears that Tim Cook has set a mini philanthropy program where if an Apple employee donates something to a non-profit organization, Apple pays the bill. :)
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They are desperate to find some way to recycle the brown Zunes.
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It's much more than fucked up software, they are straight up globalist psychopaths.
Read all about them if you dare.
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Bill Gates actually spends his money on humanitarian things while the "enlightened" Steve Jobs was making iPhones in sweat shops. It is a real shame that Apple is doing so well now.
Just like Nobel: he made his money make ammunition for war and death, but as he got older was worried about his reputation so he created the various Nobel Prizes. However the cash that you get is, to a certain extent, blood money. And the 'evil' things done to create it have been forgotten.
Similarly Bill Gates is trying to rehabilitate his reputation by taking the money made by sometimes ruthless business practices (and illegal) and "suddenly" becoming a 'good' person.
I don't deny that he and his wife (!) are doing good things, and have no idea what is ultimate motive/s is/are, but given the thirty years of pain he's brought on the world via his computer system, I'd say he'd barely break even at the end of all of this. People seem to have forgotten the "dark" side of Bill Gates in recent years for some reason.
What people really want is a toilet that shits for them! You know, to take all the strain out of the experience and make it a more relaxing affair. First the system would set you at ease and then... assist. For sure, it would make hemorrhoids a thing of the past.
Years ago it was the iLoo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ILoo) I wonder what Microsoft's fascination is with crap?
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Some of my Scout parent friends are military doctors and they told me that better field latrines were a measurable factor in WWII. All armies had established procedures for setting them up, and the fastidius Germans did a solid job of it, if you pardon the pun---but the Americans added an additional step of covering the latrine box with a burlap sack as a fly barrier. The flies are a major disease vector, and as a result American troops were healthier and more combat ready.
Stupid fucking troll.
Bill Gates retired as CEO of Microsoft to go run his charity. Steve Jobs was CEO of Apple almost up to the end.
Guess you've never bothered to see what countries Microsoft's hardware is made in, huh?
It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
Similar sentiments here---and a sad comparison with Steve Jobs who as far as I can tell didn't do much charitable giving, and apparently was quite good at finding tax loopholes so he didn't pay much in taxes either.
I seem to recall a former attempt to reinvent the toilet.
I have always wanted to know how to use the three shells.
why don't they find a way to turn thrown chair into energy?
My trip to London was horrible. British plumbing ...
The article says Gate's toilet efforts have "born fruit".
Yeuagh!
Were these fruit "Dingleberries"?
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
Many kinds of composting toilet exist, you have to get slightly fancier for those intended for use in the city, but it's no big deal.
For those in the country, if you need one with more capacity, you just make the vault taller, so that's easy as can be.
For those WAY out in the country, you can dig holes and shit in them via an outhouse, then plant trees in the holes when they're about full. Plant a food tree; it won't start producing in less than a year anyway, and your crap will be dirt by then.
Cities can continue to use their existing toilets and still have waste composting, if we use AIWPS to close the loop. Short form, sewage becomes algae, methane, and clean water. Everybody wins.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
...it would be like the "iPad of sanitation," he said.
There's an app for that.
2) Malaria (I guess we're talking about Malaria) is not caused by a virus.
I suppose it might be useful for log dumps...
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I guess you might be able to "Share" your lavatory adventures too.
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After selling so many shitty products, it's time for recycling :-)
I pulled up the article, started reading, that picture was NOT originally of Bill Gates.
Oh, please. You are obviously someone who doesn't install toilets - just like Rand Paul with his pitiful "Al Gore wrecked our toilets" grandstanding.
I've been installing toilets in the USA for more than 35 years. I've installed and repaired every size from 5 gallon to 1.25 gallon.
I know shit - and you, sir, are full of shit.
To me you sound like a typical overprivileged randroid, who can't tell a calking iron from a seat wrench and thinks punching buttons is a hard day's work. Don't try to tell me about toilets, sonny. If your toilet doesn't flush your load it's not because Al Gore forced corporations to innovate, it's because you hired some unlicensed illegal alien to install the cheapest made-in-china junk you could find.
.. I won't need to use the toilet.
They can take my LifeAlert pendant when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.
Up till now we've always taken a crap because of Thomas Crapper , the man often mistaken as the inventor of the toilet.
Does this mean we should now say, "I got to go take a Gates?"
who prays for Satan? Who in 18 centuries has had the humanity to pray for the 1 sinner that needed it most? ~Mark Twain
We already have sanitary, non-energy consuming, non-water consuming toilets that recycle the human output to good useable soil amendments. Gates is just trying to buy back his soul by claiming advancements to things that are already better than he'll conceive.
We in Latin America are very familiar with this behaviour.
People that got the upper hand in business by all kind of dubious means start all kind of charitable work and sponsoring of the arts.
It is called a PR exercise.
One can't deny that these exercises can have benefits, sometimes immense ones, but they can't rewrite history or palliate the pain and anger of the people who suffered previous bad behaviour.
What would impress me is if Bill would use his quite reasonable leverage to undo some of the damage his company did, for example stopping Microsoft patent trolling expeditions, bribing the necessary politicians with the respective campaign donations in order to change the idiotic copyright and patent systems in favour of the general public, or some other gesture saying "mea culpa".
As it is, to all those who remember the other BIll, it is too much to ask to forgive (which I can) and forget (which I can't).
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
....a sh*t OS, processing sh*t code, running on sh*t hardware....
yeah, that about sums it up.
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