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Ask Slashdot: Dealing With University Firewalls?

An anonymous reader writes "My university only provides access to the web, via a restrictive content filter and proxy service. There is no access to the wider internet. I was wondering if this is common, and if anyone has any suggestions on how to go about protesting the issue. I've spoken to the lecturers and they have the same frustrations I do. I've also spoken to the head of the IT department who spouted lines about 'protecting the network.' This is very frustrating, I've seen a number of students making use of 3G/4G dongles to get access to the net and this just seems crazy. The restrictions applied to the web are draconian, with sites such as hackaday, hypberbole and a half, somethingawful, etc being blocked." What would you do to get better access?

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  1. It's their bandwidth ... by Dark$ide · · Score: 2, Insightful
    ... so you get controlled.

    Get over it.

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    1. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by mattventura · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If the university's IT department isn't providing the services that students and faculty need, then the issue should probably be raised above the IT department. The purpose of an IT department is to provide a service to the organization, not to make the organization bend over to the IT dept.

    2. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I have been in the position of having to block internet to a college in a previous job. There were constant battles between the marketing and academic departments about blocking and unblocking social media sites. In the end the marketing department won and they were unblocked. The tutors didn't like it because they relied so much on computers for their lessons rather than using good old fashioned methods like lecturing and demonstrating.

    3. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by Miseph · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Unless the author has a full ride scholarship including room and board... I'd say there is at least a partially legitimate claim to some rights here.

      Anyway, yeah, campus networks can be like that. It's bull. It's also, in my experience, rarely something the IT people are terribly fond of; most of them are at least passingly familiar with how the internet works, and ultimately it requires far more work to maintain a ridiculously locked-down network than one with minimal restrictions. Usually, that comes from higher up in the organization, from some old administrator or trustee or something... IT takes order in academia just like they do in business.

      The best bet for getting a change on this is actually o complain to higher administration, and perhaps as well to school and/or local publications. Putting things in writing usually works well. Bring up issues of censorship and academic freedom, and be sure to mention how this new-fangled internet thing is a really important part of the future. Keep in mind that the details of what is or is not filtered is, largely, irrelevant... it's easy to lose a non-techie audience by getting into the weeds. The point here is to engage them on the emotional level: these decisions are not made because there are clear-cut rational arguments for them, they are made because somebody doesn't like ______ which they believe to be on the internet. Again, getting too logical or specific will just make eyes glaze over, so keep it rhetorical and abstract.

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    4. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 1

      Which doesn't mean that their actions are immune from criticism.

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    5. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by buglista · · Score: 2
      This. I used to work for a uni and we made every effort to look after people, even those using "unsupported" OSs like Linux. (half of the 3rd line support guys had Linux desktops, so it was only "unsupported" officially - in practice everything worked fine.) We blocked the bare minimum of content - ie. some English student is probably writing an essay on pr0n for all I know. If you're going to get a worm, you can get it over 3G anyway - guess what the default route is going to be when you disconnect?

      And there, I was the security guy. But then I'm not a ****.

    6. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by ettusyphax · · Score: 2

      This would be true... if they owned the bandwidth. If it's a state college, they don't. If private, I would still argue that benefactors of the university have a right to do with the bandwidth as they please. Fundamentally, the administration should have every right (speaking morally, not necessarily legally here) to restrict the bandwidth however they feel... if it were a corporation where the employees work for the employer. In a university setting, the administration is supposed to work for the students. Of course that's not how it works in the real world. I would then argue that if they want to continue pointless censoring of benign content as the author claims, they should remove any reference to "university" or "college" from their name. That way everyone will know up front that this is just a degree mill, not a place of learning.

      I can't help but think that you are likely in IT and say "get over it" as a reaction to perceived or real threats to your network by meddling students. Either that, or you're just an asshole with no scruples. By your same logic, Comcast should have the right to censor whatever they see fit because it's "their bandwidth." Some people actually argue this claim unironically - thankfully, that's not the world we live in yet. But if more idiots like you refuse to see reason and want to horde everything for themselves, give no thought to civil rights of others, and laugh at people who don't know as much about computers as you do, well... I can't say I'm optimistic about the future. You're certainly not doing any favors for the already-negative public image of our industry.

    7. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by pla · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Seriously? So if I walk into your house and you dont provide services I "need" I can freely break rules to get them? Oh wait this is Slashdot: No rules for me and lots of them for others.

      If I pay to live in your house...
      and you have me locked in to that arrangement for four (or more) years...
      and you agree to provide internet access, and you forbid me from having Verizon drop a DSL line right to my bedroom...
      in favor of charging some insane "Internet access" line item to my bill for 4x as much...

      Then yes, I damned well expect you to provide me with real internet access, and you can fully expect me to actively work around whatever attempts you may make to enforce your morality on my net feed.

      This doesn't involve either the FP's parents or his employer - He pays a boatload of money every year for housing AND internet access, and his uni has decided they can selectively skip out on the second half of that deal simply because they have a captive audience. If they tried to pull this crap on any userbase that actually had the money to fight it, you can bet this would end up in the courts.

    8. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by ByOhTek · · Score: 1

      That's the way we work around here. I'm pretty sure my university doesn't block anything.

      Except: I have a friend who works in a research lab, the computers there do have nanny filters on them - but I think that is due to the PI of the lab, and not the university, I worked in an associated department that shares a "local" IT group, and we never had such filters.

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    9. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by ByOhTek · · Score: 1, Informative

      What post did you read? The GP said that the issue needs to be brought up to the appropriate group to get the rules changed, not to break the rules. I'd advise you get some more ADHD medication, and a bit less caffeine...

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    10. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by ByOhTek · · Score: 1

      Usually if a university has restricted access, they will mention it. Also, since you aren't specifically paying for the internet, I expect Net Neutrality rules won't apply.

      And you forgot the biggest screw up of the GPs analogy.

      GGP: They don't have what you want, appeal to a higher authority
      GP: Why are you suggesting they break the rules?

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    11. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by ByOhTek · · Score: 1

      An opinion, by nature, cannot be "correct". It can either agree or disagree with the opinions of others.

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    12. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by kontos · · Score: 1

      There are no net neutrality laws.

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    13. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The way I see it, your mommy and daddy can pay for cell service if it's that important. Otherwise, the IT dept. at the university is providing a service as a means for students to get an education. If you don't need anything beyond web access to get that education, they are keeping costs down for the university. They don't need to be paying for your Frostwire downloads.

    14. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by multimediavt · · Score: 2

      1. There's one thing universities hate more than budget cuts and that's bad publicity. Make a noise and get this issue in the local press and higher if you can do it. 2. For your best results to Item 1 stage a protest to get your point across and get the media there. Social networking and flyers posted around campus will be very helpful with getting other wronged folks out in force. Give folks at least a few days notice and let them know time and place. You may or may not want to inform the administration, depends on their assemblage policies and attitudes toward non-violent protest. You need to also come up with a viable solution (or at least some evidence to contradict their draconian stance), so research some other universities with open networks, Virginia Tech is one. Make sure your student government and whatever governing body of the university are aware of the issue as well. Letter's to those bodies may be sufficient to get the ball rolling. I have worked both as a student and as an administrative faculty member to change backwards policies. It's difficult and takes time, but I have used the techniques above for success. The most important thing to remember is you are dealing with academic minded folks, so the more information and evidence you can bring forward to support change, and the more eyes you can get watching are critical for success in changing policy. Good luck! You certainly have a large community of support behind you..

    15. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by paiute · · Score: 3, Funny

      The purpose of an IT department is to provide a service to the organization, not to make the organization bend over to the IT dept.

      Thousands of corporate ITers just spit coffee onto their monitors.

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    16. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by FictionPimp · · Score: 1

      Exactly. I don't want to block websites. It's an extra thing for me to keep up and maintain, I'm called constantly each time some stick in the mud finds a site they find objectionable that the service we use hasn't filtered yet or doesn't think is objectionable. I even personally recommended that we not filter the internet.

      But I'm getting paid to do what I'm told to do, not to do what I think is the best thing for the company.

    17. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by wisty · · Score: 1

      We sign contracts now for 4 years to go to college?

      So here's some advice.

      1) Do your research before you go to college.
      2) If you don't like your current school, you can *gasp* change schools.

      I'm guessing your a lot older than most freshmen.

    18. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by kenh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      and you have me locked in to that arrangement for four (or more) years...

      Locked in? The only lock in I know of is that most/nearly all universities require you are enrolled for the two years prior to getting your BA/BS

      and you agree to provide internet access, and you forbid me from having Verizon drop a DSL line right to my bedroom...

      You don't have to live on campus, it's an option, not a requirement.

      in favor of charging some insane "Internet access" line item to my bill for 4x as much...

      As much as what, the $40/month DSL bill you are lusting after?

      How long before you decide to rail against the cafeteria for not offering you the foods you want, prepared how you want, and for a subsidized price too?

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    19. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by dj245 · · Score: 2

      We sign contracts now for 4 years to go to college?

      It is not a real contract but it is effectively one. Most colleges are dicks when it comes to transferring credits. They often won't accept credit from other colleges, and when they do, they often count the credit as "humanities elective" or "free elective" or some other BS. The result is that when you change schools, you are usually throwing away all the work you did before. The "escape clause" is pretty unfavorable to the student, as it were.

      I tried to transfer once as a junior (2 years completed) to a comparable school 50 miles away in the same state. The schools even have some joint initiatives and research. They would have effectively made me a freshman again had I gone through with it.

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    20. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by Fezzick · · Score: 1

      You don't have to live on campus, it's an option, not a requirement.

      A LOT of universities require freshman and sophomores to live on campus. In those cases, it is indeed a requirement.

    21. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by Ash+Vince · · Score: 1

      If I pay to live in your house...
      and you have me locked in to that arrangement for four (or more) years...

      I might as well have just stopped reading your post there, they might lock you in to studying with them for 4 years but you are allowed to move off campus you know. University Halls always have loads of restrictive policies, in my day you could not even have any sort of internet or phone service in your room, and this was before mobile phones so we all spent lots of time queuing at the payphones in the cold.

      The solution to this is simply to move off campus into private accommodation and practice being a real grown up. By the time I finished uni everyone one of my mates had done this as part of the whole growing up experience. I moved out after my first year as I hated the overly sheltered environment of student halls

      This doesn't involve either the FP's parents or his employer - He pays a boatload of money every year for housing AND internet access, and his uni has decided they can selectively skip out on the second half of that deal simply because they have a captive audience.

      Is it actually a boat load of money compared to the average rent in that area? In my day uni halls were dirt cheap compared to living off campus. This was especially true when you factored in the bills for water, power, telephone, gas (for heating, not driving your car), etc that you had to all pay separately when you lived outside halls. If the university are subsidising the shit out of his internet access then they have a right to restrict it as much as they like providing they are up front about it.

      Then yes, I damned well expect you to provide me with real internet access, and you can fully expect me to actively work around whatever attempts you may make to enforce your morality on my net feed.

      This is the most retarded part of your entire post. The correct work around for this is to move the hell out of the universities sheltered halls of residence, get a 3G card or a VPN account if that is allowed through the firewall. Your approach may very well get you expelled, that will dump you in the gutter with no qualifications. No other university or employer is going to touch you if they find out you were expelled from a previous university for hacking into their network, even if you can explain that it was just to use SSH or something not on port 80.

      This is also against the law in most western countries, you may even get a criminal record and will screw your life over utterly. Only last month there was a case here in the UK about an ethical hacker who has been convicted of breaking into facebook. He might have through he was doing them a favour but they did not share his sentiment.

      We all do stupid crap when were are young, but thankfully most of use avoid getting dragged through the law courts for it. Bypassing the access controls on your university network though will certainly be very frowned upon if you are caught. Banking on not being caught is also a very big gamble, somewhere in your university is probably someone with a brain, even if most undergraduates have no direct contact with them. If they get a sniff of someone bypassing their security they may even contract in outside help to get to the bottom of who is doing it.

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    22. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by MogNuts · · Score: 1

      Since the OP didn't mention specifics, I'm betting that he is a student living in the dorms that wants access to other than port 80. The best advice I learned very quickly and often, is:

      Move off campus. Even if it's to apartments that are only a block away.

      In this case, the parent poster is right. University access have some pretty draconian BS. Examples:

      - One school I lived in wouldn't allow member of the opposite sex in AT ALL unless signed in by another member of the same sex. If I wanted my gf to come in, even at 11 am, I had to find a girl to sign her in. Retarded. And no guests AT ALL, period, after midnight. When you go out at night and then you want to have friends over, forget it.

      - Phones. All universities do this. Now it's not a problem anymore because people have cell's, but when I went, cell's were just starting to be commonplace. So you had to pay like 25 cents a call and like 20 per month for the privelege. Unless it was an on-campus call.

      - You pay the same amount for a dorm as you do rent, sometimes more, and they kick you out during breaks and over the summer. So you pay more for the privelage of that.

      And of course the restricted internet problem like you have. Seriously, move off campus into your own apartment. Student loans still will pay for it--just because you dorm is included in tuition doesn't mean that you get a free ride--you gotta pay either way. I think a lot of new students don't realize that.

      Move out, get your own place (using loans for food and rent if need be) and get your own unfettered internet, nicer, superior, and cheaper apartment, the ability to not have a roommate (probably the worst thing ever in college is always ending up with shit roommates), being able to actually use a stove and cook your own food or eat what you want instead of dorm food, etc. It's the hands down best thing you can ever do.

    23. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by hipp5 · · Score: 1

      How long before you decide to rail against the cafeteria for not offering you the foods you want

      Why shouldn't you rail against the cafeteria for not offering foods you want? Sure, it might be unreasonable to complain that your cafeteria doesn't offer caviar and smoked salmon, but if all they offer is ham sandwiches isn't it reasonable to ask them to expand their offerings?

      Universities provide a service in exhange for money. It's not unreasonable for ask for adjustments to that service, especially when the service that is being provided is so far below what others in the "industry" are providing (as is the case here).

    24. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by Rakishi · · Score: 1

      since you aren't specifically paying for the internet

      At my school you sure as hell did pay specifically for internet, separate bill and all that, later bundled with phone service (to increase the price since no one wanted phone service).

    25. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by shmeeps · · Score: 1

      This. Around where I live, 2/3 of the local colleges require you to live on campus for at least a year. In addition to that, they are the highest priced living areas available to the students in terms of cost/benefit ratio, ie, they have the least amount of space, more disrepair, less utilities, etc.

    26. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by xenobyte · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There were constant battles between the marketing and academic departments about blocking and unblocking social media sites. In the end the marketing department won and they were unblocked. The tutors didn't like it because they relied so much on computers for their lessons rather than using good old fashioned methods like lecturing and demonstrating.

      Why was that a problem? - That people might use (gasp!) their computers for more that just the lessons?

      Sounds like narrow-minded tutors with a feeble grasp on reality.

      Besides, why should the tutors care? - If people waste the lessons updating Facebook instead of getting smart, they'll simply fail and thus have wasted their tuition. I hope Facebook was worth it, but the tutors shouldn't care less if the students are that stupid.

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    27. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by pikine · · Score: 1

      The university can easily spin around bad press by saying they're creating an ivory tower for the students to learn effectively; after all they're a learning institution. And what good it is if you destroy the university's reputation while you're still in it? Doesn't the worth of your degree depend on it?

      But with the help of student union or professor support, I think it's realistic to ask the IT department to put on each blocked page a "request for approval" button, which the IT department must honor if the website does not violate acceptable use policy. Even if the acceptable use policy contains clause such as "under the discretion of ____" and if the IT department is constantly ignoring the request, then you can make a case to the Dean or some higher up that the IT department is not doing their job, and you need legitimate access to a site. If they Dean doesn't respond, then you could make a case to the Board of Trustees, and eventually to the press, that the university is in fact not creating an ivory tower for learning, but a prison of knowledge starvation.

      In the best case scenario, hopefully they will eventually give up on the request for approval button and just plainly open access to everything.

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    28. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by Blue23 · · Score: 1

      Big question is why they have the restrictions. Often it's because they are afraid of lawsuits and liability. Or even parents kicking up a fuss. "I came to visit my poor innocent Johnny, and his roommate was showing some unimaginable* filth!"

      If legal is pushing it to avoid things like "the university is promoting hate crimes/pr0n/racism/drug use/alternate lifestyles/etc.", that's a very different route to try to change it than "Dean XYZ wants to try to keep the internet 'educational only'", again different than "IT manager has limited bandwidth and is trying to restrict data hogs", still different than "some guy wants to put his stamp of morality on everything".

      Understanding the reason behind the restrictions is the first step in understanding how to change it.

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    29. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by pla · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you don't need anything beyond web access to get that education, they are keeping costs down for the university.

      Which completely ignores the reality of college as the entirety of students' lives for four years. When you live on campus, the "university life" equals your life. You eat cafeteria food (and thank Zeus for the rare occasions when you get to experience "real" food), you attend uni sporting events (even if you don't like sports - Just something to do), you listen to local garage bands, and, you absolutely depend on what utilities and services the university provides for your living arrangements. Including internet access.


      they are keeping costs down for the university.

      BS. Telling someone they can't look at porn at 10pm on a Saturday evening amounts to nothing but blatant moralizing; telling someone they can't visit music download sites treats everyone as an a priori criminal.

      Or, more functionally, if internet access costs the university so much to provide, why don't they allow students to arrange for their own DSL or cable (and lets not insult each other by trying to pass off $100/mo 2GB/mo 3g as "broadband", a point the FP directly brought up)? Oh, right - Because unis make a fortune charging students an arm and a leg for subpar basic services. Back in my day, basic phone service counted as the big "gotcha" - Cell phones have largely killed that revenue stream, but back when you could get $14.99/mo local-only land lines, the universities charged around $60/mo.

      as a means for students to get an education.

      Can we all drop the "only there for an education" attitude? No one - And I feel comfortable phrasing that as an unqualified absolute - dedicates themselves to their studies 24/7. Aside from missing out on half (arguably, the more important half) of the "university life", ie the social part, few people need to dedicate that much time to their studies (and those that do won't last long before burning - or flunking - out).

    30. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by bucky0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Besides, why should the tutors care? - If people waste the lessons updating Facebook instead of getting smart, they'll simply fail and thus have wasted their tuition. I hope Facebook was worth it, but the tutors shouldn't care less if the students are that stupid.

      Because most teachers go into teaching to get students to learn? Because a lot of institutions tie student performance into their evaluations? Because students that aren't paying attention are more likely to distract their neighbors? etc etc...

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    31. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by ByOhTek · · Score: 1

      Weird. That's the first I've heard of any university doing that. Here (and most others I've heard of) it is bundled with the dorm cost (like phone service). It is probably so they can, at any point, enact such a restriction policy, but we've had such access/bundles here for 14 years at least, and they've not done any access restriction yet.

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    32. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by bucky0 · · Score: 1

      Then why are you bitching about it on Slashdot? Chances are, none of us are the administration you're railing against. It *is* their network and their rules. If you don't like the food, the internet, the dorms then your options are to complain to them or leave. If it's not providing the things you want to have, then you've probably made a bad choice when you were applying to schools. (assuming they didn't mislead you on what they were providing)

        My university didn't allow cable TV in the dorms (they didn't even have the hookups), and I didn't run around trying to find a few miles of coax to string a cable to my room. They also have an amazing cafeteria, and I love eating food, so it made a lot of sense to go there :)

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    33. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by bucky0 · · Score: 1

      I might as well have just stopped reading your post there, they might lock you in to studying with them for 4 years but you are allowed to move off campus you know.

      Many universities don't allow you to move out of the dorms (the cynic in me says it's for the $$, but who knows). I went to a tiny school in a really rural location and even if we wanted to move out, there were more students in the town than actual people in the town (1400 students, 800 residents), so it would've never worked to have people spread around.

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    34. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by mindcandy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I am security@ a large public .edu .. and I can say that their approach is quite *uncommon* among my peers in the industry.

      Education is typically a very open environment, and IT will happily provide (within reason) anything that doesn't interfere with something else.

      For example, we have several "hacking labs" on campus, where students are free to do basically whatever they want, regardless of how malicious. Granted, those networks are firewalled off from the rest of campus (and the Internet). We also have PlanetLab, TOR (which I run myself), and a few other projects.

      As for Internet access, we don't have "wide open" like your home DSL (email, for example, must go through our servers for obvious reasons) .. and we block common things like tcp/6666 and tcp/445 outbound .. but other than that, we reguarly field calls from folks that just got $shiny_new_game for their $toy and want to know if we can figure out why voice chat (or whatever) doesn't work.

      Last year we actually had students bring their PS3/Xbox units into a conference room in the IT department, hooked up to our projectors, and had then all plug into a switch where we were running a sniffer .. we had the network engineers, security team, etc. all assembled and basically told the students "go for it" and made several ongoing tweaks to things to ensure they got the best experience (gaming is a latency-sensitive application, we just needed to figure out how to prioritize it with QoS and the packeteer).

      In short .. tl/dr .. sounds like your Uni has a sucky policy. Take it up with the provost .. you are paying to be there, and Internet access is part of your campus experience. If it's not up to par, they need to make changes.

    35. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by dave420 · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Hmm. How about just not living on campus? I didn't. I shared a house with a bunch of folks, and we were free to get all the unfiltered internets we could carry, and lived like normal people.

      The uni IT guys have to maintain a network, and so if unrestricted access is given to all, there really is a great risk that their network will become host to all kinds of messed-up crap which stops students from actually studying. So yeah, your 10pm wank might be shelved, but your 9am lecture is actually feasible. Installing a student's own DSL line is fraught with issues regarding telephony infrastructure, and I doubt the university wants loads of telco workers traipsing around messing with wires at all hours because said 10pm wank is not working.

      If there is a problem, talk to the student union. Just don't assume the university is doing the wrong thing - they probably have concerns you've not even thought of.

    36. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by jonwil · · Score: 1

      I dont understand why a college would require that.
      If someone is paying a fortune to attend college and wants to live in an off-campus apartment, why should the college care?

      In some cases the college cares about the student attending classes because e.g. the parents are paying the tuition and care that they are getting their moneys worth but I see no reason why students cant still make it to class even if they are living in off-campus housing.

    37. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by FictionPimp · · Score: 1

      Except in the rare case where rules would be put in after 3-4 years of you being in school (in which case, your almost done, so suck it up), maybe the smart thing is to switch schools before you have advanced classes under your belt.

      If you sit on a problem for 2 years, it's a little late to start bitching.

    38. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by pla · · Score: 1

      The correct work around for this is to move the hell out of the universities sheltered halls of residence

      As quite a few others have already pointed out, many unis require you to live on-campus. "Move the hell out" simply doesn't exist as an option, short of dropping out. But hey, the university of Phoenix looks just as good on a resume as Harvard, right?


      Your approach may very well get you expelled [snip] No other university or employer is going to touch you [snip] you may even get a criminal record and will screw your life over utterly.

      Wow... So, Drama major, right?

      Running an SSH tunnel to a proxy won't get you expelled, arrested, and branded an untouchable by the corporate world. If anyone cares, you'll get told off by NetOps; In the worst case and as a repeat-offender, they might disconnect your dorm room's network access.


      Not every stupid rule in this world comes down from On High, punishable by an eternity of having your liver eaten by a giant eagle every day. Most rules amount to little more than CYA (with the present restrictions solidly in that category), and if you can get around them, good for you; the school can still claim they officially don't allow it, wink wink nudge nudge.

    39. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Also, because it's hard to fail students, both in terms of the bureaucracy involved, and because they'll come to you and cry, no matter that it is their fault, and that's no fun at all.

      And because if you (as a professor or TA) fail a bunch of students it reflects poorly on YOU and not the students (which is as often right as it is wrong, and anyways unavoidable).

      And because if your UNIVERSITY fails too many students it will get a bad reputation and no one will want to attend anymore (that last bit is what the President of the university will think, anyway).

    40. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by skids · · Score: 1

      The thing most people don't realize about firewalls, is that they are the ultimate bureaucratic busy-work creator. Administrators can have endless meetings and such about exactly what rules to turn on/off. Any person lucky enough to be designated "the firewall guy" could pretty much, if they were particularly slothful and talented at workplace bullshitting, claim that running the firewall is a full-time job, get everything else moved off his plate, and spend his time leisurely sending emails back and forth about what the policy should be for specific hosts or services. Every policy change that effects the entire campus has to be approved in triplicate and then scheduled for an off-hours maintenance window. There's plenty of kicking back and reading Faceb... ehem... keeping up to date on current threats.

      As to the OP, your university is crazy. It's reasonable to block chatty/vulnerable M$ networking ports, and arguably (not in MHO) reasonable to block inbound connections, to people you provide ISP for. It's also reasonable and in fact advisable to throttle P2P protocols that irresponsibly chew through connect-based resources, and to give people trying to do their homework priority over that P2P which you do allow. Almost 100% of the malware development effort these days is targeting the browser, because the malware authors want to get at your PC when it's sitting behind a NAT with no port forwarding turned on. Firewalls offer zero protection against this, and deep-packet IPS systems can only protect the unencrypted content (but are extremely useful for subscribing to dynamic blacklist systems, which is also a reasonable blocking strategy).

      On the bright side, at least it's pretty much a guarantee that anything using TLS over HTTPS ports won't be filtered.

    41. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by prograsm · · Score: 1

      I'm in a similar position at another university and was going to post a similar response to yours.... But you've one-upped us by hosting console sniffing labs. This is a superb idea, rather than wait and see if something isn't working and then respond. It even sounds like a lot of fun, thanks!

    42. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by AF_Cheddar_Head · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Two reasons actually,

      1) Freshman are 18 yo and the university feels to some extent that the younger students are better off in a more controlled environment. Not saying I agree but the uni feels they are and a lot of parents probably agree.

      2) The university has a lot of expensive real estate in those dorm rooms and needs to make sure that they are full and paying for themselves.

      You can decide for yourself which is more important to the university and the accountants.

    43. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by anyGould · · Score: 1

      This. I used to work for a uni and we made every effort to look after people, even those using "unsupported" OSs like Linux. (half of the 3rd line support guys had Linux desktops, so it was only "unsupported" officially - in practice everything worked fine.)

      Seriously - universities don't support Linux?

      Hell, when I went to school (back in the dark ages of the mid-90s), you could walk over to the IT folks, and they'd loan you the Linux install discs! And that was before the current "plug USB stick into computer, reboot and get Ubuntu" ease of use.

      But anyway - if the university is being douches about their firewalls, get your own USB stick/mifi widget, and start making loud noises about how you're having to spend money because IT can't keep a network secure *and* usable at the same time.

    44. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by anyGould · · Score: 1

      Hmm. How about just not living on campus? I didn't. I shared a house with a bunch of folks, and we were free to get all the unfiltered internets we could carry, and lived like normal people.

      Some universities require on-campus living. Rice did back in the 90s, for instance - you weren't permitted to live off-campus for at least your first year.

      University of Alberta (where I went) didn't have that rule, but the on-campus "apartments" (using the term laughingly) did have ethernet hooked up directly to the campus network - in that day it beat the living hell out of 56K modem.

    45. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by anyGould · · Score: 1

      Agreed

      Another fun trick is that they will accept credits from other universities, but only if they deem the content of the course to be "equivalent" to one of their courses. (Meaning you have to find a course in New Uni's catalogue that matches the course you took at Old Uni, otherwise they don't recognize it.)

      Remembering that New Uni wants you to take as many courses as possible from *them*, any variation allows them to refuse you transfer credit.

    46. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by DougBTX · · Score: 1

      By "correct", he probably means something like, "has a strong factual basis".

    47. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by Ash+Vince · · Score: 1

      I might as well have just stopped reading your post there, they might lock you in to studying with them for 4 years but you are allowed to move off campus you know.

      Many universities don't allow you to move out of the dorms (the cynic in me says it's for the $$, but who knows). I went to a tiny school in a really rural location and even if we wanted to move out, there were more students in the town than actual people in the town (1400 students, 800 residents), so it would've never worked to have people spread around.

      That must be a wierd thing specific to the US. Here in the UK I cannot think of a single university that forced you to live in halls. In fact, that would probably not even be legal here.

      How would that work with students who were local and chose to carry on living with their parents? Did they have to pay for a room they would not use or do they only open admissions to people who come from outside a certain geographical area?

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    48. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by ciascu · · Score: 1

      Ultimately, if students are unwilling to participate by learning, there isn't, and shouldn't be, anything that tutors can do to force them. If a tutor can't convince a student, who has chosen to sign up, why they should be interested enough to pass the course, there is an underlying problem with the attitude of either the tutor, or far more likely, the student. Overuse of the internet is a symptom, not a cause. While there is a valid point in terms of disruption, many lectures will be filled with students note-taking on laptops. Unless someone's just found a new Youtube gem and everybody else is crowding around, same difference. If so, see above. Bandwidth, fine, but do you expect students outside the lecture not to use social media? Can the cost of access incorporated in the student fees really be justified solely by the unblocked websites? Corralling them into the exam room, blocking internet access, etc. only masks the problem and raises the question - what do their marks signify? Capacity to work when coerced? Not much use for an employer, not much use as a life skill.

    49. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by KhabaLox · · Score: 1

      Oh, right - Because unis make a fortune charging students an arm and a leg for subpar basic services.

      But, isn't it more expensive for the university to maintain filters on their firewall? If the university's (and IT department's) primary goal was to make money, they wouldn't spend extra manpower managing the network this way. If they are doing this, then they must see a reason for it other than profit (whether that reason is right or wrong). It sounds to me like they are just doing some ham-fisted QoS management.

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    50. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by Ash+Vince · · Score: 1

      Running an SSH tunnel to a proxy won't get you expelled, arrested, and branded an untouchable by the corporate world. If anyone cares, you'll get told off by NetOps; In the worst case and as a repeat-offender, they might disconnect your dorm room's network access.

      Did you read my post? I did say the correct approach was to try something like this when I talked about VPN. I was thinking that the person I replied to would take more drastic action to bypass his universities restriction.

      As quite a few others have already pointed out, many unis require you to live on-campus.

      To be honest, I still have a hard time believing this. Here in the UK not a single university in the country operates such a restriction, most have less accommodation than they need so force some (most, in many cases) students to live off campus.

      I just did a quick search and found that Harvard does seem to let you live off campus apart from in your first year, judging by the link here: http://www.admissions.college.harvard.edu/about/faq.html#11

      As I said, I spent a year in university halls then got the hell out as quick as I could, but I am surprised the force you to live on campus even in your freshman year.

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    51. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by KhabaLox · · Score: 1

      I can confirm this. I was at Rice from 1993 to 2000 (TFW!). During that time you were required to live on campus for your freshmen year. A significant portion of people got booted off campus their sophomore year, but you were all but guaranteed housing for years 3 and 4, if you wanted to pay for it. Since then they have expanded housing, so there may be space for all students for all 4 years. Certainly back in the 1990s most people desired to live on campus, though we didn't have filtered internet. Of course, back then we were just downloading binaries off of USENET, not sharing video torrents.

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    52. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Can't the students just get their own ISP for use at home? Blocking somethingawful sounds fine to me, is there actually any academic content there? If not then the students access it on their own dime instead of piggybacking on university access. If the students are in dorms and have no other access, well then that's all part of being a student and they undoubtedly have more internet access at school than more people have at their day-to-day job after school.

      Granted if this were a major university it would be a lot more open because the researchers would need broader access during working hours and faculty have a lot of clout than at a teaching college.

    53. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by Jumperalex · · Score: 1

      Don't you mean, "unless the author is paying for their tuition, room and board themselves ..." a scholarship means someone else is paying and thus gets a say in the matter. But if the student is paying the bill the student gets a say in the service.

      Or am I missing something in your implication. It has been a while since I was at school and when I did I actually did have a "full ride" in the form of a full government funded education ... and it was in 1990 when there was nothing to filter ;-)

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    54. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I think part of that rule is the "let's build character" rule. You're expected to live in sub-standard housing, put up with idiots that you can't move away from, parties at 3am (a bad thing if you actually want an education), put up with awful dorm food, etc. Like summer camp but with more wildlife and dirt. And parents who are footing the bill like this.

      So ya, if it's not good enough and the parents who are paying are offended and outraged, then the parents can either pay for the 3G service, pay for a different university, or pay for the supply of porn on actual paper instead of on the net. If the student is not paying the bills then the student has little say in the matter.

    55. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      But the bad publicity has to come off looking bad. A bunch of frat boys complaining that they can't get free access to porn or look at dead bodies on somethingawful won't generate bad publicity. They'd have to show that they were denied access to important educational resources, legitimate news sites, etc.

    56. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      The student is not the customer. The parents pay the tuition and have a lot more say, the profs who bring in grants have more say, the alumni trust foundation members have more say, etc.

    57. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by alexander_686 · · Score: 1

      Partly it’s about the experience. I attended 2 colleges.

      The first, basically required everybody to live on campus and to turn in their car’s license plates.

      In the second, almost everybody (and I included those who lived on campus) departed for home on Thursday evening and came back Sunday night.

      The first was a better learning experience. Trapping a lot of young energetic students in one place created a lot of interesting experiences. Even “mindless” activities had a fair amount of intellectual side conversation. A real hot house environment. It’s one thing a lot of people miss when they talk about the new online learning opportunities. Some of the benefit comes from the enivomrent.

      The second place was much more sterile. I think I got as good of an education in the second place, but I was more mature and really had to focus to find challenges.

    58. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by treeves · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing you are the same age as a freshman.

      Not really, but now we've covered every possibility.

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    59. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by sylvandb · · Score: 1

      How long before you decide to rail against the cafeteria for not offering you the foods you want, prepared how you want, and for a subsidized price too?

      As soon as they act with similar stupidity as locking out the internet. Say for example, telling me I have to be there for lunch promptly at 1:50pm, and the only thing they'll be serving at that time is peanut butter. Only peanut butter.

      Oh, and some schools living on campus IS a requirement.

    60. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by sylvandb · · Score: 1

      An opinion, by nature, cannot be "correct". It can either agree or disagree with the opinions of others.

      That opinion presumes no impartial standard of truth. Counter example: an opinion about a provable fact. It doesn't matter how much I announce my opinion that gravity does not exist or that the world is planar. Those opinions are incorrect. Whereas if it is my opinion (and it is) that gravity does exist and that the world is an oblate spheroid then my opinions agree with the facts and are thus correct.

      Unless of course your opinion is that facts are simply widely shared opinions. In that case there is no "correct" and you are, of course, entitled to your opinion.

    61. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by dweller_below · · Score: 1

      I am also security @ public .edu. Our approach to security and network monitoring is similar to the parent's. At one point, I made a YouTube video on USU's approach to security monitoring: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQc5FU_jqCk Basically, we feel that you can't have good thinkers, or great researchers if you tighten the screws too tight. Miles

    62. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by grim4593 · · Score: 1

      If it was that much of an issue the university should connect their dorms to a separated dedicated internet line rather than the vital feed of their university network.

    63. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by Alamais · · Score: 1

      People live on campus, take breaks, etc. A proper university network allows for legal recreational use as long as it does not interfere with 'work' uses (which can be a problem these days even sans torrenting, if a bunch of students are trying to stream Netflix/youtube/whatever videos at once).

    64. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by bucky0 · · Score: 1

      I don't think we're that far apart. Certainly the idea that a university should ban everything is stupid. I was just saying that people who dedicate their lives to teaching appreciate students that pay attention and succeed. Saying: "why should the teachers care if the students or pass" disregards why those people enter education compared to other careers

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    65. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by ciascu · · Score: 1

      That's a fair comment. I recently had difficulties working remotely (necessarily) within a student network, primarily as the university erred on the side of caution maybe moreso than most. While I got the logic, it probably left me a little biased in this regard :) I've also come across a number of situations where students end up being tied into university, rather than self, directed learning.

      Absolutely, it is important, and I don't think the grandparent made the point that students must take responsibility for their learning in the most constructive way. It would be a pretty awful profession to be in if you didn't care about students, and surely education is most effective when it is a co-operative act. So, apologies, I think we agree.

    66. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by mysidia · · Score: 1

      and we block common things like tcp/6666

      Students/staff needing to connect to their favorite IRC server that runs on port 6666, to join an online conference/chat might not feel that this is so open.

      It's important to remember: certain applications have well-known port numbers, However; the port number is not required to be used for a specific application; it's perfectly legitimate to utilize port 445 for purposes that have nothing to do with file sharing; it's perfectly valid to utilize port 25 for purposes that have nothing to do with SMTP.

      In fact, it's valid to connect out with these used as the ephemeral source port for the connection.

      Sometimes it makes sense to block these numbers on the destination traffic for incoming traffic; as a matter of policy, you can say that servers on your network listening on port 25 must always be SMTP servers.

      But you don't get to dictate to other remote networks, what certain port numbers are used for.

      And blocking any such port number is broken internet connectivity.

    67. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by hobarrera · · Score: 1

      I couldn't care less if my students are using facebook or youtube. As long as they don't disturb or distract the rest, they're free to fail as badly as they want. Or they may not fail if they already know the stuff in class. Doesn't really affect me. I'm there for the students that *do* care.

    68. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by dave420 · · Score: 1

      So dorms shouldn't have access to the university network. Genius.

    69. Re:It's their bandwidth ... by grim4593 · · Score: 1

      Exactly. With systems like Blackboard, electronic libraries, and online classes students shouldn't have to be on the university intranet to get their work done.

  2. ssh is permitted? by tanveer1979 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In that case buy a ssh shell minimal hosting account for 2-3$/month.
    Create a tunnel.
    And browse.

    If paid public VPN services are allowed, you can also subscribe to such services. Of course, your browsing will be slower.

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    1. Re:ssh is permitted? by hobarrera · · Score: 2

      I do this exactly. I have static IP at home, and a personal server elsewhere, so "ssh -D", and "tsocks" are an EXCELENT combo.

    2. Re:ssh is permitted? by toutankh · · Score: 2

      I would expect that SSH is forbidden and that everything has to go through the university's web proxy.
      That is the situation I was facing a few years ago when I lived on a college campus. The solution I found was called desproxy and apparently it still exists. Worked wonders with me.

    3. Re:ssh is permitted? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      The solution then is to use port 443 to run SSH. I have a free trial of Amazon EC2 I use for that kind of thing. The speeds are good, you can even watch YouTube with relatively little buffering. If anyone is interested I have it set up:

      Browser
      v
      SSH Socks Proxy
      v
      corkscrew (software to send ssh through an http proxy, you can also use PUTTY on windows for this)
      v
      CNTLM (you may not need this but I do because the proxy I go through uses NTLM authentication)
      v
      SSH server running on port 443.

    4. Re:ssh is permitted? by BlueScreenO'Life · · Score: 1
      Desproxy didn't work for me. The Microsoft proxy they had at my college didn't dance with it.

      As for getting around the firewall, what I've done in the past when I needed that was to tether to my phone (through wifi if possible, for discretion).

    5. Re:ssh is permitted? by mverwijs · · Score: 5, Informative

      sslh for the win!

      Just 'apt-get install sslh', have it run on port 443. It will forward HTTPS traffic to your apache server running on whatever port you run it on, while forwarding ssh traffic to sshd.

      It's just.... beautiful.

    6. Re:ssh is permitted? by icebraining · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yeah, I've used iodine successfully in the past. You need to get your own domain, though.

      You know the nice part? It uses their DNS servers to tunnel your data ;)

    7. Re:ssh is permitted? by Nexus+Unplugged · · Score: 1

      My high school actually blocked port 443. No logging into your email, no SSL at all. They even dropped SSH packets going over port 80. It was terrible. Thank god my university doesn't censor a thing.

    8. Re:ssh is permitted? by swarsron · · Score: 1

      Put Foxyproxy on top of that list. It's an extension for firefox to enably easy proxy setting switching and has an option to route all dns request through a chosen proxy.

    9. Re:ssh is permitted? by scubamage · · Score: 1

      Agreed. If speed isn't an issue, I used to have a dial up account that I used in my dorm room specifically because gaming servers were verboten on the campus internet, and dialup is cheap these days.

    10. Re:ssh is permitted? by Entropius · · Score: 3, Informative

      How can they forbid ssh and still call themselves a university?

      SSH'ing offsite is a basic prerequisite for all sorts of research in the physical sciences. It's an operation so basic that folks in physics don't even admit the possibility that someone would want to block it.

      At my old university the public (no logon required) wifi was heavily port-filtered. They blocked port 110, for instance -- no POP mail. But they left open SSH, knowing that people relied on it to get work done.

    11. Re:ssh is permitted? by overlordofmu · · Score: 1

      You can also do that with "about:config" on firefox. No plug-in required.

      network.proxy.socks_remote_dns - set it to TRUE

    12. Re:ssh is permitted? by tokul · · Score: 1

      ssh is permitted?

      No. If competent people design their firewall rules and limit access from internal to external, they don't trust user on internal network. Only whitelisted services will be allowed and even whitelisted ones will have to pass content filtering/logging proxy.

      If liberal academics don't like paranoid networks, they are free to implement own network with wifi and 4G routers. Or complain about network control abuse by support staff to dean.

    13. Re:ssh is permitted? by forkfail · · Score: 1

      So - secure communications is part of the liberal conspiracy?

      What are you smoking?

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    14. Re:ssh is permitted? by SecurityTheatre · · Score: 1

      You do realize that the most common configuration for "web-proxy-only" Internet is to use WCCP to redirect all port 80 and port 443 traffic to the proxy server and/or block them all and require all web traffic to go through your magic proxy via Browser-configured proxy server.

      Using port 443 is neat and all, but won't work in most locked-down environments I've seen.

    15. Re:ssh is permitted? by Cyner · · Score: 1

      Sure, circumventing the college's acceptable use policy would never get him in any trouble; couldn't possibly get him kicked out even. This is definitely an insightful, helpful, and responsible response to the problem posed. It is not appropriate to address the problem through proper channels; or remind the IT Department that they exist to serve, support, and enable the educational purposes of the college.

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    16. Re:ssh is permitted? by BitterOak · · Score: 1

      How can they forbid ssh and still call themselves a university?

      SSH'ing offsite is a basic prerequisite for all sorts of research in the physical sciences. It's an operation so basic that folks in physics don't even admit the possibility that someone would want to block it.

      At my old university the public (no logon required) wifi was heavily port-filtered. They blocked port 110, for instance -- no POP mail. But they left open SSH, knowing that people relied on it to get work done.

      What many universities do is they allow ssh, but they use a firewall with a built-in ssh decryptor. Essentially the firewall acts as a man in the middle. The plaintext never leaves the firewall, but it is used in applying firewall rules which can include a prohibition on tunneling port 80 and the like. So, whenever you ssh off campus, the key fingerprint is that of the firewall, not the off campus server. You can check for MITM attacks occurring off campus by accessing a web interface to the firewall which will show you the remote key fingerprint for the host you are connecting to. It's quite clever actually.

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    17. Re:ssh is permitted? by icebraining · · Score: 1

      Only if you bothered to look. I seriously doubt most network admins will.

      In fact, considering that most paid wifi networks I've seen - including ones owned by major ISPs - use captive portals and block all connections but still let this pass, I seriously doubt most network admins are even competent enough to know it can be done in the first place.

    18. Re:ssh is permitted? by tokul · · Score: 1

      So - secure communications is part of the liberal conspiracy?

      No. Networks must be secure, but if you give too much control to security guys, they start abusing their position. In this case user talked about excessive restrictions on academic network. If network support applied same 'whitelisted ports only and only through proxy' policy as used on business networks, they abused their position. Academic network provides service to students. It is owned by community and not by network admins. Network users are complaining. This means that network security is too tight.

    19. Re:ssh is permitted? by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      SSL on port 80 isn't standard practice, but is in spec for http. Do they MITM everything?

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    20. Re:ssh is permitted? by SecurityTheatre · · Score: 1

      Well, this is a very old comment, but WCCP works by forcing all traffic on 80 and 443 to transit a transparent proxy device. Some businesses do MITM everything, others may pass HTTPS traffic, but only to approved sites. It is quite seldom that you would bother to implement web filtering and then simply leave web ports wide open for anyone to bypass easily, although I'm sure it's done out of sheer administrative malaise sometimes. :-)

  3. Tributes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Become friends with a member of the IT department. Alcohol can go a long way in beginning an IT related friendship.

    1. Re:Tributes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This. Or, if your university has a Networking section/sub-section, start there.

      I work in IT at a university and although we do have some restrictions on websites (pornography and cheating websites), we also have an appeals process that is open to anyone. I find it silly that they would block off a huge host of seemingly random websites for "safety" reasons, except maybe on university-owned computers open to the public (even then, we just put DeepFreeze on ours).

      Another solution would be to get someone with some clout on your side. If your university is like most others, anytime someone important gets huffy over a subject people immediately fold to avoid confrontation. I'm talking about staff though, not academic departments (no one cares about those).

    2. Re:Tributes by westlake · · Score: 1

      Become friends with a member of the IT department. Alcohol can go a long way in beginning an IT related friendship.

      Get your friend in IT fired and you won't have any friends in IT.

    3. Re:Tributes by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      I find it silly that they would block off a huge host of seemingly random websites for "safety" reasons...

      I don't. Whenever you see such a policy, it means that someone who doesn't know WTF they are talking about established the policy.

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    4. Re:Tributes by bigbangnet · · Score: 1

      Not unless the IT department is closely monitored by their supervisors and those same people are really paranoid which i think they are at this time of age. Well I am where I work and I make sure no one fucks with my firewall and network...a good use of a network monitor really helps. I use fear and I'm immune to beer so forget alcohol. Unless you shove it down my throat by 4 nude girls I could let some things go.

  4. get over it by bloodhawk · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If you want unrestricted web access then pay for your own connection. Don't bitch about IT people doing their job properly, their primary goal is not to be an ISP for you to surf the web. Most corporates and government agencies all apply these so called "draconian" restrictions on thier staff and it isn't because they are all bastards. Basically your average user can be trusted about half the distance you can kick them, they all think they know what they are doing until something goes wrong then it is IT's fault for not protecting them.

    1. Re:get over it by ryanov · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You imagine he's going to school for free, do you? I work in university IT and understand the pros and cons and plusses and minuses, and while we don't do this, we do some of our own foolish things. However, I don't think for a second that the students aren't already paying for this connection.

    2. Re:get over it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I am also in university IT. The students are NOT paying for a free unlimited Internet connection. They are paying for their degree, and can expect Internet access relevant to their degree, nothing more. Since a large amount of University funding comes from tax payers, why should they/we foot the bill for students to waste terabytes of data on Youtube and torrents?

    3. Re:get over it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      that's the thing

      an it-department of an university is expected to manage the network -including- connections to the outside world.

      Simply closing the network - while fullfilling the goal of protection - is not what they are expected to do as work!

      I could also put my car in a garage and throw the keys away - voÃlÃ, nil chance of accidents with my car.

    4. Re:get over it by ryanov · · Score: 1

      No, but I'd hardly call his university's situation the same thing as what you're talking about. Maybe what he's really out to do is what you're saying, but I could see that content filtering annoying me (as the filtering at my university commonly does if I try to look for anything related to security which is supposed to be part of my job function) and that's not what I'm up to.

    5. Re:get over it by hobarrera · · Score: 1

      This is BS.
      I live in a country with free public universities, yet I pay more than the average salary to go to a private one, and one of the thing they have to offer is "internet access in every building via WI-FI". An HTTP proxy is not real internet access.
      Additionally, I find that there are lectures on free speach and free internet given by the university all the time, yet I can't even open some specific programming sites, or use external e-mail.

      When you complain about e-mail being blocked, they respone that they give you a webmail interface for a university-only email account.

      That's not what people pay for, at all.

    6. Re:get over it by smash · · Score: 1, Informative

      NO, school isn't free. However, the money pays for tuition and course materials, not free internet porn.

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    7. Re:get over it by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because youtube and torrents are part of using the internet.

      What part of education do you not understand?

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    8. Re:Get over it by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Maybe the slashbots have been unfairly filtered from being able to do their work before, (I have, on multiple occasions.) Or maybe in this case they'ce seen the damage this sort of resrtiction can cause in the context of education and they do not approve.

      I, personaly have issues with the groupthink, Ive even been m

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    9. Re:get over it by Peter+Bortas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "draconian" restrictions are there because someone in IT/management is lazy or has twisted viewes about what moral powers they should have over students. In other words because they are bastards.

      /ex-University sysadm

    10. Re:Get over it by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Sorry, accidently hit submit instead of preview... ...moddez down for saying it even exists. However, you cannot blame this as a groupthink invention. The maintenance of these restrictions is a waste of resources. If a student pay tuituion and fails, it is not the fault of the IT dept for failing to bl

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    11. Re:get over it by e70838 · · Score: 2

      Censorship has never worked whatever the energy wasted in it. There is a lot of pedagogical material on youtube.

      You are wasting your time and the time of the students for a motivation that smells a bit like Nazism.

      The single excuse I give you is that it teaches student how to bypass censorship.

    12. Re:Get over it by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Oh, for f's sake. Im sorry, this is my fault for missing the preview button. No hard feelings for making fun of my incompetence.

      In short, let the student fail if he wants to waste time. Policiing the internet is not the job of a University iT dept and the groupthink agreeing with that doesn't make it wrong.

      Personnaly I'd rather my tuition and/or tax money not have a bloody thing to do with censoring the internet. Afterall, there are no guarantees anybody will graduate. This is not an issue of fairness.

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    13. Re:get over it by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Most corporates and government agencies all apply these so called "draconian" restrictions on thier staff and it isn't because they are all bastards.

      This isn't a corporation, it is a facility for education. There are no profits to protect, here, nor is it their job to protect the students from their own habits. It's a waste of time and resources for IT to even be worrying about this.

      The word 'draconian' didn't come about just because people's eyebrows are furrowed.

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    14. Re:get over it by sulimma · · Score: 2

      Yes. But there also is research on porn.

      It is a long time that I have been to university, but I have similar trouble with customers. Our Engineers waste a lot of time trying to get software we developed for a customer to the customers engineers because any of the following occur frequently:

      * dropbox is blocked
      * .exe and .dll are not allowed in e-mail
      * our hoster is in a class A net blacklisted by customers spam-filter
      * we chose a file name that matches some regular expression deemed dangerous by their IT staff
      * sftp is blocked
      and so on, and so on

      This is fine, if there is a clear procedure handling these exceptions. (e.g. if a researcher writing a paper on porn site can walk up to the IT appartment and get a list of sites opened for his computer within in minutes.) But ultimately these restrictions serve no real purpose and just waste a lot of money in the form of time lost by both IT, administrative and research staff.

      Also, I wonder if research really works, if researches have to convince a censoring body that there request to access a site is legitimate before they can proceed with their research. (Yes sir, gamesexpert.com is not a sex site!)

    15. Re:get over it by ToadProphet · · Score: 2

      And how much does it cost to setup and maintain those filters vs. give unlimited access?

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    16. Re:Get over it by AgNO3 · · Score: 1

      Small college might not have anymore connection then an oc3. They probably need to limit based on the least common denominator just to make sure they have enough bandwidth for basic internet. (scale connection as college size goes up.) its not like all colleges have multiple fiber connections to the backbone.

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    17. Re:get over it by icebraining · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because, funnily enough, important education content like Stanford's machine learning lectures are available exactly via Youtube and torrents: http://see.stanford.edu/see/lecturelist.aspx?coll=348ca38a-3a6d-4052-937d-cb017338d7b1

    18. Re:get over it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      When I went to school I used ssh and ftp quite frequently to transfer files to and from home and to compile software assignments on my home server.
      I could have jumped through hoops and spend late evenings at school but I didn't have to because the schools IT department was actually competent.
      Same thing at work. I whenever I like to I can access my workplaces VPN to transfer CAD projects and sources and also access the internal web-pages.
      When I re-installed my home computer I decided to not set up the VPN again, I live within walking distance form the office and I have found that I prefer to be at the office slightly more and have a strict separation between home-time and work-time. Co-worker with family feels a bit differently since the family appreciates when he is home even if he spends the time home working.

      Do you see how a competent IT-department have managed to make several peoples life more convenient? I'm not saying that you should just open up your network to anything, keeping the network free from bad stuff is important but allowing outgoing ssh/ftp/sftp and other basic connections is not likely to harm anyone and will make life a lot easier for the students with some basic computer knowledge.
      File hosting sites like rapidshare adn such is a grey area I guess, they could be useful for students that don't know how to set up a home server but they are also open for abuse and they don't really solve anything that a good e-mail service can't take care of.

      So, other IT-departments can set up way more useable networks without any real problems, why can't yours? Have you chosen the wrong technology, are you understaffed or are you just incompetent and need more training?

    19. Re:Get over it by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      They don't have enough resources to support their students, so blocking somethingawful is the solution?

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    20. Re:get over it by sir-gold · · Score: 1

      students are not staff, and universities are not corporations or government offices Too many schools nowadays are forgetting that the students are the customers. If the school charges a "technology" fee separate from tuition, then the school is operating a separate "technology" service. Why are the students not allowed to have full access to a service that they are forced to pay upwards of $75/semester for?

    21. Re:get over it by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Would you advocate or approve of similar restrictions on the university library?

      What's the difference?

    22. Re:Get over it by knorthern+knight · · Score: 1

      > In short, let the student fail if he wants to waste time. Policiing
      > the internet is not the job of a University iT dept and the
      > groupthink agreeing with that doesn't make it wrong.

      Do you have any clue how much it costs to provide high bandwidth 24x7? And the university probably has its business systems on the same internet connection at the same speed. A dedicated business connection with a decent SLA (Service Level Agreement) costs a helluva lot more than a residential "best effort" ADSL or cable connection. When a residential 25 or 50 megabit connection crawls along at 1 megabit under high load, too bad. On a business connection with an SLA, the ISP refunds a big chunk of money to the customer. To guarantee this, the ISP provides a *DEDICATED* (read f***ing expensive) dedicated line.

      Actually, even residential cable/ADSL is expensive in North America. Try renting a suite off-campus and getting an unlimited internet connection. Now double or triple that price, and you'll have an idea what it would cost the university to provide it to you as reliable access. Now imagine every student's tuition going up by that amount. Consider this a lesson in real life.

      The IT department isn't "policing the internet". They're following orders from the university management, which is trying to stay within budget.

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    23. Re:get over it by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      Getting porn through firewalls is the easy part. Where I work we have a restrictive policy (http/https only with authenticated filtering proxy). And if I wanted porn, I could get it anytime. Not all sites are filtered and if they are, I just need a simple web proxy (like phproxy or glype).
      Actually useful stuff like SSH, webmails, Dropbox, git/svn/cvs/hg, ntp, etc... are much more difficult to work around.

    24. Re:get over it by Haeleth · · Score: 1

      ultimately these restrictions serve no real purpose and just waste a lot of money in the form of time lost by both IT, administrative and research staff.

      I'd be interested to see what evidence you have to support this claim. Dealing with e.g. the malware infestations and DMCA threats inevitably caused by people taking advantage of a network not blocking sketchy websites would probably also waste a lot of money and time.

      Are you really claiming that there are more researchers legitimately investigating porn websites than there are horny frat boys who just want to jerk off in their dorm rooms and then steal a movie for later? More software companies who have not figured out a better way to deliver their product than emailing it to random employees than random employees who would install every "screensaver" emailed to them by a criminal? Really? Because that sure sounds pretty implausible to me.

    25. Re:get over it by sulimma · · Score: 1

      > Are you really claiming that there are more researchers legitimately investigating porn websites than there are horny frat boys who just want to jerk off in their dorm rooms
      No. But I am claiming, that 1000 frat boys jerking of in their dorm do less harm, than one legitimiate research who can't do his work. If it were just porns, things would be easy. The point is, that in all sorts of areas administration tries to seperate useful from useless sites, but the people doing that have no way of knowing what will be required by their staff. (It might be porn for researcher X, a shopping site for researcher Y, slashdot for another one. I could imagine that access to warez websites has been important to the research of Lawrence Lessig.)
      So instead they should concentrate on detectign and filtering malware and not filter based on content.

      > More software companies who have not figured out a better way to deliver their product than emailing it to random employees than random employees who would install every "screensaver" emailed to them by a criminal? Really? Because that sure sounds pretty implausible to me.

      This is a misrepresentation of the case I made. The E-Mails we trying to send are to engineers specifically designated to develop driver installers in cooperation with us. Yet, there was no official approved way of getting .exe files to them, they had to use trial and error to figure out a way to get past their system.
      The random employee your are talking about should not have permission to install software in his system. But maybe they should have permission to receive .exe files to forward them to another employee with the correct permissions?

    26. Re:get over it by cowboy76Spain · · Score: 2

      And how much does it cost to setup and maintain those filters vs. give unlimited access?

      If you begin factoring in:

      • Virus / Malware
      • Bandwidth lost to students watching silly videos/going to social media / cost to upgrade infrastructure to support increased bandwidth.
      • Extra shared equipment (PCs) required due to increased usage of the existing equipment.
      • Lost productivity (I assume that the blocking affects also to the university workers).

      Then you find that "unlimited access" is everything but free.

      What the university needs is a process / form so the student can argue why he needs to access the page for his work (for example, in the same "blocked content page") so he has a way to get through if there are legitimate reasons (not everybody has the same needs, and also the filtering has just plain errors). Apart from that, it is all up IT department decission.

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    27. Re:get over it by CFBMoo1 · · Score: 1

      If you want unrestricted web access then pay for your own connection. Don't bitch about IT people doing their job properly, their primary goal is not to be an ISP for you to surf the web. Most corporates and government agencies all apply these so called "draconian" restrictions on thier staff and it isn't because they are all bastards. Basically your average user can be trusted about half the distance you can kick them, they all think they know what they are doing until something goes wrong then it is IT's fault for not protecting them.

      If the student is paying to go to the university then the student is paying for the connection. Especially since the university may charge a technology fee to help offset costs for the IT services to students like my university does instead of hiding it in the general tuition like others may do.

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    28. Re:get over it by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Yes. But there also is research on porn.

      There is also research on child pornography and the creation of malware. That doesn't mean that the university needs to give universal access to those areas.

      If you're doing actual research on porn, you would be able to get an exemption.

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    29. Re:get over it by Xiaran · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why does it seem bizarre? I actually find you attitude strange. I left uni a long time ago but if I had access to alternate lectures of the same material from other universities I would have been all over that shit.

    30. Re:get over it by funnyguy · · Score: 2

      Ass|u|me

      You assume that this is a public university, and by and large, I think that's irrelevant. Students are paying for an education, not a degree. I'll open a corner market selling degrees if you'll come in and buy one. To say what you wrote is to say, students are "paying for their degree, not access to a comprehensive library. They will only see books directly relevant to their degree, nothing more." So, I'm sure you, in your infinite wisdom, can effectively make a comprehensive, always up-to-date list of approved books, periodicals, etc?

      This sounds like a possibly religious-based school. Those of that only schools I've run into who have filtered internet. Some public schools might limit outbound services, but I haven't seen much content filtering. Most school networks I've used have had separate dorm/student and university/faculty/staff networks. With computer labs being on the university network.

    31. Re:get over it by multimediavt · · Score: 2

      I am also in university IT. The students are NOT paying for a free unlimited Internet connection. They are paying for their degree, and can expect Internet access relevant to their degree, nothing more. Since a large amount of University funding comes from tax payers, why should they/we foot the bill for students to waste terabytes of data on Youtube and torrents?

      Umm, not sure what state or country you are in but most universities I know get no more than about 33% of their money from the state (most of that is used for salaries). The rest comes from tuition ( more than 50%) and donations/gifts to the university. So, OP not only could be paying for his/her connection, they are most likely supporting the entire university connection to the Internet. The university has a right to protect its systems and data, but not the right to restrict what people do with their own on their own time. There are very easy ways to cordon off dorm and other student networks (campus wireless) from the rest of campus while allowing general access to university systems and the Internet. Draconian access policies do not make better students nor more secure systems. In fact the exact opposite is almost assured in this case as students will be working from inside your network to breach whatever they can for the access they want. You will have more problems to deal with not less. I know, I have seen it happen. Unless the IT department is running on the bad metric of more tickets is good, you're creating more problems than you solve.

    32. Re:get over it by Dhalka226 · · Score: 1

      Well, you're right of course, which is why the university will also try to ding you for some sort of "technology access fee" on top of the absolute gouging you'll get for tuition, course materials and anything else you get from the university.

      Naturally they have a right to secure their network, but if the sites the submitter listed are getting blocked it's because somebody's incompetent, lazy, or taking it upon themselves to exercise some kind of moral authority over their adult students' activities that extends well beyond such mandate.

    33. Re:get over it by kenh · · Score: 1

      You are wasting your time and the time of the students for a motivation that smells a bit like Nazism.

      Really? The school blocks hackaday and it is equated to the systematic extermination of millions of human beings?

      There is a lot of pedagogical material on youtube.

      Which is likely why the school in question doesn't block youtube - at least the OP didn't include youtube in his list of sites included in the "draconian" censored websites listed...

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    34. Re:get over it by DesertJazz · · Score: 1

      I don't know about the poster, but personally I remember paying $500/semester for a technology fee. I definitely was paying for an internet connection at my university (along with the software library, etc.). If this had gone on there we would have literally revolted I believe... I did not go to a state university though, and somehow I doubt the OP is either. It strikes me as something a conservative private college would do.

    35. Re:get over it by kenh · · Score: 1

      I understand the school cafeteria employs draconian food filtering denying students access to pizza, steak and beer. Hey, these kids are paying top-dollar for their "food access plan" the university has no right to limit th emend to a few select foods at a given meal...

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    36. Re:get over it by kenh · · Score: 1

      Does the library subscribe to every known publication, have every known book, newspaper and periodical? No, but I don't imagine the students are complaining about their inability to access such material.

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    37. Re:get over it by kenh · · Score: 1

      Porn wasn't on the list of blocked sites in the original article, so I don't think that is the issue here...

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    38. Re:get over it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I understand the costs of internet access, I currently work in the IT department for a large company (I am studying and working full time as a mature age student -- I have worked in IT for the past decade). If the issue were only that youtube were blocked (it isn't by the way) I would not be complaining. I think I should have included more information in the submission as this wasn't meant to be about comics on the internet, or ways to bypass content filtering (which of course exist), but rather to ask if this situation is common and ways to protest the issue. I think the attitude on slashdot has changed somewhat, I haven't used this site in the past five years as such I didn't think I'd need to provide a defense for the use of internet access within a learning environment, but thats ok. I'll provide some more information here for you.

      There are a number of problems with a lack of internet access (I put it this way, because the web is not the internet). One example of such is the games programming course that is offered within the university. Xbox360 devkits were purchased as well as Source Engine licenses to that these could be used for teaching in the class room. These need to authenticate directly to Microsoft and Valve respectively, the IT department has refused to allow these services through the firewall, as such the introductory components of this course are now taught with sub par free 3d engines. The staff are not being listened to either. The purchased hardware sits unused in the lab now.

      I am enrolled in a double major, computer science and computer security. A number of the readings for security units are blocked by the content filtering system due to discussions of terrorism or hacking. The lecturer for this unit provides a 4G to wifi bridge in the tutorials (as his complaints to the IT department are ignored) for these classes so that we can access the readings, however research on campus outside of those tutorials is not possible. This is directly impacting the ability of students to complete coursework and conduct research.

      Staff members have commented about issues with research systems not having access to the internet (work arounds are NOT provided for academic staff). I know that a number of staff members in the computer science building share the cost of a 4G internet connection so that they can connect to resources belonging to other universities and research insitutions (they can't SSH out to access government research clusters etc).

      This is a real problem and isn't just about cartoons on the internet. Yes I have applied for a transfer to another university, but for this semester I will have to remain here.

    39. Re:Get over it by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      That door swings both ways. If you don't know the scope of what's being taught, how can you say Youtube isn't valuable? It's obviously valuable enough that cash-strapped stufdents are findinf their own solutions.

      As for the network bogging down over Pandora... seema like a better use of IT's time thab Something Awful, hmm...?

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    40. Re:get over it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Probably the part where you attribute education as equivalent to allowing you to watch youtube and obtain torrents, rather than equating it with learning how to think and solve problems.

      For this week's homework assignment, you need to deliver a 5,000 word essay on the effects of social media on the Arab Spring.

      And I'm sorry, but some fucking moron in the IT department has youtube, twitter, and facebook blocked because he doesn't consider them "educationally relevant" or worthy of study in a College environment, so despite having paid the required Internet & Computer Lab access fees you'll have to go off campus to do your research.

    41. Re:get over it by Sylak · · Score: 2

      And yet, you would be surprised at the number of professors who use YouTube videos in class because they're better than the VHS tapes and film strips they used to use, or just better quality of the same videos...

    42. Re:Get over it by Rakishi · · Score: 1

      Since when is youtube a valid academic source of information?

      Since Stanford and other places decided to put up their free lectures on it. It's now a very legitimate and very good source of educational information. You can also download them via bittorrent. Not to mention all the other useful how to videos. Amazingly people don't want to pay to host things and are perfectly fine letting google do it for them.

      That is btw why blocking is a very very bad idea. Because idiots like you run it and are as up to date on what actually matters as dinosaurs would be about Victorian fashion.

    43. Re:get over it by tibit · · Score: 1

      I don't know what you watch on YouTube, but it must be all the wrong things.

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    44. Re:get over it by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 1

      I remember the good old days when most of my research lab computers were constantly being DDOS attacked from all the student lab computers that had become bots because someone kept installing software from the internet. Before I left that university, they started automatic re-imaging the drives at 2am as an attempt to keep the malware in check. I believe it did a lot to solve the problem.

      My point being that IT/management may have valid reasons other than being "lazy" or being "bastards".

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    45. Re:get over it by tibit · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but I usually watch YouTube stuff at work and then it's 100% related to my work. Usually it's some engineering/science educational stuff that I need to learn new things. Same goes for torrents -- I usually use them for stuff like LibreOffice and browser updates, Linux and various free VM images, etc. You seem to think that it's OK to inconvenience the ones who use it for their education just because there are a bunch of goofballs out there.

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    46. Re:get over it by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 1

      This isn't a corporation, it is a facility for education. There are no profits to protect, here, nor is it their job to protect the students from their own habits. It's a waste of time and resources for IT to even be worrying about this.

      You're mistaken. Education is one of the functions of an University not the only one. Government research is usually being performed at these same institutions. You may want to check out the university directory sometime and pay attention to the number of doctorates and associates that are associated with research and do not teach.

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    47. Re:get over it by ktappe · · Score: 1

      All the internet tools and services you enjoy CAME FROM UNIVERSITIES. Cutting off Interent = cutting off education, the very reason for the university TO EXIST IN THE FIRST PLACE.

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    48. Re:get over it by ktappe · · Score: 1

      NO, school isn't free. However, the money pays for tuition and course materials, not free internet porn.

      Because of course the Internet is nothing but porn. :: roll eyes ::

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    49. Re:get over it by scubamage · · Score: 1

      So you're saying that a professor who finds an excellent lecture on youtube, or a teacher who posts his lectures on youtube, shouldn't be able to share them with his students. Sure, that makes sense to me. Likewise, the CS prof who tells his students to download an ISO of debian (you know, something that you can get as a torrent) shouldn't be able to do so. Just because you choose to focus on negative uses, there are positive ones. Even 6 years ago I had a number of teachers who relied very heavily on content freely posted to youtube to help serve as reference material (especially my Japanese film class, middle eastern politics, and assorted CS classes).

    50. Re:get over it by acohen1 · · Score: 1

      $75 ?! I think I payed about $800 a semester.

    51. Re:get over it by mikkelm · · Score: 1

      Both of your examples are completely irrelevant. The issue at hand is about blocking what is available, not about making available what is not.

    52. Re:Get over it by Cederic · · Score: 1

      please tell me what the sites he listed have to do with his education?

      You have a horribly narrow view of 'education'.

      I have been on site at places where just all the people streaming pandora has put enough load on the network to cause problems when added to the normal course of work network use.

      So use traffic shaping. Do not censor the internet.

    53. Re:Get over it by mikkelm · · Score: 1

      Every part of your equation depends on scale and location. If the campus is in a major metropolitan area in the U.S., they can typically get an Ethernet handoff and a full table (or a default route, if they'd like,) for $1/Mbps/month. The installation costs *may* be higher than ancient telco stuff, but if the capital is available, any additional cost will be made up for in savings in less than a year.

    54. Re:get over it by anyGould · · Score: 1

      * .exe and .dll are not allowed in e-mail

      We're all smart IT types here. Can we agree that filtering email based on file extension is possibly the most useless strategy ever?

      When my company firewall bounces an internal email because it has information.mdb attached (which is the file they asked me to build for them), but it doesn't bounce the renamed information.totallynotanmdb, it does not make the users feel safer in any way.

    55. Re:get over it by icebraining · · Score: 1

      I find Ng's explanations clearer. It's not necessarily my teacher's fault - some people might prefer his lectures.

      Bizarre is having all this free educational content that can actually help the students at no real extra cost for the university and not take advantage of it due to dumb restrictions.

    56. Re:get over it by ciascu · · Score: 1

      When I fly with, say, Air New Zealand, I am paying to arrive at my destination. My flight, depending on the direction, departure point and destination may well have significant subsidies both governmental and, de facto, from other flyers. However, if I had Ryanair service for 40 hours I'd be a little upset, and quite possibly in need of medical help on landing. While the whole point of the air journey is to arrive, I'm flying with AirNZ because (IMO) they provide a much better experience over that trip than the alternatives, for similar money. Multiply up to three years.

      So, yes, the taxpayer does subsidize the average public university to a significant degree. The university makes many expenditures on the life-style of admin, faculty, postgrads and students, whether that is the odd kitchenette, subsized cafeteria prices, subsized health care, etc. There is no guarantee that these actually contribute to the productivity of the individual, but they do contribute to morale and quality of life.

      I'm not going to say that Facebook access at University is fundamental to happiness, that'd be bizarre, but the suggestion that students aren't paying enough to have a say in their environment is a little odd.

    57. Re:get over it by ryanov · · Score: 1

      One saving grace for us is that we are a med school. We get less of the undergrad stuff that causes network headaches and our dorms are on cable.

    58. Re:Get over it by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      IT doesn't know what the students are actually doing. It's a stupid solution, which has already been proven.

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    59. Re:get over it by izomiac · · Score: 1

      I trust you take a consistent approach on non-degree-relevant telephone calls, television channels, and postal service in the dorms?

    60. Re:get over it by kenh · · Score: 1

      Well yes, they built the Autobahn.

      I would hate to bury all the good work the Nazi's did by only mentioning their systematic genocide of millions and millions of people.

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    61. Re:get over it by ajlisows · · Score: 1

      I can't imagine my story is too unique. When I got to college I started messing around with pirating software/finding porn. Music trading wasn't too popular yet (drive space issues, for one) but I dabbled. It led me to start learning about things like iRC, FTP, and eventually Linux. Unfettered access to the internet essentially guided me to my current career trajectory. If I had walked into firewalled dead ends everywhere I may have quit trying. A college education is more than what happens in the classroom.

    62. Re:get over it by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      My story isn't much different. Truth be told, the textbook stuff I was taught in high school, with the exception of Math, hasn't turned out to be all that practical in my work life. The stuff I did in my computer classes, even the 'goofing off', had paid off in major ways. In general I am just not a fan of limiting a student's access to the world.

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    63. Re:get over it by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      "draconian" restrictions are there because someone in IT/management is lazy or has twisted viewes about what moral powers they should have over students. In other words because they are bastards.

      Hey, don't count out incompetence now. Some MCSE with an outside vendor to put in a firewall to block everything can run a web content filter.

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    64. Re:get over it by xelah · · Score: 1

      Students are typically also paying rent to their University, which is acting as a landlord. Restricting the private use of a service provided as part of a private residence because that use isn't part of some other service you're also providing is not an acceptable practice. Though, of course, limiting it in the library, lecture halls, etc., may be a different matter.

    65. Re:get over it by sir-gold · · Score: 1

      $800 per semester just for the technology fee? is that in US dollars and if so, does that price include a free laptop? At the college I'm currently going to, $800 would cover a full 3rd of my full-time tuition.

    66. Re:get over it by acohen1 · · Score: 1

      I believe thats what portion of the on-campus housing fee went to internet access. Its how they billed it per ethernet port to an off-campus house I managed that had college provided fiber. The laptops we were required to buy cost $2400 but at least they lasted for 4 years.

  5. You have web? So you have DNS. by Pegasus · · Score: 1

    Which means you can setup a dns proxy for IP traffic and use it. It's not fast but is very handy to have ready when you're for example on a wifi that wants you to pay for using it via some kind of web page.

    1. Re:You have web? So you have DNS. by realityimpaired · · Score: 1

      It's trivially easy to set up a router/firewall to redirect all traffic on port 53 that doesn't originate from a specific IP address back to that IP address. It's something that large networks have been doing for a while... run your own caching DNS server, and direct all DNS traffic to that server, and on a sufficiently large network it does reduce traffic by a noticeable amount. It's also just good practice, because it reduces unnecessary traffic.

    2. Re:You have web? So you have DNS. by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      And for anybody who's wondering: the name of the program is iodine (as in Ip over Dns, or as in atomic number 53).

  6. Not an issue here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My university doesn't restrict internet access - they, however, ask you to not do anything illegal and log your activities. They give me 1GBit internet connection by cable or 450 MBit/s over WLAN (which I don't know how it is possible) so I can download stuff as quick as my slow laptop harddisk can save it.

    However, if they'd restrict access, I'd probably use TOR or some proxies to get full access or I'd set up a VPN connection to my server and access the internet in that way.

    1. Re:Not an issue here by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Yep the correct answer is TOR/I2P/VPN. Good work AC, too bad it got pushed down so far.

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    2. Re:Not an issue here by toddestan · · Score: 1

      That probably got pushed down because from the sounds of it, the connection is so heavily restricted that those options aren't going to work.

    3. Re:Not an issue here by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Even China only recently figured out how to detect and block Tor (and they're working on a steganographic encryption algorithm to evade the block) and I doubt VPNs and SSH are blocked, that would be ridiculous.

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  7. Is it important enough .. by dmomo · · Score: 1

    To choose a school based on it? Not going to a University with these restrictions is one way to vote with your dollar.
    If you don't plan on leaving, warn incoming students about these policies. Perhaps encourage them to ask about internet restrictions in their interviews. If it's a deciding factor in student enrollment numbers, they'd think hard about it.

    Further, you can petition and urge students to speak out against it. Taking action is an option.

    1. Re:Is it important enough .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Vote with your feet.
      My old university in Stockholm, Sweden didn't have any firewalling on the wifi-network. We even had a security labb where you could fool around, but that lab had a firwall protecting the Internet from stupid students.

  8. Practicality by Spad · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If they're dumb enough to lock down internet access to the point that it becomes unusable for work purposes whilst still allowing their network to be trivially bridged by 3G dongles then you're already fighting a losing battle. Chances are that the people writing the policy don't have the slighest clue what they're doing but have read some stuff about how the internet is bad and so should be blocked; be glad they don't do things like blocking all Javascript from running, which I've seen in some companies, thus breaking just about every site they don't already block (though arguably that's as much the fault of the websites in question as the security policy).

    Depending on their application security policies, if you've got a PC somewhere (friends, home, hosted box) with access to the internet proper, run an SSHd listening on a port you can get outbound on from the university network (if there even are any) and proxy all your traffic through that with a copy of Putty and something like Portable Firefox run off a USB key.

    Otherwise, you could try organising students and lecturers against the stupid IT policy, but I wouldn't hold out too much hope of getting anywhere.

    1. Re:Practicality by Kjella · · Score: 2

      If they're dumb enough to lock down internet access to the point that it becomes unusable for work purposes whilst still allowing their network to be trivially bridged by 3G dongles then you're already fighting a losing battle.

      Uh, who said anything about bridged? My impression was that they'd use 3G/4G dongles on their laptops instead of plugging into the university network at all, I don't see how you could block that short of jamming the signal. And presumably they don't care, if it doesn't happen over their network it's not their problem.

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    2. Re:Practicality by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      And presumably they don't care, if it doesn't happen over their network it's not their problem.

      Until those computers come back on their network with infections from the wild, defeating the entire point of their draconian restrictions. Of course, 3G dongles weren't needed for that, just a starbucks in walking distance of campus.

    3. Re:Practicality by cowboy76Spain · · Score: 1

      The same computers could be infected when the students go back home, get an USB from a friend....

      Conclusion: don't let computers you don't control in your network; at the very minimum keep them in an unstrusted VLAN.

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    4. Re:Practicality by realityimpaired · · Score: 1

      If they're dumb enough to lock down internet access to the point that it becomes unusable for work purposes

      Because you use SomethingAwful on a daily basis to do your job?

    5. Re:Practicality by kenh · · Score: 1

      Until those computers come back on their network with infections from the wild, defeating the entire point of their draconian restrictions.

      You know, I bet they protect their university equipment from unfettered access from machines on the public network.

      The university campus isn't wired like the apartment you and your friend share with a router, switch and all machines on the same subnet...

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  9. port 443 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I have this at work. get your sshd to listen on 443. if they manage to block that, start a petition. DPI is evil.

    1. Re:port 443 by Spad · · Score: 1

      It's quite possible that they only allow outbound 80/443 from their proxy server and block *all* outbound ports from client machines.

    2. Re:port 443 by dkf · · Score: 1

      I have this at work. get your sshd to listen on 443. if they manage to block that, start a petition. DPI is evil.

      You underestimate how tricky things could be. They might just block 443 anyway, which wouldn't be DPI but would be vastly annoying. Yes, it breaks sites thoroughly. Some might be white-listed (though the whitelist is likely to be out of date).

      Just for comparison: I've had meetings in places where the only external internet at all was via a crusty old proxy that couldn't even cope with the CONNECT verb and which would only allow you to reach port 80 in the first place. Not that it was worth trying to route around at all in the end; the bandwidth was awful and the latency in the multi-second range. Horrible horrible network. (There was another place that was nearly as bad until I had a word with their network guy and he told me the password for their external wifi; he was worried that it had no firewall in place to protect me, but I told him that I'd run my own security and handle the consequences. I was the only person who had good networking in the whole building. :-))

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  10. VPN? by SalsaDoom · · Score: 4, Informative

    Why not just setup a VPN real fast with someones DD-WRT router. I did this at a job that had a really obnoxious content filtering thing that actually prevented me from doing my job. I just vpn'd to home, but you probably have at least one friend in town that has something good enough for you to work with. Even a shitty VPN will do, since your not trying to protect anything so much as evade things.

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    1. Re:VPN? by omz13 · · Score: 1

      Because it is easy for VPN traffic to be blocked, especially as people tend to use this to get past content filters, etc.

    2. Re:VPN? by izomiac · · Score: 1

      IMHO, it'd be easier to pay $5/month for a private VPN service (over port 443) and forgo paying for internet service twice. But I wholeheartedly agree with this approach. Based on how the network is setup, it could well be trivial for someone to sniff your internet traffic.

      An added benefit is that nobody is likely to hassle you unless there's a subpoena, so you won't have to explain why you visited "some Chinese gaming site" to a local authoritarian (it's a wonder why I'm not even more paranoid having had such noisy network administrators).

  11. Get into the net as a volunteer by kikito · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In all Universities there is an "Inner Circle" formed by network admins, who are impervious to proxy filtering.

    The incantation to enter that select group is:

    "Hey, I'd like to help with the university network maintenance. Can I do it as a practice? I'll do it for free."

    This psalm recited to the right university demon will get you access to the University's network system. With luck, in 1 or 2 months you will have the relevant network keys/info. Probably you will have the rights to whitelist the pages you want.

    Then move out of there.

    1. Re:Get into the net as a volunteer by ryanov · · Score: 1

      My university appears to filter everyone, even the IT department.

    2. Re:Get into the net as a volunteer by omz13 · · Score: 1

      That's because the worst offenders are the uni IT people.

    3. Re:Get into the net as a volunteer by dkf · · Score: 1

      My university appears to filter everyone, even the IT department.

      That's because only the desktop machines of the "Inner Circle" will be whitelisted, and that certainly won't be the whole of IT. There will be explicit exceptions in the firewall rules for specific source IP addresses. (One of the exceptions will have to be for the proxy itself, though that could be DMZed. That would be genuinely competent, but unexpected.)

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    4. Re:Get into the net as a volunteer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What world do you live in where competent IT staff will give you an admin account so you can help out "for free as practice?" If I were involved in any sort of Uni IT management I would let whiny "eager to learn" volunteers within 100 meters of the network equipment. Cripes, want to learn server management? Sign up for the course. Stay the heck away from my production server.

    5. Re:Get into the net as a volunteer by ryanov · · Score: 1

      Our dress code prohibits that sort of shit, and /I/ am root. I'm still filtered. If I ask for an exemption, I'm told "look at another site that isn't blocked -- we don't want to be putting in a bunch of exemptions."

    6. Re:Get into the net as a volunteer by ryanov · · Score: 1

      My understanding is that there are no explicit exceptions and if someone wants to see something that is blocked, they go and use the computer that's on DSL.

    7. Re:Get into the net as a volunteer by kikito · · Score: 1

      Who do you ask for an exemption?

    8. Re:Get into the net as a volunteer by ryanov · · Score: 1

      There's a form you fill out that goes to some sort of management committee or something. I think their standard is 30 days.

    9. Re:Get into the net as a volunteer by kikito · · Score: 1

      Well, then those guys are root. Not you.

    10. Re:Get into the net as a volunteer by kikito · · Score: 1

      What world do you live in where Universities have competent IT staff?

    11. Re:Get into the net as a volunteer by ryanov · · Score: 1

      The problem I run afoul of is being blocked from technical documentation on exploits or open-source software used to test for exploits, as it's "malicious." I asked for access figuring that it's part of my job function. I got told 1) we should be buying something for that anyway, not looking on the web 2) you can just view that at home (yeah, OK, let me go home right now then) 3) it wasn't worth the trouble for them to allow access, particularly since I'd already asked for an exception to see something else not all that long ago. Apparently the rest of the IT staff doesn't have much need/interest in that kind of stuff, as the majority of technical documentation they read they've paid out the ass for.

      Other marginally annoying stuff is blocked also (stuff like Fark, I think) because it's "Tasteless/Offensive" but is not all that important. Haven't pushed my luck otherwise.

  12. 3G/4G? by 6Yankee · · Score: 3, Informative

    Back when I was at university, I bought a cable for my phone and got myself some sweet, sweet 9k6 access over GSM. It was faster and more reliable than the connection in the uni's computer labs ever was, not to mention no BS filtering. Paying by the minute made me focus on getting the job done and hanging up, too...

    As far as filtering goes, the conventional way around that was to log in as someone else. After all, their username was their matriculation number and the default password was their date of birth... If you couldn't read a classmate's ID and social-engineer his birthday out of him, no matter - the uni helpfully had an easily-accessible printout of the entire student body's personal information (in fact, you had to sign to get your grant, so they left it on the public side of the window), and those last few pages were awfully loose...

  13. Re:Google by Daengbo · · Score: 3

    Because Slashdot is a joke now. It used to be a place where IT people hung out.

  14. Not sure who's confused... by ryanov · · Score: 1

    ....everyone else, or me. However, to me "restrictive access to the web only" and "no access to the wider internet" means to me that he's not going to be running an SSH or VPN proxy to anywhere (except the VPN access that runs over the web ports, and I guess SSH on an alternate port if it's a simple port filter).

  15. OpenVPN by terminal.dk · · Score: 1

    OpenVPN on an openVZ virtual server. A 128k server to $2-3/months should be fine.
    And OpenVPN is VPN over HTTP/HTTPS.

    But organize a protest. It should be easy to get huge support for it. Start it up on facebook.

    1. Re:OpenVPN by jimicus · · Score: 2

      No it isn't, OpenVPN is a protocol in its own right, the security comes from SSL. Usually it runs on UDP/1194, though you could run it on TCP/443.

      It wouldn't be over HTTPS, but even so it may well be able to get through the firewall this way - assuming the firewall isn't doing some clever DPI work to fingerprint traffic type. (Possible, but IME rare).

      I think you may have got the HTTP/S idea from the full version of OpenVPN that also installs a web-based GUI. But when users log in, the first thing they're prompted to do is download a pre-configured client.

  16. 4G dongle by symbolset · · Score: 1

    Seriously, you're not going to win this one. Get your own Internet. And by all means invest in the offshore VPN service too, so you can find out what the real Internet is like behind the Great Firewall of America because that's where we're going now too.

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  17. Which University? by JambisJubilee · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'd say the university isn't fulfilling its role, and you should definitely rally to change things. The purpose of the university network (besides supporting research communications) is to allow you to learn.

    During my undergrad the university I attended provided full firewall-free internet with a *public* IP from their block for everyone who plugged in (and no-questions asked CNAMEs). The wireless was of course NAT'd but I had no problems.

    This all worked because of the genius way they solved problems was genius. If IT detected any funny business, a tech would physically show up at your lab/office and ask you what was going on and make you fix the problem right then and there.

    1. Re:Which University? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I've heard about the university of Bristol having such restrictive filtering, but that was several years ago. I don't know if it has changed since then.

      There should be a public list of universities describing these limitations, so students can prepare their stay there.

  18. Cultural/Media Studies? by Bazman · · Score: 1

    Make friends with someone in your Cultural/Media Studies faculty. Preferably someone doing research into social media, emerging cultural phenomena, self-organising cliques, something like that. Then get them to repeatedly hassle IT to give them access to blocked sites, claiming its for their research. I reckon after the fifth time IT will give up and just open up the whole network (their router access control lists will get unmanageable for their competence level).

  19. VPN outwards by ThunderBird89 · · Score: 1

    My former university used a VPN-service, where every student had to set up a VPN on their computers, and connect to the VPN-server before being able to browse the web. One of the guys even admitted that they're raping the VPN standard in every way possible by using it to connect outwards, rather than inwards, but still they stuck with it.
    The downside was that until the VPN service connected, there was absolutely no traffic to the wider web, which includes Google DNS. So every time I wanted to connect, I had to reset my DNS settings to use theirs (I was too lazy to edit the address into my hosts file every time I remembered). That, and the fact they kept a detailed log about all your activities while on their network.

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  20. Didn't you know this going in? by slimjim8094 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As a /. reader, I can only assume you're rather technical. Isn't this something you discovered before going there?

    Frankly, I wouldn't go to a school that did this. And I didn't. Thankfully, my first choice doesn't do anything like this. Traffic is unmonitored, but for legal reasons you have to register your MAC address to your university credentials to get out of the VLAN. This happens automatically with authentication to the wireless network, or manually through a captive portal for Ethernet.

    As required by law of all ISPs, they will use this to forward DMCA notices, which happens pretty frequently. I can't exactly fault them for that. They'll also notice if you're really hammering the network with worm traffic or something, in which case they'll kick you off until you get the system cleaned up, which I can't fault them for either.

    But other than that, they're pretty much out-of-the-way. They definitely view themselves as more of an ISP than anything academically-relevant, which is good. The university structure also places them at the same level as the individual schools (liberal arts, engineering, business, etc), and each school has its own school-specific IT that runs their own email and webhosting and so on, all of which helps keep them pretty much service-oriented. They pretty much provide internet access and server space to any university department that wants it (and pays for it, in one of those interdepartmental money-shuffling schemes), and otherwise back off from content management. Individual schools are free to filter whatever they want, but only in the school-managed network. In practice, none do. Even if they did, the dorms are separated out from that.

    Not to mention the university is almost as liberal as they come in terms of information freedom.

    But in any case, the university is your home for the time you're there. I wouldn't live somewhere that did this, and I wouldn't go to a school that did this. Not even because of the inconvenience - think about what that suggests about how they view academic and intellectual freedom.

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    1. Re:Didn't you know this going in? by Jicehix · · Score: 1

      They definitely view themselves as more of an ISP than anything academically-relevant, which is good.

      It seems to me that in France, universities are in fact actually treated as ISPs and subject to the same legal requirements (logs retention, etc.).

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    2. Re:Didn't you know this going in? by slimjim8094 · · Score: 1

      I may have been unclear... they're all legally ISPs, but at my school they see themselves as a provider of services to customers rather than anything more than incidentally associated with a university.

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  21. Two solutions: by subreality · · Score: 1

    1, technical. VPN. There are plenty of cheap providers out there who exist to fix this problem, or just find a friend who's willing to let you bounce off their home network.

    2, administrative. Go over the head of the technical guy who's blocking the net. You will need to do your homework first: have a good business case for why the current policies are a) inhibiting your (and many others') legitimate needs and b) aren't reasonable, necessary or effective measures to achieve security. If you have a hundred signatures on a petition you'll probably get some attention.

  22. Get your own network by krelvin · · Score: 1

    Depending on where you are located, you can use 3G or 4G data on a phone or a dedicated hotspot. Unless you plan on going hog wild on it.. Then you control your access... Hard to imagine that you didn't know this going in though.... you did ask before you signed up right?

  23. Re:Just use 3G by ledow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Unfortunately, 90% of the headache of running a network is the userbase. Even in a small secondary school it can be difficult to keep people from abusing the connection (hell, I know I abused my uni's connection when I was there, not to mention their storage, FTP, CPU time, etc.) without policies like this.

    They are providing you the service for things related to your work. Those sites you mention are not related to your work. Even if they were, the abuse of people using for things NOT related to their work is a burden that the IT department will be able to statistically measure. Otherwise they wouldn't bother with the hassle from students, staff, and technical problems associated with limiting your access.

    It's not a question of "experts vs students", it's a question of different priorities. Even if you escalated it to the Dean themselves with the aid of staff, you would all end up sitting in a room with the IT guys who would explain exactly how much traffic that system cuts out, how many lost hours, how fewer abuse complaints they receive, how many more PC's they'd need to cope with the extra demand because of people hogging the computers for personal use, etc. and all for something that - if a site is genuinely vital to your work - they would gladly adjust to make sure it didn't interfere with your studies.

    And then either you or the Dean would end up basically agreeing that what's in place isn't actually that draconian after all, and standard practice for most places for SEVERAL, very good, measurable, verifiable reasons. And every year you'd have the students/staff make the same argument and every year since the 90's it's been less of an issue because - as you point out - if you want unfiltered Internet for personal use, you can get it for next to nothing. And hell, in any university town I've ever been in, every cafe has free Internet to draw students in.

    You have paid the uni, indirectly, to support your studies. If they are not supporting your studies, you can complain. But you can't complain that they aren't other personal Internet services to all X thousand students on their campus without paying the difference it would cost.

    In my experience, working in schools rather than universities, I wouldn't be surprised if traffic (and therefore costs) quadrupled the second they relax their policy, even if they DON'T announce that they've done so. And those sorts of places usually run HUGE dedicated lines that are the backbone of the Internet - X thousand students accessing junk sites is NOT more important than the chemistry lab pushing a few Gigabytes around the world to their research partner. I assure you.

    You have a workaround in the form of your own Internet connection, use it. If you want the uni to provide it, they will charge you MORE for the same thing because they are NOT an end-user ISP.

  24. Re:My ass by geraud · · Score: 1

    Do not advertise the VPN provider who sold his customer to law enforcement last year. Bustmyass.com it is.

  25. Get on with some work by maroberts · · Score: 1

    If you were complaining about web sites related to your studies, you'd have some justification. The University network is there for studies and work, not for pissing around on.

    [At this point maybe I should confess that I spent all my mainframe time allocation at Uni playing the original MUD... :-P ]

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    1. Re:Get on with some work by u38cg · · Score: 1

      That was a fair argument in 1995, but in 2012 internet access is not a sort of special priviledge toy, and it's reasonable to assume that it is many students' only connection.

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    2. Re:Get on with some work by Cederic · · Score: 1

      [At this point maybe I should confess that I spent all my mainframe time allocation at Uni playing the original MUD... :-P ]

      Hmm. A couple of years behind you, but I spent six months online time in just one mud alone (of the dozens I played) during my three years at university.

      As a result I left university able to do OO programming with an understanding of Unix systems, basic TCP/IP and protocols, web development (such as it was in '94) and self-directed learning.

      None of which was explicitly taught on my course, but which did get factored into my honours degree grade by a tutor that understood that my coursework had suffered because I was having too much fun learning more interesting stuff elsewhere.

      I still respect his massive contribution to my career.

    3. Re:Get on with some work by Chrontius · · Score: 1

      This is 2012. Access to the Internet is ensconced by the U.N. as a basic human right.

  26. I Would Also Like To Know Who It Is by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Universities do not exist to restrict information. Anybody who thinks they do, is not doing their job.

    I agree that it is likely and administrator, rather than the IT department, who is responsible, but don't count on it. That's just worthless guesswork. You can find out.

    Whoever is responsible, don't listen to all these wimps who just tell you to cave and pay for ANOTHER internet source when you're already paying for this one. Get hold of EFF, EPIC, the ACLU, and anybody else you can, and tell them your academic freedom is being repressed. Because it is true. But get some help. There are organizations out there who can not only help you find who is responsible, but put pressure on them to change the status quo.

    Don't cave and just buy an expensive cell phone data connection (especially with prices going up). Fight the BS. Because that's what it is: BS.

    1. Re:I Would Also Like To Know Who It Is by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 3, Funny

      But it's their connection! Therefore, they are exempt from all criticism and he should do nothing if he disagrees with their policies.

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    2. Re:I Would Also Like To Know Who It Is by dkf · · Score: 1

      But it's their connection! Therefore, they are exempt from all criticism and he should do nothing if he disagrees with their policies.

      It's the university's connection, not the particular administrator of the IT department of the university's connection. That said, if it's an order that's come down from On High (it could be) then it's going to be hard to change since admins don't usually like to directly challenge nonsense from formal superiors.

      Another thing to check is whether the restriction is the same for all connections. We (speaking as someone who works in university IT) have a whitelisted wired network with very few restrictions (SMTP being the main one, for obvious reasons) and multiple wireless networks, all of which require authentication of some form in order to let you onto the majority of the internet. (Some of the wireless nets direct via a webpage form, others use a cryptographic identity as that's much more convenient for logging in with mobile devices.) Our main requirement overall is that only authorized users use the network (we've no problem with temporary auth for visitors) as that ensures that people are aware that they've got to obey the AUP (summary: don't break the law, don't be a total dick). As long as they're known, we don't care what they do (and for sure couldn't log it! We're really short of storage space.)

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    3. Re:I Would Also Like To Know Who It Is by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      Whoever is responsible, don't listen to all these wimps who just tell you to cave and pay for ANOTHER internet source when you're already paying for this one. Get hold of EFF, EPIC, the ACLU, and anybody else you can, and tell them your academic freedom is being repressed. Because it is true. But get some help. There are organizations out there who can not only help you find who is responsible, but put pressure on them to change the status quo.

      Yea, that’s a great choice - pick a fight over an issue that isn't really the point - no one is restricting your academic freedom. you are free to voice your opinio, research what you want - just not on their network. I'd imagine the EFF / ACLU / etc. laughing about your argument - I don't get unfettered internet via uni so way - my academic freedom is being restricted.

      I've been in that situation - and guess what - when you make a reasoned argument for why you need to do something they find a way to do it. Wanting to browse whatever whenever is not a reasonable request - and IT has to be sure that bandwidth is available for people really doing academic work - not to ensure we all get our /. fill

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    4. Re:I Would Also Like To Know Who It Is by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      "Yea, thatâ(TM)s a great choice - pick a fight over an issue that isn't really the point - no one is restricting your academic freedom."

      Complete BS as far as I am concerned. If you are paying or an Internet connection (and yes, if you're in college you're paying for it), and it is censored, then your academic freedom IS being restricted.

      "I'd imagine the EFF / ACLU / etc. laughing about your argument "

      Considering that they have already helped stop internet censorship at other universities in the United States, via the courts, I rather doubt they are laughing.

    5. Re:I Would Also Like To Know Who It Is by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      "Wanting to browse whatever whenever is not a reasonable request - and IT has to be sure that bandwidth is available for people really doing academic work - not to ensure we all get our /. fill"

      Nonsense. If you are a university student, and you are PAYING for access, then you deserve to get access. Which means yes, I would want exactly that... an unfettered Internet connection, just like anybody off-campus could get.

      Apparently, you are the sort of person who thinks University libraries should also be censored? How about U.S. mail going into and out of campus grounds? Should that be censored, too? The newspapers maybe?

    6. Re:I Would Also Like To Know Who It Is by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      "Wanting to browse whatever whenever is not a reasonable request - and IT has to be sure that bandwidth is available for people really doing academic work - not to ensure we all get our /. fill"

      Nonsense. If you are a university student, and you are PAYING for access, then you deserve to get access. Which means yes, I would want exactly that... an unfettered Internet connection, just like anybody off-campus could get. Apparently, you are the sort of person who thinks University libraries should also be censored? How about U.S. mail going into and out of campus grounds? Should that be censored, too? The newspapers maybe?

      Nice straw men and ad-hominem as a bonus. To bad they have nothing to do with the topic it hand. Do you consider restricting access to certain volumes censorship? Should I have unfettered access to a rare book that is the only known copy? Or that if I can't print a million copies of a flyer on the computer lab printers the university is censoring me? Or, should I be free to demand the university add in any books I may want in the library simply because they are available? You seem to think the university owes you unfettered access to everything, no matter the costs, or be guilty of censorship.

      As for the ACLU, they have sued non-university systems over filtering that blocked certain material, I can not recall or find a case where they sued a university because a student was not allowed unfettered access. As a side note, given the SCOTUS has allowed schools to control distribution of materials they may find that unfettered access is not a 1st amendment issue.

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    7. Re:I Would Also Like To Know Who It Is by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      "Nice straw men and ad-hominem as a bonus."

      Interesting you should say that, since I was directly addressing the issue of restricted access, which was what OP was about. But if you want real straw-man, we have this:

      "Do you consider restricting access to certain volumes censorship? Should I have unfettered access to a rare book that is the only known copy?"

      I did ask about censorship of books, but that's not a straw-man argument. Books and internet are both sources of valuable academic information. So there *IS* a direct comparison to be had.

      But nobody (except you) said ANYTHING about "rare books". In fact if it's on the internet, I don't think the term "rare" even applies. So who's making the straw-man argument here? Hint: I don't think it was me.

      "As for the ACLU, they have sued non-university systems over filtering that blocked certain material, I can not recall or find a case where they sued a university because a student was not allowed unfettered access."

      Out of context. I said ACLU has helped students with censored nets. Elsewhere, I stated that I would want unfettered access. But I did not put the two together and say ACLU would sue over unfettered access.

      "As a side note, given the SCOTUS has allowed schools to control distribution of materials they may find that unfettered access is not a 1st amendment issue."

      I did not claim that "academic freedom" was a 1st Amendment issue. It certainly can be in some instances, but I don't think I claimed that this was one of them.

    8. Re:I Would Also Like To Know Who It Is by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      "Nice straw men and ad-hominem as a bonus."

      Interesting you should say that, since I was directly addressing the issue of restricted access, which was what OP was about. But if you want real straw-man, we have this:

      "Do you consider restricting access to certain volumes censorship? Should I have unfettered access to a rare book that is the only known copy?"

      I did ask about censorship of books, but that's not a straw-man argument. Books and internet are both sources of valuable academic information. So there *IS* a direct comparison to be had. But nobody (except you) said ANYTHING about "rare books". In fact if it's on the internet, I don't think the term "rare" even applies. So who's making the straw-man argument here? Hint: I don't think it was me.

      So you are in favor of censorship, as you would define it, as long as it's not you that is being "censored.;" or back to the point - can an institution reasonably restrict access to protect a resource for use by others as well?

      "As for the ACLU, they have sued non-university systems over filtering that blocked certain material, I can not recall or find a case where they sued a university because a student was not allowed unfettered access."

      Out of context. I said ACLU has helped students with censored nets. Elsewhere, I stated that I would want unfettered access. But I did not put the two together and say ACLU would sue over unfettered access.

      So you agree that unfettered access in not a civil liberty issue and simply something you would want. Fine, but we don't always get what we want. As a side note, the logical flow of your argument in response to my statements suggest you think the ACLU should act in such cases.

      "As a side note, given the SCOTUS has allowed schools to control distribution of materials they may find that unfettered access is not a 1st amendment issue."

      I did not claim that "academic freedom" was a 1st Amendment issue. It certainly can be in some instances, but I don't think I claimed that this was one of them.

      You claimed it was censorship that restricted academic freedom - so if it's not a 1st amendment issue what possibly could it be? there is no unfettered right to access anything written into the Constitution, so it becomes simply a contractual agreement between you and the university; which can include any terms the university wants and you can either agree or not use the service.

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    9. Re:I Would Also Like To Know Who It Is by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      "So you are in favor of censorship, as you would define it, as long as it's not you that is being "censored.;" or back to the point - can an institution reasonably restrict access to protect a resource for use by others as well?"

      What? Where the hell did you get that, out of what I wrote? It sure as hell isn't anything I stated.

      Further, you aren't getting "back to the point" at all... you're getting back to the straw-man argument you were trying to make, which had nothing to do with my point, at all. Which I already explained. Duh. Are you actually reading what I wrote?

      "So you agree that unfettered access in not a civil liberty issue and simply something you would want."

      No, I don't necessarily agree with that at all. I was simply explaining that it is not anything I had stated earlier. Again... you are reading things into my words that don't actually exist.

      "As a side note, the logical flow of your argument in response to my statements suggest you think the ACLU should act in such cases."

      Yes, I did suggest that. But for reasons different from those you have tried to put in my mouth.

      "You claimed it was censorship that restricted academic freedom - so if it's not a 1st amendment issue what possibly could it be?"

      This illustrates the fuzziness of your logic throughout this exchange. I neither stated that the 1st Amendment was involved in THIS case, or that academic freedom equated to a 1st Amendment issue, again in this case. YOU are the only one who suggested as much.

    10. Re:I Would Also Like To Know Who It Is by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      "So you are in favor of censorship, as you would define it, as long as it's not you that is being "censored.;" or back to the point - can an institution reasonably restrict access to protect a resource for use by others as well?"

      What? Where the hell did you get that, out of what I wrote? It sure as hell isn't anything I stated. Further, you aren't getting "back to the point" at all... you're getting back to the straw-man argument you were trying to make, which had nothing to do with my point, at all. Which I already explained. Duh. Are you actually reading what I wrote?

      Your point seems to be you want unfettered internet access and think it is due you simply because you pay tuition.

      Every time I reply to you, you say "I didn't say that;" despite having done so earlier.

      For example - you said the OP should contact the ACLU - when I respond that they would not buy the argument you make - you pint out they have taken cases involving students - I point out those are 1st Amendment issues and you say "I never said it was a 1st amendment issue despite your examples.

      In short, it seems you have no argument at all for why unfettered access should be given other than "I want it."

      This illustrates the fuzziness of your logic throughout this exchange. I neither stated that the 1st Amendment was involved in THIS case, or that academic freedom equated to a 1st Amendment issue, again in this case. YOU are the only one who suggested as much.

      As I pointed out above, you brought in the aCLU, 1st amendment issues and then backtracked. In addition to backing down whenever I called you on your argument, you consistently fail to address the salient point:

      Does a university have the right to control the use of limited resources to the broader university community can use them as needed? You never have answered that, despite my providing a number of examples which you dismiss as straw men since you seem to have no other response.

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    11. Re:I Would Also Like To Know Who It Is by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      "Your point seems to be you want unfettered internet access and think it is due you simply because you pay tuition."

      Not just tuition; you also pay room and board, and fees for things such as internet. If it were ONLY tuition, I think it would be more up to the school. But regardless of just exactly how it is being paid for, it *IS* being paid for. Universities do not supply services for free. They are paid by fees or by taxes, one of the two.

      "Every time I reply to you, you say "I didn't say that;" despite having done so earlier."

      I say that when you twist my meaning. For example:

      ""So you are in favor of censorship, as you would define it, as long as it's not you that is being "censored.;""

      The fact is that I did NOT write that, or anything like it. You may have interpreted my words that way, but it isn't what I actually wrote and it sure is hell does not even remotely resemble anything I meant.

      "As I pointed out above, you brought in the aCLU, 1st amendment issues and then backtracked"

      No, that is not correct. YOU brought up the 1st Amendment. It wasn't me. YOU have kept insisting that the only justification the ACLU has to intervene is the 1st Amendment, but but that just isn't so, as I tried to tell you earlier. I neither stated or implied that the 1st Amendment was involved. You did.

      "In addition to backing down whenever I called you on your argument..."

      I have done no such thing. I haven't backed down from ANY of the statements I actually made; I only denied that I wrote the things that YOU were claiming I stated... but which I actually did not. Those are two very different things. I repeat: I was not making the arguments you have kept insisting I was making. I simply said that the student should contact the ACLU. I did not state or even imply that the 1st Amendment was involved. If I did, no doubt you will have no trouble quoting the words you claim I wrote which actually said that? I'd like to see them. As that link proves, the ACLU gets involved in academic freedom issues that do NOT involve the 1st Amendment. Just like I actually DID state.

      "you consistently fail to address the salient point: ... Does a university have the right to control the use of limited resources to the broader university community can use them as needed? You never have answered that, despite my providing a number of examples which you dismiss as straw men since you seem to have no other response."

      I never answered because it was a straw-man argument that, I repeat: has nothing whatever to do with the statement I originally made. I don't owe you answers to questions that aren't even relevant to the point I made.

      But since you seem to insist that I answer the question, relative or not, answer me this first: why do you keep insisting that they are "limited resources", without any evidence or citations to back that up? It is actually nothing more than an unfounded assumption. The universities with which I am familiar have internet resources that can hardly be called "limited", in comparison to regular cable service in the area. Also, they definitely charge for the privilege, as part of the cost of room and board... NOT as part of the tuition.

    12. Re:I Would Also Like To Know Who It Is by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      That sentence should have been "relevant or not". But I wan't to add this as well: blocking sites or otherwise censoring internet content is generally MORE expensive than not doing it. So a "limited resources" argument does not necessarily apply. Possibly, if you are saying that they don't want too many people downloading files and the like. But there are perfectly legitimate reasons to do that, too.

      Major ISP don't tell you just how drastically the price of supplying internet bandwidth has come DOWN, for the simple reason that they want to keep raising prices, not lower them. But the era of limited bandwidth, as a practical matter, is close to being over.

    13. Re:I Would Also Like To Know Who It Is by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      I never answered because it was a straw-man argument that, I repeat: has nothing whatever to do with the statement I originally made. I don't owe you answers to questions that aren't even relevant to the point I made.

      Since you insist on backtracking and then evading answering my point any further discussion relevant to what you said is, well, pointless.

      But since you seem to insist that I answer the question, relative or not, answer me this first: why do you keep insisting that they are "limited resources", without any evidence or citations to back that up? It is actually nothing more than an unfounded assumption. The universities with which I am familiar have internet resources that can hardly be called "limited", in comparison to regular cable service in the area. Also, they definitely charge for the privilege, as part of the cost of room and board... NOT as part of the tuition.

      Comparing their capacity to cable is relevant - do you really think any university network can withstand unlimited, unfettered use without degradation? As it degrades, people who are using it for real work suffer so others can torrent / watch videos / act. - activities that generally have nothing to do with academic uses.

      If it's provided as a result of a room and board deal then it really has nothing to do with the academic mission of the university - that is governed by contract law and if you don't like their deal go elsewhere - it's as simple as that. So your whole "academic freedom" argument is moot.

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    14. Re:I Would Also Like To Know Who It Is by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      "Since you insist on backtracking and then evading answering my point any further discussion relevant to what you said is, well, pointless."

      I agree that it is pointless, but for different reasons. It is pointless because you refuse to even acknowledge what my original argument was. Then you try to yank the discussion in a different direction, and insist that I stated (or at least implied) things that I actually did not, THEN, when I try to steer the conversation BACK to what I was originally talking about in the first place, you call that "backtracking" and denial.

      Sheesh. I have been very patient with you but my patience is about gone.

      "Comparing their capacity to cable is relevant - do you really think any university network can withstand unlimited, unfettered use without degradation?"

      Many universities do exactly that, so why should I expect otherwise? Of course I mean "unlimited and unfettered" only in comparison to other local ISPs... we have to be reasonable here. Nobody expects infinite bandwidth. So yes... I do expect that universities can supply bandwidth to their students in a manner comparable to other local ISPs. In fact, many of them do so via contracts with the local ISPs themselves.

      If it's provided as a result of a room and board deal then it really has nothing to do with the academic mission of the university - that is governed by contract law and if you don't like their deal go elsewhere - it's as simple as that. So your whole "academic freedom" argument is moot.

      That's only if you live off-campus, in which case none of this makes any difference anyway, because if you live off-campus, you aren't going to be getting your internet from the university!

    15. Re:I Would Also Like To Know Who It Is by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      Many universities do exactly that, so why should I expect otherwise? Of course I mean "unlimited and unfettered" only in comparison to other local ISPs... we have to be reasonable here. Nobody expects infinite bandwidth. So yes... I do expect that universities can supply bandwidth to their students in a manner comparable to other local ISPs. In fact, many of them do so via contracts with the local ISPs themselves.

      This is what I mean about backtracking when called on a point you make - you started out by saying it violates academic freedom to not give unfettered access and called for the ACLU to step in ... I say it's not reasonable to expect unlimited, unfettered access, we go back and forth and now you say:

      Nobody expects infinite bandwidth. So yes... I do expect that universities can supply bandwidth to their students in a manner comparable to other local ISPs.

      Which was my original point - Universities have the right to limit access to make best use of a resource for all a point you now seem to agree with; the only questions is what is a reasonable way to control the usage.

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    16. Re:I Would Also Like To Know Who It Is by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      "This is what I mean about backtracking when called on a point you make - you started out by saying it violates academic freedom to not give unfettered access and called for the ACLU to step in ... I say it's not reasonable to expect unlimited, unfettered access, we go back and forth ..."

      How is that "backtracking"? I am adhering to my original statement. How does that constitute "backtracking"?

      Yes, I did state "Nobody expects infinite bandwidth." That was merely to make sure we were keeping reasonable limits on this conversation. It is not in any way "backing down" or "backtracking" from what I originally stated. It was merely acknowledgment that we are talking about reasonable things, not outrageous hypotheticals.

      So when you say "I say it's not reasonable to expect unlimited, unfettered access", I was merely clarifying that we were talking about reasonably unlimited, and reasonably unfettered... exactly as one can get from some other ISP. At no time was I suggesting infinite bandwidth or infinite access. That would not be reasonable. If you are trying to claim that's what I meant, then we aren't even having the same argument.

      And at no time, throughout this whole exchange, did I see ANYTHING that would cause me to believe that you actually meant "I do expect that universities can supply bandwidth to their students in a manner comparable to other local ISPs."

      This entire conversation has been about a University blocking access to certain sites and materials. I do not call that "supplying bandwidth in a manner comparable to other ISPs". On the contrary; it is behavior for which "other ISPs" have either lost customers or gotten into trouble.

    17. Re:I Would Also Like To Know Who It Is by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      "This is what I mean about backtracking when called on a point you make - you started out by saying it violates academic freedom to not give unfettered access and called for the ACLU to step in ... I say it's not reasonable to expect unlimited, unfettered access, we go back and forth ..."

      How is that "backtracking"? I am adhering to my original statement. How does that constitute "backtracking"?

      Let's see. I said:

      "Wanting to browse whatever whenever is not a reasonable request - and IT has to be sure that bandwidth is available for people really doing academic work - not to ensure we all get our /. fill"

      To which you replied:

      Nonsense. If you are a university student, and you are PAYING for access, then you deserve to get access. Which means yes, I would want exactly that... an unfettered Internet connection, just like anybody off-campus could get.

      and proceeded to make a number of straw man arguments and launch ad-homenum attacks all the while saying "that's not what I said or meant" until you say: Yes, I did state "Nobody expects infinite bandwidth."

      which was my original point which you have now conveniently stated is yours as well. So it looks like we are in agreement with my original stance and the only real issue is what is reasonable.

      So, yes, you have backtracked all the way to saying my original stance was yours as well.

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    18. Re:I Would Also Like To Know Who It Is by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      "Nobody expects infinite bandwidth... which was my original point..."

      Bollocks. Until I made that clarification, I had never mentioned "unlimited bandwidth". In fact, I explicitly stated in the very beginning that is NOT what I was talking about, and it's right there, in your quote of my words:

      "... just like anybody off-campus could get..."

      ... and you proceeded to argue with me about that. If you were arguing about something else, like truly unlimited bandwidth, as opposed to a reasonable comparison with other ISPs, why did you not say so, in so many words? Because that has nothing at all to do with anything I was talking about, and you could not have been arguing with ME at all. I had assumed -- actually I had stated, just as you quoted there -- that I was only interested in a discussion within reasonable bounds, which I explicitly said was a comparison with "off-campus" ISPs. Since you did not plainly state otherwise, I had no choice but to assume your arguments were in the same context. If they were not (as you now say), and you were talking about completely unlimited bandwidth, and completely unfettered access, you were doing nothing but wasting both your time and mine, because that isn't even remotely what I was talking about. So why were you arguing with me in the first place?

      If you were actually arguing about something other than what I originally stated, I would have to ask why, because my statement there is perfectly clear. That is why I have repeatedly stated that you keep arguing about things I did not even say.

      And also, therefore, either you could not have meant what you now say, because you were arguing with THAT SENTENCE which you quoted, or you failed to understand that sentence. Either way, my statements have been consistent from the beginning: "just as anybody off-campus could get" compares on-campus internet to what is supplied by external ISPs, exactly as I repeated later on.

      With your quote, YOU have demonstrated that I have done nothing but remain consistent, and you have not. Either that, or you have been been arguing with thin air, and not me, because I made it clear in the very beginning that I was NOT talking about anything that was genuinely "unlimited"... I was only comparing to other ISPs.

      And I am done with this, because it is clearly a waste of time.

    19. Re:I Would Also Like To Know Who It Is by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      And by the way: to be honest, I don't think you really understand what either "straw-man" arguments or "ad hominem" attacks are.

    20. Re:I Would Also Like To Know Who It Is by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      "Nobody expects infinite bandwidth... which was my original point..."

      Bollocks. Until I made that clarification, I had never mentioned "unlimited bandwidth". In fact, I explicitly stated in the very beginning that is NOT what I was talking about, and it's right there, in your quote of my words:

      There you go again, first calling my statement that ""Wanting to browse whatever whenever is not a reasonable request - and IT has to be sure that bandwidth is available for people really doing academic work - not to ensure we all get our /. fill", and I quote: "Nosiness", make an ad-hominem attack and now you say you didn't mean completely unfettered; and yet wonder why I say you are backtracking?

      It seems you agree with my original position but seem incapable of saying so. That's fine. Cheers.

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    21. Re:I Would Also Like To Know Who It Is by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      "... and yet wonder why I say you are backtracking?"

      Because I wasn't backtracking. That's why.

      I am serious. I am done here. You are either trolling me or a complete dumbass. I don't really care which; I have no more time for this BS.

    22. Re:I Would Also Like To Know Who It Is by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      "... and yet wonder why I say you are backtracking?"

      Because I wasn't backtracking. That's why. I am serious. I am done here. You are either trolling me or a complete dumbass. I don't really care which; I have no more time for this BS.

      No worries, I've concluded the same thing about you; you can pick which one you are doing or are.

      Cheers...

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    23. Re:I Would Also Like To Know Who It Is by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      Apologies, I know I stated that I would not reply anymore, but I simply could not resist this one last time.

      You have simply proven my point. *I* could not be trolling YOU, because it is you who keep insisting on arguing with me and asserting that I stated things I actually haven't.

      So THAT argument, at least, you definitively lose.

    24. Re:I Would Also Like To Know Who It Is by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      Apologies, I know I stated that I would not reply anymore, but I simply could not resist this one last time. You have simply proven my point. *I* could not be trolling YOU, because it is you who keep insisting on arguing with me and asserting that I stated things I actually haven't. So THAT argument, at least, you definitively lose.

      No need to apologize. It's interesting that you insist on winning even though, after much back and forth, you simply restate my original position an then claim it was yours. If you must win, fine, I'm glad you just finally agreed with my reasonable position.

      Of course, I could be snarking and say since I reached the same conclusion as you did with respect to you that you had to me and said you were either trolling or a dumbass as well, and now you say you aren't trolling that only leaves one conclusion.

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    25. Re:I Would Also Like To Know Who It Is by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      You are completely full of shit. I tried to drop the conversation, rather than "insist on winning", because we weren't arguing about the same things, which I have already proved. Too bad you aren't intelligent enough to have realized that even now. But you just wouldn't leave it alone.

      Oh, you're snarking all right. And as far as I am concerned, you can come to pretty much whatever conclusion you want. I don't think either your arguments or "conclusions" will convince any other Slashdot readers any more than they have convinced me.

    26. Re:I Would Also Like To Know Who It Is by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      I don't think either your arguments or "conclusions" will convince any other Slashdot readers any more than they have convinced me.

      There you again again, backtracking after you agreed with me and now somehow deciding what you said wasn't what you mean. You really should think through your comments before you post because you do seem to be a bit more literate than the average /. poster; but you do seem a bit unable to do so and let your fingers do the walking before the brain has fully engaged. No worries

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    27. Re:I Would Also Like To Know Who It Is by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      "There you again again, backtracking after you agreed with me and now somehow deciding what you said wasn't what you mean."

      I repeat: you are completely full of shit. YOU were not agreeing with ME at all, as I clearly demonstrated. It is a mystery to me why you did not follow that logic; perhaps you just have no education in formal logic. The fact that you do not seem to understand what a "straw-man" argument actually is, or an "ad-hominem attack". I can only conclude that you are ignorant of other basic concepts of logic as well.

      Again, I say: too bad that you don't seem to understand that. But I think readers of this thread will see it plainly. Most readers do not seem to exhibit the comprehension issues you have paraded here for all to see.

    28. Re:I Would Also Like To Know Who It Is by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      That was supposed to have been: "The fact that you do not seem to understand what a 'straw-man' argument actually is, or an 'ad-hominem attack', is strong evidence of this."

    29. Re:I Would Also Like To Know Who It Is by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      YOU were not agreeing with ME at all,

      Let's review the bidding:

      I said:

      "Wanting to browse whatever whenever is not a reasonable request - and IT has to be sure that bandwidth is available for people really doing academic work - not to ensure we all get our /. fill"

      to which you replied:

      Nonsense. If you are a university student, and you are PAYING for access, then you deserve to get access. Which means yes, I would want exactly that... an unfettered Internet connection, just like anybody off-campus could get.

      and then followed a circuitous path, including side trips down ad-homenum and straw man lane, to get back to restating my original point by saying that when you said unfettered internet access you didn't mean completely unfettered - which was of course my exact original point.

      Ignoring the odd grammatical construction of "completely unfettered" (something unfettered is well, unfettered, or it is not unfettered, sort of like there's no small minority) it's pretty clear you are backtracking.

      So yes, I'm not agreeing with you - you're agreeing with me.

      But that's OK. As I said before, if you want to win, fine. I really don't care; although it seems important to you.

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    30. Re:I Would Also Like To Know Who It Is by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      I am not going to review anything. I have made my points, you did not understand them; that is that. I am done here. I have no reason to continue repeating myself. I'll let other readers judge what is what.

    31. Re:I Would Also Like To Know Who It Is by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      I have made my points,

      Correct. Which ultimately was exactly the same as my original point although for some reason you can't seem to grasp that. Oh well.

      I am done here.

      Ok, but you keep backtracking and coming back. Oh well, Cheers...

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      I'm a consultant - I convert gibberish into cash-flow.
    32. Re:I Would Also Like To Know Who It Is by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1
      But you keep putting bait out there, which has been almost too tempting to resist. Which is precisely why I suggested you may be trolling. That's how trolling got its name.

      "Correct. Which ultimately was exactly the same as my original point although for some reason you can't seem to grasp that. Oh well."

      No, you are the one failing to grasp. Look dude, I'll put it as simply as I can: if we were actually making the same point, why were you arguing with me in the first place? Was it just a mistake on your part, or were you baiting me, or did you truly not understand? Because it almost has to be one of those three.

      That's called a "slam-dunk". That's not the only issue with this exchange but it is sufficient to show that you are either ignorant or a troll. Note that I didn't say "stupid". I'm not accusing you of that.

      I have already shown that we could NOT have been making the same point. So I'm not going to go over that again. But add in the fact that you were arguing with me over that point, and we get a pretty solid conclusion, but it isn't the one you have been stating. Because even if we HAD been stating the same things, then you would have had no legitimate reason to be arguing with me. So either way, you are on the wrong side of the argument.

    33. Re:I Would Also Like To Know Who It Is by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      No, you are the one failing to grasp. Look dude, I'll put it as simply as I can: if we were actually making the same point, why were you arguing with me in the first place? Was it just a mistake on your part, or were you baiting me, or did you truly not understand? Because it almost has to be one of those three.

      Actually, no. Let me make this real simple:

      At the start, I said it was not reasonable to expect to be able to browse whatever, whenever, that a uni's IT staff had to be able to make sure bandwidth is available for real academic needs.

      You replied:

      Nonsense. If you are a university student, and you are PAYING for access, then you deserve to get access. Which means yes, I would want exactly that... an unfettered Internet connection, just like anybody off-campus could get.

      (as a side note you said i was someone who wanted to censor the library (ad-homenum) and then made up some straw man about the US mail.)

      After a long and circuitous discussion you then said that unfettered doesn't mean completely unfettered - i.e. it is reasonable to manage access or use of the resource - which off course is what I originally said.

      I'm not sure what isn't clear in my original position nor that you eventually reached the same conclusion.

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      I'm a consultant - I convert gibberish into cash-flow.
    34. Re:I Would Also Like To Know Who It Is by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      "I'm not sure what isn't clear in my original position nor that you eventually reached the same conclusion."

      Absolute horseshit. I will explain this for the third and last time, since you still don't seem to get it: I "reached that conclusion" in the very beginning, in this sentence:

      "Which means yes, I would want exactly that... an unfettered Internet connection, just like anybody off-campus could get." [emphasis added]

      "Just like anybody off-campus could get" clearly implies not literally unlimited, and not absolutely "unfettered", because the average off-campus ISP does not provide infinite bandwidth, or 100.000% of the internet's content.

    35. Re:I Would Also Like To Know Who It Is by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      "Just like anybody off-campus could get" clearly implies not literally unlimited, and not absolutely "unfettered", because the average off-campus ISP does not provide infinite bandwidth, or 100.000% of the internet's content.

      There you go, backtracking again. First you say unfettered, and your "...just like anybody off-campus could get." implied that was available; after I say it's not unreasonable to control bandwidth use you say, "Of course, I never meant totally unfettered, nor, as you no add, not literally unlimited." Which, as I have pointed out, was my original point.

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      I'm a consultant - I convert gibberish into cash-flow.
    36. Re:I Would Also Like To Know Who It Is by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

      Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

      Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

      You were quoting (and I was re-quoting) my original comment on the matter, which made my point! And you call even referring to THAT, "backtracking"!

      Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

      Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

      Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

      It's almost TOO ridiculous to be funny!

    37. Re:I Would Also Like To Know Who It Is by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      You were quoting (and I was re-quoting) my original comment on the matter, which made my point! And you call even referring to THAT, "backtracking"!

      Of course I used it - rather than paraphrase your statements, I juxtaposed it with your later ones that clearly back away from your original position, to illustrate how you eventually came to agreeing with me; even though you insist you aren't and that my original position was yours.

      It's almost TOO ridiculous to be funny!

      I wouldn't call your logic ridiculous, I'd use flawed; but you are free to characterize your argument any way you want. It's good you can laugh at yourself; far too fewe people can do that.

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      I'm a consultant - I convert gibberish into cash-flow.
    38. Re:I Would Also Like To Know Who It Is by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      "Of course I used it - rather than paraphrase your statements, I juxtaposed it with your later ones that clearly back away from your original position, to illustrate how you eventually came to agreeing with me; even though you insist you aren't and that my original position was yours."

      Absolute proof you are trolling. Because that is the exact opposite of what you actually did. You quoted that sentence, then claimed I had reached the same conclusion in my later statements. But what you did not realize (and which I then pointed out), was that the conclusion you accused me of arriving at later was implicit in that original statement all along.

      There is no "backtracking" involved... I showed that the conclusion was the same as the one I discussed later, not any change of mind or story on my part. YOU, on the other hand, have kept claiming I said one thing, then you have claimed I was saying something else, then you claim I said the first (contradictory) thing again. When (as I clearly showed), nothing of the sort was going on.

      No more replies. You are a completely full of shit troll. Too bad Slashdot does not have a "flag this poster as troll" button. From my point of view you are a scum-of-the-earth lowlife with obvious emotional problems.

    39. Re:I Would Also Like To Know Who It Is by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      You quoted that sentence, then claimed I had reached the same conclusion in my later statements. But what you did not realize (and which I then pointed out), was that the conclusion you accused me of arriving at later was implicit in that original statement all along.

      Because that is what you did - you implied you get unfettered access off campus; and then later claim differently. of course, rather than discuss that, you launch, as usual, another ad hominem attack rather than take the time to think things through.Oh well...

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      I'm a consultant - I convert gibberish into cash-flow.
  27. A Brief on Drilling corporate firewall by jsse · · Score: 2

    The following serve as an overview. You would like to do your further research.

    (1) SSH client (inside) ---SSH Tunnel--> SSH server (outside, with webproxy)

    This may be the simplest setup, and the client could be linux or putty on Windows; and the server could be linux or CYGWIN on Windows

    (2) OpenVPN client (inside) ---OpenVPN handshake--> OpenVPN server (outside, with internet routing)

    You need to setup an OpenVPN server outside. For example, I reflash a CISCO router with OpenWRT at home so that I can connect from anywhere with OpenVPN client and use home's internet. This method could drill through most firewall/proxy, because it can be configured on any port, and any protocol (TCP or UDP).

    Above methods requires setting up Internet connection outside. You might want to circumvene University's security policies directly, say by malform URL request. However, I do not recommend you to do so, as it would be considered a direct attack on their firewall.

    1. Re:A Brief on Drilling corporate firewall by Krneki · · Score: 1

      Yap. But SSH is much harder to spot or block, all you need is 1 open port and doesn't matter which one. And if you have a proper router at home, you can use it as ssh server.

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      Love many, trust a few, do harm to none.
  28. We have the same problem at our uni by mufflon · · Score: 1

    Check out proxy over dns. The dns is usually not as heavily filtered as the rest. It's not as fast (and you would need a computer you can connect to from outside, but it won't be subject to the same limitations).

  29. Re:Google by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 1

    What if it's simply reflecting the types that are passed off as IT people now?

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  30. Honestly I think you might have this all wrong.... by awjr · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you can go to your course lecturers and justify why you need access to Hackaday to complete your course, I am sure your lecturers have a process to unblock the sites.

    In the meantime there are 1000s of other students trying to use campus PCs without needing to find them screwed over by the previous user. What you *might* be able to persuade the University to do is to provide an unrestricted wi-fi point on campus for personal use.

  31. students are technically paying customers by OrangeTide · · Score: 2

    University isn't normally free.

    Also they Uni is wasting additional money on licenses for software and products to block everything, when it would be cheaper for them to provide a wide open internet to paying students.

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    “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
    1. Re:students are technically paying customers by smash · · Score: 1

      Tuition fees are not for internet service provision.

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      I run: Windows, OS X, Linux, FreeBSD. Just because you have a hammer, doesn't mean everything is a nail.
  32. Use their obligations as a landlord by m50d · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you're staying in university accommodation, and they're in a monopoly position as your internet provider, then they have an obligation (moral and possibly legal) to provide an equivalent service to what you'd get from a commercial ISP in private housing.

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    I am trolling
    1. Re:Use their obligations as a landlord by Jumperalex · · Score: 1

      Mod this up. I would but I have posted already on another conversation. All the people saying " you pay for the uni to provide tools for your education" are right when it comes to tuition and school computers. When it comes to the students computer, in their dorm, and they are unable to source a competetive option, then the uni should provide an unrestricted connection just like a student can get when off-campus.

      If you CAN get a non-school network connection well then ... frankly ... I'd rather do that since it might even be superior in speed / reliability / reduced monitoring.

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      If you can't be good, be good at it!
  33. Re:don't like it, buy your own 3G card/modem by geogob · · Score: 1

    Unlimited access to internet is much cheaper than university administrative fees for such things as, you know, internet connection.Your concept of "free" is quite distorted.

  34. Network lockdown by university is frustrating by Xolve · · Score: 1

    This happens. And Its sad that university which should be a home for free flow of ideas just block the very channel for it. Even more frustrating is when access to IRC is blocked! I used tor but many IRC servers do not like that and they will now allow you on their network. IMHO blocking traffic where it prevents blocking of network is the one legitimate (e.g. torrent which just sucks up the whole bandwidth). I think when IT guys say that they want to prevent malware it shows they are too lazy to do their job of keeping the networks and computers safe.

  35. US issue? by tiedemann · · Score: 1

    I'm working at a university in Sweden. This kind of behaviour would be totally unacceptable here (afaik).
    Sure, the wired net with static IP's has a MAC filter but anyone is welcome to use the guest wlan which works ok as long as you don't need to access file shares behind our firewalls.

  36. Speaking from the other perspective.. by GoLGY · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As a member of an IT systems admin team for a faculty we've often got specific mandates which services we must restrict, and to what end. What you may also be up against, other than 'unprivileged' access - is politics. Students do Naughty Stuff (tm) - that's just a fact that keeps on proving itself true time and time again. Even if you can speak for you, your friends, or your entire course - I can bet dollars to donuts that there's someone out there trying to do something shifty. Case in point: I was seriously asked to relax the restrictions on banning Steam so a student could "download 10 or 15 gig so i didn't have to do it over dial-up". On-campus living - sure, i can see where restrictions like that may diminish any sort of sanity saving software platform ( Valve fan \o/ ), but I'm not going to open up a faculty network just so you can play games. It's an education facility, not your personal high speed connection to the 'net. If you were a postgraduate student researching something that required access - then by all means get your supervisor to approve your request and I'll be more than happy to make it happen.

    That being said - outline a clear case of why you need certain things re-classified and you may have a better case to work with. I am not suggesting that this tactic will work - as there's probably more to the story ( see - plug and play filter lists/software/appliances which remove the need to dedicate an entire FTE to putting classifications on traffic going out ) than you really know, but it will certainly stop you from seeming like a whinging student and more like an intellectual who is using sound reasoning. Hell - if you are able to find clear, repeated examples of wrongful clasification of websites, you may be able to enact a reconsideration of what's being used to deny you access or relax the level in which things are blocked.

    Of course, they might not care. Who knows?

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    --- perl -e 'printf("%s\n", pack "H*", "7369670a676f6c677940676f6c67792e6e65740a2f736967")'
    1. Re:Speaking from the other perspective.. by Supermike68 · · Score: 1

      As an educational institution they do have a right to control the content on their networks, but they are also have a responsibility to student success. Therefore they are almost obligated to provide students with a way to de-stress. I ran into this when I was in university a few years ago. There were students playing World of Warcraft in an area designated for studying. I had no problem with them playing but this caused them to create a number of distractions. When I asked the IT department why access to Blizzard servers was allowed they responded with 'As an educational institution we are responsible for student success, as a result we need to provide students with a way to de-stress. This was one of those ways'. I ended up buying $20 noise cancelling headphones and the problem was solved.

    2. Re:Speaking from the other perspective.. by PvtVoid · · Score: 1

      Let me be the first to say: Fuck you. I don't have to meet your criteria for intellectual seriousness to get access to the fucking internet, any more than I need to convince a librarian I am Serious(TM) enough to read a book that somebody doesn't like.

    3. Re:Speaking from the other perspective.. by TemporalBeing · · Score: 1

      Well, I'll add a little. I do agree with the GoLGY; however, the university/college must also adhere to its values and pick an appropriate solution.

      For instance, my college instituted the N2H2 Bess Filter designed for K-12 after some students used the network for porn; well, they used the system in the public labs in the dormatories. However, that is not an appropriate solution for a collegiant institution; and it was implemented campus wide - on all computers; it was also very difficult to get things approved as not being needed to filter. (E.g. I needed access to RightStuf as I had a license to be able to use their media for our media related club; but they wouldn't approve the site; despite it not meeting their policy requirements for being blocked.)

      Of course, the real kicker was that it was the policy of the college to teach kids reponsibility. Their use of the filter did not meet adhere to that policy. The main reason for the policy? Politics and alumni relations (e.g. money) as the incident that led to it was rather high profile to at least some alumni groups.

      Perhaps the better solution would simply to have required students to login to a proxy; and then hold them accountable for the sites retrieved through the proxy; and by default, everyone has to login. (Or perhaps, allow the login to by-pass the filter.)

      All that said, the content industry (e.g. RIAA and MPAA) has made it hard for colleges to run their networks as well. So you can put some of the blame there too.

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      Truth is like the sun. You can shut it out for a time, but it ain't goin' away. - Elvis Presley (source: imdb.com)
    4. Re:Speaking from the other perspective.. by GoLGY · · Score: 1

      That's an immense over-reaction, and illustrates the "I pay, give me what i want" attitude which does not score points and makes any sort of discourse adversarial from the get-go. Well done! Gold star for you!

      The long and the short of the reality here is - if you, as a student, are asking me to take on your non-academia impacting website filter problem by appealing to my boss to get a change approved ( which then ties *my* name to it, and my boss' too for approving it ) and implemented ( which, may involve out of hours work depending on if such things require it ) then yes, you need to show a little fucking intelligence when it comes to asking me to do it. If you come at me with that attitude then I am going to dismiss your problem and then forget who you are, not because I'm a jerk but because I'm more worried about service delivery for the 12 odd thousand other faculty students that want to Get Stuff Done (tm) and not just those who complain about not getting their internet lulz. If the only reason you've got is "because I said so", then that's just not good enough.

      If you come to me saying "The website slashdot.org has been unfairly blocked under the reason pornography, could you check it out?" then I will at least have some sort evidence to back up any sort of claim that the solution that we as IT have in place, may not be appropriately doing its job. If your request is additional to a bunch more that claim there's classification errors going on - I have a strong case to review what's going on and perhaps knock down the paranoia level if there's such a device or bit of software that controls it, or at least try and effect change.

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      --- perl -e 'printf("%s\n", pack "H*", "7369670a676f6c677940676f6c67792e6e65740a2f736967")'
    5. Re:Speaking from the other perspective.. by GoLGY · · Score: 1

      All that said, the content industry (e.g. RIAA and MPAA) has made it hard for colleges to run their networks as well. So you can put some of the blame there too.

      Incredibly hard. To say that they've forced universities ( at least here in Australia ) to perform witch-hunts regularly is probably putting it lightly. But here, of course, laws are different - and education facilities are not covered by safe harbor.

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      --- perl -e 'printf("%s\n", pack "H*", "7369670a676f6c677940676f6c67792e6e65740a2f736967")'
    6. Re:Speaking from the other perspective.. by TemporalBeing · · Score: 1

      All that said, the content industry (e.g. RIAA and MPAA) has made it hard for colleges to run their networks as well. So you can put some of the blame there too.

      Incredibly hard. To say that they've forced universities ( at least here in Australia ) to perform witch-hunts regularly is probably putting it lightly. But here, of course, laws are different - and education facilities are not covered by safe harbor.

      Not sure whether or not they are covered by the Safe-Harbor clauses in the US, but the RIAA/MPAA have forced a few collegiant institutions to do filtering on their network for them, which is just wrong. I don't know how many have agreed without it getting made public (or at least have it come out in the press); but I would expect that there is at least pressure there to do so. It's a sad situation.

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      Truth is like the sun. You can shut it out for a time, but it ain't goin' away. - Elvis Presley (source: imdb.com)
  37. Re:Google by philip.paradis · · Score: 1

    That's about the time a large portion of /. became a joke. While I still enjoy many discussions here, there is a definite difference in the /. of today and the /. of ten years ago. As a rule, any industry (including IT) has always had its share of pretenders, but they certainly seem to be much more numerous in IT these days. I blame it on the ever increasing trend of people going to college to get a piece of paper that allegedly qualifies them to do technical work, regardless of their actual ability to do the work.

    Signed,

    A /. user of about 12 years who recently created a new user account.

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  38. University IT usually gets run by morons by Weezul · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Rutgers University bans ssh public keys. Ergo, all the students employ expect scripts that contain their passwords. These expect scripts aren't from students writing em' themselves, but just copied from friends. In particular, there are students who barley know what ls and rm do, but certainly won't know to change their password if their laptop gets stolen. And students commonly hack one another's accounts by copying said script.

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    1. Re:University IT usually gets run by morons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Students always know about barley. After all, their favorite drink is made using it.

    2. Re:University IT usually gets run by morons by pongo000 · · Score: 1

      Rutgers University bans ssh public keys.

      How far Rutgers has fallen...anyone remember the old telnet days, prior to IRC? (Talking late 80's here...) quartz.rutgers.edu was one of the mainstays of the telnet scene. Guess times change...

    3. Re:University IT usually gets run by morons by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Wait, how do you ban a public key? Search everyone's backpacks for rogue thumbdrives that may contain keys?

    4. Re:University IT usually gets run by morons by lunchlady55 · · Score: 1

      Wait, how do you ban a public key? Search everyone's backpacks for rogue thumbdrives that may contain keys?

      In the server's /etc/ssh/sshd_config:

      Change
      PubkeyAuthentication yes
      to
      PubkeyAuthentication no

      (and maybe the RSAAuthentication too, I'm too lazy to really look it up)

      restart ssh

      TA-DA! The Aristocrats!

  39. Student computer club? by introcept · · Score: 1

    See if there's an on campus computer club, that will almost certainly lead you to people, servers and networks that will help with outside access.

    A few things I've seen used on campus:
    -SSH proxy tunneling
    -VPNs
    -IPV6 related workarounds
    -'partner' universities and organisation that can be accessed/tunelled through without going through the firewall
    -wifi router/repeater with long distance wifi link (eg with a 'cantenna') to an off-campus house/building
    -friends that work for campus IT, local ISPs and the university's ISP

  40. Specifically for torrents, an easy solution by DanTheManMS · · Score: 1

    If you're talking about torrents, then I have one word: BitcoinTorrentz. Cheaper than a VPN, you get your torrented files over a standard port 80 HTTP connection (though it is NOT encrypted, if that makes a difference), and hey this is Slashdot so LOL ANONYMOUS MONEY for whatever that's worth.

    For all other normal web traffic, yes your school is being very Draconian if they're blocking the likes of Hackaday. I mean hell, that's pretty much "Great Firewall Of China" levels of censorship there. I frankly don't know what you can do as a single person to try and change that, but know that most colleges in the US don't filter Internet traffic at all, so your IT admin is almost certainly on a power trip if he's implementing these sorts of policies.

    1. Re:Specifically for torrents, an easy solution by DanTheManMS · · Score: 1

      Pre-emptive defense: replace "at all" with "nearly as much" in that second paragraph.

  41. Re:don't like it, buy your own 3G card/modem by dkf · · Score: 1

    Unlimited access to internet is much cheaper than university administrative fees for such things as, you know, internet connection.Your concept of "free" is quite distorted.

    The fees won't just be paying for the connection. There's a whole bunch of services too, including not just email but also things like having people around to help when things go wrong. That really costs and the value is invisible until you really need it.

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    "Little does he know, but there is no 'I' in 'Idiot'!"
  42. Are you studying Computer Science or Programming? by OzTech · · Score: 4, Funny

    If so ...

    This is the basic test to see if you are worth letting back for the second semester.
    As you have posted this question on /. I suggest your consider a different career path.

    As you obviously want other technical people to get you out of trouble and solve all of your problems for you, I suggest you look at Sales and or Marketing.
    Something tells me you have a natural aptitude for either of these.

  43. Re:Google by icebraining · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've read the comments from stories from 2002. I don't see how are they much better. Are you sure you haven't forgot to take off the rose-colored glasses?

  44. Students Union. by chrb · · Score: 4, Informative

    Most (all?) universities have a union to represent the needs of the students. Get them to raise the issue and it's likely to be a lot more effective than one man's personal protest.

    1. Re:Students Union. by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Informative

      And never forget you are ultimately paying for a service and if they are hindering your ability to learn by crippling the network they are providing a poor service and need to be called on it. It took me awhile to get that to sink in with my oldest but now when a teacher isn't doing their job (one gave them a test on material he never covered because he went on vacation during the period he was suppose to cover it and didn't bother to tell the TA) or something is hampering their ability to get the most out of the class he will get as many of his classmates as he can together and they go to the dean. not only has several things been changed but he was put on the Dean's list for his leadership ability.

      Its like that old saying "There are sheep and there are wolves" and too many simply are afraid to 'rock the boat' or complain even when something is causing them grief. i bet if he organizes his fellow students he CAN get these rules changed, they are paying for the network after all.

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  46. The OP isn't asking your opinion about IT policies by klifford · · Score: 1

    He's asking what options are available for getting around a problem he has. When someone's IT policy is threatened here, dozens of people instantly rush to its defense. The topic wasn't started to debate whether it was a good or bad policy; whether the IT department here was doing their job well; whether they were just crazy with power. Nor was it a pity plea; they don't want your derision.

    They wanted a solution to their problem. That's why they're asking /. how to deal with the situation. If someone asks you for help fixing their car, you don't launch into a rant about the engineer's design and material choices and how they know better. Hopefully, you go about helping them fix the problem.

    There's no point in having Ask Slashdot if the replies are all posts telling the asker they're meddling, they're stupid, they're lazy, they don't understand. You aren't obligated to respond to the questions. If you don't have a solution, don't say anything and avoid being an unhelpful dick.

  47. Depends on what university by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Informative

    If it is a private university, then yes, they can do whatever they like, no matter how stupid it is. If they are a public university, then no it isn't "their bandwidth" it is "the public's bandwidth" and they have certain responsibilities.

    So that's the first question to answer: Public or private? If it is private, well then suck it up. Private schools can, and often are, stupid with some of their rules. My recommendation is don't go to them, go to a public university.

    If it is public then the thing to find out is where this is coming from. If it is from on high, the board of regents, there may be little you can do, though you can investigate state law, maybe talk to FIRE. However if it is coming from an overzealous IT department, then maybe it is time for them to get smacked around and learn that they are there to provide a service, not to act like despots.

    In that case maybe talk to the faculty senate. The faculty and administration can ultimately tell the IT department to sit down and shut up, they perhaps just need to be made aware of that fact. Get information from other universities, see how they do it. You'll have no trouble finding places that provide essentially unrestricted Internet access (the university I work at does). Present the faculty with ammunition that it can and should be done a different way and they may choose to affect a change.

    As something of an example of the second scenario in the private sector, my dad worked as a VP for a company;s American branch for many years. They decided to bring him over to the British branch for a bit to clean shit up. So he is over there, meets the guy who is the director in everything but title of that place (that was forthcoming). Guy says "Hi, welcome, I've got to go to this meeting, here's my office make yourself comfortable, I'll be back in an hour." My dad decides he'll check his e-mail and such things on the guys computer. No luck, can't get on the Internet.

    He has someone call IT for him. IT comes down and says "Oh ya he doesn't have Internet access, he doesn't need it." Umm what? The guy in charge doesn't have Internet access? And who the fuck decided he didn't need it? There was no company policy to this effect. Dad snarls at them, 5 minutes later computer has Internet access. The IT department there was very tyrannical. They made rules all of their own and it just never really occurred anyone to yank on their chain.

    Remember, and I say this as someone who works in IT: IT is a service industry. You are there to help people get their jobs done. That means not putting up artificial blocks to shit. That doesn't mean no blocks at all, you have to do things for security, compliance, and so on. However it does mean not being asshats and doing things like offering nothing but extremely locked down web access.

    Also any time you say no to something, you need to have an alternative. So you say "No, you can't have an FTP server. The passwords are clear text and that is insecure. However we will happily help you setup an SFTP (SSH) server instead which is fully secure."

    At any rate step one is to find out from where this policy comes, then you can see if anything can be done about it.

    1. Re:Depends on what university by kiwimate · · Score: 1

      IT is a service industry. You are there to help people get their jobs done

      Agreed. What is the first job of IT in a university? To ensure the network stays up, is reliable, and is stable so that students can do their work. It takes just one jackass who has an overinflated opinion of his own abilities and too much access to screw up hundreds or thousands of machines and prevent the students from doing their work.

      The flipside is that if a story were to appear on Slashdot about a large university whose network went down for several hours or days because of something accidental or malicious done by a student, people would be falling over themselves to gripe about the incompetence of the network admins.

      And most of the people commenting on this story have likely never administered a network as big and diverse as the network installed in a typical university.

    2. Re:Depends on what university by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Of course you have to know who it is IT works for. They inevitably do not work for the students. They work for the administration, and the administration works for who pays the bills. The bills are paid for by the state, rich alumni, the NSF, profs who bring in grants, and the actual people who pay the tuition (usually not the individual students but their parents). IT at either a university or a teaching college are not there to provide an ISP service.

      Now granted the college may be behind the times and may dwindle if faculty and students go elsewhere, but it is actually their network and they have the right to control it. And as it reads it's not just a case of denying internet access, but filtering out content that they feel is inappropriate to their educational mission. It's just a firewall, same as you get in many corporate environments in the post-university real world. It does not sound like the students can't get their work done because educational resources are blocked, but that their extra-curricular play time is disrupted.

      If there is a legitimate need to access these sites, then the solution has always been there: talk to the faculty and IT.

    3. Re:Depends on what university by somebody1 · · Score: 1

      The flipside is that if a story were to appear on Slashdot about a large university whose network went down for several hours or days because of something accidental or malicious done by a student, people would be falling over themselves to gripe about the incompetence of the network admins.

      That's because they *would* be incompetent in this case. If a student brought the network down by simply using the connection then something is wrong with the network. My university does not censor anything and there have been no major outages that I know of. They don't block outgoing traffic and on the wireless you even get a public IP address with both incoming and outgoing traffic allowed and yet the network manages to stay up somehow. Of course the network is set up competently, i.e. students' connections are isolated as much as possible, so even if a student's machine is compromised (which happens a lot I imagine) it is no worse for the others than any of the millions of compromised machines on the Internet. Also, there are some (negotiable) caps to prevent bandwidth wasting.

      And even if the network is not properly set up, how is censoring open-source communities' websites such as hackaday going to help it anyway?

  48. We have a common saying in Australia for this... by Joshua.Niland · · Score: 2

    HARDEN THE FUCK UP!

  49. Academic Freedom by mattsday · · Score: 1
    Universities should be havens for academic freedom and research, not a narrow corridor where IT can arbitrarily set policy.

    Fortunately most universities I know (at least in the UK) respect this. They might hate having to deal with student residences (the wild west), but they prefer to generally treat students as adults and respect that the internet is far too useful as a tool to have some guy lock it down in the misguided name of security.

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  50. Re:The OP isn't asking your opinion about IT polic by ledow · · Score: 1

    Asking a stupid question will get you stupid answers.

    "How can I bypass my University's IT policy against their wishes" isn't a question that requires an answer. It's like asking "How do I deploy an open telnetd running as root on the Internet?" or "How do I bypass the fact that my ISP allow me to put my unauthenticated Windows fileshares online?"

    When you're doing something stupid, don't expect people to help directly. You think that telling someone they're doing it wrong isn't helping. It is. It helps them learn that they shouldn't NEED the answer to their question.

    If someone phones up a garage and asks how they can wire the metal door-handles directly to the battery, or how they can illuminate the petrol tank with an uncovered candle, you'd expect them to be similarly unhelpful. Because it's a stupid thing to do, and if you want to do that, you're on your own. Our "help" is to tell you not to try.

  51. Re:Just use 3G by ledow · · Score: 1

    No more than they can opt of out paying for a lecturer they don't get on with, or a worksheet they didn't want, or a projector they didn't want to use in the lecture hall, or a piece of grass on the university grounds, or the rubbish collectors hired by the uni or any one of a million and one costs.

    You bought into the uni, they had clear policies on what was and was not provided. Your problem. Sure, a uni that had an "open" policy might be more popular, but probably more expensive - but that's the choice you made when you signed up to that university.

  52. I have a better answer. by Lumpy · · Score: 2

    Get friends to start buying old linksys routers and create your own rouge wireless internet campus wide. Get people to donate to pay for hardware and a few cable modems at the perimiter so your mesh network can have multiple internet gateways to balance the load.

    Old routers and openWRT will do this, then start putting them up.

    you are in college, it's time to be subversive and community building. a non uni owned student run wireless internet setup is the best way to do this.

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  53. HTTP Tunneling by eggstasy · · Score: 1

    Unless they have a default-deny that only authorizes certain websites, you can set up an HTTP tunnel.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_tunnel
    There's software available for it, you don't need to be a fancy hacker to use this.

    In extreme cases, you might be able to work around default-deny HTTP filters by using DNS tunneling. It's horribly, horribly slow, but it works on some of those hotel connections where you would normally be able to access only one webpage, where you have to pay a fee to get X hours of connectivity.
    Here's an illustrated tutorial: http://analogbit.com/tcp-over-dns_howto

    Have fun!

  54. Re:My ass by dan2550 · · Score: 1

    It's the principal of the matter. If your service is based on the premise of anonymity you shouldn't fold to the cops unless required by law. Even then you shouldn't record any data of substance that can be used to prosecute customers.

  55. Evading it might get you expelled by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

    You might want to check your University's Network AUP and make sure you won't get expelled for wanton evasion of their security policies.

    Best bet is probably to get your own cellular modem, or move off campus where you can get your own DSL/Cable/Fiber. It's their network, and you should abide by their rules even if you don't like them.

  56. Occupy by biodata · · Score: 2

    When I was at University the way to get things changed was to get a group of people who were interested enough, and then go and occupy something inconvenient to the administration to get the message heard.

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  57. Multiple IPs and Ports by garnkelflax · · Score: 1

    I run into this with clients occasionally. I don't do onsite development work unless I am able to bring my own dev laptop and screens and other equipment including a hardware firewall between their network and my machine. And I don't use their email servers. I've been fortunate that it hasn't been rejected so far. Some clients only allow http/https access going out. I set up my dedicated server with multiple IP addresses for ports 80 and 443 that reroutes for pop/smtp, terminal services, etc... I ask the client first and show them my routing setup. Usually their policies are in place for non IT people and they just don't have different network policies for various departments.

  58. Re:The OP isn't asking your opinion about IT polic by rta · · Score: 1

    Well... i'd say the solution is not a technology one (though many of those are available and many have been mentioned).

    The best solution would be to transfer to a real school, because if they have as restrictive of a policy as OP suggests they're probably a crappy school anyway.

    An easier one would be to just use a phone or get DSL or cable or something to get to the blocked sites.

  59. What would I do to get better access? by msobkow · · Score: 1

    Pay for it.

    Those students with the 3G and 4G dongles that you're laughing at have the right idea.

    Internet access is not a "right", bub. It's a service you PAY for.

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  60. From an IT Admin by perotbot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've been the internet cop is several organizations during my employment history and have seen administrators (not IT people) declare everything from "ALL shall be free!" to "Don't let them do anything more than their job" as a standard to use for filtering. Most likely what is happening is that someone, not in IT, has the list of "categories" from the filter service provider, be it Dan's Guardian or a big company like Websense, and have picked the usual suspects of Adult, Security, Malware, and Offensive, along with Hate Speech, Violence, and IT related" and flipped the filter on. The University Administration will ask you one question and one question only, "What part of your EDUCATION" is being effected by this? AND remember these people have fairly well tuned BS detectors. This isn't your parents' basement, they have the right to do what they will to reduce costs (your tuition) by protecting their network and reducing bandwidth use. If you don't like the on campus connection then move off campus and PAY for your own net connection where you can surf to your heart's content and waste your parents' money on reading hackaday instead of getting the Business Degree your parents are paying for by working overtime. And if you want REALLY draconian, they know eveery website you attempt to go to, whether it's blocked or not, and with the newest tech, they are doing a man in the middle on all SSL traffic so they know what you are doing there as well.

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  61. Sounds a Bit Draconian To Me... by Volvogga · · Score: 1

    I'm assuming you live in on campus housing with the internet connection being provided by the university and pretty much mandatory. I think the old 'vote with your wallet' applies here... don't pay the huge fees for living on campus and find an apartment near by (check the bus routes if you don't have a car, and see if the buses give student discounts). Then you can have whatever internet connection you want. Do it soon, as this time of year, in my experience, is when spots start filling up. Doesn't mean you will have to move immediately, as many landlords near college campuses know students have to complete one housing assignment first, then move. They are usually just happy to have a guarantee of a rent check coming in. If you don't want to stay over the summer, then you may have to work out a deal where you pay half-rent during the summer to reserve the spot or something. Check your options. Find some roommates. See what they are willing to do.

    In the meantime, do as others have suggested and see if SSH tunneling and such is blocked. If it is, see about getting it unblocked. You could use the excuse of having to log into a server you own for non-school related projects. Employers like to see personal projects during interviews, and not stuff you were forced to do for class, so blocking that is hurting your chances for future employment. Doesn't matter if you are or are not as that point stands quite well.

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  62. Facts are probably missing by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

    I'd question "anonymous reader's" facts. It's difficult to believe such a restrictive setup would ever exist as a general, university-wide policy. It's much more likely that the "anonymous poster" failed to set up an IT required _proxy_ service, which is a quite common practice. It's also possible that the firewall is for a smaller, restricted part of the network, such as those handling confidential data. Well managed proxies in these environments can help manage network abuse, help prevent or control malware, and restrict potentially network expensive access to porn, P2P services, or to track use of university funded resources, and help manage unregistered clients plugged into the university's networks, especially those using poorly secured wi-fi access points.

    I've also regularly seen people refuse to use the proxies who see them as limitations of their rights, and especially as interfering with their use of "their" computers, whether the university or company paid for them or not. This can usually be resolved with a short discussion with the person, explaining why the proxies have proven necessary. It cannot be resolved by giving Slashdot advice about how to work around the firewalls or proxies, because that creates a whole new set of potential problems.

  63. I'm not recommending this... by tiniebras · · Score: 1

    When I was at Uni over a decade ago now, the firewall rankled with me (I'm a grown up...let me choose! ;) so being somewhat childish I attached a hardware keylogger and reported a computer fault (I think i cleared the isntalled printers and said the "PC won't print"). Anyhoo, next time I cam back to the lab I had me an admin login. This didn't allow me to access the net through my user, but interstingly the admin account seemed to have pretty much unfettered access to the web. I was too scared to use it, but had I needed soemthing in an emergency...it was there ;)

  64. Typical Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You get the usual self-important IT heads here defending their own little network. It's a freaking geeks circle-jerk. The purpose of the IT department is not to run a nice little network, it's to provide service to the users. You don't get to decide what that service is, you just provide it. The number of little napoleons of network admin around here are amazing - "It's my bandwidth, not yours!" "That's not for your degree". Sorry IT gimps, you don't get to decide what's legitimate for me to look up on my university network. You're the plumbers and janitors of the network, you don't get to decide what goes down the lines, you just get to make them work. So stop imposing your own rules on everyone else and just make the system work.

  65. Haven't actually read the thread... by f3rret · · Score: 1

    ...But couldn't you technically get through the firewalls and proxies via a VPN tunnel?

    And if the university blocks the standard VPN ports, use non-standard port.

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  66. Probably-redundant answer by Kalzus · · Score: 1

    Move off campus.

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  67. Ask the network admin very nicely to open a few... by nhat11 · · Score: 1

    ports and a reason why. Other than that there's no real way of doing it except a few ways.

  68. Re:Honestly I think you might have this all wrong. by buglista · · Score: 1

    The world is full of graduates who passed their courses. I want to see something else if I'm hiring, like working on open source projects, writing original papers, etc. This is the sort of attitude I expect from school up to the age of 18, not a university. (And yes, I used to decide filtering policy at a university, though not a US one. Is it better to block Internet banking sites and lose an hour of someone's time to get into town and back, or take the hit and have them only unavailable for 10 minutes?)

  69. Re:Grow Up by FictionPimp · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That's all fun and games to think that way. Until other people who are paying for that access bitch. Before we filtered content, we would get almost daily complaints from students about people watching porn in the library, or at a kiosk, or the guy who sat in our public area running a business (not a student, but he did pay for a gym membership so he is a paying customer....).

    We would never have enough information to find and catch these people, so we would have to run around with our little "acceptable use policy" trying to find them and get them to sign it. Then hope that if they did it again, we would get enough notice to find them again and get them to sign it... again(you know the administration isn't going to expel a student over it...).

    Then one day a big shot had his kid with him and she saw a student watching some really bad porn. Now we have content filters. (At least that's the story I'm told when I was told to implement the filters). The best part was that big shot thought we always had the filters. They were really mad that IT didn't take it on ourselves to filter content.

  70. While you are at it by Monoman · · Score: 1

    Go complain that the school library doesn't let you access everything that has ever been printed (books, mags, etc) ... in every country, in every language. After all it is your money and your academic freedom.

    Let us know how that works out for you.

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  71. Re:Honestly I think you might have this all wrong. by dcollins · · Score: 1

    "If you can go to your course lecturers and justify why you need access to Hackaday to complete your course, I am sure your lecturers have a process to unblock the sites."

    I'll bet that you're wrong. In my experience, college IT departments are run separately from teaching staff, and usually from the stance of "we'll tell you how things work" rather than vice-versa. Moreover, this policy is so wildly nonstandard that it smacks of a tyrannical banana-republic college IT department.

    Remember: Schools have an administrator side and a teaching side; the two sides are usually in direct conflict; and for the last 20+ years the teachers have always been losing.

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  72. Universities are not for-profit corporations by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 2

    Universities exist to educate students, and I would say that the idea of a university censoring anything, including what websites its students can access, is antithetical to that -- and it should be unthinkable. If malware is a concern, just disconnect infected systems from the network and refuse to assign them IP addresses until the issue is resolved.

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  73. TOS/AUP by deathlyslow · · Score: 1

    The restrictions applied to the web are draconian, with sites such as hackaday, hypberbole and a half, somethingawful, etc being blocked."

    Did you read and understand the TOS/AUP before you signed on the dotted line, proverbially or literally? If you NEED access to sites with such questionable material that they are blocked, why not request access and specify why you need it? That's what's going to happen in the real world after you get a real job. Everything or at least most everything will need to go through multiple layers of bureaucracy to get access to products, tools, or sites. At each level there is always some sort of needs/benefits test done. As I see it the majority of students, the ones fresh out of High School at least, expect everything to be given to them with no limits or stipulations. It doesn't work that way in the corporate working world, so why should it be that way in the corporately ran education world either. I think higher ed should not be just book knowledge, but also to prepare the students for it's going to be like fro the rest of their working lives.

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  74. Not Common by dcollins · · Score: 1

    "I was wondering if this is common..."

    In my experience, this is not at all common in universities. (It's the first time I've heard of anything so draconian; contrast this with the corporatists who are accustomed to it being the case in private businesses). Consider calling it an issue of "academic freedom" -- usually that's supposed to be a third-rail issue wherever I've taught.

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    1. Re:Not Common by dcollins · · Score: 1

      Well said, good luck to you!

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  75. Re:A comment from the Submitter by Monoman · · Score: 1

    The academic side of the university should put in a request for their own network, internet connection, and whatever else is needed. This should be done in a professional manner, covering all the necessary costs and justifications. If done properly it should bring the issue to the attention of those that can do something about it.

    If the the request gets shut down and the access on the current network remains blocked then you are free to exercise your own options. Mine would be to switch schools.

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  76. Push for academic freedom by labradort · · Score: 1

    I work in IT at a Canadian University. In our case, there is no requirement to go through a proxy server. It isn't necessary, although it is a strong solution to prevent running of web sites and bots on student, staff and faculty desktops.

    In University, faculty have clout. Talk to them. Get an informed opinion together and make a dialogue happen between faculty and IT services. This will likely help, and if it doesn't right away, faculty can push their issue with the senior administration to get things changed, whether that is change of policy or change of the person serving as IT Director/CIO.

    Of course the other option, if you are discovering this in your first year, is to switch to a campus with better IT management.

    The relationship between the student and the University is much like customer/client combined with hotel guest if they live on campus. The student should be treated like a customer, and pleased whenever possible. However they cannot expect to go beyond being a guest. A guest does not have the privileges of ownership. This is what rock stars have gotten confused when they trash their rooms. Just because you pay for something doesn't make you king of it. A guest remains at the pleasure of the host. If you break the rules of the host, you are not welcome to remain. Thus most IT departments have rules that if repeatedly broken, lead to loss of network access.

  77. OpenVPN by DNAGuy · · Score: 1

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenVPN

    Looks like normal SSL traffic to your IT department. Looks like the free and open internet to you. There are plenty of providers out there who will hook you up with a connection for $5-10/month, if you don't feel like setting up your own.

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  78. Apparently things have changed by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2

    In two ways:

    1) JFGI is the go to strategy for most things IT related. It is one of the first things I teach our students. Have a problem you don't know the solution to? See if someone else already solved it. Don't waste time reinventing the wheel, the solution may be out there. Even if not, someone may have done something related that will set you down the right path.

    2) Youtube is where we are now posting instructional videos. When there's something that students need to see over and over that doesn't change, like an introduction to lab equipment, I shoot video of it, edit it, and upload it to Youtube. Students can then watch it at the leisure, at home or on campus, rewatch it when needed, and other universities can make use of it, should they find the content useful. It is a valuable tool for reducing the time faculty spends on things as well as enhancing the education students receive.

    The Internet isn't just for LOLcats anymore. It is used for real work and education.

    Also, when you are talking the dorms, I feel (and we've been told here this is legally the case) that the university has an obligation to provide unfiltered access. It is your home, you do what you like. If they are unwilling or unable to do that, they ten need to open it up to competition: Let the phone and cable companies sell DSL and Cable Modem service. You can't go and declare yourself a monopoly and then also offer restricted service.

  79. Really? by labradort · · Score: 1

    In all Universities there is an "Inner Circle" formed by network admins, who are impervious to proxy filtering.

    The incantation to enter that select group is:

    "Hey, I'd like to help with the university network maintenance. Can I do it as a practice? I'll do it for free."

    This psalm recited to the right university demon will get you access to the University's network system. With luck, in 1 or 2 months you will have the relevant network keys/info. Probably you will have the rights to whitelist the pages you want.

    Then move out of there.

    This is a position of power and trust. It isn't given to volunteers. That would be like volunteering to look after the SWAT teams guns, or volunteering to clean the bank vaults. You must have watched a lot of Commando Cody or something as a kid.

    1. Re:Really? by kikito · · Score: 1

      That's why you need the magic words: "I'll do it for free". Otherwise the enchantment doesn't work.

    2. Re:Really? by labradort · · Score: 1

      That's why you need the magic words: "I'll do it for free". Otherwise the enchantment doesn't work.

      I wouldn't give over this power even if they paid to do it. Free means nothing when you are talking about power and control being lost. People are not as naive as they are in movies. You might be able to volunteer at a radio station or something, but not network and systems administration.

    3. Re:Really? by kikito · · Score: 1

      Of course a good systems manager would not accept help from a student. He's little incentive; he'll get paid the same no matter what. And now he has to manage the machines AND teach something to a student.

      That is why I also said "to the right University demon".

      The trick is not talking to them, but to find someone managing money, not very tech-savy, and willing to make merits. One for who "radio" and "wifi" are very similar. You have to make them take you to the network guy and tell him "this student will be helping you from now on". Then they can go to their bosses and say "I got a new network guy FOR FREE! Ain't I awesome".

  80. That would be what I'd most recommend by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    However people are often loathe to switch universities.

    Parent is right though, lots of universities don't do this. We have no web filter, at all, where I work. Not only are they expensive, but they are ineffective. It would surely block shit that was legitimately needed for research, and fail to block things it should. Better to just do without.

    You can find universities, plenty of them, that will not fuck with your net access. Now they'll all have AUPs and the like. You get caught doing illegal shit you can get in trouble, and if you try and suck up more than your fair share of bandwidth you'll get snarled at (or they'll be rate limits to just keep it form happening). However they won't restrict where you can go, or what protocols you can use.

    Look at state schools, and particularly research schools (where I work, both are true). State schools, being a public entity, have a duty to provide the public access, including students. Research universities understand that arbitrarily banning shit interferes with research and thus is stupid.

  81. Re:Internet access by aaron552 · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure how prevalent this is, but I'm Australian and my University's internet access is really not bad, most of the time. Things that I've run into that don't seem to work:

    • File hosting websites (Rapidshare, mediafire, etc.)
    • SSH (even on port 443)
    • Incoming connections (all PCs on the network have public IP addresses)
    • Skype is extremely unreliable (probably due to the above)
    • Bittorrent

    Apart from these, most things seems to work fine (inlcuding VPNs, so the list is largely irrelevant). ITS only seem to take notice if you transfer multiple gigabytes (>~2GB) within a day without a good reason, and send a warning before taking any further action.

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  82. My Experience at College by Daisako · · Score: 1

    At my college we started with no controlled Internet for the most part. During my third year in college they implemented a filter that did similar to what the poster's college is doing. Our solution was to spread the word. Our college was primarily funded by donors and one of our strategies was to contact the donors and past alumni to get them to cancel their funds until the issue is resolved. That took care of the problem awfully quickly. The strategy is go for their wallets. We also had that crappy CleanAccess program by Cisco and bandwidth limiting; those two didn't get fixed until the guy in charge was fired.

  83. Re:LOL by allo · · Score: 1

    > port 25/tcp
    first thing i would filter as a network admin building a restrictive firewall. just think about all the spambots on student's pcs

  84. Re:The OP isn't asking your opinion about IT polic by knorthern+knight · · Score: 1

    > He's asking what options are available for getting around a problem he has.

    There have been a couple of legitimate suggestions, if you've been reading...
    1) Get their own internet
    2) Present a reasonable sane argument to the university administration which probably gives the IT department their marching orders.

    > The topic wasn't started to debate whether it was a good or bad policy; whether
    > the IT department here was doing their job well; whether they were just crazy
    > with power. Nor was it a pity plea; they don't want your derision.

    If you're going with option #2 above, then you damn well have to take the real world into consideration
    * know what real-world problems IT is facing
    * be capable of marshalling facts on your side
    That was why all the explanations of what's happening.

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  85. Re:Honestly I think you might have this all wrong. by awjr · · Score: 1

    I do find that the idea that giving unlimited internet access to a bunch of hormonally challenged students to be a one-way ticket to malware hell. It would be remiss of the IT department not to operate a white listing approach to their internet with a process in place for having a site added to the list.

  86. web access != internet access by Spazmania · · Score: 1

    This is the 21st century. Internet access, not web access, is as much a life requirement as a telephone.

    Errors in a university's behavior tend to be reflected in the reputation of its degree. An error as outrageous as what you describe is very unlikely to be the only one. Flawed decisions will have been made in every other aspect of university administration. The breadth of those errors is likely to impact the value of any piece of paper you leave there with. If you don't want to waste your time, find a better university and transfer

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  87. Watch those URL names... [Re:get over it] by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 1

    * we chose a file name that matches some regular expression deemed dangerous by their IT staff ... (Yes sir, gamesexpert.com is not a sex site!)

    Yep! I remember when the firewall used to block the old JPL Mars exploration website, marsexploration.jpl.nasa.gov. Notice those three letters in the middle of the word "marsexploration." --JPL eventually renamed the site.

    And don't even try to access the old physics preprint site, xxxlanl, any site beginning with those letters just has to be pr0n. (that one got renamed, too)

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  88. transferring is so bad states have law forcing by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    transferring is so bad states have law forcing them to take community colleges credits.

    But over all that is a sing that the collage system needs change / reworking.

    I say brake it up in to smaller chunks / badges

    http://news.slashdot.org/story/12/01/08/221257/do-online-educational-badges-threaten-conventional-education-models

    http://chronicle.com/article/Badges-Earned-Online-Pose/130241/

    1. Re:transferring is so bad states have law forcing by VGPowerlord · · Score: 1

      badges =/= batches

      While the others are indeed wrong, if you'd read the linked article (or even the link text), you'd know that badges was correct, since it was linking to the article "Do Online Educational Badges Threaten Conventional Education Models?"

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    2. Re:transferring is so bad states have law forcing by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      transferring rules are so bad that states have law forcing them to take community college credits.

      But over all that is a sign that the college system needs change / reworking.

      I say break it up in to smaller chunks / badges that better fit the pace that newer tech comes out, non-matriculated students and part time students.

      http://news.slashdot.org/story/12/01/08/221257/do-online-educational-badges-threaten-conventional-education-models [slashdot.org]

      http://chronicle.com/article/Badges-Earned-Online-Pose/130241/ [chronicle.com]

    3. Re:transferring is so bad states have law forcing by khellendros1984 · · Score: 1

      Transferring is so bad that states have laws forcing them to take community college credits.
      But over all, that is a sign that the college system needs change / reworking.
      I say break it up into smaller chunk / badges.

      Right, then we can have a system of unrelated "certifications" in different aspects of various degrees and we could make it even harder to figure out what parts are equivalent! No, I think the answer is to standardize curriculums between different schools and require that they each accepts credit for the standardized courses.

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  89. Want better access? by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 1

    Pay for your own access.

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  90. Re:The OP isn't asking your opinion about IT polic by Sylak · · Score: 1

    was wondering if this is common, and if anyone has any suggestions on how to go about protesting the issue. I've spoken to the lecturers and they have the same frustrations I do.

    No, I'm PRETTY sure he's asking about ways of protesting and getting this fixed, not about circumventing blocks in place...

  91. Find a better university. by goodmanj · · Score: 1

    Find a better university.

    The core idea of academia is the free flow of information. A university that cannot solve problems without discarding its principles has nothing useful to teach you.

    Make sure you tell 'em why you're leaving.

  92. Re:It's their band... no, tail wagging the dog by neurocutie · · Score: 1
    correct, IT subserves the university, student, faculty and staff, not the reverse. We have exactly the same nonsense at our univ., with the added observation that while all other depts are in budgetary and hiring freeze, the IT dept manages to grow and grow to be the largest most expensive single entity on campus, with the power to control everyones professional life.

    It is definitely the tail wagging the dog here, but if I go directly to the CIO, with the support of the dean and president, thinsg do get done, and graciously so... so the dog still can be the wagger if it so chooses to.

  93. OpenVPN by ulzeraj · · Score: 1

    Seriously. OpenVPN can even breach HTTP proxies. You can also make the server to listen on any port that they allow direct communication. It operates on both TCP and UDP.

  94. Re:Honestly I think you might have this all wrong. by dcollins · · Score: 1

    It would be pretty much the death of higher education in America if what you say was implemented.

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  95. Ports by progwml6 · · Score: 1

    Most IT people are to lazy to filter port 443(https) You might be able to use a proxy there. Some also don't block ports. You can use putty to generate a ssh proxy. If all else fails, put a ssh server on port 80 or 443 and use the putty method. I do this all the time, in schools, and public buildings.

  96. When writing about alternative education models... by number6x · · Score: 1

    transferring is so bad states have law forcing them to take community colleges credits.

    If States thought it was bad to transfer, they would pass laws to discourage transfering college credits. If they are passing laws that require college credits to transfer, they must believe it is a good thing to transfer. The lawmakers seem to want to encourage it. Or did you mean 'BAD' as 'GOOD' like: 'That is one BAD A** M***** F***** transfering all those college credits from their community college'?

    But over all that is a sing that the collage system needs change / reworking.

    Does this statement have to do with art school? I'm not sure what singing and collages have to do with the topic.

    I say brake it up in to smaller chunks / badges

    Just call quizes 'chunks'. Then call tests 'badges'. Finally call semesters or quarters or trimesters 'patches' and you have implemented the new educational model. Baden Powell would be proud.

  97. Use 3/4G, Really. by RoutingGeek · · Score: 1

    You might think you are invisible, but in all reality, they're probably logging your every move. Trust me, much more than you can imagine can be logged/captured. I manage web filtersingfor a large corporate environment. In the bigger shops, it's not the IT guy that makes the decision on this stuff. It's the legal counsil, HR, and CSO (cheif security officer). Even though I have all the knowledge to bypass it, I surf with caution while on the job. Changes are logged, multiple systems log traffic, so anything questionable will used against you if a legitimate reason is found. By the way, setting up an SSH listener on 443 might not work. The really good filters have caught up on this practice and will still stop it if properly configured (for example, Palo Alto boxes!).

  98. Don't Violate the Agreement by farnsaw · · Score: 1

    Be aware you that are most probably bound by a usage agreement you signed when you entered university. If you violate this agreement, the University in question may a) suspend/expel you b) refuse to graduate you c) other retribution. Your choices are a) get another provider (3G/4G dongle) b) convince the university to change it's policy c) Live with it d) Leave the university (and presumably attend another with less draconian policies) e) start up your own company / provider to allow yourself and your fellow students access to unfiltered internet.

    Note that his applies to work networks as well as more and more companies are locking things down tightly.

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  99. Doubt it by TheCarp · · Score: 1

    I can't speak for the whole community of universities, nor have I worked at one in a few years. That said, I think there are cultural issues here. WHen I worked at a University, we even debated whether someone would have a legitimate reason to receive email viruses.

    At the place I worked, there was NO firewall. Well..there was, but, it was opt in, only specific critical hosts were behind it. Users were not, the main service machines were not.

    It was seen as a matter of intellectual freedom and not wanting to restrict anything that might be legitimate research. However, as I started with...its cultural. We had people in IT who were long time academics and who were used to this and even championed it.

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  100. Open by lymond01 · · Score: 1

    Someone needs to take your IT Director by the ear and explain to him the differences between a corporation and a university.

    1) University folks generally get paid less than their corporate counterparts
    2) Basic research occurs on all levels, not just in the lab. Innovation in the network, software development, etc. happens and is expected to happen with the staff as well as faculty. It's a learning environment. It's a try-this environment.
    3) A university's most basic tenet is access to information and that goes both ways. By inhibiting what is likely the largest fountain of information and means of transferring that information, it's a little insane. Tell your IT guy to work on better security techniques: locking your kid in the closet may keep him safe but it's not a good idea.

  101. Re:Just use 3G by jonwil · · Score: 1

    Do what they did at the place I went to (at least in the computer labs) and give students a quota.

    So data transfer to things on the local network (such as the sites containing lecture recordings/notes) is unmetered as is traffic to those sites the university deems important for legit academic work but if you want to access other sites, you have to pay for it after you use up your monthly allotment.

    Need more quota? Log into the top-up page and buy more.

    To prevent people tying up machines in the labs that might be needed for important work, you can have different restrictions on what can be accessed by students in the labs vs what can be accessed by students with a personal PC in the dorm room or connected to the campus WiFi.

    Of course the quota idea doesn't help for things that are blocked for reasons other than bandwidth such as things that are blocked because they contain things that could get the university in trouble or things that are blocked because they contain things that go against the teachings or belief systems of the university (religious universities are probably likely to do this in the name of blocking "heretical" content)

  102. More to it than that... by zooblethorpe · · Score: 3

    Besides, why should the tutors care? - If people waste the lessons updating Facebook instead of getting smart, they'll simply fail and thus have wasted their tuition. I hope Facebook was worth it, but the tutors shouldn't care less if the students are that stupid.

    Because most teachers go into teaching to get students to learn? Because a lot of institutions tie student performance into their evaluations? Because students that aren't paying attention are more likely to distract their neighbors? etc etc...

    Because teachers with no classroom management skills can't handle potential distractions? Because intro classes are too big for anyone to manage? Because a lot of institutions incorrectly apply industrial metrics to human dynamics?

    There are other concerns about unfettered Internet access in the classroom that go beyond the ideals you mention. My wife has had unfettered internet access in her classrooms for seven years now, in three different schools, and has had very few problems and none recurring. Granted, she's at the middle-school / high-school level instead of university, but plenty of her students have had laptops and smartphones in class. The keys are 1) having small enough class sizes that you can manage them effectively, and 2) having the classroom management skills to get in front of any potential issues and making sure the kids are paying attention to you instead of Lady Gaga. She's found that classes upwards of about 28 students really start to spiral downwards.

    As such, the many intro uni courses with 100+ students can't possibly work, unless the students themselves are invested in their own learning. That said, cutting off internet access is no guarantee that otherwise distracted students will suddenly find themselves raptly attending the teacher's words.

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    1. Re:More to it than that... by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

      As such, the many intro uni courses with 100+ students can't possibly work, unless the students themselves are invested in their own learning. That said, cutting off internet access is no guarantee that otherwise distracted students will suddenly find themselves raptly attending the teacher's words.

      I agree:
      "This is boring... Well, damn, all the sites I want to distract myself with are blocked. Guess I'll just watch a video, fire up World of Goo, or maybe one of the thousands of other games I have available in my general purpose computer."

      If the student is determined to be distracted, then who cares? As long as it's not disrupting anyone else, who gives a damn? K-12, I can understand, but for Colleges? Seriously? If I pay for a meal at a restaurant and play games on my phone until the food's cold then leave without eating a bite: It's wasteful, and I'm still hungry, but who really cares? That's My Fault. It's Foolish to assume that the actions of others somehow reflect how good a professor is. The problem is in the recruitment office, not the lecture hall.

      "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink."

      "If you outlaw the Internet, then only outlaws will have the Internet."

      People consider censorship harmful and route around it with technology.

      You can not control the actions of others, you can only control your reaction to their actions. I think the Uni staff need re-education in the basic fundamental facts of existence. What the hell is so hard to understand?

  103. Restrictive Firewalls by wolfguru · · Score: 1

    The university network is there for a specific purpose - to provide the university with access to the sites and communications necessary to the function of the university, and to maintain the integrity and reliability of those connections. If you want to access things outside what the university defines as necessary to this function, you are welcome to do so, apparently, through the use of external connections. If you want free access to any pron site that strikes your fancy, you're asking for something that doesn't apply to the university's needs, and if it is not available to you through their network, it is a simple decision. buy it yourself, or whine much harder. As for the people telling you that the IT staff needs to be educated as to how to serve the student's needs, they need a lesson in exactly how much work is involved in cleaning up after the students that go blindly into the web trusting that they won't face any consequences, and the costs of providing an infrastructure that can support the campus without assuming the responsibility for every student's irresponsibility. If you have email, access to your university coursework, resources and search tools in a secure and dependable environment, the IT staff is doing their job admirably. If you want unrestricted access to anything on the net, regardless of its provenance, to download any movie or streaming video, pron or game site, tell mommy and daddy that you need the money to buy a 4G data device and pay for the bandwith/content you want.

  104. Re:Well... by Cederic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Or, possibly, treat the students like students. You know, intelligent inquisitive drunks that want to explore new things, test boundaries, flirt with the law and read somethingawful.com

    I really struggle to see why any university student network should be censored. Sure, firewall and lock down the staff network, where student data is held. Provide strong security on shared servers. But locking down all 'net access to filtered HTTP? That's a surefire way to damage innovation and discourage learning.

    I went to a university that had no firewalls - you could telnet to the main servers from external servers, and we used that capability to build and maintain internet services. Many people at my uni went on to build companies in the dotcom boom, take on programming jobs, otherwise put their acquired skills and knowledge to use. I would heavily discourage anybody from attending a university that didn't want the same for its students.

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  106. Make it a PR Nightmare by sohmc · · Score: 1

    A lot of post have dealt with the technical aspects of overcoming the firewall. While this may help in the short term, it doesn't help your friends or future students. If you're willing, you may want to consider taking this up with provost/president/ombudsman/et al.

    The easiest place to start is a local editorial. Your campus newspaper, local newspaper, local TV news. Tying your campus as against net neutrality should get enough people to pay attention.

    Next, consider famous alumni. There was a policy that was in the process of becoming a rule at the university when I was a student. When I graduated, I told them that I wouldn't pay alumni dues until this policy was scrapped. Of course, one alumni not paying dues is not really an issue. But when I started posting on the alumni message boards about the issue and more alumni got involved (some far more famous than me), the school quickly reversed the policy. Money, unfortunately, speaks louder than words.

    Another avenue is to speak at school board meetings. These meetings are often public but not well advertised. You may have to do some hunting to get this information.

    Finally, form a campus group. Get students involved. Raise awareness, have a fun run, etc.

    You want to make the cost to maintain the firewall unacceptably high. This might be a hard hurdle since they are probably weighing the cost to maintain the firewall and the cost of a free-for-all internet connection.

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  107. They don't need the internet for distractions.. by Vegan+Cyclist · · Score: 2

    If they have a laptop, there are games, etc.. The internet is likely no more or less a distraction in this case.

  108. Re:Grow Up by 4pins · · Score: 1

    When I went to college the residency halls had separate Internet access that they were not allowed to filter. This left the university free to protect the libraries and the labs while letting people do whatever they liked in the privacy of their own rooms. It worked surprisingly well!

    An option to present to the administration.

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  109. Re:Grow Up by FictionPimp · · Score: 1

    We don't filter the dorms at this time, just all wireless on campus, labs, and kiosks.

  110. Alternatives on Windows... by xded · · Score: 1

    Also you can use HTTPTunnel on any PHP enabled server (with almost no other requirements) and connect to it with the multiplatform Perl client to open a local SOCKS server (there are other projects named like this one, but this is the only one that really works). The client supports HTTP proxies and the request are normal HTTP GETs/PUTs (not CONNECTs). The project is not being updated since 2010, but it just works (even tho the SSL part has problems, but you can just configure the PHP folder on an HTTPS web server and use stunnel in front of the client).

    Then under Windows many programs do not support the SOCKS protocol to connect to the client (I'm looking at you, Remote Desktop), but you can just run ProxyCap to transparently redirect single programs (or all of them) through any proxy. There are free (as in beer, mostly) alternatives to ProxyCap, but they are either not updated (i.e., they don't work on 64-bit systems) or they are likely to deeply mess up the windows network driver configuration when you remove them (or both).

  111. A Few Ideas by nagalman · · Score: 1

    1. Change.org 2. Put pressure on the administration to change the censor policy: Get your fellow students and the faculty to sign a petition, then present the petition to the university of the president. Use social media to get the word out. Try to get an article in the local or national press. 3. Transfer to another university that does not block basic access to information, and write a letter to the president explaining why you are transferring and how you are going to encourage all of your fellow students to do the same.

  112. Re:A comment from the Submitter by Sylak · · Score: 1

    The fact that this seems to be an issue with professors as well as students (and one can assume you live on campus) means that something should be done about this, including but not limited to, resolutions from student and faculty government (assumg you do have an open and somewhat transparent student government) and petitions of appeal to trustees or even to other members of school administration. There is honestly no reason why so many of these services should be limited and blocked at the University level, especially when the blocked content borders on censorship.
    As for slashdotters, don't be surprised that they're not answering your question, because it's a common theme to either ridicule the asked from question misunderstanding, or tell them they're asking for something wrong. Anybody telling you to "suck it up because it's free" probably hasn't lived on-campus for a long time, (and did before the internet was standard) and doesn't see the social and general importance of unrestricted internet (except to malware, and occasionally pornography) on college Campuses, especially those who claim that YouTube never has educational value.

  113. Re:So what? by Sylak · · Score: 1

    But it's the assumption he lives on campus, and therefore, does not have the ability to distinguish between the two (especially since it specified "university" not "community college" or "local college")

  114. Re:Education vs Entertainment by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

    Seems like you need a little more education on how to do basic math and how to recognize things at face value.

    You mean I should be like you and make statistics up to suit my own agenda?

    Here's a fun fact: I played games instead of doing homework in high school. To this day I use the observations I made playing those games to do my work.

    You're confusing the terms 'education' and 'course work'.

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  115. Open Source Solution by bwall · · Score: 1

    You could always use something like fireBwall to write a module that avoids using the proxy. I use it often if a hotel WiFi uses ARP Poisoning to force you to register on their network. fireBwall lets you write modules that control your network flow. I know this is a shameless plug, but it really could help. http://firebwall.com/

  116. proxy by sylvandb · · Score: 1

    Proxy your traffic. If there is any connection thru the firewall to a system you control, you can proxy thru it. The tighter the firewall the more annoying and performance impact it will be, but it will work.

    Do they blacklist or whitelist? Blacklist means you have a good chance. With a whitelist, aka they lock it down so you can only connect to a few specific internet sites, you may be SOL.

    Some places firewall to protect from legal liability, "we have a firewall and we block that site/content but the offender bypassed our firewall." If you bypass the firewall, you take the blame and responsiblity squarely on yourself.

    Some places firewall to protect from problems caused by the clueless, so if you bypass the firewall, do try not to cause problems for other network users.

    Some places firewall because they themselves are clueless and/or frightened. Not much help for that, I'm afraid.

    Remember the correct pattern of thought... Think of the firewall as your ultimate university exam. Pass it. Quietly. This means you first need to learn about the subject -- networking, protocols, tunneling and firewalls in general, and your university firewall specifically. It will be very educational, and isn't that why you are in school?

    Enjoy learning.

  117. Re:Just use 3G by White+Flame · · Score: 1

    You have paid the uni, indirectly, to support your studies. If they are not supporting your studies, you can complain. But you can't complain that they aren't other personal Internet services to all X thousand students on their campus without paying the difference it would cost.

    As another poster brought up, you are not just there for education. You are a customer to their entire "student lifestyle experience", and this is typically supported by the uni's marketing materials. This is especially applicable to on-campus students, but all students are expected to have non-educational down time spent on-campus, too, with their tuition paying for access to the non-educational recreational and other entertainment facilities available. Universities spend millions of dollars on non-educational modifications (landscaping, common areas, fitness centers, etc) all the time; providing full internet access is not an illegitimate request.