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Linux 3.3 Released
diegocg writes "Linux 3.3 has been released. The changes include the merge of kernel code from the Android project. There is also support for a new architecture (TI C6X), much improved balancing and the ability to restripe between different RAID profiles in Btrfs, and several network improvements: a virtual switch implementation (Open vSwitch) designed for virtualization scenarios, a faster and more scalable alternative to the 'bonding' driver, a configurable limit to the transmission queue of the network devices to fight bufferbloat, a network priority control group and per-cgroup TCP buffer limits. There are also many small features and new drivers and fixes. Here's the full changelog."
Yea!
The Linux kernel guys show that constant steady frequent releases are the way forwards, note to GNOME and KDE guys, you got it wrong.
If I deploy a 3.3 guest on a host running 3.3, does it automatically become 3.3 repeating and go on forever?
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Wow, I had no idea there was work in porting Linux to DSP architectures. That's quite an interesting development. I wonder what the use case is, since DSPs are typically used for very specific, real-time work, not for hosting general-purpose operating systems.
Also, it's quite surprising to me since as far as I know it's necessary to use TI's compiler to generate C6X code. I found one initiative to port GCC to it, but afaik it didn't get finished. My understanding is that it is no small job to get Linux to compile on non-supported compilers, so I'm interested in the toolchain they are using. For my own work on a C6711, I've been using the TI compiler under Wine. (Which works fine actually, although I had to generate an initial project in CodeComposer to get some of the board-specific support files.)
Now how many of these features are out of beta and actually work?
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You don't have to wait for a distribution house to pick it up. Downloading and doing a kernel compile is easy.
Excuse me, but please get off my Pennisetum Clandestinum, eh!
I just rebooted to apply 3.2.11 :(
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It will be used for the Fedora 17 beta release currently scheduled for April 3rd.
A good file system with restripeable RAID is pretty nifty. Admittedly you won't use the feature often, but it's a nice alternative to backing up and restoring onto a new array.
Linux is a kernel, not an operating system.
Fanboism? Don't be a douchebag. This is a post about a new Linux release. The people who comment on this post should naturally be expected to be Linux users, probably fans. Just as a post about a new OS X release would naturally be populated with Apple fans. It's the people who purposefully comment on threads about products they DON'T like that create a problem. Then there are people like you who just enjoy acting like a dick. Give it a rest.
Arch Linux will probably support it in a few days. The packages have been marked outdated and there is already a 3.3rc7-1 ( https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=50893 )release in the wild that will probably be the basis for the updated to 3.3.
So you mean Solaris or FreeBSD then with ZFS I assume?
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You are an ass. -1 Troll
It does appear this means the possibility of running of an entire Android "system" and "apps" under a normal Linux desktop/laptop/tablet, but without emulation. Correct? If so, I can see that being a great thing.
Hey, you can get Unity or Gnome 3!
my own kernel, again. --sigh-- Or at least no more kernel patches until I get a change to review just how much cruft got shoved for Android Support. Fucking Google.
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I've been reading for a year about bufferbloat and all these tools designed to mitigate it but none of the explainations make sense to someone who isn't already a traffic control guru.
Can someone explain how, if I'm using a typical Linux system as a firewall between my LAN and a cable modem, I should reconfigure that system if I want to not experience bufferbloat?
I expect the major distros like Ubuntu or Mint will update to the new kernel as part of their usual schedule, right?
Hahaha, no. Ubuntu takes ages to update the kernel. And with good reason: it's an end-user's distro, it can't be bleeding edge. Try Arch if you want the newest kernel (keep in mind 3.3 is not yet on the official repository, but should be shortly).
It's the people who purposefully comment on threads about products they DON'T like that create a problem.
I wouldn't say it's a problem. They, like to the people who like it, are simply stating their opinions.
Gentoo and/or Arch
ZFS has no support for resizing or restriping it's RAID pools, or shrinking the storage units.
It's a giant missing feature on an otherwise excellent FS.
You're just jealous that it'll take at least a month after Windows 8 comes out before somebody creates a Metro-style UI for X.
Two to match the colors.
I cannot answer this question for any GNU/Linux distribution except for Slackware, which may or may not get Linux Kernel 3.3.xx as part of an official distribution for at least one Slackware release iteration ... But my personal Slackware machine will be getting 3.3 as soon as it finishes building and I reboot the machine. ;-)
It's nice to have a GNU/Linux distribution that doesn't jerk users around with strange application locations, misaligned library versions, or an update schedule tied to commercial support contracts. I've tried the rest, and I returned to the best (imho), since GNU/Linux kernel 0.96. Don't try dropping a new kernel source tar-ball onto RH Enterprise Server, Fedora, or even Ubunto -- it will break your system, and your $$$$ support agreement.
Any improvements to power management? It pains me that my laptop gets 4 hours battery life when in Windows 7 but only 2 hours when in Linux. In both cases it's just idle with nothing special running in the background. Or is this a problem with the distribution?
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You are right, but the OP of this thread is the one who started it w/ snide references to Windows. He could have kept it to a discussion of just Linux, and nobody from the Windows camp would have bothered.
Seriously, they do some good work. I'm excited to see if this fixes sleep on some of the more obscure devices and gives us better power management.
Back in the Middle Ages (late 1990s through about 2004) I remember us all getting excited for new kernel releases, and then all rushing to download the source and build it. (By 'us' i mean myself and local geek friends, as well as our cohorts on various IRC channels).
Nowadays with auto-configuring, rolling release desktop distributions being the norm, is kernel building now only done in server room environments and for non-PC hardware?
This doesn't matter much, I'm just curious.
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the android merge means i can play angry birds without having to use wine...
the various fixes means my decaying old netbook will still remain usable, and even appear snappy next to one half it's age.
I am a bit confused with regards to the new team network driver which is going to eventually replace the current bonding net driver. The kernel newbies page says that it is user-space and uses libteam to do its work, but it also says that this new implementation will be more efficient.
How is this so? As network throughput keeps increasing, it is important to process each packet as quickly as possible. That's why network drivers and the packet filter are in the kernel. Wouldn't moving the new team/bonding work to user-space mean a lot more data for the kernel to copy back and forth between kernel and user spaces? And wouldn't this hurt efficiency? I'm sure the computer can keep up in most cases, but it seems this will require more CPU time to handle the work.
Just curious...
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5.5 kernel...
This is either a typo or python is way more powerful than I thought.
So... which part of this release actually provides a compelling reason to use Linux over any other OS?
You've been itching for something to run on that TI C6X system you built?
The fanboisim here makes me gag. Apple has nothing on you guys.
Hey Cowboy did you know that the Linux Kernel currently runs most smart tvs, bd players, and other home entertainment devices. I would be willing to bet that the number of Samsung, Sony, LG and other tvs and devices running on the Linux kernel is much greater than the number of Macs, and PC currently in use combined!
The reason for this is that any manufacturer can use OpenSource software like the Linux kernel and modify it to their own needs without sending money to Redmond for every device they sell. This is why Microsoft and Apple have failed in the embedded market with perhaps the exception of some car companies like Ford Motors. Ballmer can rant, rave and do all the paid shill crap he wants. Fact is as the kernel becomes more open to modification from companies like Google with Android optimisations and slick coding Microsoft will become irrelevant in many markets.
The post was about the most important core software released in history so go pound on your PC, and post how linux sucks somewhere where someone cares. The Linux kernel is one hell of allot more that just the base of an OS as you perceive it.
>It's the people who purposefully comment on threads about products they DON'T like that create a problem.
So what are your thoughts on how Slashdot has used a broken window to represent Windows stories for at leats a decade?
And what are your thoughts about how until just a few months ago Slashdot used the borg-ified face of the world's largest philanthropist as an icon for Microsoft stories?
Are you (and all the people who gave your post karma) implying that Slashdot itself and all its editors are douchebags who create problems?
Because I would agree with that sentiment.
We already have dozens of tiling window managers, try again.
PHP 5.4 recently was released and it has a really cool new feature. So I did all the hard work of finding a ppa (ubuntu user thingy, stop me if I get to technical) and added it and upgraded. That was pretty hard core! Uber nerd!
Once, kernel features were desperately needed. Now? Meh, they are probably very nice but I can wait for others to test and add them. Everything just works so why risk breaking it?
MS has the same problem. XP and even more so Windows 7, just works. So how to sell Windows 8? And Linux ain't selling anything so why upgrade on my own when in a few months I can just run upgrade and have it all done for me?
Maybe I just gotten lazy. I would type more, but need a nap after so much hard key pressing. *Fluffs up cowboyneal for a pillow and cuddles up with his Linus blanky*
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
What version if KDE are you running? I've never had that problem.
"The hands that help are better far than lips that pray." - Robert Ingersoll (1833-1899)
My Debian installation. Only lamers need distro-kernels.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
That is the "Windows world" you are referring to. It is several decades behind Linux, as it incorporates the GUI into the kernel. Something nobody ever though was a good idea form the technology side, but needed by Microsoft so they can claim it is an integrated part in order to push the Internet Explorer.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
That's rubbish. I have a triple monitor setup and KDE will happily let me make a panel 100% of any one screen, or 100% of all three (if you wanted to do that for some insane reason) at any orientation.
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Why would anybody sane use Gnome or unity?
Hint to the Windows guys (they have never seen this after all): They are Window Managers, not in any way needed Linux components. In any sane OS design, you van use the GUI you like on top of the OS. Windows is one of those historical designs that force you to use a specific one, with all the massive drawbacks that architecture has.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Well, it just seems highly unlikely that it wouldn't work for anyone else. I mean, it's a pretty basic feature and if I can do it with my pretty unusual and normally troublesome setup (triple monitors are not that well supported, although KDE does a good job), then I'd expect it to work with most people's. My point is, if it doesn't work for you, then it's a bug, so submit a bug report.
-- Lattyware (www.lattyware.co.uk)
Right. Because if you wouldn't do it, it's useless.
the android merge means i can play angry birds without having to use wine...
Note that playing sober raises it to another level of difficulty.
Every end has half a stick.
Bullshit. Not only does a merge of Android kernel features not mean you can play angry birds under some regular Linux distro (you'll need, oh, Dalvik and Android's windowing system which is not X11), you can already play Angry Birds in Chrome, no Wine required. The kernel is entirely irrelevant. If you don't know what you're talking about, just shut up.
from __ future __ import linux-5.5 ?!
Don't try dropping a new kernel source tar-ball onto RH Enterprise Server, Fedora, or even Ubunto -- it will break your system
Where are the lists of additions/modifications that those distros make to the kernel ?
Non-Linux Penguins ?
Question - what is Android's Windowing system?
Can we AT LAST boot linux without using any boot loaders? I have a 2 year old UEFI laptop and I can't even figure out how to boot Ubuntu on it :(
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Ahh, that was a cleansing sneeze.
I'm guessing you don't know about SELinux? As in "written by the actual NSA"? Oh shit, it's been in the kernel for almost ten years! Go troll somewhere else.
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My point is, if it doesn't work for you, then it's a bug, so submit a bug report.
I see. It just sounded weird when you phrased it as "That's rubbish".
Then neither you are not working with web developers who change their mind daily about basic system design nor you are working in an environment where uptime is not a concern nor you have very expensive load balance boxen that protects you from mundane facts of life. Either way, you are a very lucky person... OTOH we, of lesser levels of humanity, are grateful for one more tool that would make our lives easier.
Or you could with 12 and 13 , not sure about current. A few irrelevant features stopped working but still ran happily.
OK, I admit to careless reactionary phrasing, but still, the point stands. The phrasing of the original post implied that KDE 'lacks the simplest functions' - which is untrue, hence the rubbish comment. The feature is there, and if it doesn't work for them, that's a bug, not lacking the feature itself.
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You can use the Backport repo of Debian, they have a fairly new version of kernel and some other software there. Though the last time I tried it fried my system (I was using nvidia binary blob back then)
There's valid criticism and then there's just being an asshole, they're very different.
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Fedora 17 pre-beta already is close: ~$ rpm -q kernel kernel-3.3.0-0.rc7.git0.3.fc17.x86_64
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On a number of Linux distributions, installing a vanilla (kernel.org) kernel source tar-ball isn't even possible. Either the kernel will fail to successfully build due to mismatched versioning of libraries or sometimes gcc itself. The underlying issues are not merely a vanilla kernel. For other Linux distributions, the directory structure itself doesn't match up to generally accepted standards. Often the user of a specific distribution must wait until the vendor's own series of patches (kernel, libraries, utilities, etcetera) are made available -- on the vendor's timetable, not the users.
I am not denigrating other GNU/Linux distributions -- there are plenty of reasons to stick with a particular distribution if you are comfortable with the timeliness of upgrades and the level of support from that distribution's user base. If the user pays for a support contract, deviation from the standard baseline can render your support contract null-and-void, or at least problematic.
I personally like to try brand new whiz-bang applications and utilities from the original development teams rather than relying upon a specific distribution vendor to make that application or utility available via their support structure. It's all a matter of your personal (or corporate) comfort level with risk. No one in a production environment would change a kernel, an application , or utility on a production machine without a graceful way to back out of those changes. This is not just a GNU/Linux platform issue, but applies to any OS and any application, and I have been involved in supporting a number of commercial unixes and "hobbyist" unix-like OSes. What I have discovered is that If you stick with, for instance Red Hat, you will learn Red Hat, but if you learn a distribution like Slackware you will learn unix -- that's what kept me gainfully employed.
According to my university lessons, the kernel and the drivers are the operating system, and everything else is shell and applications.
MS Windows should thus be considered a distribution (combining OS, shell and applications and an install mechanism).
And what constitutes an "asshole" is subjective. I don't see anything wrong with stating your opinion and doing nothing besides that, even if someone thinks it's harsh.
ES, TDIAF, AC! ---------- BTW, AC, I've been immersed in unix & unix-like OSes for 15 years and am no "slackware" snob. I was merely pointing out some issues that other slashdot readers might need to be aware of before trashing their OS.
Ubuntu has a ways to go before it is as polished & stable as HPUX, even and especially on a VME backplane, but it's a damn sight cheaper. Get over your hyper-sensitivity to fact-based criticism of your particular favorite brand of GNU/Linux -- none are perfect, even Slackware. Even IRIX 6.5.xx wasn't perfect, although I have never seen another commercial unix variant as pretty, stable, and logically laid out -- even Mac OS X could stand some serious improvements.
I've managed to get it up and running (am using it now), but I cannot upgrade the kernel because it only works on one version of the 3x kernel. When are they going to include these drivers by default?
Then there's the video drivers which don't work well either.
It's too bad Slack has such a crappy package-management system or I might still be using it.
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I haven't tried Arch Linux, nor seriously tried a number of other linux variants in the past 18 months, so I cannot say whether it will break with the installation of a vanilla (kernel.org) kernel. Configuring and building a new kernel from source is my preferred method of getting a new kernel, rather than merely installing a replacement distribution kernel binary. But then, I like NetBSD, FreeBSD, Dragonfly BSD, and (especially) OpenBSD as well.
As an aside, I tend to concur with those who would say that a camel is a horse designed by committee.
Already available in Fedora, of course.
Can You Say Linux? I Knew That You Could.
"useful idiots"
There is no such thing as a useful idiot unless that idiot is a fountain of money.
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So... which part of this release actually provides a compelling reason to use Linux over any other OS? You've been itching for something to run on that TI C6X system you built?
The fanboisim here makes me gag. Apple has nothing on you guys.
My post had nothing to do with fanboisim. I currently use Win, Mac, and 5 different flavors of Linux not counting my tv, car stereo, smart phone, and at least 3 other devices that run modified Linux code.
I have been using Linux off and on for years. But it has only been recently that I have really been modifying it and making it do what I want and how I want. Currently I have my MBP that I use that I need to have Windows installed on due to either software differences in Win and Mac versions (ie. Quickbooks) or because I need access to some windows items while on my Mac.
I use a Windows machine for some games only because the gaming industry seems to feel that there is only 1 OS that is worth the time. Even Mac is lacking on a lot of the games I play. And I am not a big fan of running some games in a X over for Linux.
When I use Linux it is for everything else from my firewall to Development. But I am dependent on my Phone and Tablet which run Android. Now with android kernel merge I may have a greater use for using linux than before.
And as I stated, I just hope I dont have to start at the basics. I am no guru by far but I really dont want to have to thrash what I have learned in the last year or so and start again. Will have to wait and see what the distros look like.
M O O N... That spells Slashdot.
Your points are only vaguely related to the subject at hand, but I can see why these particular issues distress you so. I don't think anyone would think any less of you if you just stopped visiting Slashdot.
"There is no such thing as a useful idiot unless that idiot is a fountain of money."
AKA "average consumer".
"You don't have to wait for a distribution house to pick it up. Downloading and doing a kernel compile is easy."
No, you don't have to wait. But since Torvalds himself stated that stabilizing and bugfixing kernel isn't its kernel tree's job no more but a distribution issue, I wouldn't count on that being such a wise movement unless discovering problems and rebuilding boxes is either your job or your hobby.
NO, Linux is a kernel.
Don't forget the 250+ million Android devices floating around out there.
Linux is everywhere these days although mostly invisible (some would call that "seamless").
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Your problems with Slackware appear to stem from your use of the wrong mock-religion meme in your signature. Eris, in particular, is known to cause trouble. Try changing your signature to The Subgenius must have Slack and the package management should improve.
Nothing. Linux is a kernel, not an operating system.
If you don't know the difference, either STOP reading Slashdot or START reading slashdot, whichever applies to you.
OK, I admit to careless reactionary phrasing, but still, the point stands. The phrasing of the original post implied that KDE 'lacks the simplest functions' - which is untrue, hence the rubbish comment. The feature is there, and if it doesn't work for them, that's a bug, not lacking the feature itself.
I do think its a problem if one tries to add a new empty panel after deleting the default. KDE pulled out the resize button since the 3.x release; the panel won't occupy the full width until you add enough widgets on it; which i suppose indeed is very annoying. This isn't a bug, it appears they want it to work that way. There's more to the list of KDE stupidities, you cannot drag a widget in the panel to change its position; cannot add a desktop icon for your custom binary or script etc. Compared to GNOME 3 insanity though, KDE is still a very usable desktop.
It already is. I've just updated my Arch and it came with the new kernel.
Stupidity is an equal opportunity striker.
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Well played, sir, well played.
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My Gentoo installation. Only lamers need binary distros.
Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
I've been using a custom kernel on Fedora (and the older Red Hat) for years (Currently running 3.2.x on F14 at home) without issue.
I'm starting to think GNU is the problem with "GNU/Linux" these days.
One, two, five (three sir!), three.
Also, Google tells me that Grailux doesn't exist. Yet, anyway.
They should start by calling it btrfs1, since everybody knows that there will be btrfs2, btrfs3 and so on
I tried that, but it broke PulseAudio.
Indeed. For example I would say that discouraging someone from posting because they hold a different opinion is being an asshole.
-1 overrated isn't the same thing as "I disagree".
My guess is the GP was trying to write a joke based on the old SCO citation that Linux developers couldn't have made everything on their own (implying they stole part from SCO's code, and part from Windows). But whatever the intent was, the GP failed to communicate it.
Anyway, SCO jokes are as aged as compiling one's kernel.
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expand o matic raid z
It is "only" an implementation issue.
I would love it: just add a HD, and get extra diskspace that is raid-protected, or (schedule a ) remove a HD, and the data will restripe over the remaining HD's.
Well, for me KDE (or the way how KDE interfaces with xrandr) mostly fails even with two displays. Might be a problem with ATI's fglrx but it used to work with Gnome 2.x and it worls with with IceWM.
Oh, the beautiful gloss of greality!
Really? You've been able to run Android under an emulator on Linux for some time now. Except it actually works, whereas Metro is somewhat a non-starter.
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Now that would solve the problem entirely.
It's kind of an important issue for making it a general purpose file system, since with things like SSD's and the like you can easily end up suddenly finding yourself wanting to migrate down a size in data capacity. Also the whole "throw disks into the pool" attitude that ZFS takes means you can end up creating non-optimal situation quickly, but have a much harder time backing out of them.
What's with all this being nice and apologising for perhaps sounding a tad rude? Don't you know where you are?
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
Don't try dropping a new kernel source tar-ball onto RH Enterprise Server, Fedora, or even Ubunto -- it will break your system, and your $$$$ support agreement.
The support agreement part is possible but the actual building and installation of a new kernel on Debian/Ubuntu couldn't be easier. With a single command you can build proper .deb packages from the kernel source and with a second command install them complete with grub updates, DKMS updates, etc. I've been doing this for years without problems. The days of breaking your machine with a custom kernel are long gone for modern distros.
That's weird - I've found KDE to have the best support. You can actually manually assign the size of the desktops (mainly designed for stuff like Eyefinity where the displays are presented to the system as a single display) which may solve the issue for you, albeit at the cost of doing it manually.
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Nope, duals are really well supported these days, it's the triple that's the problem. XRandR (the good way to do it) only supports dual monitors - so you have to revert to Xinerama (which means no 3D accelleration). It's partly also down to the fact I have to have two graphics cards. I hear good things about Eyefinity - as it presents the three (or more) monitors to the OS as a single large screen - but this isn't availible on low end card (which I use both for cost and noise/heat reasons - my gaming PC is separate). I hear wayland also has much better support for multiple monitors, but that's a long way off. In short: Dual monitors are really well supported. XRandR is great, but it doesn't generalise to three monitors. Also there is the proprietary nVidia Twinview, which again is great for dual setups with nVidia cards. KDE's 4.x support is great, as was Gnome 2.x (3.x has no support for triples and poor support for duals).
-- Lattyware (www.lattyware.co.uk)
You just need to click on the cashew (or right click, panel settings - if there is no cashew, unlock the panel first) then drag the stoppers to change the size. As to dragging a widget, you can do that from the same view by dragging, and you can add an application launcher widget and point it to your custom binary or script. All of this stuff has been in there from the first KDE 4.x builds I used, even the really buggy first ones.
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ZFS has no support for resizing or restriping it's RAID pools, or shrinking the storage units.
Not entirely true - if you replace all of the devices in a pool with larger ones (one or two at a time depending on your pool) when all of the devices are of a larger size, ZFS will automatically expand the pool.
So, if you have a pool of 7 1TB drives, say with 4.5 TB of usable storage and you replace them with 7 2TB drives, when the last one is done rebuilding you'll have 9TB of usable storage without doing anything more as an admin.
Remember also that ZFS dynamically allocates filesystem storage out of a pool, so the need to shrink filesystems is much less relevant than with LVM and ext*/xfs. I'm sure there are cases where it could be handy, but I've personally never run into one in the 4 years I've been running ZFS systems.
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OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
Don't try dropping a new kernel source tar-ball onto RH Enterprise Server, Fedora, or even Ubunto -- it will break your system, and your $$$$ support agreement.
Are you aware of why people buy Redhat support agreements? If so, do you think Redhat could offer such agreements for the same kind of money if they supported every possible software version combination? Do you think buying into Redhat's system in involuntary?
As far as Fedora, the 3.3 packages are already built for 17 and 18; 16 should be along in a day or two. But if you're impatient odds are very good that you can rebuild the 17 package on 16 with a simple 'rpmbuild --rebuild' command, and install it with 'rpm -i kernel-foo....'. Fedora folks care about engineering, so if something doesn't work as it should, they want to know about it - you won't hear them using "it's not supported" as an excuse.
But, hey, I used to run Slackware too - it was my favorite distro on the InfoMagic set.
My God, it's Full of Source!
OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
Windows 95 and Windows ME aren't operating systems according to Computer Science. An operating system has to control all resources of a computer, and neither Windows 95 nor Windows ME control the CPU, both not being time sharing systems. An application can get an exclusive lock on the CPU without Windows 95 nor Windows ME being able to get the control back from the application.
I have, albeit with Veritas. Took about a month of restriping 20TB to change the stripe widths. Just because you don't do it, doesn't mean that others don't.
you'll need, oh, Dalvik and Android's windowing system which is not X11
In short: To run Android application, you'll need to run the Android userland.
The kernel is entirely irrelevant. If you don't know what you're talking about, just shut up.
Except that, in Android's case, the kernel *is* relevant.
The Android userland relies on quite a few modification of the kernel (mostyl to handle passing signals around).
Previously, the only way to run the android user-land, was on a special android linux kernel.
There was one special attempt to have Android run attop a stock distribution, done by Cannocical, and this didn't went much beyond experimental, because of the massive amount of patching involved. And thus the difficulty to maintain it, each time a new Android version emerges.
Now the necessary changes (or at least part of them, those needed for the user-land. Those needed for the power-saving are expected to arrive by Linux 3.4).
So you can either drop any of the latest stock vanilla linux kernel underneath your android system (as long as the vanilla kernel has driver for all needed hardware). And thus it will be much more easy for project such as CyanogenMod to feature the latest possible kernel (instead of an older version, because this was the latest available with the necessary changes.).
Or it's more easy for attemps like cannonical, to bring support for android user-land attop of a normal distribution (because now the default kernel can also contain the necessary plumbing, without needing as much patching as before).
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For ubuntu/debian, try make-kpkg (apt-get install kernel-package).
Download the tarball, untar, make menuconfig (or whatever you prefer), then do make-kpkg kernel_image (add --initrd if you need an initial ramdisk). There's various other useful options as well. The result is a nice debian kernel package that can be managed by the system. Works much better than the old make bzImage, etc.
I used to do things by hand in debian (and I never really had trouble in debian with this approach, but I haven't tried it in debian since 2000-2001 or so which is when I first learned about make-kpkg). make-kpkg works great in ubuntu as well, obviously. Gentoo's equivalent seems to be genkernel. Otherwise I agree about the rest of those distributions.
You do know that Chrome is (unstable) v19 don't you? :D
Windows 95 (and the later Windows ME) were preemptive multi-tasking operating systems. Unless you're considering the DOS mode that you could start them in. You must be thinking of Windows 3.1 and older, or the Mac OSes of the time which were cooperative multi-tasking systems.
If you are running Debian Sid it will ask you to upgrade to the new version.
the panel in XFCE will be 100% if i tell it to. not annoying at all.
All of the above was encrypted with a Quad ROT-13 method. Unauthorized decryption is in violation of the DMCA.
We need to stop developing for X and start doing things on Wayland.
Patches welcome.
Also, forget about X, we have Wayland now.
How mature is Wayland - does it come standard w/ any distros? I know that KDE5 is supposed to have improved support for it, but how about the others - gnome, gnustep and so on? I'd really like to see KDE and GNUSTEP on Wayland, and Wayland itself not only on Linux but on the BSDs, Minix and Hurd as well.
Aside from any license issues, are there any reasons that the Veritas FS can't be included along w/ the other Linux file systems, instead of inventing a new one?
Wayland is in active development, 0.85.0 was just released recently and Wayland already supports Qt, GTK, EFL, it also has a compositor called Weston and a few applications. I believe 1.0 is expected to be released this year.
I'd also love to see KDE and Gnome working with Wayland.
Some interesting videos of Wayland:
http://mirror.be.gbxs.net/video.fosdem.org//2012/maintracks/k.1.105/Wayland.webm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNXWT3ine7E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6Jvdo55RUU
Pre-emtive multi-tasking is not sufficient to fully control the CPU resource. It still requires support from the applications. Basicly pre-emptive multi-tasking created some kind of walled garden, where wellbehaving application were able to share the CPU, but each application was able to break out of the garden and lock the CPU. It is more or less comparable with today's sandbox in contemporary browsers, with the difference that the modern browsers have much thicker walls and security patroulling along the fences.
That Metro UI is probably protected by copyright laws and the closest anyone is gonna' come to that is Ubuntu with their Unity UI. Would be cool to see something like that in Fedora or one of the other big distros though.
wow, i see Angry Birds is a touchy subject for you. be sure to take it up in your next session, for all our sakes.
aside from that, Angry Birds doesn't exactly run at usable speeds in Chrome. i'm not wanting to upgrade my hardware to run slow software when a fast alternative exists. i don't want to roast my crutch with an alienware monstrosity just for a few minutes of gratification on the way to work. YMMV.
no, i don't know jack about window managers. you got me. you're clearly superior to me in every way. i'll be sure to remove myself from the genepool, and while i'm at it, i'll remove my offspring as well, just in case. the world will be better off without my ignorance of window managers for smartphones.