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D-Wave Announces Commercially Available Quantum Computer

New submitter peetm writes "Computing company D-Wave has announced they're selling a quantum computing system commercially, which they're calling the D-Wave One. The D-Wave system comes equipped with a 128-qubit processor designed to perform discrete optimization operations. A qubit is the basic unit of quantum information – analogous to a bit in conventional computing. For a broader understanding of how qubits work, check out Ars Technica's excellent guide."

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  1. So how many frames will this get in Crysis? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'm being serious by the way. :p Whats the performance like on these things?

    1. Re:So how many frames will this get in Crysis? by Splodgey · · Score: 5, Funny

      I would imagine that operations are instant. Unfortunately all the data gets sent to an identical 'you' in a parallel universe.......

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    2. Re:So how many frames will this get in Crysis? by frith01 · · Score: 2

      0 frames in Crysis, this is a math co-processor type deal initially. Just speeds up processing for a specific type of quantum algorithm initially. ( Quantum annealing , min/ max )

    3. Re:So how many frames will this get in Crysis? by Magada · · Score: 2

      You could build the ultimate Crysis bot with it.

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    4. Re:So how many frames will this get in Crysis? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      How many frames will this get in Crysis?

      All of them, at the same time. Until you look at it, at which point you'll just get one, which might not be the one you want.

    5. Re:So how many frames will this get in Crysis? by julesh · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes, but it isn't the same type that D-Wave's processor solves, which is to say solving a particular class of differential equation in up to 16 8-bit variables.
      Most of the time spent in ray tracing is actually in database searching (finding objects that a ray intersects with), which can be sped up by a quantum algorithm, but it isn't one that can be implemented on D-Wave's machine.

    6. Re:So how many frames will this get in Crysis? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
    7. Re:So how many frames will this get in Crysis? by donscarletti · · Score: 2

      Umm, ray tracing is math.

      All 3d rendering is based on maths, unfortunately ray tracing involves repeatedly traversing large data sets, something that any co-processor which is a long way from the main system memory bus is going to be shockingly bad at.

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    8. Re:So how many frames will this get in Crysis? by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 1

      Analogy? You get the same number of frames-per-second, but it also calculates the frames that would have resulted from a different input.

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  2. Quantum annealing by fph+il+quozientatore · · Score: 5, Informative

    The name "quantum computer" is a bit misleading, since this thing as far as I understood is a classical computer that performs quickly an algorithm called quantum annealing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_annealing). If I understand correctly, the "128 qubits" part is snake oil, and it has nothing to do with the explanation of qubits given by Ars Technica in the other link.

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    1. Re:Quantum annealing by zrbyte · · Score: 5, Interesting
    2. Re:Quantum annealing by Coryoth · · Score: 5, Informative

      As far as I'm aware the 128 "qubits" aren't entangled at all, which means it is useless for any of the quantum algorithms that one generally thinks of (Shor's algorithm for factoring, for example). It simply has 128 separate "qubits" that are queried individually, and is, essentially an augmented classical computer that gains a few minor advantages in some very specific algorithms (i.e. the quantum annealing algorithm) due to this qubit querying, but is otherwise indistinguishable from a really expensive classical computer for any other purpose.

    3. Re:Quantum annealing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sorry, I stopped reading at "should of". Hurts my eyes too much.

    4. Re:Quantum annealing by paimin · · Score: 4, Informative

      "Should of" is not a usage, it's a misspelling of "should've". "Should've" is a usage.

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    5. Re:Quantum annealing by zrbyte · · Score: 1

      I personally don't like the "should of" either. But sometimes these things creep up on you.

    6. Re:Quantum annealing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      More common?? You really need to get out of your trailer park a bit more. There's a whole world out there, you know?

    7. Re:Quantum annealing by Oxford_Comma_Lover · · Score: 1

      I personally don't like the "should of" either. But sometimes these things creep up on you.

      And then you hit them over the head with the brass section of the nearest orchestra.

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    8. Re:Quantum annealing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I did. It has nothing to do with this. While pronunciation of "should've" and "should of" are phonetically similar, there simply is no such thing as "should of"(which should, of course, be clear by now).

      You are attempting to cover up for this erratum by distorting information. Please stop attempting to cite archaic linguistics that you don't understand.

    9. Re:Quantum annealing by Surt · · Score: 1

      Whoosh!

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    10. Re:Quantum annealing by superwiz · · Score: 1

      Unless, of course, the etymology of "of" has it originating from "have". After all, the possessive apostrophe-s originates from "has". Are you certain that the other possessive form does not as well? Just listen to this yoda-esque: characters have people (which translates from yoda-esque to English as "people have characters"). Well, in the former form, if "have" is shortened into "of" to indicate possessive, you get the other plain English "characters of people". The progression would be something like "characters have people" --> "characters 've people" --> "characters of people." This would make the use of "of" instead of "have" an anachronism rather than incorrect grammar. But since the anachronism is long forgotten, everyone is taught that it is a mistake. It is, no question, a mistake in formal English. And while I agree that to those who have mastered the proper English the "should of" sounds very dissonant, the other AC may have a point. It may be still be an artifact.

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    11. Re:Quantum annealing by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Stop spreading bogus bullshit. The correct use is "should have", period. And just to make you feel a bit better about things, this also means that your mom might not actually be a whore, even though you've heard her called one by the majority of her boyfriends.

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    12. Re:Quantum annealing by Surt · · Score: 1

      Sorry, living languages are the purest form of democracy, your 1%er mindset just doesn't get to rule here.

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    13. Re:Quantum annealing by Surt · · Score: 1

      Again with your top-down we'll tell you what to think and how to say it mindset. Get it through your neanderthal skull that you don't control us!

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    14. Re:Quantum annealing by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      This is nonsense. People contract "should have" to "should've" and ignorant people spell it "should of" instead of "should have".

      It's simply wrong.

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    15. Re:Quantum annealing by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      So let's just let the language devolve into incoherent grunting and be done with it.

      Accepting illogical misspelling as somehow being "right" because everyone makes a mistake will just lead to no one being able to understand anyone.... which is kind of where /. is heading anyway.

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    16. Re:Quantum annealing by superwiz · · Score: 1

      Your name is a lie.

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    17. Re:Quantum annealing by fsterman · · Score: 1

      Your signature is a lie, as "mathematics" simply refers to conceptual systems that we group together based on human categorization. Saying that "There is only one math" is like saying there is only one programming language. And yes, I understand what Turning completeness entails, but categories rely on human categorization. If you want to do any categorizing of anything, like math from general cognition, you must rely on human perceptual systems.

      Although, the parent is a jerk: linguistic meaning, like mathematics, is based on what we put into it. Chomsky's magical separation of performance and abstract correctness falls apart on close examination. Calling others ignorant is pretty shallow considering the history of the English language.

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    18. Re:Quantum annealing by superwiz · · Score: 1

      Mathematics is not only based on cognition, but it also does not exist outside of it. And it encompasses rather than characterizes all that is studied under that name. Because it encompasses all of mathematics, it is singular. It is often extended through new studies, but such extensions are extensions to the singular field of study -- they are not separate fields of study. The fact that a field of study has branches, does not make separate fields. There is no more multiple mathematics than there is multiple biologies. Yes, there is botany, zoology, etc. But they all fall under biology. Just all branches of mathematics fall under one singular term mathematics.

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    19. Re:Quantum annealing by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      The parent is right for the wrong reason. "Mathematics" is a singular word when it refers to a singular subject, the subject of mathematics, e.g., "Mathematics is a hard subject". It has nothing to do with what math itself is.

      Regarding your response to me: If linguistic meaning is based on what we put into it then words can have no objective meaning and no one can communicate. The whole point of language is that we have to have a common, agreed upon rules for how it should be used and what words mean. In the context of grammar "should of" simply makes no logical sense. "Of" is being used as a verb. Yes, I understand how idioms develop, but there's no point in trying to justify people misusing the language through ignorance, and the informality of the discussion does not make the misuse of language any less the culpability of ignorance. If there is any merit to this usage, then let's show it to a bunch of people who are learning English and see what they think of it.

      If your use of language is so imprecise that we have to assume your meaning based on context, then you will never be capable of communicating anything with any accuracy or precision. This might be fine for a /. discussion, but when you start writing a newspaper article, a history book, a science paper or a law with this kind of lazy attitude towards language you're asking for trouble, and we see all the time how much trouble it causes. Rigorous language use is integral to very foundations of civilization, and it is no coincidence that one of the most powerful tools of Orwell's totalitarian state in "1984" was its deliberate devolution of language.

      Am I jerk for complaining that someone who says "should of" is ignorant? Perhaps, but that doesn't mean I wrong.

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    20. Re:Quantum annealing by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      Your argument should be entirely semantic. It really has nothing to do with the nature of math itself. I think your comparison to biology is much more apt than the problematic assertion that "There is only one math."

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    21. Re:Quantum annealing by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      There is a huge difference between being open-minded and being completely uncritical. People used to understand that.

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    22. Re:Quantum annealing by superwiz · · Score: 1

      There is though such a thing as being overly critical. No one has made the argument that "should of" is formally correct. But languages do often develop through misuse. And the etymology of the word "of" is an interesting study in itself. The fact that you rejected an intellectual curiosity in the name of formalism puts your self-proclaimed love of conceptualization into question.

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  3. almost year old news! by Vo1t · · Score: 2

    old news!

  4. 128qubits by TeRanEX · · Score: 1, Funny

    128qubits? That should be enough for everybody!

  5. Imagine... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Imagine a beowulf cluster? Anyone... ahh.. at least I'm Anonymous.

  6. The BIOS Post should read by na1led · · Score: 2

    "I'm completely operational, and all my circuits are functioning perfectly"

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    1. Re:The BIOS Post should read by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Couldn't you have come up with something more contemporary? That is so 2001.

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  7. This has the same central problem as before by JoshuaZ · · Score: 5, Informative

    This has the same central problem as before. D-Wave's computers haven't demonstrated that their commercial bits are entangled. There's no way to really distinguish what they are doing from essentially classical simulated annealing. And the set of problems which their machines can supposedly works on is an NP-hard problem minimization problem involving Ising spin where it isn't even clear that from a complexity standpoint that the the problem can be more quickly solved in general by a quantum system. (Essentially we don't know the relationship between BQP, the set of problems reliably solvable on a quantum computer in polynomial time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BQP and NP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NP_(complexity). Recommended reading that is skeptical of D-Wave's claims is much of what Scott Aaronson has wrote about them. See for example http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=639, http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=198 although interestingly after he visited D-Wave's labs in person his views changed slightly and became slightly more sympathetic to them http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=954.

  8. Re:Some day it may even be able to run the linux by gl4ss · · Score: 1

    did you paste an old troll article because it's the article is old?

    problem remains about these apparently that it's not really answered if they're more useful than your laptop for even the only thing they do.

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  9. I'll buy one by Chrisq · · Score: 1

    I'll buy one .... in universes where this uranium atom breaks down in the next 10 minutes. Now you will need a quantum computer to bill me!

    1. Re:I'll buy one by julesh · · Score: 1

      ... or a geiger counter?

  10. Re:But... by qubex · · Score: 1

    In at least an infinite subset of the infinite number of universes it straddles, yes - but most likely not this one.

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  11. I sell 1024-qubit computer for only $100$!!!!Buy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Dear Sir, I am a Nigerian Professor of great fame, and I will make this one-time offer to You only
    for a ridiculous price of $100$ only!
    My excellent quantum computer is cleverly disguised as an old Nike sneaker box,
    so You can use it without fear of authorirties.
    For further information, please send $10 to the following account for mail processing costs
    and attach your credit card number for billing. ..........

  12. Re:Some day it may even be able to run the linux by na1led · · Score: 1

    You need to find a better translator, because I have no clue what you just said.

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  13. Re:ars article by imbusy · · Score: 2

    http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~banach/COMP39112.Info/index.html A course at University of Manchester on Quantum Computing. The lecture notes are all there. It's a course I took myself as an undergraduate.

  14. Re:Some day it may even be able to run the linux by __aaeihw9960 · · Score: 1

    Nah, it makes perfect sense:

    One issue with these is that neither the random parent statement or the article in question actually answer if a so called quantum drive is actually more useful than your laptop for that thing they do.

    I don't know about you, but I personally love Liv Tyler, Steve Zahn, Tom Hanks, Charlize Theron, Obba Babatundé, Giovanni Ribisi, and PETER FREAKING SCOLARI. Talk about an ALL STAR CAST!!!!

  15. Re:First_post & !First_post by courteaudotbiz · · Score: 2

    You see... you quantum computer is not fast enough yet.

  16. The Author speaks (and cringes a bit) by TheAlexKnapp · · Score: 5, Informative

    All - author of the piece speaking here. Yes, I'm aware of the D-Wave controversies, and talked with Scott Aaronson in a later piece at the time of the announcement. I'm cringing a little bit as I re-read this post because I know a heck of a lot more about quantum computing now than I did then. My take on D-Wave's computer now is that it's probably not a 'true' quantum computer in the sense that it involves any quantum speedup or entanglement. That said, I think that their annealing process is interesting in and of itself. I see their quantum computing tag as being akin to calling something '4G' in the wireless world. For those more interested in quantum computing, I updated the post to include some of the Q&A's I did about D-Wave at the time, as well as some of the quantum computing research I've covered since then, including some conversations with quantum computing researchers.

  17. Commerically? by speps · · Score: 1

    FTFY : D-Wave has announced that they're selling a quantum computing system comically

  18. Re:searching a phonebook with 10,000 names by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 1

    Unsorted data.

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  19. Re:Heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    No, this processor uses Xzibitz...

  20. Helpful background by deadline · · Score: 2

    For those who would like a gentle introduction to quantum computing take a look at: A Smidgen of Quantum Computing

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    1. Re:Helpful background by the_leander · · Score: 1

      I wish I had mod points for this, in one picture and a couple of paragraphs, the author has explained superposition, decoherence and entanglement in a manner even I can understand.

      Thanks for posting this!

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  21. Re:Some day it may even be able to run the linux by MisterMidi · · Score: 1

    I can't decide if this is funny or scary, when trolls seem eloquent but are otherwise just nutjobs. Reminds me of some politicians :)

  22. Re:What we really need by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    True, first the virtual highway system will need to be completed. And then you won't live to be able to afford one - look at the Moller Skycar, it was over a half-million dollars and that price was probably optimistic. Then there's the legal shitstorm of allowing VTOL flying cars to take off and land in random places if you actually want to use it like a car and not a conventional small aircraft.

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  23. Re:What we really need by Sperbels · · Score: 1

    I'm not impatient to have a flying car crash through my roof or office window.

    Stop giving the Jetson era terrorists ideas! Do you want the TSA to grope you every time you need to run to the corner store for milk?

  24. Useless without Entanglement by mathimus1863 · · Score: 1

    Here's previous comments about what quantum computing really is: Informative!

    D-Wave has always been known to be full of $#!+ when it comes to quantum computers. They've never demonstrated entanglement in their QCs which pretty much makes this a classical computer with a different medium for pushing information around. That's not to say that their research is complete shit. They are pioneering better ways to control qubits. But actual quantum computers are a major threat to modern day cryptography, and this "quantum computer" doesn't concern me at all.

  25. I'll wait for the iQuantum2... by billybob_jcv · · Score: 1

    ...I'm always sorry later when I buy the first gen...

  26. Re:First_post & !First_post by neokushan · · Score: 2

    Au contraire!

    Anyone with a basic knowledge of binary maths can see that First_post & !First_post equals !First_post, so in a roundabout (and almost certainly unintended) way, he's correct to not be the first post.

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  27. Re:searching a phonebook with 10,000 names by Nadaka · · Score: 1

    Since when is a phone book unsorted data?

  28. This article is a year old! by SecurityTheatre · · Score: 4, Funny

    Apparently, a quantum computer allows slashdot editors to see backwards in time.

    Since this article was posted.....

      5/17/2011 @ 2:34PM

    Right, that's almost a year ago that this "announcement" took place.

    Whoops!

    1. Re:This article is a year old! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This is a dupe anyway. The original was posted next week.

  29. Re:searching a phonebook with 10,000 names by cheaphomemadeacid · · Score: 2

    well actually i doesn't really matter, you have mergesort (nlogn) and binarysearch(nlogn) for classic logarithmic search. So, yes, for an unsorted dataset the sort&search time would be 2nlogn

  30. Re:binary fetishism by Surt · · Score: 1

    Because at some point you have to translate the solution to a binary format in order to realize it. Also, it's still easier to lay out the circuits that way, basically all of the tools are optimized for binary layouts.

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  31. Re:searching a phonebook with 10,000 names by olliM · · Score: 1

    Binary search is O(log n), not O(n log n). Searching unsorted values is O( n ).

  32. The only problem is... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2

    ...they're only available in alternative universes.

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  33. Proposing a standard by Senescent+Nerd · · Score: 1

    Can't we just agree to ignore all announcements about quantum computers that aren't accompanied by both (a) the system reference manual pages for the instructions that manipulate the quantum hardware, and (b) performance numbers for a completely specified problem?

  34. Re:But... by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

    yet

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  35. Re:I sell 1024-qubit computer for only $100$!!!!Bu by Amouth · · Score: 2

    how do i know your real? I've never heard of a Nigerian Professor, i though everyone over there was a Prince

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  36. Re:binary fetishism by Surt · · Score: 1

    Feel free to provide some contrary evidence.

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  37. But will likely read by mcgrew · · Score: 1

    "I have a terrible pain down all the diodes in my left leg."

  38. Re:What we really need by suso · · Score: 1

    This is the big flaw in people's desire to have flying cars. Why would I want a flying car if I can't fly it anywhere I want? That defeats the purpose.

  39. Re:searching a phonebook with 10,000 names by cjeze · · Score: 1

    Well some searches are O(1)

  40. Re:Some day it may even be able to run the linux by bmo · · Score: 1

    >Your troll would work much better at the Yahoo news forums

    It worked on you.

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  41. Cats by DarthVain · · Score: 2

    My quantum computer is full of cats. maybe.

  42. Re:First_post & !First_post by quarterbuck · · Score: 1

    No, it doesn't.
    First_post & !First_post equals false, which is a boolean. If ! is the same as !First_Post , then you must be defining "First_post" as "True".
    That would lead to some odd conversations.
    "Honey, did you let the cat out? "
    "First Post"

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  43. Re:First_post & !First_post by neokushan · · Score: 1

    Perhaps! But ! is a binary operation as well, so !First_post will evaluate as either true or false, meaning it is entirely possible for false to equal !First_post.

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  44. 'mechanical turk' quantum computer by aztennenbaum · · Score: 1

    How hard would it be to put a really fast classical computer into a black box and trick people into believing it is a quantum computer?

  45. Re:What we really need by Azure+Flash · · Score: 1

    3D is pig disgusting anyway, so I don't want a flying car!

  46. *yawn* by msobkow · · Score: 1

    Wake me up when someone has the entanglement implemented.

    Until then, it's just buzzwords and useless for the vast majority of problems that could be solved by a real quantum computer.

    This may prove to be a viable accelerator node for the few cases where the particular algorithm that this box computes is needed, but I really can't see that as being a widespread problem requiring a solution of this expense.

    I also believe a real quantum computer will prove significantly faster at solving even that one algorithm than this box will be.

    This box is "quantum" in the same sense that fast-food ground grease is "meat".

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  47. This is not a quantum computer in the usual sense by boddhisatva · · Score: 1

    Read about how a quantum computer works in the literature and then look at what this machine does. Two totally different things. Interesting, promising, a worthy endeavor - yes. Maybe a new use for the word, a new type of quantum computer. But not what you probably think.

  48. Re:First_post & !First_post by fsterman · · Score: 1

    This is quantum logic, so it is both the same time, until we measure it. I'm pretty sure that means that quantum mechanics figured out that we would respond and thus made !First_post == false;

    Or something.

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  49. there is a market for.. by v4vijayakumar · · Score: 1

    5 quantum computers

  50. Re:But... by justforgetme · · Score: 1

    Yes and No

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  51. Re:Some day it may even be able to run the linux by mcgrew · · Score: 1

    Are you saying that this linux can run on a computer without windows underneath it, at all ?

    Yes. It is a complete replacement for Windows; like Windows it's the operating system that runs everything else. It has its own drivers, boot sequence, and services. You can buy a blank, unformatted hard drive, install it in your computer, put a Linux CD in and format the drive and install the OS and apps (most of the apps you'll need are likewise free and are on the Linux installation CD or DVD) without Windows ever touching it.

    Likewise, Apples don't have Windows either, although you can install Linux and/or Windows on an Apple PC. Apple has its own operating system, which is Unix-like as is Linux.

    Windows apps won't run in Linux or Apple, and Linux and Apple apps won't run in Windows. Unix apps will generally work on Apple or Linux, although they may need to be recompiled.

    If it were true (and I doubt it), then companies would be selling computers without a windows. This clearly is not happening, so there must be some error in your calculations.

    You are the one calculating, and making errors in those calculations. Microsoft charges PC manufacturers a pittance for Windows, which the manufacturers more than make up for by charging folks like McAffee and Yahoo and other makers of crapware to put them on the computers. Those icons on the desktop of your brand new Windows PC? All but the Recycle Bin were paid for by their publishers to have them installed. That's why you get a "free" copy of Windows on your computer. It's also one reason Apples cost more -- they're not getting subsidized by crapware companies like Dell and HP are.

    I hope you realise that windows is more than just Office ?

    Holy crap, kid, do you know what site you're on? Office is NOT Windows. Office runs IN Windows. And it won't run in Linux; there are open source alternatives to office for Linux, just like every other program.

    Microsoft just spent $9 billion and many years to create Vista, so it does not sound reasonable that some new alternative could just snap into existence overnight like that

    It didn't snap into existance overnight, thousands of independant programmers have been contributing to it since 1985. Linux is actually what is known as a kernel, the lowest level of the OS. The part that faces you, the user, is a desktop, and there are several varieties, most notably KDE and GNOME.

    And it has been a massive effort, with far more programmers contrinuting to it than Microsoft could ever have. Not only individuals, but companies contribute as well. Novell, Red hat, Sun, Oracle, IBM, all have made massive contributions.

    Apple tried to create their own system for years, but finally gave up recently and moved to Intel and Microsoft.

    You can't possibly be that ignorant. Apple had a windowed OS long before MS did. They do not use MS software, although MS does sell programs like MS Office that will run under Apple's OS.

    I think you need to re-examine your assumptions.

    I've made no assumptions. You might want to educate yourself.
    Linux
    Apple
    OS

  52. Re:Some day it may even be able to run the linux by bmo · · Score: 1

    I think you need to read this.

    The text has been rot-11'ed to protect the guilty.

    dog --rot 11 reply.txt

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  53. Re:Some day it may even be able to run the linux by bmo · · Score: 1

    Umad

    Deal with it.

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    BMO

  54. Re:Some day it may even be able to run the linux by bmo · · Score: 1

    Coward.