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Japanese Court Orders Google To Turn Off Auto-Complete Function
An anonymous reader writes with news that a Tokyo District Court has granted its approval to a petition seeking to force Google to turn off the auto-complete feature for its search engine. "The petition against Google was filed by a Japanese man who claims the feature breached his privacy and eventually led to the loss of his job. According to the man, whose name has been withheld, when his name is typed into the Google search engine auto-complete suggests words associated with criminal behavior. And when those suggested searches are clicked, over 10,000 results are shown that disparage or defame him. According to the plaintiff, this negative Google footprint has prevented him from finding employment since his initial firing several years ago." Unfortunately for him, "Google has rejected the order, saying that its U.S. headquarters will not be regulated by Japanese law, and that the case, according to its in-house privacy policy, does not warrant deleting autocomplete-suggested terms related to the petition, lawyer Hiroyuki Tomita said Sunday."
Because the servers that were seized were in Virginia?
Learning HOW to think is more important than learning WHAT to think.
Great, now can we get a restraining order on the Live search feature too? It's giving me mental anguish
A lot of places over there present search terms rather than URL's as references for objects. This is in the majority of advertising. It is wrong, but it is what is commonly done. They have confused address with search. And this is the result
I'm sure Google doesn't have any data centers in japan.
You mean that out of the 7 billion people on this planet, there might be one with the same name? And he might be a criminal? GASP.
No, what am I saying? That's crazy talk. Only one person can have that name, so clearly he did all those terrible things.
Secretary? Go fire that guy in cubicle 3. Google said he's a criminal.
What do I know, I'm just an idiot, right?
Court orders employers not to be morons.
Not according to Google
http://www.google.com/about/datacenters/locations/index.html
And you would be correct-they don't.
http://www.google.com/about/datacenters/locations/index.html
All the world's a CPU, and all the men and women merely AI agents
Woah, woah, we have no place for your logical thinking here. Get out, heretic!
My reality check bounced.
And if they're not planning to turn it off for everyone (which makes sense, some people actually make use of it), at least give others the option to turn it off for just themselves. I personally like autocomplete but I can understand why others wouldn't, and I think we should have the choice.
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The guy has a name. When you time the first 3-4 letters of the name, google autocompletes the name with a Crime word, which links to 10,000 entries about said crime. And the HR lady who is looking at this results thinks the guy is a criminal, so she puts his resume in the reject pile.
I don't see how that is Google's fault. That's the fault of stupid HR ladies who don't know how to do a proper search (i.e. finish typing the guy's name).
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Not datacenter, but they have local offices, which is even more substantial. They have corporate presence in the country.
While I don't understand "It's time to shut down Google.", it will be interesting over the next decades to see what happens to U.S. policy and laws once foreign companies (e.g., Chinese tech.) start to use U.S. laws and their own newly-important country's clout to bludgeon American corporations the way the U.S. gov't. and corporations do now.
Exactly how would this stop another person, on another computer, from auto-completing your name and having it associated with certain words? As this is what the article was about.
Arrest the regional executives. Then Google will change their tune.
I don't agree with the ruling, but that's how these things go down when a company refuses to recognize jurisdiction in a country they have an operational presence in.
Use this link to search google instead
http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0
Search Settings->Never show instant results, not so difficult.
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I'm aware. I wasn't responding to the article, but rather the OP, who was talking about autocomplete being irritating.
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Have gnu, will travel.
That's not working for me... I found the setting and switched it off but still seeing the autocomplete prediction. Probably has something do with me using Chrome...
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Sure, that's why you use Bing!
Then you can get google results filtered by Microsoft.
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I don't think any countries use it. Japanese speakers probably use it, whatever country they're in.
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So you can sue someone in Japan without revealing who you are? Especially since in this case to problem is with the name of the plaintiff, this makes very hard for Google to defend themselves.
There are Japanese speakers in other countries than Japan.
Because the US is the defaco ruler of the internet.. enough of it is hosted here, or requires name resolution through US services, that as far as the DoJ is concerned it has domain over the whole thing. So unless Japan asks the DoJ nicely to do mean things to a US company... it is unlikely to have an impact.
They have .jp domain names that could potentially be siezed. That would be highly disruptive. I'm sure that they also have assets in Japanese banks and do business inside the country. In short, they have plenty of assets under the jurisdiction of Japanese courts should they fail to comply with the court's order. Not being an expert on the local laws of Japan, I can't tell you how relevant the location of the physical server is, but I'd bet it's not that important to the case at hand.
If Google is not ruled by Japanese law, why is every country on earth subject to American law on copyright?
Not only that, but America claims that Americans everywhere on the planet are subject to American law no matter where they are.
Julian Assange and Megaupload would be really surprised to hear about the concept that Japanese laws don't apply to America.
America also maintains that our laws apply to anyone in the world who does business here, even to the limited extent of renting server space on our soil.
Why, that means that America is Really Special and other people's laws don't apply here, and our law applies everywhere. Good to get that out there, fully stated. (Isn't that an empire?)
You are confusing 'auto-complete' with 'instant search results'.
'Auto-complete' provides relevant suggestions in the search text box based on what you have typed so far.
'Instant results' shows the output of the search without you having to press enter after you have finished typing in the search text box.
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uh, what do I know !?!?
follow this link and read the 5 search engine. Seriously guys, theres more than google out there. This is just a small example. I'm pretty sure other search engines exists that are better than Google and not mentioned here
It only allows you to turn off instant search, not autocomplete... and yes RTFA
It strikes me that this is more a problem with our society's mindset rather than it being a problem with auto-complete or related search terms. I think most of us on here can grasp how many people may have the same names, or rather, just because one term is popular with another doesn't mean you've found a correlation of what exactly you had in mind. But we skew very highly for technical people on here.
What about the population in general? I would say most people aren't familiar with the search and correlation algorithms data mining services uses. So it can lead to misunderstandings like this. But then the solution is not to take away the technology but to increase education. We shall not ban cameras but educate people on why photographs gives people what looks like 'devil's eyes,' for example.
But I really think this is going to be hard. The amount of information out there far outstrips our current brain's capacity to understand. And so we have things like selection bias. I think in the future we will need another device beyond the computer which will allow us to both process and comprehend all this data. Perhaps a brain implant. Like the factory to the industrial revolution, a device that accelerates the information revolution.
If your name is Bundy, it means you are either a serial killer or a pathetic shoe salesman.
This story is somewhat similar to the Los Alfaques story where search results to a sunny beach resort returns pictures of burned corpses.
>Google is ignoring it's founding statement "Don't Be Evil".
Yes, I can see how automatically completing words is a tool of Satan.
I just tried that and it doesn't make any difference.
1. There are international treaties and laws governing copyright enforced by Interpol.
2. Please point me to a single official statement from the White House or American ambassador on this
3. Assange has never been charged with a crime in the US. The US has not filed for his extradition. Megaupload had severs in the US that broke US law.
4. If you do business in a country you are bound by those laws. Google had to abide by Chinese laws in China for example. So they shifted traffic to servers in Hong Kong where laws are different. This isn't a difficult concept and it is global.
5. You've made a litany of unfounded, untrue statements.
You would be correct if you suggested that the US government has encouraged nations to pass copyright protection laws. But even in doing so, they acknowledge that each country has its own legal jurisdiction and legal system. The United States arguably doesn't have any exports nearly as important as IP, so the government tries to protect those interests in negotiating with other nations. It is in the best interest that they do so.
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Seems to me that the HR flacks are not doing their job properly if they associate a search cloud with the work history of a prospective hire. If I do a search for a person and "autocomplete" gives me unusual results, I don't immediately stop typing and have a spaz-- I take an extra second to finish the search. I can't even see how this could be considered a form of libel or slander, as in the "Santorum" situation (which I find to be hilarious, and not slander at all BTW). This guy's beef is with the HR departments, not the company that makes tools used by the lazy HR drones.
Google is working exactly as it should-- associating popular searches with similar words. Let's say my name is Killroy, Bob-- does the judge really think that upon typing in "Kill" and upon seeing the following results: "killer elite, kill the irishman, kill bill, killer whale" the reasonable choice is to stop typing assume the applicant is a killer whale? Absurd.
On a related note, I made a JAVA applet that uses autocomplete to generate "food" for little animated "animals": AutoComplete Hive Mind Cannibals. I LIKE autocomplete, it is a weird profile of what people search for and what associations they make.
Wouldn't it make more sense for him to change his name rather than put up with the supposed cause of his employment woes for seven years? It sounds suspicious to me. It seems more likely there are other underlying reasons why he gets fired.
What sort of crazy porn do you have to search for in Japan to raise an eyebrow?
But from a practical standpoint, Google is ignoring it's founding statement "Don't Be Evil".
Look closer. Google's motto is obviously "don't, be evil", whatever they tell outsiders.
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It's not him searching that's the problem, it's when others do a search on him. Presumably he doesn't have control over their Search Settings.
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Search Settings->Never show instant results, not so difficult.
I tried that, but for some reason it didn't have any effect on the computer in the HR department that I mailed my resume to...
He's getting rather old, but he's a good mouse.
More proof that Google's relevance is declining. This guy can't be much of a criminal mastermind, if he can't figure out how to control other people with a devious mind control ray from his Antarctic ice fortress guarded by gene-spliced penguins with huge fangs. Guy can't even master Super Villain 101, but Google insists on telling me he's a notorious criminal.
So wait... Someone with his name apparently committed some crimes that were substantial enough to warrant being memorialized on the internet.
He's not suing for libel or anything, he's suit for invasion of privacy. Does that mean he DID commit those crimes?
There is so much fail in this I don't know where to begin:
-Not hiring someone because of an unsubstantiated internet search
-Suing google, demanding the disabling of a perfectly good feature instead of asking google to somehow adjust their indexes
-(Potentially) committing crimes that get you plastered all over the internet in the first place.
But when they were busy censoring and re-writing history at the behest of the Communist Chinese everyone bemoaned "following the local laws if you want to do business in that country". Right.
So we only have to bow down to communist dictatorships who own practically all of our country's debt, but our "allies" get told to get bent. God Bless America!
That's not a full listing. For example they have some servers in Budapest, Hungary, (here are a few traceroutes, just scroll down a bit http://suckit.blog.hu/2009/10/14/van_e_a_google_nek_szerverparkja_magyarorszagon ).
That's totally different, MegaUpload was committing sins against our almighty lords the RIAA & MPAA.
Employers in Japan put your name in Google, and simply associate everything that comes up with you? They don't even check if it's the same person? This doesn't even pass a level 1 stink test.
so this type of thing can happen, especially with common names.
You must have it really bad. There's an astonishing number of people named Anonymous Coward around here.
And even if they can't actually seize the main google.com domain, they could still potentially block access. A similar thing happened recently in the Netherlands, where the copyright lobby used the courts to force a provider to block access to the Piratebay. (In that instance the argument was more or less that otherwise the provider would be assisting copyright infingement.)
If your website can be viewed in country X, what's on the website falls under the jurisdiction of country X, whether you like it or not. Of course, unless an extradition treaty says otherwise, you can always refuse to show up in court, but access to your website is fair game.
My favorite Google link these days:
https://encrypted.google.com/webhp?complete=0&hl=en
No login required, encrypted and no auto-complete, lets you actually finish typing what you want to search for without all the extraneous stuff popping up.
This is what I have my default search setup to use.
So I just tell the HR department not to google, and email them that handy link instead. Gotcha.
We don't have "Social Security" numbers, or any such tracking numbers in Japan. That makes it more difficult to cross-check people with the same name.
Japanese companies are risk averse to the extreme and even if the chance that the man is the criminal referenced by Google is 0.000000001%, that may be enough to disqualify him for a job. Companies will not want the press, the tabloids or police anywhere near company property, even if it is a case of mistaken identity.
Yahoo is the search engine king in Japan. The man would not have had this problem years ago or before Google's entry into the Japanese market. He is not suing Yahoo, only Google.
Google has a registered company, an office, bank accounts, employees and a co.jp domain name, which can only be purchased with a physical address in Japan.
He was not asking for a monetary reward. He will have to now in order to get Google's attention.
I think the people taking Google's side in this would change their tunes if it was them and they were in Japan.
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You should try https://duckduckgo.com/ if you are looking for a search alternative.
How many other countries use Japanese auto-complete besides Japan?
Uh, China for one. Google can't generally differentiate between all-kanji Japanese (almost all names) and Chinese characters.
The Chinese search has special behavior to highlight the search terms in red rather than the default Western-style boldening that is oddly used for Japanese search too when phonetic characters are included. The red really makes his name stand out more prominently in the results.
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What's not clear from the article is whether or not the guy did all of the things that are found when you search his name.
If he didn't, then it seems a simple matter to tell employers that the guy that comes up when they search for him is a completely different guy. It would behoove him to do this no matter what Google does since not everyone uses Google to research job applications.
Back when I was active with online dating, I Googled myself and discovered that I share the same name as the brother of a man convicted of several murders -- I dug deeper and found that he lived in a nearby town and was around the same age as me. Because of the notoriety of the crime at the time, if anyone searched for my name, the first few hits were newspaper articles mentioning this guy talking about how he couldn't believe his brother was capable of such an act. I always warned potential online matches that if they looked me up online, I am *not* that guy.
They have no problem turning off the autocomplete on "dirty" words to protect the children, but painting some guy as a criminal? fair game...
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Google hasn't been order to do anything yet. He has only been given permission to continue his "petition". Hundreds of people are given permission to file silly lawsuits everyday. Given Japanese society's general dislike of lawsuits I doubt the guy will win.
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Maybe he actually did whatever it is that Google suggests his name is associated with? I have an acquaintance who got busted for dealing cocaine a while back. Now, Google's auto-complete suggests his name if you type in only the first three letters of his first name and surname - and if you complete the name, then it suggests two searches ("John Doe Town" and "John Doe Drugs") - both searches lead to pages of news sites about the drugs bust and his prosecution. Clearly, this is going to make it difficult for him to find employment in the future...
You mean that out of the 7 billion people on this planet, there might be one with the same name?
There are plenty of real world names which are unique enough that, when combined with location and date information, they identify an individual with enough accuracy to make a potential employer suspicious. I'm not suggesting that Google should be forced to remove the auto-complete searches, but I would also not suggest that this man's employment problem is fictitious, or even that employers are necessarily acting unreasonably.
Why would that matter? Correlation equals legal jurisdiction?
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So you can sue someone in Japan without revealing who you are?
I don't know about Japan, but in the United States, the courts in Roe v. Wade kept Norma McCorvey's identity confidential until she outed herself after the Supreme Court had ruled.
So it's either the incompetent HR department lackeys don't know the meaning of patience, or the guy did something really terrible to warrant 10,000 pages of defamatory results. Both for seven years.
I don't think getting rid of autocomplete would solve either of those.
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Auto-complete suggestions for Kanji are cycled through in IME when trying to type out a name, so it is very easy (if not second nature) to type out a name in a Google search box and hit "submit" on an auto-completed suggestion. I do this all the time when searching for the name of a politician or celebrity. Japanese names also have the potential to be a bit more unique than English names in writing. Even the Japanese equivalent of a name like "John Doe" could be written several different ways. Over 2,000 characters in one of the Japanese writing systems, Kanji, are devoted specifically to naming (Jinmeiyo Kanji) and the Japanese Ministry of Justice plans to add nearly 600 more Kanji to that list within the next couple of years to encourage unique names. That isn't to say that you wouldn't get a few unrelated individuals in any name search, but it does give you an idea of the possibilities for unique names.
Some people have asked why the Petitioner doesn't simply change his name. My understanding is that your legal name is tied to your family registry, or Koseki, where everyone must share the same last name. Births and deaths, marriages and divorces, even your citizenship is recorded on your family's Koseki (social security numbers do not exist in Japan). He could easily register an alias, but changing his legal name could be more difficult because of the Koseki system. The only circumstances that I've personally seen of a Japanese citizen changing their legal name was when they married and formed a new Koseki, or were adopted onto a spouse's Koseki. Even if he was successful in changing his legal name, his educational background, degrees, and previous job recommendations would all be linked to his original name. That might make him stand out and appear even more suspicious to a prospective employer.
Discrimination against job applicants is a very big human rights issue in Japan. There are detective agencies devoted to doing background checks on job applicants, including finding ways to illegally get their hands on a person's Koseki just to see if they are of Buraku lineage (read up on the "National/Racial/Ethnic Minorities" section in the U.S. Department of State's Human Rights Report on Japan). Businesses do not want to hire an employee who could bring the slightest hint of scandal or poor image to their company; even if the scandal comes from mistaken identity, or a long-forgotten familial relation.
Could the Petitioner actually be a criminal, or yakuza, who is just looking to get some money out of Google? Possibly. But it is equally possible that the Petitioner is genuinely suffering from a case of mistaken identity or association. How unfortunate and shameful would it be if the auto-complete was for the name of some estranged, distant relative, for example? It is difficult not to empathize with someone in this sort of situation, especially in an economic recession.
While I agree with all you good people who say that auto-complete should not be disable. That would be disabling free speech.
The fact is that Google already disables auto-complete for certain terms (like "nude").
Refusing to do so now, when it's a real person getting hurt, not pseudo-christian pseudo-morality[1], is nasty.
[1]: This is not meant as a slur on real christian morality.