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What Book Publishers Should Learn From Harry Potter

New submitter Volanin writes "The e-book versions of the Harry Potter series are being released through Pottermore, and J.K. Rowling has chosen to do a number of interesting things with them, including releasing them without DRM restrictions. 'One of the encouraging things about the Pottermore launch is that the books will be available on virtually every platform simultaneously, including the Sony Reader, the Nook, the Kindle and Google's e-book service. ... even Amazon has bowed to the power of the series and done what would previously have seemed unthinkable: it sends users who come to the titles on Amazon to Pottermore to finish the transaction.'"

196 comments

  1. Only sort of DRM free? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.the-digital-reader.com/2012/03/27/harry-potter-ebooks-are-not-drm-free-in-kindle-format/

    1. Re:Only sort of DRM free? by Bradmont · · Score: 4, Informative

      Just buy the epub and convert it with Calibre.

    2. Re:Only sort of DRM free? by cpu6502 · · Score: 1

      You mean we can convert from Epub to the kindle format using Calibre? Cool.

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    3. Re:Only sort of DRM free? by Bradmont · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yeah, it can convert bewteen just about any ebook format you can imagine. There are also plugins to strip DRM, but amazon recently changed its DRM scheme, so YMMV.

    4. Re:Only sort of DRM free? by BZWingZero · · Score: 2

      Well, you can convert it to .mobi, which the Kindle will happily read. Amazon has a few formats, including .azw which is a DRM'd version of .mobi.

    5. Re:Only sort of DRM free? by Hortensia+Patel · · Score: 1

      Shrug.

      IMO, anyone who bought a Kindle has already made a pretty clear statement that they're perfectly happy with DRM and willing to reward it financially. What do they expect?

    6. Re:Only sort of DRM free? by iceaxe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Having purchased one DRM'ed Nook book before I got a Kindle, and one DRM'ed kindle book since then, I wised up and now I only purchase DRM free ebooks (generally epub), manage the collection with Calibre, and convert the books as needed for loading on devices.

      If a book is not available without DRM, I do not purchase it.

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    7. Re:Only sort of DRM free? by iceaxe · · Score: 1

      On the contrary, I have a Kindle loaded up with nothing but DRM free books. Amazon will probably take a loss on me, since I refuse to buy their DRM laden wares, but I'm happy with the hardware at what is probably below their cost.

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    8. Re:Only sort of DRM free? by yesiree · · Score: 2

      If a book is not available without DRM, I do not purchase it.

      "If a book is not available without DRM, I do not purchase it." Buy it and strip it from the drm. Then you can load it unto every type of device you own, and don't have to rely on Amazon. And yes, even since amazon changed drm-scheme it still works with the latest un-stripper (weird word btw). Or are these things illegal where you live?

    9. Re:Only sort of DRM free? by Hortensia+Patel · · Score: 1

      I thought about going that route, but had a horrible suspicion that the installed base is what publishers look at when deciding how and where to release ebooks. From that perspective, the fact that you're keeping your Kindle clean is irrelevant. It's another Kindle, and as such is another argument for them to release with DRM since that's "obviously" what customers are happy with.

    10. Re:Only sort of DRM free? by b4dc0d3r · · Score: 1

      And in addition to iceaxe, I too have no DRM books.

      Almost entirely Project Gutenberg, or similar projects. And scanned copies of things I already own (archival exception to copyright restrictions).

      Since a Fake Book / Real Book has mostly just one-page tunes (the head and changes), you could load up 20-30 songs and play jazz for several hours, just pausing between songs long enough to push "next page". Want to change the set list? Re-arrange the PDF and send it to the band. I haven't scratched the surface of what you can do with them, but I'm doing anything that doesn't need DRM.

    11. Re:Only sort of DRM free? by ConaxConax · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm betting he is doing what an informed consumer should and putting his money where his mouth is when making an informed purchasing choice, in chosing not to support and fund a business model he doesn't like.

    12. Re:Only sort of DRM free? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that only because there's no such thing as a DRM free kindle format?

    13. Re:Only sort of DRM free? by Ira+Sponsible · · Score: 2

      If a book is not available without DRM, I do not purchase it.

      This is exactly the reason I released my book without DRM. Also set the price at $2.99 because that seemed to be the most popular price point. Still isn't helping sales any, but I figure that's because few people know about it. I guess I could point people to it from slashdot: Cerberon on facebook click about for complete list of eBook availability.

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    14. Re:Only sort of DRM free? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Loaded up" huh? Sounds like DRM wouldn't really affect you at all then, you're obviously happy with the Kindle and plan to continue using it.

    15. Re:Only sort of DRM free? by MDillenbeck · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Sorry, I'd much rather buy the physical book, photo each page, throw it into OCR, and create my own DRM free copy of the book for my personal use before I'd buy a DRMed e-book and use utilities to strip it. Of course, the added benefit is I have a physical copy to fall back on should my eReader ever become damaged or broken. (Also, my wife is a book-aholic who prefers the physicality of a printed book to an eReader - but she likes cheap books, so Gutenburg Project and free book sections are getting her access to books she never would have read.)

      Interesting side note - Tabletop RPGs have been going to PDF format (check out RPGNow.com to see how many games are available), and not only are they affordable but they have avoided the whole Kindle/Nook/etc DRM format. I buy a pdf and can move it around as much as I want, can print it out if I so choose, and save significantly over the printed book. I find I am far more likely to buy an RPG pdf due to these reasons. Of course, it is a niche market so piracy rates are not the same (us old gamers are less likely to steal the stuff because we recognize many game companies are struggling, so buying it keeps a good game alive) - and the market seems to be exploding due to this freedom (out of print books coming back to market, unit sales slowly increasing, etc).

    16. Re:Only sort of DRM free? by ynp7 · · Score: 1

      Consider yourself corrected. Even books sold on Amazon can be DRM-free, with the decision to apply DRM or not left up to each publisher.

    17. Re:Only sort of DRM free? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      steal

      Stopped reading right there.

    18. Re:Only sort of DRM free? by iceaxe · · Score: 1

      Thank you. I've acquired your free sample, and will likely purchase. I don't know yet if I'll like it or not, but 3 bucks is worth it just to say "thanks" for the effort you put in.

      I think you've already discovered that the publishing houses really do add value (in the form of marketing so that you can reach your potential audience, at the very least) but I wish you good fortune regardless.

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    19. Re:Only sort of DRM free? by Ira+Sponsible · · Score: 1

      That actually made me crack a smile. Thanks.

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    20. Re:Only sort of DRM free? by Ira+Sponsible · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I would like the marketing effort a big publishing house can provide, but for first-time authors, they rarely risk much effort to promote them. It's a complete crapshoot, unless you have a friend on the inside (or a very good agent) with some influence, which I don't. In my situation, it's kind of a wash. For subsequent books, I can show sales figures and reader reviews for this one to support a pitch to a publisher. And who knows, if this one actually takes off (I have better chances winning the lottery, I know), I can ignore the big publishing houses altogether and keep a much bigger slice of the pie than they typically offer. I have a real job that pays pretty good, so I can afford to play it this way. Thank you for having a look at my book, if you do end up liking it, or you think of someone else you think will enjoy it, let them know.

      One thing I wanted to mention in my previous post was that the eBook price for the HP books is higher than the print price. Really, WTF is up with that? Why do the big publishers think this is a good idea? It makes no sense. We already have all the HP books in either paperback or hardcover, and we also have multiple eBook capable devices, but we're not going to pay that much extra to get the eBook version, even though it's my preferred reading medium. Oh, well, I guess that's only one lost sale to them. There's probably plenty of other more avid fans of the series who are willing to pay up, but I'm seeing a lot of complaints about the high price they want. DRM free is win, but the high price is lose.

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  2. good on her by hguorbray · · Score: 3, Insightful

    it will take authors of her stature to claw back some author's rights back from apple and the publishers

    I'm just sayin'

    1. Re:good on her by hguorbray · · Score: 4, Informative

      yeah, except for giving apple 30% off the top and not being able to offer the book for less anywhere else...

      which means they have lost the right to discretionary pricing and possibly from offering the book for free...

      I'm just sayin'

    2. Re:good on her by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      it will take authors of her stature to claw back some author's rights back from apple and the publishers

      That's a ridiculous statement. What rights have authors lost specifically to Apple? All available evidence indicated Apple would prefer that DRM be removed from media.

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    3. Re:good on her by Colonel+Korn · · Score: 1

      it will take authors of her stature to claw back some author's rights back from apple and the publishers

      That's a ridiculous statement. What rights have authors lost specifically to Apple? All available evidence indicated Apple would prefer that DRM be removed from media.

      They lost the right to sell the books at a reasonable price. People on Slashdot keep forgetting that the iBookstore or whatever it's called came along with negotiations that contractually forced Amazon to raise ebook prices by >50%.

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    4. Re:good on her by AdrianKemp · · Score: 1, Troll

      They in no way lose any of that "right".

      What they lose is the "right" to charge less for it in other places, they can offer it free on iBooks just as they do elsewhere. You can change prices anytime you like.

      Apple is doing a substantial amount of legwork for free (yes, free, even if you never actually sell a copy) and they don't want people getting the advertising and such from iBooks but encouraging people to direct-buy it for 20% less.

    5. Re:good on her by geekoid · · Score: 4, Informative

      30% is comes out of the publisher.

      "not being able to offer the book for less anywhere else"
      and that's just false.

      return of the king
      Apple: 9.99
      http://itunes.apple.com/us/book/the-return-of-the-king/id503026877?mt=11

      Google: 8.51
      https://play.google.com/store/books/details/John_Ronald_Reuel_Tolkien_The_Return_Of_The_King?id=WZ0f_yUgc0UC&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwyLDEsImJvb2stV1owZl95VWdjMFVDIl0.
      That's just one example.

      Stop 'Just sayin' and start thinking for yourself.

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    6. Re:good on her by geekoid · · Score: 1

      And you seem to forget that was a lie.

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    7. Re:good on her by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      However an Author of her Status (and money in the bank) really has little to fear from rogue pirating and distribution issues.

      The average author is not making a living off their books, at best they are paying for lunch. So every pirated book counts for much larger percentages of their revenue.

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    8. Re:good on her by guspasho · · Score: 1

      What exactly do they do that could possibly be described as "substantial legwork"?

    9. Re:good on her by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it doesn't, because it's been demonstrated repeatedly that pirated books do not actually reduce revenue at all, and raise it in many cases.

    10. Re:good on her by tlhIngan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They lost the right to sell the books at a reasonable price. People on Slashdot keep forgetting that the iBookstore or whatever it's called came along with negotiations that contractually forced Amazon to raise ebook prices by >50%.

      No, that's not an author right they lost. They gained that right with Apple's agency model.

      Otherwise what happened was Amazon was selling books at a loss (to them) in an effort to drive out everyone else from selling e-books. The publishers and authors had no right to say what price Amazon could sell at. So if Amazon decided your books were worth $1, sure they could be paying you $3 for each copy, but you won't be able to sell your next book for any more than $0.50 per copy as everyone thinks your book is only worth $1.

      As well, Sony/B&N/Kobo won't be able to compete and exit the e-book market (if they have to pay $3 per book and Amazon's big enough to dump it at $1...), leaving Amazon the only player in town.

      Amazon went for the wholesale model - they bought N books for $X, and sold it for $Y (X and Y have no general relation, though Y > X for a profit). Apple went with the agency model - the publisher sets the price, and Apple sells it for that price.

      Consumers love the wholesale model - books are cheaper and get discounted, though publishers hate it (devalues the book) as do authors. If you want to see this in action, check out developer complaints about 99 cent games making it hard for other developers to charge $4.99 for games (better ones, of course) and such.

      Of course, Amazon could be devaluing the market to be the only contender (Amazon's Kindle store is the largest after all) and with the DRM, once you're locked in and the other stores are gone, Amazon is free to jack up prices.

    11. Re:good on her by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (Posting AC because I'm at work)

      yeah, except for giving apple 30% off the top...

      People keep bringing this up as a bad thing. Let me explain something to you - 30% is NOTHING compared to doing everything on your own. If you think 30% is a problem, try doing it all - everything that Apple offers as part of their service - yourself and see how much of a percentage that turns out to be in the end. You'll start viewing giving up 30% as a godsend! Trust me.

    12. Re:good on her by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By "of her stature", you mean shitty authors who write poorly about stupid shit for twelve year olds?

    13. Re:good on her by hguorbray · · Score: 3, Insightful

      nevertheless, apple and the big 4 publishers are under antitrust investigation in both the US and Europe over price fixing and collusion, which may or may not benefit the author, but certainly hurts the consumer

      http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/03/08/us_justice_dept_apple_ebooks/

      http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/03/13/apple_ebooks_cases_cost/

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    14. Re:good on her by rwv · · Score: 2

      I imagine that hosting an online store that does supply management with integrated order processing and fulfillment isn't something you consider trivial?

    15. Re:good on her by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What? All the author had to do was write the book. The publisher has to do actual work.

    16. Re:good on her by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is incorrect. An author can sell a book in the iBookstore and sell the same book on any other ebook store at any price they choose. I have done this as have other authors I know.

    17. Re:good on her by AdrianKemp · · Score: 0

      I see the idiot brigade is out (both your comment and the down mod)

      Sales, Marketing, Distribution, DRM to name the major few things they do.

      How many successful authors do you know that did all of that themselves (specifically before being published and getting rich)?

    18. Re:good on her by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      supply management

      LOL. I guess if we don't manage those killobites we'll end up megahurtz, huh?

      The rest of the post is spot on (bandwidth, site design, credit card processing aren't cheap), but I'm still giggling about managing a supply of electrons.

    19. Re:good on her by ynp7 · · Score: 1

      Are you aware that DRM on Amazon's Kindle Store is an option selected by publishers?

    20. Re:good on her by Daniel+Phillips · · Score: 1

      yeah, except for giving apple 30% off the top and not being able to offer the book for less anywhere else...

      Wow, that sure does sound like price fixing.

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    21. Re:good on her by madhi19 · · Score: 1

      Apple rules only apply to authors who don't sell bazillion of books. The Tolkien estate and Rowling have the clout to set their own rules.

    22. Re:good on her by guspasho · · Score: 1

      I asked for substantial legwork. Everything you cited is nearly completely automated in the iTunes store, except for maybe a few mouse clicks and drags, and a few graphics in special cases, and certainly none qualify as "substantial legwork". Idiot brigade indeed.

    23. Re:good on her by AdrianKemp · · Score: 1

      Wow, you really are that dumb...

      Well then there's no helping you.

      I'll tell you what, you set up a system equivalent to iTunes and then let me know how much legwork it is. Or you could stop being a retard about things you know nothing of.

  3. Yay and boo? by JustSomeProgrammer · · Score: 0, Troll

    I agree with the DRM free part, but why do I have to be redirected to Pottermore? I don't want my financial details all over the place.

    1. Re:Yay and boo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Then just pirate it. Don't be such a whiner.

    2. Re:Yay and boo? by cpu6502 · · Score: 1

      Yeah good solution. Personally I downloaded all 7 books four years ago! I didn't feel like waiting for the movies to be released, or the ebooks, and just went straight to the scanned copies off isohunt, in order to learn how the story ended

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    3. Re:Yay and boo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then just pirate it. Don't be such a whiner.

      So, you're saying be an @ss, not a whiner... If you don't want your financial details spread, use a gift card (mastercard or visa) and pay for it.

  4. Now if only the price was more competitive... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Going the DRM-free route is truly surprising and appreciated, but it's tainted by the eBooks all being more expensive than the paperback versions. That's a hard sell for a lot of people. :-/

      I know the industry's fear that if they price ebooks too low then people will stop buying printed books altogether and blah, blah, blah... I'm ok with that. There will almost always be some desire for printed material, but digital distribution just makes way too much sense to be held back for long.

    1. Re:Now if only the price was more competitive... by vlm · · Score: 1

      There will almost always be some desire for printed material

      It'll be like music CDs. In 2012 music you buy for yourself comes from legal or illegal sources online. I haven't bought a music CD for myself in about a decade. However, on christmas morning, birthday parties, etc, music cds are still being unwrapped...

      In the future, you may never own a book that did not arrive in wrapping paper... but you'll still get at least some books. Just like music CDs now.

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    2. Re:Now if only the price was more competitive... by icebike · · Score: 1

      Going the DRM-free route is truly surprising and appreciated, but it's tainted by the eBooks all being more expensive than the paperback versions. That's a hard sell for a lot of people. :-/

       

      I agree that going DRM free was a surprise, especially from JKR, who has long been very much adverse to ebook releases, often citing piracy as one of her objections. Apparently once you are filthy rich its not such an issue any more.

      As for the Ebooks being more expensive, this too may fall, because until Apple got involved with ebooks, it didn't use to be that way. Books in Ebook format used to be 5 to 7 bucks, 9 bucks for a best seller. Then Apple enabled the publishers to adopt their so called Agency Model, and all the ebook prices jumped. Everybody else had no choice but to go along. The DOJ is currently looking into this, and in fact there are already indications that some publishers are quietly talking settlement.

      Because of Apple's well placed friends, it took an EU Investigation to nudge the DOJ into action.

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    3. Re:Now if only the price was more competitive... by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 1

      The cost of the paper and distribution are minuscule. The vast majority of the RRP on a book is author's fee, proofreading, editing, marketing, artwork, layout etc etc. Given that layout is more difficult in an eBook, and that some of these jobs have to be done several times if you want to offer more than one format, and eBooks can cost more to distribute than paper books.

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    4. Re:Now if only the price was more competitive... by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

      Not finding that to be true anymore. The last three programming books I bought for the Kindle app were at least 25% less then the print version, and these were recent (within the last year) releases. Could be better, but it seems to be trending downward. I'd like to see them implement a system where we could get free upates for various errata, much like software patches, especially in technical books were an error in the wrong spot can leave you baffled for quite a while.

    5. Re:Now if only the price was more competitive... by 0123456 · · Score: 2

      The vast majority of the RRP on a book is author's fee

      I believe you meant to say 'retailer's profit' and 'publisher's profit'.

      Authors typically get around 10% of the price of a book, if they're lucky; and 15% of that will go to their agent. A full-price book sale probably gets the retailer 30-50% (which is why they can sell at 40% off and still make money).

      Given that layout is more difficult in an eBook

      Uh, what? Most e-book formats are just a zipped HTML file which support a limited subset of HTML. And there are no returns to worry about either.

    6. Re:Now if only the price was more competitive... by Firehed · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, please explain to me how distributing an eBook could in any world be more expensive than mailing around paper. Unless it's delivered 160 bytes at a time via 25-cent text messages... no.

      The rest of the costs, sure. But distribution? I think not.

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    7. Re:Now if only the price was more competitive... by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 1

      It isn't - it's just that the additional cost is minor, and there are extra costs to producing an eBook, like paying somebody to do the layout - most publishers have people who specialise in print media, they either have to retrain or hire extra staff to deal with reformatting the text for eBooks. It's not a trivial issue, you can't (yet) just click on "export as eBooks in various formats, with different DRM at the distributor's request".

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    8. Re:Now if only the price was more competitive... by ynp7 · · Score: 1

      Uh, what? Most e-book formats are just a zipped HTML file which support a limited subset of HTML. And there are no returns to worry about either.

      Uh, what? Amazon lets you return a Kindle ebook within 7 days of purchase.

  5. So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Most authors don't have the sort of clout and fan base that J.K Rowling has. Amazon is willing to redirect because it will not piss off the massive numbers if they didn't AND they might be able to get in some additional sales by suggesting some Harry Potter swag that they do sell.

    If you're an author with a smaller fan base (the 99%), Amazon would simply laugh and not do business with you or try or dupe you into signing some controlling publisher agreement.

  6. Do you shop at just one brick and mortar? by Picass0 · · Score: 1

    You spread your financial details all over the place in the real world. It's just as unavoidable over time on the web.

    1. Re:Do you shop at just one brick and mortar? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How do I spread my financial details at a brick and mortar? If I buy a $20 book at a brick and mortar, I do hand over a financial document with a name and picture on it, but the name and picture are of former US president Andrew Jackson. I don't mention that's not really my name, and nobody has ever made an issue of it.

    2. Re:Do you shop at just one brick and mortar? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then let me say thank you. Thank you for doing your part to keep Diebold in business after their voting machines were shown to be unreliable and borderline fraudulent.

      The rest of the world, however, puts a nonzero value on convenience and the ability to easily shop for goods and services outside our respective home cities.

    3. Re:Do you shop at just one brick and mortar? by vlm · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How do I spread my financial details at a brick and mortar? If I buy a $20 book at a brick and mortar, I do hand over a financial document with a name and picture on it, but the name and picture are of former US president Andrew Jackson. I don't mention that's not really my name, and nobody has ever made an issue of it.

      A majority of people don't pay cash. Even 20 years ago when I was working retail while going to school, people hand over their credit card to a minor who more or less can't be seriously prosecuted, and almost all of the time, nothing bad happens. Having worked both sides, I used to laugh at people who were "scared of the internet" in the 90s, as if a "rich computer guy" like myself is more likely to skim their records than a 16 year old waitress.

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    4. Re:Do you shop at just one brick and mortar? by JustSomeProgrammer · · Score: 1

      Most brick and mortar don't have a database where they store my financial information with an easy web portal to target it. Some might, but the credit card and user records from Walmart.com aren't the same ones as Walmart brick and mortar. I can't go to Walmart use a credit card there then sign in to Walmart.com to use the same card. And I'm pretty sure for brick and mortar there isn't a user record unless I have a club membership card.

    5. Re:Do you shop at just one brick and mortar? by DeadCatX2 · · Score: 1

      No, it's not just as unavoidable. You can't hand someone cash over the web. Transactions are stored in databases that are attached to Internet-facing websites that can be SQL-injected, etc.

      The only people who have my credit card are the bill companies that automatically hit my account once a month, gas stations, Steam, Newegg, and Amazon. No one else knows my CC. If I can't get it through one of those retailers...I don't get it.

      I am the only person who touches my debit card. No one walks away with it. If I don't swipe it personally, I don't give them my debit card.

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    6. Re:Do you shop at just one brick and mortar? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      A number of brick and mortars have been tracking users based on payment type so that if you use a credit card, they'll have a file on you, membership or not.

    7. Re:Do you shop at just one brick and mortar? by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      This. Assume anywhere your personal data is used that its being tracked by metrics. Even if they dont do anything with the data, its trivial to collect it, just in case.

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    8. Re:Do you shop at just one brick and mortar? by IAmGarethAdams · · Score: 1

      Do you also verify where every debit card reader is physically connected, and audit that none of the electronics are malicious and skimming your data? link

    9. Re:Do you shop at just one brick and mortar? by DeadCatX2 · · Score: 1

      Well, the local grocery store isn't going to let me poke around their electronics. And for good reason; if they let just anyone poke around then they could also get compromised pretty easily.

      That said, I keep an eye out for skimmers and other devices that are attached to the reader. And I always visit the same grocery store, which is pretty much the only place my debit card is used. Again, my financial info is not just scattered all around, and I rather like it that way, which is why I hate when any new service pops up that demands my info.

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    10. Re:Do you shop at just one brick and mortar? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Yup, they aren't allowed to store the credit card number, but they can store an irreversible hash of it as an identifier, or just use the name on the card (which comes with billing zip code).

    11. Re:Do you shop at just one brick and mortar? by muckracer · · Score: 1

      > You can't hand someone cash over the web.

      That is, in fact, the single-most important shortcoming of the much-touted 'e-commerce'. What would I give to have in-browser pre-loaded wallet (let's say, 20 bucks), where I could instantly buy something off a web site...without having to register first, type my address and all that other cumbersome and privacy-invading nonsense. Imagine a TRUE one-click purchase via instant anonymous e-cash transfer! The way we buy things...and the way people sell things...would change dramatically. But only, if the pricing is correct...which it will be eventually, when artists (among others) can sell directly and get ALL the proceeds without middlemen-skimmers a la Apple, Record companies, Publishing houses etc.pp..

  7. Who needs DRM by StatureOfLiberty · · Score: 5, Funny

    Each book is a Horcrux. Who needs DRM restrictions? :-)

  8. A) Nothing by pla · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What Book Publishers Should Learn From Harry Potter

    They should learn form this that we wanted these 5+ years ago, preferably released simultaneously with the print version, and ideally the print versions should have included one free e-Version each.

    What will they learn from this? They'll learn that they can fake it and promote themselves as "DRM-Free" by releasing material that everyone already owns in another form (and therefore piracy doesn't much matter), which continuing to burden new releases and reference material under as onerous of a lock as they can clamp on.

  9. Funny how she went from by geekoid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Never releasing digital, to a digital release.

    And by funny, I mean money.

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    1. Re:Funny how she went from by hey! · · Score: 3

      So? Is it evil to like money now?

      All of the Harry Potter books are within what would be a reasonable copyright term, so she's entitled to maximize the money she makes from them. It makes perfect sense to hold back the eBooks until the hardcopy sales dropped, and she's done the right thing here, which is not to penalize legitimate users of the eBooks in the name of piracy prevention.

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    2. Re:Funny how she went from by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So? Is it evil to like money now?

      Look up "Seven deadly sins" and locate "Greed" :) How much money is it really worth to earn before you don't feel you have to have more? All of it?

    3. Re:Funny how she went from by Kittenman · · Score: 2
      Actually I heard recently that she's slipped from the world's billionaires list to the millionaires one, because she's given away so much to her charities. I suspect money isn't her driving force.

      Need I add, I wish more gazillionaires were as generous. How many million do you need in one lifetime, after all.

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    4. Re:Funny how she went from by praxis · · Score: 1

      Evil is a social construct that's pretty fluid between time and space. Not sure that just because greed is one of the seven deadly sins, it automatically becomes evil in the here and now. Not even sure that sinners are automatically evil, or that every sin is an evil act.

    5. Re:Funny how she went from by expatriot · · Score: 1

      Look up "I want things for free because other people have done something fantastic and made money from it and I am just sitting on my ass."

    6. Re:Funny how she went from by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      Its evil to like money to that degree. She has more then enough to live on for several lifetimes. I will never in my life understand insatiable greed. Its ok to leave money on the table if your needs are met, truly

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    7. Re:Funny how she went from by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Perhaps she decided she needed more money to give away.

      Apparently, she donated ~$160 million to charity this past year, and fell off Forbes' Billionaire list as a result.

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    8. Re:Funny how she went from by mischmasch55 · · Score: 1

      She should know this best, before the books she could barely make ends meet. This is why she has chosen to donate all profits from the last few books to charities.

    9. Re:Funny how she went from by NateWhilk · · Score: 1

      Look up "Seven deadly sins" and locate "Greed" :) How much money is it really worth to earn before you don't feel you have to have more? All of it?

      Look up "Seven deadly sins" and locate "Envy" :) How much money can another person earn before you feel they shouldn't have more? $1 million?

    10. Re:Funny how she went from by Opyros · · Score: 2

      I don't have a link handy, but I've read that Rowling changed her mind about ebooks after she herself got a Kindle and became an enthusiast.

    11. Re:Funny how she went from by Trahloc · · Score: 1

      Sounds like spire3661 would rather have gotten the books for free than allowed her to donate her money to charities.

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  10. digital spell: by Krau+Ming · · Score: 2

    Alohomora DRM!

  11. Price still too high by sanosuke001 · · Score: 1

    DRM free and all that is great, but they're still asking $7.99 for the kindle version on Amazon vs. $8.79 for the paperback version. It does not cost them eight bucks to send me a 300kb file...

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    1. Re:Price still too high by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

      I think maybe this is why there is no DRM restrictions, she will have made so much money from the sale of the virtual book from legal copies, that the illegal ones will havebeen paid for...I think this is why they are selling as expensive as the paper back versions....just my opinion...

    2. Re:Price still too high by The+Good+Reverend · · Score: 2

      It doesn't cost them $8.79 to print a book, either. What's your point?

    3. Re:Price still too high by Tmann72 · · Score: 1

      Sure it doesn't cost them $7.99 to give you the file. It's called royalties, web hosting, and any other number of fee's tacked on. See that $1.79 you save compared to print? That's what you saved for downloading it, and a tree. It's actually cheaper than the print copy for once. Do you honestly expect the months of writing a book to be distilled down to simply the cost of downloading it? Get real.

    4. Re:Price still too high by epedersen · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, it costs them $0.80 to print and send you a papterback version. The cost of the content is what you are paying $7.99 for.

    5. Re:Price still too high by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They can price it at anything they wish; no one is compelled to buy it. But given that it's DRM free, I'll gladly buy it if I want it badly enough. Ms. Rowling is respecting our rights and I in turn respect hers.

    6. Re:Price still too high by Desler · · Score: 1

      No it doesn't, but then the price is not made up purely of distribution and replication costs.

    7. Re:Price still too high by bws111 · · Score: 1

      So what? How does the cost to the producer affect the value to the consumer? If they produced a book where every letter of your copy was hand-written by a graphic artist, would you pay thousands of dollars for it just because it cost that much to make?

      Assuming you have a job, how much did it 'cost' you to work today? Practically nothing - just enough nutrition to keep you alive and functioning for the day. Bet you happily accept more than a few cents for a day of work though.

    8. Re:Price still too high by Zumbs · · Score: 1
      Believe it or not ... the main cost of publishing a book is not the actual printing. Author Charles Stross has a quite interesting series on the subject here. A few quotes:

      Overall, the process of turning a manuscript into a book is estimated to cost $7000-$20,000 — an amount comparable to the author's likely earnings from the book. In fact, the actual division of labour on a book is split roughly 50/50 between the author and the publisher.

      and

      In particular, about 80-90% of the cover price of a book has nothing to do with the paper and ink object you buy in a shop; indeed, using current production standards, ebook production requires nearly as much work as paper book production.

      Yes, yes, I know that they already have made their initial investment back an obscene number of times, but that is a different matter.

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    9. Re:Price still too high by Zumbs · · Score: 1

      Somehow the link got foobar'ed. Here it is:

      http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2010/04/common-misconceptions-about-pu-1.html

      My apologies.

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    10. Re:Price still too high by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Learn this lesson, and learn it well: Price != Cost. Price=Cost+Profit.

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    11. Re:Price still too high by cpu6502 · · Score: 1

      The point is electronic versions don't have snail-mail shipping costs, and should be cheaper. Take Fantasy&Science Fiction magazine for example:

      $36 for the print version but only $12 for the electronic version. They save money by not printing the magazine & adding postage, and those savings are passed to their e-mag readers.

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    12. Re:Price still too high by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      This is what people seem to forget. Printing a book is dirt cheap these days. You can get copies of The Bible at the dollar store, for $1. That includes printing, distribution, retail shelf space, theft and damage, retail staff, and probably a few other costs I'm forgetting. Plus I'm sure they are making quite a profit on it. They sell other books too including those romance novels. I often get books for my kids at the dollar store. The cost differential between a print book and an e-book is probably very close to 0.

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    13. Re:Price still too high by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      As has been pointed out, that's bullshit.

    14. Re:Price still too high by bws111 · · Score: 1

      Better yet, learn the real formula: Price != Cost: Price=what people are willing to pay (ie. how much value they assign to the thing)

    15. Re:Price still too high by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever hear of economies of scale? There is no way you can compare the per-unit cost of running off millions of copies of a Harry Potter book to running off a few thousand copies of some niche magazine. There is little doubt it actually costs $24 to print and individually ship the magazine, and there is little doubt that it costs only $1 to print and bulk ship the Potter books.

    16. Re:Price still too high by AnonyMouseCowWard · · Score: 1

      Actually, if they made a handwritten version of a popular book with quality ink, great binding and cotton-like high-grade paper, I'm sure some people would pay thousands for it. It costs almost that much to produce, it's only fair.

      Comparing royalties with a daily job is disingenuous. If your job is developing software, writing a book is spending 3 years of your life writing that software and then earning money on it until you die (or, rather, until you die + 70 years). The point the poster was making is not really that they _can't_ price it at their current price, but that he/she finds it too expensive, which is fine. It only means they will not buy it at that price and will either do without or find an alternative (I heard of this great "brick and mortar", old school creation called "libraries". They're amazing, it's like a video store for books and the best is it's free. Also a lot of them do have e-books now.)

      You can't argue that the e-book is _worth_ 7.99, because it depends on how much the _buyer_ values it at. For some people it's worth that much, others not. The lowest price you can go to, however, is the production price, and that is not nearly as high as eight bucks for an e-book, considering a lot of money has been made (and the cost of production paid many many times over) through the paper version already. The case would be different if it was a new book released in both paper and e-book format, as in you would have to account for publishing, editing and all.

      To me, this is more like... "look guys, remember Warcraft 2? Good shit right? How about we release it again, but like, as a download-only version with a new splash screen? I think we should make it cheaper than what we used to sell it at. Let's say $40, cheaper than the original 49.99!". You're allowed to, but I'm allowed to think you're trying to rip me off.

    17. Re:Price still too high by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      How much does it cost to print a book in London, then ship that book to a store in Chicago, pay the bills at that store necessary to support the sale to one person? How about the same incremental cost for an e-book?

    18. Re:Price still too high by Keyslapper · · Score: 1

      Never mind that, why the hell does it cost $57.54 for me to buy the ebook collection, but only $50.77 to get the paperback set? The Game of Thrones 4 book set was the same thing - something like 20% more for the ebook. What's up with that?

      I think I'm missing the whole point of ebooks here. I went and bought a very expensive little gadget so I could:
      (a) Buy more books without having to spend more money (cheaper books + old book budget = more books);
      (b) Keep more books on hand without having to raise bookshelves on the other half of my house (save space);

      Well, at least (b) still holds, but I have very little interest if it comes at the cost of (a).

      Now, sometimes I find an ebook that is considerably less than the hardcopy, and that's good, but that seems to be the exception to the rule - or more precisely, the "nobody books" and "not hyped books". The whole ebook movement is pretty good for independent authors to get their stuff out there, but even so you have to spend $20 on $1 pulp books just to get one or two decent reads. I suspect some of the more well known authors are even throwing a fair bit of chaff out there to get in on that "penny market" (See Patterson's "Witch and Wizard" for a prime example). Frankly that annoys the hell out of me.

      As for the ebooks, I'm not interested in spending more money to read it on a tablet, I already spent more money just to get the damn thing. Now the damn thing is better for playing Angry Birds or letting my son watch Phineas and Ferb than anything else.

    19. Re:Price still too high by tibit · · Score: 1

      Yep. Economies of scale and all that. A bottle of beer costs even less to make -- an order of magnitude less.

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    20. Re:Price still too high by bws111 · · Score: 1

      If they made a book like described, nobody that just wanted to read the story would pay that price. Anybody who did pay that price would be paying it because they valued the book at least that much (probably as a piece of artwork, or just to be able to show off how much money they have). Nobody would pay that price simply because if cost that much to make.

      The point of the job comparison was that the price of pretty much everything, including the price you get for doing your job, is determined by how much the 'purchaser' is willing to pay, not how much the thing cost to produce.

      The purchaser did NOT say that they find the price too high (more than the value he would get from the book), he said the price was too high because it doesn't COST that much to make. My point is that sane people do not decide that value of something by the cost to make it. The value of a book (as a story to read) does not go up just because some ridiculously expensive process was used to produce it. By the same token, the value of a book (as a story to read) does not go down just because an inexpensive process was used to produce it.

    21. Re:Price still too high by cpu6502 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      An Ebook version of Potter has ZERO shipping cost and ZERO printing cost. There's no logical reason why the last 3 ebooks should cost 2 dollars more than the print books. In fact they should be about 2 dollars cheaper.

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    22. Re:Price still too high by bws111 · · Score: 1

      Once again, cost to manufacture does not equal value. Price is set by value. Let's assume that the value of the content is the same for the ebook and the paper book. Now, what additional value do you get by having the paper book? For some people, there is some value in that. For many people, there is no value in having the paper. What value do you get from NOT having a paper book? What value do you get from being able to carry your entire collection with you? What value do you get from being able to decide to buy a book at 3AM Sunday morning and start reading it seconds later?

      Since the ebooks that are priced higher than the paper books do sell (or else they would lower the price), it appears that many (most?) people value the benefits of an ebook more than the value a paper book.

    23. Re:Price still too high by bws111 · · Score: 1

      Why should they be cheaper? They COULD be cheaper, but why SHOULD they? There is a perfectly logical reason that the ebooks cost 2 dollars more than the print books - people are willing to pay it!

    24. Re:Price still too high by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      That's not the real formula. camperdave had a correct formula: price = cost + profit.

      You formula describes something else, and is incorrect anyway (since different people will value the good differently). If you want to correctly state your formula, you'd need a bunch of qualifiers, and it would be much wordier. I'll paraphrase is as Price = the seller's valuation of the optimal price to induce maximum profits based on the demand curve.

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    25. Re:Price still too high by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      How does the cost to the producer affect the value to the consumer?

      In the absence of a monopoly, the price of the product would be production cost + small markup. That's how everything should be priced in a Free Market. Supply/demand curves are irrrelevant with ebooks and anything with a zero cost of production in a Free Market. But copyright is incompatible with a Free Market, something I've never seen a Free Market Libertarian reconcile.

    26. Re:Price still too high by bitingduck · · Score: 1

      In large print quantities, that's true. In smaller print quantities for books from independent publishers the printing and distribution can be a significant expense, and it's also sunk cost. E-book avoids tying up a bunch of your money in printed copies that may or may not move.

    27. Re:Price still too high by cpu6502 · · Score: 1

      Well this person (and several other persons) is not willing. If I'm going to pay the same as the paperback, then I'll buy the paperback. Something I can hold, keep forever without fear of amazon erasing it from my kindle, and eventually selling it for cash (if I get bored with it).

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    28. Re:Price still too high by bws111 · · Score: 1

      The problem with that formula is that it is backwards. For consumer goods, you start with a price point and work backwards from there. Start with the price, subtract your expected profit, and that determines the maximum cost you can afford. If you can lower your cost, profit goes up. If your product doesn't sell, you lower the price and profit goes down. If the sales exceed expectations you can raise the price and profit goes up. You never start with a cost, add some profit figure, and set the price according to that. This is of course from a producers point of view. Retailers do use the cost+profit method, but the cost portion has already been determined by the producer using the above method.

    29. Re:Price still too high by Keyslapper · · Score: 1

      I disagree that these formulas from the physical publishing world hold in the digital publishing world. I think the crusty ol' brick-n-mortar publishers still haven't got a handle on how this should work. And price is never set by value, it's set by what the market will bear, which is not always the same thing. Value is a personal factor on the part of the consumer, market price is supposed to be somewhere in the sweet spot of the bell curve of valuation by the target audience.

      Regardless, I can't make myself believe that the digital copy of a story is worth more than the physical copy. I don't care what the publishing costs are or what the perceived quality of the stories are or Rowling's (or any author's) skill - or lack thereof as a writer. These books are not more valuable in digital format than in physical format because I cannot sell copies. I also cannot easily lend my copy to another person like I could with a physical book. I still believe that if anyone were doing anything right, the cost of a digital book would be lower and the profit higher.

      If the cost were lower, I'd be more inclined to buy them, even though I have the hard copies in my home. I wouldn't be tempted to pirate them and justify that by saying I deserve it because I have the hard copy. I'd be less inclined to get pissed off that the only work left to do with this book is marketing and server costs, and the price goes up. And whatever you say, there are no more publishing costs other than building that first digital copy, which was probably done well before the original physical publish date. Hell, most books are never even put to paper until the manuscript is done these days. Those publishing costs have been paid, and then some. The only costs left to consider are marketing and delivery (server costs) and the "personalization" tags mentioned throughout this thread that link your copy to you. You can't tell me this costs more than $7 for every copy of the box set. If so, someone is getting shellacked, and passing that cost downstream.

      That doesn't mean that Rowling and the publishers shouldn't continue to make a profit - they should. Whether she - or anyone else - "needs" the money is not relevant in a capitalist society, whatever anyone says. It just means that either they're starting to gouge the market or they're really doing something wrong in their digital market campaign.

      I'll almost certainly continue buying ebooks, but I won't buy them if it's cheaper for me to get a hard copy dropped at my door. I'm not an instant gratification freak either, so I can wait if I need to. And if I decide I don't want to wait, I can just run down to the local B&N and use my membership discount to make it even cheaper.

      Funny that membership discount doesn't apply to ebooks, eh?

    30. Re:Price still too high by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      Start with the price, subtract your expected profit, and that determines the maximum cost you can afford

      Not how it works from what I've seen and studied.

      The optimal price point is a function of the demand curve, your unit cost, and your fixed cost. If you price in the manner you've suggested, you're ignoring your fixed costs.

      Really, this is microeconomics 101 (and pricing 101).

      You never start with a cost, add some profit figure, and set the price according to that.

      Right. And that's not what I wrote. I wrote that price is equal to that at which the seller's maximized profit based on the demand curve (usually at or near one of the ideal price points). You say to start with the price -- but how are you arriving at the price? Pulling it out of thin air?

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    31. Re:Price still too high by bws111 · · Score: 1

      To me, "what the market will bear" is exactly the same as the consensus of value.

      You obviously don't value ebooks the same as the consensus value. That is your prerogative, but it does not mean that the consensus is wrong.

      You say that if the price were lower they would sell more and the profit would be higher. But is that realistic? If they dropped the price from $8 to $7, would that entice you to buy the ebook? They would need to increase sales almost 15% just to make the SAME money. But I suspect most of the people complaining about the price in relation to the cost would still complain just as much if the price were only $7. So how low do they have to make the price to get all of these 'price should reflect cost' people to buy? Drop the price to $1? They would have to then sell 8 times as many books to make the SAME money. It is just not realistic in any way.

      You say you don't care what the publishing costs are, then go on to say how low the costs are, etc. So obviously you DO care what the costs are.

      The prices are what they are because enough people are willing to pay that price, exactly like every other non-essential consumer good. Couldn't get any simpler than that.

    32. Re:Price still too high by c0d3g33k · · Score: 1

      Because the stock answer given to justify the cost of goods and services is that the costs of production (raw materials etc). factor in to the final price. That's why statements like: "If you do , that cost will just be passed along to the customer" are common. What that statement suggests to most people is when the cost of doing business decreases, those savings will be passed along to the customer as well. Swallowing that bitter pill is much less appealing when the explanation is "I just want more money" as opposed to "my costs went up, I have to charge more to break even". Since the current IP rights system encourages monopoly behavior (and the perpetual copyright rightsholder is a monopoly), there is no competitor to turn to when "I want to swim in pools of money like Uncle Scrooge" is the only justification for pricing.

    33. Re:Price still too high by Keyslapper · · Score: 1

      Well, I think "what the market will bear" is supposed to be the consensus of value, or at least a best reasonable estimate of what the consensus of the target market is. Not sure if that's really clear on what I mean, so feel free to ignore that ...

      I don't really care what the publishing costs are, but I do understand they have an impact on cost. I just don't believe the cost continues to be as high as the price suggests. And I do understand that dropping the price by a buck means they have to sell more to make the same money, but I don't think they're at that sweet spot where adjusting the price either way would negatively affect actual profits. I could be wrong, but if I thought that were the case, I wouldn't have got on here to rant.

      And on your last point, I think I agree, but I don't think simply charging the most you can get anyone to pay is the way to market an easily replicated product like a digital copy of anything - like an ebook I download myself - with no physical media whatsoever - like a DVD or CD. Setting the cost better than any competing product, but still somewhere in that bell curve of valuation will get the most copies sold. Given that the "competing product" here is the hard copy, and they price the ebook higher than the physical copy, I have to conclude that they don't want people to buy the ebook instead of the hard copy. They want the die hard ebook fans to buy them in addition to the hard copy. And you are correct - I'm not nearly that big a fan.

    34. Re:Price still too high by bws111 · · Score: 1

      I didn't say 'unit cost', I said 'cost'. That is all cost, fixed and unit.

      Except for 'money is no object' types of things (of which there are none in mass-market consumer goods) you ALWAYS start with a budget. If you don't have a budget costs will spiral out of control and you will either have a product no-one can afford, or you will go out of business before even getting your product to market. To determine your budget, you need to know what your expected income is. To know what your expected income is you need to know your expected sales volume and the price you are selling at. Which brings us back to: price comes first.

      You arrive at that price point with market research, etc. If there are existing similar products then the price point has pretty much been set already. If there are no similar products, you make your best attempt at guessing what the market will bear. Many times this works, sometimes it results in spectacular failure. There is no point in designing a new tablet that has a $2000 BOM cost, because nobody will buy it. The price point for tablets has already been set in the $500-600 range. People are not going to be willing to pay more than that just because your BOM cost is so high.

      This, of course, also applies outside of the consumer mass-market. For instance, if you want a house built the FIRST thing you are going to be asked is how much you want to spend (the price point). Everything else is based on that.

    35. Re:Price still too high by Colonel+Korn · · Score: 1

      As has been pointed out, that's bullshit.

      Of course I was modded flamebait and of course some AC who asserted that factual, recent history is a myth was modded up. However, that doesn't change the fact that I'm right. Here's one of many links to related stories: http://apple.slashdot.org/story/10/04/30/2251220/apple-raises-e-book-prices-for-everyone

      I'm amazed at how quickly people forget that Apple screwed over all ebook buyers as part of their entry into the market.

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    36. Re:Price still too high by Colonel+Korn · · Score: 1

      Hey, I got modded down for simply stating recent, widely known history in which Apple directly hurt every ebook customer on the planet. But I have karma to burn and an interest in fighting the RDF, so check I'll bring it up again and this time link to one of the many times we've discussed this on Slashdot: http://apple.slashdot.org/story/10/04/30/2251220/apple-raises-e-book-prices-for-everyone

      If any late mods come upon this, please mod it up. We shouldn't ever forget what Apple did.

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    37. Re:Price still too high by bws111 · · Score: 1

      The cost of production figures into the minimum price the seller is willing to sell it for. The maximum price is what the market will bear. If you don't think the value you get from a product is worth the price asked, don't buy it. If people think the price is too high, they don't buy it. If the seller thinks the price is too low, he doesn't sell it. Neither party is in any way obligated to buy or sell against their wishes.

      How very insightful that 'the current IP rights system encourages monopoly behavior'. I mean, it's not like it says right in the Constitution "... Authors and Inventors have Exclusive Rights to their Respective Writings and Discoveries". Of course it's a monopoly, it is SUPPOSED to be.

      Judging by the number of people on here who say real books are much more valuable then ebooks because 'I can give it away/sell it when I am done reading it' there must be millions of copies of these books available cheap or free or at the library. There is your competition.

    38. Re:Price still too high by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, actually I'm not. In fact that overcharging encourages many to decide that they're being ripped off, and that they'll just go take it anyway.

  12. Yes, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will it teach Web publishers that HTML tags don't work in RSS feeds?

  13. DRM Free? It's like Magic! by snookerhog · · Score: 1

    *ducks*

  14. Re:A) Nothing by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    Exactly. We bought all of these as they came out in print (for my daughter - I think they're drivel). We're not going to pay for the electronic versions, even though they'd be nice to have.

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  15. Why not give us the direct link? by cpu6502 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Why link from Slashdot's summary to some other linkfarm's summary? Grrr. DIRECT link -

    http://paidcontent.org/article/419-you-can-buy-the-harry-potter-e-books-now/
    By Laura Hazard Owen

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    1. Re:Why not give us the direct link? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hahaha. That's funny. The direct link is to the spam-content-farm "paidcontent". (Paid content is another of those shitty sites where dumbass house-wives write "articles" about every random stupid piece of crap out there for which they are not qualified, in the hope that filling up the spam-content-farm will somehow earn them some money. They're even dumber than ehow and mahallo).

    2. Re:Why not give us the direct link? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http.//www.swordshop.com

  16. International translators V. Potter Franchise by Nurki · · Score: 2

    I just read this post today, and it shows how the Warner Bros. bullied the translators of the Potter books. No wonder Amazon gave in, they were probably bullied as well.

  17. It is good to see the artist in control by cryfreedomlove · · Score: 1

    Distributors come and go, but mankind's demand for the art of the story is enduring. This is one more iteration of the chain of distributors that started with cave painters.

    Nurture the artists. They are life.

  18. No DRM but has tracking by cpu6502 · · Score: 4, Informative

    They call it watermarking, but it's tracking by any other name. "The Pottermore Shop personalises eBooks with a combination of watermarking techniques that relate to the book, to the purchaser and the purchase time. This allows us to track and respond to possible copyright misuse."

    So don't copy the floppy..... er, book to your friends.

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    1. Re:No DRM but has tracking by Transkaren · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And the problem with this - assuming it doesn't interfere with the function of the book in any way - is what exactly? It's like a registered serial number - it's *your* copy. Quite honestly, it's probably the single best copy protection method out there - both from an enforcement ("See this? It's yours") and rights (But make backups and change formats as much as you want) way.

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    2. Re:No DRM but has tracking by cpu6502 · · Score: 1

      Nothing's wrong with it, so long as it doesn't put anything visible (like Macrovision did on some VCRs) that would degrade the quality.

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    3. Re:No DRM but has tracking by Hogwash+McFly · · Score: 5, Funny

      "I don't understand potions", said Ron gloomily.
      "You don't understand anything!" said Hermione snootily.
      "Cut it out, you two. I'm trying to watch the Quidditch", said John Thompson, the twenty eight year old living at 17 Acacia Avenue, Surrey, credit card number 5753100085692323.

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    4. Re:No DRM but has tracking by barc0001 · · Score: 1

      And does this watermarking survive being converted to other formats through Calibre or other similar software people use to manage their e-readers? I doubt it.

    5. Re:No DRM but has tracking by Red+Flayer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Except it may become problematic for assigning that copy to someone else. I'm done with it -- here, have a copy and I'll delete all my copies.

      Seems like publishers have a method of getting one of the tinhgs they want -- no "used" ebook market.

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    6. Re:No DRM but has tracking by BZWingZero · · Score: 1

      So its DRM-free but tied to a specific user. Its still possible to put it on any device you own and give copies to your friends, but when its shows up on a torrent site it can be traced back to an individual.

      Just make sure the friends you share it with don't upload it to a public place.

    7. Re:No DRM but has tracking by I+Read+Good · · Score: 1

      Steganography? That'll definitely work!

    8. Re:No DRM but has tracking by xigxag · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It could be something subtle, non-markup-language-related like inserting zero-width space characters within the text or replacing the Latin letter "O" with the identical looking Cyrillic letter "O" in a kind of individualized code. Unless you know the exact code, or someone "diffs" two copies of the text to determine what's being done, you can't strip it. And, instead of going through a lot of trouble and potential risk to get a watermark-free copy to disperse, you might as well just tell your friend to download a rip from any one of billions of websites. Hardcore pirates have used stolen credit cards anyway, so they're not going to care about some silly watermark.

      Although, I suspect we will soon be finding out what happens when Amazon et al add a term to their license saying that you agree to allow them to automatically delete any books from their, er, your device that have an "invalid" watermark, meaning anyone's watermark but yours.

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    9. Re:No DRM but has tracking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      5753100085692323

      That's the number on my luggage!

    10. Re:No DRM but has tracking by Transkaren · · Score: 1

      So what you're saying is that there is a benefit to buying a physical product instead of licensing an electronic one? Who would have thought.

      Alternatively, keep track of who you sell it to: Make them sign something and mail (separately) two copies to you, then open only one of them. There's your (datestamped) proof of sale. Or use some other convoluted scheme. What it comes down to is that the publisher is in no way required to go out of their way to make it easier for you to sell your copy of the book: They can if they want, but it's not required.

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    11. Re:No DRM but has tracking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Used goods only works in the physical world. There is really no similarity, it is like comparing copyright infringement with theft, two very different things.

      You cannot have a used e-book market (without DRM), as the used book is by definition a copy, with DRM you could potentially transfer the license. The only thing DRM is good for is to allow you to rent stuff or borrow e-books books from the libraries.

      Better to have no DRM and no used e-book market than to have DRM and a used e-book market.

  19. Re:A) Nothing by sehlat · · Score: 1

    ideally the print versions should have included one free e-Version each.

    I can agree with simultaneous print-and-eBook releases. Baen's done it for over 10 years. These books should have been electronic the day they were published, instead of the publisher's snotty "I should thank they would understand that if we don't provide it, they can't have it."

    DRM-free? Heck YES! DRM is a slap-in-the-face insult to every customer.

    But the above statement is ridiculous. If I buy the hardcover, I still have to buy the paperback, which is NOT the same book. eBooks are no different. I still cheerfully pay for the paper copies from Baen *and* make a separate purchase for the electronic editions. Of course, Baen's the only publisher I do that for. Everybody else it's eBooks or nothing.

  20. Re:A) Nothing by cpu6502 · · Score: 1

    The first 3 books are drivel. The latter 4 books are pretty dark (I'm not sure children should even read them).

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  21. Power to the content creators! by guspasho · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is what ebooks are made for. Eliminating the middle-man, and letting the creators own the distribution of their own works. I hope this trend continues. I'm only too happy to buy these books knowing that the creator is getting the lion's share of the profits and not some publishing house.

  22. DRM free? So what! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm more concerned that even after a 10% reduction for buying the "boxed set" (as it were), the individual titles still come to £5.52 each, which is not too distant from the UK new paperback prices, and well adrift of prices in charity shops. If the ebooks were nearer £2 each, then perhaps I'd bite, but no. Not now.

    What publishers of all stripes must learn is that once you've milked first the hardback, then the paperback sales, people are only buying ebooks for minor convenience.

  23. They didn't learn shit by Nyder · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've already downloaded and read all the Harry Potter books. By waiting this long to release them in ebook format, they only encourage pirating of the ebooks.

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    1. Re:They didn't learn shit by expatriot · · Score: 1

      If they had released in ebook form earlier, people would have pirated it earlier. So they are ahead this way. And perhaps there are some honest people who will pay for ebooks that they do not already have.

    2. Re:They didn't learn shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you read the parent, people DID pirate it earlier. By waiting to release digital versions of the books, ONLY the pirates had access to them. Selling it sooner would have only given access to honest customers.

    3. Re:They didn't learn shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, the point was because there was no way to legally buy the ebook before, everyone who wanted to read a digital copy had to pirate it. There have been pirate ebooks of the Potter series out for years. All they've done is prevented people from giving them money until now.

    4. Re:They didn't learn shit by am+2k · · Score: 1

      To be fair, back when the Harry Potter series started, ebooks weren't on anyone's mind at all. There was simply no market for that.

  24. She's part of the problem by Das+Auge · · Score: 1

    It's clear that J.K. Rowling is part of the piracy problem.

    1. Re:She's part of the problem by youn · · Score: 1

      I believe her books are about wizards, not pirates :)

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  25. Re:A) Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I agree, but the series was exceptional and certainly not drivel.

    From this thread and numerous others here on /. I'm left wondering what readers here will pay for...Everything should be free.

    if everything is free, why hold a job? Why produce anything? We'll all just move back into the caves and eat weeds and kill all of the wild squirrels and deer...yeah, that'll work.

  26. Free Cheese! by Niscenus · · Score: 1

    If you want fewer features, turn them off!
    "You have to get an account first!"
    Well, tough fuckin' nuts.

    http://slashdot.org/my/preferences

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    1. Re:Free Cheese! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come on. You've been around long enough to know that was a pure troll. If the IE7 didn't make that obvious, the complaints about typos and reading the submissions should have.

  27. Re:A) Nothing by omnichad · · Score: 1

    I agree. A free e-version should be included with all physical book purchases. True, someone could just go and sell the physical book and keep the e-book, but that only counts for first-time sales. Seems that game publishers are more than happy to provide free DLC to first-time buyers - maybe this will catch on with books. I don't doubt Kindle might be around for 20 years or more, but maybe I'll move on to a different ereader before then. Therefore, I'm only willing to spend a small amount on an e-version anyway. I always want a hardcover or paperback version until there's an industry standard like MP3 or AAC, or (it pains me to say it) some universally-supported DRM like Ultraviolet for books.

  28. Re:What ./ should learn about it's own site. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What ./ should learn about it's own site

    You're on the wrong site, Pal - this isn't ./, this is /.

  29. Re:A) Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Also, they'll learn that if you're a diva, you can write your own rules and force consumers to go through your own site instead of just letting people buy what they want to buy, where they want to buy it.

  30. Not about her, about YOU by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    How much money is it really worth to earn before you don't feel you have to have more?/em.

    What a horrible, selfish, evil attitude you have.

    It should not matter if someone made zero or ten billion dollars on something. If they make something you enjoy, they should get money for it - it really is that simple. If they manage to make something wildly popular why is it a problem that a huge number of people will be rewarding them?

    It's only a problem if you are a dick who wants everything for free and artists to live in poverty.

    I myself am happy to buy the Harry Potter books, just as I am happy to buy what I can from small bands who make music I really enjoy. How much they have made in the end does not matter, to me it's only about my appreciation for well crafted art in any form.

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    1. Re:Not about her, about YOU by spire3661 · · Score: 2

      I disagree. i think that at some monetary threshold, works should enter the public domain completely. If someting becomes so culturally significant, the artist should no longer have sole control of it, for it is no longer just theirs, but society's as a whole. No art springs form the aether, no artist is wholly original.

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    2. Re:Not about her, about YOU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who sets that threshold? If the threshold is 1 Million USD, and each unit is sold for $10, the first 100,000 people paid for the work/item, the rest get it for free? How is that fair for those that paid? The current system works well enough. Your system is a race to the bottom. Don't be too good, otherwise you will lose your work, your creation. If you think it is unfair that 1 person can make so much from a single song, book, or story, then don't buy it. But, don't get an unpaid for copy either, because that wouldn't be fair to those who paid for it. Two wrongs don't make a right, and two unfairs don't make it fair either.

    3. Re:Not about her, about YOU by Trahloc · · Score: 1

      If your one work makes you a 10-100 lifetimes worth of income I think you can safely say that giving it up isn't a "hardship". Specially since the law could be written where you remain the original owner so no one but you or your heirs could write official sequels. So you can still milk the cow its just if the cow rewards you with a hundred lifetimes of fortune you give up that specific work to society. As for those who paid to give you that thousand lifetimes? They purchased a good, no one said the item they received was now worthless, only the information is no longer part of a government supported monopoly. The paper isn't suddenly free, the author isn't required to give it away, its just they can't stop people from making their own copes so it'll drive them to perhaps create additional work that they can retain ownership of and bundle it with their now public domain work. A threshold is a grand idea in my opinion, far better than the an immortal copyright "system [that] works well enough".

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  31. Re:A) Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Objection! First three were pretty good, as children's literature go. The "darker and edgier" books on the other hand were pure drivel with the last book being nothing more than a giant "take that" to the lunatic fringe (well perhaps not much of a fringe in this case, the gooey centre then if you will, of the fanbase.

  32. They have cracked the formula! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Step 1: Sell billions of dollars worth of dead-tree versions of your publication
    Step 2: Release DRM free eBooks
    Step 3: Act unfazed by piracy concerns (preferably while swimming in your existing pool of cash)

  33. Re:What ./ should learn about it's own site. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    THIS! IS! SLASHDOT!!!!!!

  34. Re:A) Nothing by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

    but the series was exceptional and certainly not drivel.

    I disagree; the series was derivative and while maybe not drivel, was far from exceptional. It was lowest-common-denominator coming-of-age fantasy. The only thing exceptional about it was its wide appeal due to its far-from-novel mechanics and themes.

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  35. Re:A) Nothing by pla · · Score: 2

    But the above statement is ridiculous. If I buy the hardcover, I still have to buy the paperback, which is NOT the same book. eBooks are no different. I still cheerfully pay for the paper copies from Baen *and* make a separate purchase for the electronic editions.

    That strikes me as a dangerous distinction to make - Would you say (and I don't mean this as a leading question) that you have the "right" to rip a DVD or CD for playback on your computer? And if at some point in the future, the studios start offering large-scale online movie purchases, would your answer change?


    From my perspective, I pay for the content, not the form factor. Yes, I may prefer different form factors for different uses (I'd rather have tech references easily searchable, and I'd rather have light-n'-fluffy fiction useable with no batteries required); but I don't buy a book because it comes in form-X; I buy it because of its information or entertainment content.
    Now, if you offered me the "plus eBook download code" version for only a buck or two more than the dead-tree-only version, I'd consider that reasonable. But to make me pay for both separately? Not interested.

    Another way to look at this - Pro-IP apologists love pointing out that the sales price of a given media-product doesn't usually have much relation to the cost of production; I would consider this almost the "You sure you want to die for that hill?" reverse case of that - Yes, it costs the publisher a bit to prep an eBook version on top of the physical one, but... So what? I don't want either/or, I want both. I'll pay a bit more for the convenience, but once I own a physical version of it, I have absolutely no qualms about how I obtain the digital one. They can take my money, or consider me an off-the-top 50% piracy rate.

  36. Re:A) Nothing by cpu6502 · · Score: 2

    Derivative from what?

    I don't really consider that a flaw. Most things are derivative from something earlier. It was an enjoyable read just like watching Stargate SG1 was enjoyable even though it was nothing new.

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  37. that's the way to go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    at last somebody releases a major title DRM-free. Went and bought it just for that, even though I already have the paper version and most of the books in e-version

  38. Baen has been doing this, for quite a while now by jdege · · Score: 2

    Baen has been doing this, for quite a while now.

    David Weber's latest in hardcover is $15.39 from Amazon.or BN.

    It's available DRM free on Baen's website for $6.00.

    And the early books in his series - as in most of the series that Baen publishes, are available free at the Baen Free Library.

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  39. Piracy is inherent in the business model by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I read the first 3 Potter books after being dragged to the theater against my will to see the 2nd movie. I have since bought the whole series in hard copy and shelled out full ticket price for all the flicks. And SBS, Rowling, and WB know how this works and LOVE piracy. It enables them to enjoy the full benefits of promotion via free distribution, while also harvesting money from "legal" electronic format downloads. As a matter of fact, "I know somebody who knows somebody" who was asked by an author to prepare and release a "pirated" copy of his latest book, without any forensic traces to tie the release to him. Why? His publisher forbids rational promotion strategies.

  40. No Queens English in the states?? wtf? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So the lame deals they made more than a decade ago still keeps me from purchasing the British English version if I'm in the states? What kind of insane buggery is this??

    Why should it matter WHAT language version I want? Bloody Hell! Grow up publishers, and get with the late 20th century already!

    (amusingly the Queens' English version is ~ a US dollar more for 4-7 so the 'locals' are being charged more for what?)

  41. What they should NOT learn by khelms · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The books may be drm free, but if you're in the US, just try and purchase the original, unedited-for-America, UK editions. You can't. The Add to Basket button is ghosted out and if you hover over the "Why can't I buy this?" link under that button you'll see.
    -

    "Why can't I add this to my basket?

    Due to publishing restrictions, this edition of the book is not available in your country. Please choose another book language."

    So, Pottermore may have bought a clue about how useless drm is, but they still don't understand that it's a global economy now and consumers won't put up with that "not available in your country/region" crap any more.

    1. Re:What they should NOT learn by mark-t · · Score: 1

      So drive on up to Canada and visit a major bookstore in one of the cities near the border.

    2. Re:What they should NOT learn by khelms · · Score: 1

      Uh, drive up to Canada and visit a bookstore there to .... download an eBook???

    3. Re:What they should NOT learn by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Oh... duh.

      (embarassed facepalm)

    4. Re:What they should NOT learn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And Canadians can't buy the US versions of the book.

  42. why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why cant buy it in canada! Why?! Guess i will have to pirate it.

  43. Trolls are Edible by Niscenus · · Score: 1

    I hunt trolls for fun. Karma to burn since it was a number. If only it was easier to go through the past few months of my comments, I'd point out some examples of what I like to call, "Trolltertainment."

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  44. Let's see how Panem is doing. by Animats · · Score: 1

    Want to see control by the content creator? Check out The Capitol.pn This is a web site that's up front about being about control. It requires both Internet Explorer and Facebook. "Even you are being monitored as we speak."

    They mean it. If you're logged in, you show up on their map, visible to other users. They can access your Facebook account. The Capitol of Panem knows all, sees all. May the odds be ever in your favor.

  45. Re:What ./ should learn about it's own site. by Jello+B. · · Score: 1

    This isn't 2006, this is 2012.

  46. $20 per paperback by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The cost of the content is what you are paying $7.99 for.

    $7.99?!? Here in AUS paperbacks average $20 each. ... and they wonder why bricks and mortar bookstores are dying here..

    For the record, I purchased most of my books, hundreds btw, at around $9.99 to $12 each. That was in 1995 to 2000. Since 2003 the price of paperbacks has just gotten downright silly.

    The original point of a paperback was to provide the public with a *cheap* copy of a book. The publishing industry has really lost its way...

  47. Long delayed, generally useless release. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh. Finally. Rowling got out of her cave. Or - her cave finally got the internet connection? Welcome to the civilization, lady. It took some time, but you are finally here.

    I have read all the HP as e-books God only know how many years ago. All the books were available as e-books - to anybody who searched - long time ago.

  48. Re:A) Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The first 3 books are drivel. The latter 4 books are pretty dark (I'm not sure children should even read them).

    They're not for children in the first place, they're for teenagers.

    And if you think they're "pretty dark" then you should probably keep your kids out of the science fiction/fantasy section entirely. Compared to Dr. Seuss, yes they're dark. Compared to Tolkien, they are not.

  49. Re:A) Nothing by hawk · · Score: 1

    The Baen Free Library figured this out years ago.

    they put out CDs In their first printings with year's of books on them, drm free (And librarian/author Eric Flint is downright hostile to drm, for commercial reasons).

    They found that paperback sales went *up* as people found new authors they liked.

    the bet that people would buy paid off--then again, this is before the ipad3 display . . .(I now prefer it to a book, as opposed to the 2)

    Lois Bujold Masters switched over time from "no" to hpjust about everything but her last book or two . . .

    hawk

  50. Re:A) Nothing by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    The first 3 books are drivel. The latter 4 books are pretty dark (I'm not sure children should even read them).

    If you think they are dark, don't ever, EVER read Thomas Hardy.

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  51. Dumbledore would approve by si622test1 · · Score: 1

    Good magic was meant to be shared and learned by as many wizards as possible. Allowing a broad online readership of Harry Potter texts with as few restrictions as possible will encourage readers to take up the books and also encourage other writers to find profitable ways to share their stories widely without barriers.