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Chicken Vaccines Combine To Produce Deadly Virus
stoilis sends this quote from an article at Science:
"Vaccines aren't supposed to cause disease. But that appears to be what's happening on Australian farms. Scientists have found that two virus strains used to vaccinate chickens there may have recombined to form a virus that is sickening and killing the animals 'This shows that recombination of such strains can happen and people need to think about it,' says Glenn Browning, a veterinary microbiologist at the University of Melbourne, Parkville, in Australia and one of the co-authors on the paper."
How glorious it is to be chicken!
To hatch from an egg; To grow feathers!
To scratch the ground with my claws and beak!
To cluck!
Soon the gods themselves will consume my juicy flesh, and they shall exclaim:
"Behold, this chicken is good!"
Where they "accidentally" released a virus to kill all the rabbits. Just saying that they hav a mixed history with such things.
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Field day for anti vaccine people.
The problem is, they are not wrong.
Even if they usually don't see the problem.
It's not a matter of how many people vaccines have saved.
It's a matter of what is put into EACH vial of vaccine, for what purpose it is administered etc. etc. etc.
In this case, and in countless others, more precaution and testing should be performed. And vaccinations should not be the duct tape that keep the health of the poor chicken good enough, the animal should have good living conditions. No matter if the cost soars, because it simply approaches the real cost.
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Pretty interesting (but not totally surprising) that viruses can combine and recombine like this. They're remarkably good at changing to defeat a host's defenses.
Life...finds a way
Can you catch it if you eat a chicken?
No. Cross-species viruses are rare... Viruses co-opt cells to produce more viruses by injecting their own viral code into the DNA/RNA of the host cell. As a rule, those genetic sequences aren't "cross platform" any more than binary code on a computer is. Cross-species bacterial infection is far more common, as bacterium contains all the materials required to reproduce... it only requires a hospitable environment.
Are aussie chickens exported? (If you order chicken at an Outback steakhouse do you get a bird grown in the USA?
Chickens are raised in almost every country, and exported between them routinely. So yes, it's possible that the chicken you're eating in the USA was raised in Australia. Or the UK. Or China. The real question is, why the hell are you ordering chicken at a steakhouse? I mean, I'm a girl and even I order the steaks there. I'm not gonna go there and order a fucking caesar salad, it'd be blasphemous.
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They combined more than one chicken vaccine to form a bigger, badder defense against evil?
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Don't cross the strains! You get a Megazord of a virus.
Ezekiel 23:20
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How the next strain of deadly bird flu will occur is that a human will get both bird flu and swine flu at the same time and the viruses will eventually swap enough material to create a super-virus. Biologists already know this so it shouldn't be a surprise that it happens with live vaccines that are conjoined in the same body also.
So the anti-vaxxer is not only reducing herd immunity to the strains we can protect against, but also still just as vulnerable to the new virus. The only people who should be opting out of vaccines are those whose vaccination is counter-indicated due to a bona fide medical condition. If you aren't one of those people, and you refuse vaccination, your ass should be deported or jailed, as you pose a clear and present threat to public health -- you're in the same category to me as drunk drivers.
So what you are trying to say is that the chickens that refused immunization caused the outbreak? Stupid chickens!
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Except that antibiotics do not kill virii - part of the problem with overuse of antibiotics is the general belief that they help with viral infections. Let me repeat...... antibiotics DO NOT kill virii.
FWIW, The Outback Steak House isn't Australian. It's parent company (Bloomin' Brands, Inc.) is headquartered in Tampa, Florida, USA.
http://www.outback.com/companyinfo/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoonosis#Partial_list_of_zoonoses (minus bacteria)
vs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_viruses
Maybe not 'rare' but certainly uncommon.
Barack Obama is as Australian as Outback steakhouse is.
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Totally off topic as to the article but relevant to vegetarian restaurant options. If you don't want to eat any meat products avoid Cracker Barrel. Everything there, from the mac and cheese to the collard greens has ham in it.
We learned this when we stopped there on a family trip with our Muslim brother in law. I think in the end all he dined on was bread-sticks and coke.
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For a country teeming with large marsupials which have a tenancy to cream - rather than be creamed by - the impacting vehicle, I find concern about a running over a little bunny somewhat ironic.
It is the sole duty of a statistician in science to prove nonabsolute with a "confidence" that makes it seem absolute.
In this case it would appear that th vaccines contained virii/particles that were "statistically not replicating" but were actually doing so (else no recombination could have even survived).
Statisticians give confidence, but that confidence should always be heeded and with caveat.
Viruses are not decidedly living nor dead as far as we can tell. They are more like parasites to living cells but cannot be defined as living by themselves as they do nothing a living being does (in particular eating). They are "deactivated" in a vaccine, i.e., they have their most "toxic" part removed.
Also you should not have been downvoted for asking a genuine question.
Jenny McCarthy warned us......
I am the unwilling control for my Origin.
These were attenuated viruses, which are weakened but not outright killed. Those are also sometimes used in humans. It's more effective than viruses that have been completely killed and obliterated into their marker proteins.
Occasionally living proof of the Ballmer peak.
A pox on those chickens, I say! A pox!
Antivirals do.
"vaccines, by definition, are dead viruses"
No, they aren't.
Vaccines, by definition, are agents that induce immunity to a given virus infection with a lower health cost than the real threat. It can be a "dead" virus, it can be an attenuated one, it can be protein group... as long as it produces the intended effect, it's a vaccine.
Except that antibiotics do not kill virii - part of the problem with overuse of antibiotics is the general belief that they help with viral infections. Let me repeat...... antibiotics DO NOT kill virii.
what's that you said? antibiotics kill virii but only if you use the whole bottle?
how many pairs of boxer shorts should you own?
Cross-species viruses are actually quite common, and it has nothing to do with the genetic sequences either; DNA is DNA and the code is evolved to build viruses. Usually the factor that prevents a virus from being cross species is that the surface protiens of the virus doesn't fit the receptors sites, but that can also occure in the same species. I'd be surprized if chickens are exported from Australia to the US, the cost of keeping them frozen durring shipment from Australia would be considerable and chicken just isn't that expensive.
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the sad thing is that there are teabaggers who would believe this.
No rational person ever said vaccines were perfectly safe, but that doesn't mean that the benefits doesn't vastly outweigh the risks for almost everyone.
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Things without pork at Cracker Barrel:
Eggs, Toast, Hashbrown casserole, Biscuits, Jelly, Apple Butter, Fried Apples, Turkey Sausage, Grits, Chicken Fried Chicken, Chicken Fried Steak, Fried Chicken Tenderloin, Buttermilk Pancakes, Pecan Pancakes, Blueberry Pancakes, French Toast, Eggs-in-the-Basket, Yogurt Parfait, Granola with Fruit and Yogurt, Oatmeal with Fried Apples, Oatmeal with Pecans, Oatmeal with Raisins, Oatmeal with Bananas, Blueberry Muffin, Bran Muffin, Cheerios, Corn Flakes, Special K, Fruit Loops, Frosted Flakes, Wheaties, Egg Sandwich, Steak Biscuit, Sourdough Toast, Tenderloin Steak Biscuit, Half Pound Hamburger, Turkey Breast Sandwich, Grilled Chicken Tenderloin Sandwich, Chicken Salad Sandwich, Fried Chicken Tenderloin Sandwich, Catfish Sandwich, Grilled Meatloaf Sandwich, Open Faced Roast Beef, Onion Rings, Baked Potato, Steak Fries, Grilled Haddock, Lemon Pepper Grilled Rainbow Trout, Grilled Sirloin Steak, Rib Eye Steak, Roast Beef Dinner, Catfish Platter, Fried Shrimp Platter, Chicken and Dumplings, Hamburger Steak, Fried Chicken Livers, Beef Stew, Fried Okra, Coleslaw, Dumplings, Carrots, Corn, Apple Sauce, Grilled Chicken Salad, Turkey Salad, Fried Chicken salad, Chicken Salad salad, Garden Salad, Tossed Salad, Chicken and Dressing, Chicken Pot Pie, Turkey and Dressing, Butter Baked Chicken, Broccoli Cheddar Chicken, Fried Cod, Chicken and Rice, Homestyle Chicken
And that isn't even all the stuff on the menu that doesn't include pork, either, because I tried to leave out anything that sounded too repetitive and skipped desserts, drinks, kids meals and all the stuff that could be prepared with the pork left out.
I think you just didn't bother reading the menu very well or asking the server any questions about the dishes.
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Of course it can, just in the same way that all the current variations of flu can mix and match if you catch more than one of them at once. On the balance I assume it's safer to vaccinate and minimise the possibility of this happening.
that doesn't mean that the benefits doesn't vastly outweigh the risks
Even that part is not obvious, with vaccines like MMRV which may delay the outbreak of diseases to adulthood instead of keeping it restrained to childhood as it was. But slahshdotters don't like complex answers. It's so much more comfortable when everything can be expressed in terms of radioactive bananas.
I think you just didn't bother reading the menu very well or asking the server any questions about the dishes.
You have a lot to learn about Muslim dietary restrictions.
Pork is the least of them. Was that turkey killed in the proper fashion?
In the free world the media isn't government run; the government is media run.
It is the close proximity of pigs, ducks, and people on Chinese farms that is a major source of flu virus mutations.
Thank you for demonstrating your superior knowledge and use of the English language.
Rabies is another one; it can supposedly infect just about any mammal. But actually, I think there are at least a few "strains" of it, each targeting (or preferring) a specific species.
In terms of total virus load in human populations, the number of zoonotic viruses (as most of the organisms on that list are not viruses) is incredibly small.
If one is unsure that a given meat may be haram, the word of a non-Muslim is not sufficient to determine this.
When travelling in a non-Muslim country, or a country where Muslim-operated food businesses are the norm, it is generally best to eat only scaled fish and vegetarian dishes, as these are generally halal automatically. Do be careful to verify as best as you can that the fish have scales. Generally modern fishing operations will only keep live catch, so that is less of a concern.
The preceding comment is my own, and in no way construes an opinon of the Emperor of Mankind.
If one is unsure that a given meat may be haram, the word of a non-Muslim is not sufficient to determine this.
When travelling in a non-Muslim country, or a country where Muslim-operated food businesses are the norm, it is generally best to eat only scaled fish and vegetarian dishes, as these are generally halal automatically. Do be careful to verify as best as you can that the fish have scales. Generally modern fishing operations will only keep live catch, so that is less of a concern.
So you don't have to say a prayer and kill the fish with a single cut to its throat??
In the free world the media isn't government run; the government is media run.
That's correct. Fish are halal if they are taken from the water alive and have scales. Butchering in the same manner as meat and poultry, as you describe, are recommended but not required.
The preceding comment is my own, and in no way construes an opinon of the Emperor of Mankind.
...antibiotics DO NOT kill virii.
Well, if enough is taken to kill the host, that might work...
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
But it's very cheap to ship someone already infected.
Alternatively: The server lied to us because she hates Muslims and was just trying to get us to give up and go somewhere else. Because trust me, we asked plenty of questions, and invariably, her response was "it has pork or pork fat in it."
Also, this was close to 10 years ago, which admittedly I failed to mention. I'm sure their menu could have changed significantly in that time.
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Invariably more like pork hence the term 'long pork'... ;) Makes a person wonder about the origins of the imposition against swine flesh in certain Abrahamic faiths.
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