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The ThinkPad Goes Ultrabook — ThinkPad X1 Carbon Tested

MojoKid writes "The venerable Lenovo ThinkPad, with its little red TrackPoint nub, has gone the way of the Ultrabook. If there's one small dig ThinkPads have taken with regularity over the years, it's that though there's a ton of quality and substance built into these machines, style was not a hallmark of the brand. The all new ThinkPad X1 Carbon could very well change the utilitarian stereotype of Lenovo's business-backed line-up, however. As the name suggests, the ThinkPad X1 Carbon is built from carbon fiber material throughout its chassis and internal rollcage. Its 14-inch display drives a native resolution of 1600x900, and its keyboard, arguably one of the nicest features of the ThinkPad line, is backlit and even more refined with contoured key caps. Battery life hits a max of about six hours on a full charge, and the machine weighs in at 3lbs and .31-inches at it thinnest dimension."

278 comments

  1. Re:Shiny? by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 1, Informative

    I kinda wish it had an LED backlit screen for that kind of money...

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  2. Thinkpads have their OWN style. by couchslug · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Many customers, self included, prefer it.

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    1. Re:Thinkpads have their OWN style. by dwater · · Score: 0

      Right!

      Style != fashion

      fashion is just what other people thing is good

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    2. Re:Thinkpads have their OWN style. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thinkpads are matt black computing engines, built as working machines for working folk ... Thinkpad users leave the pretty stuff for the 'creative' crowd.

    3. Re:Thinkpads have their OWN style. by JAlexoi · · Score: 3, Informative

      Fashion - popular style
      Style - distinctive look

    4. Re:Thinkpads have their OWN style. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      The style of the think pad is akin to the following business attire. Black Pants, White Shirt, Black Jacket, the Tie is the different model you choose. It isn't meant to stand out in a crowd saying HEY LOOK AT ME! See How Cool I am. But more of I am part of a team, stop starting at my computer and lets discuss the issues at hand.

      ThinkPads are very popular in Albany, NY we had some consultants come in, and they said they felt out of place because of their shiny flashy Dells, because everyone else just has a standard black Think Pad, There were different models in the meetings. Managers at the 200 and 220 tables, tech Guys had the T Series. But they all looked similar.
      That is the beauty of the ThinkPad style. If everyone has a different type of computer your is just on of the different types. If they all have ThinkPads you fit in too.

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    5. Re:Thinkpads have their OWN style. by dwater · · Score: 1

      yeah, I'd agree with those definitions...

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    6. Re:Thinkpads have their OWN style. by cmdr_tofu · · Score: 2

      Hmm I wonder what those consultants would think of my Thinkpad X60T covered with Debian, GitHUB, Ruby and "meat is murder" stickers :-D

    7. Re:Thinkpads have their OWN style. by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      The argument was always form vs function. It's really stupid to allow form to overtake function to create pretty but unusable devices (iPad) but there is no problem with achieving function and then giving it form (X1). Of course never ever forget budget.

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    8. Re:Thinkpads have their OWN style. by davester666 · · Score: 2

      Really? The iPad is "unusable".

      That comes as a huge surprise to millions of people. Maybe you could go on the talk-show circuit or CNN and tell everybody that they should throw their iPads away.

      Or maybe, you, as an induhvidual, happen to not have a use for it.

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    9. Re:Thinkpads have their OWN style. by MsGeek · · Score: 1

      Sounds like all the Thinkpads and most of the Apple lappies I've had over the years. The stickers are a bit different...mostly either political, Anime/Manga or F/OSS related. But yeah, not a business look, more "geek in the house" look. My new Lenovo Ideapad is still virgin...for now. But it will look like "Ms. Geek's current lappie" soon enough. X60T was a really nice machine.

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    10. Re:Thinkpads have their OWN style. by glwtta · · Score: 1

      All the complaints about style translate to "doesn't look like a goddamn MacBook" - we know that Apple invented design, so anything that isn't trying to look like an Apple product must not be using any.

      After all, all the other laptop manufacturers have obliged, what's Lenovo's problem?

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    11. Re:Thinkpads have their OWN style. by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Contrary to the desires of Apple marketing, I am not bound by saturation B$ peer pressure marketing and I consider the device unusable, others might feel differently about the device that is their choice but seriously, honestly I feel absolutely no need to defend my opinion of the device. Apple marketing types really are a bunch of passive aggressive narcissist type who feel the need attack every contrary to their marketing, opinion. The iPad is a shitty content creation device and, far to small to be a useful content consumption device. Mobile phones at 5" maximum and from their it's a leap to at least 12" display, then at least 24" although I starting to push to 27" and from their at least 55". It's all about screen real estate.

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  3. Terrible keyboard layout by eviljav · · Score: 0

    They changed the keyboard layout.
    It's terrible now, they moved page up/page down to the bottom right, and messed up the others that go in the top right corner.

    For a laptop who's main appeal is the keyboard, I don't understand why they changed it into something worse.

    1. Re:Terrible keyboard layout by loosescrews · · Score: 3, Informative

      I got a Thinkpad X230, which has the same keyboard layout and a very similar keyboard. The biggest problem is the odd placement of the Print Screen key. It is where the right click menu key should be. In addition, the keyboard is rather mushy without much travel. I am sure it is much better than a normal chiclet keyboard, but the layout is inexcusable. I really like the backlighting, and the trackpoint is, of course, excellent. While I agree that the keyboard is a draw, I think that the trackpoint is a big one too. At least they didn't ruin that yet.

    2. Re:Terrible keyboard layout by guises · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'd rather have page up/page down there than the back/forward buttons that were there before - I've hit the back key and lost everything that I was typing into a webpage far too many times with those damn things. Aside from that though, the layout isn't really that important, you'll get used to it. The big problem with the keyboard here, and the keyboards on these really thin laptops in general, is the stroke depth. They're just far too shallow. I'm sure that's why they moved to the chicklet style, it's better suited to a laptop with no vertical space, but it's still crap.

      Tip for other laptop designers (or designers of any product): figure out what your product is best known for, the good stuff, and when you're doing your redesign don't screw with that. What are the selling points for Thinkpads?

      1. Solid, durable construction
      2. A no-nonsense utilitarian aesthetic
      3. Excellent keyboards that are comfortable to type on

      If it has to be a little thicker to accommodate a good Thinkpad (TM) keyboard, that's not a drawback - that's a selling point.

    3. Re:Terrible keyboard layout by lisabeeren · · Score: 1

      what about the layout of the bottom left control key? using a thinkpad is the most frustrating experience imaginable, because they put a different key where the control key (ctrl-c anyone?) used to be!

    4. Re:Terrible keyboard layout by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      They changed the keyboard layout.
      It's different now, they moved page up/page down to the bottom right, and changed up the others that go in the top right corner.

      For a laptop who's main appeal is the keyboard, I don't understand why they changed it into something different.

      There, FTFY.

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    5. Re:Terrible keyboard layout by Lord+Lode · · Score: 1

      It's less like a desktop PC keyboard now. And that's sad.

    6. Re:Terrible keyboard layout by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have an x220 and I *LOVE* the reversed Fn and Ctrl Keys (bottom left is Fn -> Ctr -> Super -> Alt -> Space -> ...). I actually got so used to it I had to set up my other machines to switch them as well. The Ctrl key is a VERY commonly used key, and having to stretch your hand to the left to use it (like most keyboards) wears your hand out VERY quickly. But if you REALLY need the Ctrl key on the far left, there's a BIOS option to change it.

    7. Re:Terrible keyboard layout by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, it is terrible and not just for the reasons you mentioned.

      - Fn to the left of Ctrl. I don't care if they've been doing it forever, it's ridiculous. Ctrl is one of the most important keys and it needs to be in an easily accessible and predictable place.

      - PrtSc instead of the Menu button. They started doing this lately, I think. Maybe not everybody uses the Menu key, but for those of us who do, this is a huge annoyance.

      Otherwise, I kinda like their laptops, but I wish they would have a sane keyboard layout.

    8. Re:Terrible keyboard layout by pspahn · · Score: 1

      This is the main thing I would change, as I prefer the PgUp, PgDn keys to be Home and End.

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    9. Re:Terrible keyboard layout by garyebickford · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You just inspired a thought - they could make it so the keys rise up slightly when the lid is opened, providing longer travel. In fact I would love to see a true shift-lock key again, that stays down when it's engaged. And a pony, of course.

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    10. Re:Terrible keyboard layout by loosescrews · · Score: 2

      You can switch fn and left ctrl the keys in the BIOS on most Thinkpads. Sure, the keys would then be mislabeled, but if you always hit the wrong key anyway it wouldn't matter.

    11. Re:Terrible keyboard layout by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      - Fn to the left of Ctrl. I don't care if they've been doing it forever, it's ridiculous. Ctrl is one of the most important keys and it needs to be in an easily accessible and predictable place.

      Ctrl is the most accessible. It's the large rectangular key which says "Caps Lock". At least on all computers I have.

    12. Re:Terrible keyboard layout by kwardroid · · Score: 1

      Otherwise you can remap fn to ctrl, atleast on a X201 fn isn't a dead key.

    13. Re:Terrible keyboard layout by bemymonkey · · Score: 1

      Actually, (and I say this as a long time Thinkpad user) the new keyboard is _better_ in terms of typing feel... harder backplate, nice travel, less flex. If it weren't for the layout, I might consider upgrading from my T520...

    14. Re:Terrible keyboard layout by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      The typical ThinkPad keyboard is actually very nice to type on. you really don't need to do that. I found the ThinkPad keyboard better to type on then most of the Mid/UpperMid-quality external keyboards out there. While not a Clicky Model M you get good response when the key is entered vs. just a squish. You get a nice little snap while you are typing... They keys are spread out where it is useful and has a good feel to them.

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    15. Re:Terrible keyboard layout by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Can't you just pull out the key top and put it back in the right place? One used to be able to do that. Don't tell me that they're glued down....

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    16. Re:Terrible keyboard layout by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only that, they also changed the whole keyboard mechanism and went for a chicklet keyboard, like everyone else. Sure, they tell us it's better than other chicklet keyboards, but I tried it on a new T430, and it's a step back from the traditional Thinkpad keyboard.

      I was looking for a laptop a few months ago. My main requirements were: good build quality, works well with Linux, best keyboard possible (chicklet keys need not apply), at least 900 vertical pixels. I was ready to buy a Thinkpad, then decided against it when I tried the keyboard of a new T430. I almost bought a used X220, then got a chance to try a Panasonic Toughbook. It was love at first type. Good layout, solid feeling, probably the best laptop keys I've used in a long while.

      So my wallet took the hit and I bought a Toughbook F9. It's not the sexiest of laptops, and certainly not the lightest. Performance is okay, more than enough for my needs. The touchpad is weird and small but I seldom use it anyway: I'm a keyboard guy (vim, pentadactyl, i3wm, you know the type) and I prefer a wireless mouse for pointing duties. Linux Mint runs like a champ. User-replaceable battery, hard drive and memory, of course. But mostly, the thing just exudes quality and non-suckage in exactly the way that a cheap Acer doesn't.

    17. Re:Terrible keyboard layout by adolf · · Score: 1

      I just map the caps-lock key to control, which is where it used to be on PCs anyway. Easy to grab with the left-pinky, and being on the home row it minimizes the length of the finger-grope.

      Who needs caps lock, anyway?

    18. Re:Terrible keyboard layout by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      God intended the "Control" key to be adjacent to the "A" key - and you don't need the BIOS to map it there.

      Typed from my T500 keyboard

    19. Re:Terrible keyboard layout by loosescrews · · Score: 1

      While I haven't tried removing any keys, I can tell you that the fn and ctrl keys are different sizes.

    20. Re:Terrible keyboard layout by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ???

      My point is Ctrl to the extreme left is hard to miss, even without looking at the keyboard. If it's somewhere else (like on Lenovo laptops) it can be more complicated.

  4. Apple Thinkpad by subreality · · Score: 1

    With apologies: No 7-row keyboard. No docking connector. Lame. :)

    1. Re:Apple Thinkpad by MojoKid · · Score: 1

      There's a docking connector for sure. It's on the back edge of the machine.

    2. Re:Apple Thinkpad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reference for the rest of us: http://slashdot.org/story/01/10/23/1816257/apple-releases-ipod

    3. Re:Apple Thinkpad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can buy the USB docking module that has a slew of connections.

  5. Always loved the thinkpad style by Osgeld · · Score: 1

    still do, though its a bit pricey, smaller screen same cpu, half the ram and over twice the price of my shiny new dell that work bought me .... dunno

    1. Re:Always loved the thinkpad style by couchslug · · Score: 2

      Soldered-in RAM and non-user-serviceable battery aren't impressive either.

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    2. Re:Always loved the thinkpad style by Crudely_Indecent · · Score: 1

      But it will probably last twice as long....

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    3. Re:Always loved the thinkpad style by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      yea but I have 16, 20 25 year old laptops ... do I really care

    4. Re:Always loved the thinkpad style by Alarash · · Score: 2

      No built-in RJ-45 is a show stopper for me. There's no way I want to use a USB dongle for that. But then again I'm a network engineer so that stuff probably matters to me more than it should.

    5. Re:Always loved the thinkpad style by Crudely_Indecent · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The day I bought my first thinkpad was the day I stopped replacing broken laptops.

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    6. Re:Always loved the thinkpad style by bigmadwolf · · Score: 1

      Neither is a 1366x768 glare screen. It is outright offensive.

      It has a 1600x900 matte screen.

    7. Re:Always loved the thinkpad style by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      That is nice. I a saw a review linked in a different post where they complained about the shiny 1366x768 screen.

      I tried to buy a ThinkPad Edge last year, and had to give up because the latest models only came with extremely reflective 1366x768 screens. Let us hope Lenovo has learned the lesson then.

    8. Re:Always loved the thinkpad style by garyebickford · · Score: 1

      My Z61m, bought in 2007 and used for a couple of hours on a typical day since then, is now getting very rickety but still runs fine. I replaced the hinges once two years ago, and now they are getting dicey again. The keys are almost completely worn clean of any clue to the letters, and the little navigation bumps on f and j are long gone. The screen shows wear from five years of cleaning and general abuse. I replaced the fan a year ago and it has started to make noises again (possibly I just didn't get the alignment right). The trackpad hasn't worked since I replaced the fan, because I accidentally yanked on the flexible flat connection wire/board thingie when I was putting it together.

      So, it's time to take the plunge again. This new one might be a candidate. The Z61m has the 1680x1050 screen, and I want to get something at least that good, but faster. I run Compiz with a transparent cube.

      I might take this old thing and turn it into a dedicated video front end - remove the screen and connect directly to the TV somehow. Taken out of its case it might not even need a fan most of the time.

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    9. Re:Always loved the thinkpad style by Crudely_Indecent · · Score: 1

      My current Thinkpad is a Z61M also - I was initially concerned about it's lifespan until I upgraded it to a 64bit processor. The memory still bothers me though - why they put a bios capable of recognizing 4GB with a chipset capable of addressing only 3GB is beyond me...

      I'm not even considering anything other than a thinkpad. Since the z61m was still an IBM creation, I have yet to have a Lenovo experience. Hopefully Lenovo is holding the same high standard.

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    10. Re:Always loved the thinkpad style by garyebickford · · Score: 1

      My current Thinkpad is a Z61M also - I was initially concerned about it's lifespan until I upgraded it to a 64bit processor. The memory still bothers me though - why they put a bios capable of recognizing 4GB with a chipset capable of addressing only 3GB is beyond me...

      I'm not even considering anything other than a thinkpad. Since the z61m was still an IBM creation, I have yet to have a Lenovo experience. Hopefully Lenovo is holding the same high standard.

      You can do that? I never even considered a new processor. Hmmm. Now I have to think a bit. New processor, new trackpad (my bad), new keyboard so I can see the keys again, see if I can tighten up the hinges and reset the fan, maybe an SSD (put swap on there, makes up for the lack of RAM at the cost of increased SSD wear) and/or bigger hard drive, ... Hmmm. Fix up an old friend, or spend the money on the new(er) hotness?

      I wish the screen were brighter, also lust after 1080P just for the additional pixels = Vim windows and lines of code. I often code with two vertical panes in Vim so I can compare two files or work on one file in two places.

      For those who are curious, I actually got mine used from Budget Computers in Beaverton OR in the spring of 2007 - good folks. They were a bit skeptical when I told them I didn't want Windoze on it 'cause I was installing Ubuntu, but knocked something off the price - don't recall how much. I brought it in to show them the next day. :)

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    11. Re:Always loved the thinkpad style by garyebickford · · Score: 1

      Sigh - replying to myself - I just found that Budget Computers is closed. :( It's worth posting what they say on their website.

      REQUIEM FOR A SMALL BUSINESS

      To Budget Customers,

      I could blame the banks, they were not any help.

      As a matter of fact they were the reverse.

      I could blame the Government who never really extended a helping hand but I guess it is not really their job.
      But in the end I must take responsibility for this failure,

      I am the one who made the decisions.

      Now another small business has died and more Families face financial struggle and unemployment, but that is a sign of the times.

      I would like to apologize to you, my customers, for leaving you stranded. If I could have done it any other way I would have.

      THANK YOU for your loyalty and patronage. I will forever be in your debt.

      May God bless you,

      Tim Anderson

      Budget Computers

      Owner

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    12. Re:Always loved the thinkpad style by fnj · · Score: 1

      I'm confused. Are we talking about the Thinkpad X1 Carbon here, or something else? Because Thinkpad X1 Carbon page at Lenovo says you've got an anti-glare option.

    13. Re:Always loved the thinkpad style by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      The last comment was about the ThinkPad Edge series. The new ThinkPad ultrabook serie from last year. In those it anti-glare was not an option, (well it was an option two years ago, but not last year).

    14. Re:Always loved the thinkpad style by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      I tend to agree. They were ( cant comment on them after Lovono bought the brand ) far superior product.

      Sure they may not be as flashy, or fast, or light, and did cost a bit more. But they did the job, worked well and lasted. I have some older TPs that have concurrently survived more than a couple of generations of other brands i have 'upgraded' to along the way. ( upgraded due to increases in power )

      However, now that its a wholly owned/designed/manufactured Chinese product, i stopped getting them and moved to Apple.

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    15. Re:Always loved the thinkpad style by Crudely_Indecent · · Score: 1

      Yup, after a little research - I found a processor upgrade was possible. So I searched ebay and found one. This is the title of the auction I won:

      Intel T7200 Core 2 Duo 2.0 Ghz laptop processor 4 MB L2 Cache

      Posting from my now 64bit z61m now

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    16. Re:Always loved the thinkpad style by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For those who are curious, I actually got mine used from Budget Computers in Beaverton OR in the spring of 2007 - good folks. They were a bit skeptical when I told them I didn't want Windoze on it 'cause I was installing Ubuntu, but knocked something off the price - don't recall how much. I brought it in to show them the next day. :)

      I buy mine used from IBM Used Equipment (poke around on ibm.com). I think they keep their sales staff in new ThinkPads and sell off the used ones. If you know someone that works for IBM you can get an extra "friends and family" discount. Touch wood, all 5 that I've bought this way are still working fine.

    17. Re:Always loved the thinkpad style by bill_tvm · · Score: 1

      The keys are almost completely worn clean of any clue to the letters, and the little navigation bumps on f and j are long gone.

      You mean the tits are worn down now

  6. A long line... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

    IBM has offered quite a few thin-and-light optical-drive-removed models over the years, albeit generally at a somewhat uncomfortable premium.

    I have very fond memories of my Thinkpad 570 (stolen, alas) and the X series has more recently occupied the niche.

    The really tragic thing is that Lenovo has been churning out assorted thin-and-lights without trackpoints! If you have to use a touchpad, you might as well just not bother.

    1. Re:A long line... by PixetaledPikachu · · Score: 1

      The really tragic thing is that Lenovo has been churning out assorted thin-and-lights without trackpoints! If you have to use a touchpad, you might as well just not bother.

      Those are probably their IdeaPads or other lines. AFAIK, even the ThinkPad EDGE has the red nub

  7. not particularly excited... by Tastecicles · · Score: 1

    I never got on with Thinkpad keyboards. The "Trackpoint" (I always called it the GHB Clitoris) got in the way.

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    1. Re:not particularly excited... by dwater · · Score: 1

      me too, though I just pulled the rubber off and that solved the problem

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    2. Re:not particularly excited... by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 5, Funny

      I just pulled the rubber off

      Doing that, is what got Julian Assange into all that trouble . . .

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    3. Re:not particularly excited... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's good for coding and stuff cause you don't have to leave the home keys.

    4. Re:not particularly excited... by dwater · · Score: 4, Funny

      alledgedly

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    5. Re:not particularly excited... by martin-boundary · · Score: 1

      It's even better for coding because one's thumbs don't brush up on trackpad causing the mouse to fly away. I generally refuse to use any laptop that has a trackpad.

    6. Re:not particularly excited... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No no, he really IS in trouble!

    7. Re:not particularly excited... by Tastecicles · · Score: 1

      mine's got an off switch on the trackpad... kinda handy, that.

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    8. Re:not particularly excited... by jamesh · · Score: 1

      It's even better for coding because one's thumbs don't brush up on trackpad causing the mouse to fly away. I generally refuse to use any laptop that has a trackpad.

      You can easily disable the trackpad if it's a problem. I can type faster than most and the trackpad has never been a problem for me... at least on my current laptop. Some laptops i've seen have a trackpad with no tactile borders and is much bigger, which I might find to be a problem, but if I did i'd just disable it.

      But given the choice between a correctly sized keyboard and a trackpad i'd choose the keyboard.

      Fingerprint readers are what I find a pain. Who in their right mind would but a fingerprint reader right where your wrist brushes against. Madness. Although again, I don't use it so I just disable it, but it's still a pain when using someone elses computer. I guess their testing group doesn't know how to touch type.

    9. Re:not particularly excited... by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 1

      It's amazing, on all of my previous laptops, I had to continously turn the trackpad on and off when I was typing because I would ALWAYS hit it with my thumb. When I got my x220 (and installed Linux on it), I was VERY worried when I found out the mouse-toggle hotkey didn't work. I'm not sure if it's the physical buttons at the top of it (for the trackpoint), the bezel, the shape or something else entirely, but I've actually NEVER hit the trackpad by accident on this laptop, even when gaming!

    10. Re:not particularly excited... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a long time Thinkpad(s) user, I notice Trackpoint causes screen abrasion in middle when pressed from outside (lid closed). This particular happens in backpacks when battery adapters press the lid.

    11. Re:not particularly excited... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not having my Thinkpad with me and needing to login to an online account, so I used a friend computer. What a horrible experience that turned out to be, every time i would try to type something my palm would touch the touch-pad which would cause the cursor to jump around leaving broken text. I don't see how people can even use those touch-pad their painfully slow when your trying to accomplish things quickly. Track-point and Logitech "Cordless Optical TrackMan" http://www.logitech.com/en-us/mice-pointers/trackballs/cordless-trackMan-optical why settle for less.

      P.S.
      Thinkpad W500, dual-core, 6M of L2, 2.7Ghz, CPU max 25-watts, screen 1920x1200, battery life 13 max, etc...
      Thinkpads or nothing else(used Thinkpads).

    12. Re:not particularly excited... by Knuckles · · Score: 1

      What OSes are you people using which don't automatically deactivate the touchpad when typing?

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    13. Re:not particularly excited... by Tastecicles · · Score: 1

      um... Windows 7 Home Premium doesn't. Neither does OpenSuSE 11.4. Nor OSX86. Nor OS/2 Warp 4. Nor Ubuntu 10.04. Nor Windows xp SP3.

      Have I missed something?

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    14. Re:not particularly excited... by Tastecicles · · Score: 1

      I would be looking at which way round you're dropping the laptop in; if you're causing the lid to flex then you're putting the laptop in the wrong way round. I tend out of habit to put it in with the base facing my back, with any paperwork I need to carry in a hardback folder like a Leverarch and have that sit against the lid for added protection.

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    15. Re:not particularly excited... by Alomex · · Score: 1

      Generally touchpads are much worse if you type with your thumbs to the side or the touchpad is overly sensitive. We have an HP loaner where the touchpad is so sensitive that even hovering near the surface is detected. We loan it out with a mouse and every one who uses it reports turning off the touchpad and using the mouse.

    16. Re:not particularly excited... by Knuckles · · Score: 1

      Ouch, interesting. It never happened to me in Win XP or 7, so I assumed that they do - but maybe that's because the Lenovo laptops I used had tiny touchpads. I never used OS X for extended times, but when I did the problem did not occur despite the huge touchpads so, again, I assumed (yeah I know). Indeed, 5 seconds of googling showed that OS X has a '“Ignore accidental trackpad input” checkbox on the Trackpad tab of the Keyboard & Mouse System Preferences panel', though it may be off by default, I dunno.
      http://www.macworld.com/article/1136275/trackpadoff.html

      I have used a MacBook Pro with Ubuntu since 2009, and I am quite sure that even in 9.04 Ubuntu did it. The documentation looks like it (though apparently buggy), at least as a GUI-supported option. 12.04 certainly has at least the option now.

      This is a Gnome thing, I can only assume KDE and therefore SuSE has the option as well (though maybe difficult to find among 10000 other options :p )

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    17. Re:not particularly excited... by Tastecicles · · Score: 1

      thanks for that Knuckles, I'll have to look into it again.

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    18. Re:not particularly excited... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      You're still using OS/2 Warp 4?

      Fascinating.

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    19. Re:not particularly excited... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For me on this W520 it's just a matter of Fn+F8 to toggle the trackpad on/off

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    20. Re:not particularly excited... by Knuckles · · Score: 1

      For me on this W520 it's just a matter of Fn+F8 to toggle the trackpad on/off

      That's also an option, but IMO too much of a hassle to do every time. The machine knows when you are typing, so it should do the appropriate thing automatically.

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    21. Re:not particularly excited... by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 1

      I'm on Archlinux, so every feature I need is hand-picked. I was about to go and "hand pick" a "disable touchpad while typing" solution but procrastinated for a few days and found out that I actually didn't need it in the first place!

  8. Correct me if I'm wrong by Provocateur · · Score: 0

    But is this the first time a Thinkpad keyboard featured the Windows logo? Wonder how much *that* product placement must have cost...

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    1. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong by virx · · Score: 1

      My Thinkpad T60 already has Windows keys.

    2. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are wrong
      My 4 year old R61 has the windows logo as well

    3. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong by InlawBiker · · Score: 1

      No, the windows key has been there for a long time. The question is, how much did it cost them to run this thinly veiled press release disguised as an article on Slashdot?

    4. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, do you live under a rock or something? The WIndows compatibility stickers have been de rigeur for years.

    5. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      My thinkpad is 6 years old and has a windows key and a windows sticker.

    6. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong by mirix · · Score: 1

      I think T60 was the first to get windows keys - coincidentally, T60 is the first non-IBM T, afaik... I don't think IBM ever made one with windows keys. Can't say I blame them.

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    7. Re:Correct me if I'm wrong by Provocateur · · Score: 1

      Thank you, and my X41 laptop convertible still had the IBM logo, NOT Thinkpad, on the lid.

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  9. Thinkpad Stinkpad Schminkpad by stkris · · Score: 1, Interesting

    OP said " If there's one small dig ThinkPads have taken with regularity over the years, it's that though there's a ton of quality and substance built into these machines". Which is why when it was my turn to upgrade got a top of the line w530. Yes it is super fast. But the Thinkpad substance is on a decline. First of all the new chicklet keyboard design make me hit the wrong keys all the time. Especially the delete key! And this after two months of trying to get used to it. The old keyboard I could use without looking. But now they have removed all the physical clues. No more gaps between F-key-groups so I have no idea if I hit F5 or F4. Then they have removed the status lights for such things as caps lock and battery vs charging. And then the screen is 1 cm lower than my old T61 - which was 1 or 2 cm lower than my older 4:3 laptop. Each new machine give me fever lines of code to work with. I am not a happy customer any more. My productivity has taken a hit and my boss won't like that. But what can a girl do? Make my own?

    1. Re:Thinkpad Stinkpad Schminkpad by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 1

      My x220 has spaced Fn keys, all the status lights work (well, they did before I turned my CapsLock into a backspace!) and it is very easy to tell when it is plugged in/charging. plugged in = no light, charging = 75% duty cycle flashing, running off battery = solid light, low battery = solid orange light. In fact, with the smapi kernel module, I can actually toggle/flash/control each light manually if I really want to. Best of all, the sleep light DOES NOT BLINK. You have NO idea how much of a godsend that is when your laptop is in the same room where you sleep!!!

    2. Re:Thinkpad Stinkpad Schminkpad by fnj · · Score: 1

      Forgive me, but why did you get a W when the X's and the T's are the real Thinkpads? The W's are just laptops not all that different from run of the mill brands.

    3. Re:Thinkpad Stinkpad Schminkpad by fnj · · Score: 1

      The X's are the good ones. The T's are pretty good too. The W's, not so much.

      Love my X301.

    4. Re:Thinkpad Stinkpad Schminkpad by couchslug · · Score: 1

      "But what can a girl do? Make my own?"

      Get an external keyboard? If you have to commute with the notebook, get two externals and leave one at work (with your name all over it and suitably "uglified" to deter theft).

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    5. Re:Thinkpad Stinkpad Schminkpad by yorgasor · · Score: 1

      Um, the W's are Workstation grade laptops. They come with high end graphics cards meant for heavy CAD use, quad core CPUs and 32G of RAM, and high res screens. My w520 is fully loaded and kicks serious butt. It's in the same league as the Dell Precision and HP Elitebook W series laptops.

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  10. a good start by swell · · Score: 0, Troll

    ThinkPad has always been a respected contender and this is a fine example. The main questions for buyers would be 1- how well does it handle OS X? and 2- can it fully implement BSD Unix? and the important issue for those who actually produce with their computers 3- Can it adroitly handle the entire Adobe suite of software?

    It's to be assumed that some readers are more interested in hacking than actually producing, and may have quite different interests.

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    1. Re:a good start by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your trolling is meh.

    2. Re:a good start by martin-boundary · · Score: 0
      lol !!!1

      Where's the best place to buy a turtleneck sweater?

    3. Re:a good start by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You already get superior OS with thinkpads, why would you wanna ruin it with OS X crap? The worst OS in existence. For ultimate uberum you can install Linux besides Windows.

  11. Build quality not impressive anymore by evilviper · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If there's one small dig ThinkPads have taken with regularity over the years, it's that though there's a ton of quality and substance built into these machines, style was not a hallmark of the brand.

    That was long ago, when IBM owned the brand. Lenovo kept the quality up to par for a while, but many people who've bought Thinkpads in the past couple years will attest that the quality isn't the best any longer. That they're going for styling now, just further suggests they're completely changing the brand, and it will no longer stand for quality and durability.

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    1. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by WrecklessSandwich · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Who would you suggest has the best build quality now, then? If you say Apple I will beat you silly with a chassis fan because I want to be able to have children, but anything else I'm genuinely curious to hear.

    2. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by silly_sysiphus · · Score: 1

      I recently switched from ThinkPads (570, R51, T60, T520 etc) to an HP EliteBook (in my case, an 8460w). It's different than a ThinkPad in some of the design philosophy, but is built like a tank. You still get a totally modular design for easy parts swapping, as with a traditional ThinkPad. The keyboard layout isn't as good as the old 7-row ThinkPad setup, but that's seemingly gone for good anyway--and at least this one keeps scroll/pause dedicated keys ( numlock/break as alt functions) rather than burying that functionality into unlabeled alt-functions as on the new ThinkPads, not to mention keeping the prt sc on the top row, etc etc. It's a different beast, but don't be fooled by horror stories about HP's consumer lines--the EliteBooks are solidly built, and have three-year onsite warranties with US-based support. Not too shabby.

    3. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by silly_sysiphus · · Score: 1

      Agreed. My T60p (designed by IBM, one of the first to ship under the Lenovo name) was built with top-notch materials, and felt like a premium product. The T61 was also very good (save the Nvidia problems, but that wasn't Lenovo (or Dell, Apple, etc's fault)). By the T400/500, they'd compromised on keyboard quality, and stopped reinforcing the lids like the T61, and by the time I bought my last ThinkPad, a T520, it was still a superior machine to the average consumer-grade junk, but no longer felt like it would last forever.

    4. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by RedBear · · Score: 1

      Who would you suggest has the best build quality now, then? If you say Apple I will beat you silly with a chassis fan because I want to be able to have children, but anything else I'm genuinely curious to hear.

      Nobody you'd want to hear about, apparently.

    5. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      It seems like you already know the answer, but your prejudice is getting in the way.

    6. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who would you suggest has the best build quality now, then? If you say Apple I will beat you silly with a chassis fan because I want to be able to have children, but anything else I'm genuinely curious to hear.

      Apple.

      Better to be beaten with a chassis fan than to lie.

    7. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If there's one small dig ThinkPads have taken with regularity over the years, it's that though there's a ton of quality and substance built into these machines, style was not a hallmark of the brand.

      That was long ago, when IBM owned the brand. Lenovo kept the quality up to par for a while, but many people who've bought Thinkpads in the past couple years will attest that the quality isn't the best any longer. That they're going for styling now, just further suggests they're completely changing the brand, and it will no longer stand for quality and durability.

      That is not my experience, I now have a X220, before that a T400. Both seem to be built like a tank, they've gone through a lot of abuse over the years as I travel a lot, and I've had no issues with them.

    8. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by AchilleTalon · · Score: 3, Informative

      Provided almost all T61(p) are about to die due to the problem with the nVidia chip, there is over 130 pages of complaints on the Lenovo forum on this sole subject and still active. Provided Lenovo picked the nVidia chip, it was up to them to resolve this issue to the satisfaction of their customers. They did really bad. They kept the replacement board unaffordable while the prices were dropping fast (over 1000$ for a replacement board in Canada from Lenovo when I checked less than 10 months ago). They never recalled all the laptops likely to fail, many laptops failed just after the warranty expiration and the few months after. At the very beginning, yes, nVidia is responsible, but before the customers Lenovo is responsible. It is to them to negociate contracts with their providers and get some kind of QA on the products they buy and resell in a laptop. I was a loyal customer starting with IBM Thinkpad, I was willing to pay more for the enterprise level quality. My last experience with Lenovo proves me wrong about this so called enterprise level quality and worst, with the desire of the company to maintain a top quality service.

      Sorry, Lenovo, never again.

      I prefer to buy a cheap laptop I can replace easily and use a real desktop at my office instead of a boosted laptop.

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    9. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Apple laptops have glossy screens, so they are useless for serious work anyway.

    10. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by nojayuk · · Score: 3, Informative

      Panasonic have good build quality even in their business range and their Toughbooks are especially well-built. Not stylish though. Expect to pay for that quality though, 50-100% more than an Apple of similar hardware spec, but when was the last time you saw a laptop advertised as being resistant to disinfectant?

    11. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple computers break plenty often, and when they do your stuck with huge prices for simple repair jobs. Plus (and the x1 carbon isn't much better) they don't offer enough options like ports and access to your hard drive.

    12. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by jo_ham · · Score: 0

      Apple laptops have glossy screens, so they are useless for serious work anyway.

      Not all of them have glossy screens, so you can do "serious work" on those if you want. I'm sure all the other people doing "non-serious work" on machines with glossy screens will be pleased to know that their work is so insignificant.

      I'm surprised you forgot to log in? Was the glare on your screen obscuring the log in button? Oh right, matte screen, so no excuse - it must be a PEBKAC error.

    13. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't say they were any worse per-se, perhaps they just feel that way due to being even lighter and thinner than before. And you still get their excellent maintenance manuals that explain how to completely disassemble and replace every part of the laptop, complete with part codes so you can easily order the right replacement. There is a reason they use Thinkpads on the ISS.

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    14. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by JAlexoi · · Score: 1

      I disagree completely. When the first all Lenovo laptops rolled down the line - they were just plain terrible. However, they fixed that and the newer ones are no less durable than the IBM one's(comparing IBM ThinkPad T42 with Lenovo ThinkPad W500 and T430s).

    15. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by JAlexoi · · Score: 1

      You use page break?!?!?!?

    16. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Apple has made unreliable portable hardware all along. The original Thinkbooks were always failing, you could get broken ones cheap used always because they cost too much to repair. Let's talk about the GPUs snapping off the G3 ibooks when people pick them up with one hand, too.

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    17. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. My T410 is not nearly as good as previous models had been. Don't get me wrong, it's still better than most others, but it's not like it used to be. The worst part about it is the plastics, the outer case tends to rub against the inner pieces causing annoying creaks and pops as your palms rest while you type. At the time the commercial HP's were looking great with their metal cases, but the keyboard feel was no good, it was too cheap... the thinkpads at the time still retained a greater "throw" when pressing the keys which is what I like.

    18. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I second this criticism. I work in IT at a college that recommends ThinkPads to students; we have DC power connections on the motherboard regularly breaking off, cd-drive release mechanisms falling apart, etc.
      The worst is the trackpads. After a couple years of use, the texture wears off them, and they become smooth, glossy plastic. This makes them terrible to use.

      The redeeming aspect is the 4 year accidental damage warranty, which covers a multitude of sins.

    19. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about we not talk about a 1963 Volkswagen being a lemon as a logical reason to not buy one made in 2012?
       
      I use ThinkPads at work and I have both A ThinkPad and a MacBook Pro at home. They are all great machines. The only failing I've seen out of the ThinkPad series as of late is the T410 having fan problems. I hear a lot of MBPs are having heat issues and some have said the LG Retina displays are troublesome. Luckily I've avoided both of these issues.
       
      It is possible to own and like both machines. Aside from people who like to crack their laptop open, there is no real reason to think that ThinkPads or MacBook Pros are better than one another out of the box.

    20. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, yes, yes, let's keep talking about mistakes made more than 10 years ago when windows XP didn't even exist (to put this into perspective). Surely the defects of those days count now as well as back then because it's impossible to improve in this world (facepalm).

    21. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus fucking Christ, is there any particular reason you decided to be a dickhead without provocation? Why is this fashionable on Slashdot?

    22. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually ThinkPads are pretty good. I got ThinkPad and IdeaPad s12 from Lenovo two years ago, both are in perfect condition still and will probably serve me fine for sometime.

    23. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cool. IBM was behind the fiasco that was ATI graphics in the T40-T43 series. You know, the one where solder connections would break down after a year or so, causing the graphics chip to slide and render the computer unusable? Lenovo rectified this by adding the magnesium rollcage (to prevent motherboard flex), improved cooling (added vents on the rear and front), and later...selecting nVidia as their GPU provider for high-end T61's. How were they supposed to know that nVidia was producing internally faulty chips? At least they weren't falling off the motherboard anymore. The nVidia problem affected Dell and HP as well, and a replacement MB was provided free of charge for end-users for the first year after nVidia lost the lawsuit.

    24. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2006 was the last iBook release.

      Just as Lenovo used to be superior build quality, MacBooks aren't as crappy anymore. Times change.

    25. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't say Apple has decent build quality and be a rational human being.
      It's style over everything else.

    26. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by WrecklessSandwich · · Score: 1

      Show me an Apple laptop that isn't designed to use the entire chassis (and by extension, my body) as a heatsink instead of having a proper cooling fan and I'll gladly give it a shot. I want to be able to recommend them over the cheap plastic crap from HP/Dell etc, but that glaring design flaw is a complete deal breaker for me. If nothing else, at least the cheap plastic crap can't hurt you (usually anyways).

    27. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by jo_ham · · Score: 2

      Jesus fucking Christ, is there any particular reason you decided to be a dickhead without provocation? Why is this fashionable on Slashdot?

      You forgot to log in again!

      D'oh!

      "Without provocation" hah. You're funny.

    28. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by WrecklessSandwich · · Score: 1

      It's only fashionable to be a dickhead to ACs. Try logging in.

    29. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by WrecklessSandwich · · Score: 1

      I wasn't aware that citing a specific design flaw is considered prejudice. It's not my fault they did the same stupid thing across their entire product line for a significant number of years. I guess I'm prejudiced against things that burn my thighs under normal operating conditions?

    30. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      If you say Apple I will beat you silly with a chassis fan because I want to be able to have children, but anything else I'm genuinely curious to hear.

      Not to worry, due to battery issues, the Reality Distortion Field is only projected upward. Your nether parts are safe. On a MacPro, given the huge PSU and excess computing power, the RFD goes in all directions. That's why people who are stuck with these old geezers are just sitting there, waiting in the corner, for Apple to upgrade the Cheese Graters.

      But that is another long and sad tale for another topic.

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    31. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Some of us like the warmth we get from our laptops. It's not like we get it from other humans.

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    32. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by AchilleTalon · · Score: 1

      I never said Lenovo was supposed to know, but they are supposed to cover the ass of their customers against this possibility provided the shit happens. That's what contracts are about. So, they win a lawsuit against nVidia and fixed the replacement period to only one year after the lawsuit. What about those customers the board is failing one year and one day after the lawsuit win? And they are a ton.

      What these customers are told? "You know, your laptop is old and it is normal at some point it time it breaks". What is the reasonable point in time? My old Thinkpad, more than 10 years old is still working. I even have a old 486 17 years old, still working perfectly and until recent times was up and running 24h/day 7d/week. Sorry, but the lifetime of a laptop isn't 3 years, particularily if you pay for top end products with enterprise quality. They just manage to conceal their responsability toward their customers.

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    33. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by silly_sysiphus · · Score: 1

      True, Lenovo had probably the worst response of all the major manufacturers to the nVidia G86 etc. mess. And that was inexcusable. My point was simply that the build quality on the T61 was still rock-solid. Really a pity about the nVidia stuff, though...the T61p was the last 4:3 powerful ThinkPad. Sigh.

    34. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by toddestan · · Score: 1

      We've got some Elitebooks at work, and I'd never buy one. They seem to be reasonably built, but performance-wise they are absolute dogs. They come with the latest Core i5 and Core i7 processors, but it seems that doing the simplest things just causes them to chug and chug. Even when running a clean install of Windows. I'm not sure why (old chipsets? crappy hard drives? slow memory?), but the older Core 2-based Thinkpads run circles around them.

    35. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've owned the famous T42p - supposedly the best IBM thinkpad.
      I own the X220 now, a Lenovo adaptation of the X41.

      Both are built like tanks but my T42p had two power supply ports fail because of the awful design. Look it up on the forums if you don't believe me. The X220 went through some pretty wild conditions and it's still going strong. It's the most reliable and pleasant mobile computing experience I've ever had. I know anecdotes do not data make but neither does your baseless bias :)

    36. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by RocketRabbit · · Score: 1

      I don't think anybody will dispute the fact that Apple has the best quality laptops and has for many years now.

      It certainly isn't Dell or HP or even Lenovo any more. And don't mention Asus or I will vomit partially digested candy corn all over your face.

    37. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by bryan1945 · · Score: 1

      Nah, I'm just thinking you're a wuss. Under normal operating conditions my CPU hits 110-120 degrees. The fans blow the heat out the back. Bottom is sorta warm. Now when I start rendering videos it gets hot, but that's not a standard thing for me. If that's your normal thing, then I apologize.

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    38. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by bryan1945 · · Score: 1

      Asus. :D

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    39. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by WrecklessSandwich · · Score: 1

      Which model is this exactly?

    40. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by bigt405 · · Score: 1

      Seriously? Apple's got horrible build quality since they switched to Unibody. People don't complain because AppleCare replaces your entire machine when the left shift key labeling wears down. I've known four people whose MacBook Pros have inexplicably died, due to the Nvidia 9000 series video chipsets running hot. The extended warranty on the 8000 series was great, but the 9000 series is just a relabeled version built on the same architecture (thus susceptible to the same heat issues). Previous to buying my ThinkPad, I had an HP G series. The HP had cruddy power distribution on the motherboard and would randomly shut off. HP was absolutely no help, suggesting I "buy a new computer". My ThinkPad runs cooler, and feels a heck of a lot more solid overall. With a price like this, buying a Mac for "build quality" just doesn't make much sense.

    41. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by RocketRabbit · · Score: 1

      And yet Consumer Reports claims that Apple has the best build quality, and any scientific event, space program, university, etc you care to attend has 60%+ mac users now.

      The ThinkPad isn't any cooler, it's just made of an insulator instead of a conductor.

    42. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Two words... Fat Battery.

      AC

    43. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I could not agree more. I have been a loyal Thinkpad purchaser for a number of years. I recently purchased a T430 and have been very unimpressed with the mechanical quality of the product. The bezel around the screen is extremely flimsy and is starting to come apart. The casing support over the smart card reader is weak and I suspect it will eventually break - hopefully before the warranty period expires. Their implementation of UEFI 2.31 is poor with no access to a built-in UEFI Shell. As a result you cannot EFI stub boot Fedora 17 on this platform. Finally, the trapezoid design of the built-in cam mount looks like something a child would come up with.

    44. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by shilly · · Score: 1

      Well, I have an x220-t for work which I'm obliged to use and it's awful. Just awful. Hinges are wobbly. Screen flexes. Battery lasts no time at all -- an hour or two at best. Fan runs the whole time and it gets boiling. Weighs a bloody ton and an awkward shape. Small screen given the overall dimensions of the machine. The backlight has never worked. The trackpad doesn't autodisable when I'm typing, and that textured surface is horrible to use (and I've never been able to use the trackpoint efficiently, moves much too slowly for my liking). Etc...

    45. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      I've found the recent Lenovo-owned Thinkpad quality to be very hit or miss. Sometimes it's on par with the old IBM quality; sometimes it's far below it.

      The biggest difference I've noticed (and found irritating) is the variability of tactile input on their keyboards. IBM's biggest winning laptop feature, IMO, was always the keyboards: superior tactility for a laptop with good travel and even keypresses. Lenovo's products, UltraNav keyboards included, have been all over the field. My preference is for the keyboards found on the X30/X31 and similar models. Lenovo has been messing up the key layout, changing key sizes, and generally making things 'irritating' and non-standard like you'd expect from Toshiba, for no apparent reason.

      I really do not look forward to a world without these keyboards. I will probably be looking at the Dell line of laptops which have the keyboard nipple; alas, the quality isn't on par with the old IBMs, either, but it's better than where Lenovo has been taking things.

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    46. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by alexo · · Score: 1

      the T61p was the last 4:3 powerful ThinkPad. Sigh.

      I'd love to get something like the X220 or X230 with a higher resolution 4:3 (hell, even 16:10) screen.

  12. Re:Shiny? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 5, Funny

    Can they make it look more like a MacBook Air and then I'll buy one?

    They could, but that would mean, yet another lawsuit, which we certainly already have enough of . . .

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  13. I prefer the penguin kind: ThinkPenguin.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    :) It's a shame though that Lenovo stopped selling no-OS or systems without Linux.

    1. Re:I prefer the penguin kind: ThinkPenguin.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      :) It's a shame though that Lenovo stopped selling no-OS or systems without Linux.

      Instead of wasting time here astroturfing, you should go improve your website and put more and better pictures of the products you are trying to sell.

  14. Protruding lid edge by temcat · · Score: 2

    It looks like this laptop rests on the protruding lid edge when the lid is open instead of lying flat on the base. Not sure I like that design.

    1. Re:Protruding lid edge by fph+il+quozientatore · · Score: 1

      What bothers you about that? It seems a good idea to me, it should improve thermal dissipation. (if this is really the case, however, my next question is "why has no one thought of that before?)

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    2. Re:Protruding lid edge by itsme1234 · · Score: 3, Informative

      In the video it looks like the lid raises the laptop only when opened quite wide, at larger angles than would be possible on many similar devices. At "regular" angles the laptop sits on it's own feet and the lid moves freely, once you open it too much it will hit the desk and you need to slightly raise the laptop and let it sit on the lid.

    3. Re:Protruding lid edge by temcat · · Score: 1

      It seems to me that this must increase stress on the lid-to-base joint leading to earlier failures.

    4. Re:Protruding lid edge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      repeat after me: air is a thermal *insulator*

    5. Re:Protruding lid edge by c0lo · · Score: 1

      repeat after me: air is a thermal *insulator*

      Not when it's moving, like when being pushed by a fan.

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    6. Re:Protruding lid edge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It does. But unlike the piece of shit fucked up keyboard, the hinges and rollcage are top-notch, you won't be able to break them without destroying the rest of the machine.

  15. pricey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For the price of an ultrabook with a non-user-replaceable battery, I can buy a slightly thicker laptop and a tablet for ultraportability. But then again, I am not the target demographic for a $1,000+ laptop with no dedicated Ethernet port.

  16. I'm switching to Mac after six ThinkPads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I like my 4:3-aspect, 1400x1050 pixel, 12.1" display on my X61 tablet. It seems that Lenovo is not capable of producing ThinkPads with a decent screen resolution anymore, so I'm switching to the Macbook Pro Retina, although I don't like Apple.

    1. Re:I'm switching to Mac after six ThinkPads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you looked at Asus Zenbook UX21A, UX31A or UX31VD ? They have 11.6 and 13.3 inch 1920x1080 IPS screens and the price is a lot more reasonable than Retina MBP.

    2. Re:I'm switching to Mac after six ThinkPads by silly_sysiphus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hell, I miss my 1400x1050 14" T60p! It's pretty sad that the only way to get 1000+ vertical pixels is in a 1080p display, which is too high a DPI to be comfortable on less than a 15" screen, but a 15.6" 16:9 panel makes for an absolute monster. Lenovo could have kept making the 4:3 machines ad infinitum--see Panasonic and the ToughBook line. But they decided the extra profit was worth lessening the product. Sad. Unfortunately, so did everybody else. Heck, Apple's the only mainstream company that even uses 16:10 panels anymore.

    3. Re:I'm switching to Mac after six ThinkPads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, I've looked at their specs. As I want to use my notebooks 4-5 years, 6 GB of RAM (what seems to be the maximum of the Zenbooks) simply aren't enough. My five year old X61 with 4 GB is limping. And I'll convert the higher resolution to more screen estate. I'm able to distinguish single pixels at 145 ppi, so I'll try the native resolution of the MBP at 220 ppi.

    4. Re:I'm switching to Mac after six ThinkPads by Vegemeister · · Score: 1

      1080p display, which is too high a DPI to be comfortable on less than a 15" screen

      No. I hate 16:9 just as much as you do, but there's no such thing as "too high" PPI. There is only diminishing benefit and a tradeoff with the grunt required to render the pixels. 1920x1080 isn't excessive until below 9".

  17. Re:Shiny? by dwater · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Please, no. If I wanted a MacBook Air, I would get a MacBook Air; but I hate that style and love the more macho Thinkpad style.

    I'm so glad it doesn't have a shiny screen too.

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  18. seen it before by Chirs · · Score: 1

    I think the Samsung series 9 does the same...or maybe it was a Sony

  19. UGLY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just when I thought someone finally made a decent Air-alike, they saved the day by making it butt-ugly by way of ThinkPad-branding. Red ugly buttons and dots, horrible and prominent brand names (inside and out), useless clitoris-stick, and don't forget the trackpad buttons on the wrong side of the track pad, so you can't actually use it with just one hand.

    Looks is not everything, but it's the only thing you can actually be different from everyone else, since the innards are all but identical to begin with. Why should I buy an ugly Lenovo when I can buy a pretty (but otherwise identical) Air for the same money instead?

  20. Yet another ultra-proprietary power connector!!! by itsme1234 · · Score: 2

    What the heck is wrong with these companies? Are they really getting so much revenue in replacement power supplies that they have to screw everybody and their dog in the process?
    Not only you can't change the (non-removable) battery but you also can't easily use any existent "power pack" (like powergorilla, not that I recommend that one but it's easy to google for and see what I mean). You can't just grab a "generic" laptop power supply (the one that comes with multiple voltages and a bunch of rounded tips) from any shop if you forgot/lost yours.
    Also you can't consolidate on chargers/use your existent one, you can't efficiently charge it from an appropriate DC power supply without going via the inefficient route inverter->original power supply.
    It seems these devices are designed more for executives with more money than sense than for people who actually travel and need the advertised portability.

  21. Re:Shiny? by itsme1234 · · Score: 1, Informative

    And it doesn't?!
    Even netbooks from 2008 have LED backlit screen, possibly by now it isn't even worth mentioning.

  22. Re:Shiny? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It has an LED backlit screen....

    source: lenovo's press release

  23. Lenovo just might be screwing it up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I work in the janitorial field. We clean banks, IBM itself, and many software and commercial institutions that use laptops as work stations.
    I can tell you that just about everyone has thinkpad lenovo docking stations. I think that removing the incredibly versatile docking feature would be suicide.

    The 2008 thinkpads with core 2 duo procs run hackintosh like a dream and you can buy one dirt cheap used. Whereas a used 2008 MacBook will set you back 500-700 bucks and you can expect to spend another 120-150 on a new battery. So I have seen many software guys running multiboots on thinkpads as they are still the best bang for the buck by far.

    I personally use an old T42 at home for writing music in complex notation with MuseScore and Mint Linux. Many people that see me easily doing things that normally are done only on a Mac Book pro are blown away with how robust and quick this old T42 is. Sure I rammed it up to 1.5 gig and put in a larger drive than the stock 40 gig. But removing all trace of windows software has made this laptop into something really special. So thinkpads are by far the best choice especially in the used market. I bought this one as government surplus for 75 bucks 3 years ago, and it has never let me down. You can still get a 9 cell after market as the t42 battery is compatible all the way up to the dual core releases which came 2 years later, so getting new batteries is easy and cheap...unlike many other brands like Apple!

    Removing the docking feature will turn one hell of a lot of people off, and not being compatible with older docking stations is a serious mistake as most software people run multiple screens and run an intranet to the dock without internal wifi for security reasons. The new thinkpads look like a huge step in the wrong direction for Lenovo...either that or by including a windows key are instead bending over and taking it from behind for the sake of Microsoft. You can bet that their business sales will tank.

    1. Re:Lenovo just might be screwing it up by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      I believe it does have a docking station but obviously it won't use the old ones and what does the windows key have to do with anything? I believe think pads always had them. I know the one I'm using right now has one and it's around 6 years old.

    2. Re:Lenovo just might be screwing it up by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      This particular model is obviously not meant for people who use docking stations. It's not like they're removing all other models.

    3. Re:Lenovo just might be screwing it up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe it does have a docking station but obviously it won't use the old ones and what does the windows key have to do with anything? I believe think pads always had them. I know the one I'm using right now has one and it's around 6 years old.

      Including a "windows" key is essentially useless when you want to run anything other than windows it is saying to the consumer Microsoft is the only option. Lenovo during the takeover introduced the key not IBM. Lenovo is bowing down to Redmond completely. I would not at all be surprised if Lenovo starts manufacturing for Microsoft. Perhaps their real corporate headquarter are in Redmond or there is some very shady crap going on...after all the Chinese are just as suseptable to dollars under the table as other so called post communist nations are. Hell even Nokia swallowed the koolaid.

      Secondly there is no docking port...period. More to the point unless Lenovo builds a proprietary one hooking up by usb3 then they are sunk in the video and photo shop industry. Even so a usb3 docking device would not have the same efficiency as one that hooks directly to the different buses and provides direct video access to effectively use multiple monitors at high res.

      If there is no effective high res capable video out then they are really screwing things up. With what they are charging you would think that a fully capable multi port hdmi would be included. I have worked in a/v for many years and I can assure you that someone that is creating content for tv or writing software will not even consider this laptop, and laptops are essential for field work. Most pros connect their laptop to the dock at work and use full sized keyboard and mouse with multiple monitors in the past Thinkpads were the very best now they are just becoming another overpriced consumer toy.

  24. I'd pay more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If Lenovo offered a computer equal to IBM's old Thinkpad build quality, I'd happily pay 3-500 USD extra. If the extra cost saves me two day's productivity 2 years from now, it is worth every cent.

    Second, what is with the ultra wide screens? I use my computer for work, not watching movies. 900 pixels up and down is what you get on a cell phone. I'd like to be able to see more than 5 lines of code at one time thank you.

    I have a T420s. When I run computationally intensive tasks with the CPU at 100%, it over heats and blue screens. Usually takes about 10 minutes. The thermal management sucks. It has a good CPU, Intel i5-2540M, but I can't use it for more than surfing the web. To do actual work I have to set the system clock down @ 60% to prevent overheating. The USB ports are flaky. Especially the USB 3.0 port. It doesn't work. It doesn't always go to sleep when you close the lid. If you put in a back pack without noticing sleep failed to kick in, it overheats in minutes. Another issue is that it randomly refuses to start. This isn't all bad. Each time it has this problem it scares me into doing a backup. Pulling the battery out, unplugging it and letting it sit for 2-5 minutes has always resolved the start-up problem.

    That said, if you can place it on top of an A/C vent, when it's running, it's great. If you couldn't have guessed already, I also like Jaguars.

  25. Thinkad regression by rduke15 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    So this new Thinkpad weighs the same as my X200, but has no Ethernet port (with a stupid adapter instead), no swappable/replaceable battery, soldered-on RAM, and a weird keyboard layout which puts the Home/End keys far away from the Page Up/Down keys.

    If that's the new trend for Thinkpads, I'm afraid that after all these years with various X* models, I will I will have to look at other brands.

    1. Re:Thinkad regression by fph+il+quozientatore · · Score: 2

      It weighs the same as your X200, but it has a 2'' larger screen.

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    2. Re:Thinkad regression by fnj · · Score: 1

      Why would you reach that conclusion? This model is obviously a response to the similarly-crippled Macbook Air. It would have rocked if they could have made it without having most of the same drawbacks, but probably no one could. As long as "real" Thinkpads don't have these drawbacks, I'm don't see why you'd take the leap of jumping to another brand, when every brand is going to have the same drawbacks in this particular form factor.

    3. Re:Thinkad regression by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While not a fan of the battery/ram decision, realistically, what fraction of users replace these during the normal life cycle. I have a T500 and had a scare due to the battery connection becoming loose - if the battery was not user serviceable this issue wouldn't have come up. Similarly, out of 10 thinkpads used in my family, none have had a ram replacement, so choosing to avoid a possible loose connection by soldering might be the best choice for the end user.

    4. Re:Thinkad regression by rduke15 · · Score: 1

      After 2 to 3 years of intensive use, Li-Ion batteries become miserable. I have bought new batteries for all the notebooks I have used so far, because the notebook itself was fine for my purposes for yet another 2 or 3 years. I have kept all my notebooks (Toshiba Portégés in the 90', Thinkpads X* since then) for 4 to 7 years. I have also added RAM and changed the hard drive for a bigger one in most of these machines.

      I guess these non-serviceable machines are intended for a different type of users. That would be OK if I didn't sense a trend, making me fear everything will be like that in a few years.

    5. Re:Thinkad regression by rduke15 · · Score: 1

      If you feel a size increase of 2 inches is worth all these drawbacks, I have a few emails which I could forward to you :-)

  26. Brightness by jones_supa · · Score: 2

    From the article:

    It might not be the brightest LCD in the lab at 300 nits but it's bright enough [...]

    Actually, 300 nits is damn bright. They probably couldn't crank the brightness high enough or for some reason had a unit with a lower spec screen. Most current laptops at max brightness are in the 200 nits (cd/m^2) ballpark. Notebookcheck.net even has the lab and they indeed confirmed the manufacturer rating in their Lenovo X1 review:

    Information
    Gossen Mavo-Monitor
    Maximum: 367 cd/m^2
    Average: 330.9 cd/m^2
    Brightness Distribution: 81 %
    Center on Battery: 348 cd/m^2
    Black: 2.8 cd/m^2
    Contrast: 124:1

  27. 128gb??? by unixhero · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The year 2000 called, it wants it 128gb hardrive back.

    1. Re:128gb??? by Jeeeb · · Score: 1

      It's an SSD so not even comparable.

      Also if I recall correctly in 2000 I was a Compaq PC with a 4gb HDD. I think around 2001 I added a 30gb drive to it and that seemed big. 128gb would have been considered huge in 2000.

    2. Re:128gb??? by Jeeeb · · Score: 1
      Also if I recall correctly in 2000 I was a Compaq PC with a 4gb HDD

      Ahhh... I what a beautiful verb to have missed... Wish /. had an edit button

    3. Re:128gb??? by unixhero · · Score: 1

      Okay, so let's say mid 2001 then. Happy pappy? In fact you couldn't buy 128, but 120gb disks. I don't care about SSD. 128gb or even 256gb is not sufficient. This IS 2012. And don't get me started on going backwards in time with displays, wxga and wxga+ is not enough!!! aaaaaaaargh!.

    4. Re:128gb??? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      I don't care about SSD.

      Plenty of people do.

      In my opinion, 128gb or even 256gb is not sufficient.

      There, FTFY. I've got a 60gb SSD (soon to be upgraded to 120gb, but mainly because the write speed on that one is 5x faster) which is perfectly sufficient for me.

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    5. Re:128gb??? by cnettel · · Score: 1

      No 2.5" 120 GB existed in 2001 either. 60 GB was a high-end laptop option in 2004. The first 1 TB desktop drive was released in 2007. And according to an old Engadget posting, the 120 GB Momentus was a big deal in 2005. Now, 7 years is of course a long time, but it's almost half of what you claimed. The minimum storage need for a modern OS has barely increased in that time, with the exception that you might to some extent have dual userspaces if you used to do only 32-bit and now support 64 as well as 32.

    6. Re:128gb??? by Jeeeb · · Score: 1

      I think the MacBook I bought in December 2008 has a 160 (or 120?) gb HDD. That's less than 4 years ago...

      You may not care about having an SSD but I do. By far the biggest performance limitation on all my computers is disk read speed. Increasing read speed has a far bigger performance impact than adding more ram or more cores to the CPU. If you want mass storage buy an external USB drive. I think you can get a 1TB disk for around $100 these days. The disk you have the operating system on _should_ be an SSD in any half decent modern system.

    7. Re:128gb??? by JAlexoi · · Score: 1

      Less pr0n, my dearie.... (I'm still good with a 50GB HDD in my T42)

    8. Re:128gb??? by jbolden · · Score: 1

      In 2000 I bought a $4000 laptop with a 50g drive. It was a couple years after that you could get 128g.

      But more importantly my hard drive is 450MB/sec in my laptop. In 2000 you would have been hard pressed to get a ram drive that fast. And 256g would have cost millions. The laptop hard drives coming out a speedwise comparable to the fastest raids from just a few years ago. That's huge improvement.

      Now don't get me wrong I'd love to see hybrid drives really catch on, where you get almost the performance of SSD with the capacity of HDD. A 3TB drive with 180GB SSD cache makes much more sense than either in isolation.

    9. Re:128gb??? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      Your doing pretty good with this Turing test thing though....

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    10. Re:128gb??? by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      My MBP has a 128 gb SSD and the Thinkpad I'm on has a 256gb. Both are far more than enough for a portable device. My MBP has all my work plus some games and music and I still have more than enough room to transfer any project I'd need to or even HD videos. The only thing it would *really* need more than that for is gaming and it's certainly not a gaming laptop.

  28. Re:Shiny? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... macho ...

    Disarming honesty.

  29. Re:Shiny? by Carewolf · · Score: 2

    It is TOO shiny, please for the love of god, make one with a proper matte screen.

  30. Keyboard backlight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    From TFA
    > Big love for the backlight, Lenovo. Big love.

    Really, so there are still people born in the computer age who actually need to look at the keyboard? People who have been using a computer with a keyboard in there professional life? Why? /rant

    1. Re:Keyboard backlight by fa2k · · Score: 1

      Some times it takes me a minute to find ^ on a GB keyboard. It's just in a really inconvenient place on top of the 6. My 2 year old Thinkpad has a light at the top of the screen next to the webcam, which illuminates the keyboard. I'd much rather keep that setup if I can have the old keyboard.

    2. Re:Keyboard backlight by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      Some of us use more than one computer and they don't have standard layouts, certainly not on laptops so yes if you're brain is still set on another keyboard then you do. For me the alphabetical keys aren't an issue but why only light some keys which may only suit some people and not others?

  31. Re:Let me guess the price by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Comparing as close as possible specs, the 1.8GHz i5 with 128GB SSD and 4GB of RAM costs $1,199 for the MacBook Air and $1,499 for the ThinkPad. For the 2GHz i7, the MBA is $1,499, the ThinkPad is $1,849. However, the ThinkPad has a 14" screen instead of 13" (not sure if this is a pro or con in a portability-at-all-costs Ultrabook), integrated 3G (need a USB dongle for the MBA). The ThinkPad lacks Thunderbolt, so USB is the fastest peripheral interface. The ThinkPad is marginally larger in one dimension, marginally smaller in two more, so about the same volume and the weight difference between the two is under 0.1%. The ThinkPad comes with a 3-year warranty, but this costs extra for the MBA (unless you buy from the education store), which brings the cost quite a bit closer. The cost of upgrading to 8GB of RAM for the ThinkPad is not listed - it's not even clear that it's an option, which is a shame because that's something I'd be pretty sure to want.

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  32. mmm black.... by pbjones · · Score: 1

    I have a ThinkPad, they are very nice to use, and I'd buy the new one, but it comes with Windows....

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    1. Re:mmm black.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lenovo PCs and Windows® 7 are better together. Get the best computing experience possible with faster start-up and connection times plus more entertainment and security features than ever before.

  33. I'll take modular design with lots of ports/slots! by silly_sysiphus · · Score: 2

    One of my best friends is drooling over this, but I think the opposite direction makes a lot more sense--try 1.2" thick (really not that bad), in order to get ethernet, removable battery, optical drive (swappable for an extra hard drive, battery, etc), docking connector, etc. Oh, and latches to keep the darn thing shut, thanks. The whole thin==better thing really doesn't lend itself to longevity.

  34. Nope by frisket · · Score: 1

    Apart from being wedge-shaped (so they'll get their ass sued by Apple), the moment I looked at the video and saw the huge block of a power charger, it was clear that this isn't the portable Air-slayer that it might have been. I want something I can take away without having to lug half a ton of support equipment with me.

    But the show-stopper is that vertical resolution. 900px is strictly for the brain-dead. Manufacturers think all anyone ever does is watch videos. Some of us need portable computers to do (gasp) work, and that means being able to see a whole-page document at readable resolution without having to use a microscope and without having to scroll the page vertically. Even my old Dell 4:3 Inspiron has a 1400×1050 display, and the only competitor to that at the moment is Apple's Retina display, which I tested last week and find I can read perfectly. Yes, I know you can get screens up to 1080px high, but the quality is crap and the prices ludicrous.

    So snooze on, Lenovo, you've got a lot of research to do yet. Have a Google for laptop vertical resolution...

    1. Re:Nope by Mattsson · · Score: 1

      Actually, the Apple design-patent regarding their ultrabook laptops is a drop shape, not a wedge shape, so Lenovo should be safe as long as they stick to the excellent Thinkpad tradition of sharp corners.

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    2. Re:Nope by fnj · · Score: 1

      As long as we're throwing around meaningless personal preferences, 900 pixels is fine. 768 is unusable. Mine is 1440x900 13" and i scorn all the 99% losers trying to live with 1366x768 on 12", 13", 14" or 15". That extra 132 pixels makes all the difference to me. More is gravy, but less is unusable.

      I bet we can both agree that 1024x600 is to gag at. If I ever had one of those dogs, there's no way I could resist the impulse to just hurl it against concrete.

    3. Re:Nope by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      Apple hasn't patented a wedge shape and in fact mention previous wedge shaped designs beforehand and actually doesn't mention wedge at all in their airbook design patent because the patent is for the whole design of the airbook. Not wedges.

  35. No space for RJ45 by TeknoHog · · Score: 2

    The ThinkPad X1 Carbon is so thin actually, that a standard RJ45 port couldn't be squeezed into its side edge, so Lenovo includes a USB Ethernet dongle with the machine.

    This is starting to be a wider issue, so perhaps a more robust solution is in order. Some tablets apparently have proprietary connectors, where RJ45 can be plugged with a passive adapter. Could we agree on a smaller standard for such an electrically identical Ethernet connector? Maybe while we are starting over, we could avoid earlier design mistakes, like the plastic tongue that breaks off easily.

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    1. Re:No space for RJ45 by Mattsson · · Score: 1

      A new industry standard would be one way to go, and probably the best.
      Another solution is to license the XJACK-design.
      It's a retractable RJ45-connector with a height of about 5mm.
      Much better solution than idiotic adapters.

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    2. Re:No space for RJ45 by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

      Another solution is to license the XJACK-design. It's a retractable RJ45-connector with a height of about 5mm. Much better solution than idiotic adapters.

      Good point, I now remember seeing those back in the day. But they do not look exactly robust to me. I can imagine these breaking off as users unplug the cable in a hurry, and shove the laptop in a case. Adapters can be a hassle, but at least they make it obvious that you still have something plugged in. (One of my professors used to do this with USB memory sticks plugged in; he now carries a short extension cable for these, as they have less leverage for breaking things.)

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    3. Re:No space for RJ45 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The XJACKs are indeed not very robust, and 3com was apparently aware of this and shipped at least the later modems with 3 easily installed spares for the U-shaped outer part. I suspect the Ethernet adapters were also supplied with spares, but back in the days when PCMCIA/Cardbus Network cards were necessary due to the lack of builtin ports, you'd usually also have 2 PCMCIA slots which would provide enough room for a Xircom "Realport" card with an integrated standard RJ45 socket that mounts flush with the notebook case.

      I'm all for the XJACK, and the lack of one is one of the most important reasons why I hate the Macbook Air I've got for work now.

    4. Re:No space for RJ45 by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Why not just use thunderbolt? And for wires you just use a thunderbolt to ethernet adapter. Those can be made cheap. Thunderbolt is good for up to 10GB / sec (possibly more). It allows you to chain more than one device so you could have one port on the laptop server: mouse, keyboard, screen, ethernet... with a docking station.

      That is essentially Apple's proposal.

    5. Re:No space for RJ45 by fnj · · Score: 1

      Indeed the XJACK is pretty crappy. I have seen them broken off, the contacts all bent or even snapped off, etc.

      Ethernet only requires 4 conductors, even for 100Base-TX[*]; the RJ-11 telephone jack has 6, so why in the blazes don't we just use RJ-11's? I would just package a short cheap 6" RJ-45 jack to RJ-11 dongle cord. It's not ideal, but it's a lot better than those fragile make-do's.

      [*] I guess gigabit requires all 8 conductors, but it would be a fair tradeoff for me to be restricted to 100 MBps for such a tiny device.

    6. Re:No space for RJ45 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about sitting all manufacturers at a table to design micro-ethernet?

    7. Re:No space for RJ45 by amorsen · · Score: 1

      If you're stuck at 100Mbps, why bother with wired ethernet at all?

      Yes I know the answer, needing to access management networks which aren't reachable through Wifi. I need that too. I also need a serial port for console access. However, there is no longer a mass market for 100Mbps ethernet or serial ports on laptops.

      If we are going to do RJ-11, it would make more sense to define a standard for 1Gbps over 2 pairs. It would be easy to do with the electronics available today.

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    8. Re:No space for RJ45 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thunderbolt is PCIe + DVI hacked together. Which means a "network cable" for thunderbolt is a full-blown PCIe NIC. Likely, some piece of crap from realtek instead of a proper Intel or Broadcom hardware-accelerated MSI-X-capable multi-queue NIC which actually helps the notebook talk at wirespeed without wasting a ton of power.

      No, thank you.

    9. Re:No space for RJ45 by jbolden · · Score: 1

      I'm not following your objection. People are getting 5 Gb / sec already in real life it seems to work well. I'm not sure about the power issue.

    10. Re:No space for RJ45 by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

      If we are going to do RJ-11, it would make more sense to define a standard for 1Gbps over 2 pairs. It would be easy to do with the electronics available today.

      It seems the cabling requirement might be a problem, not the electronics per se. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigabit_ethernet#1000BASE-TX

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    11. Re:No space for RJ45 by amorsen · · Score: 1

      Yes, I don't mean 1000BASE-TX. I am convinced that it is possible to do 1Gbps over 2 pairs of category 5 cabling with the electronics we have today. VDSL2 can do 200Mbps on one pair of category 3, category 5 has more than 5 times as much bandwidth available. The power requirements for the DSP might still be too high for laptops (I bet the DSPs in most 10GBASE-T-switches could do it though).

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  36. Rather than moderate... by Kupfernigk · · Score: 1

    I will just note that it depends on the design of the hinge. There is no "must" about it. But then, anybody whose view of economics is a simplistic as your sig presumably isn't too good at systems design.

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    1. Re:Rather than moderate... by temcat · · Score: 1

      Regarding "must": http://speakspeak.com/resources/english-grammar-rules/modal-verbs/must-have-to

      Yes, it's just my opinion, and I'm definitely no system designer, just a consumer. So I welcome your correction.

      As for my signature, it's not about economics but about ethics.

  37. It's a laptop by Kupfernigk · · Score: 1

    I cannot think of a single occasion when I'm mobile that I would need more than 128G in a laptop. I would rather have the extra capacity in a USB HDD (actually I have mine in a 1Gbyte Firewire drive, but I digress). I can backup the laptop to the FW drive, replace it cheaply every year (called "insurance"). This is a more reliable and easy to understand solution for people who use computers for business.

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    1. Re:It's a laptop by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      I can think of LOTS of reasons (says the guy who plonked down for a 512 GB SSD).

      Photoshop. Maya. Modo.

      Video.

      Parallels.

      and the list goes on.....

      YMMW.

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    2. Re:It's a laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find it useful to haul everything I need around when I'm traveling. I've got VMs and stuff though so even 512 GB is insufficient.

    3. Re:It's a laptop by aXis100 · · Score: 1

      You want to run photoshop on a laptop? What sort of massochist are you?

      There are some people who need to have a large amounts of data whilst travelling around with their laptops, but those are very few and far between - and even then USB3 is a viable solution. 128GB for the OS and basic business applications is fine.

       

  38. Wedge shaped it a functional feature by Kupfernigk · · Score: 1

    A wedge shape tilts the keyboard to a convenient angle and ensures the weight distribution makes carrying easier. Therefore, a generic wedge shape can never be a design patent. Apple must design patent a very specific shape with sufficient non-functional decoration to make it a "design".

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  39. RAM by fa2k · · Score: 0

    Who can get by with 4 GB these days? Firefox almost uses so much. Fire up a VM and you're done. There should be a 4 GB optioo for people who only ever use a browser and MS Word, because lots of RAM has disadvantages: more power use and longer hibernate times (the latter only if the RAM is actually used). For me this would be just as bad as my two year old thinkpad -- I unly use it for email and music because it can't do much else.

    1. Re:RAM by silly_sysiphus · · Score: 1

      The really crazy bit is how some of the late-2010 (and maybe even more recent) Macbook Airs shipped with 2GB of non-upgradable RAM. Absolutely insane.

  40. Re:Shiny? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe what he really means is retina display.

    I want 2560x1600+!

  41. The Thinkpad X1 has been Carbon Tested... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so how old is it?

    1. Re:The Thinkpad X1 has been Carbon Tested... by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      Something's wrong, the reading I'm getting is -573 days.

  42. Re:Yet another ultra-proprietary power connector!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure if the accessories for this model were announced, but DC-DC power adapters for virtually all previous Thinkpad models were made and sold by Lenovo. No inverter needed.

    Thinkpads in particular need a proprietary adapter because the system senses the available wattage and reconfigures itself accordingly. For example, the T420s disables its discrete graphics when used in a docking station with a 60W adapter, because the total power consumption rises above 60W. It re-enables it when you plug in the 90W adapter. You can't sense this on a generic power adapter.

  43. Re:Shiny? by bemymonkey · · Score: 3, Informative

    Of course it has an LED backlit screen - CCFL backlit screens haven't been sold in laptops for years.

  44. Re:Yet another ultra-proprietary power connector!! by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

    Did you miss the part about where the damn thing charges in 35 minutes to 85%?

    Damn that's sexy. Proprietary adaptor or not.

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  45. legacy problems of thinkpad remain(made worse...) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The clunkyness of the thinkpad remains.

    The thinkpad seems to continue to want to push the eraser-head-joystick-stuck-in-the-middle-of-the-keyboard idea. I guess some people like that ...

    Previously, the thinkpad buttons above and below the touchpad, to support the eraser-head and the more common touchpad use.
    Now, it looks like they got rid of the more common touchpad buttons.
    I'm sure, you now use soft buttons. Those are really useful if you like to edit documents, and have the cursor accidentally moving around, inserting text in random places or deleting unintended text... but why not have soft buttons at the top too, I'm sure that would be just as useful.

    The screen looks to be the glare type. I guess shininess outweighs usefulness.

    The design uses the hinge behind design, which is also unfortunate. While the level of the display for your eyes, is already limited for a thin laptop, hinging behind lowers it even more, and I think is only done to copy apple.

  46. Re:Yet another ultra-proprietary power connector!! by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

    I was surprised about the battery because the EU now mandates that they are recyclable, but it seems to be an unfortunately growing trend. Apparently if you can remove the battery for disposal, even destroying the laptop in the process, that is okay under the current rules.

    Hopefully the EU will go a bit further and require user replaceable batteries. It's bad enough having to throw away a perfectly good electric toothbrush after two years because the battery is dead.

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  47. Re:Shiny? by zrbyte · · Score: 1

    I for one welcome our new carbon fiber reinforced universal computing machines!

  48. byebye air by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want this....I have a mac AIR now but I don't care for OSX much and also not crazy about the aluminum also not having mouse buttons sucks too. and apple didnt give me no ethernet dongle!! fuckers

  49. Re:Shiny? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    ThinkPads and Apple has two different target audience.
    Apple targets consumers, while the ThinkPad is business oriented.

    Apple changes it's style every few years. ThinkPads still haral back to its initial style about 20 years ago.
    In many ways it is a testimate of the think pad style.

    Matted black. When it isn't shiny you don't notice the scrapes and bangs over the years. Sharper angles allows for more technology to fit in a particular space. Tough material that allows it to stay together well without babying it.

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  50. Re:Yet another ultra-proprietary power connector!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No. A nicely proportioned beautiful woman is "sexy". Electronic gear is most certainly not and never will be.

  51. Thinkpad Back/Forward buttons by Guppy · · Score: 2

    I'd rather have page up/page down there than the back/forward buttons that were there before - I've hit the back key and lost everything that I was typing into a webpage far too many times with those damn things.

    I've done that a couple of times, including losing lengthy Slashdot response posts. I've been dealing with it by using the Lazarus plugin (for Firefox, Chrome, and Safari), which allows me to retrieve lost form submissions.

    Note: the plugin encrypts saved form data, but it might still be a problem for users with high security requirements.

  52. 1600x900 is *good*? by sunderland56 · · Score: 1

    If they're attempting to compete with Apple, or other decent laptops, shouldn' they have at least a 1920 x 1080 display?

    I'm typing this on a W500 with 1920x1080, so I know they have the technology. It's a high-end laptop, so the price difference isn't that significant. At least offer a good display as a $100 option.

    1. Re:1600x900 is *good*? by Teun · · Score: 1

      It gets worse, the thing sells here in The Netherlands with a 1366 x 768 screen...

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    2. Re:1600x900 is *good*? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IBM used to offer great screen options for Thinkpads, but Lenovo has converged on the same crappy screens every other bulk manufacturer uses. For old times' sake they added an IPS option for the X220 but the only available resolution is measly 1366x768.

  53. Re:Let me guess the price by Colonel+Korn · · Score: 1

    Comparing as close as possible specs, the 1.8GHz i5 with 128GB SSD and 4GB of RAM costs $1,199 for the MacBook Air and $1,499 for the ThinkPad. For the 2GHz i7, the MBA is $1,499, the ThinkPad is $1,849. However, the ThinkPad has a 14" screen instead of 13" (not sure if this is a pro or con in a portability-at-all-costs Ultrabook), integrated 3G (need a USB dongle for the MBA). The ThinkPad lacks Thunderbolt, so USB is the fastest peripheral interface. The ThinkPad is marginally larger in one dimension, marginally smaller in two more, so about the same volume and the weight difference between the two is under 0.1%. The ThinkPad comes with a 3-year warranty, but this costs extra for the MBA (unless you buy from the education store), which brings the cost quite a bit closer. The cost of upgrading to 8GB of RAM for the ThinkPad is not listed - it's not even clear that it's an option, which is a shame because that's something I'd be pretty sure to want.

    You can look at the Lenovo site for upgrade pricing. Anyway, the real price for a ThinkPad is much lower than the list price - Lenovo usually has enormous coupons stackable with sales that are always running. I think the need for coupons is annoying, but if you're willing to jump through the hoops, the price for an X1C today is about $1100-1200. Also, the cost of an 8 GB RAM upgrade on the X1C is the cost of buying that RAM on Amazon (about $40) - the machine is meant to be user upgradeable. The same is true of the hard drive.

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  54. Re:Shiny? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

    Why fixate on Apple products?

    If anything, all of this "Ultrabook" nonsense just reminds me of Sony products from the turn of the century.

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  55. Re:Let me guess the price by AshtangiMan · · Score: 1

    The FA refers to the ram being soldered on to the mobo, and says that you're stuck with whatever configuration you buy. Though some might be able to upgrade this configuration I would not call it user upgrade able.

  56. not impressed with "thinnest dimension" metrics by loshwomp · · Score: 1

    FFS, I am only 0.3 inches at my thinnest dimension. And no, it's not where you're thinking.

    1. Re:not impressed with "thinnest dimension" metrics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm thinking its your pinky? Am I close?

    2. Re:not impressed with "thinnest dimension" metrics by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      If your ears are that thick at their thinnest point, you need to check with a doctor - it may be a tumor.

    3. Re:not impressed with "thinnest dimension" metrics by loshwomp · · Score: 1

      If your ears are that thick at their thinnest point, you need to check with a doctor - it may be a tumor.

      Right, and we could proceed to measuring the thickness of fingernails or even-sillier- things, and we'd still have but scratched the surface of how pointless "thinnest dimension" metrics are.

    4. Re:not impressed with "thinnest dimension" metrics by ThePeices · · Score: 1

      eyelashes? nipples? fingernails?

  57. Re:Shiny? by dwater · · Score: 1

    > Why fixate on Apple products?

    I wasn't. I was replying to someone who, perhaps, was.

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  58. Re:Let me guess the price by chenjeru · · Score: 1

    According to the review, the X1 RAM is soldered onto the motherboard and is not user-modifiable. Do you have a reference somewhere?

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  59. Re:Shiny? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

    ... macho ...

    Disarming honesty.

    Or just hopeless optimism.

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  60. Is carbon appropriate here? by hackertourist · · Score: 1

    I know it looks cool and all, but does it offer an advantage over your typical injection-moulded plastic case? I've had a couple of Dell laptops, and they all twist noticeably when you pick them up by one corner. If you drop them, the frame flexes and transmits the stress on the motherboard. I broke one by having it drop from 30 cm.
    The alternative is Apple's milled-from-a-block-of-aluminium case. It feels more solid, and I expect it does a better job of protecting the internals.
    Carbon fiber is strong in both compression and tension, but is much weaker in bending. It's also brittle. So how well would this material work as a laptop case?

    1. Re:Is carbon appropriate here? by silly_sysiphus · · Score: 1

      A plastic case is fine, so long as there's an internal frame--don't make an ABS shell your loaded member.

  61. UX32VD by LocoMosquito · · Score: 1

    In my opinion ASUS UX32VD is much better choice, except for apple air like design. 1080p S-IPS and GT620M graphics are major advantages. And it's cheaper.

  62. Re:Yet another ultra-proprietary power connector!! by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No. A nicely proportioned beautiful woman is "sexy". Electronic gear is most certainly not and never will be.

    I'm very sorry, but you are clearly new here.

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  63. Re:Yet another ultra-proprietary power connector!! by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

    Hopefully the EU will go a bit further and require user replaceable batteries. It's bad enough having to throw away a perfectly good electric toothbrush after two years because the battery is dead.

    No, I hope they don't. I think manufacturers should be allowed to make battery access any way they like. You might prefer a user replaceable battery - fine, that's a perfectly reasonable design feature, but it needn't be mandated. I personally feel that the current MacBook Pro approach is fine. I can replace the battery with 10 minutes of time and a screwdriver, certain mechanically declined folks will want to send it to someone that isn't scared of screwdrivers, but it should be left to the manufacturer's discretion.

    16:9 screens, OTOH, should be banned forever....

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  64. Re:I'll take modular design with lots of ports/slo by fnj · · Score: 1

    The super-thin fad is just that. A silly fad. Form over function. Portability is governed by weight, and by max dimensions - NOT thickness, which is an inconsequential factor by itself. It's completely irrelevant in any REAL sense how thick a notebook is, given that they are all huge in length and width.

  65. Re:Yet another ultra-proprietary power connector!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It has taken under 90 minutes to fully charge (97% or better) every laptop I have ever owned.

    I see nothing special here.

  66. Re:I'll take modular design with lots of ports/slo by gaiageek · · Score: 1

    I guess it depends on how you define portability. As someone who stuffs a ~1.2" thick Thinkpad T400 into a carry-on-sized backpack, one of the requirements of my next notebook is that it is thin - at least under an inch. Sure, a pound heavier or lighter will make some difference on my back when carrying it, but regardless of that, if it's thin I'll have an easier time stuffing into an already stuffed carry-on bag.

  67. Re:Yet another ultra-proprietary power connector!! by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

    I'm sure if you need the battery replaced they'll sort it out for you and take care of the old one just like Apple or anyone else.

    Everyone bitched when Apple was supposedly making their system proprietary to lock people in but this is the thing, it's hard to make something that small and still get all the benefits of a big ass laptop. You can still buy a big thinkpad. Do that instead if you want.

  68. Re:I'll take modular design with lots of ports/slo by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

    You mean similar to this, but with more sane options?

  69. The Look by ThePeices · · Score: 1

    While I appreciate that many people like the look and feel of Thinkpads, I admit that I find it to be very.....retro looking. It looks like something out of the 90's. Monotone with faded colour highlights, sharp hard angular edges, and a low resolution screen ( 900 vertical pixels? for a high-end laptop? really? )

    Not to mention that nipple pointer thingy. meh.

  70. Re:Shiny? by ThePeices · · Score: 2

    In many ways it is a testimate of the think pad style.

    What is a testimate? A grumpy friend?

  71. Re:legacy problems of thinkpad remain(made worse.. by Teun · · Score: 1
    Basically they should just have left the touchpad off the computer, who uses them anyways?
    I'm serious, these things don't even get close to the usability/ accuracy of a mouse or trackpoint with three buttons and only cause your cursor to jump when typing.
    With the useless trackpad out of the way we could have had a proper keyboard layout with full size PgUp/PgDn Home and End buttons.
    Yes shiny screens are an insult to the user.

    I do like the hinge system where the opened screen raises the computer off the desk giving an improved ventilation.

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  72. Already is Reliable Birth Control for Men... by SirBitBucket · · Score: 1

    Just show your woman Slashdot... Works every time.

  73. Re:Shiny? by Geeky · · Score: 1

    A friend who talks bollocks?

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  74. Re:I'll take modular design with lots of ports/slo by silly_sysiphus · · Score: 1

    On the other hand, a slightly thicker machine allows for adequate cooling for powerful internals. My quad i7/FirePro-equipped machine isn't tiny, granted, but unlike a Macbook Air I had (briefly), it doesn't throttle the processor to keep from overheating for simple stuff like a bit of MATLAB or Flash video. Or randomly overheat and shut down. That part was fun, too... The footprint of the machine matters far more than the thickness, within reason. Hence why the efficient 14" 4:3 designs are mourned by so many who travel...

  75. Re:Yet another ultra-proprietary power connector!! by cerberusss · · Score: 1

    You can't just grab a "generic" laptop power supply (the one that comes with multiple voltages and a bunch of rounded tips) from any shop if you forgot/lost yours

    Isn't it just a matter of time before the generic laptop power supplies include a new tip?

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  76. too expensive, still peppered with horrible logos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is much more expensive than a Macbook Air (I thought apple was supposed to be the expensive option?) and it STILL has that horrible looking ancient logo bottom right. By the looks of it it isn't even a sticker that you can pull off.

    I really want to like it, but no thanks.

  77. NO optical drives.... by scharkalvin · · Score: 1

    The one thing that all these Ultrabooks (Air Clones) lack is a built in optical drive. The slot loading kind are thin enough to fit into all but the thinnest notebooks (the 13" MacBooks are reasonably sized though not true Ultrabooks). I like to use my laptop for in-flight entertainment on trips, and the built in optical drive is requred for this (unless you have downloaded digital copies of DVD's). Replaceable batteries are also nice to extend your up time (keep a spare, charged pack with you). True I'm talking about a larger, heavier solution (but not by THAT much).

  78. Re:Yet another ultra-proprietary power connector!! by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

    Thinkpads in particular need a proprietary adapter because the system senses the available wattage and reconfigures itself accordingly. For example, the T420s disables its discrete graphics when used in a docking station with a 60W adapter, because the total power consumption rises above 60W. It re-enables it when you plug in the 90W adapter. You can't sense this on a generic power adapter.

    I've found a lot of laptops like that actually - from Apples, to Dells and Lenovos. They all tend to use the same connector across multiple lines (hint, hint), but different laptops have different requirements. Sometimes it results in a "this system cannot charge" message if the adapter is just barely enough, to modulating power consumption.

    Not enabling discrete graphics is pretty unique - it's usually a case where it runs off a mix of battery and AC power - too small an adapter and it doesn't charge the battery (and if necessary, will pull power from the battery.

    This is usually more an issue on aircraft sockets which usually only provide between 50-75W of power, and if it doesn't work, sometimes you have ot pull the battery to get it to work as the laptop's tripping the inverter trying to run itself and charge the battery. Though proper adapters can communicate that fact back so it works without having to do any tricks.

  79. Re:Let me guess the price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thinkpad X1 Carbon starts at $1250 in reality not $1400 (Just check lenovo.com). Not identical obviously, MBA is 1.8ghz as you mention, Thinkpad has higher res display & bigger, etc.

  80. Re:Yet another ultra-proprietary power connector!! by itsme1234 · · Score: 1

    No, not unless the device sells better than the iphone; they concentrate on round generic connectors.
    This "usb-like" power connector will be most likely patented to hell and back and even if you might find some adapter on ebay for sure you won't find it in any brick and mortar store.