Kindle Fire Is Sold Out Forever
An anonymous reader writes with this excerpt from geek.com: "Amazon has released a rather bizarre bit of news today. The Kindle Fire has completely sold out. You can no longer buy one, and the wording of the press release suggests there won't be any more manufactured. In nine months on sale Amazon claims to have secured 22 percent of tablet sales in the U.S.. With that in mind, Amazon will definitely be selling more Kindle Fires, however, the next one you'll be able to buy will probably have a '2' at the end of the name. Jeff Bezos said that the Kindle Fire is Amazon's most successful product launch so far and that there's 'an exciting roadmap ahead.' He also confirmed Amazon will continue to offer hardware, but there's no detail beyond that." Also covered on Slashcloud.
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If you remember correctly, Amazon isn't the first one to do this. Apple did this as well with the first generation iPhone, the original iPhones were sold out before the launch of the iPhone 3G.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/23/us-amazon-event-idUSBRE87M0XH20120823
That's the only reason I can think of that they would stop making money. It's like how Microsoft used to lose money on every Xbox sold, or Sony and the PS3. They wanted a foot in the door of the market, and their next offering will be something that makes them money for each unit sold, rather than losing them money.
they might have been sold out, but the understanding at the time that more stock was on the way... apple never said "we're not going to sell the iphone any more!"
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I'll consider the KF2 if Amazon can prove they've permanently removed the ability to remotely delete files from it. No "Sorry (that we got caught)," no "We really truly promise, cross our hearts and hope to die, that we won't use this remote-kill feature which we've conveniently left fully intact and operational on our store servers." I'm not settling for anything less than "We're sorry we fucked with your property, we were wrong to do it irrespective of any licensing disputes, and we've irreversibly crippled our own ability to ever do it again. Here's proof and here's the list of files to rename or delete on your own device to make sure that even if we change our minds, we won't be able to do it to you ever again." Otherwise, I'll keep steering people toward Nook, BeBook, Onyxbook, Kobo, and other brands. Except Sony, of course.
I'm unwilling to buy a device that I end up not truly owning and controlling. I consider the lack of WLAN connectivity on my BeBook to be a feature after what Amazon pulled with 1984.
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Ya that was my exact thoughts as well. I went the nook route rather than the kindle route, and I went with an actual Ereader than a tablet but I've played with the fire and it is a good tablet especially for its price.
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Amazon will definitely be selling more Kindle Fires, however, the next one you'll be able to buy will probably have a "2 at the end of the name.
I take it this is a typo... surely they meant 2", as in, Kindle Fire 2", Finally, a kindle fire that you can fit in your mouth!
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An all season, outdoor weathersealed version. Probably won't happen, but it would be more useful to me than one which shorts out in a light drizzle (the ones they've been making.
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All of the examples you give are closer to a razor and blade business model I think.
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Or at least, they must not have been making much. If they can increase the specs slightly and the profit significantly that's enough reason to bring out a new edition. There's a zillion tablets out there now, so they could have a rebranded whatsit with a slightly modified bezel and a different rear panel sticker with little agony on their own parts.
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Huh. I don't really think that an Amazon Kindle Fire 2 at the end of the name. Jeff Bezos said that the Kindle Fire is Amazon's most successful product launch so far and that there's 'an exciting roadmap ahead.' He also confirmed Amazon will continue to offer hardware, but there's no detail beyond that. is a particularly catchy name for a tablet, but I'm sure Amazon have done their market research and focus groups.
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I know Amazon is trying to get everone to store everything in the cloud, but I really hope they put a media slot (micro or regular SD) on the new Kindle.
I'm seriously considering the nook tablet over the Kindle or Nexus 7, because I can't imagine doing anything on a tablet that really pushes the CPU/GPU, but I can see needing more than 16gb of storage. And not having a nearby wifi spot for the cloud, or the patience to download everything over wifi instead of swapping out a memory card.
Either that or they're just plain shitting themselves that Apple is about to eat their lunch.
Good timing for Amazon if they can sell out their existing inventory before Apple moves into the 7 inch device market. Perhaps Amazon has seen the writing on the wall. I expect many players will be forced out of the market.
If Amazon does a Fire 2 it will need to be more than a vanilla Android with a custom GUI. 7 inch devices are about to become a market requiring innovation, not just low pricing.
You can get a cheap, no-name, Android tablet with a capacitive touchscreen for less than $150 and the KF's specs were always fairly low. The CPU's OK, but the screen is 1024x600, there's stereo speakers but no microphone, there's no camera, and the only ports are audio out and micro USB - no video, no audio in. Oh, and it has a whopping 6G of RAM.
I suspect, actually, the KF does cost less than $200 to build. Not much less, but enough for it not to make a loss if someone buys one and never buys a single app or piece of music.
This development strikes me as a classic "Build anticipation for KF2" thing, not a "Phew, we got rid of the things. They were taking up space" type complaint.
Bear in mind that if the KF2 is a sub-$100 device, or alternatively is a $200 device with specs rivaling the N7, people who just bought a KF1 a few days before are going to be very upset with Amazon unless they issue free upgrades. Older Slashdotters may remember Amstrad's CPC664 fiasco where Amstrad replaced a 64K home computer with a 128K one over night, and the resultant bad press it got Amstrad! Consumers think they're being ripped off if a manufacturer makes their brand new device obsolete.
I'm very interested to see what the KF2 will be. Are Amazon going to go for cheap, or are they going to go for a Nexus 7 competitor?
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Traditional wisdom would recommend against such actions.
Why would you continue to make an old product when your new product (Kindle Fire 2) is scheduled to be released any day now? Nothing about that seems bizarre to me.
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Still want Kindle Keyboard v2. Browsing dictionary via or typing on touchscreen is quite cumbersome. I read mostly foreign language books - a real keyboard is a big deal to me.
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The headline of the article is "Kindle Fire 2 expected next week". Why would they deliberately increase the stock of the current generation, when they are going to have to sell them at a discount when the new generation comes out, thus competing with themselves?
The ideal situation for a manufacturer to be in is to sell out all of his old stock exactly when the new product is available. Next best is to have a small gap between product availabilty, building a little pent-up demand. Worst is having excess stock of the old product which must be dumped on the market.
Based on the fact that they have some sort of event scheduled for next week, I'd guess that they ordered what they thought would be enough units from manufacturing to hold them over until the KF2 is released, but ran out. Rather than order a whole new manufacturing run to tide them over for a week, looks like they just decided to wait for their new product launch.
The Nexus 7 is a great device. It's nice to be able to run the latest software without having to jailbreak/root the device sine most MDM software checks for this and disables your access to corporate data. So far I couldn't be happier with mine.
They are probably releasing the Kindle Fire 2 next week. Most likely they incorrectly managed their supply lines, didn't order enough Kindle Fires, and now don't want to order more.
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Barring some announcement from Amazon, my next tablet will be the Google Nexus 7.
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Incorrectly managed their supply lines? Sounds damn near perfect.
Using a ziplock bag seems like a reasonable hack for some people. I even confirmed it works just now. Grabbed a bag from the cabinet, shoved a Kindle Fire in the bag (case and all), turned it on, and proceeded to use it without a problem.
I also just tried a Kindle Touch and LeapPad. Both work fine (though the LeapPad stylus is awkward).
Buy a good ziplock bag and you should be fine even if you go swimming.
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And maybe not. The original Kindle sold for around $500. Do you think they felt "ripped" off when Amazon released the K2 for $250? Or the current base version for $79? Another example: I know many people who paid $25,000 for their Echo-style Priuses but a year later a dealer offered me one for a mere $18,000 because he knew a Prius 2 was coming soon. When you adopt something early, you should understand that you are paying a premium price and that later versions will be cheaper.
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That new Nook Glow is pretty sweet, but I went with the Kindle e-ink because it was cheap ($70) and it's the only one that has a subscription to Fantasy & Science Magazine for a mere $1/month (instead of $3). I couldn't pass up that bargain.
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Access to the prime lending library is the thing keeping me with Kindle at the moment.
The Kindle Touch 3G and the non-touch Kindles are not out of stock.
Although I would nonchalantly agree with you, many people including my wife, would vehemently disagree. From her perspective, an automatic transmission is an obvious upgrade over a manual in so far as you don't have to know how and when to shift the gears yourself and don't have to worry about rolling back into the car behind you on "tricky" incline starts.
I recently tried to sell a 2001 vehicle with a manual transmission. For every interested buyer I probably encountered three or four who were no longer interested as soon as I mentioned that it had a manual transmission.
My wife loves the stick. Can't keep her hands off it.
Not exactly. An automatic transmission is a *requirement* for some drivers, so there is no upgrade/downgrade about it. For someone who is good at (and enjoys) driving stick, manual->automatic is not an upgrade. For instance, an electric->gas stove isn't an upgrade for my parents because they don't have a gas connection at their house.
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I love manual transmissions. Last thing I want to do when I buy a car that I'll be driving for years is to ask myself, man it's going to be hard to find someone to buy it when I'm done. I just think of myself doing some other manual transmission enthusiast a favor, years from now.
people who just bought a KF1 a few days before
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Sounds like typical Amazon efficiency. They planned the stock of the Kindle Fire to run right up until the introduction of the new model, and hit it pretty close. They don't want to just list the old one as out of stock, because then they would have a backlog of orders that could never be filled, and they'd incur additional expense contacting customers and switching the order to the new one (which might not be exactly the same price).
You're as bad as the marketers. My Ipad 3 has 16gig of flash, but only a gigabyte of RAM.
As good as they are, they still can not anticipate the road ahead.
Sometimes? But after I moved to a far busier city than I was in before, automatic became the way to go; there was too much stop and go traffic for me to really enjoy shifting.
I also grew up in a city on a fairly large hill (~1000 ft elevation difference between the lowest and highest points), and driving a manual was a pain at times when you were heading up the hill - although learning how to drive stick in that environment, especially in winter, definitely built some character.
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"Additional manufacturing expenses" are different than the expenses I listed, or did you simply not read the GP? I'd guess not, ACs aren't known for their intellect.
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I believe that torque converters are generally less efficient than the use of a mechanical clutch, due to the inherent losses involved in having a heavy additional piece of machinery that transmits torque through a fluid bearing compared to the relatively simple and direct clutch mechanism. No matter how intelligently the car shifts, the simpler transmission in a manual is inherently more efficient. CVT might be better than manual, though.
The VW auto stick wasn't an automatic transmission. It was a manual with a torque converter and vacuum actuated clutch (it had only two pedals: accelerator and brake. The transmission released the clutch when you grabbed the stick).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autostick
CVT, not currently due to current designs and materials. It theoretically could be though.
VW's DSG could theoretically be on par but is more costly and complicated. It still can't anticipate the road ahead though which is what my preference for manual is about (though that can be compensated for with the correct control interface).
What *are* you talking about? Maybe *you* don't know how to drive a manual.
>>>definitely an upgrade for the driver behind you, who has to stop accelerating each time you switch gears manually
Good shifters don't slow down. Professional shifters (raccar drivers) do it so fast you have to rewind the tape to see what the blur was. And of course good automatic drivers should stop following so damn close so they don't need to brake when I shift from 1 to 2 or 2 to 3.
Volkswagen comes with Direct-Shift-Gearing which has discrete gearing like a manual, but does the shifting by itself. That's what it gets +2 MPG on the highway (for diesels; gasoline car don't appear to have a difference).
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don't have to worry about rolling back into the car behind you on "tricky" incline starts.
I don't know if this is a good technique, but I used to use my parking brake to hold the car still so that I had both feet free to work the clutch and gas pedals when starting from an incline.
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Kindle ICE...even.
The CVG version of the '12 Subaru Imprezza is more efficient than the manual.
Sounds damn near perfect.
Yeah, one week of lack of inventory with no excess inventory to have to liquidate at a reduced price is close to ideal for forecasting sales (months in advance for retooling). So the Fire slightly exceeded their sales expectations over that period (perhaps by ~4%). Give the man a bonus.
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I work in a travel agency, and I've lost count of the times Americans want to rent a car with automatic transmission in Europe or Latin America and get upset because only the luxury models have it...
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that's the way to do it, however, this can be tricky on older American cars where the parking brake was a handle under the dash.
That was a Shakespeare-In-The-Park production of "Julius Caesar", you moron! You killed 5 actors! Good ones.
Obviously you do not have any involvement with manufacturing or supply chains. "Having replacements on shelves before running out of the old stuff" is, and most cases, NOT better planning. Having excess inventory on hand at the end of a product lifecycle is not good. It means that you have spent money to build stuff that people are not going to want to buy (because of the new product). To recoup that cost, you MUST sell that excess inventory, which usually means steep discounts. If someone buys your old product at a steep discount, it means you have lost a sale of the new product. Not good.
On the other hand, running out of supply is only a problem if the potential sales dry up. Even then, the loss of some potential sales to a competitor may still be preferable to losing more sales to yourself by having excess inventory.
Running out of supply on Black Friday is bad - you are going to lose a lot of customers to competitors who have supply. Running out of supply for ONE WEEK at the end of August (after back to school sales and before Christmas sales), is brilliant planning.
>>>definitely an upgrade for the driver behind you, who has to stop accelerating each time you switch gears manually
Good shifters don't slow down. Professional shifters (raccar drivers) do it so fast you have to rewind the tape to see what the blur was. And of course good automatic drivers should stop following so damn close so they don't need to brake when I shift from 1 to 2 or 2 to 3.
Volkswagen comes with Direct-Shift-Gearing which has discrete gearing like a manual, but does the shifting by itself. That's what it gets +2 MPG on the highway (for diesels; gasoline car don't appear to have a difference).
Professional F1 drivers use paddle shifters on the steering wheel to shift. That's coupled with automated transmissions. No foot actuated clutch or anything similar. It's probably the best of both worlds although it's a bit more complicated and more expensive than either a manual or automatic.
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I got my nook simple touch off ebay for 60 bucks used, in pretty much perfect condition before they announced the glow. Over all though I'm really happy with it.
Maybe it is not an upgrade for you, but it is definitely an upgrade for the driver behind you, who has to stop accelerating each time you switch gears manually. At least 3 times after a red lamp.
Either the "you" in question is bad at shifting, or the guy behind is driving too close.
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For stop and go traffic I'd think driving a stick would be better in the long run - you get lower consumption and the gearbox probably lasts longer. That is assuming you know realyl well how to drive a manual.
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These days basically all torque converters have a lock-up feature -- a mechanical clutch that eliminates slip after the engine and vehicle speed get close. You're still spinning all that oil around, but no slip means negligible losses to fluid friction. As to whether a slipping torque converter with computer-controlled fuel-injection blipping to match revs with minimal power loss is more or less efficient during an upshift than a clutch (with some driver-selected portion of slip, wheelspin, and throttle adjustment), it depends on the driver, but it's a small fraction anyway. There's more efficiency difference among driving styles or among different transmission models of the same type than between manual and automatic as a whole.
But the one place automatics are, and always will be, inferior to manuals, is that they can only react to control inputs -- so I can't shift in preparation for a planned maneuver (e.g. downshift preparatory to passing) or upcoming road condition without actually beginning the manuever.
While I'm enough of a gearhead to like manipulating a good 5-speed, I can't make an argument that it's mechanically better than a modern automatic-like (torque-converter & planetary gearing) transmission, provided it has paddle and/or push-pull interface to directly select gears. (Of course, the funny bit is that automatic transmissions are increasingly changing to conventional design, with the shift yokes and clutch controlled by a computer.)
stick shift -> automatic is rarely an upgrade.
Whether it is an upgrade or not is a matter of opinion. And using computer terminology, it isn't an upgrade at all because nobody buys an automatic transmission, opens the "transmission cover" on their car, pulls the stick and installs the auto.
What it IS is an UPSELL by the dealer.
I lived in San Francisco for years, and drive nothing but manuals, and will drive nothing but a manual, ever (barring some really cool electric cars). I deal with heavy traffic, outrageous hills, dangerous drivers, etc., and get by just fine. If a dealer tried to switch the gearbox on me, I'd immediately walk out the door. Just like an automatic transmission is a *requirement* for some drivers, a manual IS a requirement for most driving enthusiasts.
Personally, I think automatic gearboxes are pointless if you're healthy and not somehow disabled. A car is not an appliance, and no amount of automated bullshit will change the fact that it's an explosion powered death machine. The more abstractions we add on top of that just allow people to be more ignorant about how serious driving a vehicle actually is.
I am looking at getting one of them or the XV version. I wonder if the better mileage in the CVT is just based on the way the EPA test is run. You can get better or worse mileage from a stick, depending on how you use it (many who want the manual want it for better performance which gives them worse mileage).
Then again, the CVT has a lower ratio for its tallest "gear". It can afford to do that since if there is a slight incline, it only needs to infinitesimally upshift to maintain speed. If the manual transmission had that tall a gear for the highway, small inclines would make the engine lug and/or lose power requiring much more frequent upshifts. So I can see how theoretically the CVT could get better mileage on the highway. City, not so sure.
Actually, no, he doesn't. It's memory. It's random access. Therefore it's RAM. The terms you are looking for are "long term storage" and "working memory". RAM can be used for either; so can oxide on a surface. See, for example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drum_memory
the automatic version of the same car costs more, so yes i think that can be construed as an 'upgrade'.
not that i've ever owned an automatic, im with OP - I want to shift myself
I replaced the 4-speed automatic in my car with a manual 5-speed, mostly for that reason, and my mileage in-town improved by about 5%.
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Not exactly. An automatic transmission is a *requirement* for some drivers, so there is no upgrade/downgrade about it.
Yeah. Think about it this way. An automatic is like a GUI and an automatic is like a CLI.
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Yes and no. Torque converters are not used exclusively anymore, they have an integrated piston to 'lock up' the converter at cruising speeds. The computer can also control the shift-points to maximize fuel economy.
As a fun fact this technology is not new, it was available on Studebaker and Packards in the early 1950's...but I guess when gas costs a nickel nobody cares about this sort of thing.
I still choose a stick, because I'm a sad panda when I can't downshift into a turn.
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That wouldn't surprise me mileage-wise, but for me the difference was negligible compared to the annoyance of having to be shifting a lot. For the same reason, I don't like motorcycle riding too much in big metro areas; your clutch hand gets tired pretty quickly.
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Oh, and it has a whopping 6G of RAM.
I know I'm being picky here, but it isn't RAM. It's flash storage. Or just storage. Or storage space. Anything BUT RAM in fact. RAM is the memory the computer uses to run apps and such. Flash storage is what the computer uses to store files. This drives me insane when I'm trying to judge specs on products and the people reporting it call everything the wrong name.
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Interesting. I wonder if that's real-world too. If they did that in a diesel, I would be seriously tempted.
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I'm pretty sure dshk is one of the people driving an automatic, who has to slow down. That's the only way the post makes sense, unless you are narcissistic about your clutch skills and assume everyone else is terrible.
I intentionally shift slowly for people who are too close. If they seem distracted, I tap the brake enough to turn on the light but not make much impact on speed.
dshk , stop tailgating.
I still do the same thing on particularly steep hills. Over time, of course, you'll find that you need the extra "help" less often.
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Do you have any idea how hard it is to hold onto the steering wheel, work the clutch, talk on the phone, eat a messy taco, *and* have to shift gears manually? Do you *want* me to get in an accident, or something?
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If I don't have to be bothered with paying attention to the gear/RPMs, I can pay more attention to distractions on the road.
Whoops...guess I missed that. Probably below my threshold or something. :p
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My first car was a automatic. My second was a manual. I'm not going back short of a hybrid/EV where a manual transmission makes no sense. It's a matter of learning; once you've learned how to use a manual you generally prefer them(worldwide).
My Anecdote: last 2 times I went car shopping I had horrible times finding them; 'Oh there's not much interest in them' combined with 'Whenever we get one in it's sold in a few days'. From the same dealer... Of course, I'd also get the 'but an automatic has a higher resale value!'. Tough cookies; I buy a car for a decade, not it's resale value. I'm not going to pay $1-2k more for a car that I don't like, to get $500-1k more in resale. There's plenty of used car buyers who like manuals as well.
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What I take exception to is being called mentally deficient. I dont care if Apple's phone came with a hotline app straight to God himself. I wouldn't buy it.
That's why so many automatics these days have gear selectors (wheel mounted or on the shifter).
I'll wait until CVTs are better than manuals in acceleration and economy before I make the switch. Right now, they tune to be better at one or the other, so they are almost always inferior to the manual. And I've not seen a CVT with a shifter, though there may be on the CVTs that have "gears" to make people think they are 7-speeds and not CVTs, as CVTs feel like a high-torque engine with a slipping clutch. The engine revs slower as you accelerate faster.
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It is almost always an upgrade. You get
Then you proceed to list reasons manuals are better. Sure, you can't wear out the clutch on an automatic, but, in general, they cost more in upkeep than a manual. Rebuilding a manual is almost never done, they just don't break, and if you had to do it, it's cheaper than an automatic. A clutch change occassionally doesn't change the overall trend of autos being more expensive.
And I've driven *only* manual cars in Alaska. Much, much better in ice and snow. What your foot does, the wheels do. Period. Never are they our of sync, as they are always directly mechanically connected, unless you give inputs otherwise.
I'll bet you hate power brakes because you don't need that cool anchor. Amiright, huh, huh?
Manual 4-wheel drums worked better on my '67 Bug than power discs on an '87 Olds Cutlass Calais. It's not the tech, it's the implementation. And you obviously suck at driving so you need the tech to help cover your inadequacies.
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On most cars you can actually shift fears without the clutch, the only time you really need to use the clutch is when starting from a dead stop. Given most Americans fail to master a clutch at all, I suspect this technique probably isn't very well known there.
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More like the less you have to do while driving the easier it is to ignore everything...
If you think someone isn't free to have a different definition of "freedom" you may be a tyrant.
It's OK, I feel like a complete dumbass over it. Normally I would flame someone over such a mistake! I think I'm just getting old...
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Never wanted one before.
But now that I can't buy one, I want it more than anything!
What's that you say? "Just get a used one for a third of the price?" "Wait until the next version of shiny?"
This is just pre-school psychology applied to marketing.
Baby is surrounded by thousands of toys. He ignores all save the one he's currently chewing on. Pick up one that's five feet away and take it out of the room. Baby drops current chew toy. Face turns red. Tantrum ensues. Baby miraculously speaks, "I want a Kindle Fire!"
Yup, I'm referencing having to start from a dead stop. In the city I'm in now, the traffic is very stop and go, even if you're not at an intersection. In the city I grew up in, you were often in situations where you're stopped at a light or stop sign, facing uphill on a steep incline - a very interesting way to learn clutch.
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I recently tried to sell a 2001 vehicle with a manual transmission. For every interested buyer I probably encountered three or four who were no longer interested as soon as I mentioned that it had a manual transmission.
So 3 or 4 out of five interested buyers couldn't read English and therefore didn't see "manual" in the car ad? Who are you targetting, recent immigrants?
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
I at least try not to be a complete asshole about that stuff. xD
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I phrased my response badly. Personally, my gear changing is fast enough to leave almost no discernable slow down and even my wife, who has only been driving stick for a couple of years and where I see some room for improvement does not take long enough to change gears in a way that would affect all but the most impatient of tailgaters.
You would have to be pretty bad at the changes to have that effect. I drive spiritedly and currently in an automatic and have been driving more than 20 years and I can never recall being affected by a stick-shift driver in that way (Though newbs to occasionally stall out). Distracted, inconsiderate and incompetents drivers are by far the rule.
Works for me. I don't think anything a new KF will offer will make me want to suddenly run out a replace my KF1, if you will. The usage model for me is simple-- store and read books and docs. Access the internet from time to time, too. Do not see a need for a camera or increased memory footprint as I will likely never be able to read all that I have stored on my KF1 now. I guess the only thing that will force me to upgrade will be a failure of the battery.
Then again, if they had some utility that would completely duplicate all the items I have installed, including all apps, then I might consider making the upgrade. I just do not want to go through the pain and effort spent tweaking all my apps and what not all over again.
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Um.. no. Just no.
which is totally what she said