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EVE Online CSM and Diplomat Killed in Libyan Consulate Attacks
New submitter overmoderated writes first with news of an attack on the U.S. Consulate in Libya. From the article: "The U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other embassy staff were killed in a rocket attack on their car, a Libyan official said, as they were rushed from a consular building stormed by militants denouncing a U.S.-made film insulting the Prophet Mohammad."
An anonymous reader adds: "Sean Smith, a.k.a. Vile Rat, an EVE Online CSM member, and diplomat for the GoonFleet corporation, was one of the four killed in the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Libya last night. He was 34. A fundraiser is being organized for his children by the Something Awful forums."
Update: 09/12 21:28 GMT by U L : Ozma from Something Awful mailed in a link to the memorial thread on the SA forums (including details on the memorial fund).
'Nuff said.
You bring that crap into the story and make it the lead? Really?
rip vile rat.
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Libya had it all going on, till the western nations went in and fucked everything up. They were closer to a true democracy than just about any other nation on earth, had both oil and fresh water that they'd managed to keep out of the hands of foreign corporations, and their population was well treated, well provided for and happy.
Now they're getting a sham democracy and their natural resources are being stolen from right under their noses by foreign corporations, whose freedom the invasion was really intended to protect.
So, I say from the bottom of my heart, fuck you, Sean Smith. You got what you deserved.
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is here.
(how did story get posted w/o a link?)
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You will live forever in are harts.
Goondolences.
Not fucking small enough. Needs to be smaller by at least a few million backward, ignorant, camel-fucking thugs.
...the entire controversy in Libya was orchastrated by -A- for the purpose of 'TRUELY PERMA-KILLING' one of the goonwarm leaders.
What is the fundraiser for?
He was an american diplomat, any amount that any normal people could raise would not chance the privileged lifestyle that his kids certainly live with.
Even if they raised millions of dollars, what are they going to spend it on? A second summer cottage, maybe they could finally afford that luxury yacht they always wanted?
Troll is not a replacement for I disagree.
Do you guys actually believe this?? I mean, come on... it's GOONS. They are notorious for pulling pranks like this.
...sounds like he was pretty involved in the game.
It also sounds like he was well-loved. Choice notes from the forum thread:
And probably my favorite:
Supercar Gautier:
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Perhaps we had better get started, before more innocent people get the same seemingly random treatment.
"they believe innocent individuals need to suffer "
Often, radicals believe there are no innocents.
They feel that either you must be as militant as they are, or you're just a tool/ally of those they feel are opposing/oppressing them.
In the former case, you're a fighter for their cause and thus a martyr if killed.
In the latter case, you are a part of the problem that needs to be disposed of.
Because US is so hated in many countries, I think they should build the embassies outside city (centers). Then it would be easier to have good fortifications, like double fences, with land mines, machine gun towers, over meter thick walls like in Iraq (although the Iraqi plan included thousands of soldiers, I don't think you really need thousands of soldiers with propertly fortified embassy) etc.
Which ones death in an attack on an embassy should I put first?
Obligatory Streisand Effect link to the video that they are acting against: Innocence of Muslims
And, for bonus points, here's an emoticon depiction of The Prophet Mohammed: 0-<-<
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First it was Afghanistan. You thought that everyone fighting against authoritarian Soviets was automatically pro-democracy and pro-human rights; and what's wrong if they speak of Islam and jihad occasionally? Clearly it's only against the bad guys. And so you gave them money and guns and trained them, and the end result was a country where most schools (build by those very Soviets) were demolished and replaced by madrassas, and secular if authoritarian government replaced by fanatics who were stoning women on football stadiums for adultery after they were raped.
(Oh, and don't say that you didn't support Taliban. This guy was no better, and most of his troops ended up in Taliban anyway.)
And what do you get for it in the end? A whole country turned into a giant terrorist training camp that's now working against you, and using those very weapons that you've supplied them to kill your soldiers, and workers that you send to try to rebuild the country. The training camp that produced those people who committed the biggest terrorist act ever in the history of this planet, against the USA.
Then there was Kosovo. Again, "freedom fighters" against a totalitarian regime and all that. Again, a decade afterwards it's slowly growing to be another place where Wahhabism spreads, only this time in the middle of Europe (and also a major drug transit center to boot, to finance the operation). And, again, the chickens are coming home to roost.
Now there's Libya. It's only been a year since the downfall of the regime - thanks largely to heavy NATO military backing of the rebel "freedom fighters" - and we've already seen genocide of the black population, widespread persecuting of Christians, and now this act of outright hostility towards USA and the murder of its citizens and representatives. You can go on at length about how the real, democratically elected government of Libya is liberal and all about human rights and such, but what this incident clearly shows is that they're not a government. They're simply not in control of the country. And people that are in control, because they have guns (that you gave them) and troops and determination - people like this - hate democracy and human rights with a passion, and hate you because you are representative of that. And you can't even say that they haven't warned you if you were only willing to see and listen...
But, hey, that's still not quite enough jihadis, right? Let's create another breeding ground for them in Syria as well?
... but only in-game.
Damn. RIP Vile Rat - my deepest condolences to GS and especially to his family.
Don't you dare claim that I hold ANY responsibility for the actions of those who rule over me. Their relationship with me is one of COERCION, not voluntary association. They take money from me by force, not by voluntary contribution. They control my behavior through coercion, not persuasion. This is why they need guns. This is why government needs a special "right" to employ coercion as a business model. They are FOUNDED on coercion, and common sense tells me that as long as coercion is present, I hold absolutely no responsibility for their actions.
No, I do NOT accept the so-called "social contract" theory, which states that by remaining on the land he was born into, a man volunteers himself to be subject to coercion. Bullshit. A man cannot volunteer to be subject to coercion, any more than a man can coerce another man into volunteering. The two modes of human interaction, voluntary association and coercion, are polar opposite and mutually exclusive. That is what gives them meaning.
In conclusion, fuck off and take your pathetic claims of collective action with you.
My most sincere condolences to all those who lost someone.
I would like to know why there were Libyan security forces who ran when shit got heavy instead of U.S. Marines who would have stayed to the last protecting those in their care.
which shows one thing.
An excuse needing an offense on a day where the maximum amount of press could be extracted. In other words, just what any extremist or politician would do.
When your society is breaking down an outlet is required. Seeing that we are the big evil for the people who exploit the misery of their people all in the name of religion what could we expect? You have a society where your not safe so the only escape you have is to become part of the mob because it offers anonymity.
Sometimes getting rid of a dictator is a bad thing, witness Libya and Egypt. When the control is there are ample numbers of organized groups more than willing to move in. They will do so under the protection of their religion and people over there know better than to speak out. It is even easier when nearly half the population has no choice (women) and a good number of those remaining are more than happy about abusing that other half.
* Winners compare their achievements to their goals, losers compare theirs to that of others.
that psycho pastor had involvement in what ended in this situation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Jones_(pastor)
I hope this guy knows he has blood on his hands now, as batshit crazy as *he* is, he is now partially at fault. I knew he'd do something to incite violence overseas ever since his ridiculous quaran burning.
BoB must be responsible!
This shit is just beyond crazy...First off, nobody in the US would even know this stupid movie exists if it wasn't for these extremist fairy tale worshipers..Second, seriously?? going around and killing people because they share the same nation as some other d-bag? If that is the case we might as well exterminate the entire human race right now because there are d-bags everywhere. Finally, Grow the fuck up and learn a little tolerance for others beliefs or lack there off. How many religions are there in the world? and obviously each and every one of them is the ONLY right religion....so learn to deal with it like responsible members of the human race...where is another great plague, great flood or meteorite when you need one.
As you said, their oil and water was kept in local hands, and the Libyans had an independence of mind, which was there true crime. Why are the Qadaffis of the world always portrayed as devils while the Saudi regime are portrayed as angels? If Qadaffi had taken US money and bowed down to the oil companies and Zionists he would have been portrayed angelically. As it was, he knew the winds had changed and worked to appease the West and US. Didn't matter, NATO took it upon itself to bomb the hell out of Libya. Now tears are flowing for these foreign imperialists who just helped arm a bloody insurrection to get Libya under the hands of the West. Not every Libya man is a pussy who is going to lie down and let foreigners walk all over them, as this attack shows. How many Libyans killed in the recent US backed bloody civil war get a full blown Slashdot memorial? Some American gets a piece of that aftermath and it's a big deal. Those who live by the sword die by the sword.
So freaking pointless. Anyone who thinks it's ever OK kill in the name of god/gods should stay in their caves and away from civilized society.
esp people who hurt EVE players
Once again, in spite of all of the rhetoric otherwise, we see the true nature of the Islamic religion.
And I completely expect that our own closet Muslim, Obama, will soon once again apologize for America, as he has so many times before.
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
You wanted the feckin-A Muzziwogs ... you got the feckin-A Muzziwogs. After 9/11 had we castrated the Paks, pumped Saudi-Arabia dry and then nuked it into a smouldering pile of green glass this kind of peon_enabled shiit would not happen. Pussy America under Bush.babe and Obama.nation gets what it asks for.
He won't be needing any of that ISK...
...I guess.
Bullshit! No one has responsibility for this except the religious fanatics that did it and their own leaders. And as long as these radical idiots keep this kind of thing up only more people will be willing to speak out against them.
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
Do you really think that Muslims are killing people because of a single film? That may have set them off, but there has been a lot of buildup to this, and that buildup had nothing to do with the media.
Let's put it this way: South Park depicted Mohammed once, without causing any riots, suicide bombings, or other forms of kililng in response.
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Where was their security? At this time of all times they should have been on a much higher state of alert. How's that privativation of State Dept security working out?
I would like to point out 2 things that irk me about this:
1) The U.S. does not make movies, Hollywood does with no influence from the government
2) What kind of ignorant asshole makes a depiction of Muhammad in any kind of disrespectful way like that
This is a world of news and media. There is absolutely no excuse for either side of this situation. Its only hate and disrespect and no one can ever convince me otherwise. Its well known that there are major prohibitions against depicting Muhammad in any way let alone in such a disrespectful one. And don't even try the parody approach because that argument is an excuse and bullshit to boot.
On the other side is the ignorance it takes to attack an embassy because of a movie that the government running that embassy has no part in. Misconception and disrespect are in large supply these days and it sickens me.
The Prophet Mohammad? Isn't that supposed to read "The Pedophile Mohammad?"
--- If the bible proves the existence of God, then Superman comics prove the existence of Superman.
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what is this i don't even oh god please help i am not good with computers
Seriously, what does the headline even mean? What are these "EVE Online CSM" things? Is this some kind of slashvertisement for a new IT product or service? I can't tell... Is EVE an acronym? It's Online? CSM? Is that a Customer Service Manager? Fuck. I don't know.
And someone got killed? What?
Diplomats? Libya?
What?
WHAT.
wat
Why is parent marked troll?
That's humanity for you ...
FTFY
Someone needs to pull his head out. Embassies are SPY HAVENS. The ambassador of any embassy is also the head of their spy operations.
Life imitated art: VR was VERY GOOD at what he did in EVE, bringing down an opposing guild.
No doubt he was also VERY GOOD, and very instrumental in bringing down Daffy Q, IRL.
Pull your heads out, folks. Embassies aren't all evening cocktails in a top coat and tails. Even Fleming (who not only did Bond in the books but also for real) said it with his Russian characters (and what's tattooed on Bond's hand): "Death to Spies."
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While our alliance is at war with the Goons, this loss still sucks. RIP VR. We will have a tougher time now that you aren't killing blues.
The military assault against the US Consulate in Benghazi should not be seen as part of a protest against a low budget film which was insulting Islam â" there were just a few peaceful protesters present at the event. Indeed, there have been no other demonstrations regarding this film in Libya.
We at Quilliam believe the attack on the US consulate in Benghazi was a well planned terrorist attack that would have occurred regardless of the demonstration, to serve another purpose. According to information obtained by Quilliam from foreign sources and from within Benghazi we have reason to believe that the attack on the US consulate in Benghazi came to avenge the death of Abu Yaya al-Libi, al-Qaedaâ(TM)s second in command killed a few months ago.
The reasons for this are as follows:
The weak security environment in Libya including in Benghazi and the failure of the government to project its power outside of the capital have been used as a cover for the attack.
The failure to rebuild the defence and security sector, in an accountable, professional and responsible manner will only further the likelihood of such attacks in the future. Attacks in Benghazi are not new â" the Red Cross has been attacked multiple times in previous months, as have the US consulate and also the UK Ambassador, and such security lapses encourage attacks. The International Community must take the challenge of not allowing extremist elements to hijack the Arab Uprisings very seriously, by renewing their focus on civic and governance responses to check the efforts of Islamist extremists attempting to exploit the inevitable security vacuum.
Noman Benotman, President of Quilliam says:
âoeThese are acts committed by uncontrollable jihadist groups. We hope Libya will seize this opportunity to revive its policy of Disarmament, Demobilisation and Re-integration (DDR) in order to facilitate an end to the spread of such attacks, with the help of the International Community. We hope that the International Community, including NATO member states and especially the US, will continue their excellent work in Libya which began with the overthrow of the dictator Gaddafi after 42 years in power.â
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The Islamic world is too rigid to adapt.
18 inch satellite dishes are very easy to hide.
Muslim fundamentalists will live long enough to see their grandchildren being emos. Even we will have to agree it is not an improvement. But they won't blow things up for the right to stick household appliances up their butts.
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otherwise it's not a militia. if a militia leader doesn't use the militia for combat, then he has no power outside of combat and his militants will start flipping him off instead of saluting.
any excuse will do.
this time it was just the movie that was the excuse - politically of course opposing the movie and attacking the consulate have pretty much nothing to do with each other, suing would have had more results if the aim was to fear people into not doing such movies.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
I insult a guy's mother, and the guy's response to my insult is to kill a government official from the country I come from.
Many people posting here are saying I should be responsible for that guy murdering someone. Because I insulted his mother. Really?
OK, my insult is wrong, yes. Am I responsible for murder? Because I incited the guy to murder? What does that mean? Is the man a human being who is responsible for his own actions? Or a swarm of angry bees?
Isn't it rather insulting to say that the guy is just a force of nature, and not a human being? Well, you are saying that I am responsible for him murdering someone, not him. So clearly YOU don't consider this man to actually be a man at all, but just a beast without thought or reason.
This is my thinking:
1. If I make an ugly movie, I am responsible for making an ugly movie.
2. If I kill a human being, I am responsible for killing a human being.
#1 and #2 have nothing to do with each other. Really.
To think otherwise means you don't believe in personal responsibility and accountability at all. Without believing in that concept, is anything we call moral behavior possible?
At some point you are going to have to come to grips with the existence of a guy where all you have to do is insult his mother, and he goes on a killing rampage.
It seems some people posting here are trying very hard to avoid the obvious implications of a world where a man like that is not uncommon. You better stop trying to avoid the obvious.
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Hi, I'm the Prophet Mohammed, and I fuck camels!
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If that's humanity, where do I apply for a transfer to another species?
They just have different excuses for it.
It doesn't matter how many soldiers die, it doesn't matter how many diplomats, American civilians, embassy staff or NGO's die. As long as our government works in the interests of wealthy business, people are just collateral damage for international markets.
Because Christians and Jews flinging pig blood at Arabs is mature and reasonable, right?
Maybe we can found a new country, Extremistan, and put them all there to kill each other while the rest of the world enjoys peace and pluralism.
That was tried in the 15th and 16th centuries and many of the extreme European religious groups emigrated there. Although they did not follow your suggestion of a name it certainly did not work out.
Zawahiri acknowledged the death of his second in command Abu Yahya and urged Libyans to avenge his killing
Yeah because that'll stop the cycle...
Christians and Jews flinging pigs blood at Arabs is the act of a mature and reasonable person. Like we all keep pigs blood in the fridge, right?
Christian did riot and attack people due to the "last temptation of christ" , look back in the news from 88-89. Cocktail molotov were thrown at a cinema in France, and 14 people wounded. Granted it is not as bad as a RPG into a car, but the fact is that there are fundemmentalist everywhere, and in that country a lot ofn military hardware is floating around. I am not excusing the act of those nutcase, but jsut like I did not condemn the WHOLE christianity when tehy killed doctor, shown "god hate fags" sign, or thrown molotov cocktail onto cinema, I think one should not condemn the whole islam either.
That said the fundemmentalist silamist can rot.
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"You can say anything you want about Jesus and no Christian will kill you."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Temptation_of_Christ_(film)#Attack_on_Saint_Michel_theater.2C_Paris
nobody was killed but it was not for trying.
C. Sagan : A demon haunted world:
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Christians and Jews just splatter Arabs with pig blood. So much more mature.
You known anyone who got covered in pigblood that didn't go "Carrie" at the end of the prom.
scores of civilians daily. But they are colored and poor so they don't count
You want to be REALLY afraid, go read freerepublic.com sometime.
Don't compare Libya to CIA activities in Afghanistan. NATO didn't arm the rebels and there was a UN mandate! Need I remind you that French planes were the first to deploy in Libya. For once the US wasn't playing a leading role.
So yes, the US apparently learned from the Afghanistan. But nothing you do or learn can protect you from an angry fanatic with a rocket launcher.
That's what happens when you let people own weapons.
The problem is that there isn't 1 bible. It has been mistranslated and poorly copied into many versions over the last 1700 years.
"Never suffer a (sorceress,witch,etc) to live" started out as "poisoner" and probably meant that if someone is poisoning your well water, you don't have to let them keep doing it.
People have re-written God's word so many times to suit their own purposes that it pretty much should tell you that it is a work of fiction. It amazes me that intelligent people want to live like the uneducated camel jockey's of the mid east that died 2000 years ago.
Now seriously, why are there Europeans hanging out with the prophet in this movie? Couldn't find any Jews to play that parts? Jews and Arabs are the same exact people genetically.(why they look the same except for the funny hair style difference) Only problem is their belief in fiction as fact, and they wound up with different incompatible fictions.
I'm afraid I don't get the reference, but I get the point. It's better than killing/wounding.
My point was the comparison between these two concepts:
1. Islamic extremists kill people because their beliefs differ (infidels) or because of something they said (Muhammad cartoons etc).
2. U.S. soldiers kill people because they have resources the U.S. needs.
I'm not excusing our actions or saying it is OK, but I am saying there is a world of difference between the two. #2 is, with a zoomed out enough lens, potentially acceptable or at least understandable. #1 is always wrong.
For large sets, this will be our guide even unto death, for the LORD will work for each type of data it is applied to...
...getting podded without a jumpclone by the same tactics Goonswarm employs...
The insinuation being that he would want to stop the cycle?
Hearsay confirmation, state intelligence have been (unofficially, internally) confirming that the attacks were not caused by the same people who were protesting the film, and that bringing the weapons and inciting violence were a crime of opportunity by a known foreign militant group who tried to attack them before.
Not just US consul staff were killed, but so were as many protesters and Libyan guards who worked at the Consulate.
Ah, here's the SECSTATE: http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/12/world/africa/libya-attack-jihadists/index.html
Ok, this just makes me very angry.
Let me start observing that I am not an American (I am just a random Mexican). But the fact that every time there is an attack to the USA, the countries involved say "it is not us, it is the terrorists in our country" is starting to sound like a lame justification. It was not Pakistan, it was Al-qaeda, it was not Lybia. Really?
Putting blame in "terrorists" is getting old, being it the USA or other countries who do not want to appease their people.
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From yahoo news: 5 million dollars from 100 jewish "donors". Was the movie was just another provocation? Who were those donors, so called "Israel lobby", Romney best friends? Then the question is who should take at least partial responsibility?
Hey lets put this in perspective, remember all the people that were murdered by Christian extremists when Mel Gibson made that Passion of the Christ film? And lets not forget all those that died when the Last Temptation of Christ was released. Don't forget those murdered in the name of Christ when Andrew Loyd Webber released Jesus Christ Superstars and certainly have a moment of peace for those murdered every time South Park, Family Guy, The Simpsons, and Comic Artists featured Jesus. I mean don't you remember the "Dogma" massacres as a result of of that film? When Penny Arcade featured Jesus as Metal don't you remember the number of attempts on their lives?
It's a religion of peace people, lets keep this in perspective. Don't let a small, vocal, organized, group of extremists pain a picture of a religion is evil. I am certain those responsible will be arrested by their fellow Muslims and prosecuted for murder by their fellow Muslims.
Now the question you have to ask, "am I being sarcastic, or playing this comment straight?"
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Christians denounce abortion bombings and the like overwhelmingly, by a factor of about 25:1
Muslims denounce blasphemy bombings and the like overwhelmingly, by a factor of about 3:1
Agreed. This is just one of those many threads that bring out all the folks that'll start quoting that Godless piece of bigotry that is www.thereligionofpeace.com, and get modded up by others who insist on believing that all 1.4 BILLION Muslims around the world are terrorists, which makes about as much sense as equating all Protestants with the Klan. I'll probably get modded down just for posting this, but I really don't care...that sort of crap makes me ashamed to be an American.
Yah, all Muslims were responsible. Just like all people from Colorado were responsible for the Aurora massacre.
You know what?
I am truly fucking tired of the BULLSHITS from you moslem apologists !!!
In the aftermath of the Aurora tragic massacre so many of the good people of Colorado showed up for the memorial, and so many of them spoke out CONDEMNING THE VIOLENCE !!
On the other hand, what about them moslems?
How many of them did you see spoke out against the beheading of non-moslems, carried out by their moslem brethren, in the name of Islam?
Tell me, please ! Please tell me how many of them moslem actually speak out against the asinine violence in the name of their "allah" ?
They keep on telling us that "Islam is a peaceful religion", it's just that when comes to practice, peace is no where to be seen !!
They keep on telling us that "Islam is a religion of the intellect", that there are a lot of "moderate moslems" who do not like violence
FINE !! If so, where were those so-called "moderate moslems" when the Madrid Train Stations got bombed?
Did we see any of those "moderate moslems" spoke out against the bombing of the London subway system?
Do you know that them moslems beheaded little kids in southern Thailand, just because their parents were (the parents were butchered as well) non-moslems?
I have the links to those bloody pictures, but due to my respect for the Slashdot community I decide not to provide it here. I humbly ask you to google the links yourself and see the true nature of Islam
I might be modded down to troll, I might be even banned from Slashdot, but I do not care. I just can't stand anymore bullshit from those moslem apologists --- STOP APOLOGIZING FOR THE VIOLENCE BEING CARRIED OUT IN THE NAME OF "ALLAH"
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
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pathetic.
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Movie was a cover...
The 'confession' was just a cover also.
I don't know, but if you find out let me know. We might have to invent our own. If we can somehow figure out how to upload ourselves into a computer, we could live practically forever and maybe actually learn from/fix our mistakes. If the old style humans keep giving us shit, we'll just pack our bags, upload our shit into some giant spacecraft and set sail for the Gamma quadrant at a leisurely 0.5c....never to meet again, until the day we nuke Caprica. It has all happened before, and it will all happen again....
Then bomb them once they start rioting. Good way to identify these fucks and exterminate them.
... it's the fact that they're generally poor and/or oppressed
This is yet another bullshit that has been regurgitated, over and over again.
It's a total bullshit !!
You want to portray the moslems as "poor and oppressed" and I will debunk your lies ---
Fact I: Wealth of the moslems:
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD
Qatar booked an estimated gross domestic product per capita of more than $92,501 for 2011
Whereas for the United States of America -- only $48,442
As for your expression "generally poor and/or oppressed", there ARE millions and millions of poor and oppressed Buddhists, Christians, Hindus, and Atheists all over the world.
Tell us, how often do you see the poor and oppressed Buddhist or Hindu or Christian or Atheist murdering / beheading / massacring innocent victims in the name of their religion?
In other words, poor and/or oppressed should not, and can never become a valid raison d'etre for anyone in massacring other people
Stop apologizing for those bloody assholes who worship their "allah"
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
It's blowback. From assets used to achieve para-political military aims, then discarded by the would-be puppet masters.
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
He would smite all religionists, leaving only atheists who live by the golden rule.
There are at least three problems with your thinking:
First, you equate making a film that says, essentially, "a crazy evil guy started a dangerous religion" with a bunch of crazy evil followers of that religion who proved the point (yet again) by murdering people and committing an act of war (it is a long-standing point of international law that invading a foreign embassy is an act of war, and host nations have a duty to protect the embassies within their borders; failure to protect an embassy is considered to be essentially approval of the act).
Second, The attacks in Libya and Egypt took place at the same time and were planned and coordinated by the mulim brotherhood to take place on 9-11... the whole obscure movie thing is just a pretense, and offered as an excuse, to see which westerners are foolish/desperate enough to grab for any fig leaf rather than face reality about Islam. If these attacks had truly been organic crowd responses to an outrage, they would not likely have take place at the same time on the same day in two separate countries.
Third, you seem to think that all forms of extremism are the same. "Extremism" is a meaningless concept when disconnected from a philosophy...and some philosophies are in fact better than others. An extreme free-speech advocate is very different from an exteme cannibal. A NAZI extremist is certainly different from a vegitarian extremist. A Jewish extremist, a Muslim extremist, an atheist extremist, a Hindu extremist, a Catholic extremist, a Lutheran extremist, a druid extremist, etc would all be VERY different and we only have empirical evidence that one of them would feel justified in murdering anybody who disagrees with him or insults his beliefs.
We knew Kurgen/Gothic on the Moral Decay MUD where he and his wife both played and became wizards. As I understand it, his activity has been much greater on Eve, but we feel like a member of our family was lost as well... RIP Kurgen.
Come play Moral Decay!
Plenty of western religion types doing sicko or violent shit in the name of their beliefs, why is anyone surprised with middle eastern religions do so?
WTF did the US expect after supporting al Qaeda in Libya during the war on Gaddafi?
Tyler's words coming out of my mouth. I used to be such a nice person.
Listen to me. You have to consider the possibility that God does not like you. He never wanted you. In all probability, he hates you. This is not the worst thing that can happen. We don't need Him. Fuck damnation, man. Fuck redemption. We are God's unwanted children. So be it! But first you have to give up. First, you have to know, not fear, know that someday you're gonna die. It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything.
Fear is the mind killer.
I find it so typical that we here see Mulims protesting the movie because (among other things) it displays them as aggresive, violent and murderous, and they do this protesting by... being aggressive, violent and murderous.
It's just like the cartoon crises - they protested against Muhammad being shown with a bomb in his turban, signifying the violent and murderous nature of Islam, by being violent and murderous...
"For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." -- H.L. Mencken (1880-1956) --
One has to wonder how "Christians" would react had someone made a movie implying that Jesus was a pedo... Considering that they'll bomb abortion clinics over less, here's hoping we never have to find out.
This is the correct question! Please allow me to answer it.
If such a film and assertion were made, proclaiming Jesus Christ to be a pedophile or worse, the Christian community would be "outraged". There would be no end of religious leaders from the Pope on down to local deacons and ministers calling for apologies, boycotts and harumphs. There would be harumphs all over the world. Depending on who made the film, there may well be protests and there would be campaigns to some how penalize the makers.
In very unfortunate(and few) circumstances, there MIGHT be individuals that act out violently as has been the case in the past with a few abortion clinics in the U.S. But, as in those cases acts of violence would be immediately and universally condemned. Legal action would immediately be taken against the lone perpetrators and the very people who had previously been outraged at insults to Christianity would then be outraged at the violence from amongst their midst and would be calling for calm and for people to settle the fuck down.
There would be NO wide spread, international attacks on embassies, large crowds over running diplomatic residences and killing the occupants(who probably didn't even know of the films existence) and later celebrating their victory with impunity and broad-based support. There would be no celebration marches in cities across the region supporting their brothers and proclaiming "victory" over the infidels as we see repeatedly from the mid-east.
The fact of the matter is that the so called "muslim extremists" that perpetrate these acts of violence number in the tens of thousands, are set-off on a regular basis over trivial matters and are never rebuked for their actions.
Again, I am wondering... Where are public outcries against these extremists from the billions of members of this peaceful religion? I don't see outcry and opposition, I see support and celebration. And, silence is complicity.
Tell that to those killed in the crusades.. or by the inquisition, or dead because of a thousand other dumb fucking reasons.
So, are you saying that the violence of Muslims is excusable because Christians also perpetrated violent acts centuries ago? Perhaps you are looking for equity in body count?
I'm having trouble getting past the fact that two wrongs don't make a right.
It would have been too coincidental for this to happen on 9/11 so they make it happen on 9/12, after showing us 24 hours of B.S. on "rewritten history" channel.
Actually, there is a lot of doubt about that. So much doubt that you don't believe it yourself, even though you want to.
You can only prove me right.
May you walk under the light, to the other side brother.
THE SHEEPDOG’S PRAYER
The Knights of Olde were Men of Honor
Who used their Might For Right!
Today they’re known as Sheepdogs
Those who carry on the fight.
I am a tired old Sheepdog,
The guardian of my flock.
I keep the predators at bay
And stand watch around the clock.
Please stop the Sheep from pulling my teeth.
I’ll need them for the fight,
When the hungry Wolves come calling
Some dark and deadly night.
I pray I never need my gun
But someday if I do,
May my cause be just!
My draw be quick!
And my aim be ever true!
Heaven holds a special place
For those who do the deed,
Defenders of the innocent
In their hour of need.
May the Sheep someday be grateful.
There’s a debt they cannot pay,
To the Sheepdogs who lay it on the line
Each and every day.
I am proud to be a Sheepdog.
I’ve done my very best.
I’ll stand my watch until my Maker
Calls me home to rest.
But when I meet Saint Peter,
There’s just one request I’ll make:
“Please let me spend Eternity
Standing guard at Heaven’s Gate.”
2. U.S. soldiers kill people because they have resources the U.S. needs.
I never could understand this argument. If they would act like mature modern day people and just do business like other middle eastern nations, they would be rich beyond their dreams and no one would be dieing. Instead they still live in the 9th century.
Evidence is emerging that the reported source of the video is entirely fictional and that it was a black flag operation intended to act as a distraction for attacks.
states that rape (33:50) and pedophillia (52:24) are legal in paridise but to make a video suggesting that Mohamed engaged in these is blasphemy.
BBC Radio 4 PM probably the most respected News Programme in the one UK ran a feature on that video.
Practically everything we've been told about it is false.
Fuck these morons and their religion of atrocities.
Terrorism thrives under Islam because most Muslims tacitly support it and their Superstition doesn't condemn it.
"This post is an artistic work of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
Slavery thrives under Christianity, for your same cited reasons - with as much "fact" to support it.
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
wasnt the film made by someone else non american?