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Apple Confirms iPhone 5 Preorders Top 2 Million In 24 Hours

TheBoat writes "Apple announced on Monday that iPhone 5 preorders topped 2 million units in the smartphone's first 24 hours of pre-sale availability. That figure doubles Apple's first-day iPhone 4S sales last year, making the iPhone 5 Apple's fastest-selling smartphone ever. 'iPhone 5 pre-orders have shattered the previous record held by iPhone 4S and the customer response to iPhone 5 has been phenomenal,' Apple marketing boss Philip Schiller said."

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  1. Wow. by Theophany · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not sure why they're bragging about it, they're way behind the Galaxy S3 on this particular metric.

    Not a troll, just interesting to see the enormous difference in preorder sales between two companies that are constantly at each others' throats.

    1. Re:Wow. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Right but, are we talking about units sold or units shipped. Apple consistently uses units sold to my knowledge, and then after that it's a crapshoot without additional information.

    2. Re:Wow. by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 5, Informative

      We're talking about the first 24 hours here, US only and directly from consumers. Galaxy S3's 9 million pre-orders was over a longer period, worldwide and pre-orders by carriers. You're comparing apples and lemons.

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    3. Re:Wow. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      For some, a lemon is just a sour grape.

    4. Re:Wow. by the+computer+guy+nex · · Score: 5, Informative

      We're talking about the first 24 hours here, US only and directly from consumers. Galaxy S3's 9 million pre-orders was over a longer period, worldwide and pre-orders by carriers. You're comparing apples and lemons.

      Galaxy S3 did not have 9 million preorders. Samsung confirmed it took just under 2 months to sell 10 million.

      http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57477475-94/samsung-galaxy-s3-hits-10-million-sales-mark-early/

    5. Re:Wow. by Theophany · · Score: 1

      On the basis that the 4 and 4S came nowhere near 9 million and that it's a well documented phenomenon that the bulk of preorders will hit in the first 48 hours when excitement overrides rational consumerism.

      They won't break 9mil. Whatever fruit you want to talk about.

    6. Re:Wow. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Right but, this article was written by the same guy who yesterday wrote this:

      "Well, the only thing even more predictable than response to the iPhone 5 was the fact that preorders would sell out quickly."

      Stop letting this asswipe use slashdot to drive hits on his stories.

    7. Re:Wow. by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 1

      Galaxy S3 did not have 9 million preorders. Samsung confirmed it took just under 2 months to sell 10 million.

      It was reported as such, which I assume GP was talking about : Samsung S3: 9 million pre-order new Galaxy phone.

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    8. Re:Wow. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yeah, the iphone is a total rip off.

    9. Re:Wow. by somersault · · Score: 2

      After looking at the specs of the 4S and the 5, I don't understand why anyone would even care about upgrading beyond it being a fashion statement. Especially since it doesn't even fit directly into current iPhone "accessories", which are one of the few real benefits to having an iPod/iPhone.

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    10. Re:Wow. by Buchenskjoll · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, and if christmas tree vendors could keep up sales all year it would be a hell of a business.

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    11. Re:Wow. by MBCook · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Some people will, because they always want the latest and the best. But there are a lot of people like me (with an iPhone 4) or my little sister (who has a 3GS) who are eligible for the full subsidy and for whom it's a major upgrade. For me it's much faster, includes Siri, and a much better camera. For my little sister it's vastly faster, includes a retina display, Siri, a vastly better camera, it's thinner, etc.

      Not everyone ordering is coming off a 4S. I'd imagine most are coming from the 4 or below.

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    12. Re:Wow. by serviscope_minor · · Score: 5, Funny

      You're comparing apples and lemons.

      Actually, I believe he was comparing apples and samsungs.

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    13. Re:Wow. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not to point out the obvious but you do realise they won't sell 2 million every 24 hours henceforth?

    14. Re:Wow. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Ja. "Phones shipped" is a crap metric because a lot of those phones sold just sit on store shelves and don't get sold. "Phones sold" tell you how many are actually being bought an used by consumers.

      Ex., the Samsung Galaxy Tab. Before the recent court case, Samsung was reporting Galaxy Tab *shipment in the millions* (or was it tens of millions? I forget). Then the court forced them to report actual sales and it turned out that Samsung had only sold 1.4 million tablets total over 18 months. Apple sold ~30 million iPads over the same period.

      If a company says, "we shipped X" but won't report "we sold X," it's probably because most of their gear is gathering dust down at the Best Buy.

    15. Re:Wow. by Sez+Zero · · Score: 1

      I'd imagine most are coming from the 4 or below.

      I've got a iPhone 3G and the 5 is looking like a pretty nice upgrade.

      Apple sold about 74 million iPhones by the end of fiscal 2010. I'm sure some have upgraded but a lot of people are probably still carrying around a 3G, 3GS or 4 and are finally ready to upgrade to the latest, with a new service contract.

    16. Re:Wow. by crmarvin42 · · Score: 2

      Do you have a source? I could find no data on 24-hr pre-sale rate for the Galaxy SIII.

      I did find the wikipedia page for the Samsung Galaxy S III, which lists 9 million pre-orders from Carriers in the first 2 weeks based on an anonymous Samsung Official. They then compare this to the 4 million pre-sales of the iPhone 4S. I found no citation for the pre-sale rates for iPhone, but the wikipedia page for the iPhone 4S claims 4 million sold (to customers?) in the first 3 days of availability.

      Compare that to 2 million in 24-hr for the 5, and I doubt that the iPhone 5 is "way behind the Galaxy S3" as you put it. I think the iPhone 5 is probably doing on par with, or better than the S3. The daily rate of sale will need to drop to something below ((9 million S3 - 2 million 1st day iPhone 5's)/13 days remaining in the 1st two weeks for comparison = 0.538 million/day for the next 13 days to end up below the S3. Now, I don't have any data on how effective first day pre-order sales are at predicting the ultimate sale rate of a device, but suspect that the daily rate of sale is not going to drop by a factor of 4 in such a short period of time.

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    17. Re:Wow. by beelsebob · · Score: 2

      Uhh no, Samsung quoted "hundreds of thousands" of preorders within the first 24 hours. 9 million in total before it launched.

    18. Re:Wow. by beelsebob · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Probably no one would upgrade from the 4S, even though it does have twice as much RAM, a CPU that's twice as fast, a GPU that's twice as fast, a bigger screen, ...

      But upgrades from the 4 or the 3GS... Almost certainly tons of people.

    19. Re:Wow. by alen · · Score: 2

      retail release is this friday. they always sell more at retail than online.

    20. Re:Wow. by alen · · Score: 1, Insightful

      i secretly pre-ordered one for my wife because her 4 is already off contract. she wasn't interested until i told her it has a much better camera especially for low light photos and dedicated CPU space for better photo quality. when you have 2 kids things like this matter. not rooting and tooting and staying up all night getting excited by cryptic commands on a black background

    21. Re:Wow. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      I think they are people with iPhone 3 something and less with the iPhone 4. those with the 4S probably are not rushing to upgrade, except for the must have everything new crowd.

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    22. Re:Wow. by jest3r · · Score: 2

      Yes I too still have the 3G (was stuck in a 3-year contract) and just pre-ordered the iPhone 5 which compared to the 3G is going to be a night and day kind of upgrade !!!

      I would imagine any legacy customers will using the 3G / 3GS will take the opportunity to upgrade for sure.

    23. Re:Wow. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Exactly.

    24. Re:Wow. by mlts · · Score: 1
      I have my upgrade order from a 4 for one simple reason -- a higher storage capacity. iCloud Match is nice, but I end up out in areas where there is EDGE coverage or no coverage, so having music on the device itself is always useful.

      Plus, there are some low-level security features which can't hurt. The iPhone 4S and newer use a better salting technique preventing the passcode hash from being copied off [1] (although a four digit PIN copied off will be cracked quickly no matter what [2].)

      [1]:http://www.informationweek.com/security/encryption/security-fail-apple-ios-password-manager/232602738 is the source for that.

      [2]: If you set a password (not a PIN) and use all numbers, when the iPhone asks for the code, it will pull up a numeric keypad, not the complete keyboard. Yes, it might lower security as an attacker knows the PIN is only numbers, but it is a lot easier to enter in the code that way.

    25. Re:Wow. by bdenton42 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The thing with the 5 is that it largely catches up to what is out there now for Android. Every iPhone ever released has been a year or more behind in technology, whether it was 2G vs 3G, 3G vs 4G/LTE, screen resolution, CPU speed/cores, etc. Now iPhone has a decent screen (not 720p HD but close), LTE, and fast dual core CPU. I don't see Android making a large leap over that in technology in the short term, so you can finally get an iPhone and won't have to be embarrassed about the features that it is missing. Just make sure you overpay as much as possible to get the storage you think you'll need because you still can't add or upgrade that ($200 for an extra 48GB is insane).

    26. Re:Wow. by KingMotley · · Score: 4, Funny

      when you have 2 kids things like this matter. not rooting and tooting and staying up all night getting excited...

      That is how you got the 2 kids if I am not mistaken.

    27. Re:Wow. by SomeKDEUser · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Apple is clever (and evil). At this point it is completely clear that they are not in the technology business. They are a luxury brand selling positional goods. If apple reduced its price, it would likely sell much less. If you are not an apple customer, you can smugly look down on apple victims as fashionistas with more money than sense.

      And don't give me crap that there is some crucial software which you need which only runs on macs: this exists but is completely negligible in terms of number of units sold -- and that doesn't even apply to phones.

      It is one of the sorriest traits that I see in my fellow human to value things accordingly to their price.

    28. Re:Wow. by B33RM17 · · Score: 1

      Those millions of S3 users welcome you to try their lemonade

      Mighty tasty stuff.

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    29. Re:Wow. by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Not everyone ordering is coming off a 4S. I'd imagine most are coming from the 4 or below.

      And all those people who didn't want a 4 or 4S ... they simply *HAD* to order their 5 on the first day, right? They couldn't possibly wait any longer than that.

      Uhuh.

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    30. Re:Wow. by KingMotley · · Score: 1

      Just to clarify, the iPhone 5 isn't available yet, so the first two weeks for comparison doesn't start until 9/21. Pre-orders are considered "sold" on 9/21 and will be wrapped into "first day" sales I believe. I'm not exactly sure how preorders that won't ship until weeks 1-3 are counted. Are they "sales" on 9/21, or the date they ship? I'd guess 9/21, because they will word it however they need to so that they have the biggest number on launch day.

      It's all really marketing.

    31. Re:Wow. by vettemph · · Score: 1

      >>> Galaxy S3's 9 million pre-orders was over a longer period, worldwide and pre-orders by carriers.

        And that was just one of MANY Android devices. :)

      HTC, Motorola, LG, etc....

      After the quick frenzy of this occasional apple upgrade, the numbers will go back to being Android heavy.

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    32. Re:Wow. by Cinder6 · · Score: 2

      I'm buying it. After taxes it's $252. I can (and will) sell an iPhone 4 for $170, so it's only $82 for the upgrade. For $82, I get a much better phone than the one I have now. Combine this with the fact that my iPhone 4's home button is starting to stick, and it's a no-brainer.

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    33. Re:Wow. by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Really? Complaining about people's buying habits? Wow. Next you'll be complaining about people's Facebook posts...

    34. Re:Wow. by somersault · · Score: 1

      I was talking from the point of view of people who already have an iPhone. They already have "a nice bit of kit that works extremely well at what it does". There is very little reason to upgrade to the new version. The best reason someone has given so far is for a better camera.

      For people who actually care about picture quality though, I think even the cheapest point and shoot cameras do things better, from my own experience..

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    35. Re:Wow. by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1

      [2]: If you set a password (not a PIN) and use all numbers, when the iPhone asks for the code, it will pull up a numeric keypad, not the complete keyboard. Yes, it might lower security as an attacker knows the PIN is only numbers, but it is a lot easier to enter in the code that way.

      If that concerns you, you can use Apple's free iPhone
      Configuration Utility to create and add a profile that requires a longer passcode. You keep the numeric keypad, but your code can be an arbitrary length. You also get an "OK" button to press to enter the code so the potential attacker won't even know how long your passcode really is without other clues.

      You can also set up passcode aging and history and reduce the maximum number of failed attempts before an automatic wipe.

      For that matter, you can use it and/or the Apple Configurator tool to do quite a lot of iDevice management and customization that the usual /. peanut gallery crowd would have you believe is impossible on iOS.

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    36. Re:Wow. by somersault · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes, unless the user was for example a gamer, 3D artist or video editor..

      Most iPhone games are like console games though, they're designed to work with a very limited set of hardware, and as such should already be running fast enough. Considering not everyone has a 4S, they're probably designed to work well even on an iPhone 4 at least.

      I did recently buy a new Android tablet simply for the better screen and faster processor - but that was to go from something like 1200x800 to 1920x1200, which is quite a significant difference for watching videos and reading. Funnily enough, my old tablet still feels nicer to use because my new one doesn't have Jelly Bean and its "Project Butter" yet. Despite the hardware being faster, the UI actually feels less responsive!

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    37. Re:Wow. by Electricity+Likes+Me · · Score: 2

      I was talking from the point of view of people who already have an iPhone. They already have "a nice bit of kit that works extremely well at what it does". There is very little reason to upgrade to the new version. The best reason someone has given so far is for a better camera.

      For people who actually care about picture quality though, I think even the cheapest point and shoot cameras do things better, from my own experience..

      Wrong metric: the point of phone cameras has always been that you always have them with you. Obviously given prep time I can always get a better quality camera somewhere, but it's (a) potentially very expensive and (b) I need to know in advance what I'm doing.

      Whereas I always have my cellphone, and it has internet connectivity as much as possible. Making that cellphone camera as good as possible is important purely because when something important does happen, chances are it's all I'll have on me.

    38. Re:Wow. by calzones · · Score: 2

      The problem is that iPhones have historically sold out and then remain hard to get for a few weeks after. So if you want a newly released iPhone, you have to either get in really early, stand in line all day at a store, or wait about a month or more.

      For me, leaving AT&T is a huge deal. I was still on AT&T when I bought the 4 two years ago and I simply cannot take another day with these idiot fraudsters. So I wanted to jump on the new phone ASAP and not have to deal with standing in line.

      Plus, my dad is excited to get my iPhone 4 as a hand-me-down. So I'd like to get that to him before this winter.

      It all adds up to not possibly waiting any longer than the first day. I'm sure plenty of other folk have similar motives.

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    39. Re:Wow. by somersault · · Score: 1

      Did you fail to see the irony of your post before you hit submit? Anyway, I'm not complaining so much as musing. And as for Facebook/YouTube comments from the general public.. don't get me started ;)

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    40. Re:Wow. by calzones · · Score: 2

      There's a fix for sticking and non-responsive home buttons involving force-quitting a core app (resets something somehow) and shutting down your phone and depressing and then wiping the whole button area thoroughly with alcohol and a q-tip (esp around the edges)... let dry, boot back up. I did both of these with mine last July and it's been like new ever since.

      The first step sounds like voodoo, but I did it and immediately the button was working again. I only did the second step as well because it seemed like a logical and good thing to do anyway.

      http://osxdaily.com/2011/12/22/iphone-home-button-not-working-or-unresponsive-fix/

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    41. Re:Wow. by crmarvin42 · · Score: 1

      If the pre-orders don't count until the 21st, then it is virtually impossible for the iPhone 5, not to outsell the Galaxy SIII over the first 2 weeks. Apple is adding an additional 22 countries on the 28th, where they should see initial release volumes based on pent up demand in those countries.

      The marketing aspect of these numbers is truly frustrating. Everyone released their numbers based on different metrics (sold to consumers vs shipped to carriers) and time scales (1st 24-hr, 1st 3-d, 1st 2-wk, etc.). Every platform advocate has something to brag about, as long as they get to pick the topic, but observers are left largely confused.

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    42. Re:Wow. by Americano · · Score: 1

      Here's what you're missing: Most people don't buy a new phone every year - even Apple fanatics. Many owners are on 2-year contracts, and won't upgrade more than once every 2 years, when their carrier gives them a heavily subsidized phone for renewing their contract.

      The iPhone 5 isn't targeted at people who already have 4S models - those were purchased in the last year or so. The iPhone 5 *is* a reasonably compelling upgrade for anybody still holding onto a 3+ year old iPhone 3GS/3G, and it's a fairly solid upgrade over the 2 year old iPhone 4 in terms of performance, as well. The people who are going to upgrade from a 4S to a 5 are rare, and likely either the "fashion statement" consumers you mention - who are a small portion of the market - or people who legitimately need/want the LTE features. Otherwise, most iPhone 5 upgrades will probably be from an iPhone 4 or older, when peoples' mobile contracts expire & come up for renewal.

    43. Re:Wow. by Americano · · Score: 2

      Funny you mention that. I have two friends who both have older iPhones (a 3GS and a 4) and who preordered. One (with an iPhone 4) because he's on AT&T, and his contract recently expired, and now that he's off contract, wants to switch to Verizon. The other (with the 3GS) is simply looking for a faster-and-better model, and has been grousing for months about the slow performance of his old 3GS, but was holding out for the iPhone 5 to be released to upgrade, figuring he'd move to the "latest & greatest" when he upgraded, instead of upgrading to a 4S only to see a new model released months after he upgraded. They both preordered on the first day, and felt they "had" to because they wanted the upgrade.

      Are you really so daft that you can't think of numerous reasons somebody may have delayed on buying a 4 or 4S, and then decided to upgrade to a 5 when preorders were available? Or are you just pretending to be oblivious?

    44. Re:Wow. by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 1

      And that was just one of MANY Android devices. :)

      HTC, Motorola, LG, etc....

      After the quick frenzy of this occasional apple upgrade, the numbers will go back to being Android heavy.

      Samsung's the only one turning a decent profit though. And a lot of that market is selling low-end smartphones to be used as dumb phones. One company is building the next generation computing platform, the others are just selling handsets even if some are trying to create a cargo-cult facsimile of an ecosystem (like Samsung with their Samsung S-Cloud and what not.)

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    45. Re:Wow. by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Right but, are we talking about units sold or units shipped. Apple consistently uses units sold to my knowledge, and then after that it's a crapshoot without additional information.

      For Apple, units shipped == units sold. They manage their supply chain quite well and know when a new model is about to be released to cut back production. It's the sure sign a new model is coming when supplies of the old one start drying up.

      Of course, I think preorders for the iphone5 dried up because the wait is so long now that most people are simply going to mob the retail stores. When I got my 4s (upgraded from an original iphone), my 4s preorder was supposed to ship a couple of weeks from release (ship, not arrive - when you preorder with Apple, Apple ships so it'll arrive on release day). I walked to the Apple store, and bought one on release days and cancelled the preorder.

      Basically launch day units sold out within an hour of preordering - which could be easily 1.5M. The others are stragglers for people taking a chance that maybe they can get it by going on release day.

      Though, an annoyance seems to be Apple never makes "enough" - they always sell out on the weekend and supplies are extremely tight. It's a marketing ploy, maybe (though each Apple store seems to get a few daily), but I guess when you're spending billions on making the things, you get cautious and don't blithely order tens of millions for release day and tie up money on inventory.

    46. Re:Wow. by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 2

      Lighten up, it's a joke.

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    47. Re:Wow. by Americano · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They are a luxury brand selling positional goods.

      Actually for me, they're a computer manufacturer selling well-built, well-integrated Unix desktops and laptops, and phones and tablets that are largely zero-hassle to operate. Don't imagine that your logic applies to all, or even most, cases.

      I think the sorriest traits I see in my fellow humans are:
      1) their obsession with what other people do with the money they earn;
      2) their lack of appreciation for tools which save time, which is often more valuable to the owner of the tool than any extra cost incurred in purchasing the tool itself;

      But you know, that's just me.

    48. Re:Wow. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wow. Someone who gets it.

      Platform isn't about some magical choice between closed and open source. Its not some walled garden vs free for all marketplaces.

      People buy a phone that works for them. Once they buy into a platform, once you start factoring in software (apps) and the cost of that, people are reluctant to change.

      iOS and Andriod both have their strengths and weaknesses. Blind rabid fanatacism towards either is stupid. Oooh, my device had 20 billion preorders in 60 days, yours only has 1 billion in 3 days, look how awesome mine is, blah blah blah.

      Fuck you. You're all a bunch of hypocritical assholes with blind devotion to your platform of choice. Blah blah fucking blah.

      I USE my smartphone. I don't give a fuck what OS it runs.

      Its the fucking sports world of the geeks. The Cupertino iPhonies against the Mountain View Androdgynies. Going to the game, wearing your jersey & screaming in orgasmic delight every time your team scores just makes you a corporate stooge.

      It doesn't matter who wins...just that they keep playing. At least then consumers win.

    49. Re:Wow. by atriusofbricia · · Score: 1

      The real question is, who cares? Everyone knows that a large number of core... devotees... are going to snap up the next iPhone no matter what else is on the market and whether it is the best phone/device or not. Because Apple.

      What's more, even if the the pre-order sales for X beat Y who cares? Popularity has never assured quality, just look at Windows. :)

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    50. Re:Wow. by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      [2]: If you set a password (not a PIN) and use all numbers, when the iPhone asks for the code, it will pull up a numeric keypad, not the complete keyboard. Yes, it might lower security as an attacker knows the PIN is only numbers, but it is a lot easier to enter in the code that way.

      If that concerns you, you can use Apple's free iPhone Configuration Utility to create and add a profile that requires a longer passcode. You keep the numeric keypad, but your code can be an arbitrary length. You also get an "OK" button to press to enter the code so the potential attacker won't even know how long your passcode really is without other clues.

      Can I set it to one digit? That should frustrate the holy living hell out of any wanna-be phone thieves...

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    51. Re:Wow. by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      I think the sorriest traits I see in my fellow humans are: 1) their obsession with what other people do with the money they earn; 2) their lack of appreciation for tools which save time, which is often more valuable to the owner of the tool than any extra cost incurred in purchasing the tool itself;

      But you know, that's just me.

      I would add

      3) Their apparent inability to observe another person catching a break for once without getting all petty and jealous and demanding they be given the same deal even if they don't have need for it.


      The longer I live, the more disappointed I become in my species...

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    52. Re:Wow. by SomeKDEUser · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Bullshit. This is after-the-fact rationalising. Apple products are positional goods the same way a Gucci bag is.

      Also, what people do with their money matters. And Americans living this electoral season should, of all people, be aware of that. Spending money on a conspicuous good which has no particular intrinsic value is not admirable. It is crass and should be looked down upon.

      And for the record, I don't want an iPhone nor any other mobile phone: I refuse to give the telcos a single cent more than I strictly need to.

    53. Re:Wow. by bennomatic · · Score: 1

      I don't know if Apple does it on purpose, but to some degree, I think that their iteration process is really, really good marketing. There will always be a set of people--as there are for any product--who need to have the latest and greatest. Some are just fanatics, but some folks--like developers--want to be sure they have all the right equipment for testing their products.

      But for everyone else, the solid, reliable, predictable upgrade path means that if you just got a 4s six months or a year ago, you don't feel like your old phone is suddenly useless. Yes, the new one is faster. Yes, it has new features you might want to have. But this one will last you until that next iteration, when you can afford to upgrade under subsidized pricing.

      Within my circle, among those with iPhones, I've got just one friend who upgrades with each model. Of the others, I'd say it's mostly 4Ss, a handful of 4s and one or two 3GSs hanging around.

      The point is, if each new phone were so radically different that no new software designed for the new devices was likely to work at all on the old ones, that would lead to a lot less customer satisfaction, and in the long run, a lot fewer repeat customers. The jump from model to model is pretty big, but it's not too big to swallow.

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    54. Re:Wow. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Stop letting this asswipe use slashdot to drive hits on his stories.

      No kidding. If you look at his profile: https://slashdot.org/~TheBoat/, you'll note that it has no posts, just submissions, and they're all to the articles on the same site.

      He's not a member of the Slashdot community, he's a parasite looking to make money from it.

    55. Re:Wow. by Panaflex · · Score: 1

      I can assure you that nearly every redneck out here has either iPhone or high-end Android.

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    56. Re:Wow. by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 4, Informative

      Because it's an indicator of how likely support is going to continue in the future. All these companies selling crappy Android based phones for next to no profit are never going to support them. Apple will provided support and updates, etc.

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    57. Re:Wow. by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 1

      Not to point out the obvious but you do realise they won't sell 2 million every 24 hours henceforth?

      Probably not but it would still seem that predictions that the iPhone 5 is destined to be a flop have been greatly exaggerated.

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    58. Re:Wow. by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      "Looking at the specs"...

      The iPhone is not for you.

      Although, saying that, the iPhone 5 is an improvement over the 4S, although I will wager many of the people upgrading are doing so from older phones, since the US pre-orders (at least on AT&T) were restricted to those with a current contract eligible for an upgrade. Given then the 4S launched a year ago, many 4S users are still halfway through their contracts.

      From anecdotal evidence (I know, I know), the people who have pre-ordered the 5 in my circle of friends are upgrading from 4's and 3GS's.

      I have not ordered one - I am the beneficiary of a hand-me-down iPhone 4 to replace my aging 3GS. Nothing better than free (and a grandfathered-in unlimited data and texts contract for £20 per month).

    59. Re:Wow. by Americano · · Score: 2

      Bullshit. This is after-the-fact rationalizing.

      Well that's an awful convenient canned response. Please demonstrate that my statement is after the fact rationalization? Then proceed to show me a Unix laptop that's built to the same quality as a Macbook Pro, and runs a Unix distribution that will be reliable, stable, and won't require me to dick with settings constantly to keep it running. Every Linux system I've ever tried has failed those 3 tests - either it's cheap plasticky garbage that breaks down within a year, requires immense amounts of time dicking with settings and configuration to keep running properly, or requires me to build it all myself, thus costing me more in time than the extra monetary cost of just buying the Macbook Pro is worth to me.

      Also, what people do with their money matters

      By which you mean, "I'm smarter than anybody else, and should be able to to tell people what to do with their own property." You have yet to establish that the purchase of a Mac, or an iPhone, constitutes a "conspicuous good," or that it has no intrinsic value. You have furthermore neglected to even discuss the nature of the standard of value by which you're proclaiming its lack of value. I said, "For me it has value, and here's why," and your response was, "YOU'RE DUMB."

      From this, we may conclude that you're a self-impressed techno hipster who simply enjoys bagging on things that other people appreciate simply because they don't like the same thing you do.

    60. Re:Wow. by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      You think iPhone users are embarrassed that their phones lag in spec to some top level Android phones?

      Do you actually know any iPhone users?

    61. Re:Wow. by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      I was talking from the point of view of people who already have an iPhone. They already have "a nice bit of kit that works extremely well at what it does". There is very little reason to upgrade to the new version. The best reason someone has given so far is for a better camera.

      For people who actually care about picture quality though, I think even the cheapest point and shoot cameras do things better, from my own experience..

      I'm not sure they really do - the iPhone's camera (in the 4 and above) is actually pretty good. Its major weakness is a limited aperture, but it serves as an excellent point and shoot during the day. I just got back from Niagara Falls and the photos taken on my friend's iPhone 4 are at least as good and better in many cases than the point and shoot Canon I had with me (3x optical, 5 MP sensor).

      My friend and I remarked that the point and shoot makers were laughing at Kodak when digital took over after we saw an old, faded, orange umbrella with "Kodak photo products" on it stashed behind one of the food stands near the falls, only to find smartphone makers now doing the same thing to them. In the 3 days I spent there, I saw only a few point and shoot cameras in the hands of the tourists. Either people were using smartphones (of all types), tablets (in a few cases, which always looks hilarious) or they were using a DSLR. The point and shoot is losing its niche.

    62. Re:Wow. by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1

      Not sure why they're bragging about it, they're way behind the Galaxy S3 on this particular metric.

      Apple easily sold more 4S's than Samsung sold GS3's. And Apple will surely sell several times as many 5's as Samsung sells GS3's.

    63. Re:Wow. by Karlt1 · · Score: 1

      So you have official numbers from Samsung as to how many were sold, to the end user?

    64. Re:Wow. by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1

      Those were to carriers, not users of the phones. It took those carriers a long time to actually sell through them. Apple counts only genuine sales.

    65. Re:Wow. by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      Yeah but while it's a decent phone so was the iphone 4s. Where as most Android phones are complete shit so you'll get more people jumping onto something that looks good.

    66. Re:Wow. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      The problem is that iPhones have historically sold out and then remain hard to get for a few weeks after. So if you want a newly released iPhone, you have to either get in really early, stand in line all day at a store, or wait about a month or more.

      And the rest of us really have to give you beta testers a hand. Thanks for all the hard work!

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    67. Re:Wow. by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1

      Sure, but a year from now Apple will have sold about 200 Million of 'em. Maybe even a quarter billion. I'd be happy to revisit this post a year from now. If I'm wrong i'll acknowledge it. This is going to be Apple's biggest breakout. In another generation or two, even low cost phones will be good enough. But right now this phone is so good, and the markets are ripening, that the demand will be staggering. They will sell them as fast as they can make them for a long long time.

    68. Re:Wow. by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1

      For me a 4S was the first iPhone I've owned. And I'll be getting an unlocked 5 as soon as I can get ahold of one. One thing about liking Apple's products, it also tends to make a person think the stock is a good investment. I've made more money on it in the last few months then I will ever spend in my lifetime on Apple products.

    69. Re:Wow. by amiga3D · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't get this kind of hatred for the iPhone. It's as unreasoning as the fanboys' slavish gushing praise. The iPhone is a well made, well designed piece of electronic gear. It functions superbly. Is it overpriced? Maybe. But then any object is worth only what you can get people to pay for it. I think maybe for some it's the status, for some the sleek design and for others the slick OS that functions superbly. Regardless it keeps on succeeding time after time despite all the ranting from so many apple haters. I've seen a lot of Droid users opt for an iPhone after playing with a 4S and I've seen a lot of Droid users give it a pass 'cause they are happy with what they've got. It's great to have the choice though, really.

    70. Re:Wow. by Buelldozer · · Score: 1

      "They manage their supply chain quite well and know when a new model is about to be released to cut back production."

      Mmmmm, this is why you can still buy an iPhone *4* over at the Verizon store, right?

      http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/controller?item=phoneFirst&action=viewPhoneDetail&selectedPhoneId=5782

    71. Re:Wow. by arose · · Score: 1

      But I hear that the 3GS is totally supported due the high profit margins or something, and investing in an iPhone means that you don't have to upgrade to get updates unlike those pesky Nexus devices. So how come your friend is upgrading away from a supported iDevice that is getting updates? Does time somehow let the magic out or what?

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    72. Re:Wow. by fredprado · · Score: 1

      In the US market, sure. In the World Market Samsung alone already has a lead, though. It only shows the average US citizen is a better target for Apple's nonsense.

    73. Re:Wow. by fredprado · · Score: 2

      Samsung alone sells more high end smartphones than Apple, in the World market. Apple only has a lead in US market.

    74. Re:Wow. by SomeKDEUser · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Fact: iphones are a positional good: they cost more and do less than the competition. You buy them because they are shiny and make you look good. This is exactly like a Louis Vuitton bag. I hate that humans fall for that: it is a reality of life, however.

      You also seem to be completely ignorant of the concept of positional good. A Cheval Blanc from a good year is a very good wine. It may even be actually better than the competition. However, what justifies its price is that by being expensive, people buying it advertise their wealth. The iphone is the same and the essential reason it is successful.

      FFS, Apple knows that: look at how it is marketed: beautiful, sleek, elegant. This is not how a phone is marketed... This is a fashion accessory, and there is much more money to be made in fashion accessories than in phones. If Nokia had understood that, they would not be in the dire straits they are in.

      You, on the other hand, seem very defensive about your money and how you spend it. It is your money. You are free to spend it as you want. But don't think for a single second that you get any respect/admiration/status from technically minded people by waving around a luxury good.

      I find interesting you feel guilty about owning a mac computer in a discussion about phones...

    75. Re:Wow. by denmarkw00t · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Honestly, I don't mind the hardware not being "top notch" on my crusty ol' iPhone 4 - having to develop web sites for both Android (various devices from phones to tablets to phablets) and iOS, I can say that almost every Android device is terrible. Not for a lack of good specs or power, but because the OS as a whole is flimsy, unpredictable (I have phones that are fairly new and only have 2.3.1 wtf; the tablet is running HONEY COMB; another phone is running 4.0), and usually seems to at least respond with a noticeable lag. Just rotating the display when in the browser seems to cause a jump, a wait, and finally the catch up to the display being set - it's cute that they do the little "whoa there I'm being rotated lol it tickles!" animation, but in the end I just want the damn thing to be landscape and quickly.

      Android seems like a great OS, but by-and-large it seems the best Android ROMs are those that aren't officially distributed by phone manufacturers, where the community has time and again improved stability and performance in the kernel that would be awesome to see on the general consumer side. What good are 5,000,000 cores if your OS experience is bogged down by "well, it works" mentality to drivers and "ooooohhh shiny" on the UI side?

      Apple tends to win out here when the hardware on the phone is tightly woven to the internals of the OS - they can balance shiny and functional. After two years, my 4 is still kicking, still performing great, and all on crap specs by today's standards. I find it more responsive than my bosses new HTC whatevermajig with ICS.

    76. Re:Wow. by _UnderTow_ · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I suppose the increased performance, better camera, larger screen and oh yeah, LTE had nothing to do with it. It's all just a fashion statement right?

      Idiot.

    77. Re:Wow. by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      Not only that but often, even when I have my DSLR with me, I'll often take a picture with my phone just because it's insanely trivial to share the resulting picture.

    78. Re:Wow. by Samalie · · Score: 1

      What fucking braindead shit is this?

      I have music I purchased on Amazon. Unlocked MP3, DRM free.

      I have music I purchased on iTunes. Unlocked AAC, DRM free, convertable to MP3 in 1 in-program operation.

      Audible - fucking IRRELIVANT. 3rd party company. DRM'd to shit. Not applicable to the argument on either side.

      Now - WAS Apple always this permissive with music on iTunes? No. Who's fault was that? THE FUCKING MUSIC COMPANIES DEMANDING DRM'D TO FUCKING SHIT MUSIC.

      For fuck's sake people...its one thing to be loyal to a product. Its another to be a blind fanatic. And its another entirely to lie your fucking balls off to score a point for "your team".

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    79. Re:Wow. by crmarvin42 · · Score: 1

      because if you are an investor, then popularity is one sign of future success. Relative comparisons of popularity are one possible metric for picking one investment opportunity over another.

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    80. Re:Wow. by pixr99 · · Score: 2

      No offense but I would never buy my kids an iPhone 5, if I had kids.

      The original comment was likely a commentary on how useful a decent in-phone camera can be to parents photographing their children. Since the phone is almost ever-present, it is used regularly for photos of the kids.

    81. Re:Wow. by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      Every iPhone ever released has been a year or more behind in technology

      What was the very first iPhone "a year or more behind in technology" compared to?

      (If it was, why have so many other phones scrambled to be similar to it -- and I don't necessarily mean in a legally infringing way? e.g. Android being Blackberry-ish before iPhone, then suddenly changing to be similar touch screen after.)

    82. Re:Wow. by nabsltd · · Score: 1

      Probably not but it would still seem that predictions that the iPhone 5 is destined to be a flop have been greatly exaggerated.

      I don't see how anybody could think the iPhone 5 wouldn't sell a lot of units. It's been a year since the last time Apple junkies could get a new phone, and over 2 years since any major change to the phone. I suspect that the iPhone 5 could have been priced at $400 with contract for the 16GB model and still sold as much as it has.

      Even the $200 upcharge for the 64GB model probably won't slow down sales of that version, since you can't just spend $60 and install a 64GB micro-SD card in case you need more storage later.

    83. Re:Wow. by nabsltd · · Score: 2

      You're comparing apples and lemons.

      No, we're comparing Apple fantics to lemmings.

    84. Re:Wow. by Cinder6 · · Score: 1

      Good to know; thanks.

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    85. Re:Wow. by nabsltd · · Score: 1

      I have my upgrade order from a 4 for one simple reason -- a higher storage capacity.

      Why don't you just get a bigger SD card...oh, yeah, that's right, Apple didn't put in a slot for one, likely hoping for exactly this sort of extra sale.

      I wonder how many iPhones were sold for essentially nothing but this (e.g., a 16GB iPhone 4 replaced by a 32 or 64GB model when the user realized that 16GB wasn't enough after few months).

    86. Re:Wow. by RocketRabbit · · Score: 1

      What? They are actually selling 2 million S3s a day? Or is Samsung "shipping" that many, or what?

      Samsung never says how many phones it actually sells. They my say how many they have manufactured.

    87. Re:Wow. by UnanimousCoward · · Score: 1

      Actually, I prefer to spritz up apple with a dash of lemon--makes the sections last longer :P I'm here all day...

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    88. Re:Wow. by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      For many people, it isn't about software that only runs on the Mac. It's about software that only runs properly on the Mac, without massive hassle or paying consultants on a monthly basis.

      See: ColorSync color management.

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    89. Re:Wow. by nabsltd · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The iPhone is a well made, well designed piece of electronic gear. It functions superbly. Is it overpriced?

      Yes, yes, it is overpriced, since the vast majority of Android phones in the $200 with contract price range are also well-made, well-designed pieces of electronic gear, yet offer more bang for the buck.

      Until the iPhone 5, pretty much every Android "smartphone" had a bigger screen, most had close to or as many pixels on that screen, all had better cameras, almost all had more storage for the same price (and all could be expanded cheaply if necessary). In addition, for the normal usage pattern of phone, some Internet browsing/video streaming, music, social networking/staying in contact/texting (including taking and sharing pictures), games, and downloading/installing apps, both Android and iOS are pretty damn easy to use. For some edge cases, one or the other is easier, but this isn't most people.

    90. Re:Wow. by Americano · · Score: 1

      obnoxious twattery that you're trying to pretend is an actual question

      My friend is upgrading because he's not happy with the slower performance of his 3GS under iOS 5 already, he expects it would be even slower under iOS 6, and he wants to take advantage of the additional features that will only be available on newer hardware in iOS 6.

      Oh, yeah, I suppose you were hoping I'd say, "He just wants to be a pretty, pretty princess like all the other girls at the dance, and can't stand the social ostracism of not having an iPhone 5." Sorry, he's got a girlfriend, so I guess you're out of luck.

      Now fuck off.

    91. Re:Wow. by bdenton42 · · Score: 2

      I had a RAZR 3G. When the original iPhone was announced I was all ready to pick it up... touch screen, games, music, what was not to love? Then I saw that it didn't have 3G, so I would drop from 3.6mbps max to 0.384 max on EDGE. Not happening... so disappointed.

      3G wouldn't show up on iPhone for a full 2 years after I already had it on the RAZR.

    92. Re:Wow. by Solandri · · Score: 2

      Most manufacturers do not have direct access to the retail market. The manufacturer is in the business of making products, not the business of transporting them or estimating market demand. So they sell to (or contract with) a distributor, who sells to the retail stores. Consequently, they don't have access to units sold figures.

      The way they get around this is to track units shipped. If products sit on the shelf a certain time (or is returned as defective), the retailer then sends them back (or sometimes the manufacturer authorizes a price cut, as with the HP Touchpad). The units shipped figure is then modified to remove these returns. Now, if you think about it, I'm sure you can figure out what number you get when you take the number of units sent out, and subtract the number of units sent back. C'mon. You can do it. It's not that hard. That's right! Units sold! It's a miracle! Behold the power of math!

      Apple is different. They have their own retail stores, and they negotiate directly with retailers. Consequently, they have direct access to units sold figures. But the elementary-school level math used to convert units shipped to units sold means units shipped is just as good as units sold except for short-term sales figures.

    93. Re:Wow. by Americano · · Score: 2

      Fact: The price of the iPhone is pretty much in line with any other "flagship" smart phone from other manufacturers. Go look, I can wait.

      Fact: All the rest of your whining is apparently rooted in your need to demonstrate that you're "smarter," or "more discerning," or "something" than other people. I'm sorry you were bullied as a child, but I doubt that anybody at Apple was the one to do it, so, get over it, okay?

      Fact: You've spent far too long out of your basement already. You should probably go back down there before you get a sunburn from those fluorescent lights.

      I wish I could say I found some of your ranting interesting or insightful, but really, you're just a sad, pathetic little man who obviously has some sort of chip on his shoulder due to the fact that... what - people choose apple products willingly, and because of their features? I notice you weren't able to point out an equally well constructed, cheaper, or easier to manage Unix laptop for me. I also notice you shy away from naming a model of phone you consider a better value - care to name one that trounces the iPhone's feature list, and is not priced in the same range?

    94. Re:Wow. by MogNuts · · Score: 1

      "Company says that it's products are the best selling ever, according to non-validated internal company figures!"

      Funny how stupid it sounds when you put it that way.

      Oh god I know what you mean. WTF is Slashdot lately. Though these BS news stories with Apple have been going on since the beginning. It's scary though because these fanboy articles are starting to be written in respected places like Reuters and Forbes. I saw it recently and couldn't believe the the bias in the article. It was like "Apple made boring new iPhone with no new features but that's ok because it sells a lot." Like I just sold a steaming pile of turds and put it in a box, but because people ordered a lot it was a quality product. It was like Apple just wrote their articles for them.

      Fanboys we expect this from, but now it's creeping into real journals. Scary. Though it's funny that sensationalist places for news like Yahoo News and CNet already say it like it is--it was boring, now new features, and Apple is running out of steam. Irony.

    95. Re:Wow. by MogNuts · · Score: 1

      Do we know Apple's method of reporting sales? The actual method? Do you have a link? I'm not flamebaiting here. I'm too lazy to check out their annual report. Apple is already guilty of spouting BS non-verifiable sales metrics right now with their pre-orders, but what is the deal in how they report actual sales? And do people actually want them? Meaning, if I have an IPad 2, I'm not going to buy a 3. Or do they still feel content with the original iPad.

      Fanboys don't give these things, that's why we just hear the usual memes repeated. I wonder what the real numbers are.

    96. Re:Wow. by SomeKDEUser · · Score: 1

      You are a sad person who thinks phones and laptops are the same. What can I do?

    97. Re:Wow. by MogNuts · · Score: 1

      You are correct in theory. And I agree with you.

      But in reality: people buy from whomever has the most/best marketing.

      They buy Apple because they saw some hipster douche on TV ripping on a silly nerd, or because they have a hipster douche friend who shouts to get an iPhone every day at their friend, or because a girl thinks "it looks cute" and then proceeds to put a Burberry case and bedazzles on it.

    98. Re:Wow. by MogNuts · · Score: 2

      They provide bug fixes. Not updates. 3GS and 4 won't get all the goodness of iOS 6. Let's not pretend they are still getting an update.

      Also don't forget Google didn't need to provide a lot of updates (notice i didn't say bugfixes) because it had features that iOS lacked for ages, like the newly touted turn-by-turns directions, Google-earth ripoff, poor man's version of cloud functionality as opposed to badass Google's implementation, etc.

    99. Re:Wow. by Americano · · Score: 1

      You said: "Apple products are positional goods the same way a Gucci bag is." (Scroll up - those are your words!)

      I gave examples of Apple laptop & phone - both "Apple products" - and reasons - of their utility to me - to buy them. You proceeded to whine in response, while offering no substantial counter-point about competing phones or laptops that would satisfy my requirements as well, while claiming that there are "better, cheaper" alternatives and that the "only" reason anyone would buy an Apple product is because it's expensive. If you know of these better, cheaper alternatives, surely you can point to a single one? Surely?

    100. Re:Wow. by toruonu · · Score: 1

      The heck are you speaking? I'm maintaining a huge datacenter and partook in the Higgs discovery using a MacBook Pro. What is it in a full Linux distro that is so needed that you need a Linux/Windows VM? I write python and C code for both simulationdata mining and visualization and it works fluently in OS X.

    101. Re:Wow. by toruonu · · Score: 1

      Got an iPhone 4 and planning to upgrade. For me the 4S wasn't a large enough upgrade to go with it, but I do feel the lack of siri as a point. Now with iPhone 5 i also get added benefits in slightly larger screen (thank god it's not as huge as SIII has), the performance snappiness, the camera upgrade and a number of iOS upgrades that do not come to iPhone 4. And at least in Estonia the LTE speed is quite decent so that's added value as well. Also, I can sell the iPhone 4 for about half of the iPhone 5 cost making it a reasonable upgrade without a contractual need.

    102. Re:Wow. by SomeKDEUser · · Score: 1

      Of course it's not the only reason! They also have a shiny logo. I never denied the existence of the shiny logo. But I was thinking about the ip?ds when I said "product". There is much to be said about the laptop hardware (except Linux support is bad, making them useless to me).

      I am personally partial to desktops for work (and yes I pick the parts), and for laptops, well, it turns out asus netbooks are fine for my needs ('cause no laptop I can actually move around is going to do anything else than display stuff anyway) If I needed a good laptop, I'd go for Lenovo -- the high end models, mind you.

      But this is not relevant to my point: look at how the apple shops are laid out! look at the adds! apple markets its wares as luxury goods. It is not me making this point, it is apple.

      As an aside, I don't understand this laptop thing, or rather, I completely understand laptops, but I don't understand this laptop-as-a-desktop-replacement thing. Is the economy so bad people don't get desks anymore? Or is everybody else spending their life on the road?

      As an aside to the aside, what is wrong with remote connections? why would I need power locally?

    103. Re:Wow. by tomuo · · Score: 1

      This always nags me. Did you actually sell your stock and realize that gain, or is it still on paper? If you did sell your stock, then you'd have none for when the stock goes up to another insane level? Did you have the foresight to buy many dozens of shares originally so you can sell them off one at a time so you still have some left? Apple stock is a one-way elevator, except when it stops and you fall off. You have to get off at some point to get your money out. If you sold them all, you've got nothing left in this game.

    104. Re:Wow. by mosb1000 · · Score: 1

      People buy a phone that works for them. Once they buy into a platform, once you start factoring in software (apps) and the cost of that, people are reluctant to change.

      I don't think the $20-$30 worth of apps I have on my phone would be a significant deterrent to me switching to a different platform. Unless those apps weren't available on another platform.

    105. Re:Wow. by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      OK, but were you actually doing browsing on a clamshell phone? That's a serious question. I tried doing basic browsing on one of my Virgin Mobile flip phones, and it was horrible. (I say this as a person who for a very long time used a text-based browser, and should probably recompile 'links' to play with again..)

    106. Re:Wow. by Macrat · · Score: 1

      The iPhone 5 *is* a reasonably compelling upgrade for anybody still holding onto a 3+ year old iPhone 3GS/3G, and it's a fairly solid upgrade over the 2 year old iPhone 4 in terms of performance, as well.

      My unlocked iPhone 3GS is not even 2 years old yet and has plenty of life left in it.

    107. Re:Wow. by bdenton42 · · Score: 1

      Browsing on the flip phone? Sparingly. Entering web addresses using T9 was not particularly quick, and the browser was rudimentary. I used it much more tethered to a laptop, and for that purpose it was fantastic.

    108. Re:Wow. by arose · · Score: 1

      No, I'm saying that the contrary accounts of longetivity of iPhones are baffling. But I suppose you fucked off already because you knew that you supposed your supposition wasn't entirely corrent?

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    109. Re:Wow. by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      OK, so you did care about the speed, but from the laptop. Though IMHO that was very much an edge case back when the original iPhone came out, and even now, I'm not sure how often it's used. (Yes, I admit, because tethering costs extra money, at least for some phones.)

    110. Re:Wow. by rsborg · · Score: 1

      from something like 1200x800 to 1920x1200, which is quite a significant difference for watching videos and reading. Funnily enough, my old tablet still feels nicer to use because my new one doesn't have Jelly Bean and its "Project Butter" yet. Despite the hardware being faster, the UI actually feels less responsive!

      That's about a 2.5x jump in pixel count - so unless the new tablet has a graphics core that's at least 2.5x faster, you're going to need to expect possible slowdown.

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    111. Re:Wow. by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Right but, are we talking about units sold or units shipped.

      I'm cynical enough to believe they make these numbers up just to generate hype over a new product.

      The inevitable "shortage" of 'phones over the month after launch? That could be deliberate, too, just to make people who got one feel special (and the ones who didn't to walk around muttering at the floor).

      Yeah, you are totally right, others have made the same observation last year. iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Sell Out

      Meanwhile, back in the real world, the iPhone 4S was a huge success.

      People also noted 2 years ago: iPhone 4 Pre-Orders Wreaking Havoc On Apple Store. That one also sold well.

      Now the question is: why did Samsung suddenly tell us that the S III pre-sold well?

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    112. Re:Wow. by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Galaxy S3 did not have 9 million preorders. Samsung confirmed it took just under 2 months to sell 10 million. http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57477475-94/samsung-galaxy-s3-hits-10-million-sales-mark-early/

      And AT&T alone activated over 1 million iPhone 4S in less than a week, 9.4 million iPhones (all types) for the whole quarter the 4S was released 2.5 months). Apple sold 37 million iPhones that quarter.

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    113. Re:Wow. by Xest · · Score: 1

      "Ja. "Phones shipped" is a crap metric because a lot of those phones sold just sit on store shelves and don't get sold. "Phones sold" tell you how many are actually being bought an used by consumers."

      This is such a stupid argument, yet it gets brought up time and time again. Companies rarely ever so grossly over-manufacture expensive products like phones that they end up on store shelves not getting sold, in part because retailers wouldn't put up with this. Why would they give up retail real estate for something that doesn't even sell? There has been the odd notable flop, but by and large it's rarely true for the most part. Further, when this argmuent is brought up, those bringing up said argument NEVER provide any evidence to prove that their favourite supplier is giving any different a statistic to their fanboy nemesis supplier's product. We saw it with the PS3/XBox 360 too, where Sony fans were certain Microsoft only talked shipped units and Sony always talked sold units, yet no evidence was ever provided to show that either company was talking about a different product (or even Nintendo for that matter when the Wii fanboys/haters got involved).

      "Then the court forced them to report actual sales and it turned out that Samsung had only sold 1.4 million tablets total over 18 months. Apple sold ~30 million iPads over the same period."

      This was another misleading argument. The tablets Samsung reported in it's case were merely those that were argued to be infringing on Apple's patents. Samsung released alternative versions of it's tablets quite quickly and so the figures it quoted were only for those that would could or could not have been determined to be infringing in the case. The later editions of it's tablets that had some minor changes to avoid being relevant to the case were not involved in those numbers because they simply weren't relevant to the case - the case wasn't about them and so any compensation it was deemed Samsung should pay Apple could've been skewed if the jury intentionally or mistakenly took non-infringing devices into account.

      "If a company says, "we shipped X" but won't report "we sold X," it's probably because most of their gear is gathering dust down at the Best Buy."

      If a company says "we shipped X" they pretty much always mean exactly the same thing as companies that pretend otherwise. Companies like Apple have no more or no less of a clue how well 3rd party retailers are doing at selling their product than Samsung does. Apple has the advantage of knowing 1st party sales, but that still only tells part the picture.

      Honestly, the only thing the shipped vs. sold argument does is provide fanboys with an arbitrary unproven reason to claim their device is doing better than whatever device they currently choose to hate. It's a get out clause, it's the god argument, it's for people who can't provide anything worthwhile to backup their chosen preference.

    114. Re:Wow. by somersault · · Score: 1

      I considered the larger resolution, but the fact is that it plays HD video fine, plays games fine, and scrolls 2D elements at a nice framerate - just there are odd lags in responsiveness sometimes. Hard to define my Xoom was the same until Jelly Bean.

      It's been noticeably better since removing a couple of the Asus Widgets off my desktop, but I'm definitely looking forward to Jelly Bean on it :)

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    115. Re:Wow. by somersault · · Score: 1

      Wow, nice attitude there. I assumed LTE wasn't available in the US yet as it isn't available here in the UK and a lot of Europe, seems I was mistaken there. The "increased performance, better camera and larger screen" are a waste of time over the 4S though.

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    116. Re:Wow. by somersault · · Score: 1

      They focused on making Jelly Bean far more responsive, it's definitely noticeable. I have had the default browser crashing on me sometimes though.

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    117. Re:Wow. by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      >>> Galaxy S3's 9 million pre-orders was over a longer period, worldwide and pre-orders by carriers.

      And that was just one of MANY Android devices. :)

      HTC, Motorola, LG, etc....

      And non of them bothered to post pre-sales numbers. Most don't even post sales numbers. Actually they just post losses.

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    118. Re:Wow. by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      In the US market, sure. In the World Market Samsung alone already has a lead, though.

      In a quarter before the next iPhone comes out. Don't hatch your bears before they scratch their back on the Christmas tree. Or something.

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    119. Re:Wow. by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Those millions of S3 users welcome you to try their lemonade Mighty tasty stuff.

      Turns out it was Flav-R-Aid.

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    120. Re:Wow. by psiclops · · Score: 1

      so you respond to someone mentioning the fact that apple supporters commonly state iPhones remain supported for generations and don't need to be upgraded for years.......by stating that your friends are updating because instead of simply not being supported, apple release sowftware updates making the older devices LESS usable....

      i think i'm gonna switch to apple now.

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    121. Re:Wow. by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      But I hear that the 3GS is totally supported due the high profit margins or something, and investing in an iPhone means that you don't have to upgrade to get updates unlike those pesky Nexus devices. So how come your friend is upgrading away from a supported iDevice that is getting updates? Does time somehow let the magic out or what?

      Because the 3GS is 3 years old. It came out the same time as the HTC Hero - even Cyanogen only gives you 2.3 for that high end phone.

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    122. Re:Wow. by denmarkw00t · · Score: 1

      I'll be interested in playing with Jelly Bean when it hits for the TouchPad (lol), or when I see a device running it in the wild. I think the thing that irks me the most isn't on Android's side, but the manufacturer's side - they want absolutely nothing to do with supporting the OS in the long run, which means you either get stuck with 2.3.x or you go out into the Big Bad Rooting Scene and try not to flub your phone. Of course, there's no incentive for manufacturers to release updates when you could just buy a new phone, complete with Android 4.0 "Oh hey you like? Yeah, it'll never see 4.1 but thanks for the two-year commitment!"

      So, having to deal with the fractured ecosystem stinks too, but a more responsive OS you say? I hope so - I want good things for Android.

    123. Re:Wow. by somersault · · Score: 1

      My Xoom (1st Gen) has the official Jelly Bean ROM. I did mod it to the US ROM first to get that, since we don't get updates as promptly here in the UK. It seems that going Motorola is probably a safe bet for updates since they are owned by Google now. I'm hoping Asus will keep up with support on the Transformer line too.

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    124. Re:Wow. by B33RM17 · · Score: 1

      Lol now you're just making stuff up

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    125. Re:Wow. by hazydave · · Score: 1

      This is all part of the Apple iPhone Launch song and dance.

      They know pretty accurately what they're going to pre-sell. They pre-sold 1M iPhones 4S last year because that's how many they made available for pre-order. This year, it was 2M iPhones 5. Apple's spent the last month building the anticipation: leaks, event announcements, etc. Even the wait from the announcement to the online ordering being enabled. And the fact they sell out in store every year -- all of this is well planned.

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    126. Re:Wow. by hazydave · · Score: 1

      It's the sure sign a new model is coming when supplies of the old one start drying up.

      Not really. It's a sign that a new model is coming when orders for the old model start shrinking. Apple keeps selling the old models -- they just rotate them down the price structure. And EVERY knows this. The iPhone 5 launch was the least well kept secret in technology, and that's exactly how Apple wants it. Rather than have the press talking about the new iPhone for a week, they're doing that for a month before the official availability. So people just stopping the 4S, because everyone knew the 5 was coming this month. If you didn't like the 5, you'd be guaranteed to get a 4S for $100 less right after the iPhone 5 announcement. Easy.

      Though, an annoyance seems to be Apple never makes "enough" - they always sell out on the weekend and supplies are extremely tight. It's a marketing ploy, maybe (though each Apple store seems to get a few daily), but I guess when you're spending billions on making the things, you get cautious and don't blithely order tens of millions for release day and tie up money on inventory.

      No, it's much more than that. Apple does their marketing homework -- they knows with certainty they'll see ten or twenty million iPhones this fall, and they have no concerns about tying up money in inventory -- they have $100+ in cash (though most of it outside the USA). In fact, they probably have a very precise estimate of sales, and they're working to deliver that much product.

      This is all part of the marketing process that is an iPhone launch. They could have 5 or more million available for pre-order online. They don't. They have enough to beat last year's record enough to get the press reporting it. But not so much breaking that record next year should be a big problem. That's optimizing the press they get from the pre-release, just as they optimize the impact of the announcement. I mean, if Apple felt like it, they could have the announcement, then start the pre-sale that very day, maybe the store sale that day or the next. But they don't -- they give each of those events time to get reported, all that free publicity. And more, all that reinforcement in the iPhone users' minds that this is something special. No other new device release makes this kind of impact.

      They also have to be careful about pre-selling too many online, because the next big event on the calendar is the in-store release. That's also going to break last year's record, and they're also going to sell out. iPhone fans know this, so they line up outside Apple stores across the country, and sure enough, it's another big media event. It gets reported, the lines, the eventual sellout, etc. Again, this isn't like any other "phone".

      Magically, once the noise all dies down, though, ample supply of the iPhone 5 will appear. This is also part of the process.. having generated all this excitement, they really don't want to lose that momentum.

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    127. Re:Wow. by hazydave · · Score: 1

      I'm cynical enough to believe they make these numbers up just to generate hype over a new product.

      The inevitable "shortage" of 'phones over the month after launch? That could be deliberate, too, just to make people who got one feel special (and the ones who didn't to walk around muttering at the floor).

      It's all deliberate. And well planned. Apple sold 1 million 4S last year via pre-orders. So naturally, they're going to sell more this year. But not so many that they'll have trouble selling 2.5M or 3M iPhones 5S or 6 next year.

      Keep in mind, too, that selling a million smartphones in a 24 hour period is no kind of amazing accomplishment. Last year, around Christmastime, there were several days that topped one million Android devices, and I think Apple even hit two million once or twice. There are currently about 1.3 million Android activations every day.

      In short, very credible numbers, given the month long hype circus that leads up to any iPhone pre-order day. And to the iPhone in-store day as well. Apple has generated this fear that you won't be able to get your new iPhone. They did that on purpose because it gets all sorts of free press, and just makes the iPhone seem a more attractive thing -- anything that's hard to get must be worthwhile, eh?

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    128. Re:Wow. by fredprado · · Score: 1

      It has been so for a few quarters already. Maybe Apple will get ahead for a quarter or two when iPhone5 comes, but then again maybe not.

    129. Re:Wow. by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      That's not "technology". The subthread was about hardware technology.

    130. Re:Wow. by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      Do you actually know any iPhone users?

      Probably just the strawman kind.

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    131. Re:Wow. by arose · · Score: 1

      Let me guess, Cyanogen is concerned about performance so instead of putting out a subpar rom they don't do it at all, am I in the ballpark? But yeah, I hear you loud and clear, your premium payment provides you with laggy updates that will frustrate you into upgrading. Magic indeed.

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    132. Re:Wow. by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Let me guess, Cyanogen is concerned about performance so instead of putting out a subpar rom they don't do it at all, am I in the ballpark? But yeah, I hear you loud and clear, your premium payment provides you with laggy updates that will frustrate you into upgrading. Magic indeed.

      Figures you would try to draw the non-availability of an one year old OS on old Androids phones as a plus - right after you attacked Apple for not bringing all features of a brand new OS to an iPhone of the same age. Fucking Magic Flav-R-Aid.

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    133. Re:Wow. by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1
      Of course it's still on paper. It's got a long way to go. This coming year is going to be huge for Apple.

      By the way, "on paper" is not as intangible as it seems. It increases the net value of the brokerage account, which frees up funds to make other investments as well.
      It also enables such strategies as selling call options against the stock. For example, a week before the phone announcement, when the stock had a great run up, I sold short-term call options on 200 shares with a strike price of 720. Those options have now expired and I keep the $1,200 premium. Had the share price exceed 720 and the buyer elected to exercise those options, I would have been obligated to sell them at $720 each. Which wouldn't have been the worst thing in the world. (I'd still get the $1,200 too).

      I don't often play the "covered call" strategy, but in this case I was confident that the run up had baked in almost all of the value of iPhone 5 announcement, and so I figured the risk of it blowing past 726 (the point at which I start to lose money on the deal) was rather small.
      But now I am holding tight. I think they will sell every phone they can make for many months to come, and the expected iPad Mini will be a monster hit too. I think it'll challenge 1,000 next year, and go on to as much as 1,500 subsequently. They are simply going to make too much money for it not to.

    134. Re:Wow. by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1

      For pre-orders, they are *all* genuine sales. Nothing has shipped. If Apple says two million, that means two million real actual sales.

    135. Re:Wow. by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1
      Also, you seem to equating dollars with value. As in until I sell and convert those shares into dollars, it's somehow not "realized."

      But that's really not right. It has a certain value. That's true if it's in dollars or Apple stock or gold or potatoes or whatever. It's the same value. At any instant in time they have the same value. Over time, the values change relative to each other, and successful investing is the moving of that value to a form that will be relatively stronger than the others.

      As an investment, the point of converting that value to dollars would be that I think the dollar will increase in value compared to Apple stock. Right now I don't think that's true. (I don't even think it's close.)

      The only other point of converting to dollars is that dollars can be a handy currency. But I already have enough currency to meet my day to day needs, so that's not important in this case.

      Everything you own has a value. It may be stored as a house or a chair or a car or gold coins, but they're all values. US Dollars is simply one form of value.

      And of course the big downside to converting to dollars is that the US government has decided that that it when they get to take a big piece of it away from you. So keeping in some other form helps to delay (and possibly) reduce that bite.

    136. Re:Wow. by arose · · Score: 1

      Quote me on not bringing features onto older iPhones or retract that shit. The argument is that pretending that laggy update significantly extend longetivity is fairly unconvincing. If you need to upgrade your device to get a good experience you are de-facto not getting the updates that your money is supposed to buy. Magic (blame Apple if you don't like that term) to lag is not impressive in the slightest. You can run the latest Linux on a i368 machine, great ongoing support, eh? Would you want to use it?

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    137. Re:Wow. by nobodie · · Score: 1

      Well, I was complaining about this shit a few years ago and was a voice crying in the wilderness. To me, damn near every news or pseudo-news article with iSomeshit in the title was two things: first a shill piece for Apple and second using the Apple name to drive readers to the article thinking it really had something to do with an Apple product.

      In other words, it was a cannibalistic orgy where was used to both drive readers in and build the company rep because people read articles with Apple in the title. This has all the trimmings of a bubble, where the bubble is pumped full of hot air by both the company promoting the bubble product and the buyers together with the media. Here is an idea for you, Apple shares just jumped to $700 a share on the iPhone5 pre-sales. Why don't you go and short them, expecting that it will drop rapidly if the actual numbers don't match up?

      Well, I'm not gonna, cause I expect that we will never see those real figures, and in fact that even if they got published no one will give a damn. This stuff is messed up man, this is not capitalism, it is fashionalism.

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    138. Re:Wow. by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Sorry I had you confused - but reading your further you are just as dumb as the guy I had you confused with. You are actually arguing that Apple is evil for giving updates to the 3GS because that proves it wasn't a good phone when it came out?

      You are implying that planned obsolescence on Android is a good thing.and that Android phones, no matter how crappy, are worth their money as long as they don't get updates - which is almost certain. That's the most stretched rationalizing I've come across in a long time.

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    139. Re:Wow. by bdenton42 · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure why you and parent thought I was talking about "iPhone users".

      It is nice that the iPhone fits your needs but it did not fit mine on the two occasions when I considered purchasing one and I stated the specific reasons it did not. Given your dismissive comment I know you really don't care about my opinion so there is no point in elaborating any further.

    140. Re:Wow. by arose · · Score: 1

      You are actually arguing that Apple is evil for giving updates to the 3GS because that proves it wasn't a good phone when it came out?

      I'm arguing that the suggestion that such updates are a significant consideration when picking a phone is flawed if the updates aren't optimized for the phone.

      You are implying that planned obsolescence on Android is a good thing.and that Android phones, no matter how crappy, are worth their money as long as they don't get updates - which is almost certain.

      I'm implying that such a thing is neutral if the alternative is lag. Android is a (relatively) open platform, thish means that while you have to do due dilligence, you also get real choice. Just barely enough to run current Android is an economical tradeoff, you pick a cheap phone with the intention of upgrading, there is nothing wrong with that. If you want ongoing support you have to pick something that isn't locked down and has a large developer community, e.g. there is a third party Jelly Bean build for the Nexus One.

      That's the most stretched rationalizing I've come across in a long time.

      That kind of thing happens when you stretch what someone says. The TL;DR of it that Apple advocates don't get to argue updates vs. upgrades both ways. It either is supported well enough that one doesn't need to upgrade to get a smooth experience or it is a tick-tock where being two generations behind degrades your user experience. I hear both, usually whichever looks better in the given context, but only one can be true. There is a certain class of user for whom the degraded experience is sufficient and it that special case Apple's update policy is beneficial, but that is a specific argument not the general case.

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    141. Re:Wow. by MogNuts · · Score: 1

      Amen to that. You are spot on. That's why I just ignore Apple articles most of the time. You know they're just plant stories. Don't ever expect actual news or critical reporting on it. Or even any depth. Or even a slightly critical sentence on one annoying detail. The articles just repeat memes over and over and over. I was just reading some article the other day, it was really good. The guy actually spoke of a few features that he didn't like. *Actually* mentioned the features. And I was like "oh yea, now I remember why I never bought a Mac back in the day. Brain dead design functions and lack of features--just think of QT for Windows, ugh." Even though I am constantly unconsciously swayed by their supposed "perfect" hardware that is so sexy, that is repeated EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. by supposed tech sites.

      I wonder what people think about their beloved Mac when they have all these problems that come to rise? When they get a spinning beachball or finder crashed once a week? Do they get pissed or rationalize it like usual cultists?

      And as for the stock, I know what u mean. It's going up so high because institutional people are buying it because retail people are suckers and think "OMG OMG apple forever!" They flat-out know that the people are idiots and will continue to buy. But then when the musical chairs drop, they'll act like institutional investors: they'll have no problem walking away and taking their profit. But the retail investor will hold on "because it's Apple!". Problem is, when institutional sells, stocks drop, because just a few institutions holds more shares than all the retail investors in the country. So all those fanboys will be left with nothing. Can't say they don't deserve it though.

      And it also doesn't help that institutional investors read the WSJ, and we all know that they're a shill with the resident "Walt Moss-Puppet."

    142. Re:Wow. by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      You didn't state any needs or use cases that would help in any way. You rattled off a partial spec sheet and left the actual analysis of your needs as an exercise for the user. Typical.

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  2. How current iPhone users see the iPhone 5 by redback · · Score: 5, Funny
    1. Re:How current iPhone users see the iPhone 5 by Missing.Matter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's like that Jimmy Kimmel sketch where he gives people an "iPhone 5" (really a 4S) and they tell him how much faster and lighter it is compared to their current 4S.

    2. Re:How current iPhone users see the iPhone 5 by houghi · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg
      Still relevant

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  3. A sucker born every minute? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    By my calculations it's actually 1389 (rounded up) every minute.

  4. Perspective by onyxruby · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Let's keep some perspective here. They only sell one model at a time. All of the other vendors sell multiple models at the same time. The implication is that this is somehow the leading phone ecosystem or some such thing. In reality Apple doesn't even sell as many smart phones as Samsung alone, never mind all of the other vendors.

    Android has 68% of the worldwide market compared to 17% for apple, which slipped from 19% a year before. Look I'm all for personal choice, I think apple has some pretty neat things that they do, but can we check the hype machine in Realityville please?

    1. Re:Perspective by mgscheue · · Score: 5, Informative

      They sell three models at any given time. It was the 3GS, 4, and 4S and now it's the 4, 4S, and 5. I just ordered a "free" 4 for my wife to replace her 3GS.

    2. Re:Perspective by the+computer+guy+nex · · Score: 5, Informative

      Probably because 31% of North Americans are likely to purchase the iPhone 5.

      http://www.marketnews.ca/content/index/page?pid=11889

      Most of Android marketshare comes from prepaid and free-after-subsidy low end phones with no margin. This is why every Android manufacturer combined times 4 doesn't equal only Apple's profit.

    3. Re:Perspective by alen · · Score: 1

      Around the world lots of carriers offer heavy minute/SMS and lite on data plans. I've read of some plans in the 200mb range.

      I bet a lot of these worldwide android sales are like that. Just a replacement for the old BREW phones

      I was going to buy my wife's 80 year old grandma a droid just for the huge screen to replace her landline and put her on the family plan with us. She's never been on the Internet or even sent a text it she might get a gmail and google plus account soon

    4. Re:Perspective by Missing.Matter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Isn't this pretty much a repeat of the PC wars all over again?

    5. Re:Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      I like it how fanbois point out Apple's huge margin on iPhone as something to be proud of. "Hey, check it out how they overpriced it and still we buy it in bunches! Ain't it amazing?"

    6. Re:Perspective by EGSonikku · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't call $199 overpriced?

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    7. Re:Perspective by onyxruby · · Score: 1

      You hit the nail on the head. This is a repeat of the PC wars all over again. A smart phone is just a small PC that happens to make phone calls.

    8. Re:Perspective by onyxruby · · Score: 2

      I assure you that I have been anti-hype and anti-marketing for decades. Sorry to burst your bubble.

    9. Re:Perspective by JustNiz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Apple 5 will be $199? I think not.

      $199 might be the subsidised price a phone company will sell you a branded, locked down version as long as you sign up for a 2 year plan. Actually for that deal I would even call $199 overpriced.

      Now try and just buy the phone without all of that. It'll be like $600.

    10. Re:Perspective by JustNiz · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually I just checked.

      Unlocked iPhone 5 Price: $649 (16GB), $749 (32GB) and $849 (64GB).

      With a two-year contract, iphone 5 Price: $199 (16GB), $299 (32GB) and $399 (64GB).

      $849 for a phone? hell yeah its overpriced.

    11. Re:Perspective by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Yeah because Verizon doesn't lock down their Android phones....oh wait....

    12. Re:Perspective by DynamoJoe · · Score: 1

      So we should believe the metric when it works in your favor but disbelieve it when it doesn't. Are you running for public office? And your metric is bullshit. "Superiority" is subjective and best left to the individual. That's what choice is all about.

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    13. Re:Perspective by rjr162 · · Score: 1

      I believe they mean more than one "new" model (be it high end or mid line phones) vs Apple and having just one "new" phone.

    14. Re:Perspective by Score+Whore · · Score: 1

      I think you're being too subtle and a lot of people are going to miss it.

    15. Re:Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      $199 might be the subsidised price a phone company will sell you a branded, locked down version as long as you sign up for a 2 year plan.

      Branded? Do you live in a cave? The iPhone isn't "branded" anything other than Apple.

      Second, oooooooooh. You have to sign up for a 2 year plan to get your phone cheap. A plan you would have subscribed to regardless so that you can use your phone. A plan that wouldn't be cheaper if you weren't getting a subsidized phone. So, um, what's bad about that?

      Not to mention the fact that virtually every smartphone is in the same category - really expensive if bought outside of a plan but much cheaper when bought with a commitment to a plan. But it's EVIL!!! when Apple does it. Right?

      Anti-Apple fanboyism at its best.

    16. Re:Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Except that on a PC you can install whatever software you want... and a megacorp like Apple doesn't get to decide that a particular app isn't suitable for you to even consider.

    17. Re:Perspective by Americano · · Score: 1

      I think you've earned a "WOOSH".

    18. Re:Perspective by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 3, Insightful
      The Samsung Galaxy S 3 costs as much as an iPhone 5. Premium phones have premium prices. But *most* of the phones Samsung sells are not premium phones.

      The hateboi mantra of "overpriced" seems like a pretty weak way to argue against something. Nice things cost money, and usually in a non-linear way. That's how the world is.

    19. Re:Perspective by jo_ham · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Same price as an unlocked Galaxy SIII.

      It's weird - it's like really small electronic devices with miniature computers inside and a large touch screen are expensive to make or something.

      Who knew?!

      Or maybe Samsung is copying the iPhone's price? *ducks*

    20. Re:Perspective by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You are making ridiculous points. You can get a T-mobile prepaid plan with 5 gigs of 3G+/4G- data and 100 minutes of talk time for $30 a month, out the door. No FCC fees etc... For most nerds, this is plenty. For the cell phone blatherer, you can get Straight Talk unlimited talk/text and 2 gigs of data for $45. For $70 a month you can get T-Mobile prepaid with unlimited/5 gigs of data. Compare to $100+ for AT&T/Verizon plans that are similar.

      So all plans are not the same, subsidized phone plans are a rip off unless you have a bunch of people on a shared plan. But for people buying 1/2 lines and on the 2-year treadmill, they are paying anywhere from $700-$1400 for their "$199" iPhone.

      And yes, this applies to any subsidized phone, but especially the iPhone which would sell far less if people had to pay the $600-$700 for the phone outright then got much cheaper cell plans.

    21. Re:Perspective by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Not so hot a deal. I have three phones on my account - an iPhone 4s, a 3G and some idiot little dumbphone. Unlimited texting, some data cap that I never even get close too and a bunch of minutes. $100/month. The only downside (and it's a big one) is that it's AT&T so there are numerous times when we can't actually use those minutes / bytes.

      The differences in prices with American carriers aren't very impressive.

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    22. Re:Perspective by DynamoJoe · · Score: 1
      Upon rereading, it appears you're right. I can't even spot satire anymore.

      Fuck it, I'll blame autocorrect.

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      bah.
    23. Re:Perspective by Karlt1 · · Score: 1

      "So.... you're bragging that Apple will charge you double the price for what is, in the end, a very similar product? This is a good thing?"

      Apple doesn't charge me twice as much. They charge the carriers more. The carriers charge me no more than an equivalent Android phone. So why should I care?

    24. Re:Perspective by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      Not $648.99 and $599.99? Careful or Apple will be suing Samsung for rounded prices.

    25. Re:Perspective by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      su

    26. Re:Perspective by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      The iPhone was not originally sold with a subsidy, and if you recall, there were a lot of people in line to buy the original iPhone.

    27. Re:Perspective by Solandri · · Score: 2

      Most of Android marketshare comes from prepaid and free-after-subsidy low end phones with no margin.

      This argument is undercut by the post above. Apple sells older versions of its phones at lower price points. Currently iPhones range from top tier (5) to free with plan (formerly 3GS, now will be 4). Same as Android phones. So no you can't argue that Android's greater market share is because they're giving the phones away for free. They give iPhones away for free too.

      Both types of phones now compete across the entire price spectrum. If iPhones are disproportionately newer model phones, that tells you that iPhone buyers disproportionately are the type of people who must have the latest and greatest, instead of trying to get the most bang for their buck.

      This is why every Android manufacturer combined times 4 doesn't equal only Apple's profit.

      Which is what all the Android fans have been trying to tell you all this time - the iPhone is ridiculously overpriced. Apple demands substantially more money for it from carriers than Android phones. So much that the carriers either make no money or lose money on it. In essence, iPhone buyers are being subsidized by Android phone buyers. If Apple got its wish and Android were banned from the market, the iPhone and phone plans would be considerably more expensive.

      Or another way to put it - iPhone sales are inflated because carriers are letting you have a $900 phone (their cost) for $600 (your cost without subsidies). If market prices actually reflected reality (i.e. the industry scrapped this stupid subsidy model and went to a standard loan/financing model), iPhone sales would be considerably worse than they currently are. The current market shares and profit margins you see for the iPhone are inflated due to a masterful marketing machine and inefficient industry practices (your monthly plan costs the same regardless of the cost of your "subsidized" phone).

      (This isn't a dig at iPhone users. They are doing the smart thing getting an $900 phone for $600, even if the price differential is simply cachet and pure profit for Apple. I'm just pointing out that the market share and profit figures are distorted in Apple's favor due to inefficient industry practices. The "subsidy" model worked for fleecing customers because carriers could charge you $480 in "subsidies" for a $200 phone because you never got to see the math behind the subsidy. But as always happens when you deliberately create a market inefficiency, someone else figured out a way to leverage that inefficiency to fleece the carriers.)

    28. Re:Perspective by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      You fanboys make me laugh.

      Someone walks up to a mall booth and sees a shedload of Android phones, and a few iPhones, and they walk away with a $0 low-end android rather than a $200 iPhone because they're going to use it to make phone calls and text, and download maybe 3 apps and never browse the Internet; but that choice was made because of Linux, Openness, the hacker community, and Freedom.

      Do you actually believe this bullshit? Neither does anyone else. Stop posting.

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    29. Re:Perspective by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      So is the competition. Your point?

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    30. Re:Perspective by MogNuts · · Score: 1

      Probably *exceeds* Apple's profit. Google/Android make money on ads. With 500,000 activations of Android phones per DAY, that's an awful lot of ad and market data potential.

    31. Re:Perspective by MogNuts · · Score: 1

      Verbatim. Apple will lose again. Already is. Hence the ravenous patent troll lawsuits.

      Not that I feel bad though for a company which is more evil than MS was back in the day.

    32. Re:Perspective by DanFelixPierce · · Score: 1

      Not really. The PC desktop market is quite different from the smartphone market.

      The PC desktop market in the 80's and 90's was mainly businesses and a small minority of the home market. Microsoft dominated with DOS and then Windows. Microsoft cemented their position with Windows 95. It gave users a good enough GUI that could run on existing hardware (that they spent a few grand on) and could still run DOS and windows 3.x software(that they spent a few hundred on). The other choice of buying a Mac meant spending a few grand on new hardware plus new programs and there was no guarantee that the PC files could be read on a Mac.

      Now look at smartphones. They cost about $300, apps are either $0.99 or free and most of their content(pictures and music) can easily be transitioned between them. There is less of a barrier to moving between platforms. I think this will make it difficult for one player to get a dominant 90% marketshare.

    33. Re:Perspective by toruonu · · Score: 1

      In estonia the iPhone package is 44 eur giving you the 4S for free (16GB), 100 min, 60 sms, 500MB data for 24 months.

      If you take the same conditions without the phone it's ca 15 eur/month so the 30 eur/month is the phone fee. So buying it out vs contract does give a difference here...

    34. Re:Perspective by epiccollision · · Score: 1

      too bad most of the substandard android devices don't have data plans to show those ads

    35. Re:Perspective by LodCrappo · · Score: 1

      i sort of see what you're saying as it applies to home users switching platforms, but still business is going to play a massive factor here. transitioning all of a business's software from one platform to another is a nightmare that costs a fortune. it's nothing to do with the cost of the hardware or the retail cost of software. most business software is developed or at least customized in house, at an expense far beyond the retail cost, if any.

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    36. Re:Perspective by MogNuts · · Score: 1

      You know, that's a good point. Never thought about that.

      But then I thought, it isn't true. I saw it with a few of my friends, but the reality is this: they just connect to WiFi access points instead. It's just different usage patterns.

      For example, they use their smartphones all the time. They just use WiFi in their house. When they leave, they connect to work's. Or they connect at Starbucks when they sit down for coffee. Or when they go out for lunch they connect to the place's WiFi. And this is most of the world. Regardless of what tech sites and the carriers want you to think, not everyone has $100/mo cell bills with data plans. Even iPhone users.

  5. Only Apple Store preorders by the+computer+guy+nex · · Score: 1

    Apple does not release preorder numbers directly from carriers, and the iPhone 5 is launching on more carriers than any other iPhone version.

  6. And the electronic garbage pile expands by StripedCow · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Let's stop putting money into these closed systems.
    Only open systems can help reduce e-waste (just look at Linux, which can actually breathe new life into an old i386).

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    1. Re:And the electronic garbage pile expands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Spoken like a true Slashdotter.

    2. Re:And the electronic garbage pile expands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Breathing life into an old 386 is e-waste. You must not understand the dynamics of modern computing systems.
       
      Let me guess, you use one as a firewall that is about on par with your router's firewall effectiveness but sucks down about 50 times more juice just keeping the harddrive spinning? Yeah. Real good waste there.

    3. Re:And the electronic garbage pile expands by Sique · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm not convinced that keeping an old i386 alive is such a good idea from an environmental point of view. If you get a $25 Raspberry Pi, the added waste to the landfill is not more than a single ISA card from the i386 (e.g. to add network capabilities), but it runs on 3.5 Watts instead of 120. So yes, it is possible to keep old i386 alive with Linux, and no, there is not much point in doing so except the smug "because I can".

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    4. Re:And the electronic garbage pile expands by EGSonikku · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, that's worked well for Android handsets, most of which can't be upgraded, or if lucky maybe once! Versus "evil closed Apple!" who on the 19th will be releasing iOS 6, including for the 3+ year old iPhone 3GS. And Apple actually has done a fair amount of open source (including WebKit and the OS X kernel): http://opensource.apple.com/

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    5. Re:And the electronic garbage pile expands by Metabolife · · Score: 1, Funny

      My experience has been that iOS can breathe new life into an old ARM while Android will destroy the battery.

    6. Re:And the electronic garbage pile expands by mlts · · Score: 1

      I'd keep the 386 around for historic reasons, but compared to the energy use of a small "biscuit" PC with a VIA or low power x86 CPU, 8-16 GB of RAM [1], and a SSD, the 386 is a power hog.

      Even a regular PC with an instance of VMWare Workstation or VirtualBox would be better because it would use a lot less power.

      I've fallen into that trap myself. However, there is a point where old hardware is so energy ineffecient compared to a modern machine and an emulator or VM product, that updating becomes a must eventually.

      [1]: You want a good amount of RAM so you can either have everything cached, or do a RAMdisk mirror. This way, as little as possible goes to disk, which is important for a router since you want as little latency as possible.

    7. Re:And the electronic garbage pile expands by iamwahoo2 · · Score: 1

      Not sure about the GP, but I would consider Android systems to be closed... with the exception of a few that may not try to lock the sytems down.

    8. Re:And the electronic garbage pile expands by Erikderzweite · · Score: 2

      So? The open ecosystem has helped creating custom roms, I have upgraded my Wildfire with CyanogenMod beyond HTC's stock firmware to the latest Gingerbread version, ICS version is also in the works. True, not an ideal solution as I've needed to unlock my phone, but it is better than Apple choicewise.

    9. Re:And the electronic garbage pile expands by StripedCow · · Score: 1

      Granted, I exaggerated a little. But it depends of course on how often you use your computer, and how much garbage an old machine produces.

      My point was that buying a new gadget every other year produces garbage that can be avoided. Open systems can extend the useful lifetime of a product.

      Also consider that if I need an app that exists only on iOS, and an app that exists only on Android, I have to buy TWO phones. Again, predominance of open systems may solve this.

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    10. Re:And the electronic garbage pile expands by Microlith · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's worked well for Android handsets, most of which can't be upgraded, or if lucky maybe once!

      They can all be upgraded. The problem is lazy as fuck vendors and dickish carriers that want you to buy the next phone. If handset vendors interacted with end users directly like Apple does, they'd probably be forced to offer a better experience. Unfortunately for the carriers, this turns them into dumb pipes, which they can't stand.

      And Apple actually has done a fair amount of open source (including WebKit and the OS X kernel)

      Anything will excuse Apple's hostility towards openness, right?

    11. Re:And the electronic garbage pile expands by AmazingRuss · · Score: 1

      I still use my first gen ipod touch. Battery is good, and it works fine.

      I don't understand why I would want to fuck it up with linux. Linux is for my servers.

    12. Re:And the electronic garbage pile expands by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      And that's why I'm in favor of volcano recycling. Return back to the Earth mother and pray to the Tiki God.

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    13. Re:And the electronic garbage pile expands by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      If only it did't hitch up and crash so much.

      Try AOKP - I just switched my Droid X from CM7 to the latest AOKP ICS build a few months ago, and my random-freeze-and-crash issues have, thus far, completely disappeared.

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    14. Re:And the electronic garbage pile expands by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      BS. I own an N900 and a N9. Both quite capable of running open systems, including Android. Yet they're collecting dust because nobody I knows wants them, not even for free.

      Ah, man, I'd happily take that N900 off your hands, I've been wanting to build a Pwnphone for a while, but can't seem to find the hardware for a reasonable price.

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    15. Re:And the electronic garbage pile expands by fermion · · Score: 1
      I know what you are saying, and this fantasy is very popular, but lets look at it reasonably in the phone market. First, it is hard to see how iPhones are going to end up in the landfill. An iPhone 4 with a broken screen is still worth $100. Even if the software can't be upgraded, the phone can be sold. Second the only major dangerous component in the iPhone is the battery. The cover is glass, and metal, all relatively safe of valuable enough to be reused, not just recycled which is crap. The sealed battery insures that it does not end up in a landfill.

      Installing linux does not depend on the openness of the system, not really. Mac laptops are considered closed, but they are probably the best system to run Linux, or now even MS Windows, or whatever you choose. This was true even in the days of the PowerPC and 68K where there were *nix distributions for both. On the desktop PC the renewed life usually came from the upgrading of the mother board, where the old one,with all the lead and mercury were just tossed into the nearest ditch.

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    16. Re:And the electronic garbage pile expands by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Yeah, cause no one tosses off Android phones ever.

      They're running Linux, aren't they? Remind me.

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    17. Re:And the electronic garbage pile expands by MogNuts · · Score: 1

      I don't disagree with you about Android on updates. Pisses me off to no end. But let's not act like Apple is a saint either. 3GS and 4 owners won't get the full upgrade of iOS6. Just bugfixes. And let's not forget that they're only supporting the 3GS because everyone still has one. There would be customer rage if they didn't. Otherwise, look at the iPad. No upgrade AT ALL, yet it was only released like 2 or less than 2 years ago, and is MORE powerful than the 3GS.

      After you bought your magical iPad, they said F YOU, buy the iPad 3 or screw off.

    18. Re:And the electronic garbage pile expands by thedarknite · · Score: 1

      Put them on ebay, there are people who would be happy to buy them.

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  7. Apple Fanboys worry me... by dryriver · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You'd think that people would wait a few days for the iPhone 5 to hit the market, get thoroughly tested/reviewed by various internet sites, build some word-of-mouth (is it genuinely good?). But not, millions of people go "I want, I want, I want" for a product they've never seen or touched in person. ------- Thank god for Android. I couldn't live in a world where Apple dominates everything. --------

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    1. Re:Apple Fanboys worry me... by serviscope_minor · · Score: 5, Funny

      I couldn't live in a world where Apple dominates everything.

      Well, you're not very good at thinking different than are you?

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    2. Re:Apple Fanboys worry me... by tooyoung · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Comments above point out that the Galaxy S3 had 9 million preorders vs the iPhone 5's 2 million. If I apply your logic to those numbers, am I to believe that Android 'fanboys' are a much worse flock? Or maybe people are just buying products that they want and we can stop associating one brand or the other with our egos.

    3. Re:Apple Fanboys worry me... by dejanc · · Score: 2

      The power of marketing seems so vast that we are willing to buy products which don't even exist yet. Even if there were a good financial incentive (20% off or something) for pre-ordering, I would still be baffled by people who would buy a cell phone without reading reviews first. It's not even only about the money - cell phone is something you have to use every day, and if the size, or ergonomics or the user interface isn't right for you, it will make you miserable.

      I can see how Apple users (and I am one) trust Apple to make generally good laptops or phones, but there is still a difference between favoring one manufacturer and buying their products blindly.

      Mandatory viewing: Czech Dream, a documentary about a couple of guys who get thousands of people to show up for a grand opening of a supermarket which doesn't exist.

    4. Re:Apple Fanboys worry me... by KingMotley · · Score: 1

      Perhaps, but I already know what I needed to in order to justify the purchase.

      It will play my 1080p encoded videos that my 4 wouldn't. It has twice the memory capacity my 4 had (64gb vs 32gb).

      To be honest, everything else is just cake.
      4.0" screen? If it still had the 3.5" I still would have bought it.
      Siri? I doubt I'll be using siri at all. I've seen it, but it is a novelty -- not a really useful feature -- yet.
      Faster memory? The faster memory is very nice, I definitely will like the faster app load times, but again, I didn't need it.
      New connector? Yeah, I wish I could skip that one unless it actually does USB 3.0 speeds, which I'm doubting but some are claiming.
      Faster WIFI? Yes, that will be nice, but again not a deal maker/breaker.
      LTE? Maybe. AT&T 3G is bad in many places for me, so I am hoping LTE will be better especially the first few days before it becomes saturated.
      IOS 6? I could put that on my iPhone 4, so that didn't make any difference to me. It is more of a reason I like the iPhone line, not any iPhone version in particular.
      Camera? I'm not a photographer, so the iPhone 4 camera was adequate enough for my needs.
      Battery? This rarely plays any role in my day to day. I have charging cables at both my house and work, so the battery only needs to last for 2-3 hours of video/talk time. On the weekends, it needs 2 days for standby with light usage -- for when I don't make it back to my own house until the next morning.
      Brighter colors? I'll have to see. I was satisfied with the iPhone 4 color saturation. As long as it is as good as the iPhone 4 screen, it's good enough for me.

    5. Re:Apple Fanboys worry me... by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      Even though undermining your jab at Samsung fanboys goes against my Apple fanboy-ness (though I won't be in line on launch day, nor have I pre-ordered), it's worth pointing out the differences between the way the 9 million and 2 million numbers were measured, simply in the interest of facts prevailing. Apple's 2 million number is for the first 24 hours of pre-order availability and only includes consumer pre-orders. I've seen some people here also claiming that the pre-orders for Apple are U.S.-specific, but I've found no evidence for that, and I'm more inclined to believe that they include all countries in which it will be available on launch day, since Apple's announcement of the pre-order date contained no limitations based on country that I could see. In contrast, Samsung's 9 million number included orders from carriers as well as customers and counted the entire pre-order period (which lasted for a few weeks) rather than just the first 24 hours. There's nothing wrong with measuring it either way. The two companies simply measure "pre-orders" differently, so those differences need to be taken into account.

      In terms of sales, we don't know what the iPhone 5's will be yet, but it took Samsung a hair under 2 months to sell 10 million GS3 units. Regardless, both that and Apple's 2 million pre-orders are great numbers for their respective companies and are worth being proud of. Let's be aware of what we're comparing as we're comparing them, however.

    6. Re:Apple Fanboys worry me... by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Eh, it's tribalism projected onto inanimate objects. Sneeches with stars on their bellies. A well understood science in the public relations industry. And yes, the followers are always much more dangerous than their leaders.

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    7. Re:Apple Fanboys worry me... by AmazingRuss · · Score: 1

      Might have something to do with past products working well for these people, to the point they can be fairly certain the next product will continue the trend, but don't let that get in the way of a complex conspiracy theory involving brainwashing and insanity.

    8. Re:Apple Fanboys worry me... by Americano · · Score: 1

      This is the same world where the Samsung Galaxy S3 preorders reportedly topped 9 million.

      Guess you should be even more scared of the Android fans going "I want, I want, I want," for a product they've never seen or touched in person, too, huh?

    9. Re:Apple Fanboys worry me... by Bram+Stolk · · Score: 1

      How many 'lemons' has Apple produced lately?
      I don't think they ever released a bad phone.
      Even my 4, with the so called antenna gate, has been an excellent phone for me.
      The only Android product I ever bought (Acer Iconia Tab A100) on the other hand, was a let down in so many ways (glass broke, $100 repair bill, touches are VERY inaccurate, and the worst viewing angle I've ever seen where the colours go all purple on you at even the slightest angle.).
      I preordered the iPhone5, and see absolutely no risk in that.
      Apple can't afford to produce sub par products, and they will not do so.

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    10. Re:Apple Fanboys worry me... by sootman · · Score: 1

      Based on Apple's history, it's actually a pretty sound decision. There might be some hiccups or issues but Apple has not, to my knowledge, released a product with fatal flaws. Your chances of receiving an unusable Apple device on Day 1 are extremely thin.* In this particular case, this is the 3rd revision of the iPhone 4, so most of the issues have been worked out. Flaws in the past have led to further development and testing.

      If there are problems, they usually aren't as bad as they're made out to be, and if they are bad, Apple usually makes good on them. Plus it's just a regular old product. You can return it for little to no loss.

      * Anecdotes, line up here... ->

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    11. Re:Apple Fanboys worry me... by CODiNE · · Score: 1

      Who is "are you" and what does his thinking have to do with an Apple dominated world?

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    12. Re:Apple Fanboys worry me... by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      There's a time period calculation you're missing.

      The Galaxy S3 preorders were over two weeks. Worldwide. iPhone 5 clocked it's 2M in 24 hours, and that only counts the sales from apple.com - not AT&T, Verizon, Sprint. And only in the US.

      Also, I believe the Galaxy S3 pre-orders were "shipment" and not sell-through numbers, which is what Apple always quotes.

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  8. Re:Total number by UngodAus · · Score: 2

    Number of phones Nokia shipped in 2011: 417 million Just sayin'...

  9. Re:Think Different by ddd0004 · · Score: 2

    They are all thinking different together

  10. Re:Ball's in Sammy's court now... by the+computer+guy+nex · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually 22% of Android users, 38% of Blackberry users, and 32% of users with dumbphones are expected to buy the iPhone 5.

    There is much less cannibalism here than you lead on.

    http://cdn1.techbargains.com/static/images/iphonepredictions/iPhone-infographic_noFooter.png

  11. Re:Sheep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So you didn't buy the iPhone either?

  12. Re:Total number by beelsebob · · Score: 1

    400 million sold and counting actually.

  13. Re:Total number by icebraining · · Score: 1

    Shipped and sold are very different animals. Unfortunately, since I wish Nokia would bounce back - I use and like their phones.

  14. So you're saying pre-orders are a bad thing? by kiriath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ALL those people that pre-ordered the samsung devices 'Sight unseen' were ok though... right?

    People who pre-order anything are idiots... people who buy tickets in advance for a movie are stupid too right? They are sheep blindly following some silly trailer and thinking they might enjoy a movie. People who pre-order video games, music albums... dvds... all sheep. Right?

    I hate when people use the term 'sheeple'... I am fully in charge of my technological wants and desires... I have several android devices, but I really enjoy my apple devices. I have the resources to upgrade when they come out with something new and I do. How does this make me a sheep? I'm not blindly purchasing some mythical happy box because someone said so... if I didn't want it, I wouldn't buy it. Simple as that.

    1. Re:So you're saying pre-orders are a bad thing? by ThatsMyNick · · Score: 1

      Nobody called you a sheeple. Why so defensive?

    2. Re:So you're saying pre-orders are a bad thing? by kiriath · · Score: 1

      Sheeple is one of the tags on the post.

    3. Re:So you're saying pre-orders are a bad thing? by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 1

      Because you don't assess your needs before becoming aware of available products? Because you buy the top of the line regardless of what it does for you? Because you don't consider price/performance ratios? Because a trendy commerical is more likely to affect your buying decision than research and reviews?

      It doesn't sound like you're too bad of a "sheeple" because you are aware that you are giving in to silly childish wants and preferences.

      Obviously people who pay too much, buy crap products, and are influenced by commercials make capitalism SUCK.

      People who know how to use a PC might be offended that some idiot buys a $2500 machine that they could have built for $500... why because the good companies, those that produce a $500 machine that works well, lasts, is flexible, etc. get less profits(per unit) while a bad company that overcharges has higher margins. This makes the good companies wish they were bad companies and before long there are no good companies.

      Where the rubber really hits the road is that the person who bought the $2500 machine could have paid someone knowledgeable $100 to save them $2000(-100). Instead that $100 went to advertisers who just annoy everyone.

      Do you begin to see the problem?

    4. Re:So you're saying pre-orders are a bad thing? by kiriath · · Score: 1

      How do you know I don't assess my needs? How do you know I buy top of the line regardless? How do you know I don't consider price/performance ratios? How do you know I give a rats ass about the commercials?

      I personally don't like any of the Apple commercials... the guy talking with the soft voice all excited yet reserved, yeah he gets on my nerves.

      You may not like Apple's products, but that does not mean that they are 'crap'. Far from it actually, they are very well built and reliable as can be. The companies that make the $500 computers are making sub-standard hardware available to the people who want to pay $500. Every top PC manufacturer has a 'premium' line of very expensive computers. They are expensive because they use the best hardware, not the scaled back stuff with less oomph. You may get more per dollar of a PC than an Apple, but I have several years worth of experience with my Apples being INSANELY reliable. I'm sure people have their share of issues with them, but from my personal experience my Apple computers have been phenomenal. My Apple devices have been just as phenomenal, but maybe I'm getting one of the few 'not crap' devices put out, I dunno.

      Don't assume that because someone likes an Apple product means they aren't knowledgable about PC hardware and PC based software. Some of us are so tired of dealing with all the BS from years and years of "15 hours to make Linux do this" or "oh em gee you have a virus AGAIN?!" that they want an OS that gets out of the way, OS X does that for me. I have several PC's both at work and at home, they are all generally good machines. My gaming desktop is phenomenal. I prefer my Apple products.

      So... in answer to your question, no. I don't really see the problem...

  15. Re:Sheep by EGSonikku · · Score: 2

    Yeah, if you're going to base purchases on how workers get treated, you'll never buy anyone's products, Samsung included.

    http://news.yahoo.com/samsung-accused-worker-abuse-eight-more-factories-215557712.html

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  16. Re:Ball's in Sammy's court now... by EGSonikku · · Score: 1

    Then Samsung must be really dishonest by your logic, since it took a lawsuit for them to reveal their "devices sold" numbers, which were a lot lower than the "devices shipped" number they had been touting. And what difference does it make if iPhones are new or returning customers? Even if they sold their old iPhone to get cash for a 5, someone was still buying that phone from them. Either way, total # of iOS users increases.

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  17. I'm curious... by B33RM17 · · Score: 1

    So I'm not trying to incite a flame war, but I'm honestly curious to see who is coming from what in the pre-order figures. By which I mean, how many are current iphone users looking to have their latest and greatest, who's switching from one ecosystem to another, how many are first time smartphone buyer, etc.

    I've always wondered how these "millions of pre-orders" figures broke down.

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    1. Re:I'm curious... by B33RM17 · · Score: 1

      Ya know, your numbers are probly better than anything I coulda cooked up lol. It's just every time I see these blurbs about shattering previous pre-order records or product x eclipsing its predecessor's release, I wonder if these numbers are even valid. Simply trying to remain safely skeptical.

      So far my biggest criticism of the new iphone, sight unseen, is their claims of battery life. While I understand there have been immense improvements in mobile battery life in the past year, the numbers Apple is claiming seem a bit lofty. They barely upped the battery capacity (1432 mAh? someting like that, all I know is its their most capacious battery yet, even if by only a minute margin) but they're claiming 8 hours of web browsing on 3G and LTE? My current book learning (studying Electrical Engineering) and current experience with an LTE equipped smartphone tells me those numbers most likely shouldn't be the same. Factor in the bigger screen which will have a higher power draw, and a faster processor, and these numbers just aren't adding up for me. I really want to see some battery tests.

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    2. Re:I'm curious... by calzones · · Score: 1

      I'm going to have to agree that battery life is the iPhone's achilles heel for me at least.

      They really need to address this in a dramatic way by iPhone 7 imo to remain viable.

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    3. Re:I'm curious... by B33RM17 · · Score: 1

      Considering their current naming convention patterns, there could be up to 3 more models between then and now. Cross your fingers and hope they breach 1500 mAh by then lol.

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    4. Re:I'm curious... by calzones · · Score: 1

      Wow. Modded down for that, huh.

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    5. Re:I'm curious... by alen · · Score: 1

      replacing my wife's iphone 4 which is more than 2 years old

      free upgrade after i sell her 4

    6. Re:I'm curious... by B33RM17 · · Score: 1

      You were modded down? Someone's being being just a liiiittle petty

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    7. Re:I'm curious... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Translation: I am a shallow buffoon who believes that the path to happiness is conspicuous spending on fashionable consumer goods.

      I'm not bothered when people think they have to have a new car or TV every couple of years I just pity their inability to see how they arre being manipulated by the military-industrial-consuer complex into wasting their lives working for objects that provide nothing but short term satisfaction for a few days, and then become just another self-created financial burden each month.

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  18. Track record by sjbe · · Score: 1

    I would still be baffled by people who would buy a cell phone without reading reviews first.

    Somebody has to be first or else there are no reviews to read. But the real reason people are willing to buy early in this case is that Apple has a reasonably strong track record of releasing good products and this is a mostly evolutionary upgrade to a well understood product. Could it have a showstopper problem? Possibly - but the odds are that it will be fine and most of the likely problems . It's a risk of course but a calculated one. If you prefer to wait there is no harm in doing so. There are lots of products (including Apple's) where I won't buy the first edition. I wait for later versions where the odds of a serious problem are reduced.

    Plus if it really turns out to be a problem you always have the option of switching phones. Might be expensive but you don't have to keep using it if you really don't want to. Anyone who can afford an iPhone probably can afford to replace it if they absolutely had to.

  19. Re:Sheep by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

    Really Potsy....

  20. Re:Ball's in Sammy's court now... by KingMotley · · Score: 1

    There was just a survey done that was published a couple weeks ago and recarried on CNN that said 53% of android users were switching phones, the majority of them that were switching to iPhones, and another very significant portion of current android users who want an iPhone but bought the droid only because it was cheaper -- not better.

  21. 2 Mil sounds about right. by Stan92057 · · Score: 1

    2 Mil sounds about right. Serious fanboys and girls will always have to get the newest. They cant help it.

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  22. yeah, it is popular by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But popularity doesn't coincide with quality. Take Windows for example. Or Java. Popular, but they all suck ass.

  23. Re:Ball's in Sammy's court now... by Americano · · Score: 1

    No, actually, the endgame is *profit,* and Apple is succeeding at that in stellar fashion. Market share doesn't mean dick if you can't make a profit off of it, because it's not *sustainable* if you can't.

  24. Re:Ball's in Sammy's court now... by vakuona · · Score: 1

    You need to give them your name bro!

  25. These posts remind me of... Koyaanisqatsi. by tyrus568 · · Score: 1

    Koyaanisqatsi. Hopi for "life out of balance," a word that is only known to many because of a particular movie of the same name. It's not that technology drives our lives out of balance; far from it. It is when technology supercedes everything else. Serial Experiments: Lain. Ghosts in the shell. Living in the circuitry. A holy silicon wafer.

    So many posts in this thread use the excuse, "We will be buying a 2-year plan for a phone we have to have anyway, might as well get this one," or "A phone is something you use everyday anyway, might as well be a good one," when these statements blind users to the fact that a phone isn't always necessary. I must be the only person reading this thread without a smart phone. Am I saying, "Look at me, I don't need it?" It's not that I don't need it; I choose to live without it. Am I dysfunctional for not wanting a phone? Probably. Yet our relationship with technology has blurred the line between natural being and artificial machines.

    Communication is an integral part of the human condition and required for emotional links to our family and friends. Yet, comments and phones like these remind me of technological pornography: an addiction designed to rub you all the right ways. These phones remind me of substance abuse. It is good to have a phone, of course it is... but there must be a limit between use and abuse. There is now a generation that has never lived without smart phones, who have never lived without the Internet, a generation of people dependent on electrons pushed through never-ending wires, eternal radio transmissions, an endless vista of pure silicon and gleaming metals. The amount of information overload in our society is staggering, and this double-edged sword will continue to whet and sharpen... but when will it actually sever and separate the truth from fiction?

    A book called Brave New World postulated that in the future there will be so much information that the powers that be will be able to control the masses through things they like, not things they fear. The amount of data that is processed through our heads has reached a point where we have difficulty distinguishing fantasy from reality, what is trivial from what is important, what is true from what is false. Objects bubble up in the maelstrom into the awareness of the public consciousness, then quickly sink and fade into obscurity: Ruby Ridge and Waco are the first things that come to mind. Things happen and then they vanish, only to be mentioned as a blurb in the history books. There was once a time when people remembered. Now we happily drown in a sea of solipsism, engrossed to the point of dissociation.

    Okay, I'm done. No, I'm not on anything. I wish I was, then I could forget...

    Yes, I'm crazy. I must be the only one.

    and yeah, soon I won't be able to resist the lure of smart phone, either. But not yet.

    1. Re:These posts remind me of... Koyaanisqatsi. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Smartphones have their genuine uses, but generally they're just yet another status symbol/toy. Although if you count 24/7 access to Facebook as an essential part of your life, they are pretty much invaluable.

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  26. A dinner bell and a drool bucket would be more apt by Burz · · Score: 1

    Pavlov.

  27. The iPhone 5 also costs $200. by Brannon · · Score: 2

    How is it overpriced when it costs the same as the other phones?

    The overpriced myth is possibly the most hilarious anti-Apple meme because it is so provably untrue. The meme is also indefensible when compared to the price spectrum on lots of other products. Plenty of people don't buy the cheapest car they can find; and in fact they routinely pay 30-100% more than the cheapest for largely aesthetic reasons, and those people are not subject to the same kind reductive criticism which Slashdotters heap on iPhone users for paying the same or maybe 10-20% more for the phone they want.

    1. Re:The iPhone 5 also costs $200. by nabsltd · · Score: 1

      How is it overpriced when it costs the same as the other phones?

      A product with the same price as another product but less features is overpriced.

      The overpriced myth is possibly the most hilarious anti-Apple meme because it is so provably untrue. The meme is also indefensible when compared to the price spectrum on lots of other products.

      I have no problem agreeing with you here that people are generally stupid. One of the reasons Apple products sell at the marked price is the same reason that Gucci bags sell for more than "non-designer" handbags. Yes, both Apple and Gucci might be a little bit prettier, but when it comes to function, you can get as much or more for a lot less money.

      Plenty of people don't buy the cheapest car they can find; and in fact they routinely pay 30-100% more than the cheapest for largely aesthetic reasons, and those people are not subject to the same kind reductive criticism which Slashdotters heap on iPhone users for paying the same or maybe 10-20% more for the phone they want.

      Cars are one of the best analogs compared to electronics when it comes to stupid buying, and yes, we do heap criticism on people who overspend on them for no good reason. If you pay more for a car with more real features (e.g., a large SUV to hold your whole family instead of a Smart that wouldn't do the job), then it's fine. But, once you get silly (a Hummer instead of just about any other "luxury" SUV), you get ridiculed. Likewise, spending $200K or so for a "supercar" when you can get something that you can drive at a still insane but more real-world top speed of 120mph or so on the highway (if you live in the US) for $65K will generally get you ridculed by people who realize the extra $135K will get you to go with that car. And, I know personally know people who can literally buy any car they want and have found out the hard way that spending more for a "name" is not smart (like the Range Rover that spent more time in the shop than on the 10,000 acre ranch).

      As for "10-20%", a 64GB iPhone 5 is a premium of $200 over the 16GB model, yet I could replace the 16GB micro SD card in my phone with a name-brand (SanDisk) for less than $60. So, that's a premium of 57% (since my phone did cost $200 when I bought it 18 months ago). Worse, if my wife did the same thing with her less than $150 phone, she would end up with 16GB internal plus the 64GB external, making the iPhone 90% more money for less features (other than maybe the screen resolution, my wife's 9-month old phone has every other hardware spec as good or better than the iPhone 5).

  28. OSX is a complete UNIX system. by Brannon · · Score: 2

    You kinda make yourself look like an idiot for implying that Linux is somehow more UNIX than an actual UNIX system. OSX can do anything that any other UNIX system can do.

    1. Re:OSX is a complete UNIX system. by MogNuts · · Score: 1

      Let's take a step back here. I've been using Linux since 1995. Since Slackware v 2 IIRC. So you can fool most of the Apple sheep on here with ur BS, but not me. I was configuring apache servers and Sendmail servers since well, forever.

      Apple has rudimentary BSD userland tools. It was just based on a BSD kernel and to show the press "UNIX!" they put some userland shit around it to make you feel all fuzzy. Compare that userland to FreeBSD today or a full distro of say CentOS or Debian. If you're doing anything heavy "UNIX-like" or using anything POSIX related, or want anything better than god awful fink and want up-to-date and featureful UNIX apps from a good package manager like apt or yum, you use a real distro.

      There is no shame in dual-booting. Just don't pretend that OSX is the better choice.

      Wait, why am I even arguing? I'm realizing the futility of typing this post out as I do it.

      You're just the idiot.

  29. So having $100B in the bank is a loss? by Brannon · · Score: 1

    Apple is on their way to being the first every trillion dollar company. This isn't a loss, Apple is a huge winner.

    1. Re:So having $100B in the bank is a loss? by LodCrappo · · Score: 1

      You do realize where that money comes from, right? I never can understand cheering for profitable corporations. (not saying you necessarily were, just a reaction to people who say things like you said without acting upset about it).

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    2. Re:So having $100B in the bank is a loss? by MogNuts · · Score: 1

      You are celebrating an evil company who makes inferior products, has cult people constantly justify that and spout BS vitriol about the superiority to others? Way to go man! (read:sarcasm).

      They're are a ton of companies in our history that went to shit. Even Apple itself. Gee, I don't know, remember when it went *bankrupt* in 1997?

  30. It's a different kind of ignorance. by mosb1000 · · Score: 1

    The problem is that people buy features, not specifications. Everything you cite there is a numeric specification. But when it comes down to usefulness, there's nothing important those android phones can do that an older iPhone can't. And the iPhone looks and feels like a higher quality phone. In citing the specs, you're asking users to choose a phone that doesn't feel as fast or as high quality, based on your assurances that it's actually better because of a few numbers. In reality, you're the one who is being duped. All they had to do was throw some big numbers at you and you were sold. You didn't actually consider the merits of the individual devices.

    In reality, the specs have little to do with how useful a phone will actually be. Things like how responsive the interface is and what kind of visual feedback it can provide are much more important to the user experience. The S3 is a good example of a phone that was designed to have specifications that exceed the iPhone. It's screen is much larger, but that means the phone itself is too big for most women (and some men) to use comfortably in one hand. It has more ram and more, faster processors, but the UI doesn't seem any faster or more responsive.

    1. Re:It's a different kind of ignorance. by bdenton42 · · Score: 1

      I agree with you to a degree... a little bit more here or there won't make a difference. But where it mattered for me the iPhone didn't measure up at the time (EDGE vs 3G), and later 600mhz single core with 3G vs 1000mhz dual core with 4G... both times it was a big enough difference that it was quite noticeable. Apple has since closed the gap quite a bit, and as I said with the iPhone 5 I don't think there will be a practical difference.

      As far as screen size I really think that is a personal preference thing. IMO 3.5" is just too small, and running around trying to use a phone with one hand isn't one of my priorities. And since Apple finally caved and added another 1/2" I'm guessing they saw enough of a market they were missing to make that change.

  31. Re:Total number by thedarknite · · Score: 1

    Even though they killed the Meego line I'm looking at getting an N9, because I've realised that I don't really use any apps that aren't available on all phone OS's and Nokia's are still the best phones for making actual phone calls.

    Maybe if Jolla produces a popular phone Nokia may revisit the decision to produce only Win phones and they can return to topping smart phone sales.

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  32. 9 mil??? by epiccollision · · Score: 1

    you do realize that the iPhone 4 and 4s sold over 100 million each right? and the iPhone 5 is slated to break 230 mil

  33. Re:Ball's in Sammy's court now... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    There was just a survey done that was published a couple weeks ago and recarried on CNN that said 53% of android users were switching phones, the majority of them that were switching to iPhones, and another very significant portion of current android users who want an iPhone but bought the droid only because it was cheaper -- not better.

    That would make sense if the cost of a top end Android phone/contract (here in the UK most people get a "free" or cheap phone with a high monthly charge rather than buying the phone outright) wasn't similar to an iPhone.

    However, as it is, then it doesn't make sense.

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  34. You are an idiot. by Brannon · · Score: 1

    I wish I could frame it better--but in a nutshell you are just a fucking moron.

    Aesthetics have value to humans and always have, in every field for all of history--if that makes all humans stupid then you just fundamentally have a problem with humanity.

    Your way of calculating the iPhone premium for its nonexpandable flash memory is transparently dumb. Let me recalculate for you:

    "Lets see, the iPhone has a higher screen resolution than your wife's phone. The cost to retrofit your wife's phone with an iPhone-quality display is about a $100K, therefore your wife's phone is overpriced by about $100K."

    Why can't you just accept that some people like a different phone than you? is that too much complexity for your tiny little brain to handle?