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MPAA Boss Admits SOPA and PIPA Are Dead, Not Coming Back
concealment points out comments from MPAA CEO Chris Dodd, who has acknowledged that SOPA and PIPA were soundly — and perhaps permanently — defeated. Quoting Ars Technica:
"Dodd sounded chastened, with a tone that was a far cry from the rhetoric the MPAA was putting out in January. 'When SOPA-PIPA blew up, it was a transformative event,' said Dodd. 'There were eight million e-mails [to elected representatives] in two days.' That caused senators to run away from the legislation. 'People were dropping their names as co-sponsors within minutes, not hours,' he said. 'These bills are dead, they're not coming back,' said Dodd. 'And they shouldn't.' He said the MPAA isn't focused on getting similar legislation passed in the future, at the moment. 'I think we're better served by sitting down [with the tech sector and SOPA opponents] and seeing what we agree on.' Still, Dodd did say that some of the reaction to SOPA and PIPA was 'over the top' — specifically, the allegations of censorship, implied by the black bar over Google search logo or the complete shutdown of Wikipedia. 'DNS filtering goes on every day on the Internet,' said Dodd. 'Obviously it needs to be done very carefully. But five million pages were taken off Google last year [for IP violations]. To Google's great credit, it recently changed its algorithm to a point where, when there are enough complaints about a site, it moves that site down on their page — which I applaud.'"
Make you think it's dead, that way when they bring it back under another name, you won't notice.
Joy! Beautiful spark of the gods!
SOPA and PIPA were stopped because people found out.. What if this is just misinformation while they prepare something behind the scenes?
I have a bad feeling that something worse is waiting for us down the line...
Translation: Dammit, what part of "cartel" have my clients forgotten they once understood?
That's just what they *want* you to think. O__O
"Ubuntu" - an African word meaning "Slackware is too hard for me."
Remember the supporters of this kind of thing come November.
'There were eight million e-mails [to elected representatives] in two days.' That caused senators to run away from the legislation.
So, now we know what to do to prevent or get rid of Dodd-Frank and other pieces of idiotic legislation.
Don Corleone: So, Dodd will move against you first. He'll set up a meeting with someone that you absolutely trust, guaranteeing your safety, and at that meeting your Internet will be assassinated.
If Slashdot were chemistry it would look like this:Cadaverine
These people are making money hands-over-fist. Billions of dollars flowing into their pockets.
Why do they feel they "need" to do anything about piracy? The vast majority of people will pay for their content. Even I, who used to pirate things like crazy when I was a teenager (due to complete lack of funds) now pay for my stuff since I can afford it.
They should instead find ways to make it easier for customers to buy their media. Look what they did for music; it's DRM free now and so convenient to buy from numerous places, and it all plays on pretty much every device out there. They should do the same thing for video content. Make it so when I pay $10 to download a movie, that it's truly MINE, and I'll gladly buy more movies online.
It's not hard. Yet they are stubborn jackasses and continue with this war of theirs. Reminds me of the equally pointless "war on drugs".
To paraphrase a politician (who's name I don't know). "If it quakes like a duck, walks like a duck and looks like a duck, it is a duck."
Censorship is censorship, just because it is done by a corporation doesn't some how magically make it better. The fact that they manipulated Google into doing their censoring for them doesn't somehow make it clean just because the government wasn't the one doing it.
I don't buy that they aren't engaging in censorship just because they don't have the government doing it on their behalf. For the average person, they would be hard pressed to find an alternative that isn't censored.
This is going to require a much less direct approach and a larger bag of money
Get an axe.
I highly doubt they're dead forever. They WILL be back, and more insidious than ever.
-uso.
What you hear in the ear, preach from the rooftop Matthew 10.27b
It's a trap!
He is lucky he isn't in jail where he belongs for his role in the financial collapse. This piece of shit was receiving benefits (i.e. bribes) from the mortgage industry in exchange for helping to pass laws to keep a corrupt system going as long as possible at taxpayer expense. It's fitting that he is the head of the MPAA. I am not sure that this organization can be properly administered without a giant douchebag at the helm.
don't watch the hand he's putting in front of you, watch the hand behind his back. Don't trust them for a second.
Within a year they've had SOPA and PIPA blown out of the water by that every annoying "democracy" thing, and ACTA got slammed from every angle in the EU before floundering in the parliament. The 'AA's realize this approach is failing, so now they're stepping back to consider their options. If you honestly think they've given up on getting SOPA-like legislation passed, you're dead wrong. They've just realized they have to go about it in a much more clever way, and get the laws passed in small enough pieces to not cause another uproar. Dodd isn't saying "Well that didn't work, we give up!" He's saying: "Plan A failed, so now we're switching gears to Plan B."
like for instance, I have this content here "that I bought," which means "I bought a limited personal use license with a physical copy of the content in one format," and that the copyright acts almost uniformly around the world permit making copies, as many as I want, of the content in alternate formats, as long as I do not lose/sell/toss-to-torrents my original copy and only utilize one copy at a time?
if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
DNS filtering goes on every day on the Internet
I agree completely. For instance China is highly skilled in this. Iran is building a whole independent internet. Perhaps the MPAA would be happier making these their primary hubs of operation, places that are skilled in the art, so to speak. I don't think many in the western world would shed a tear if they chose to so do.
"She's a scientist and a lesbian. She's not going to let it slide." Orphan Black
" 'DNS filtering goes on every day on the Internet,' said Dodd. 'Obviously it needs to be done very carefully. But five million pages were taken off Google last year [for IP violations]. "
Google takedowns are not the same as DNS filtering. This just shows basic lack of understanding of Internet architecture from those that are in the legislature and how they confuse (intentionally or non-intentionally) far reaching Internet architecture concepts with company control concepts to further their agenda.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/05/dns-filtering-absolutely-the-wrong-way-to-defend-copyrights/
Yeah, the RIAA/MPAA isn't going to try any more "Stop teh pirates!!!1!" bills anytime soon. They will probably try a few more disguised as cybersecurity legislation, tacking on copyright maximalism onto "think of the children!!!" alarmism. But that's all irrelevant.
The important lesson they learned is this: Accomplish your goals in an arena where there's no pesky democratic process to worry about. Instead, they push ACTA (which still isn't dead), and TPP (which looks to be significantly worse than ACTA). And they label them as "trade agreements" (even though they're obviously treaties), that way they don't have to deal with that pesky Senate that seems to respond better to millions of voters than millions of dollars. Yep, now they can do ALL their business in secret, back-room deals, and skip that entire public review phase.
And then, once the U.S. is signed onto these treaties, Congress gets the easy out: "We have to bring our laws into line with our international agreements!"
Maxim: People cannot follow directions.
Increases in truth directly with the length of time spent explaining them
to see what topics the people come together on. I guess being able to freely watch entertainment is more important than the economy :/
Still, Dodd did say that some of the reaction to SOPA and PIPA was 'over the top' — specifically, the allegations of censorship, implied by the black bar over Google search logo or the complete shutdown of Wikipedia.
"Okay, we lost but you guys are still wrong and you suck for how you did it" doesn't sound like someone who learned their lesson.
I'm surprised they've yet to just attach similar language from PIPA/SOPA to some "Stop Child Pornography Bill". I don't care how invested they are in internet freedom, I very much doubt Google is going to come out against any bill with such a title.
they hurt from all this dust.
... but you'll love SIPA and POPA!
systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
As a Senator this guy was key in screwing up things for us as citizens well beyond his new role with the MPAA. Dodd-Frank and his other forays into trying to bring order where order didn't need to be invested is going to haunt us for years to come. Shit, it would be better if Jack Valenti rose from the dead and ran the MPAA than this idiot. Sorry, this guy is a chode and he wants to screw you over in any way he can. From this.
On January 17, 2012, Dodd released a statement criticizing "the so-called 'Blackout Day' protesting anti-piracy legislation."[26] Referring to the websites participating in the blackout, Dodd said, "It is an irresponsible response and a disservice to people who rely on them for information and use their services. It is also an abuse of power... when the platforms that serve as gateways to information intentionally skew the facts to incite their users in order to further their corporate interests."[26] In further comments, Dodd threatened to cut off campaign contributions to politicians who did not support PIPA and SOPA, legislation supported by the MPAA.[27]
Disservice? PIPA and SOPA are disservices to consumers everywhere and he should be ashamed of himself. Wait, what am I saying, he is a politician and we all know they have no souls and therefore no sense of shame.
Just ask former Congressman Weiner about that.
Harrison's Postulate - "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism"
Remember TIA ("Total Information Awareness")? That monster rose from the dead and its zombie maw is chomping at the bit to eat everything it can.
I wish the MPAA/RIAA would hurry up and die already. They are little more than brutish fossils, symbolic of a decayed era gratefully forgotten.
Yeah, right.
Democracy fights in anger —it fights for the very reason that it was forced to go to war. It fights to punish the power that was rash enough and hostile enough to provoke it —to teach that power a lesson it will not forget, to prevent the thing from happening again. ~ George F. Kennan
When there's a friggin 1,600 lb gorilla in the room with "Citizens United" tattooed on its chest, us little people have to whip that cream HARD and LONG before anything will happen.
Yeah, right.
Chris Dodd can arguably be called the father (or one of them) of the current economic collapse. Hopefully he can do a repeat performance at the MPAA..
Organization? You must be joking..
Dodd is a politician, politicians lie, thus Dodd is a liar
Thanks to file sharing, I purchase more CDs
Thanks to the RIAA, I buy them used...
I wrote an email to Bob Casey (Sen PA) telling him it was a matter of free speech to let Hollywood censor the Internet.
Bob Casey wrote back,"No it isn't about free speech."
I wrote back,"Yes, it is about free speech."
Then he sends a form letter out to everyone,"I'm changing my stance on this issue because it is about free speech."
Is there anyway we can retroactively get rid of DMCA? That stuff is being abused now.
God spoke to me
He said the MPAA isn't focused on getting similar legislation passed in the future, at the moment. 'I think we're better served by sitting down [with the tech sector and SOPA opponents] and seeing what we agree on.'
How reasonable-sounding. It'd be more convincing if you had tried that approach BEFORE you tried to shove this thing through. Given that your initial approach was to big-foot the opposition and you got your asses handed to you, the other side would be justified in looking at your outstretched hand and spitting in it.
I ditched google and am currently using startpage. Is there any alternative that doesn't censor or use googles data set? Information likes to be free, and so do I!
You can use Startpage's sister company ixquick.com. It's just like Startpage except it's their own search engine that is not dependent on what Google does.
It's not quite as high-quality but it's been more than good enough every time I've tried it.
It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Einstein
I thought you had to nuke it from orbit to be sure?
Some of us already are. http://stoptpp.org/
You rock! In my city there are about 9 theaters with the largest having 17 screens. All are owned by the same Family who owns most if not all the theaters in my province. Their employees are pimply faced kids from the Simpsons and the places have had all the quality sucked out of them and painted over with a 90's black and glow veneer. They have left one theater in the city alone to be the classy theater where even the employees are cooler.
And Slashdot wants to know where so we can flashmob you and force you to accept new revenue and boost sales!
My first Journal Entry ever, in 8 years! http://slashdot.org/journal/365947/aphelion-scifi-fantasy-horror-poetry-webzine
He is saying the truth that they are dead. IMHO, it's a lie to say that groups like MPAA, such as RIAA and similar groups in other countries aren't trying to get similar laws passed as part of treaties and through the UN, etc.
http://www.hawknest.com/
However Startpage has been yelling at me "you have done a large amount of searches, we are going to block you to prove you're not a bot."
(like 10 a day, mostly going to X sites)
My first Journal Entry ever, in 8 years! http://slashdot.org/journal/365947/aphelion-scifi-fantasy-horror-poetry-webzine
However Startpage has been yelling at me "you have done a large amount of searches, we are going to block you to prove you're not a bot." (like 10 a day, mostly going to X sites)
I've never personally had Startpage do that. Could it be actually coming from Google?
It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Einstein
On January 17, 2012, Dodd released a statement criticizing "the so-called 'Blackout Day' protesting anti-piracy legislation."[26] Referring to the websites participating in the blackout, Dodd said, "It is an irresponsible response and a disservice to people who rely on them for information and use their services.
Funny, I never thought these sites owed me their services. I don't recall signing any such contract with them. They do so on a voluntary basis and their willingness to do it is appreciated. I also appreciate their willingness to take a stand on this. I would respect it even if I disagreed with it. It's called honor. It's not something the likes of Dodd would understand because it cannot be deposited in a bank.
Those tactics don't work on people who have emotionally matured past the point of having a fevered sense of entitlement.
It is also an abuse of power... when the platforms that serve as gateways to information intentionally skew the facts to incite their users in order to further their corporate interests."[26]
No, it's free speech. Money, however, is definitely a form of power in sufficient quantities. In other words, "yeah this is just so terrible... ..."
In further comments, Dodd threatened to cut off campaign contributions to politicians who did not support PIPA and SOPA, legislation supported by the MPAA.[27]
" ... except when I do it. Then it's perfectly okay."
Do members of Congress ever entertain thoughts of growing a spine and making it clear that the MPAA needs Congress a lot more than Congress needs the MPAA? How about a ncie "keep your contributions, we don't want them and we will find replacements; meanwhile we will discuss repealing all copyright legislation passed during the last ten years, have a nice day!"
Yeah I know that's a nice fantasy. But it is a nice one.
It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Einstein
The art of slight of hand is to get the audience or target to look at one hand while the other hand does the work. We need to stop watching and celebrating on this success and see what the MPAA/RIAA's other hand(s) are doing.
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When somebody from the MPAA starts talking, I disregard everything he says. Clearly he has a plan to bring them back or sneak something else in under the radar.
FYI, there are roughly 50 such bills and treaties in Congress and the United Nations.
Does nobody know what "misinformation" means? The provisions in the law will show up again, likely tacked onto unrelated bills that will get shot through Congress. I agree with a poster above: They were stupid enough to pass it all at once. They won't make the same mistake again.
intentionally skew the facts to incite their users in order to further their corporate interests.
Perhaps he missed the part where the bills he supported were trying to abridge our rights as citizens to further the corporate interests of major media companies.