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Why Do So Many Liberals "Like" Mitt Romney On Facebook?

pigrabbitbear writes "Mother Jones reports that, 'In recent weeks, a host of liberal types have complained that their Facebook accounts have erroneously "liked" Romney's page, and some are floating the theory that the Romney campaign has deployed a virus or used other nefarious means to inflate the candidate's online stature. This conspiratorial notion has spawned a Facebook community forum, and its own page: "Hacked By Mitt Romney" (cute url: facebook.com/MittYouDidntBuildThat)' So what's going on? Is the Romney campaign engaging in some tech wizardry to hijack Americans' Facebook pages? Seems unlikely, but Romney did somehow manage to acquire millions of fake Twitter followers. But it looks like the Romney campaign isn't behind this one — Facebook and its mobile app is."

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  1. Simple mix up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm pretty sure the folks just assumed they were liking a page about an android. Honest mistake, that's all.

    1. Re:Simple mix up by chill · · Score: 2

      Are you saying they saw "If you Liked Al Gore, check out Mitt Romney" messages and just clicked?

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    2. Re:Simple mix up by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 5, Informative

      One other thing is, to participate on discussions on a page, you must "like" it.

      So some of those liberals that "like" him may have "liked" him for the purposes of trolling the page.

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    3. Re:Simple mix up by Penguinisto · · Score: 3, Interesting

      ...which makes this comment from one of TFAs twice as funny:
      “I’ve deleted 5 people,” one read. “This is the only place that I have any intolerance. If you like that dude, even just on the Internet, we are enemies. No apologies.”

      (Basically, if you facebook-like Romney, that guy considers you an enemy.)

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    4. Re:Simple mix up by gfxguy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Sad, funny, what's the difference? I've seen a lot of posts like that on FB, though... "I will unfriend anybody who [has a different opinion on politics]." Even when I agree with some point, I often post contradictory just to see if they follow up on it... and if they do, I'm better off for it.

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    5. Re:Simple mix up by TheCarp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Several people have asked my why I "like" obama's facebook page even though I consider him a mass murder (for drone attacks), and have a litany of other issues with him (most of which apply just as well to Mitt, and I have no intention of voting for him either, I consider them equivalent candidates)

      The answer was always that....tthere is no dislike button and I can't troll the page without hitting like. That is also why I like a page on the assault weapons ban, not because I favor gun control, but because I want to argue with the people who do.

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    6. Re:Simple mix up by nevermore94 · · Score: 2

      There is something at work in Facebook. I have several times seen Facebook "Recommended for you" that I should "Like" Mitt's page. This is completely weird because I have never posted anything political one way or another on my Facebook page. I am not really an Obama supporter, but I cannot stand Mitt and would never "Like" him or his page. So, why would Facebook "Recommend" him for me? My tinfoil-hat theory is not something as nefarious as "hacking", but more likely someone paid someone at Facebook to make these recommendation show up for more people than they should be.

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    7. Re:Simple mix up by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sad, funny, what's the difference? I've seen a lot of posts like that on FB, though... "I will unfriend anybody who [has a different opinion on politics]."

      Not just politics. I'd bet that you'd find people who will unfriend anyone who has a different opinion on Bleach Subbed or the latest installment of Mass Effect.

      But to get back to the politics part, I saw this yesterday and your post reminded me of it. I can understand taking politics really seriously, but I've got enough in-laws from various parts of the former Yugoslavia to know that you can take the tribalism of politics way too far.

      We're all used to hearing one side call the other "insane" or "evil" or "the antichrist" or "inhuman" because our commercial media is full of that kind of stuff. But when you start seeing friends or family in those overheated terms because of their political views, it's a sure sign that you've let yourself be used by someone else's political agenda, pumped into your head by some media big-mouth.

      It's a shame that more people don't realize that the "other side" is mostly just scared.

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    8. Re:Simple mix up by rwa2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      One other thing is, to participate on discussions on a page, you must "like" it.

      So some of those liberals that "like" him may have "liked" him for the purposes of trolling the page.

      This.

      If you've ever been to either Obama's or Romney's page, all the comments are pretty much chock-full of hatin' from the other side.

      I worked for Microsoft Game Studios for a while and our FB page was pretty much the same way. It was kinda nice, because all of the trolls would hang out on FB and forums... where no one would read them except for other haters. Anyone who was actually playing our game would then be pretty much free to play online relatively unmolested by trolls in-game.

      Same thing with youtube... if it wasn't for youtube trolls, we'd probably have many more here :P

    9. Re:Simple mix up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      liberals that "like" him may have "liked" him for the purposes of trolling the page

      Remember where the 47% video was claimed to have come from? Jimmy Carter's unemployed grandson spent all of his time searching the web for anything he thought might be insulting. After he "found" a snippet of the video on You Tube he hunted down the person who posted it (I don't buy that story, but let's assume it's true for now).

      Same thing here, people follow Romney, listen to Rush Limbaugh, etc. hoping to catch a tidbit that can be used to insult the candidate.

      When you put "found" in quotes were you suggesting it was instead created? It's a fake? Is being an unemployed person, or Jimmy Carter's grandson really that bad? Are you trying to make an ad hominem attack because he's part of the 47% of non-tax payers? Or, just because he lives on peanut farm money?

      Sure, the speech video hoopla was muck raking at its finest but maybe you should consider your own biases when you are out trying to catch those tidbits that can be used to insult Jimmy Carter's family members.

    10. Re:Simple mix up by Bryansix · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ya, well I did unfriend someone once but not because they had a different opinion then mine. I unfriended them because they called everyone who didn't share their opinion, a bigot.

    11. Re:Simple mix up by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2

      Is not this whole thing already essentially explained by the fact that we keep putting "like" in quotes? Are people selectively forgetting that clicking "like" on Facebook is not equivalent to actually liking the thing you clicked "like" on? Just like putting a web page in your "Favorites" list in IE doesn't mean it is your favorite web page?

      Imagine it in the context of Junior High note passing:

      - Do you like me? Y/N

      - I "like" you

      - :(

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    12. Re:Simple mix up by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah, because we all must get along. There is always two sides to every story and both opinions .. wrong or right are valid. We also must give a gold star to anyone who at least tries.

      *cough*bullshit*cough*

      I'm not saying any of that shit. I'm saying that ending decades-long friendship over a political disagreement is stupid. Comparing someone with whom you disagree with Hitler or the Antichrist is stupid.

      And, last but not least, I'm saying that you are stupid.

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    13. Re:Simple mix up by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Gary Johnson has NEVER appeared as a "like" option in FB, even though I am a Libertarian. Those are Sponsored ads and my guess is that Gary Johnson is much better suited to the G+ crowd. The interesting thing is Mitt is also on G+ as is Obama, but I see more +Gary Johnson posts in the WHAT'S HOT section. Or is it just that I tune out Mitt Obama and Barack Romney crap?

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    14. Re:Simple mix up by pkinetics · · Score: 2

      With the amount of linked FB crap on the net, it doesn't take much to build your relationship data. Say you are on a website that has a discussion board. Say the article is about Romney. Say someone says something that disagrees with Romney and you click the Like button or Thumb Up, or make a comment. Well if the forum is linked with FB, it can send the recommendation to their data server. Which is then used to aggregate into your profile.

      All the more reason to block the xss stuff.

    15. Re:Simple mix up by sumdumass · · Score: 2

      I have found that just giving the option to click something on a computer compels some people to click things indiscriminately. It also works well with pre-checked check boxes on software installs and updates. Perhaps this is not far from the truth.

    16. Re:Simple mix up by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      This is exactly like Huffington Post, when you are one amongst thousands even tens of thousands of posters do you think anyone is going to read it. It's a game, that just show the most recent post, give people the kick of seeing their own post and seconds latter the comment disappears in the backlog, while their page view remains the same with their comment still appearing. Go back a few minutes latter and it is buried in the comment avalanche.

      So it is all basically a web site draw card for suckers, fool them into thinking their rant has meaning and keeping them coming back. Arguments are kept alive between utterly uninformed users, ranting back and forth in comment 8769 and comment 8700 thread, that absolutely no one else is seeing, yet those goomba's believe they are convincing the whole rest of the world whilst they fling insults at each other, basically forums for noobs, cruel but true.

      Good forums are all about exchanging, tackling and challenging ideas, throwing new ones into the mix, having some fun. Now life and death over some words that soon disappear in the flood of say let's guess maybe a billion comments scatter out across the web each and every single day.

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  2. Issues by Oh+Gawwd+Peak+Oil · · Score: 5, Funny

    The thing is, Romney has been on every side of every issue. So there's something to like about him for everyone!

    1. Re:Issues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Abortion, taxation of the middle class, exporting jobs over seas, just to name a few.

    2. Re:Issues by Oh+Gawwd+Peak+Oil · · Score: 5, Informative

      Abortion. He's gone back and forth on that since the 90s.

      He's been pretty solidly advocating new laws against abortion recently, but a couple days ago he told the Des Moines Register, "There’s no legislation with regards to abortion that I’m familiar with that would become part of my agenda." Then his campaign hastily "corrected" that a couple hours later and said he "would of course support legislation aimed at providing greater protections for life."

    3. Re:Issues by fustakrakich · · Score: 4, Funny

      I believe he's taking a 'wide stance' on the abortion issue.

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    4. Re:Issues by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's the great thing about Romney as a presidential candidate: there are so many choices. I like moderate Mitt! I like severely conservative Mitt, with Spock's beard accessory! Collect them all!

      If pro-choice Mitt met pro-life Mitt, would there be an antimatter explosion?

    5. Re:Issues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Minimum wage
      Vietnam service
      Abortion
      Roe v. Wade
      Stem cell research
      Healthcare
      47%
      Gun control
      Climate change and greenhouse gas reduction

      It was actually not a joke. There is *no* issue which this man has not claimed to stand for just one side of.

    6. Re:Issues by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      47%

      I don't see what all the brew-haha is about on that one. I mean, he actually hit that one smack on the head.

      I guess the truth hurts....

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    7. Re:Issues by Shadow99_1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm a registered independent and frankly I think that soap dish would be better then 4 years form either of them...

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    8. Re:Issues by chill · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, he didn't.

      He took a statistic from a WSJ article that said 47% of the population was getting a check from the gov't for one reason or another and assumed that meant they were all welfare queens, life-long Democrats and rabidly pro-Obama.

      He didn't take into account the number of people getting Social Security. Nor Veteran's Benefits. Nor Military Pensions. Hell, nor active duty military drawing a paycheck. Nor many, many other categories of payments that go to people who aren't just in it for a handout.

      Or are you trying to tell me that every military person, active duty or retiree; senior citizen or person drawing veteran's disability is a died-in-the-wool Democrat and Obama supporter?

      He was talking to a bunch of fucking morons who can't think beyond simple sentences and telling them what they wanted to hear. He was being a money grubbing, lying politician.

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    9. Re:Issues by chill · · Score: 5, Informative

      My grandmother and grandfather invested post-tax for decades. They did this so they could draw their investment income in retirement and not have to pay federal tax on it. In their retirement years they collected Social Security -- for which they paid into earlier, and drew from their retirement funds -- which had been taxed years before. They paid no income tax during their retirement years and rightfully so.

      My daughter has a job that earned her only a couple of thousand dollars last year. She didn't pay income tax because she lived at home and went to school full time. She was claimed on MY return and her income was reported there.

      However, under the method used by the WSJ she would be reported as paying no Federal tax as it was all returned.

      Keep in mind, anyone working has Social Security and Medicare withholdings. Both are FEDERAL taxes they pay and aren't returned at tax time. They just aren't INCOME tax.

      The amount of money would would collect from the lowest end of the spectrum is offset by what it would cost for you to collect. You'd actually LOSE money processing their returns and everything that goes with it.

      Think of those pictures that occasionally make the news where a doctor frames the $0.01 check he received from Medicare and the $0.42 stamped envelope next to it. Are you honestly saying you want to see that?

      For every complex problem there is an answer that is simple, elegant and wrong. Demanding that EVERYONE pay SOMETHING is an example.

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    10. Re:Issues by Glothar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Everyone who works pays Federal taxes on their wages.

      Not everyone pays Federal Income taxes, because Income taxes are only supposed to be paid on wages earned over a certain level required for some standard of living.

      Example: When I was in college (which I paid for, unlike so many of the welfare-children who drank away mommy & daddy's hard work), I worked part time and made about $12k/year. Between standard deductions, student tuition deductions, and student loan interest deductions, I paid $0 in federal income taxes. However, I still paid FICA (and a couple other small taxes, I think), and that wasn't an insignificant amount, considering that I was paying my own way through college.

      Another example: My mother (one of those greedy, money-grubbing teachers) raised three children on $19k/year. She also paid no income taxes, but still paid a decent chunk in FICA, property, and state taxes. I've heard people complain about how pissed they are that some people don't pay Federal [Income] Taxes. My response has always been: My mom would have gladly traded spots with you. She'll pay income tax, and you can sleep in a cold house because there isn't enough money to keep the house any warmer.

    11. Re:Issues by jd2112 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I get it now! Romney wants to become part of the 47%!

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    12. Re:Issues by frosty_tsm · · Score: 3, Informative

      The statistic is 47% living and breathing people paying no federal income tax. Many more still pay the 15% for medicare / social security, the gas tax and others. And often paying state income, sales, and real estate taxes. Others are too young or too old (retired).

      The statistic has a narrow meaning but has been taken and padded to sound like half the country is mooching.

    13. Re:Issues by digitalaudiorock · · Score: 4, Informative

      Frankly, anyone working (or able to work) should be working AND...have to pay SOME federal tax..I don't care if it is $10 or so....just as long as everyone has some skin in the game, eh?

      I couldn't disagree more. First of all these people ARE paying taxes...just not income tax. They pay payroll taxes, often sales taxes, often property taxes etc.

      I've had others including a close friend make this "everyone should be paying some income tax" argument, but I'm sorry. A working family that has to choose between buying their kids shoes or food should most certainly not pay income tax.

      This whole thing about people who aren't paying income tax always seems to imply that this is something new. These people under similar circumstances wouldn't have paid income tax at any time in our history, because making them do so is just plain wrong. If anything, the big difference is that decades ago the same people would have been much more likely to be making enough money to exceed the tax threshold, which if you ask me has much more to do with this new Gilded Age the so-called "free markets" have given us than anything else.

    14. Re:Issues by Sparticus789 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Like any politician is any better? Gitmo was supposed to closed in January 2010. No tax increases, after the Supreme Court ruled that Obamacare was a tax. Drone strikes increase 3-fold under Obama. The "most transparent government" said that Benghazi was a protest about a Youtube video, then admitted it was a terrorist attack and are now engaged in Newspeak, claiming they never said it was a protest about a Youtube video.

      WMDs in Iraq, Watergate, Iran-Contra, arming the Taliban in the 1980s, the list goes on and on.

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    15. Re:Issues by Minwee · · Score: 5, Funny

      A liberal, a conservative and a moderate walk into a bar.

      The bartender says "Afternoon, Mitt! What can I get for you?"

    16. Re:Issues by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 2

      I've never seen anyone who refers to Obama as BHO who wasn't a racist/bigot/whackjob-extremist.

      Using it immediately labels you as someone who is dissociated from logic.

      Yeah, people really shouldn't make such a big deal over his middle name. They should just use BO's first & last name & initials.

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    17. Re:Issues by mcgrew · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I shudder to think about a new 4 years of a BHO administration

      Sorry, but that's incredibly stupid. The unemployment rate is lower than it's been since before he took office, home foreclosures are lower than before he took office, GM is doing good, is out of bankrupcy, and the US is strting to sell off GM stock, Bin Laden is dead, the stock market is higher than it has been since before he took office, we're out of Iraq and on our way out of Afghanistan.

      And you want to replace him with a clone of the guy that caused all those messes in the first place, who wants to do exactly what Bush did? For God's sake, why??? Bush almost got us into a depression worse than the thirties and you want more of that insanity?

      As Bugsy says, "what a maroon."

    18. Re:Issues by CanHasDIY · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I believe it was more along the lines of 47% of the people in the US that pay no federal tax...many of which are also on the dole...

      You can believe what you want, but that doesn't make your belief fact. Here are Romney's exact words:

      "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it -- that that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. ... These are people who pay no income tax. ... [M]y job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

      Frankly, anyone working (or able to work) should be working AND...have to pay SOME federal tax..I don't care if it is $10 or so....just as long as everyone has some skin in the game, eh?

      We all have skin in the game, by virtue of the fact that, as American citizens, we are collectively affected by federal policy. That's a dumb phrase too often trotted out by asshole narcissists.

      Do us all a favor and don't be an asshole narcissist.

      I don't like it that a large block of people are just voting themselves more money out of the general tax fund.

      Yea, well, then demand that corporate lobbyists be banned from DC. I know you must be talking about corporations, since the poor people you so blithely dismiss hardly have access to the resources required to "vote themselves more money."

      It's a bit mind blowing, how much influence some people think the least of our populace have over the government, meanwhile dismissing the vast amount of overt corporate influence that actually exists.

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    19. Re:Issues by simula · · Score: 3, Informative

      Here is a breakdown of who the 47% are. An interesting point of the pie chart is that 23% of the country is now low-income (an income below $26,400 for a family of four).

    20. Re:Issues by Raenex · · Score: 2

      Like any politician is any better?

      Yes, almost any politician is. Mitt takes flip-flopping to a whole new level. I seriously have no idea what the man stands for besides getting elected, being rich, and being a Mormon.

    21. Re:Issues by seyfarth · · Score: 2

      The percentage not paying income tax was about 34% in 2000. The big change is largely a result of the Bush tax cuts. Now the party which instituted the change complains about their own policy.

      It is also a bit dishonest to complain about these people as paying no taxes. Many of these are retirees who have spent a lifetime paying taxes and most of the others pay Social Security and a host of other taxes. It would be interesting to learn the percentage of total taxes paid by these "non-payers" and compare that to Romney. I doubt that reliable numbers can be found but I expect that a majority of Americans pay a higher percentage of total taxes than Romney who complained about the 47%.

      The concept of people voting themselves more money out of the general tax fund is interesting. This is precisely why so many wealthy people are "investing" in this election.

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    22. Re:Issues by amicusNYCL · · Score: 4, Informative

      Realistically, you should realize that you have 6 choices to choose from. If you believe that your choices are 2 instead of 6 then you're taking the bait. Take that quiz and figure out who best represents you, and sack up and vote for that person even if you don't think they'll win. If Romney represents you the best, so be it. But don't vote for him just because you don't think you have another choice, that's a stupid reason to vote for something.

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    23. Re:Issues by RazorSharp · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you leave the money in circulation then it creates jobs

      No it doesn't. Companies don't hire because they're paying less in taxes, they hire because they need people to get things done. Not to mention that taxing doesn't actually pull money out of circulation the way you're thinking -- it slows inflation or causes deflation. Taxes change the value of money, which is why cutting taxes only has short term benefits for an economy; inflation will eventually catch up so despite having more dollars available their value will be diminished. Likewise, when raising taxes, the money the government collects doesn't just disappear. First, it's used to pay for expenditures and goes toward lowering the deficit (and hopefully, eventually the debt). Second, as I mentioned, the rate of inflation will decrease in proportion to the money being taxed, thus resulting in the same amount of wealth in the economy regardless of the fact that there might be less money. Assuming that cutting taxes will create more wealth is like assuming that printing more money will create more wealth; it doesn't, it just affects the currency's market liquidity.

      Of course, if you're voting based on the abortion issue, you're the type of sucker the Republicans love. Do you actually believe that guys like Romney and Ryan are against abortion? Even if they were elected, they have no way to overturn Roe v. Wade and they know it. It's just an issue they can make a lot of noise about to rally voters who care about nonsensical issues that have nothing to do with how the country is run. Also, what good is it to save the unborn when most aborted babies, if they were to be born, are likely to end up in prison? Here's a primer.

      Finally, a president's economic policies usually take longer than their one or two terms to actually have an effect. One of the many reasons a four year election cycle is stupid. When judging an incumbent's economic policies, one shouldn't consider whether they did good, one should consider whether they will do good. Not to mention the fact that, although the president has more influence over the economy than most, that influence is extremely limited, especially with a divided congress.

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    24. Re:Issues by tnk1 · · Score: 2

      You're right, to a certain degree. You hire people because you need to get things done. If you have nothing that needs to get done, then getting them back your tax money doesn't mean a 1:1 ratio to new jobs.

      On the other hand, if a company needs to hire more people to get work done, but is being taxed for the amount of money they would devote to hiring those people to grow their business, then the taxes prevented a new job from being created.

      In the short term, both parties have it wrong, although in the long term the Republicans are probably right. When you allocate money for a tax, and set your business expectations for that tax, if you do end up with a tax windfall, you're going to bias against hiring as opposed to saving or paying down debt because hiring is an action that has longer term implications. That's why emergency "trickle-down" is a joke. It's just a brief infusion of cash that goes away when the tax cuts are overturned. You can't hire someone indefinitely based on a couple of years of a tax cut, because you're always going to wonder when the tax cut will be allowed to lapse to pay for some program.

      Still, you need to hire people to grow your business. If you have some extra money in your savings account, eventually someone on the Board of Directors is going to ask you why you are holding it instead of a) using it to build the business or b) giving it back to them as dividends. If you are a business executive, paying out to the shareholders helps you keep your job, but you're going to be inclined to not want to empty your cash reserves just to hand the money out, you're going to want to do something with it which drives up your revenue. That is going to include hiring.

      Going into what you said about economic programs taking years to have an effect, in the end, just imposing the tax itself in the first place is where you are going to get your permanent loss of jobs. Like a tax cut, a tax increase or imposition will probably take awhile to shake out jobs, because you budget in advance and have a multi-year program which includes jobs associated with it and so unless it cripples the company's finances, the jobs will remain. Once the tax has been imposed awhile and it comes time for a new multi-year plan to be developed, however, the company will take note of the lesser revenue and either cut jobs or simply not budget for new ones. At that point, the tax has shrunk the economy, and a tax cut will be simply become bonus income for short term use or saving until the cut becomes more or less a permanent reduction or repeal of that tax.

      As for abortion, about the only thing I have to say to that is if there are two choices, you vote for the one who at least pretends to want to follow your wishes, because if you elect the one who isn't even pretending, it means that it counts not only as a vote for continued legalized abortions, it counts as enthusiastic support for the practice. The republicans may never find a way to repeal Roe v. Wade, but they probably won't do something like subsidize abortions above and beyond what may already exists. For many pro-lifers, it would be bad enough that the practice is allowed, it would be almost intolerable to be paying taxes to provide the service.

      And of course, your logic about the prisons is flawed. You can't break down an ethical or moral stance based on outcomes. You can say most unwanted children will end up in jail, but you can just as easily say that some of them do not. And while people in jail are probably not the happiest people ever, you may be surprised to hear that most of them prefer to be alive. More to the point, those who did not end up in prison will not be thanking you for assuming that it is okay for them to be aborted just because you thought they'd be a delinquent. I know at least one person who is happy that his mother decided to allow him to live despite the fact that she was abandoned by the father and had to deal with hardships because that allowed him to go to an Ivy League school and get marri

  3. Because Romney is a liberal. by Kenja · · Score: 4, Funny

    except when he's not.

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    1. Re:Because Romney is a liberal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Liberal" is yet another term co-opted by the spin doctors over time. Other such terms are "hacker" and "anarchist". None of which are recognized by the general public under their original definitions.

    2. Re:Because Romney is a liberal. by flyingsquid · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If you'd asked me about Romney a month ago, I'd have said he seemed like an okay guy. Boring, but okay. I'd have voted for him if I thought he had a better economic plan than Obama.

      But the Libya press conference changed my mind. He was openly gloating. Maybe the Obama administration did screw up in Libya. But Romney saw this first as an opportunity to score points on Obama, and second as a tragedy, if he even thought it was a tragedy at all. He went through the motions of expressing regret, but that asshole smirk was the only genuine, believable part of his entire performance. What kind of person does that, I thought? Then it hit me: the kind of person who picks on a gay kid, holds him down, hacks off his hair, then when confronted years later, lies about it. An asshole.

      That Romney went back behind the curtain again for a bit. I wondered if maybe I'd been too harsh on him. Then came the 47% clip. Some people said he was just playing to the crowd. But again what I found striking was the way Romney spoke. He was dynamic, engaged, alive. He didn't sound like the pandering guy on the campaign trail. There was conviction.

      People ask about the real Mitt Romney... watch those speeches, and you'll see him, you'll see the real Mitt Romney slip out from behind the carefully constructed mask.

    3. Re:Because Romney is a liberal. by ArcherB · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But the Libya press conference changed my mind. He was openly gloating. Maybe the Obama administration did screw up in Libya. But Romney saw this first as an opportunity to score points on Obama, and second as a tragedy, if he even thought it was a tragedy at all.

      And the fact that Obama kept saying it was a protest of a video and not a terrorist attack for weeks after even the State Dept was claiming that there was no protest doesn't both you at all? It's one thing to criticize the president over inaction, and 16 hours of silence qualifies as inaction on the part of the White House, but to lie about the cause to try to minimize the political damage is simply disgraceful. And then there is there is the fundraising in Vegas while people were dying overseas at our embassies... I guess we just have different priorities.

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  4. Using "Like" to stream "Lies" by domulys · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Some people "like" Romney only to get updates from his social media feed. Think of it as automated 'opposition research'. What Romney days one day, my neighbor repeats the next, so it gives me a leg up.

  5. Obligatory Sun Tzu by cmiller173 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle. - Sun Tzu

    I'd be willing to be the Obama campaign has an account somewhere that has liked Mitt as well.

  6. uhh, practical reasons by ThorGod · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Perhaps they just wanted to see what his current platform was by viewing their wall.

    Also, it's routine for people to "challenge" the choices of others when those choices are apparently strong and rigid. Maybe some liberals "like" conservative topics/people as a way to show their friends that they've considered those topics/people.

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  7. Re:Not Just Romney by MisterMidi · · Score: 2

    You can buy Facebook likes, Google +1s or Twitter followers by the thousands, and this is probably what the campaign teams have been doing. I don't know how the sellers get their likes though. It could be a lot of fake accounts, it could be worms hidden in games or maybe Facebook itself selling likes.

  8. Why "Like"? by DarthVain · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why do I have friends on Facebook that "like" pepsi, amex, costco, walmart, etc...

    Why do they post religious jesus quotes in cheesy photos of angles or little girls praying, or images with stupid insperational quotes, or stupid photos of things to "like": Like if you don't want to kill kittens, etc...

    Tempted many times to simply post on my wall: "Seriously WTF is wrong with you people!"

  9. This is not a Romney issue, it IS a Facebook issue by Aqualung812 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have noticed a ton of my friends that "like" things I know they know nothing about.

    For example, a friend of mine that is a stay at home mom that can't use her iPhone "likes" Barracuda networks. When I asked her about this, she was clueless.

    I've also seen many other friends liking things that do not fit them at all. I mean, they shouldn't be even seeing ads for these things, so I don't buy TFA's assumption that these are fat-finger issues.

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  10. Nuthin' that happens on facebook surprises me... by Kazoo+the+Clown · · Score: 2

    Zuckerberg is always dicking around with it looking for an angle. Maybe he wanted to give Romney a boost, just to see if he can.

  11. And "obama care" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I believe he's taking a 'wide stance' on the abortion issue.

    Governor Mitt did some "liberal" things about healthcare when he was governor of Mass. Then as Rep Pres candidate, he was against Obama Care - similar to what he did - WTF?!? Now, he's back to being in favor of it - I think - I lost track.

    Paul Ryan is also a flip flopper. As a Congressman, he brought up some important issues about Medicare - like cutting $700+billion to keep it from going bust - and now as Ryan the VP candidate, he's against it.

    That's why when the Presidential debates are happening, I tell folks that if I want to see that much hot air, I'll turn my furnace on. Because they are debating issues that the President has little or no control over: taxes (Congress controls that) and the economy - tell me how the President can do anything about unemployment and the economy?

    And as far as the VP debates go tonight, I'm going to watch something that is more intelligent and pertinent to the economy and our country: monkeys flinging poo at one another.

    1. Re:And "obama care" by gander666 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Except that our healthcare as it exists today is "up to the states" by and large. And you know what? The states have completely fucked up the laboratory experiment that is Healthcare. We know that doesn't work.

      The only real option is a public, single payer system, and getting to a state where the US funds subsidies of drug prices around the world. Recently in AZ, where I live, there was a lady who had a major adverse reaction to a bark scorpion bite. 6 doses of antivenin that is manufactured in Mexico were administered. If she was in Mexico, total cost would have been about $600. Her bill? $35,000 for the same medicine that costs

      Want more? I used to work for a multinational. They explicitly said that they will hire more people in Canada, the UK, France and Germany, while reducing their roster in the US. Reason? Healthcare costs. Paying the extra taxes and having universal healthcare is a powerful reason to move good high paying engineering jobs out of the US.

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  12. Not over four years by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Insightful

    To be fair, the Republican party got a lot of media attention in part because they had, like, 6 people running for the position of a Republican candidate

    That's just the last two years.

    The media has ignored just about any possibly negative thing to say about Obama over the course of four years; even longer if you include the campaign leading up to the last election.

    There would be no such problem with Romney, even after the election is over. The press will gladly latch on to each and every mistake made. Indeed without other Republican candidates in the picture they will look at him ever more closely.

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    1. Re:Not over four years by lgw · · Score: 2

      Indeed. The press has been building in this direction for about 10 years now. There used to be some bias, sure, but there was at least some attempt at even-handedness. Now we seems firmly back to 18-19th century-style yellow journalism. When the National Enquirer was up for a Pulitzer because they were the only paper to run a political scandal story, something is pretty broken.

      In an odd coincidence, redership/viewership of major news outlets has plummetted over the last 10 years. Almost as if a new outlet that's totally in the tank for one political party wasn't all that appealing to people.

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  13. I won't join Facebook until... by Kaenneth · · Score: 5, Funny

    They add a Loathe button.

    1. Re:I won't join Facebook until... by Nationless · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I like this.

      But I don't have any mod points.

      So I'm just going to leave this oddly meta post about liking what you just said.

  14. Social networking, such a mystery. by Tarantulas · · Score: 2

    They don't understand it, so it must be witchcraft. Here's a solution. To get rid of the evil demons that inhabit your iPhone, simply bury it at a crossroads at midnight during a full moon. Problem solved.

  15. Like == Follow by JustinKSU · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I "Like" all my representatives regardless of party and whether or not I agree with them. In essence what I want to do is "follow" them so I can keep tabs on what my representative's PR machine is pumping out.

  16. Proof is in the reporting of what was and now is by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Since Obama is carrying over, and mostly doubling down on, most Bush policies (use of drones, attacking Libya for freedom, warrantless wiretapping, funneling government money to large corporations, TSA/Homeland Security) yet receives none of the same negative coverage of same that Bush received - I fail to see how you can possibly make the case that Obama's negative coverage is anywhere near what a Republican would receive.

    Romney cannot carry forward the same policies without a ton a negative press. Obama can. That has been proven to us over four years now.

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  17. Re:Perfect Match by mcgrew · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm sure this is futile, since you sound like either an Obama hater, a Romney lover, or a tea partier, but here we go:

    a man who claimed to hate Gitmo yet leaves it open

    He tried to close it, Congress wouldn't let him.

    claimed to hate war yet doubles down on drone strikes and issues a surge in Afghanistan

    The Iraq war (which he opposed) is over, Afghanistan is winding down because the surge worked and we'll be out of there in two years.

    claims to hate Wall Street while bailing out (and taking huge donations from) giant Wall Street banks

    Rubbish, if he hadn't done that we'd be in a depression so bad it would have made the Great Depression look like boom times.

    claims to hate the oil industry while taking huge donations from BP before the oil spill.

    Any politician wil take any money offered. If Koch offered Obama money he'd take it, if Michael Moore offered Romney money, he'd take it just as quickly.

    On the other hand, during the Republican debates Romney said he wants Roe v Wade overturned, two nights ago said he wouldn't outlaw abortion.

    I do agree with you on one thing: The press does not care at all what Democrats will do, and rationalize any action they take. However, the same goes for Republicans. The "liberal media" is a myth; ABC only looks liberal compared to Fox or Rush, who are slightly to the right of Mussolini.

    At least when you vote Republican you know the press will do their damnedest to catch them out in something

    That's pure laziness; the Republicans make it easy.

  18. Re:Perfect Match by ArcherB · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You don't understand. When Romney changes a position, it's called "flip flopping".

    When Obama changes a position, it's called "evolving".

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  19. Because American "liberals" are closer to the conservatives in most other countries. There is no left-wing in the US anymore, only 50 shades of right.

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    1. Re:Easy by mvdwege · · Score: 2

      They're right-wing. At best they're comparable to slightly less-conservative centrists in Europe.

      But something as roughly 30% Social Democrats as in the EU? There is nothing like that in the US political landscape. And that's with the Left here in Europe complaining that the Social Democrat parties have shifted too much to the right.

      Yes, the US is '50 shades of right', no messing.

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  20. Re:Perfect Match by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He tried to close it, Congress wouldn't let him.

    Congress kicked and screamed. They, at one point, threatened to withhold funding for moving the prisoners (which would have meant a group of people currently charged with no actual crimes whatsoever would have had to be released and sent back to their home countries. Oh boo-hoo.)

    But Obama made the decision to keep it open, and was the only one with executive authority to do so.

    Let's be straight here. The GP was right on the money. Any liberal who votes for Obama without holding their nose at this election is a fucking tool.

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  21. Re:Proof is in the reporting of what was and now i by Jeng · · Score: 3, Insightful

    mostly doubling down on, most Bush policies (use of drones, attacking Libya for freedom, warrantless wiretapping, funneling government money to large corporations, TSA/Homeland Security)

    The drone strikes was part of his original campaign. He stated that he would strike in Pakistan with them and all the other candidates said they would not. I completely support this.

    Now "attacking Libya for freedom"? Can you explain what you are trying to say here? We are attacking Libya for freedom? That makes no sense. We have no troops in Libya. We are not attacking an abstract idea in Libya.

    Warrantless wiretapping, yes I would like to see this stopped.

    funneling government money to large corporations

    You do realize that the Republicans are the greatest the supporters of corporate welfare? The amount this is happening under Obama vs Bush is laughable. It's like complaining about a couple drops of water in the desert vs being on the bottom of the ocean.

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  22. Re:Perfect Match by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Obama made concrete promises and failed to live up to them, Romney promises something different every time he opens his mouth.

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  23. It's the terminology, stupid. by mosb1000 · · Score: 2

    "Like" in Facebook is used to indicate interest, as in "I'd like to see more stuff like this." So when someone says something like:

    “I’ve deleted 5 people, this is the only place that I have any intolerance. If you like that dude, even just on the Internet, we are enemies. No apologies.”

    It's basically a misunderstanding of what Facebook means when someone says they like something. This is a problem, because it's not easily resolved. You could add a "show me more stories like this" button, but that's not an action word so it's more confusing and doesn't evoke the same emotional response. You could add a "dislike" button, but then you have the question of how you interpret the dislike. Do you show them more things like that assuming they like to dislike it, or do you show them fewer assuming that they dislike disliking it.

    Does anyone else have any ideas about how you can resolve this and still retain an intuitive, uncluttered interface that people would want to use?

  24. Re:Perfect Match by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

    You speak as though changing your opinion is something that happens in isolation. A politician changing his opinions because he becomes better informed about an issue, or because the realities of the situation change, is laudable. A politician changing opinions because he thinks the new stand will make him more popular this week is not. The media (on both sides) tries hard to portray them as equivalent, but they are not. In a representative democracy, you elect someone to make the decisions that you would make if you were to spend the time studying the issues. Someone who changes their mind when they become better informed will continue making the same decisions that you'd want made. Someone who panders to the electorate may decide after the election that a different subset is easier to sway than you and stop representing you.

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  25. Re:Perfect Match by GameboyRMH · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You've been intentionally avoiding them. Tax plans, abortion, health care, opinions on the "47%," it takes a thick layer of willful ignorance or perhaps a carefully filtered media intake to not notice what he's doing.

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  26. Re:Perfect Match by Raenex · · Score: 3, Informative

    http://mittromneysflipflops.com/

    I took a quick perusal and there was a pretty good list. Anybody who doesn't think Romney is a serial flip-flopper has their head in the sand.

    Sure, Obama and every politician does to some extent, but Mitt takes the cake.

  27. Re:Proof is in the reporting of what was and now i by Applekid · · Score: 2

    If Romney were elected you bet he WOULD carry forward the same policies without a ton of negative press, just like Obama. Bush Jr. got so much negative press because he was the first to do these awful things, but that cherry is popped now.

    I think the negative lashing out was more about the press being convinced he stole the election, because we didn't spend the next year and a half auditing every hanging chad in the country.

    Of course, with tools like these the framework is being put in place call any election for "the other guy" rigged.

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