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Indian School Textbook Says Meat-Eaters Lie and Commit Sex Crimes
another random user writes with bad news from the BBC for anybody who enjoys a hamburger now and again:
"Meat-eaters 'easily cheat, lie, forget promises and commit sex crimes,' according to a controversial school textbook available in India. New Healthway, a book on hygiene and health aimed at 11 and 12 year-olds, is printed by one of India's leading publishers. 'This is poisonous for children,' Janaki Rajan of the Faculty of Education at Jamia Millia University in Delhi told the BBC. 'The government has the power to take action, but they are washing their hands of it,' she said. 'The strongest argument that meat is not essential food is the fact that the Creator of this Universe did not include meat in the original diet for Adam and Eve. He gave them fruits, nuts and vegetables,' reads a chapter entitled Do We Need Flesh Food? The chapter details the 'benefits' of a vegetarian diet and goes on to list 'some of the characteristics' found among non-vegetarians. 'They easily cheat, tell lies, forget promises, they are dishonest and tell bad words, steal, fight and turn to violence and commit sex crimes,' it says."
except for the God and Adam and Eve part.. they don't believe in that shit
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Next time an American school demands their textbooks "teach the controversy" of intelligent design or some other bullshit, we should show them this Indian textbook as an example of how doctoring our textbooks is making us look to the rest of the world.
There's no -1 for "I don't get it."
This is a delicious CARNE ASADA burrito I'm eating right now...
that.
Some meat-eaters easily cheat, lie...
Unfortunately vegetarians do all of the same, only easier and more frequently.
Clearly the Creator omitted meat because he knew Adam and Eve would soon be sinners.
In a country where meat is more or less luxury, is convenient to make the people believe that meat is bad.
Religion: The greatest weapon of mass destruction of all time
and they still can't understand why so many westerners won't take them seriously as engineers, scientists or doctors.
And still the meat-eaters argue.
India be trollin' the ol' video archive, I see...
An enigma, wrapped in a riddle, shrouded in bacon and cheese
But what it doesn't say is that vegetarians do too.
Nothing they say is untrue. Of course the exact same could be said for Vegitarians, Vegans and any other group of people identified soley by their diet choices.
and don't even get me started on Breatharians.....
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That was supposed to go in the section on politicians.
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just wait for help desk India to come to the meat packing plat.
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look out world, its friday night and i just had me a T-bone steak!
Since when do Christians, Jews or Muslims abstain from meat? Or teach that meat makes you wicked? Hindus and Buddhists don't believe in Adam & Eve. I'd really like to know who is backing this textbook.
What has ever caused more human suffering than religion?
Mitt Romney must eat be eating horse and elephant daily.
I chose to do this two years ago after reading a 20 year investigative study on slaughterhouses, factory farms, FDA, etc. (the book is called Slaughterhouse) and after watching the documentary called "Earthlings". I'm not interested in finding "humane farmers", I chose to go vegetarian. People told me that I'd have pale skin, would be sick all the time, low energy, wouldn't have enough this or that, etc. What happened? For the first time in my life I haven't had seasonal allergies, a cold, a flu or been sick since changing my diet. Also for years I had skin problems around my nose, and two doctors told me to wear sunscreen and moisturizing cream to fix it. I didn't do either, I just changed my diet and the skin returned to normal. I've maintained my weight and on most days have high energy levels. I don't credit my previous health problems to meat, I credit it to not eating healthy. When I became a vegetarian I had to learn to cook again (new recipes) and focused on a healthier diet. So, my point is that there is nothing wrong with a vegetarian diet. If you study nutrition and make sure you get everything your body needs, you can live a totally healthy normal life.
I don't expect others to eat differently while dining with me, and don't try to convert them to be a vegetarian. Meat eaters shouldn't try to convince us to go back to eating meat either.
And yes the Indian textbook from the article is poison for the mind. Pure propaganda. Not unlike American mainstream media/Ministry of Truth.
since this is in india, they probably mean "muslims"
For years we were told that milk would make us strong. Milk is still served as the sole diary, even though many kids are intolerant of it. For a time yogurt was served instead of milk. Cheese is also good, but children are taught processed cheese is just like real cheese.
There is a fight against distinguishing the various forms of sugars, but children are taught that animal protein is superior to vegetable protien, and that a McDonalds hambuger is a superior meal to quinoe pilaf, or that the cheap sausage that so many kids eat is superior to a bowl of oatmeal with an egg.
Even worse, schools and the media hardly every talk about the difference between a complex and simple carbohydrate. Most will equate eating candy with eating a whole grain. Somehow a baked potato is inferior to a barbqued ribs with the sauce full of simple carbohydrate.
I am sure this is going to make all those indignant meat eaters faint from the nerve of those people who disagree with them, but get over it. Not everyone believes that meat is neccesary, and much of the world is very healthy with minimum or no meat. Not all economies are built on selling junk to kids. Some economies fund health care fully, so there is no advantage to making people sick so that MBAs can get rich by taking a cut of inflated health care costs.
And all countries tell little white lies to push people in the direction they want them to go. Like kissing causes pregnancy. Or condoms don't protect against STDs. Or meat is needed to be healthy. Or eating the occasional junk, or smoking, or anyother of silly things, is going to cause no harm.
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I was about to go on a rant about how they wouldn't even be called meat eaters in India. But it's right there in the summary. Non-vegetarians.
Meat is usually called non-veg in India or at least the small parts of it that I have lived in.
'We are wise, And the law of the LORD is with us'? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes Has made it into a lie. Nuff Said.....
Say, wasn't Hitler a vegetarian? Well, I guess he wasn't known for telling bad words at least.
... the textbook was written by a meat eater.
Correlation is not causation!
I like steak, burgers, chicken, and bacon.
The best thing about meat eaters over veggies is.... They don't spend a portion of their life TELLING PEOPLE WHAT THEY SHOULD BE EATING!
Bad like the religious nuts...
Textbook writers easily cheat, tell lies, forget promises, they are dishonest and tell bad words, steal, fight and turn to violence and commit sex crimes.
Bad textbook writers.
"I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to people all day long and I assume they deserve it." : Dogbert
What rubbish. I love meat and my crimes have nothing to do with sex...
"another random user writes with bad news from the BBC for anybody who enjoys a hamburger now and again:" Read "McDonald's opens vegetarian-only restaurant" (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19479013) and be enlightened! Seriously, the vegetarians that get "preachy" against the evils of meat-eating are either zealots or the culinary equivalent of ex-smokers. Many people would probably class me as a vegetarian, even if I eat eggs and cheese. I also don't mind eating bacan-flavored junk food. It's simply not worth it to be fussy about somebody trying to poison me by sneaking in that milligram of lard.
Because it means that the US hasn't cornered the market on stupidity, or even the market slice of telling lies in school textbooks.
Who else would lie like that?
Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
because they don't bleed. Seriously. I asked my local health food guru if I should take an Iron supplement, and she looked at me like I had lobsters coming out of my ears. As for Women, just about all bread is fortified, and if all else fails take a supplement.
Most vegetarians and vegans that see huge health gains though aren't seeing them because of meat, they're seeing them because going vegetarian forces them to clean up their diet. It's the same reason the Akin's diet works. You cut out a tonne of junk food. In Vegan's case it's usually fast food. That's literally why I went vegetarian -> It' keeps me away from Fast Food hamburgers, which I can eat and eat and eat.
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... is my hamburger.
Who else would lie like that?
... and I am a KNIGHT.
Knights never lie, and knaves always lie!
Problem is, do you know where those vitamins vegetarians have to eat (be it in bread or pill form) come from? Hint: They don't throw all the cow blood away.
"This is poisonous for children," Janaki Rajan of the Faculty of Education at Jamia Millia University in Delhi told the BBC.
"The government has the power to take action, but they are washing their hands of it," she said.
And that's the appropriate solution. Instead of getting upset that there's an offensive book out there, the activists should be using this as an opportunity to find out where the nutcases are in their educational system. It's bigotry bait.
...who eat vegitarians....mmmmmmmm
Given some of the dumb educational related 'ideas' coming out of the midwest US, I read that as 'Indiana'...
Gotta havit Meat.
Because food eats plants .
That statement is 100% true. Misleading, but true.
Life feeds on life. Blame "God" and not the generalist lifeforms who evolved to eat meat and accept life for the way it is rather than some idealistic wonderland that couldn't even possibly exist.
Therein lies the problem. One Abrahamic monotheism uses sharp steel hardware to sell its message and now has a near monopoly on the hydrocarbon supply on this planet. Another Abrahamic monotheism has made it difficult to join since that community understands that it also includes a ticket to flee to well-developing state in SW Asia with all sorts of benefits for said individuals. The third Abrahamic monotheism always winds up corrupting its doctrines to gain popularity with the audience and so this monotheism winds up attacking the second monotheism under the rubric of supersessionism. It is not to mention that these sorts either get speared or immolated in motor vehicles. These go so far as to proclaim "pork consumption salvation for both initiation and maintenance." Meanwhile the first monotheism claim to have superseded both the second and the third and is quite willing to use sharp steel hardware as well as nitrated organic compounds to assist in said solicitation.
The Nasrani may take exception as they do retain a number of Jewish practices [grin].
Since it is well established in modern times that abstaining from meat is pervasively associated with the worship of foreign deities, I would consider that eating (kosher) meat a "fence" (Rabbinic tradition cf. Hillel:"be deliberate in judgment, build fences around the Torah, and raise up many disciples") against idolatry.
Although there is no lack of vegetarians in China, pork, chicken, and seafood are all basic traditional parts of their cuisine. If a textbook is going to denigrate a rival by saying
This could be as much or more about China, as opposed to the rest of the world.
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At least it's not chicken...
meat eaters do do all of those things (and worse) it's just that so do non-meat eaters.
"They easily cheat, tell lies, forget promises, they are dishonest and tell bad words, steal, fight and turn to violence and commit sex crimes."
WHAT? FUCK YOU!! I will kill you and take everything you fucking own!! First I will beat you senseless and rape the shit out of you!!! ...oh, wait. I forgot I promised not to do all those things. Sorry, I lied!
so beware India.
Steve Jobs was a Vegan and lied all the time. One of his many lies; he had a child out of wedlock and said it wasn't his!
But is the converse true? Do NON-meat-eaters always tell the truth and NEVER commit sex crimes?
This is good news for meat eaters.
Given that one earth is not enough to raise cattle for 7 billions of meat-eaters, the one that want to keep eating meat should warmly welcome such propaganda. Anything that increase the amount of veggies increase the chances that non-veggies can get meat.
It's just that they left out the bit about vegetarians being the same.
Oh, and as for the comments on Inuits (Eskimos), if their population is large enough no doubt there are at least a few who are lazy, sluggish, and short-lived.
Now, as for because they live on "a diet largely of meat", with that I'm calling on them to put up peer-reviewed, reproducible, credible academic research to back it up or shut the bleep up.
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Seriously, I agree with the BBC, crap like this has no place in a textbook, except perhaps in a textbook on how to use propaganda.
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This is why Dave had a hard time finishing school.
It's all true! Unless you're suggesting vegans don't lie/cheat/whatever.... vegans are whores... it's the only reason anyone puts up with their shit.
Cheat, lie, forget promises, then what?
Why, without your clothes, you're naked, Miss Dudley!
Why you are surprised? 2 weeks ago, one guy from England told me that in Facebook and unfriend me when I told him that I am not vegetarian. Maybe the next level in bulling will be "carnivores vs. vegetarian".
Meat eaters deceive the animals by treating them well only to suddenly turn on them and murdering them. (Lie/cheat) They also deceive their children by not slaughtering the animal in front of their children, children may not know they are being fed a corpse. How can one 'trust' a person who would consider the material that another person is made out of, as 'food'? The only thing to trust, is that if they are hungry YOU may be on the menu.
Meat eaters are under the influence of adrenal-chrome (fear chemical excreted by sentient beings from traumatic experiences, and have more fluctuations of the mind or 'passions'. Meat is unhealthy and unneeded by human beings.
The text book did not give good reasons for their statements.
Most likely the author of the book is a Christian since David is not Hindu name and I guess he is from the same church that was involved in Hotel Rwanda.
Indians are mostly vegetarian because major religions in India (Hindu and Jain) reject meat. They reject meat not because of health reasons but because of moral/ethical reason of violence involved in producing meat.
Other fact to note is that in India traditionally, the more elite one is, the less likely that he will consume meat so you will see the class of super rich like Mittals and Ambanis are predominantly vegetarians.
Meat eaters do lie and commit sex crimes. So do some vegetarians I know.
But so do vegetarians.
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huh?
easily cheat, tell lies, forget promises, they are dishonest and tell bad words, steal, fight and turn to violence and commit sex crimes
Yes we do all that in here in the cold North easily. We also drink a lot. That might have something to do with it. Be happy for your nutritious plants grow in your soil which has not suffered an ice age. The real challenge, my Southern bothers and sisters, is to eat meat to survive, drink hard liqueur moderately to "stay warm" and still integrate with Brahman, gain Enlightenment, be Saved(tm), or be a good citizen.
They do. And so do people who don't eat meat.
First it was 'Astrology is a science', and now *this*?!
What is wrong with my country, and how do I fix it?
There are some very interesting studies regarding the links between meat consumption, testosterone levels, and related impacts. Most point to zinc shortages in one's diet, and the corrected testosterone levels incurred when said shortages are addressed by increased meat consumption. Not to say, especially as I happen to be a male, that increased testosterone levels will guarantee lying, cheating, and stealing. There does, however, seem to be a (single-sample-point, empirically-backed, possibly-placebo) link between consumption of multiple medium-cooked 2/3-lb burgers from The Counter and one's libido over subsequent days. (Not to spam a business link, but it's by far the tastiest way to get a testosterone boost I know of.)
I had a blind cat once, adopted from a shelter. The previous abuser was one of those hippies who believe you can live on vegetables. Humans can do it with a strict diet (read: add lots of additives to replace meat) but cats can't, they are meat eaters and need it to be healthy.
http://www.essentialvegetarian.com/2007/07/08/7-reasons-why-your-cat-cannot-be-vegetarian/
Eatings less meat in the west wouldn't be a bad thing but vegans are so obsessed with their faith they ignore science and common sense. Look at your cat, does it look like a plant eater?
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well, its true. i know meat eaters that commit crimes, say bad words and have cheated.
It's true. They just neglected to point out that so do vegetarians.... or is India a violence free, caste-free , woman loving egalitarian paradise of people-not-exploiting-people these days?
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/03/world/asia/gujarat-riot-trials-may-alter-indias-cycle-of-violence.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
OK then.
Just teach them that correlation doesn't imply causation.
People like these always think they're inherently reasonable and everyone else are inherently wrong. There is no reasoning with them. The only thing you can do is beat them. Prove your point to the voters, people with your type of mind need to take over school boards.
Anything less just won't cut it.
Just shut the fuck up and pass me Beef Vindaloo, Butter Chicken, Lamb Korma. Vegetarian? I guess I'll have some plant with that. Basmati rice please. And don't forget the fucking coke. It's not Indian without a Coke okay? *BELCH*
The governmeant has the power to be taking action. But they are being washing hands of it. Oh no this is very bad! Very very bad!
... obligatory Nazism reference ...
Do you know that Hitler was a vegetarian?
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Thats exactly what not so few christians would claim about atheists.
Its funny how these crimes are (according to public opinion) always commited by people from the religious minority.
> They easily cheat, tell lies, forget promises, they are dishonest and tell bad words, steal, fight and turn to violence and commit sex crimes.
That's true.
But it's also true for vegetarians. It's called 'being human'.
Technically ... that statement is correct. The book just fails to mention that those characteristics are common among ALL humans, including vegetarians. Even the sex crimes bit ... because what is a crime varies by culture.
I'm surprised nobody's pointed out yet that the comment "...'[meat eaters] easily cheat, tell lies, forget promises, they are dishonest and tell bad words, steal, fight and turn to violence and commit sex crimes,'..is in fact, true.
Meat eaters do all those things. Sadly, they do them rather readily.
Of course so do vegetarians, but that doesn't change the accuracy of the basic point.
One could also say that "meat eaters are more likely to do these things" accurately. Take a random sample of the population, and poll which cheat, tell lies, etc. By FAR most of them will be people that have eaten meat. Of course, this has everything to do with the fact that the huge majority of the sample aren't vegetarians, but again, the basic statement reviewed factually is true.
(In case anyone missed it, the *implication* of the statement - that meat eaters do this more readily than vegetarians - I'd guess is probably absurd. Then again, even though I'm a cheerful, unrepentant meat eater myself, I'd posit that it might be true; in nature carnivores are naturally more aggressive, (generally) selfish, opportunistic creatures. Herbivores seem to be more docile, group oriented, and passive. Who's to say that diet doesn't have an impact on this? All the vegetarians I know are relatively pale, docile people. Even the few that are militant vegans tend to be more passive-aggressive and whiny than in-your-face. The people I know that like to go to Fogo de Chao are mostly aggressive, brash type-A's. So without some data, it's all just anecdotes. This text book seems to be propagandistic, of course, but I think it's something that would be interesting to really study.)
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He's apparently never googled "Orissa riots".
Just one example of many. Racism takes many forms, and the racist can't hold it in.
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How about riots in Gujarat, done by meat eaters? There are business communities in India. I suppose they are famous that they dont cheat Ha. This is just propaganda
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Are they implicating vegans are incapable of lying and having sex? That I'd agree.
And that's where we outsource western jobs to, seriously.
This is a story from the BBC concerning children.
I don't think, given the current situation, that the BBC are the best judges of what children need, do you?
Operation Guillotine is in effect.
Is how man grew his brain to become what we are today. If they want to go backwards, why bother to stop them from wanting to de-evolve?
Future generations of eat eating mankind will be able to use their land as the leaf eaters die out on their own.
( sure you can over do it with meat as everything must be consumed in proper amounts, but saying meat is 'bad' as they are is just ludicrous )
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So do non-meat-eaters. Here's the logical proof:
* All (capable of lying) humans lie at one time or another.
* Most humans commit sex crimes (although there are doubtless exceptions, but bear in mind sex crime is defined by law, not nature).
* Humans who eat/do not eat meat therefore are certain to lie, and likely to commit sex crimes.
* Many humans eat meat or do not eat meat, enough so that the statistical probability that there are no meat-eating or vegetarian humans who commit sex crimes is effectively zero (zero to enough digits that you'd get tired of counting them before encountering the first non-zero digit).
Therefore, it is a logical certainty that all meat eating humans capable of lying lie, and a statistical certainty that at least some of them commit sex crimes. The same is true for non-meat eating humans.
So what's all the fuss about? Why shouldn't a textbook make true statements?
Oh, you mean the implication that non-meat eating humans do not? That's why assume makes an ass outa u and me. If it doesn't clearly state it, don't assume it to be true.
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The irony is that text book is explicit proof that vegetarians do exactly the things they accuse the meat eaters of doing. This is like the kettle calling the pot black.
Okay the people behind this book clearly have no idea what they are doing and will be the first up against the wall when the revolution comes. That being said I have a militant veggie friend who I would love to give this book to for Christmas. Anyone have a pdf :)
Protein deficiency in rural India being almost as bad as in the poorest regions of Africa (kwashiorkor, etc), this textbook is highly irresponsible. It should be doing the opposite, in terms of education. The meat-haters in the general population, just make the whole industry suffer and cause problems in availability of meat and protein to people who need it the most.
Yeah, and I even overheard them talking, they said you guys are a bunch of jerks!
...exactly like Texas, where we require textbook publishers to present as fact all kinds of religious nonsense and revisionist bullshit. Nice to see that other parts of the world are headed back to The Dark Ages too. I don't feel so alone now..
Vegeterain Indians are prominent liars.
Or indirect, depending on how you salt.
OK, I know that meat is bad for the planet and bad for the body, but why does it feel good to eat it ? There must be a logical fact that keeps the meat tasty for the people. The gut and the brain know better. They might even send cravings to the consciousness that asks for nutrients that are in the meat. As same as the cravings for the sweet stuff.
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I only eat vegans. Much leaner than the average American.
It safe to assume that its just another flamebait BBC report not to be taken seriously. While the publisher (S Chand) is certainly of some repute in this country, it isn't known if this textbook has actually been adopted by any school.A textbook cannot be formally adopted by any school unless it gets approved by government institutions in charge of secondary education like NCERT or CBSE. This furore might have made sense if this textbook was being actually taught to kids; which isn't the case here.
It sounds like they based their text on sound scientific publications... (that have since been shown to be fraudulent) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diederik_Stapel#Meat_eaters_more_selfish_than_vegetarians
Let's put the genes back in Genesis.
Well many of the statements aren't false statements. "They [meat-eaters] easily cheat, tell lies, forget promises, they are dishonest and tell bad words, steal, fight and turn to violence and commit sex crimes" So all we get is some humans with some human qualities deemed "bad" also eat meat. (which one can argue is "bad" for many other reaons) They also have children, fart, pick their noses cry, breath oxygen, eventually die, have 2 legs, etc. The statement isn't attributing these characteristics to the act of eating meat. More an example of shoddy writing and use of generalizations and implications. An example of low quality of texts books, and them problems at arise when people have poor reader comprehension and don't know the correct definitions/uses of words and sentence structure, and therefore may misinterpret or be misled.. I could just as easily say the right-handed people form tough-nit social groups, don't wash their hands as often as they should, and have regrets about past actions.
I don't see the problem here. Yes, meat eaters do all those things. The problem is only that vegans and vegetarians do those things too. As a vegan, i can attest to cheating, lying, and breaking promises easily from time to time.
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It looks like the author of the textbook belongs to the religious sect "Seventh Day Adventist" and was trying to push their views through the textbook.
http://www.schandgroup.com/PressRelease.asp
As written the statement that 'Meat-eaters easily cheat, lie, forget promises and commit sex crimes' is quite true. The implication that people who don't eat meat behave differently is false.
This is the nutcase Hindu fundamentalist equivalent of 'intelligent design' that they use to poison their children's minds to create the next generation of nutcase fundamentalists. People deride Islam but Hinduism is far more toxic, with its caste system keeping otherwise socially productive people down, their inability to handle cows, monkeys, or rats in any sensible way because they think they are gods, and the rampant poverty caused by their broken social structures.
Vegitarian's don't commit violent crime be cause there all such skinny little wimp's?
http://www.schandgroup.com/PressRelease.asp
Blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda............
The content & views expressed in that book are solely the views of the author, David S. Poddar, Former Teacher, Principal and Education Director, Seventh-day Adventist, Hosur, Tamil Nadu. As mentioned earlier, we are discontinuing this title with immediate effect and the content therein would also be put up with the author. We categorically express that there was no intention whatsoever to hurt the sentiments of any individual or group.
Did Hitler like fish sticks?
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