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Indian School Textbook Says Meat-Eaters Lie and Commit Sex Crimes
another random user writes with bad news from the BBC for anybody who enjoys a hamburger now and again:
"Meat-eaters 'easily cheat, lie, forget promises and commit sex crimes,' according to a controversial school textbook available in India. New Healthway, a book on hygiene and health aimed at 11 and 12 year-olds, is printed by one of India's leading publishers. 'This is poisonous for children,' Janaki Rajan of the Faculty of Education at Jamia Millia University in Delhi told the BBC. 'The government has the power to take action, but they are washing their hands of it,' she said. 'The strongest argument that meat is not essential food is the fact that the Creator of this Universe did not include meat in the original diet for Adam and Eve. He gave them fruits, nuts and vegetables,' reads a chapter entitled Do We Need Flesh Food? The chapter details the 'benefits' of a vegetarian diet and goes on to list 'some of the characteristics' found among non-vegetarians. 'They easily cheat, tell lies, forget promises, they are dishonest and tell bad words, steal, fight and turn to violence and commit sex crimes,' it says."
except for the God and Adam and Eve part.. they don't believe in that shit
Next time an American school demands their textbooks "teach the controversy" of intelligent design or some other bullshit, we should show them this Indian textbook as an example of how doctoring our textbooks is making us look to the rest of the world.
There's no -1 for "I don't get it."
In a country where meat is more or less luxury, is convenient to make the people believe that meat is bad.
Religion: The greatest weapon of mass destruction of all time
According to this Indian textbook I just read, you must have stolen that burrito and now you're lying about how good it tastes.
There's no -1 for "I don't get it."
India be trollin' the ol' video archive, I see...
An enigma, wrapped in a riddle, shrouded in bacon and cheese
and don't even get me started on Breatharians.....
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That was supposed to go in the section on politicians.
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just wait for help desk India to come to the meat packing plat.
I want to touch you - you're leading me on - I know it.
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Since when do Christians, Jews or Muslims abstain from meat? Or teach that meat makes you wicked? Hindus and Buddhists don't believe in Adam & Eve. I'd really like to know who is backing this textbook.
What has ever caused more human suffering than religion?
since this is in india, they probably mean "muslims"
I'd say any group of people larger than a couple dozen, with pretty much any qualifiers.
Wow, sent an e-mail as suggested when clicking on "use classic" banner, and got a fast response that addressed my msg
I was about to go on a rant about how they wouldn't even be called meat eaters in India. But it's right there in the summary. Non-vegetarians.
Meat is usually called non-veg in India or at least the small parts of it that I have lived in.
All your base are belong to us.
Hitler was a pretty notorious vegan. I wonder if the Indian books mention him much. GODWIN!!!
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'We are wise, And the law of the LORD is with us'? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes Has made it into a lie. Nuff Said.....
Is that before or after he cheats on his wife with that burrito? We'd all be vegetarians if meat wasn't so tasty. I understand India's population is a tad high and a vegetarian diet would make it easier to feed everyone, but blatantly lying to children won't gain any confidence with the government. They need to level with people and explain the benefits of not eating meat if that's their goal.
WHOOSH
... the textbook was written by a meat eater.
Correlation is not causation!
You're eventually going to develop an iron, calcium and B12 deficiency. Iron deficiency can lead to blood anemia, stomach ulcers, vomiting, and nausea. Calcium deficiency can lead to osteoporosis. And, lack of sufficient B12 / B-complex can eventually lead to death. You can take pills but they're never as effective or retentive as the real thing. What you really should do is on rare occasion break your diet, everything in moderation.
Textbook writers easily cheat, tell lies, forget promises, they are dishonest and tell bad words, steal, fight and turn to violence and commit sex crimes.
Bad textbook writers.
"I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to people all day long and I assume they deserve it." : Dogbert
Of course they're a tad high. Some of the best shit in the world comes from India. Oh. You mean ... never mind..
much of the world is very healthy with minimum or no meat. Not all economies are built on selling junk to kids.
Those are two very different things, but you imply that meat and junk food are equivalent. You also imply that bigotry against an idea (like eating meat) is the equivalent of a 'little white lie" and that lying to children is OK.
You know how I know you're an idiot?
"I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to people all day long and I assume they deserve it." : Dogbert
"another random user writes with bad news from the BBC for anybody who enjoys a hamburger now and again:" Read "McDonald's opens vegetarian-only restaurant" (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19479013) and be enlightened! Seriously, the vegetarians that get "preachy" against the evils of meat-eating are either zealots or the culinary equivalent of ex-smokers. Many people would probably class me as a vegetarian, even if I eat eggs and cheese. I also don't mind eating bacan-flavored junk food. It's simply not worth it to be fussy about somebody trying to poison me by sneaking in that milligram of lard.
It all depends. When I was in grad school, my research group would do presentations over research papers once a week, with each of us picking a paper that sounded interesting and presenting it to the others on a round robin basis. Most of the time, we were pretty safe in selecting a pool of maybe 10 candidate papers by pulling ones with interesting titles and abstracts. From there, you'd read the intros and conclusions of each to get a good idea of what sort of material they'd cover, then you'd announce which one you were presenting, read through it completely, and put together your presentation.
But there was this one paper that burned me bad. It had a solid intro and solid conclusion with claims of having had great results, so, since I was a trusting sort, I announced my intention to present the paper. Only then did I see that the methodology they had claimed in their intro and conclusion was not the methodology that they had actually followed in their experiments, nor were their results nearly as impressive as they had led the reader to believe. Their claims in the intro and conclusion were on par with, "and so we have definitively found the cure for leukemia," while their middle consisted of something on par with, "we took a biopsy and determined that cancer does indeed exist." And it was supposedly written by two professors at an Indian university (a PhD and a Masters) and another PhD.
That said, a number of my friends in grad school were Indian students, many of whom put me to shame with their intelligence and talent. I also met my share of Indian students in grad school who made me look like a genius as they clearly struggled to keep up with even the simplest of material. But I could say the same for Chinese students, Korean students, and American students who were in my classes as well, some of whom were smarter than me and some of whom were definitely not.
Long story short, I would agree that India needs to do a better job of improving various standards and expectations as it develops further, but to dismiss them entirely is unfair and uncalled for. As with any major nation, there are plenty of people there, some of whom are wonderful, talented, and a pleasure to work with, while there are others of who really are a shame to their country.
No, according to the article, the "carne asada burrito" he is "eating" is actually a euphamism for a depraved sex act!
Because it means that the US hasn't cornered the market on stupidity, or even the market slice of telling lies in school textbooks.
Or add milk and milk products to your diet (I am vegetarian, sue me). Also add dates and nuts to your diet.
Who else would lie like that?
Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
For years we were told that milk would make us strong. Milk is still served as the sole diary, even though many kids are intolerant of it.
Very few white kids are intolerant of milk. Even in China most kids drink milk.
but children are taught that animal protein is superior to vegetable protien
This is absolutely true. Most vegetable proteins are incomplete, and none of them are in the proportions the body wants. The protein from meat, milk, and eggs, is far superior.
McDonalds hambuger is a superior meal to quinoe pilaf
I'd love to see state literature comparing a McDonald's hamburger to quinoa pilaf and then recommending the hamburger. Anyway, meat + bread is fine. The fries and the soda are the larger problem.
Somehow a baked potato is inferior to a barbqued ribs with the sauce full of simple carbohydrate.
A potato has less of the fat & protein necessary to good health. It isn't exactly rich in vitamins. Of course it depends on overall diet, but personally I would much rather have the meat.
much of the world is very healthy with minimum or no meat.
India? Lifespan there is short and everybody dies of heart problems.
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because they don't bleed. Seriously. I asked my local health food guru if I should take an Iron supplement, and she looked at me like I had lobsters coming out of my ears. As for Women, just about all bread is fortified, and if all else fails take a supplement.
Most vegetarians and vegans that see huge health gains though aren't seeing them because of meat, they're seeing them because going vegetarian forces them to clean up their diet. It's the same reason the Akin's diet works. You cut out a tonne of junk food. In Vegan's case it's usually fast food. That's literally why I went vegetarian -> It' keeps me away from Fast Food hamburgers, which I can eat and eat and eat.
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... is my hamburger.
I am a vegetarian, mostly vegan...
I'm glad you're no longer a liar and a sex criminal.
Who else would lie like that?
... and I am a KNIGHT.
Knights never lie, and knaves always lie!
And all countries tell little white lies to push people in the direction they want them to go.
That's why it's sooo important to not have any information contrary to the government doctrines available to the people. Can't have the people be unhappy about the direction they are herded...
Like kissing causes pregnancy.
Yes, in the same way that eating meat causes global warming.
Or condoms don't protect against STDs.
Although condoms are pretty good against AIDS and gonorrhea, they are apparently not very good at stopping HPV and herpes (which can be fairly easily contracted by skin-to-skin or skin-to-genital contact). Of course something is better than nothing, but apparently this is not a well known fut but of course we don't want to scare the people so better to tell the white lie to people that condoms protect you against STDs, so we can all feel empowered.
Or meat is needed to be healthy.
Although a proper sources of B12 and protein are. If you don't have good access to good sources of them (say if you are poor in a 3rd world country), it is likely that the only affordable access to these essential nutrients needed to be healthy is meat.
Or eating the occasional junk, or smoking, or anyother of silly things, is going to cause no harm.
I think you meant that it causes irreparable harm. Just like eating a some meat causes irreparable harm to you and the environment.
Meat Eaters are not human!
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"This is poisonous for children," Janaki Rajan of the Faculty of Education at Jamia Millia University in Delhi told the BBC.
"The government has the power to take action, but they are washing their hands of it," she said.
And that's the appropriate solution. Instead of getting upset that there's an offensive book out there, the activists should be using this as an opportunity to find out where the nutcases are in their educational system. It's bigotry bait.
There's some question as to whether he was really vegetarian or not. It might have been partly propaganda and in reality he occasionally ate meat, but I don't know for sure.
However, characterising people by their diet choices is a curious way of dividing up the population. It would make more sense to split people up according to their professions; do politicians, estate agents and salesmen lie more than everyone else?
I practise a pescetarian diet myself, but that doesn't make me any different to a carnivore or a vegan or any other type of diet.
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Oh man, where to begin with a post like this...
First of all, it has been my experience that, as ESL speakers, Indians are among the most fluent in the world. It seems to me that they take great care to learn and use English well, unlike the stumbling parody you provided. No doubt a consequence of British colonialism, but perhaps a happy one.
Second, it is my opinion that the English language is very much enriched by hearing it spoken in so many fascinating accents. Let's face it: every one of us has an accent that sounds "funny" to more than one other culture in the world. We can giggle now and then about how weird we sound to each other, but let's keep it at a good-natured level.
Third, learning a second language is difficult. Those who speak something other than English as a second language are all-too-well aware of the challenge. Just imagine how you would sound trying to order a meal in a foreign land. Probably much worse than the example you gave. And yet you just might find that the server is pleased at your effort.
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Given some of the dumb educational related 'ideas' coming out of the midwest US, I read that as 'Indiana'...
Do the needful.
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I just sent you an instant message to tell you about the e-mail I sent, so that you'd know that I called you, both on your desk phone and cell phone about a request I just submitted 13 seconds ago. Tell me, done when it will be?
I will call your phones again in 30 seconds to let you know about the instant message informing you of the e-mail, regarding the 2 phone calls, so that i may ask yet again why it is not done yet.
Life feeds on life. Blame "God" and not the generalist lifeforms who evolved to eat meat and accept life for the way it is rather than some idealistic wonderland that couldn't even possibly exist.
Oh man, where to begin with a post like this...
First of all, it has been my experience that, as ESL speakers, Indians are among the most fluent in the world. It seems to me that they take great care to learn and use English well, unlike the stumbling parody you provided
Sure, most Indians can speak English pretty well. But if you've never encountered the sort of post the GP was parodying, you must not have been on many programming forums. For instance, here's a fine example of the form:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rubyonrails-talk/PlZOm0qlYMI/discussion
The original author literally *pasted* an interview question and just said "help me in finding solution" in the subject. When a couple people call him on it, he breaks into a semi-coherent string of posts laden with Kannada invective.
Beyond that, if I had a nickel for every "pls give me the codes" post I'd seen, I'd be able to retire...
The government is lying to you. I do not even have to ask what country you are from, because that is irrelevant.
This is because humans lie. You lie to others about how their baby looks. Darn, you lie to yourself how YOUR baby looks.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
Although there is no lack of vegetarians in China, pork, chicken, and seafood are all basic traditional parts of their cuisine. If a textbook is going to denigrate a rival by saying
This could be as much or more about China, as opposed to the rest of the world.
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Hitler is shown in various news reels I've seen myself eating a vegetable-only menu. Me: making Ramsey's recipe for Beef Wellington tonight, as I type this in fact, and suspecting I will enjoy the hell out of it. People murdered by me to date: 0.
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Steve Jobs was a Vegan and lied all the time. One of his many lies; he had a child out of wedlock and said it wasn't his!
you mean 'all your Bouillabaisse are belong to us'.
I think that's what you meant.
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Nope, it's an exception to the rule if you are making a factual historical observation.
Your self-Godwin has been disallowed.
Only in reference to actual Nazis.
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Hitler is shown in various news reels I've seen myself eating a vegetable-only menu. Me: making Ramsey's recipe for Beef Wellington tonight, as I type this in fact, and suspecting I will enjoy the hell out of it. People murdered by me to date: 0.
...but why is your "Beef Wellington" wearing a sock and sneaker...?
This is good news for meat eaters.
Given that one earth is not enough to raise cattle for 7 billions of meat-eaters, the one that want to keep eating meat should warmly welcome such propaganda. Anything that increase the amount of veggies increase the chances that non-veggies can get meat.
It's just that they left out the bit about vegetarians being the same.
Oh, and as for the comments on Inuits (Eskimos), if their population is large enough no doubt there are at least a few who are lazy, sluggish, and short-lived.
Now, as for because they live on "a diet largely of meat", with that I'm calling on them to put up peer-reviewed, reproducible, credible academic research to back it up or shut the bleep up.
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Seriously, I agree with the BBC, crap like this has no place in a textbook, except perhaps in a textbook on how to use propaganda.
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And yet you just might find that the server is pleased at your effort.
Yeah, unless you're speaking Spanish to a Catalunian. That waiter got so angry another member of staff had to serve me.
Somebody mod this up to hilarious.
Most insightful post I've read in a while.
Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
Troll? It's simply the truth. I've noticed that a starling number of people equate intelligence with good memory; it is absurd.
Or maybe they really were intelligent, but I've found that other people's definition of intelligence usually differ from mine.
It's all true! Unless you're suggesting vegans don't lie/cheat/whatever.... vegans are whores... it's the only reason anyone puts up with their shit.
Cheat, lie, forget promises, then what?
Why, without your clothes, you're naked, Miss Dudley!
"White" is a pretty meaningless word. Most people whose ancestors did not hail exclusively from a historical dairy region are at least somewhat lactose intolerant. That's the majority worldwide, it's a minority in the US but it's certainly not an insubstantial minority. It includes many kids that you would probably classify as 'white' visually.
It isnt. A balanced protein from vegetable sources is in no way inferior to animal sources. It may require slightly more planning to achieve, but it isnt hard. Beans and grits or a masa based bread does it easily. And you dont have to make a complete protein in a single meal; it's fine to have the beans at one meal and the corn in a later one, as long as you are getting both regularly there is no problem.
Not a vegetarian, btw. Just know how to eat cheap when I need to.
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First of all, it has been my experience that, as ESL speakers, Indians are among the most fluent in the world. It seems to me that they take great care to learn and use English well, unlike the stumbling parody you provided. No doubt a consequence of British colonialism, but perhaps a happy one.
There's a huge selection bias that the people you're likely to communicate with in English are those who know it well. Only about 12% of Indians are considered English-speaking, I'm not sure if a person like the grandparent would be counted to the 12% or the 88% but there's extremely many of them. There's a lot of non-English colonies doing more, for example here in Norway some 89% are now English-speaking and it's a compulsory subject from the first school year (age 6), by the time you've finished high school you'll have had 1800-2000 hours in your primary language and 700 hours of English. Also we don't generally don't dub English-speaking TV series and movies except for small children and at least in higher education you're expected to read English textbooks. I think you'll find the average Indian is far from the most fluent in the world.
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Taco, not burrito. Taco.
Why, without your clothes, you're naked, Miss Dudley!
The rubber boot was too chewy?
Why, without your clothes, you're naked, Miss Dudley!
Those who speak something other than English as a second language are all-too-well aware of the challenge. Just imagine how you would sound trying to order a meal in a foreign land.
I would sound inexplicably slow and unreasonably loud. Probably mostly in English. I guess it is not inexplicable, I'm American.
Darn, you lie to yourself how YOUR baby looks.
I was the first to recognize that my son looked scary ugly at birth. But he gained some weight and all was well.
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That would be gender-selective, not sex-selective, and not a sex crime in the least bit.
India? Lifespan there is short and everybody dies of heart problems.
That's all the heroic levels of salt, cheap cooking oil and sugar in the food.
Some of the best custard I've ever eaten was served by a group of vegetarian Hare Krishnas, which was unexpected. I found out that just because they don't eat dead cow doesn't mean they don't have milk and eggs.
There are some very interesting studies regarding the links between meat consumption, testosterone levels, and related impacts. Most point to zinc shortages in one's diet, and the corrected testosterone levels incurred when said shortages are addressed by increased meat consumption. Not to say, especially as I happen to be a male, that increased testosterone levels will guarantee lying, cheating, and stealing. There does, however, seem to be a (single-sample-point, empirically-backed, possibly-placebo) link between consumption of multiple medium-cooked 2/3-lb burgers from The Counter and one's libido over subsequent days. (Not to spam a business link, but it's by far the tastiest way to get a testosterone boost I know of.)
What you are describing here is an anecdote. This is not the norm in Catalonia by any means, as your post tries to convey. In fact, it is rather the opposite. Especially, when ~50% of Catalans' mother tongue is Spanish. Foreigners even complain that they find it hard to learn Catalan, because Catalans automatically switch to Spanish for them, assuming it will make communication easier. I really don't get the reason why you felt compelled to post this. Either you know you are lying (because you live here or have been here for long enough to know better) or you had unbelievably bad luck in your visit here (which I find, well, sort of unbelievable).
I had a blind cat once, adopted from a shelter. The previous abuser was one of those hippies who believe you can live on vegetables. Humans can do it with a strict diet (read: add lots of additives to replace meat) but cats can't, they are meat eaters and need it to be healthy.
http://www.essentialvegetarian.com/2007/07/08/7-reasons-why-your-cat-cannot-be-vegetarian/
Eatings less meat in the west wouldn't be a bad thing but vegans are so obsessed with their faith they ignore science and common sense. Look at your cat, does it look like a plant eater?
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"People murdered by me to date: 0."
Probably lying, you are a self-professed meat eater.
It's true. They just neglected to point out that so do vegetarians.... or is India a violence free, caste-free , woman loving egalitarian paradise of people-not-exploiting-people these days?
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/03/world/asia/gujarat-riot-trials-may-alter-indias-cycle-of-violence.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
OK then.
India? Lifespan there is short and everybody dies of heart problems.
Average life span (life expectancy for different countries)
United states: 78.2
India: 64.7
World average: 67.2
So while India has a low life expectancy, it isn't horrible. And you haven't proved that meat eaters in India live longer (on average) than the vegetarians. On the whole, the lower life expectancy might be because of poverty and inferior health care. And saying everyone dies of heart problems seems to be just BS. Citation needed.
"had to pass my nation's medical examinations before earning his license"
Which puts him on level with the worst doctor you've ever encountered or heard of in your nation.
Or even a crime... unless you consider it to be a sex crime by god every time there is a miscarriage.
I am having great laughs at this comment on the internets you guy. Thanks you greatly for the humors and insightful!
Thank you, come again!
If the only way you can accept an assertion is by faith, then you are conceding that it can't be taken on its own merits
... obligatory Nazism reference ...
Do you know that Hitler was a vegetarian?
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Agreed speaking a second language isn't the easiest thing to do, most people will make some errors.
However here is a page i found recently.
http://plc-course.com/Sample-PLC-projects/plc-ladder-logic-simulator.html
Take a look at the comments, and tell me there is no basis for the grand parents stereotype.
it's not the grammar, so much as the tone and the arrogance of the comments.
The page provides a fairly basic tool to construct ladder logic the people commentating seem to think they can now get the page author to provide solutions to their individual problems.
Almost like you putting up a sign saying "here is a hammer you can take away and use". Random passers then approach you and say "build me a free house now", (because your time and knowledge is obviously worth nothing as you give tools away for free) and expecting that you will do it.
As an aside, I'm still looking for a graphical tool for putting together ladder logic on Linux or Android. Android has a few tools for programming and monitoring an actual PLC. I'm just looking for a tool to draw circuits instead of using a pencil and paper. A method for testing the design would be a welcome bonus. I would be surprised if no one has written such a tool already.
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Thats exactly what not so few christians would claim about atheists.
Its funny how these crimes are (according to public opinion) always commited by people from the religious minority.
When I visited Barcelona, I found that some folks would respond to my Spanish with Catalan, or even English. Nobody appeared offended, however. (People there were generally pretty nice, I thought.)
In any case, signs in Catalan are dead easy to decode if you read Spanish, and if you speak Spanish reasonably well, you should also be able to get the gist of spoken Catalan. (And no, I am not claiming Catalan is merely a dialect or anything like that. I've had similar experiences with the local languages in Portugal and Italy.)
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That could actually form the basis of a pretty good presentation, provided your lecturer doesn't mind you doing it as a meta-presentation:
"On the importance of reading research papers properly"
I'm Scottish and worked in Austin TX for a couple of years. We had people there thought we were Austrian. Something to do with the fast monotonous way us Scots speak. BTW I loved the boy in "Brave" with the Doric speech...then again I could understand what he was saying (well most of it)
I'm surprised nobody's pointed out yet that the comment "...'[meat eaters] easily cheat, tell lies, forget promises, they are dishonest and tell bad words, steal, fight and turn to violence and commit sex crimes,'..is in fact, true.
Meat eaters do all those things. Sadly, they do them rather readily.
Of course so do vegetarians, but that doesn't change the accuracy of the basic point.
One could also say that "meat eaters are more likely to do these things" accurately. Take a random sample of the population, and poll which cheat, tell lies, etc. By FAR most of them will be people that have eaten meat. Of course, this has everything to do with the fact that the huge majority of the sample aren't vegetarians, but again, the basic statement reviewed factually is true.
(In case anyone missed it, the *implication* of the statement - that meat eaters do this more readily than vegetarians - I'd guess is probably absurd. Then again, even though I'm a cheerful, unrepentant meat eater myself, I'd posit that it might be true; in nature carnivores are naturally more aggressive, (generally) selfish, opportunistic creatures. Herbivores seem to be more docile, group oriented, and passive. Who's to say that diet doesn't have an impact on this? All the vegetarians I know are relatively pale, docile people. Even the few that are militant vegans tend to be more passive-aggressive and whiny than in-your-face. The people I know that like to go to Fogo de Chao are mostly aggressive, brash type-A's. So without some data, it's all just anecdotes. This text book seems to be propagandistic, of course, but I think it's something that would be interesting to really study.)
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He's apparently never googled "Orissa riots".
Just one example of many. Racism takes many forms, and the racist can't hold it in.
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from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_caste to promote https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste_politics_in_India
Casteism
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/india-is-fourth-most-dangerous-place-in-the-world-for-women-poll/1/141639.html
Casteism
Indian men are underdeveloped
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This is a story from the BBC concerning children.
I don't think, given the current situation, that the BBC are the best judges of what children need, do you?
Operation Guillotine is in effect.
Hmmmm...perhaps because there are times when truth-telling would lead to a Darwin Award?
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Is how man grew his brain to become what we are today. If they want to go backwards, why bother to stop them from wanting to de-evolve?
Future generations of eat eating mankind will be able to use their land as the leaf eaters die out on their own.
( sure you can over do it with meat as everything must be consumed in proper amounts, but saying meat is 'bad' as they are is just ludicrous )
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So do non-meat-eaters. Here's the logical proof:
* All (capable of lying) humans lie at one time or another.
* Most humans commit sex crimes (although there are doubtless exceptions, but bear in mind sex crime is defined by law, not nature).
* Humans who eat/do not eat meat therefore are certain to lie, and likely to commit sex crimes.
* Many humans eat meat or do not eat meat, enough so that the statistical probability that there are no meat-eating or vegetarian humans who commit sex crimes is effectively zero (zero to enough digits that you'd get tired of counting them before encountering the first non-zero digit).
Therefore, it is a logical certainty that all meat eating humans capable of lying lie, and a statistical certainty that at least some of them commit sex crimes. The same is true for non-meat eating humans.
So what's all the fuss about? Why shouldn't a textbook make true statements?
Oh, you mean the implication that non-meat eating humans do not? That's why assume makes an ass outa u and me. If it doesn't clearly state it, don't assume it to be true.
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Even when the experts all agree, they may well be mistaken. --- Bertrand Russell.
The irony is that text book is explicit proof that vegetarians do exactly the things they accuse the meat eaters of doing. This is like the kettle calling the pot black.
Protein deficiency in rural India being almost as bad as in the poorest regions of Africa (kwashiorkor, etc), this textbook is highly irresponsible. It should be doing the opposite, in terms of education. The meat-haters in the general population, just make the whole industry suffer and cause problems in availability of meat and protein to people who need it the most.
So what your saying is Norway with just under 5,000,000 people has just under 90% of its population proficient in English (so just under 4.5 million while India with its 1.2 billion people has over 10% proficiency or a population of English speakers over 24 times the total population of Norway.
Numbers can be manipulated to make a lot of meaningless points. For example a random Norwegian may be more likely to be proficient in English, but an English speaker is more likely to be Indian.
The grandparent post refers to Indians as "among" the most fluent - which depending upon your point of view could mean a lot since the link you provided states India has the second largest population of English speakers. While it may not attest to the "average" Indian, I think sheer numbers would qualify the Indian people as being representative among the most fluent.
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...exactly like Texas, where we require textbook publishers to present as fact all kinds of religious nonsense and revisionist bullshit. Nice to see that other parts of the world are headed back to The Dark Ages too. I don't feel so alone now..
Oh man, where to begin with a post like this...
First of all, it has been my experience that, as ESL speakers, Indians are among the most fluent in the world. It seems to me that they take great care to learn and use English well, unlike the stumbling parody you provided. No doubt a consequence of British colonialism, but perhaps a happy one.
Second, it is my opinion that the English language is very much enriched by hearing it spoken in so many fascinating accents. Let's face it: every one of us has an accent that sounds "funny" to more than one other culture in the world. We can giggle now and then about how weird we sound to each other, but let's keep it at a good-natured level.
Third, learning a second language is difficult. Those who speak something other than English as a second language are all-too-well aware of the challenge. Just imagine how you would sound trying to order a meal in a foreign land. Probably much worse than the example you gave. And yet you just might find that the server is pleased at your effort.
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I moved from English Canada to a bilingual but mainly French Quebec Province in 1985 (at age 45). I could have continued in English, but chose to integrate myself into the majority community. The first few things I did were:
a) Block all English Newspapers, Radio, Television in the house.
b) Take two basic French courses.
c) Select easy to read French textbooks and story books and read them
d) Even reprogram the car radio to only tune to French stations (sports, news, music).
e) Buy a set of French grammar books (Bescherelle verb conjugation book and a pocket dictionary)
I kept this up for two years, when one morning, while driving the car and listening to the radio, the French announcer cracked a joke, and I started to laugh. Suddenly I exclaimed "I arrived, I am bilingual". The next day, English was again welcome in the house.
Surprisingly, my English vocabulary was significantly increased because of foreign words and French idioms. My English writing became more precise, my tolerance for all other languages increased substantially, as did my caring for other people.
I am currently fluent in English, French and am getting there with Spanish. Now I read and write all three, as do my kids. My grandchildren studied in French Immersion in public school (French only until grade 4), and are now (grade 5) studying in English with French continuing as a second language. Gym and sports and lunch hours are a mixture of both languages, and the grandkids know the differences. And compared to me at their age, they have richer vocabularies and very good analytical skills. They switch from English to French without stumbling.
We admire the number of doctorates and highly intelligent people from India and European countries. They are no more intelligent than Americans, but because of multilingualism, they are better at thinking out of the box. And where a very few Americans are the Archie Bunkers of the USA, India has it's own.
This is my success story with languages. Disassociate from intolerant people.
Leslie Satenstein Montreal Quebec Canada
OK, I know that meat is bad for the planet and bad for the body, but why does it feel good to eat it ? There must be a logical fact that keeps the meat tasty for the people. The gut and the brain know better. They might even send cravings to the consciousness that asks for nutrients that are in the meat. As same as the cravings for the sweet stuff.
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It safe to assume that its just another flamebait BBC report not to be taken seriously. While the publisher (S Chand) is certainly of some repute in this country, it isn't known if this textbook has actually been adopted by any school.A textbook cannot be formally adopted by any school unless it gets approved by government institutions in charge of secondary education like NCERT or CBSE. This furore might have made sense if this textbook was being actually taught to kids; which isn't the case here.
I visited Catalunia for a week. I had no problems in Barcelona. Outside Barcelona I met two or three people who expressed some degree of distaste at being addressed in Spanish, the aforementioned waiter being the most extreme. Those people preferred to speak English than Spanish even though they were obviously much better at the latter than the former.
So an anecdote, sure. I was counterpointing the 'foreigner's love it when you speak their language' cliché, not trying to do down Catalunia. It's an excellent place, you just have to tune in to local sensibilities like anywhere.
BTW I am British not Spanish.
Fair enough. I still do think you were extremely unlucky. You hit a nerve because Catalans are getting tons of hate from Spaniards lately, since we are getting very serious about seceding from Spain. If anyone is curious, here's a couple vids explaining what's going on from the perspective of an American.
Well many of the statements aren't false statements. "They [meat-eaters] easily cheat, tell lies, forget promises, they are dishonest and tell bad words, steal, fight and turn to violence and commit sex crimes" So all we get is some humans with some human qualities deemed "bad" also eat meat. (which one can argue is "bad" for many other reaons) They also have children, fart, pick their noses cry, breath oxygen, eventually die, have 2 legs, etc. The statement isn't attributing these characteristics to the act of eating meat. More an example of shoddy writing and use of generalizations and implications. An example of low quality of texts books, and them problems at arise when people have poor reader comprehension and don't know the correct definitions/uses of words and sentence structure, and therefore may misinterpret or be misled.. I could just as easily say the right-handed people form tough-nit social groups, don't wash their hands as often as they should, and have regrets about past actions.
I would assume that, based on this, you've never been here for any significant period of time, if at all.
Some speak English very well (if they were educated at an English-medium school or went to school abroad, like my SO, for example), most... do not.
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We admire the number of doctorates and highly intelligent people from India and European countries. They are no more intelligent than Americans, but because of multilingualism, they are better at thinking out of the box.
While I agree for the most part about multilingualism and whatnot (I speak a couple other than English myself) but as far as [Indians specifically] being better at thinking out of the box, I very much have to disagree based on my 4 years (so far) here.
There is very much a mob mentality, and education focuses more on passing the exams with flying colours than gaining actual knowledge and learning how to work stuff out (that is to say, memorizing the answers, getting 98% and having your picture put on a posterboard on the street to show that your parents spent an extra 6,000 rupees on your education this semester and thus the family is doing well).
As it translates to real life, though, I sometimes find it very difficult to find employees who are technically competent enough to meet my personal standards - even after relaxing my standards and I have this trouble both with recent graduates and with "seasoned professionals".
Worse still, if you try and hire graduates from certain schools (xIIT) they have a god complex whereby they feel entitled to certain things (the job, a higher salary etc) without actually being able to demonstrate the basic skills I require. I'll happily pay more if I get what I want but from those guys... they're usually unmanageable anyway so my usual phrase is "get out of my office".
It's nearly at the point where I prefer to take people on who are enthusiastic and train them on the job so that they do things up to the standards I expect.
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So what your saying
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I think sheer numbers would qualify the Indian people as being representative among the most fluent.
"you're"
Numbers can be manipulated to make a lot of meaningless points.
Indeed, numbers can be manipulated, so that when they give rise to blatant nonsense in support of a self-contradictory assertion, no reasonable person would regard them as credible.
In any case, thanks for such a concise demonstration of both. According to your own claim, the Indian population has a 10% proficiency in English. If you want to infer that this makes them among the most fluent then you have an unusual concept of fluency. Will you apply this same concept when choosing a surgeon? First find the largest medical school in the world, then choose at random among the bottom 10% of the graduating class.
Oh, and don't forget to tell us how that works out for you.
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Newsflash: Significant percentage of Indians *are* vegetarians.
The ease of feeding the populace wouldn't come from omnivores becoming herbivores, it would come from fewer inefficiencies (mostly in government, I may be placing the blame wrongly) when it comes to distribution and storage.
Millions of tonnes of grain, crops and staples rot every year in this country instead of making it to those who need it most - some estimates put the wastage at a third of the total produce.
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On land, the biomass of plants is usually greater than the biomass of herbivores, which is greater than the biomass of carnivores. The reason for this is that every chemical process releases energy in the form of heat. So producers can use only part of the energy from the sun to build their bodies; the rest is lost as heat. In the same way, consumers can use only part of the energy in plants to build their own bodies; the rest is lost as heat. Each trophic level passes along only about
10 percent of the energy from the one below. This generalization is called the 10 percent law.
The 10 percent law explains why ecosystems have so few trophic levels and so few individuals at the highest trophic levels. If on a square meter of land, primary consumers store 15,000 kcal/year, herbivores will be able to consume only about 1,500 kcal/year from that meter, and herbivore-eating carnivores will only get 150 kcals, about as many calories as are in a cup of spaghetti. Carnivores must, therefore, roam over large areas to obtain enough to eat.
This is all IAW the laws of thermodynamics...as you go higher up the food chain you consume more of the lower trophic level than you provide to the next stage up the food chain. This is why influencing a community to eat their food at the lowest trophic level makes sense (in a conservation of energy sense, not a flavor sense).
http://tarpley.net/world-crisis-radio/ Coup/counter coup. Call me a troll all you want. The future of you idiots is on the line. Get your heads out of your asses and wake the fuck up.
No, all I was trying to say is that you will find many Indians who are fluent in English and that the numbers as a percentage are irrelevant. The fact that there is an enormous population of Indians proficient in English makes this group relevant.
As for your example of the medical school, my statement would be more akin to picking from the top 10% of the school - not the bottom. The only other way I could take it is that you're implying English proficiency somehow implies this group is less capable. With that said, I would be willing to take a surgeon from a large school that has demonstrated proficiency at surgery even if it is known that there is a large cohort of people at the school without demonstrated proficiency - so long as a marker was set for determining a physicians capabilities. I would also be willing to take a surgeon from a smaller school that has a higher percentage of proficient surgeons so long as that individual was in the top 90% of that class.
Even with this example, you would be stating that you are far more likely to come across a proficient surgeon from the large school than you are to come across one from the smaller school.
When all else fails, try.
Thank you for pointing out a flaw in my argument.
What I should have said was that your claim was akin to choosing at random from the original class population. What are the chances that you will pick a competent surgeon from among them, knowing that only 10% will graduate?
It's still not the case that this population is somehow more competent for being larger. But this seems to be exactly what you're claiming, that from a large school you'll pick any graduate, but from a smaller school only provided it had higher graduating standards.
Don't you see that, no matter how you slice it, the size of the graduating population doesn't matter? It could be a huge class or a tiny one, you're still going to be picking at random. This is the basis of statistical sampling.
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Sorry, its definitely not what I was trying to state - just that absolute numbers matter as much as relative numbers matter - in there own way.
When choosing a surgeon - without the ability to get individual statistics - it would make more sense to go with the one graduating a higher proportion of highly skilled individuals; however, it is possible to get an individuals track record for many types of outcomes because they are part of a public record. In that case, it is easy to identify the 10% minority and may in fact be easier to get one of the surgeons from that school.
In the same sense, it is more likely that you will encounter well written papers by an Indian author IF you read all papers. With this example, I would read English Norwegian papers if I had limited time because they would be higher yield in terms of quality. If I were reading all papers, I would see many high quality papers coming out of India - in part by shear volume. Essentially stating that the good in India is being drowned out by a sea of mediocrity.
On a global scale, the majority of people from India are invisible as an internal colony of the wealthy. The implication of this is that the minority of Indians with a strong education and the ability to perform become representative of the nation and in this manner begin to matter. Its the same reason that China with its emerging middle class matters on a global scale. The much larger poverty stricken group in both countries allow for an exploitable underclass by the rich and middle class.
Being middle class in India means you can afford a staff of people to serve you much as slaves did In the US years ago or immigrants more recently. Its just that in the West, this population has remained low with the exception of nations that had extensive colonies (they just didn't count the large groups of exploited people as citizens). The fact that there are 9 uneducated people for every uneducated one doesn't make the 1/10 educated persons irrelevant.
With this, I think your analogy to a school would become a large university where only 10% are medical students to a medical college where 90% are medical students and perhaps 10% a health related occupation other than physician. From this, it becomes very easy to identify who you would go to for a surgery.
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