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F-16 Engines Stolen From Israeli Air Base
Hugh Pickens writes "Defense Tech reports that several F-16 engines weighing 3,700 pounds each have been stolen from a base in a central part of the country. Israeli officials played down the loss, saying the engines were old or retired and likely stolen for scrap. U.S. security and aviation experts contacted were not so dismissive of the missing engines and said that some countries would see value in having them and taking them apart. 'They're still more modern than anything in the Iranian air force inventory, and they would even be helpful to China in their jet engine development,' says Richard Aboulafia, noting that modern technology engine design remains 'a black art' and that competitors would love the opportunity to study them. This is not the first time jet engines have gone missing. In June 2011, Israel reported the loss of eight F-15 and F-16 fighter engines from a base at Tel Nof near Jerusalem when investigators found the engines had been taken away on large trucks, prompting speculation that the thieves had help from inside the base. In 2009, two F-5 engines were stolen from an airbase in Malaysia, tracked to Argentina and ultimately located in Uruguay."
Those new settlements in the West Bank have to be built out of something.
with gps attached.
I admit, I have the engines. I hooked them up to my Delorean and the Mr. Fusion I've been keeping in my garage.
The Israeli government have discounted earlier reports of Iranian involvement, and are now looking for a Mr. Wile E. Coyote.
The export of military technology to so many different nations, depending on the political wind of the moment, makes this a highly likely occurrence.
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And this is why we shouldn't be giving the Israelis our military technology.
Are you suggesting that socialists like me are arguing, that we should all be given F-16 engines stolen from Israel?
A lot easier and cheaper to do R&D with a working prototype in hand. Big problem for the US. You can always have the best equipment, but you're also always helping your enemies to catch up.
The prime suspects are the Israelis themselves. They'd love to get into the fighter-aircraft business or even the jet engine business. Seriously, this is Israel, the penultimate security state. You don't get stolen military hardware out of Israel unless the government knows about it.
If we're so worried about China getting our jet engine tech (and we probably should be), then why is GE allowed to be in a joint Chinese venture to make engines?
http://www.dailytech.com/GE+Announces+Chinese+Joint+Venture+for+Avionics+on+the+C919/article20681.htm
China and Iran don't need any fancy undercover operations - we'll happily shoot ourselves in the foot if it's called business.
I'd like to know if I'm clicking on Wikileaks before I click, asshole. Most of you might not care, but some people do.
( yeah yeah... should have looked at the url before clicking... I know )
If you hover your mouse pointer over the link it will show you the address. I know you are probably new to the internet so I will give you this one for free. The price jumps next time my friend.
I think there is a difference between the info wikileaks was leaking (info on past events), and technical data for currently used devices. I would say that if wikileaks were to release plans to the engine in the P51 I wouldn't car at all. It is no longer in use, as it has been replaced by newer tech. I'm willing to bet that there is not a substantial difference between the F16 engine, and the F22/F35 ones.
I wonder how long it would take to engineer and build a jet engine with the info available on the internet about jet engines and various design issues, for example, keeping the inlet air at below super-sonic speeds while the aircraft is flying at supersonic speeds. There was an article on /. a while back about that, and I believe it included basic solution.
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Dear Editors:
Thank you for putting a WikiLeaks link in the story summary. I know I could have hovered over it with the mouse cursor and seen where it linked to, but I was expecting an actual news story and not WikiLeaks. You do realize that anyone who works in the Defense Industry, military, or other US Government contracting positions could lose their job over clicking that, right? It's not likely that they would be "caught" so to speak, but I thought this was a news aggregator, and would, you know, have links to the news. Thankfully I am no longer in the defense industry, and do not have to worry about losing my job.
For those of you who are about to freak out on the US Government's rules realize this: When you do work in certain areas you agree to not seek out information that is covered by a "Need to Know." The US Government has specifically said that those who work in sensitive areas are not to visit WikiLeaks, and have warned all employees and contractors. The reason is pretty simple. If you explicitly agree not to do something as a condition of employment, and you do it anyway, then you probably aren't a very trustworthy person. And anyway, I think that a proper news story would have been more informative and read better than a diplomatic cable, or whatever that document was.
I think the most likely explanation is that somebody was paid a big fat bribe to ship the engines to a country who wanted them: China, Russia, Iran, India (?), etc.
Seriously, this is Israel, the penultimate security state.
Which state is, therefore, the ultimate security state? Seriously, penultimate doesn't mean "ultimate, except with three extra prefix letters of awesome emphasis!", it means "next to last".
Fox News would rather you forget that half-truths are still whole lies
One of the comments in TFA was interesting. (From memory)
Mossad can track down a terrorist cell to a specific house and take it out, but the IDF can't locate a couple of jet engines that rolled out of the base on a flatbed truck!?!?!?!?
Why's that? Because that technology might make it to a country like Iran? ummm... We have given a HUGE amount of high-tech weaponry (including jets) to Egypt over the years and THAT place is now run by the Muslim Brotherhood which has begun cozying-up to some of the worst governments on Earth (including Iran). Israel is not the only country to let this happen... during the cold war, a Japanese firm intentionally transferred American nuclear submarine propeller technology directly to Russia, which resulted in the American taxpayer spending BILLIONS of new dollars to improve our ability to detect the newer quieter Russian subs and to make ours even more quiet.
So... is it that you oppose helping Egypt and Saudi Arabia and others (anybody who might let our tech slip out to our enemies) as well, OR are you just using this incident to disguise a personal predisposition for Jew-hating?
Muslims have huge swaths of land and many nations, rich with natural resources. The Jews (who have repeatedly faced threats and actual attempts of genocide) have only one tiny country, and it seems to be on the only middle-eastern soil that's not floating on oil (smile) so it's always interesting to see the warped and evil mindset of the irrational freaks who want to eliminate them. I'm not Jewish... I'm just a rational human who is fascinated by the freakish irrational behavior of Jew haters... it seems like every evil person on Earth hates Jews, even if they've never met one...
I think that this reflects a problem on those organizations. Not Slashdot.
My advice, come up with a wikileaks blocker and use it. Why deprive ANYONE else of a link just because?
Another thing. If you're at work, why browse slashdot at work? :P If you're at home, why is it that your employers control what you can or can not read in your house? It's public info.
"Science can amuse and fascinate us all, but it is engineering that changes the world. " - Asimov.
Even if the US used NO oil at all, we'd still be all entangled in the middle east... because we have many allies who are (and will be for many decades) fully dependent upon that oil. We could be sitting happily in the US with our own oil, coal, nuclear, wind, hydro, solar, etc energy and yet our economy could crash because our allies and trading partners crash in response to somebody like Iran choking-off middle east oil. Even if our allies in Europe got off oil from the middle east and instead got it from Russia, they'd leave themselves vulnerable to Russian blackmail and without a readily-available supply of middle east oil as a backup things would still be a mess. Our Asian allies need it. Even China, not an "ally" but certainly a trading partner, is becoming more-dependent upon middle-east oil (one reason they will feel increasingly driven to build-up a blue water navy) and will therefore make Americans worry about the region even if we do not directly use its oil. Quite simply, middle east oil is a vital part of world markets no matter how much or how little the US uses.
They are not "universally unpopular" they are just unpopular with sick, evil, twisted, freaks like NAZIs, skinheads, and the Muslim Brotherhood (who were allied with Hitler in WWII). Not all Muslims hate Jews (not all Muslims are warped and evil) ... but the truly evil fringe of Islam is the Muslim Brotherhood and they and their associated groups like Hamas and Hezbollah are currently an the ascendancy in the region. The Brotherhood does what every evil leader/government/agitator does... gain support of the local population by pointing at some "other" or "outsider" person/people as the party responsible for all the failings of a society. They tell the Muslim world that all their problems are not because they are have a backward ideology, corrupt leaders, dysfunctional courts, and they severely oppress half of their own population (women and girls) ... oh, no... ALL their problems are because there is a tiny little country with JEWS in it...
Maybe try using a bit less tinfoil next time. The whole roll is definitely too much. If you learn to fold it just right and not wrinkle it you can make a really good hat from a small piece of tinfoil.
"the lease is up" - color them red.
Really? You can lease a warplane? I suppose they bought "gap" insurance too.
This issue is a bit more complicated than you think.
No, some blocks of F-16s use GE F110 engines instead, which are more advanced. The only reason that some C-model F-16s use F100s is because some asshole senator decided it was more important for his district to get money than it was for DoD to save the cost of a second superfluous engine program.
Hail Eris, full of mischief...
E pluribus sanguinem
China doesn't need to get old F-16 engines from Israel. They already got their hands on some F-16s from Pakistan several years back. This is well known knowledge.
China has the capability to manufacture relatively modern jet engines. One example is the WS-10A engine they use in their J-15 carrier jet instead of the standard AL-31F engine used in the Su-27. The J-31 uses smaller WS-13 engines, also used in the JF-17 they sell to Pakistan, which is based on the Mig-29 RD-33 engine. They had several production problems namely in FADEC, turbine blade reliability and production capacity but it seems they have solved them. Otherwise they wouldn't be testing airplanes powered with their own engines on their carrier.
Because it could be a disinformation campaign, or a goodwill gesture where we tell nothing of value.
How your American tax dollars are spent by Israel.
Contrary to what you'd think from what politicians say, Israel is not a treaty ally.
hmmm...
Wow those scrappers sure can go to great lengths to fence their scrap!
I work for the Department of Redundancy Department.
You mean main stream media in general. Fox news is one of the few defending the other position, and it's one of the few that makes money. The others spew lies and half truths, and sway the nation into voting for more debt and government control.
You do realize there is a slight bit of difference between military grade avionics, and commercial ones, right? It's kind of a big difference, in fact, like the difference between an F-16 and a 747. Actually, not "like", that is the difference between an F-16 and a 747.
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It's public info.
Whatever you may think of Wikileaks, clearly this is not public info. It is publicly accessible but it plainly says right on the document: CONFIDENTIAL. For those who are held to an expectation of respect for that classification, just viewing it accidentally is as bad as being entirely incompetent.
Actually there's very little difference between "military grade" and commercial avionics. I've worked on both.
As for engines, there's obviously a difference between fighter and airliner engines, but the commercial stuff is every bit as sophisticated as the military. They face many of the same problems, and there's a reason why the same companies make both military and commercial jet engines.
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Have gnu, will travel.
I might trust the better commercial ones more than military grade. Most airliners don't have ejection seats for the passengers ;).
If we're so worried about China getting our jet engine tech (and we probably should be), then why is GE allowed to be in a joint Chinese venture to make engines?
GE has a long history of doing this. They licensed their steam turbines to Toshiba as early as the 1970's (and still maintain a joint venture with them). Then they licensed them to Hitachi. Recently, they have been playing the game with Doosan (Korean multinational).
I wouldn't worry too much about stealing gas turbine technology though. This is basically a mature technology now with only incremental improvements every couple years. If you wanted to play the gas turbine game, stealing an engine or 5 would help, but it would be cheaper and less risky to just send people to the various conferences on such technologies throughout the year. In this industry, the secret design is important, but the manufacturing capability and production engineering is more important. If you just steal an engine you still have a long way to go.
If you were starting a gas turbine program from scratch, you would need a big pile of money (500 million would probably do it), some engineers skilled in thermodynamics, separate engineers skilled in materials, production engineers, etc. You can have GE, Siemens, Alstom, and Rolls Royce's engineers defect to you if you want it bad enough (money and benefits talk loudly in this industry). Then you need to locate a supplier of exotic alloys and large forgings (not as difficult as it sounds), buy some 5 axis CNC machines for airfoils and some larger vertical tables and lathes for the rotors and casings. Get yourself some machinists and millwrights and you're in business. This is out of reach of a small or medium size company, but a Fortune 500 company or medium-size government could do it if they wanted it badly enough.
Even those who arrange and design shrubberies are under considerable economic stress at this period in history.
If we're so worried about China getting our jet engine tech (and we probably should be), then why is GE allowed to be in a joint Chinese venture to make engines?
Because as Lenin said: "Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them"
In 2000 there was a US Senate inquiry into how a classified targeting system in tanks was given to Israel, stolen by some criminals there, sold to China, then onsold to Iran. The government in Israel wasn't too happy about that stuff ending up in Iran either (especially since Iran gives away their obsolete rockets to people that keep shooting them at Israel).
So it's not really about Israel, but instead some crooks that just happen to live there.
- Iran does not have F-16 or use airplanes that use them.
- Iran has access to new Russian jet engines (RD-33 and many other types), American engines (TF-30 turbofan, J79 and J85 turbojets etc.) and french Snecma 9R-50. Also according Jane's defense a Venezuelan F-16 was transferred to Iran for research. They already have 2 F16-A engines in hand.
- Iran produces localized J-85 engines (for their F5 derived Saeghe fighters) and possibly limited number of TF-30 (for their 30 years old but still operational! fleet). They would most probably consider one of those engines for industrial production (as they have 40-45 years of experience with them).
This is a "partial" list of engines available to Iran :
Turbojets:
J85 14kN
Snecma Atar 42kN
Tumansky R-195 (su-25) 44kN
J79 50kN
AL-21F (su-24) 75kN
Khatchaturov R-35,R-29 (Mig23,27) 83kN
Turbofans:
RD33 50kN
TF30 65kN
'They're still more modern than anything in the Iranian air force inventory, and they would even be helpful to China in their jet engine development
No, they arent the mig 29 is a newer and arguably better aircraft than the F16 could ever hope to be. and if that isnt 'modern' enough, the SU 30's bolstering the Iranian air force sport avionics alone that make the F16 look like a model T.
chinas current fleet of J series aircraft are powered by the Saturn AL-31 or domestically produced clones with nothing except the turboblades imported. it has 27,600lbs of thrust, compared to the emaciated 17,600lbs of thrust for the pratt and whitney powering the F16.
in summation: Israel is bang on, the F16 has been a collectors item for quite some time.
Good people go to bed earlier.
yeah lets give more shit to Israel, they are such a great friend - if they aren't stealing our technology outright they are either losing it or selling it off.
I might trust the better commercial ones more than military grade. Most airliners don't have ejection seats for the passengers ;).
Most commercial aircraft don't engage in combat.
ifthat'strueyoushouldsavemoretimebyleavingoutthespaces. obviouslyit'samuchmoreefficientuseofyourprecioustime.
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
So an Slashdot commenter thinks Iran is a neighbor of Israel? Your post should be scored interesting or funny.
2. a person or thing that is near another.
Neighbor is a fairly nebulous term. I suppose it's relative too. For someone living in Jordan, no, they would probably not consider them to be neighbors with each other(Iran and Israel). However someone in Ohio may consider them to be. Just as the same person in Jordan may consider Ohio and Illinois regional neighbors.
You know, I do a lot reading of 20th century history, and this comment would not be out of place in Bavaria 1936.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Oops, I lost my F-16 engine. I can't remember where I put it.
Would you call the difference between a 486 and a core i7 substantial? There's plenty of information out there about jet engines, and certainly a talented individual could build one. But to build an engine that has 35,000+ lbs thrust and can withstand temperatures of 3500+ F, amongst other things, is not exactly trivial.
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Your post is a perfect example of Poe's law. I cannot tell at all whether you are parodying a fundamentalist, or are actually a fundamentalist. Congratulations!
Look where all this talking got us, baby.
They have a history of funneling our technology to the highest bidder. My only doubt is usually after they do it they tell our politicians to fuck off or AIPAC will visit your opponent's campaign office next election.
I swear to God...I swear to God! That is NOT how you treat your human!
We can't have nice things!
The USA's actions are often indefensible, it has nothing to do with Christians.
The old USSR's actions were often indefensible, it had nothing to do with Athiests.
Israel's actions are often indefensible, it has nothing to do with Judasim.
Can you see a pattern now, or do you still want to be part of the problem?
And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
Most airliners don't have ejection seats for the passengers ;).
And parents of squalling babies the world over are grateful for this.
Crumb's Corollary: Never bring a knife to a bun fight.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Really? Mod this AC down? This is the funniest shit I've read all day. Seriously, read whatever you want, but dismiss half of it as bullshit.
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The Bible is like Wikipedia: written by a bunch of people and verifiable by questionable sources.
Yep, instead the passengers die when something goes wrong rather than ejecting.
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Faux Noise leads the way in divisiveness in this country. Some dirtbag who was chased out of Australia somehow managed to purchase news media in both the UK and the US, so that he could brainwash masses of zombies into attacking their fellow countrymen. Rupert Murdoch should be executed, along with his top henchmen here and in the UK. Hang them from the Verrazanos Narrows bridge, and let their bodies rot in the air.
Let them serve as an example for all the liberals on the OTHER networks who are happy to promote the divisiveness. They are only little better. Maybe we should hang Hearst and the Turners beside Murdoch, just to be sure everyone gets the message.
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A nice plane without engines is useless. Over land through Iran to China
How? Through Syria and Iraq? How easy would it be to even get the engines out of Israel without alerting border agents?
What does religion exactly have to do with jet engines?
I was promised a flying car. Where is my flying car?
Using the definition of "can lob missiles at each other", most nations in the Middle East are each other's neighbours. The really psychotic kind.
stealing it and handing it out to the underclass
Pitting members of the proletariat against one another is a technique known as 'divide and rule', or in this case, 'divide and rule by thieving kleptocrats' .. the basic idea is that if you, say, have two neighbors and you can keep them bickering against one and blaming one another for everything that goes wrong, they won't notice while you rob both their houses (and will blame one another). Well done for playing your part like a good little pawn *pats head*.
The more phony divisions you sew, the better - e.g. pit old vs young (e.g. tell the older generation they're poor because the younger generation is eating Social Security and tell the younger generation they're poor because the older generation are living high off the hog off their labor ... meanwhile both feel poor because you are robbing them both blind, but they will instead bicker and blame one another ... it helps if you can deliberately construct a convoluted robbery system in which there's just enough of a grain of truth both ways for it to seem plausible, e.g. pyramid-scheme-based retirement funds or government debt).
The only "divide" in the country should be that between the moral and the immoral, between thieves and honest folk.
High powered computers and incremental engineering allow for highly advanced designs to evolve fairly quickly. Besides the US is losing planes all of the time, and US corporate executives are all to happy to sell fully detailed designs as long as the price is.
Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
Mmmmm, the "conservative" tears are still delicious.
Well if I were the agent in charge the first place I would check would be Jay Leno's garage. He's got every other souped up vehicle ever made, but two jet engines on a 1968 Chevy Impala would be way cool.....
"The other position." Is that the one when they start talking about a person who's simultaneously a socialist fascist stalinist nazi, empty suit evil manipulative genius, god-hating atheist antichrist with an Angry Black Man for a pastor, who (despite being an empty suit) will surely crush America under social security administration tyranny with an iron fist after duping the entire American legal system into covering up his Kenyan past (despite having held no government position that would remotely give him such power at the time) but (despite being an evil genius) can't speak without a teleprompter, who's surely coming for your guns (And if anyone points out he hasn't made a single move to, it's proof he's planning to)...
One would think that it's obvious that no one else defends this viewpoint because this viewpoint is manifestly insane, bringing to mind the delusional/hallucinating aspect of psychosis.
In the past, commercial jet engines were basically afterburner-less versions of military engines.
Case in point: Rolls-Royse Olympus (used by military and civilian aircraft, marine propulsion and industrial electricity generator) , Soloviev D-30 (MiG-31, Tu-154M).
"It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
Let me guess : the Mossad will "find" engine parts in Teheran, Gaza stripe & Mevaseret Adumim.
The obvious answer would be to bomb Iran, to drop white phosphorous bombs and shrapnel bullets against the civilian population of Gaza and create a new settlement in E1.
Given the record of Mossad, Bibi and Liebermann, it might not be such a crazy idea.
Problem is, Hamas leaders are just as bonkers.
If we're so worried about China getting our jet engine tech (and we probably should be), then why is GE allowed to be in a joint Chinese venture to make engines?
http://www.dailytech.com/GE+Announces+Chinese+Joint+Venture+for+Avionics+on+the+C919/article20681.htm
China and Iran don't need any fancy undercover operations - we'll happily shoot ourselves in the foot if it's called business.
Yeeeeeeeees.... but we make them sign a non disclosure agreement, so then they cannot reveal... oh, wait.
They already have 2 F16-A engines in hand.
Perhaps that what these engines are intended to be used in. They are not invulnerable and do wear out eventually.
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Wrong - nothing to do with making engines, it's to co-develop avionics...
I'm sure GE will be happy to sell them engines, but not to share key engine development knowledge.
Mel Gibson is that you?
Remember Israel was even caught out dealer arms to both sides in the Sri Lankan civil war at the same time.
If we're so worried about China getting our jet engine tech (and we probably should be), then why is GE allowed to be in a joint Chinese venture to make engines?
The difference in those technologies is the difference between a bus engine and the engine in a Formula One car. Just because you know how the bus engine works doesn't mean you can build a Formula One engine.
Because as Lenin said: "Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them"
And how well did that work out for Lenin do you think? It seems to me that the necks of the capitalist pigs are still quite intact.
So are they in Syria, with friendly help of our "allies" Qatar, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and heavily supported by the US and most EU Governments, no less.
cpghost at Cordula's Web.
Half of them are thieves, the others are too lazy to care.
No good deed goes unpunished.
Only LOOKS conservative....due to the liberal bias of the rest of the news organizations.
Name one military plane that has an ejection seat for passengers. Sure with something like the C-130 the passengers can jump out with parachutes but no ejection seats.
godwin, is that you?
israel could let Palestine form their own country, but they won't because they want to steal Palestinian Land. The houses israel authorized in occupied Palestine after the UN vote for Palestinian statehood could not have framed the problem that is israel any better.
Note, not fair and balanced within itself, it's obviously wildly on the right. But it provides a fair balance for the blatantly far-left media outlet MSNBC and the rest that are generally left-leaning (CBS, etc.).
But I'd bet you'd just like the airwaves to be filled with the leftist echo chamber, with no challenging viewpoints.
I remember reading a story about a couple of F-16 engines being hi-jacked from Ogden AFB years ago. We expected to see something akin to the Darwin Award story about the dude that hooked up C-130 jetos to his car and plowed into the side of a mountain not soon after...
Karma: Bad
Poe's law only works in the USA where the kooks are so pure.
Heavy is the head that wears the tinfoil hat.
An F-16 engine is about 65% of an F-16 by weight & volume. It's a single engine plane. It's an engine with wings and a chair tied to the top. Can I put on a set of coveralls that say "Al's Jet Engine Repair", drive with in with a 1987 flatbed truck, borrow a forklift from a line mechanic, load 'em and drive away? How stupid is the Israeli military? Not very. How corrupt is the Israeli government? Very. Most Israeli's think so. Is everyone afraid that some higher up was responsible and doesn't want to know? Israel may have it's precarious position compromised by the greed of its own people. Take everyone on duty that night and put their feet in a tub with a chironex fleckeri, commonly known as a sea wasp, a species of box jellyfish. They will tell you everything they know and make up what they don't. Sort out the facts and do the same at the next level. When you get to the top, recover the engines. After you do or if you don't, take the top guys out in the desert and shoot them. Don't bury them. Let it be known that they were shot, not buried and and animals are currently splitting up the bodies based on how big and how mean the animals are. Doing this once should put an end to this bullshit.
Never said it was trivial, just "do-able" given enough funding, and talented people. Also note, that I agreeing for the most part with the article, and against the GGP, in that the loss of the F16 engine is basically a loss of a F22/F35 engine.
Nothing I saw reported to have been leaked by wikileaks contained info on on-going, or future-useful info.
To use a car analogy, at this point leaking the spec's to a horse and buggy would not be upsetting at all, but a '64 mustang would provide a substantial amount of the info needed to build a modern car. An out of date "un-safe" car, but a car none the less.
All of the above was encrypted with a Quad ROT-13 method. Unauthorized decryption is in violation of the DMCA.
I'd bet it applies even more in parts of the Muslim world.
Look where all this talking got us, baby.
China isn't Communist, and is following Capitalist rules beautifully.
China isn't "Maoism", it's fucking Foxconn, and that works.
"This post is an artistic work of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
I did not say anything about China, but indeed China retained the worst properties of communism and capitalism. The individual is nothing, but individualism thrive.
Sorry, but "most people" don't agree on the meanings of just about anything when it is convenient to do so. Relativism can just go fuck itself - experts know more than non-experts about the subject they have expertise in so there's no need to pretend that the definitions they put forward are "unclear" just because people are don't like it when minor aspects of a different ideology also occur in their own.
This sort of relativism bullshit has been especially rampant while PR agencies are pretending climate experts do not know any more than non-experts, but it's been around for a while and really is an major inpediment to an informed democratic society (or if the leaders believe this bullshit and ignore their experts, any society).
Searching probably won't help now, and they are not going to be doing it with every shipping container from now on to forever.
It wasn't F-16 engines, it was just specific parts