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Dean Kamen Invents Stomach Pump For Dieters

You may soon have another option to lose weight other than dieting and exercise thanks to Dean Kamen. The inventor has designed a pump that can suck the cheeseburgers out of your stomach and replace it with water. From the article: "The pump was invented by Dean Kamen, the same man who brought you the Segway, and perhaps more fittingly, a breakthrough dialysis machine. This pump works by routing a tube directly into the user's stomach and then sucking out some of the gooey, masticated goodness. The user then squeezes a little plastic bag to replace that volume of stomach-stew with water. Sounds great, right? There are some catches though. It hasn't been approved by the FDA yet, and some of the users in the tests had problems with certain foods like 'cauliflower, broccoli, Chinese food, stir fry, snow peas, pretzels, chips, and steak.' Oh, also there's a tube going into your stomach that you use to pump unpuked vomit into the toilet. Participants in trial studies did manage to lose about half of their excess weight this way, around 45 pounds on average, so apparently it works."

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  1. Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Or at least a marketable, respectable form of bulimia.

    1. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, it is. At least, it's bulimia. I don't see anything respectable at all about surgically altering yourself so you can gorge and still lose weight, and I guess time will tell if it's marketable (although I doubt it'll be even as successful as lap band surgery), but yeah, it's definitely mechanical barfing.

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    2. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The tube should ameliorate some of the dangerous effects of repeated exposure to gastric acids by the sensitive tissues and teeth of the mouth and throat, so there is that...

    3. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by jamesh · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, it is. At least, it's bulimia. I don't see anything respectable at all about surgically altering yourself so you can gorge and still lose weight, and I guess time will tell if it's marketable (although I doubt it'll be even as successful as lap band surgery), but yeah, it's definitely mechanical barfing.

      Depends on the size of the target market. How many people are there in the US who love eating but don't want to be fat? Probably not many I guess.

    4. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Nemyst · · Score: 3, Informative

      The difference is that bulimia is a mental disorder first and foremost. People go in cycles of bulimia and anorexia, they often aren't actually fat, and they'll usually have binges of eating before vomiting. On top of that, they'll rarely actually say anything to anyone.

      I can't see this not being supervised by a doctor, considering the tubes going in your body and all that. It's not the kind of thing you can do in your kitchen. It'll come with restrictions attached and a strict diet, if anything, so that people can get the tubes removed as soon as possible.

    5. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by LordLucless · · Score: 1

      Depends what you mean by "bulimia", I guess. Like anorexia, I thought the disease was characterised by its psychological components (ie: binging, guilt, desire for an unattainable ideal, etc) more than the physical means used in response to those drives. For instance, binging followed by taking laxatives, or binging followed by an extreme diet are considered examples of bulimia - but not all people who go an an extreme diet or take laxatives are bulimic.

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    6. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by mug+funky · · Score: 2

      you don't get acid-etched teeth and terrible breath either.

      but a tube in the stomach seems like an unnecessary infection vector, and the whole contraption is just a dangerous, painful and expensive replacement for just eating less and drinking more water.

    7. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I don't see anything respectable at all about surgically altering yourself so you can gorge and still lose weight,

      I also don't see..

      wait, is that a cheeseburger?

    8. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by AuMatar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wrong question. How many people love eating, don't want to be fat, and think that this could possibly be a good or healthy idea? And want to deal with the disposal and cleanup of the pumped material? I love eating and it would be great to lose 100 pounds, but I know that this isn't safe and is actually counter-productive.

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    9. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How many people are there in the US who love eating but don't want to be fat? Probably not many I guess.

      Not many? More like just about everyone.

    10. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by flayzernax · · Score: 1

      It wont work for the vast majority of people who have problems eating too much. Its because of a lack of satiation. Emptying the stomach does not fix that issue.

    11. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by kiddygrinder · · Score: 1

      the problem is it takes will power out of the equation

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    12. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by psithurism · · Score: 2

      The tube should ameliorate some of the dangerous effects of repeated exposure to gastric acids by the sensitive tissues and teeth of the mouth and throat, so there is that...

      I figured that was a good reason until I got to this part:

      The user then squeezes a little plastic bag to replace that volume of stomach-stew with water.

      ...wait, what's wrong with the original tube they've been cramming cheeseburgers down before hand? Going number four is OK for these people as they try to lose weight, but drinking water is still too hard a road towards health?

    13. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by cffrost · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The tube should ameliorate some of the dangerous effects of repeated exposure to gastric acids by the sensitive tissues and teeth of the mouth and throat, so there is that...

      Sure, but the same benefits can be achieved via do-it-yourself nasogastric intubation, using a length of latex tubing and a hand-pump from the hardware store. No surgery, no inter-abdominal infection vector, no awkward situations in the bedroom or airport, and a total investment equivalent to a plateful of cheeseburgers.

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    14. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I don't really see this as a useful alternative to a healthy diet and regular exercise.

      However, even for healthy individuals I suspect there are times some might not object to having access to this stomach pump. Just last week I made the mistake of overeating, just one meal. I'm not overweight and I do exercise regularly, this was at a dinner at a friend's place and they decided to be all fancy with a three course dinner with big servings, the food was good and I didn't want to be rude by declining dessert. By the time I left I felt absolutely stuffed, uncomfortably so. I'll admit that had I had this machine available it would've been tempting to alleviate some of that discomfort with it.

      p>But once again, regular use to combat obesity? Nah, that doesn't seem right.

    15. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I don't know about you, but I deal with disposal of some pretty nasty material from my body at least once a day already...

    16. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Dahamma · · Score: 5, Informative

      I assume you have never been intubated (even by a real doctor) before? They do it for most surgeries (to the trachea, not stomach) and most people have a minor sore throat afterwards. Do that yourself (all the way down to your stomach, even worse) every day and you will mess up your esophagus, larynx, of some other structure in your throat a lot faster than gastric acids would.

    17. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The morbidly obese who are far enough gone that they can't exercise and are going to have a more difficult than average time fixing that with limited intake alone.

      It's like surgery, but less harmful. Not something to help you fit in to a prom dress.

    18. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you drink water it quickly gets absorbed into other parts of the body, a little plastic bag would make it hang around in the stomach area taking up space and tricking the empty stomach sensors.

      Not saying it's a great idea, but if drinking lots of water was that effective at losing weight, people would drink a lot more water. (I know drinking water does help lose weight, but the effect is tiny compared to diet and exercise)

    19. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Macgrrl · · Score: 2

      That was my thoughts exactly - it's bulimia without the tooth enamel damage.

      As someone who has struggled with involuntary vomiting most of my life (apparently I have mild gastroparesis - where the stomach doesn't empty itself into the intestines properly), I can tell you that in and of itself, vomiting is not a good way to lose weight, but is a great way to screw with your metabolism.

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    20. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Firehed · · Score: 3, Insightful

      no awkward situations in the bedroom or airport

      You're kidding, right?

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    21. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by jklovanc · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You seem to think that the plastic bag is inside the stomach. Not true. The water is just injected into the stomach through the tube that was being used to pump the juices out. It probably also acts as a cleaning agent so the tube does not become clogged.

    22. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Depends on the size of the target market

      Did you just make a fat joke?

    23. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Funny

      the problem is it takes will power out of the equation

      That's OK, most people are bad at math.

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    24. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 1

      Pretty much. This is not for "dieters." Good luck not using this system forever but managing to keep any lost weight off. If you keep eating poorly, use this pump to lose weight, then still keep eating poorly, you've either got to keep using the pump or you're going to put the weight back on. Duh. This is probably a worse solution than a starvation "crash" diet, bariatric surgery, short term cocaine addiction, and "classic" bulimia. With it you treat the symptom (excess weight) but not the underlying problem (a bad diet), and there is little reason to change, aside from the tube sticking out of your body.

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    25. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by mattcoz · · Score: 1

      How many people are there in the US who love eating but don't want to be fat? Probably not many I guess.

      I'd guess about 300 million.

    26. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by FishTankX · · Score: 2

      It could help morbidly obese patients get back to a weight where they can excercise without excessive pain or joint problems. I imagine if you're over 500, regular excercise is not an option.

    27. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by durrr · · Score: 1

      You'll loose ions in the voimit pumpout, so excess use will either need supplementing or monitoring to prevent various complications.

    28. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Grayhand · · Score: 2

      Or at least a marketable, respectable form of bulimia.

      Only if you stick a vacuum cleaner hose down your throat to suck the Hagen Daz out.

    29. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by davester666 · · Score: 5, Funny

      You really should have that head wound looked at by a doctor...

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    30. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 2

      This is limited intake alone.

    31. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      That's the idea. Will power alone isn't always enough - that's why we have a obesity crisis in most of the developed world now. It's hard for people to lose weight when a few million years of natural selection is screaming 'load up on fat and sugar while you can, winter is coming and the hunting will be poor!'

    32. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by an+unsound+mind · · Score: 1

      A bad diet is not the only cause for being overweight.

    33. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      True, but this 'solution' only corrects for a bad diet.

    34. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Runaway1956 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That might be a little high. I mean, not everyone "loves eating". Some of us eat because we are hungry. Some of us don't even eat every time we get hungry, but put it off for awhile. Some of us get up, and leave the dinner table before we feel "full".

      In my own personal slice of the world, far less than half of the people I know are "fat". Far fewer are "obese". Many of us could stand to lose 20 to 50 pounds, but that is merely "overweight". At a guess, most of those who are either physically fit, or a little bit overweight don't exactly "love eating". We just eat to stay healthy, for the most part.

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    35. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by reub2000 · · Score: 1

      There was a documentary called "Thin" about eating disorders. Basically one of the subjects would take a syringe and draw food our of her stomach through a feeding tube.

    36. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Runaway1956 · · Score: 2

      http://www.lyricsfreak.com/f/flaming+lips/she+dont+use+jelly_20054118.html

      That song is stupid and irritating - but it could solve the problem with personal intubation.

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    37. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Weight loss surgery is not about wanting to lose weight with no effort or eat as much as you like. That is a common misconception that is hard to explain to people who don't struggle to control their weight.

      Willpower is not enough for a lot of people. Personally I suffer from both arthritis and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. I am just about managing to keep my current weight, but could stand to loose 20kg or more. It isn't a case of being lazy, or weak, or stuffing my face with McShit all day. I'm way off the point where I would qualify for surgery but I can completely understand why it is necessary for some people.

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    38. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by reub2000 · · Score: 1

      And how will you force patients to adhere to a diet after surgery? At least past methods where the stomach was restricted forced a person to eat less and slower.

    39. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Runaway1956 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Maybe if we stopped subsidized farming, the price of food would go up, and we wouldn't have so many people gorging themselves?

      Face it, as taxpayers, we are paying farmers to produce cheap foods so that more people can afford to be fat, so that we can pay MORE in taxes to take care of our diabetic, heart diseased, obese population.

      To make things worse, in spite of all that cheap food, the food processors replace cheap food stuffs with even cheaper junk like sugar, salt, preservatives, etc, to aggravate our health problems.

      Maybe we need to take a long hard look at the entire food economy.

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    40. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You seem to have missed the fact that the tube goes through the abdominal wall. It's less invasive than lap band surgery or gastric bypass, but it's still not something you will want just for casual use.

    41. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by jamesh · · Score: 4, Informative

      How many people are there in the US who love eating but don't want to be fat? Probably not many I guess.

      Not many? More like just about everyone.

      Sarcasm is implied unless indicated otherwise.

    42. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The difference is that bulimia is a mental disorder first and foremost.

      Yes, it explains WHY you feel the need to shovel way too much garbage into your gullet and then puke it back out.

      People go in cycles of bulimia and anorexia

      Sometimes. The difference is that an Anorexic simply doesn't eat because they perceive themselves as already being fat. A bulimic knows how much they weigh, whether fat or thin, but can't stop gobbling food and so they force themselves to hork it all back up. The two conditions are similar, both are mental, but the side effects are usually the same- extremely underweight and/or malnurished.

      But you still haven't explained how there's any difference between using your finger to puke after stuffing your craw as compared to using a surgical pump to do the same damn thing. I have no idea why anybody would ever invent this type of device, it doesn't seem to serve any medical purpose. All it does is enable them to binge and purge.

    43. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by jamesh · · Score: 4, Informative

      This is limited intake alone.

      The research i've read says that you grow additional fat cells when your intake exceeds your expenditure, and your fat cells empty when your expenditure exceeds your intake. Empty fat cells scream at your brain to eat to fill them up again, making it easy to lose a bit of weight but difficult to keep it off. The article I read wasn't clear on how long empty fat cells stay empty before they are eliminated, but i don't think it was particularly fast.

      I'm not sure if the article (can't find it anymore) was quackery or actually backed by proper research but it seemed a reasonable explanation for why surgery (cutting out fat from the body) becomes the only option for really obese people. Obviously if they had the self control to lose weight they probably wouldn't be in this situation in the first place.

      Stomach stapling would reduce the ability to eat but leave the person in the hell of wanting to eat without being able to. This new invention might be a better solution, although I think that the act of eating primes the body for the nutrients about to be delivered, and messing with that (eg removing the foot before it hits the intestines) might not be a particularly good long term solution...

    44. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by SerpentMage · · Score: 2

      BINGO!

      Here is Switzerland meat is expensive, and I mean REALLY expensive. Take for example lean ground beef, which costs around 10 USD per pound. In the US it costs maybe 3 USD per pound? We eat quite a bit less meat here. It does not bother me as I don't eat that much meat in the first place. BUT it bothers my wife who likes her meat. So whenever she goes home to Canada she gorges herself on meat. The point is that because food costs more here, you naturally do eat less food.

      I also completely agree with you on how cheap and bad nutrition foods are cheaper than natural and healthy foods. I cook froms scratch and use fresh meats and vegetables all the time. It is expensive. When I look at the processed food I could save money, but also know that the processed food is crap for you body.

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    45. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Pascal+Sartoretti · · Score: 1

      A respectable form of bulimia.

      Respectable ? You must be kidding.

    46. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by bigbrownepaul · · Score: 0

      I agree, it seems to be just another "easy" option rather than accepting that you simply need to intake less calories and burn off more.

      There is no magic just a simple equation of energy in being higher than energy out......

      The overweight dont need the food sucked out, just help stopping shoving so much in.

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    47. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It wont work for the vast majority of people who have problems eating too much. Its because of a lack of satiation. Emptying the stomach does not fix that issue.

      Which is why they pump water back into it.

      Which still doesn't fix the issue of shoveling food into your mouth in an effort to avoid dealing with your problems.

    48. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I blame the heavy metal music Binge and purge for this behaviour.

    49. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It could help morbidly obese patients get back to a weight where they can excercise without excessive pain or joint problems. I imagine if you're over 500, regular excercise is not an option.

      It's not any problem at all if you put your fat sack of lard into a pool.
      And doesn't solve the real problem, which is cramming too much food into your stomach. You could simply drink a bunch of water instead of gobbling fatburgers and do the same exact thing without the surgery or vomiting.

      That's not the real issue. The issue is using food to compensate for your problems. The issue is not having the willpower to deal with feeling hungry. The issue gets worse because the more food you stuff into your stomach, the bigger it gets and the harder it is to feel full.

      Using a device like this is simply another way to avoid actually dealing with the problem. Any person who is to the point where they need this, needs to get checked into a facility where their intake can be rationed, exercise re-introduced, and medical staff to make sure things keep working. In such a situation, they won't HAVE two dozens cheezeburgers to inhale whenever they want, so the only need for such a device is if the medical staff is worthless.

    50. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by clickety6 · · Score: 1

      Depends on the size of the target market.

      Apparently they're unbelievably enormous...

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    51. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah yes, did miss this. I just assumed this was your average stomach pump that goes down the throat.

      In that case it just seems outright stupid.

    52. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by master5o1 · · Score: 1

      Stomach stapling surgically alters your body. Though it also tends to result in a lower appetite due to less stomach volume.

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    53. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by pev · · Score: 4, Informative

      People go in cycles of bulimia and anorexia

      Not true. I've had bulimia for many years and not told anyone about it. I'm overweight by about 15Kg and tubby but not your typical fatty. I've certainly never had anorexia or even been close.

      Yes I know it's ironic, "Hi internet." The geek psyche is weird isn't it? It seems less concerning to me to disclose publicly what I guess is a fucked medical problem in a public forum than it is to let someone make an incorrect comment on slashdot. I think XKCD nailed it with : http://xkcd.com/386/

    54. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by dargaud · · Score: 4, Funny

      While Kamen is at it, he should invent a collar that measures how much food goes though your throat and chokes you after a certain amount. We already have electric collars to keep dogs from wandering off a property, so why not an electric collar to keep the obese from ruining social security ?

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    55. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Double check your anatomy on that one. I'm not arguing with the *principle* that non-medically trained people putting a tube down their throats is dangerous, but a naso-gastric (or oro-gastric) tube is, in essence, "swallowed" - it does not touch your larynx. Apart from the trauma though, there's acid-base disturbances to think about (removing acid from the stomach alters the body's overall pH balance and can cause a metabolic alkalosis), the possibility of water intoxication depending on use, and the fact that yes, this does count as a form of purging.

    56. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by tulcod · · Score: 1

      Could you try to explain what it *is* like?

    57. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The tube should ameliorate some of the dangerous effects of repeated exposure to gastric acids by the sensitive tissues and teeth of the mouth and throat, so there is that...

      Yeah, or repeated exposure to exercise...you know, that fucking crazy idea of losing weight that always seems to crop up again and again in the idea bucket...wonder if it works...

    58. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really. Just reading about this (during lunch) made me not hungry.

    59. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by cffrost · · Score: 1

      no awkward situations in the bedroom or airport

      You're kidding, right?

      Not necessarily... In the case of the first situation, I imagine that revealing one of these devices to a boyfriend or girlfriend would not be pleasant, at least not unless/until the patient's S.O. responded with acceptance. I included the latter situation due to the reported supplemental abuses experienced by some passengers reliant on various medical device(s), at the hands of TSA thugs.

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    60. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by SpzToid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In my experience, electric dog collars don't work with truly big, mean, motivated dogs. The big dogs just sit on the periphery taking in the tolerable threshold of pain, all the time going grrrrr, grrrrr, grrrr, until the batteries in the collar fail and the big dogs are then free to chase and maul unimpeded.

      This is kind of the thing isn't it?

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    61. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We already have electric collars to keep dogs from wandering off a property, so why not an electric collar to keep the obese from ruining social security ?

      Just so we're clear: fat people have increased mortality, so they will actually save Social Security by dying off on closer to a 1930s schedule. However, they also have increased morbidity, so they are wrecking Medicare and Medicaid.

    62. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many old people also have increased "morbidity" in terms of needing extra healthcare. Only a few a fit and spry till 100 and then drop dead the next day in great condition.

      Get dementia, fall and break a hip, get cancer (live long enough and you just might get cancer). And then linger for years till you finally die.

      The fat people are just doing it earlier. Maybe they have a bit more morbidity costs but as you say they save on social security.

      As a skinny nonalcoholic non-smoker I'd say we should show some gratitude to the people dying for their country ;).

    63. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Not sure about the long-term prospects of stapling, but of the 3 people I know who have had it, all 3 have gained weight back. The stomach stretches back out or something.

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    64. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 4, Funny

      Personally, I suffer from eating too much food and not wanting to move very much.

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    65. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by berashith · · Score: 2

      horrible... If your body needs the calories to fill the cells, then it needs the calories. Eating may make your head think that you have the needed intake, but then the calories wont arrive and the cells start screaming. This is going to train people's brains to have some very unbalanced desires.

    66. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does the fat cell getting eliminated when empty ? I don't think so. It is easier for the body to full existing fat cells than create new one.

    67. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sometimes. The difference is that an Anorexic simply doesn't eat because they perceive themselves as already being fat. A bulimic knows how much they weigh, whether fat or thin, but can't stop gobbling food and so they force themselves to hork it all back up.

      Pop-psychology bullshit. Anorexia isn't the dumb cartoon you saw as a teenager of an emaciated girl looking in a fun-house mirror; it is a helluva lot more complex than that. An anorexic I am very good friends with certainly doesn't see herself as fat, and never has.

    68. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless you're a very tall person then carrying an extra 20-50 pounds almost certainly falls into the category of obese.

    69. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Millennium · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I was going to say; it's probably better for your teeth than "conventional" bulimia is, but other than that, what's the difference?

    70. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am the high priest of the church of the painful truth.

      You mean you're an attention whore who says shitty things to people to get himself said attention?

    71. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by tofarr · · Score: 1

      Kinda sounds like internet porn...

    72. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Larryish · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Unpuked vomit"?

      Dude, gross!

      Your blurb totally made me lose my appetite... for my 7th bowl of corn flakes.

    73. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It looks like we just have to introduce them to Popeye's chicken and set the retirement age to 72. Louisiana was ranked 49th in life expectancy, followed by Mississippi.

    74. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by tippe · · Score: 1

      You sir, owe me an apology for the coffee that you caused me to spray over my keyboard and screen. The timing of your post could not have been worse...

    75. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by fractoid · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, the body doesn't NEED calories. It WANTS them because we've evolved to fatten up when food is plentiful so that we don't starve when food is scarce. The nasty side effect is that when food is always plentiful, and we don't have the discipline to consciously manage our energy intake to sustain a healthy weight, then we blimp up.
      Agreed, though, that people are still going to feel hungry after eating an entire McDonalds and then barfing it up again.

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    76. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by fractoid · · Score: 1

      20 to 50 pounds overweight IS FAT. I think you mean it's not morbidly obese (aka 'so fat that it will kill you).

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    77. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And how many fatties are like you? Do you believe that every single person whose weight is above average also suffers from arthritis and chronic fatigue syndrome? There are a lot of fatties out there who blame their metabolism or any other bullshit excuse for their lack of exercise and absurd diet, and it's impossible to beileve that it just so happens that the onlly people plagued by this mysterious disability happen to live in the US.

    78. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by berashith · · Score: 1

      I fear this would make someone believe that a normal serving could be several times our servings now, which are bigger than what is really needed.

      You are right on the need comment... I word that wrong because I run far too much ( was fat, fear having to lose weight again), and I have serious issues with meeting minimal nutritional requirements, but that is the opposite of this conversation. There is a tremendous amount of discipline and restraint needed for me to not over eat when not over-exercising though. The habit of how much is needed to eat is a tough one to alter, as like you said, the body tries to prepare for potential lean times.

    79. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article I read wasn't clear on how long empty fat cells stay empty before they are eliminated, but i don't think it was particularly fast.

      It's 10 years.

    80. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by MangoCats · · Score: 2

      I worked for Cyberonics for a couple of years. During those years, a bulimia researcher did a presentation at the company about a small (12 subjects/1 year) study in which she used Vagal Nerve Stimulation to help treat bulimia. The underlying hypothesis was that the massive vagal stimulation of purging becomes addictive, sort of like orgasm? (I'm not sure if that's my analogy or hers, she certainly implied it to me), and that electrical vagal stimulation can be a substitute for vomiting to "scratch that itch."

      I think her subjects were mostly female, and prequalified as seeking to stop their bulimic behavior but unable to do so through conventional therapies. She reported a remission rate of 11/12 dramatically reducing their purging behavior with something like 6 or 9/12 completely stopping for the period of the study.

      The company declined to fund additional research, mostly due to small size of the bulimic population and therefore limited economic incentive. Of course, I'm one to cast judgement on them, when they cancelled their employee stock purchase plan, cut bonuses (20% reduction in my effective annual income) and switched to a crappy healthcare plan, I hit the door in short order... not for just those reasons, but still.

      If anyone is interested in similar therapies that don't involve $30K worth of implant surgery, you can get a weaker effect with transcutaneous neurostim. If targeting the vagus with TNS, I'd highly recommend physician guidance and likely no self-applications of the therapy.

    81. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      Someone I know wrote a blog post detailing what she has to go through having had weight loss surgery. It is *NOT* fun and definitely *NOT* the easy path. Her stomach pouch is now too small to accept enough protein so she needs to drink these nasty protein shakes every day. If she eats (or drinks) too much or the wrong kind of food (a category which can change on her stomach's whim), she'll wind up in the bathroom puking up her food. In short, she's got to be extremely careful about what she puts in her mouth and when.

      Now, she happens to have lost a ton of weight (gone from around 300 to 160 if memory serves) and she does recommend it to some people depending on their condition, but too many people think "Oh, I'll just get my stomach stapled and then lose the weight easily" when this is anything but easy. (Personally, I'm sticking with diet modifications and exercise.)

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    82. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      I probably don't want to know, but what's #3?

    83. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *giggle* Does she gorge herself on sausage? *giggle*

    84. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One thing I will take issue with is the concept that healthy food, cooked from scratch is more expensive. As a student I was on a tight budget. That forced me to really look around at the food options available to me. The cheapest option by far (we're talking dollars here, not a few cents) was to cook from scratch.

      Sure, cooking single meals is more expensive as you're paying a lot more for a lot less, but making batches of sauce or meals is a lot cheaper (and a lot quicker). You can even freeze what you don't use and create a nice little "ready meal" section in your freezer.

      Too many people these days go for convenience foods. They are too lazy to spend a Sunday afternoon going shopping for the week ahead and making sure they know what they need to stock up on. Most people will tell you they don't have time to cook or plan for the week ahead. That's BS. There's always time somewhere in the week to sort out your food.

      Plan ahead, shop around, know what things cost and then buy what you need in order to not waste food. It's cheaper.

    85. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How often does it fail?

    86. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Carnie Wilson had this happen to her.

    87. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you could just plan on going for an extra run / swim / cycle / walk the next day. Overeating once in a while is fine. Your body doesn't panic and shove all those extra calories into fat cells (unless you're in starvation mode, but then you have a different problem). Doing some extra exercise the next day will make you feel better about overeating that one time in a healthy way.

    88. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by GungaDan · · Score: 2

      I figured it was 1+2. Gods help all those poor souls going #7 this flu season.

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    89. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where are my mod points when I need them?

    90. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. SOME people do NEED this PROCEDURE. There is no doubt about that. The real questions have always been:

      How many is "SOME"?
      What, exactly does "Need" mean?
      How dangerous is this "PROCEDURE"?

      First there need to be very, VERY rigorous studies as to just who absolutely cannot live without this.
      Second, there needs to be studies on the necessity of this procedure versus other procedures.
      Third, there need to be rigorous studies on just how unsafe this procedure really is.

      Only after all of these studies are done can we start marketing it as a beauty aide for fat losers (pun intended).

    91. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I imagine if you're over 500, regular excercise is not an option.

      It's not any problem at all if you put your fat sack of lard into a pool.

      And you're volunteering to carry those 500 pounders OUT of the pool?

      Maybe you need to exercise your brain as much as they need to exercise their bodies.

    92. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      The water is to clear the tube. The tube part is a standard feeding tube. The "invention" here is the pump to move stuff out of instead of into the stomach. Feeding tubes need to be flushed with water after each use. This would hold true for using it in "reverse" like we are talking about here.

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    93. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's wrong with it?

      I've always felt that eating serves at least 3 distinct functions in our lives (nutrition, social interaction, entertainment) and I don't see why nutritional eating has to get in the way of social eating or entertainment eating, if we can find a way to separate them. Bulimia is bad because it's associated with a disorder; affected patients end up getting addicted and physically harming themselves, not because there's anything inherently wrong with wanting to eat without the food you're eating affecting your nutrition.

    94. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      Depends on how you count weight. I spent most of my adult life between 150 and 160. Never had those picture perfect "six-pack abs", but I was rock solid, all over. Every commander who ever evaluated me gave me a rating of 4.0, impressive, for military appearance. No fat - in fact, some said that I was underweight.

      Today, I bounce up and down between a low of 180 and a high of 195. At six feet tall, that's not "fat", but I'm certainly not the lean mean fighting machine who proudly wore his uniform around the world.

      You make the call - overweight, or fat? I call it overweight.

      There have been a few times where I had to give medical assistance to fat and obese people, as well as a couple of morbidly obese. When you have to handle a person, you can tell the difference real damned quick.

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    95. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't legitimize the binge and purge mentality of people who don't eat right. People need to understand how to eat right and be healthy... Not have machine puke then after they over eat.

    96. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "An intubation associate will be dispatched to revive you with peptic salve and adrenaline."

    97. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by niado · · Score: 1

      Today, I bounce up and down between a low of 180 and a high of 195. At six feet tall, that's not "fat", but I'm certainly not the lean mean fighting machine who proudly wore his uniform around the world.

      You make the call - overweight, or fat? I call it overweight.

      195lbs. and 6' tall would be at the low end of "overweight".

      Of course height-weight is just a useful ballpark measurement. To get exact numbers you would need to take into consideration body fat ratios and other measurements.

    98. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by AwesomeMcgee · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Just a note, my sister in law eats less than me and is far more active, but was extremely overweight (she was obese since childhood) so doctors finally decided she needed a gastric bypass.

      I presume that's what you're talking about when you refer to the surgically altering yourself so you can gorge. I have since learned some interesting things, for instance: she can't more than 3oz of anything at a time for the rest of her life. This includes water so she gets 3oz of sustenance every 3 or 4 hours (I don't remember the time period) to the point that she has been suffering migraines from dehydration because the small amount she's intaking is simply not allowing for enough water and food, if she has more water rather than food she finds herself feeling very weak from malnourishment (the doctors tell her both the dehydration and weakness are completely common as her body adjusts).

      Just sharing this because from what I've learned, it turns out this surgery doesn't allow one to just gorge themselves and is anything but an easy weight loss solution, effective but definitely not easy. Plus she had to diet even more and exercise for 6 or 9 months leading up to the surgery before they would even do it, where the result is a permanent diet for the rest of her life. It'll be worth it for her and her family to have her healthier but as I said, this is no miracle cure with no consequences.

    99. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by jbmartin6 · · Score: 1

      They probably are 'obese' according to official US Government standards.

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    100. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

      Everyone here likes to debate Darwin's theory but I have never seen anyone talk about exactly what it might look like. This is exactly what it looks like. Centuries if not millennia of food scarcity have forced the human body to adapt to a feast famine world. That changed for the developed world a little over a hundred years ago. Now, the ability to easily store fat is a curse and billions of dollars are spent every year to reverse it. Zone training which portends to increase fat reduction by cycling the heart rate between certain "Zones" is actually an attempt to make your body LESS efficient thereby forcing it to burn more calories for a given task.

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    101. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Jesrad · · Score: 2

      we've evolved to fatten up when food is plentiful so that we don't starve when food is scarce

      Not quite.

      We've evolved to fatten up to a limited extent when food is plentiful, and to adapt our metabolism to a wide extent whether that supply remains plentiful or shortens up. That's what gives reproductive advantage. For hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of years our ancestors lived a life of plenty as hunter-gatherers (see "Stone-age economics, by Marshall Sahlins) and "when food is scarce" was a rare occurrence that they hardly ever cared to prepare for.

      Fattening up without limit, turning obese and diabetic earlier and earlier, and developping cardiovascular disease in ripe age, gives no reproductive advantage and is thus not an evolved trait. They're disease, or more accurately symptoms of a deeper disease of the human metabolism's hormonal regulation system, and it's most probably caused by the foods that did not play a role in our long evolution, foods that were introduced very recently and do affect our hormones.

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    102. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That might be a little high. I mean, not everyone "loves eating". Some of us eat because we are hungry.

      I used to love eating, but I find that in the last few years (I'm 45) I've grown tired of my favorite foods and eating sometimes seems more like a chore.

      Yeah, I know... sample size of 1.5.

    103. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by dargaud · · Score: 1

      I was mostly trolling, but the very next slashdot story presents a spoon that measures what you eat... Now all you need it a remote for a dog collar and you are all set.

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    104. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gastric lavage is only done under anaesthesia, for good reason. After an OD, I had it performed on me while I was still semi-conscious. I felt like I was suffocating the entire time. Anyone who can do that to themselves after every meal wouldn't need diet aids—they have enough strength of will to starve to death in a cupcake factory.

    105. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by PraiseBob · · Score: 1

      "when food is scarce" was a rare occurrence that they hardly ever cared to prepare for.

      If that was true, then why was agriculture even invented? And how did agriculture based communities overtake hunter-gatherers in population, if there was no scarcity of food? Wild grass grains have tiny seeds. It took thousands of generations of painstaking care of the plants, and selection of the best for re-planting to evolve wild grains into their modern equivalents. Do you think people would spend that much energy if food was plentiful?

    106. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by doghouse41 · · Score: 1

      I think you will find the target market is quite large!

    107. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Rhacman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The slogan "willpower is not enough" needs to go. Willpower is not enough to safely stop a speeding train or divert a tornado. Willpower _is_ enough to put down a fork. Whether a person presently has enough willpower to do so is another question but of the many challenges in life that fundamentally cannot be met by willpower alone, dieting is not one of them.

      If we must make a machine or a pill to solve the problem of obesity then make a pill to increase willpower (or perhaps a magic ring? jk). Even without pills or magic, willpower can be improved upon. I argue that we rephrase the discussion: Willpower is enough to solve this problem, how can we each obtain the willpower to overcome it?

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    108. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. A year ago I was 230 lb at 6'6". I considered that to be overweight (BMI was hovering around 25... for all the disadvantages of BMI, it does give you a nice ballpark figure). After a year of diet and exercise, I have lost 40lb, and will be continuing on for another 10, to get to my target weight of 180lb. My overall health has also improved: my arthritis in my knees have reduced pain (due to the reduced weight they need to carry); I have been able to reduce my time on a 6k run from about 50 min to 37 min (with a goal this year of 32); I can carry my kids on hikes again without being completely out of breath; I feel better overall; my waist has gone down about 4 - 5 inches so far, and I will soon need to buy new pants.

      While I was never obese (and most people would have called me slim), I was definitely not in shape. It has been a hard road, but well worth it.

      Further to TFA discussion, having a device aid in your bulimia is IMHO not a good idea; while it may help reduce your caloric intake, it will not help encourage you to exercise (and may actively discourage it, since you are losing weight without getting in shape). Losing weight is great, but there is a lot more to an overall healthy lifestyle than just intake.

    109. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by ebh · · Score: 1

      Then why does bariatric surgery work?

    110. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by judoguy · · Score: 2
      Warning: Lots of quote marks ahead.

      It WANTS them because we've evolved to fatten up when food is plentiful so that we don't starve when food is scarce.

      Really? Says who? I love the presumption that we know what "cavemen" ate and why. Studies of contemporary hunter gatherer around the globe don't show this. In areas that haven't been wildly altered by the introduction of agriculture, these societies spend LESS time getting food than more "advanced" groups. When well meaning first worlders try to talk the Kalihari(sp) bushmen into growing stuff, they responded with incredulity asking why anyone would want to work that hard.

      The "We evolved to gorge" isn't supported by ANY research, but is rather the "obesity is the fault of prosperity" meme.

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    111. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by tool462 · · Score: 1

      to keep the obese from ruining social security ?

      Strictly speaking, the very obese tend to die very young from any number of diseases (heart disease, diabetes, etc). Since you can't start collecting SS until 65 or 67 or some other "really old" number, there are a good many who will never collect a single check.

      With that in mind, I'd like to present a solution to the problem of solvency in the SSA. As a "thank you" gift, the US gov't should send a bag of Cheetos and a six pack of Mountain Dew to every American who contributes to social security in a given month. People will feel like they're getting something for their taxes, and will trim that big fat baby boomer bubble off the SS payroll. America binged in the 50s. It's time for her to purge...

    112. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I disagree. I think we need to test this not needing calories thing. I suggest you go 2 weeks with no caloric intake and the return and tell us again that the body doesn't need calories.

    113. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by berashith · · Score: 1

      I dont see the relation. With a smaller stomach, then you wont be able to get the calories, and eventually the portion sizes get corrected. With this sideways puking device, you are always able to eat more and purge. Will it work? probably, but the behavior that caused the initial problem has been increased.

    114. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet, if you or any of those people ate less they would lose weight.

    115. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just making food more expensive would not be a good idea. Making junk food more expensive and healthier foods cheaper seems like a good first step. Better nutritional education is always good, too.

    116. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by kenj0418 · · Score: 1

      In my experience, ... The big dogs just sit on the periphery taking in the tolerable threshold of pain, all the time going grrrrr, grrrrr, grrrr, until the batteries in the collar fail

      Maybe the pet shop got your order wrong: "No I said Mastiff - not masochistic!"

    117. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Came here to say this, happy to see someone else beat me to it.

    118. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by iamhassi · · Score: 1

      to keep the obese from ruining social security ?

      Strictly speaking, the very obese tend to die very young from any number of diseases (heart disease, diabetes, etc). Since you can't start collecting SS until 65 or 67 or some other "really old" number, there are a good many who will never collect a single check.

      With that in mind, I'd like to present a solution to the problem of solvency in the SSA. As a "thank you" gift, the US gov't should send a bag of Cheetos and a six pack of Mountain Dew to every American who contributes to social security in a given month. People will feel like they're getting something for their taxes, and will trim that big fat baby boomer bubble off the SS payroll. America binged in the 50s. It's time for her to purge...

      True, but the money spent on treated their diabietes for years greatly exceeds anything they would collect from social security.

      I say reward people for losing weight and while we're at it stop giving people money to have more children. Tax breaks I get, but there are people that pay no taxes and are given govt aid for each kid they have. That's dumb, we are rewarding them for not being able to support their children.

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    119. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by danceswithtrees · · Score: 1

      This absurd tool/technology to allow you to eat more than you should reminds me of the debt ceiling debate in congress right now.

      1. Congress authorizes spending through laws and thereby controls spending.
      2. Various agencies spend the money that is authorized BY CONGRESS.
      3. Congress controls revenue by setting tax codes. (any shortfall, ie deficit, is their doing).
      4. Refuse to cover the difference.
      5. Default!!! (although I am sure some people will profit from this)

      Congress and people should have the foresight and control to plan and eat reasonably. Please note that I did not say spend responsibly because that is only part of the problem-- congress needs to tax AND spend responsibly.

    120. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by joebagodonuts · · Score: 1

      Social security is already ruined, and it wasn't the obese that did it.

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    121. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by kheldan · · Score: 1

      What this is, is one of the saddest signs of the times yet. Behold: A device that identifies the user as having absolutely ZERO personal discipline whatsoever, needing to pump their own stomachs rather than refrain from eating fattening foods and becoming/remaining obese. Word of this development actually made me want to vomit up my breakfast. Seriously, isn't it time to stop coddling these people? I personally (and quite literally) worked my ASS off learning how to control my weight, having topped out at 320lbs and now, being in complete control, being down to a muscular 190lbs. Stories like this infuriate me as much as the entire "fat acceptance" movement. I can hope that the FDA does not approve this device and that obese people will just knuckle down and learn to control themselves.

      Being modded down to -1 as "troll" or "flamebait" is expected; fire away, I really don't care. Someone has to keep calling these people out, as opposed to accepting the absurdity of obesity rates.

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    122. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Skadet · · Score: 1

      Morbid obesity is lighter than you think. 5' 10" 280 lbs. qualifies. (bmi 40+)

      That's a chubby person, don't get me wrong, but I think most of us think "circus sideshow fat" when we think of morbid obesity.

    123. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Professional dancers come to mind. Outside of that niche market, I don't know...

    124. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know of three people who have had it done, two ladies and one guy. One lady is back to being obese in spite of the surgery. The other lady is curvy but not fat. The guy looks like he has cancer because he's so thin now.

      In research, we would call these "case studies" and certainly not consider a sample of three to be conclusive, but I thought I'd bring up my only experiences with it just to provide some information.

    125. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (eg removing the foot before it hits the intestines) might not be a particularly good long term solution...

      I very much prefer the foot to be removed before it hits my intestines, thank you.

    126. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      I'm not arguing with the *principle* that non-medically trained people putting a tube down their throats is dangerous, but a naso-gastric (or oro-gastric) tube is, in essence, "swallowed" - it does not touch your larynx

      If done perfectly every time, maybe. But done by yourself with "hardware store tubing"? Yeah, I'm sure there would never be any mistakes or accidents with that, especially when done 2-3 times a day. Probably the same thing heroin addicts think when they are poking needles in their veins, because they never miss, either.

    127. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by jockm · · Score: 1

      Yes, the body does NEED calories. I mean you can get by without them for a little while, but you end up dying much sooner rather than later...

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    128. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by querist · · Score: 1

      Congratulations on the significant weight loss!

    129. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by balbus000 · · Score: 1

      Depends on the size of the target market.

      I'm guessing that the size of the target market is quite large.

    130. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I assume the size will be large to XXL.

    131. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by g0bshiTe · · Score: 2

      If you are disabled you can collect SS at any age. Truly obese people may be disabled due to their obesity.

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    132. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's inherently unhealthy about it? Bulimia is bad because of the damage that stomach acid does to your esophagus and teeth. The pump eliminates the issue. If you're talking about psychological health, no mechanical device is going to change a person's psychological disorders one way or the other. If you've got yourself a delusional body image, having a pump isn't going to change that.

    133. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by thoth · · Score: 1

      That's one of the downsides of the free market - the economy evolves for corporate profits, not necessarily for public good.
      It is more profitable to the corporations involves to extract subsidies, produce cheap low quality food (fast food industry), and treat the resultant health problems (health industry). It would be better for the population as a whole to eat better, but then profits go down for the fast food industry and the health industry.

    134. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

      Wrong question. How many people love eating, don't want to be fat, and think that this could possibly be a good or healthy idea?

      I think that last part will not go through a lot of folks minds. If it does, it could seem reasonable (on the surface) to think it's no less safe than being 100lbs overweight and morbidly obese.

      Assuming this thing gets FDA approval, I think the only question relating to it's success is "Will your insurance company pay for it". To that, I think the answer will most likely be no. It's still difficult to get established weight loss methods approved by a carrier, This thing will be in the realm of cosmetic surgery and other optional pay for it yourself type procedures. Again, that's IF it gets FDA approval. I think it will either be killed by the FDA and/or become something you have to get in a third world unregulated country.

    135. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      ...while we're at it stop giving people money to have more children. Tax breaks I get, but there are people that pay no taxes and are given govt aid for each kid they have.

      Actually, we should do away with the child tax credits too, hell, parents should pay MORE since their kids use up more resources. The way it is now, the single or couples with no kids are subsidizing those other peoples' kids.

      And no...I do not believe that any couple on the edge of deciding to have a kid, thought "Hey, I'll get a tax credit" and that was what tipped the scales for them to reproduce.

      People fuck, they have kids...tax breaks or no...

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    136. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by jahudabudy · · Score: 1

      The problem with the people for whom "willpower is not enough" is that they have spent years developing their current lifestyle habits. That is years of repeatedly giving in to their cravings, years of valuing instant gratification. In order to rebuild their willpower, they will have to spend years overcoming their urges, building different habits. Once you have trained yourself to react to instant gratification, restructuring your reward systems to value long term incremental benefits is a large task. Not only is it hard for these people to say no to their cravings for a bad diet, it is hard for them, at the necessary fundamental level, to value the benefit of putting forth that effort. They literally lack the willpower to begin developing the willpower to deny their food cravings.

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    137. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by hex+socket · · Score: 1

      The research i've read says that you grow additional fat cells when your intake exceeds your expenditure, and your fat cells empty when your expenditure exceeds your intake.

      This is not quite correct. While it is true that childhood obesity increases the number of fat cells (hyperplasia of adipocytes) this is usually not seen in adults. Adult obesity is usually characterized by hypertrophy of adipocytes, or in plain language, an increase in the size of existing fat cells. There is usually not hyperplasia of adipocytes in obese adults.

      (Yes, there are exceptions. Yes, we see both hyperplasia & hypertrophy of adipocytes in childhood obesity. The point is that obese adults usually do not develop new fat cells.)

    138. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by sjames · · Score: 1

      It's NEW and IMPROVED bulimia now with surgical and infection risks! Try it NOW!

    139. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Endlisnis · · Score: 1

      How is will-power not enough? The only situation that I can think of where will power would not be enough to lose weight would involve a robot shoving food down your throat. If it's your hand that shovels food into your mouth, then it's your will power that can prevent it. There are many medical conditions that make it more difficult to lose weight, but no matter what condition you have, if you eat less than you burn, you WILL LOSE WEIGHT! (unless someone changed the laws of thermodynamics when I wasn't looking).

    140. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do not think you know very much about food, cost, poor nutrition, eating habits, or the effects of socio-economics on any of the preceding. Particularly as you seem to think that raising the cost will cause people to eat better. It won't. The cheapest foods are often the worst for you. TV dinners are dirt cheap. You will just end up with more people who can't afford to feed themselves. Then more people on food stamps and at food banks.

    141. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Officially I am obese (since BMI is how we measure these things) at a gigantic 34" waste. I wonder how much of our obesity problem is because of how flawed BMI is.

    142. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Guppy · · Score: 1

      The slogan "willpower is not enough" needs to go. Willpower is not enough to safely stop a speeding train or divert a tornado. Willpower _is_ enough to put down a fork. Whether a person presently has enough willpower to do so is another question but of the many challenges in life that fundamentally cannot be met by willpower alone, dieting is not one of them.

      Of course willpower works. For truly iron-willed individuals, it is possible. Just as it is possible for an individual to quit addictive drugs, smoking, or alcohol by force of will alone. Just say no. Seems so simple, right?

      Willpower is the reason every single fad diet can be shown to "work" by its promoters. Individuals can and will loose weight when they put their minds to it. But as weeks become months become years, how many individuals have the iron will that sort of permanent campaign requires? I myself am of normal weight, without ever having had to exert significantly to stay that way -- so I don't have the experience personally. But as a medical student with a public health background, I've been watching people who do have to constantly work hard at it.

      Willpower is kind of like a quantum property. It exists on the level of the particle, and is absolutely vital in understanding its properties. But take a large enough ensemble of them, and *poof* it disappears, even though for every component of ensemble, the original property still exists. From my spiritual viewpoint, I believe each individual has some unique power of will that flows forth from the fountain of one's soul, ineffable and incalculable by the statistics of science. But from my public health viewpoint, an averaged population of individuals have an average level of will, and their actions are entirely predictable (on average, at least :P ). And society as a whole experiences that average cost in mortality and morbidity.

      From a scientific standpoint, we have numerous studies that span years or even decades, on the topic of dieting. We have since moved on from the early cross-section surveys that guided the science of diet in the early days -- we now have prospective cohort trials and randomized controlled trials, that have pitted different types of diets against each other (I've seen studies on low-carb-high-meat diets, weight watchers, balanced "DASH" diets, and many others; popular strategies have been compared to each other at some point). We have trials that followed patients who were provided with enormous amounts of education and support, to see if it made any difference.

      And it does make a difference -- but not enough. There are often statistically significant differences in behavior that vary with the approach used, or the level of support or education provided. But for any study that extends far enough, we see initial success for many, followed by some who will retain a portion of their hard-earned progress long-term, but a consistently large fraction who eventually regain their lost weight. At this point, we are starting to sound like the Abstinence Only crowd: "If only people would stop fucking/eating, our problems would be solved!"

    143. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "unpuked vomit" = chyme

    144. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by fractoid · · Score: 1
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    145. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Rhacman · · Score: 1

      And what you describe is the tougher problem to face in the short term, but with the most potential gain in the long term. When I think of the challenges my grandparents faced in their lives I'm always overwelmed at the sheer amount of willpower they displayed in overcoming their obstacles. The human capacity for willpower is astounding and yes, sometimes ones willpower comes up short but that breaking point is a far higher mark than I think people even give themselves credit for. Sometimes we need help from others in order to do so, but I strongly believe that it is within everyones power to make an improvement in their lives.

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    146. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, but the same benefits can be achieved via do-it-yourself nasogastric intubation, using a length of latex tubing and a hand-pump from the hardware store. No surgery, no inter-abdominal infection vector, no awkward situations in the bedroom or airport, and a total investment equivalent to a plateful of cheeseburgers.

      Or you could, you know... just eat less in the first place.

    147. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by FishTankX · · Score: 1

      It's possible that if they get used to it they may be able to get out themselves.

      If you had a special facility for it, you could probably put an elevator platform at the pool. And the elevator platform would descend into the pool, and you stand on it and let it elevate you out.

      But I remember when I was watching too fat for 15, the 500+ pound girl Tanisha said she really enjoyed swimming. So I admit, it's definatley an option for the overweight to excercise.

      I also agree that food needs to be kept under control. But the vicious cycle needs to be broken somehow. Being fat leads to loss of self esteem which, most mega-obese people deal with by eating. The cycle needs to stop just before the eating part, probably counseling and support is just as important as diet for an ultimate, permanent solution.

    148. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course willpower works. For truly iron-willed individuals, it is possible.
      ...
      Willpower is the reason every single fad diet can be shown to "work" by its promoters.

      You can cheat on your diet. If you lack the willpower to stick to it, go ahead and have that snack. Just be honest about it and don't say "that diet doesn't work."

    149. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meat doesn't make you fat. Cheap carbs like pasta make you fat.

    150. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Meat doesn't make you fat. Cheap carbs like pasta make you fat.

      Too many calories make you fat, and fat packs a higher calorie density than carbs. So if you eat a lot of high-fat meats it can certainly make you fat. Stick to lean meats.

    151. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK, that's just dumb.

    152. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Rhacman · · Score: 1

      The moment we come to the conclusion that willpower isn't enough... it isn't.

      Besides, I didn't argue that willpower is _always_ enough, I only argued that the perspective conveyed by the slogan is self defeating. I'm trying to argue that we stop framing the debate such that a person has a set amount of willpower and when it is exhausted they are defeated. Willpower can be improved like anything else and I argue that we look at willpower as a quality that with sufficient improvement will overcome the challenge.

      You can treat obesity by looking for ways to give people the strength to improve themselves or you can make a machine to pump their stomach. One treats the problem at the root, the other treats the symptom. One leaves the person with the strength to confront personal challenges, the other leaves them with a bag of puke. I realize that the choice between the two is a matter of opinion, and so rather than impose my will any further I'll allow the reader to choose for themselves.

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    153. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by calmdude · · Score: 1

      The nasty side effect is that when food is always plentiful, and we don't have the discipline to consciously manage our energy intake to sustain a healthy weight, then we blimp up.

      It's glandular! People have varying levels of goldfish DNA.

    154. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      Some would start losing muscle and/or immunity faster than they lose fat. That could turn ugly at some point far before they reach in the ballpark of healthy weight.

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    155. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      free market

      subsidies

      ??? Is it supposed to be funny? Or just stupid?

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    156. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1,000,000

    157. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by VanessaE · · Score: 1

      I had the same surgery (Roux-en-Y) about 8 months ago and I can vouch for how difficult a path it can be.

      That said, I have dropped around 100 pounds so far since then, and it just keeps falling off as long as I don't get stupid. I don't react nearly as severely as she does to the wrong foods ("dumping syndrome"), but I still react, so I also had to learn what not to eat, where my limits are, etc.

      On the one hand, it's not super hard to eat too much, but I feel like crap if I do. On the other hand, it's fairly easy to get the protein I need, provided I have enough of the appropriate foods on hand in the first place (eating right is comparatively expensive).

      As for "nasty" protein shakes, she just needs to switch to a better brand. I use one I got at wally world called "Body Fortress" [*], peanut butter/chocolate flavor. Add two scoops of that to 6-8 ice cubes, a cup of milk, one or two spoonfuls of peanut butter, and blend until smooth. The result is quite enjoyable, takes forever to drink, it's thick, and keeps me sated for hours, sometimes all day. I'd prefer solid food of course, but when I have to resort to liquids, this is the best combination I've come up with.

      It bothers me somewhat that I'm still able to eat more than I should, but it's far easier than it ever was to simply eat less, and what I do eat doesn't get nearly as much of a chance to absorb as it used to.

      Plus, losing that much weight makes it possible for me to get up and around more - I've given up using my wheelchair around the house, for example.

      THIS is why weight loss surgery works.

      [*] I am not associated with this product. I just happen to buy it because it's the least expensive of the options available to me here, and it is palatable when mixed as above.

    158. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      I'll take three, one for each meal.

      Actually there is a new study for weight loss that says Binge on alternate days, and eat very light meals the next day.
      The article was written up by Sharon Kirkey PostMeda News and appeared in the Montreal Gazette of today, Jan15th, 2013.
      Feast-then-famine diet lowers weight: Study

      The full write up was about a University Prof who wrote up his findings in the journal of Metabolism.

      So, perhaps the stomach pump is only required on alternate days.

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    159. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So try loving eating quality, not quantity. You obviously have a mental disorder.

    160. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Yep... and I know people who've had the stomach-stapling done, lost a LOT of weight, then learned how to eat more or less continuously (and put up with the discomfort) to make up for the reduced volume... and soon gained all the weight back. Same principle.

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    161. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Get your thyroid checked. Chronic fatigue with weight gain is a redflag for hypothyroidism, and can happen even in the "normal" range for TSH. Low dose of NDT can work wonders.

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    162. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Duh

    163. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by CHIT2ME · · Score: 1

      This will never replace the bulimia bucket. When I'm in a restaurant (especially an all-you-can-eat buffet) and I'm stuffed to the gills, when the waitress comes around and asks me if there is anything else she/he can get for me, I say; "yes! a bulimia bucket and a clean plate please. This has the added benefit of clearing out the crowded tables near you so that you have more room to once again stuff your face!

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    164. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      Willpower can be improved like anything else and I argue that we look at willpower as a quality that with sufficient improvement will overcome the challenge

      Yes, and guess what one needs to improve this willpower? Willpower. A deadlock if ever I saw one.

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    165. Re:Isn't this just bulimia? by Jesrad · · Score: 1

      If that was true

      It is true, as duly reported by athropologists, like theo ne I cited above. Within the same regions, the primitive farmers are more often victims of famine than their hunter-gatherer cousins living next door.

      then why was agriculture even invented?

      Because it allowed for planning and higher population density, in particular a much higher number of children.

      how did agriculture based communities overtake hunter-gatherers in population, if there was no scarcity of food?

      See the previous point. More population growth leads to morel and needed to sustain it, which is why agricultural peoples spread themselves, conquering the lands of hunter-gatherers until they had pushed them all onto least useable land.

      Do you think people would spend that much energy if food was plentiful?

      Surveys done by anthropologists show that both hunter-gatherers and primitive farmers spend about 20-24 hours of their week working at "producing" food, with a slight advantage in raw number of calories (2140 daily average) and much bigger advantage in terms of food diversity (upwards of 70 different plant and animal sources) going for the hunter-gatherers.

      Switching to farming is not a matter of work spent (apart from the food diversity it's pretty much the same), it's a matter of being able to plan for the future and especially plan for feeding more children as well as securing food supplies in case of a catastrophe such as the Great Thawing Up of 15000 B.C.

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  2. The Roman Way by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

    I'd rather do it the Roman way - stuff myself silly and drink until dawn, than just vomit it all up...

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    1. Re:The Roman Way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Join a college fraternity.

    2. Re:The Roman Way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That only happened once, because they would be killed if they didn't finish eating.

    3. Re:The Roman Way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a common myth based on the existence of a "vomitorium". But the "vomitorium" was actually just the exit from a sports stadium.

      You can't vomit regularly; you get ulcers, it becomes extremely painful, and it destroys your esophagus and your teeth.

    4. Re:The Roman Way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You can't vomit regularly; you get ulcers, it becomes extremely painful, and it destroys your esophagus and your teeth.

      It's as if nature were trying to tell us something...

    5. Re:The Roman Way by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1, Interesting

      That's a common myth based on the existence of a "vomitorium". But the "vomitorium" was actually just the exit from a sports stadium.

      Yes, "Anonymous Coward", I too read the Wikipedia article, which has little to do with the well known Roman custom.

      You can't vomit regularly; you get ulcers, it becomes extremely painful, and it destroys your esophagus and your teeth.

      Clearly you were not in a fraternity.

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    6. Re:The Roman Way by Intropy · · Score: 3, Funny

      He said Roman, not Greek.

    7. Re:The Roman Way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      which has little to do with the well known Roman custom.

      It may be well known, but it isn't true.

    8. Re:The Roman Way by pev · · Score: 1

      Well, it's nice in principle. But I'm not convinced.

      Did you know that bullimia (lets call it what it is) will rot your teeth super quick? It'll also give you heartburn like you wouldn't believe. Most importantly though it will shaft the electrolyte balance in your body ; this can (will) eventually cause problems like muscle weaknesses, irregular heartbeat and possibly heart attacks etc.

      AS the romans would say : "Caveat Emptor".

    9. Re:The Roman Way by felipekk · · Score: 1

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_common_misconceptions

      "Vomiting was not a regular part of Roman dining customs.[2]"

    10. Re:The Roman Way by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

      And exactly how is the myth you're exposing 'well known'? Is it because of Saturday Night Live?

      I know you are a notorious troll but this one was weak. There is no evidence that there was any common practice of what amounts to bulimia in Ancient Rome, but I'm pretty sure you know this.

       

    11. Re:The Roman Way by rmdingler · · Score: 1

      I have been reading and reading, waiting for the feather reference....WIKI says no!

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    12. Re:The Roman Way by skine · · Score: 1

      It always pains me when someone is smart enough to dismiss one bit of false common knowledge, but then resorts to another.

      It is true that the vomitorium is where people exit from a theater or stadium.

      However, ulcers are caused by bacteria, not stress or vomiting.

  3. Or you could just eat less by Osgeld · · Score: 1

    maybe drink more water so you feel full?

    1. Re:Or you could just eat less by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Simple way to lose weight: drink 1-2 glasses of water (16oz+) BEFORE you eat anything. Start all meals by chugging a bunch of water and you will feel fuller sooner and not desire to eat as much. Of course, this doesn't address the nutritional value of your diet, but if you are seriously over weight and need to lose some, this will probably work if you stick to it.

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    2. Re:Or you could just eat less by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, most people already do this. Unfortunately their idea of water is 50g of sugar per serving beverage.

    3. Re:Or you could just eat less by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would this mess with your digestion by diluting your stomach acid?

    4. Re:Or you could just eat less by gay358 · · Score: 1

      And before eating anything else, you should start by eating vegetables with low amount of energy, like cucumber, lettuce etc. And do it without pouring enormous amounts of fatty salad dressings on top of them.

      And you should stop eating before your stomach is full. It is enough to eat as much to take away the hunger. And you should use small drinking glasses, plates etc, because it helps to keep the amount of food you eat lower.

      And if this doesn't help, start calculating calories and changing the content of food and drinks to something that has less calories (and take smaller amounts of them). Laws of nature guarantee that you lose weight if you just cut enough the amount of calories you get from your food and drinks. It is just question of making this more pleasant, by choosing right kind of food, that helps take away your hunger without a lot of calories.

    5. Re:Or you could just eat less by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A glass of water is 8 oz. Drinking too much water puts an imbalance in your electrolytes and my cause you to be hungry.

    6. Re:Or you could just eat less by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Would this mess with your digestion by diluting your stomach acid?

      That's not a problem if the goal is to lose weight.

      For similar reasons I never understood the logic of nutritionists who ask fat people to chew the food properly so as to digest it better.

      I can understand if the reason is to slow down the consumption so that the stomach has time to send signals to your brain that it is full, but digest food better? You want to slow your consumption? Drink plain water during and after eating. Don't drink too much or you'll feel ill instead of full.

      Anyway half of it is genetic and the other half is taking too much sugar and sweet stuff (I won't be surprised if the artificial sweeteners screw up your metabolism too).

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      ...Or you could just eat less...

      I eat, i feel so [IHATEMYSELF] happy...mmmm...pain....go...away...I'm..full...not...EMPTY..aahhhhh....something...eat...NOW...even just a wafer thin slice of will power...NO...the...EMPTY...afraid...EAT...MORE...happy...why..is..life..so...empty....EAT MORE FOOD...happy..so feel i, eat I

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    8. Re:Or you could just eat less by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Simple way to lose weight: drink 1-2 glasses of water (16oz+)

      Would those be fluid ounces, Troy weight, apothecary's weight, or Avoirdupois? Try figuring out in your head the respective amounts before eating, and you'll lose stones like anything.

    9. Re:Or you could just eat less by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The digestive process begins with the teeth. Food that isn't adequately digested passes through the digestive system as waste. Since the undigested waste food isn't absorbed, the body needs more food to compensate for the lack of nutrients absorbed through the digestive system. Simply taking the time to chew each mouthful allows the rest of the digestive system to break the food down into the nutrients to be absorbed in the gut.

  4. Well, this is lovely. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let the great global in-home vomitoriums commence!

  5. Name: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    BULI - O-MATIC

  6. Did You Think, Maybe... by Greyfox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just not eat all those cheeseburgers in the first place? Hah! Crazy talk, I know!

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    1. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure that actually occurs to people.

      I've seen many folks 100+ pounds overweight who complain about their weight and all the health problems they have resultingly, but cant seem to understand that eating the massive number of calories they do is WHY they are fat. It's like in their minds there's some magic farie who adds fat to their body, and it's nothing at all to do with their caloric intake.

    2. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by Jmc23 · · Score: 0, Troll
      Well, there are those fat people who it does occur to but are two stupid to understand that you need a certain amount of fat and calories, so their bodies go into starvation mode and they stay fat living like a bird.

      Then again, it takes all kinds of stupid people, like stupid people like you who don't realize there is more than one reason people are fat.

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    3. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by mug+funky · · Score: 1

      starvation mode is remarkably efficient if you stop eating completely.

      of course, this wont guarantee the weight stays off.

      so... how about seeing a doctor, nutritionist and figuring out just what diet (and exercise regimen) is likely to work?

    4. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh, so that's why everyone in Auschwitz was so plump and chunky! They were all in "starvation mode" and eating like birds! Now it makes sense! I thought maybe they were just big boned!

    5. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by SternisheFan · · Score: 4, Informative
      When you are in 'starvation mode', your body saves every calorie it gets so that it can be burned later. This is an evolutionay trait from when humans went for long periods between meals. You might not get to chase down and successfully kill another deer for months.

      When your body has consistent meals for about thirty days or so, your body 'learns' that it is now 'okay' to begin burning extra calories again.

    6. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There's pretty much just one reason people get fat: calories in through all sources exceed calories burned through all sinks (including internal metabolic ones).

      There's no magic involved. The laws of thermodynamics apply: human bodies do not create mass from nothing.

    7. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by MightyMartian · · Score: 0

      Brought to you by "Tales From The Bathroom Mirror"

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    8. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by russotto · · Score: 1

      so... how about seeing a doctor, nutritionist and figuring out just what diet (and exercise regimen) is likely to work?

      Because they have no clue either? And further when you're fooling yourself, you can fool your doctor or nutritionist just as easily. (Well, they might not believe you, but contradicting you won't help).

    9. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Brought to you by "Tales From The Bathroom Mirror"

      And with that, MightyMartian self-identifies himself as a fattie. Aww, look isn't that just so CUTE! He has fat rage! I know dear, how DARE anybody suggest that you bear any responsibility whatsoever for the life you have chosen. The nerve!

      You better get back at them by suggesting they have the same problem, even though they just demonstrated knowledge that people who overeat don't actually have. Oh, I see you already did that.

    10. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There's pretty much just one reason people get fat: calories in through all sources exceed calories burned through all sinks (including internal metabolic ones).

      Thyroid disease.

    11. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by pepty · · Score: 1

      It turns out that if you've lost more than about 10% of your body weight that you've had for a long time your body goes into starvation mode even if you do eat that certain amount of fat and calories. Starvation mode (i.e., appetite related hormonal changes normally associated with starvation) kicks in with weight loss and stays around for a year or more even if you are eating normally.

    12. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by 0111+1110 · · Score: 2

      And then there are people too stupid to realize that there is a limit to how efficient your body can be and that the idea of "starvation mode" is a myth. The body can make use of calories with some greater efficiency, but not to any sort of order of magnitude. Starvation diets do work. At least for a while. They don't stop working because the body has become more efficient at deriving energy from food. They stop working because the people on them just can't take them anymore. The most weight I've ever lost in a short period of time was by only eating with a skinny friend of mine and only eating exactly the same amount that he ate. The night time cravings for snacking on things like cookies was immense, but if he didn't eat I didn't eat and it worked very very well.

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    13. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by NIK282000 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      There are many reasons for people to be fat but the ONLY mechanism is cramming your face with calories. Regardless of glands, mental health or family history you body cant just pull mass out of fat air, it needs to be fed. An intelligent diet and exercise are the cheapest and best solution to America's weight problem. Unless the person is not in charge of their own diet then there is no one to blame for their 300lb ass but themselves.

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    14. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by NIK282000 · · Score: 1

      Have you ever seen a fat skeleton? Yeah, me neither.

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    15. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      I'd probably counter your diatribe with something witty. But then that would take effort, and I think i'ts likely wasted on someone with the mentality of an eight year old and the social skills of a flatulent middle aged coke-snorting stripper.

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    16. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm, maybe we can harness the process at work in thyroid disease to reduce our dependence on energy imports or perhaps even build perpetual motion machine?

    17. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by fredgiblet · · Score: 1

      "flatulent middle aged coke-snorting stripper"

      Damn it, I didn't need any more fetishes!

    18. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by countach · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes exactly. People use this "starvation mode" thing as an excuse. When I'm having trouble losing weight, I go back to first principles: If I don't put calories into my body, I will lose weight. Works every time.

    19. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by Jmc23 · · Score: 1

      Apparently you don't know the difference between not eating and eating very little.

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    20. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Telling people that starving themselves is a bad and ineffective way of losing weight is an important message. It is ineffective because (1) your body becomes very efficient at using calories, so that you'll gain weight based on very little food, (2) you'll feel so miserable and such a strong urge to eat that you will do anything to get food, and (3) when you start eating regularly again, you'll gain weight rapidly as your body makes up for it. Starvation diets don't work. Sorry if that bit of science exceeds what your mind can deal with.

      Making some irrelevant dig in response about the horrors of the Nazi regime is outrageous. And in case you don't get the difference, Holocaust victims had Nazi guards with guns preventing them from eating, and they also suffered horrible medical consequences as a result of their ordeal, if they survived at all. Presumably, you don't use Nazi guards as a diet aid, and the goal of dieting is to get healthier, not to suffer a lifetime of medical problems.

    21. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by hawkinspeter · · Score: 1

      Pictures please

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    22. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      It's not an option for some people. The lack of energy and distraction from hunger impacts their work. A long term controlled diet is usually a better bet, and more likely to keep the weight down.

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    23. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's pretty much just one reason people get fat: calories in through all sources exceed calories burned

      That might be true if the body didn't excrete and if it weren't mostly water. But it does and it is, making that a simplification that's misguided.
      The fat storing process is triggered by insulin, which in turn is triggered by sugar. When that process begins it stores fat and a whole lot of water, meaning the weight gain will far exceed the calories consumed. Eating nothing but donuts, for instance, will pack on the fat, while consuming the same number of calories but no sugars will result in no fat gain at all.

    24. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      The night time cravings for snacking on things like cookies was immense, but if he didn't eat I didn't eat and it worked very very well.

      Did you have any problems sleeping? I sometimes have experienced that if I don't eat well enough before going to bed, those little cookie cravings come up and impact my sleep.

    25. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      What people confuse is that by going into an extreme low-calorie diet, the rate at which you burn calories goes down: your body lowers the base metabolism to save calories.

      This, however, is emphatically not the same as not burning calories at all. You are right, not eating or eating very little is a definite way to lose weight.

      The problem comes with adjusting your diet and lifestyle after you hit your target weight. If you don't adjust your lifestyle and return to your previous diet, all that happens is that your base metabolism will go up, and the excess calories will not be burnt but stored as fat again. This is the cause of the infamous bounceback after a diet.

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    26. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Communist! Socialist! How dare you suggest we don't support our local international megacorporations in these times of economic hardship!

    27. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But then that would take effort

      Typical tubby excuse.

    28. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, it's so easy, everybody can do it, except for 60+% of the American population. But let's keep doing things the way you advocate, because that's been really super effective so far!

    29. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by RedK · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh please, the body is not some kind of magic entity that can ignore the laws of physics. Your body needs energy to function and the calories you consume are that energy. Your metabolism can slow down to some extent, but it's not as drastic as you say. "Starvation mode" is simply what the people who binge in secret tell you. Adjust your caloric intake to under or just at your base metabolism and you will lose weight, your body won't magically start running on hopes and dreams while it stores calories.

      The opposite is true, your body doesn't "burn the extra calories" either, it stores them. That's how you gain weight. The plain fact is, the only way to lose weight is to consume less calories than you burn. No magic hocus pocus, no "starvation mode", no nothing. The more you consume, the more you need to burn. And aside from a few big name athletes, exercise will burn less than your base metabolism anyhow (my base metabolism is at about 1700-1750 calories/day last time I had it measured).

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    30. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      pull mass out of fat air

      I used to go this restaurant, it was smoke house and creamery (interesting combination).

      Well the air was so think with sugar from all the ice cream they were making you could taste sweet anytime you opened your mouth. Which made the otherwise sour NC style BBQ really really good. You'd start to feel full just standing waiting for a table.

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    31. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      The thing that works best for me is lots of walking. I love walking and even though it does not use many calories on its own the activity raises metabolism in general.

      The other thing is you want to cut the calories so that you are a little bit hungry. You should feel like "I could eat" while on a diet but not so staved its a distraction as you say. If you feel like you are starving you probably are stressing your bodies ability to manage blood sugar etc, and that does likely impair you mentally. People need to keep in mind its a long game too, figure out what number of calories you need to maintain your current weight and probably don't try to target more than 200 to 300 below that. The weight will come off if you keep at it.

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    32. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by blueg3 · · Score: 1

      Oh please, the body is not some kind of magic entity that can ignore the laws of physics. Your body needs energy to function and the calories you consume are that energy. Your metabolism can slow down to some extent, but it's not as drastic as you say.

      Your normal base metabolic rate is much higher than the amount of energy your body actually needs to function. Your metabolic rate can easily be cut in half if you limit your caloric intake enough.

    33. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by am+2k · · Score: 1

      The plain fact is, the only way to lose weight is to consume less calories than you burn. No magic hocus pocus, no "starvation mode", no nothing. The more you consume, the more you need to burn.

      It doesn't have to be that simple. The body might need multiple components to be able to store the energy in permanent storage. That could be a reason for the low carbs diets supposedly working better.

      Of course, it's really hard to tell, since there's a huge financial incentive here for snakeoil, and people "researching" the topic mostly aren't more sophisticated than homeopaths (or are one themselves). A diet working for one person might not work with another, just because there was a separate factor they didn't think about. For example, the trophology approach works for some, even though it's been proven to be absolute bullsh*t on a scientific level. I suspect that the reason is that people who do that start to actively track all the sh*t they're eating, and thus simply eat less.

      However, my personal experience is that when I do less exercise (due to health-related issues), my weight goes down. When I start again, it bounces back to the previous level. When I permanently increase the amount of exercise, my weight goes up permanently. People tell me that's because my muscle mass changes without the fat adjusting, but does anyone really know?

    34. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by Qzukk · · Score: 1

      Your metabolism can slow down to some extent, but it's not as drastic as you say.

      I'm not fat, I'm carbing up for the 2020 marathon I'm going to run.

      I suspect that it's more drastic than you think.

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    35. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quite true. I always find it strange that a lot of people, particularly fatties who feel the need to completely eliminate personal responsibility from the equation, are compelled to try to explain their problems in pseudo-scientific terms, and yet they fail to mention the only scientific fact that matters in this whole deal: Reynolds transport theorem.

      The truth is, the body can be modelled as a closed system, and once it account for the difference between what goes in and what goes out, you get what stays in the system. This is all that is needed to know why people get fat, and what it will take to get unfat. But fatties don't want to be told that. They want to be told, and tell the world, that they have absolutely zero responsibility and influence in their fatness. God wills it, and that's enough of an explanation for them.

    36. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      Exactly. This is why starvation diets don't work. You'll lose some weight (mostly water weight), but then when you eat again your metabolism has slowed down and your body will store the "extra" until the "famine" ends.

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    37. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by MangoCats · · Score: 2

      There's this persistent myth that people are in control of what they choose to do.

      People are much closer to their animal ancestors than is commonly acknowledged, and that's not an altogether bad thing.

    38. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      Your metabolism can change and it can affect how your body consumes energy. If you eat slightly less calories than your body needs to function *AND* you exercise, you can successfully offset the metabolism change and lose weight. If you stay couch-potato-esque and just skip lunch and dinner every day, though, your body will go into "famine mode" and cut back on calorie burning as much as it can. You'll lose some weight (mostly water weight) but will pack it back on and more once you start eating again. That's why starvation diets don't work and are a bad idea.

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    39. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really,
      I believed that bullshit until I started collecting data. 6'2", weigh 220 lbs, averaging 1637 calories per day for the last 5 months. Started weight lifting (roughly 2 times a week) and cardio (2-3 times a week), average estimated weekly calorie burn (which is much more bullshit than calories in food) is 2327 calories/week for the same period.

      Weight loss? Statistically insignificiant. Yes, a healthy shit is more effective at changing my weight than dieting and exercise. I hurt more, My waist, according to the fucking air force hasn't shrunk, and I've lost 2.3 lbs, given a 2 week moving average. Weight loss is a lie. My weight and waist size were stable before I started this dieting bullshit, and I hurt a lot less when I didn't do any cardio.

    40. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by Greyfox · · Score: 1

      If that's true, than pumping all those cheeseburgers out isn't going to help anyway, is it? And yet the implication is that it does! But from a strictly CS perspective (I wasn't going to be a doctor because I don't like squishy biological things,) you're doing an add and then a subtract. Your process needs refactoring. That's all I'm saying. If you're in a situation where you need to take cheeseburgers out (via a non-OEM output mechanism,) it's much more sensible to just not put cheeseburgers in to begin with! It's like you did your root cause analysis, correctly identified the cause of the problem, and then chose a massively complex solution to what should have been a simple fix. It's as if one of my previous managers had come up with it!

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    41. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Actually the nutritionists and doctors who have been giving them bad advice for decades also share a big part of the blame. That includes the USDA and their stupid food pyramid (but they are the Department of Agriculture not Health so no surprise their priorities are a tad different). The restaurants and food industry providing super huge portions, low fat + high sugar also aren't helping (esp when combined with typical parents training their kids to finish up everything on their plate even if they feel full). Then there's the education system.

      Not all rich countries have a big obesity problem: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_obe-health-obesity
      So why are they different? You can put some blame on the individuals, but when a whole country is full of obese people doesn't it make you wonder what else is going wrong? Not all those fat obese people are stupid, I see plenty of smart fat people. So who has been feeding their minds and thus bodies with garbage?

      The people who say "it's simple" and just a matter of calories are also to blame. Because it is NOT simple. Not all calories are the same. Anyone who thinks so should try filling up a gasoline car with diesel or vice versa. If there's a difference for something relatively simple like a combustion engine, it is stupid to assume that there's no difference for human metabolism. We don't digest cellulose well, but glucose goes in pretty fast (along with simple starches), fructose is mainly processed by the liver, alcohol by liver and brain, protein needs to be broken down to amino acids, and not all proteins are easily digested. And certain foods make you fart (and if you fart methane it means yet more calories are escaping ;) ).

      From what I see only a few nutritionists or scientists do studies where they measure the shit that comes out from their test subjects. The rest measure what goes in, oxygen consumed or exercise done and a few other things but they don't measure the excreted shit or its caloric value. So their studies are flawed.

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    42. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The thing that works best for me is lots of walking.

      I agree, I used to be near my ideal weight thanks to doing lots of walking. Then the arthritis and CFS kicked in and I can't do it any more, but back then it definitely worked.

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    43. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So when your body saves every calorie it gets, where does it get energy to do things like breathe, walk, think, ride a bike, go jogging, lift weights, etc?

    44. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by Jmc23 · · Score: 1
      Well, if you look closely , pretty much all western medicine is a massively complex solution to what basically boils down as to people not understanding and not being able to maintain their bodies.

      It's why I'm inventing a new religious text. Only this time, instead of just outlawing things, it'll scientifically explained why it's a sin, and why certain sins are worse for certain people. After all, sin isn't something that's inherently 'evil' it is something that may cause harm. You, in fact, can say that we are all born sinners for the simple fact that babies tend to put anything and everything in their mouth. It'll be CC and every fact open for review and discussion.

      My dream would be that eventually it would replace the mindless stupidity that school has become. People no longer need to be walking databases, that's what we have the internet for. It's time we spent a significant portion of a persons early years guiding people to discover their current talents and limitations, their way of learning, and applying that while learning how your physical, mental, emotional aspects work, how they alert you to problems, what their individual needs are, etc...

      If we raise humans to be humans instead of specialized tools the world will be a different place.

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    45. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Presumably, you don't use Nazi guards as a diet aid

      I think I see a new business opportunity! Quick, call in the Germans!

    46. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by xeromist · · Score: 2

      Did anyone do a body fat percentage baseline before you started?(They usually use calipers in a couple of places) Muscle weighs more than fat so if you're lifting and building muscle through exercise then the scale is terrible measure of success. Even if you haven't lost in your waistline you've probably lost more than 2.3lbs of fat and just replaced it with muscle.

      If nothing has changed then I too would question the efficacy, but if you are at all stronger, faster, or have better stamina then you are healthier than when you started regardless of what the scale or your waistline says.

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    47. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by Hatta · · Score: 0

      An intelligent diet and exercise are the cheapest and best solution to America's weight problem.

      That would require intelligent Americans. Now you begin to see the depth of this problem.

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    48. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by Hatta · · Score: 1

      You should contact Stockholm. You just disproved the law of conservation of energy. Either that, or your math is wrong. But how likely is that?

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    49. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And aside from a few big name athletes, exercise will burn less than your base metabolism anyhow (my base metabolism is at about 1700-1750 calories/day last time I had it measured).

      The thing is that the body can bullshit around base metabolism: crank it down, resulting in being constantly cold and craving etc etc. Weight loss through diet will fuck with your metabolism quite a bit.

      Exercise, in contrast, is simple physics. The body can't reduce the amount of energy it spends mechanically. And it can't even mess too much with the base metabolism while exercising short of letting you just faint.

    50. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Body fat percentage is a better measure for your situation. Muscle is about three times as dense as fat. What I suspect is happening is that your body is replacing fat with muscle, so you're not losing as much weight as you think you'd lose. 2.3 lbs in two weeks is a nice safe rate at which to lose weight, and losing at a slower rate has been shown to increase the chances of keeping it off.

      Keep up the good work, and if the Air Force thinks you're overweight, request a water displacement body fat test. The measurements are only an approximation and can be wrong in certain cases. The impedance measurement can be fooled a few ways, too, so you don't really want them to use that. The height-weight charts are only officially GUIDELINES. The body fat is the actual standard. It is entirely possible to be "overweight" and within the body fat limits, especially if you're male and your body fat is in single digits or not too much higher than single digits. (e.g. 11% body fat may show up as overweight on the height weight charts if you're particularly muscular.)

    51. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by 0111+1110 · · Score: 1

      What people confuse is that by going into an extreme low-calorie diet, the rate at which you burn calories goes down: your body lowers the base metabolism to save calories.

      Citation needed.

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    52. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      A decrease in food intake can lower the metabolic rate as the body tries to conserve energy.

      Wikipedia

      And do note that that particular paragraph carries citations.

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    53. Re:Did You Think, Maybe... by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      "Starvation mode" is simply what the people who binge in secret tell you. Adjust your caloric intake to under or just at your base metabolism and you will lose weight, your body won't magically start running on hopes and dreams while it stores calories.

      Starvation mode is a (incorrect*) short hand way to describe what your body does when it realizes calories aren't coming in.
      Normally our gut is ~80%** efficient at absorbing calories.
      When our bodies notice caloric restriction, that number increases to ~90%.

      So out of 3000 calories, we're only really absorbing 2400 (3000*.8)
      Subtract 10% and, out of 2700 calories, we should absorb 2160 (2700*.8),
      but since the avg body becomes more efficient, it actually absorbs 2430 calories (2700*.9)

      Cut calories, gain weight.
      Fucking rediculous isn't it?

      *actual starvation mode involves going through ketosis/ketoacidosis and then burning muscle tissue
      **this is an average across all food types. We're super efficient at processing fat and much worse at absorbing fiber

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  7. So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You just waste the food...

    Why not just chew it and then spit it out and drink a glass of water?

    1. Re:So... by rnswebx · · Score: 2

      Yea, because that way you totally don't waste the food......

    2. Re:So... by LordLucless · · Score: 1

      Given that without using this device, you'll put on fat you'll likely never need, and excrete the rest, the food was probably being wasted anyhow.

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    3. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could save it for later.

  8. Hey it works! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    My stomach just pumped itself, all over my keyboard, whilst reading about it.

  9. so apparently it works by pbjones · · Score: 1

    so do tapeworms, and not eating so much crap food!!

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    1. Re:so apparently it works by c0lo · · Score: 1

      so do tapeworms,

      Careful with those.

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    2. Re:so apparently it works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not that I'm endorsing it, but there are many different tapeworms, and some don't usually form cysts in humans.

      And it's likely still less risky than having a hole in your stomach or a tube down your throat.

    3. Re:so apparently it works by kiddygrinder · · Score: 1

      are pork tapeworms the only unsafe ones?

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  10. revolutionary! by terec · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is going to revolutionize nutrition and eating, just like the Ginger/Segway has revolutionized transportation in our cities.

    1. Re:revolutionary! by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 2

      This is going to revolutionize nutrition and eating, just like the Ginger/Segway has revolutionized transportation in our cities.

      If the Segway was not so damn expensive, more people might use them.

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    2. Re:revolutionary! by cffrost · · Score: 0, Troll

      If the Segway was not so damn expensive, more people might use them.

      Yup. I wanna look like a fucking jackass, but it costs too much money.

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    3. Re:revolutionary! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's not enough for an invention to be clever, it needs to be better than the alternatives. And a bike still beats a Segway hands down, both in terms of functionality and in terms of price.

    4. Re:revolutionary! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is going to revolutionize nutrition and eating, just like the Ginger/Segway has revolutionized transportation in our cities.

      If the Segway was not so damn expensive, more people might use them.

      And stomach discharge tubes are going to cost more than segways!

    5. Re:revolutionary! by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 0

      Yup. I wanna look like a fucking jackass, but it costs too much money.

      How very shallow. How old are you? 16?

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    6. Re:revolutionary! by NoMaster · · Score: 1
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    7. Re:revolutionary! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By negative example, it'll increase the use of intestinal parasites for weight loss. Fewer tubes involved.

    8. Re:revolutionary! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      How very shallow. How old are you? 16?

      Coming from the guy whose username is 'Frosty Piss', priceless!

    9. Re:revolutionary! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      apparently old enough to realize a technologically hip version of 'the rascal' is still tragically lame. If you've got enough motor coordination to get on a segway, get on a fucking bike already.

    10. Re:revolutionary! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And by avoiding physical activity using the Segway, you are in an excellent position to take advantage of Kamen's latest invention.

    11. Re:revolutionary! by Swampash · · Score: 1

      This is going to revolutionize nutrition and eating, just like the Ginger/Segway has revolutionized transportation in our cities.

      The Segway revolutionized LAZINESS, not transportation.

      Similarly this new invention will revolutionize OVEREATING, not nutrition.

      Basically Dean Kamen has identified a target market (America) and he's nailing the hotbuttons one by one.

    12. Re:revolutionary! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not very successfully, apparently...

    13. Re:revolutionary! by egr · · Score: 1

      It is also illegal in some countries.

    14. Re:revolutionary! by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 2

      And a bike still beats a Segway hands down

      Of course, you're doing it wrong.

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    15. Re:revolutionary! by Brucelet · · Score: 1

      You mean I can take a stomach pump tour of downtown?

    16. Re:revolutionary! by MangoCats · · Score: 1

      Expensive, and presumptive regarding infrastructure/adoption. There aren't enough bike lanes in my town (and most others) to make Segway riding practical, even if I wanted to afford one. Plus, the fuel burning Sterling-engined version never came out, so I believe range is a problem for me as well.

    17. Re:revolutionary! by thoth · · Score: 1

      I dunno, I see fast food restaurants latching on to this. They'll think, wait a sec, we can sell even more of our shitty food to people who like it?! They can pump it out and come back for more? Hell yes!!

      I bet all those places put up posterboards advertising this device and might want to get cut in on referral business.

  11. what a waste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so I will spend $60 in a glorious dinner. then this tube will puke it for me. sounds stupid

    1. Re:what a waste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why? You already got to taste it. This sounds better than pooping it out while putting on a couple of another 5 lbs.

    2. Re:what a waste by jamesh · · Score: 1, Interesting

      so I will spend $60 in a glorious dinner. then this tube will puke it for me. sounds stupid

      Sure. If you needed the nutrition provided by your $60 dinner then puking through a tube would indeed be stupid. Obviously you haven't taken a few seconds to consider the target market for this product.

      For fatties who don't need the food but love eating this is the perfect solution. I imagine version 2 will attach directly into your stomach through your chest and do away with all that hassle of sticking a tube down your throat. Then restaurants will be able to have an all-you-can-eat icecream bar that never needs refilling... from external sources. You pay a cover change plus whatever the difference is in your weight between when you arrive and when you leave.

      And don't listen to anyone who tells you you don't need this machine and to just eat less. Why deny yourself the orally fixated pleasure of eating? Screw the starving kids in Africa. It's your right to eat that $60 meal and then pour it down the toilet when you're done. Your _RIGHT_ goddammit.

    3. Re:what a waste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      May I perhaps recommend adopting oral fixations that aren't fattening? They'll improve your marriage and your body.

    4. Re:what a waste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For fatties who don't need the food but love eating this is the perfect solution.

      If this ever catches on I'm literally done with western society and its disgusting waste.

    5. Re:what a waste by retchdog · · Score: 1

      smoking?

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  12. How it works: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Using that thing would definitely put me off food.

  13. Broccoli? Really? by GenieGenieGenie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why on earth would you want to suck out the broccoli? This gadget needs a fiberscopic camera that will allow you to view the semi-digested morsels and suck out the ones you don't want to keep.

    1. Re:Broccoli? Really? by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      Yeah I don't think we're getting fat on Broccoli. Maybe if it can suck the ranch dressing or cheese off the broccoli we can call it a deal.

    2. Re:Broccoli? Really? by kiddygrinder · · Score: 1

      somehow i don't think the people eating broccoli really are the target market

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    3. Re:Broccoli? Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're not getting fat on that either, unless your ranch dressing contains sugar... which is the case in most industrial dressings.

  14. Re:Immaculate bulimia by retroworks · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There should be some way to preserve and reuse the pumpings, perhaps compost or soylent green or something.

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  15. Soylent orange... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... It's made of what eventually would have been people!

  16. now all he has to do is get the government to pay! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i mean just think of the whole five people you've actually seen in real life on a Segway...where any of them NOT government employees? Only people I've seen using those things are fatass NYPD beatcops giving directions to tourist in Times Square. I'm sure this guy will find a way for medicare or medicaid or obamacare or some kind of government cash funnel to buy a bunch of these fucking things.

  17. Ewww by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just ewww.

  18. Congrats again to Mr. Kamen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Though anyone else feel a little queasy reading the summary?

    Actually I can see how this makes sense. Kind of like how e-cigs have gotten me off of smoking regular cigs for the last three years. It's an effective middle ground that satisfies the overwhelming urge, but takes away the worst side effect.

  19. How lazy do you have to be by Nyder · · Score: 1

    to get this installed?

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  20. You could eat it twice by ozduo · · Score: 1

    and much easier to digest a second time, well camels do it!

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  21. My Reaction by jIyajbe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Eeewww.

    Seriously, EEEWWW.

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    1. Re:My Reaction by rewarp · · Score: 1

      Actually makes bullimia appealing.

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    2. Re:My Reaction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's enough to make you throw up.

  22. Re:now all he has to do is get the government to p by mug+funky · · Score: 1

    fuck are you talking about, fool?

    only segways i've seen are for hire in touristy cities for walking tours (or, rather, segway tours), or at big convention centres.

    cops on segways? i should take up petty theft, though i wouldn't want to get run over by a fat cop on a segway.

  23. Hard To Prepare Foods = The Win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Several studies have show obese people prefer easily accessible food.

    Stock up on hard-to-prepare food: eggs, flour, potatoes, etc.

    These foods also happen to be inexpensive. And cuts down on all types of "impulse eating" as you ask yourself "Do I really want to spend 15 minutes on a snack or can I wait?" Of course, this practical advice doesn't make a guy on TV any money and doesn't make a mega-corp any money and doesn't sell books on a talk show ...

    1. Re:Hard To Prepare Foods = The Win by retchdog · · Score: 1

      i'm almost convinced that eating whole grains works for weight loss simply because it doesn't taste as good as white flour.

      the fiber has other benefits, of course.

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    2. Re:Hard To Prepare Foods = The Win by LordLucless · · Score: 2

      Of course, this practical advice doesn't make a guy on TV any money and doesn't make a mega-corp any money and doesn't sell books on a talk show

      Sure it does. Jamie Oliver for one has about three different shows running on the free view channels here, and a squizillion books.

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    3. Re:Hard To Prepare Foods = The Win by kiddygrinder · · Score: 1

      that's pretty true, i eat worse at work because i can simply give someone a couple bucks who's going on a food run or eat from those stupid charity junk food boxes... even though i don't eat very "diety" (i had a mad cheesy pasta with bacon for lunch today) i still lose weight at home, after 2 weeks holiday i couldn't finish a footlong from subways.

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    4. Re:Hard To Prepare Foods = The Win by kiddygrinder · · Score: 1

      i love that guy, he's all about good tastes and how just fucking learning to cook can give your mouth a better time than jamming it full of lard

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    5. Re:Hard To Prepare Foods = The Win by guttentag · · Score: 4, Funny

      i love that guy, he's all about good tastes and how just fucking learning to cook can give your mouth a better time than jamming it full of lard

      That's not comforting coming from someone with the username "kiddygrinder." In fact, please never comment on culinary matters again.

    6. Re:Hard To Prepare Foods = The Win by fredgiblet · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't be surprised

    7. Re:Hard To Prepare Foods = The Win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously ? White flour is just about the blandest thing on earth. Just try to eat some white (wheat) flour mixed with enough water to make a little piece of dough. Without added sugar or salt or egg. Bland, tasteless shit. It's NEVER the white flour that gives taste, it's always what you mix it with.

    8. Re:Hard To Prepare Foods = The Win by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

      I still remember the show he ran here in America where he tried to reform a school system's cafeteria food. Things like eliminating chocolate and strawberry milk which were served because "kids won't drink milk if we don't dump a ton of sugar in it" and increasing the number of veggies in the meal (during which he was told that a serving of french fries counts as veggies). The most memorable experiment was when he got a group of kids to watch him prepare chicken nuggets as they are classically made. He ground up a chicken carcass (not the white meat.. the bones and such), added some fillers, and fried it. The kids were completely grossed out. When he asked who would eat it, though, they all raised their hands. When asked why, they said because they're hungry. So we're teaching our kids that, when you're hungry, just stuff whatever sugary and/or fried thing you can find into your mouths no matter how disgusting it is. No wonder we have an obesity problem in this country.

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    9. Re:Hard To Prepare Foods = The Win by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2

      Once you're used to eating whole grains, plain white flour just tastes like cardboard.

    10. Re:Hard To Prepare Foods = The Win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny fact!

      His food, like the food from most chefs, is worse for you than fast food.

      Look it up!

    11. Re:Hard To Prepare Foods = The Win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1

    12. Re:Hard To Prepare Foods = The Win by Hatta · · Score: 1

      White bread tastes about as good as white sugar does. Nutritionally indistinguishable too. Flavor comes from more complex molecules than simple sugars and starches.

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    13. Re:Hard To Prepare Foods = The Win by GrumpySteen · · Score: 1

      A slice of white bread contains approximately 1.9g of protein along with Calcium (7% DV), Thiamin (14% DV), Riboflavin (9% DV), Folate (12% DV), Iron (9% DV), Manganese (11% DV), and Selenium (11% DV).

      A similarly sized serving of sugar contains 0% of all those things.

      That's not "nutritionally indistinguishable."

    14. Re:Hard To Prepare Foods = The Win by GrumpySteen · · Score: 1

      I'm sure his cooking advice is fine and he's just using the term "grind" in the sexual sense.

    15. Re:Hard To Prepare Foods = The Win by retchdog · · Score: 1

      it's very easy for something to taste worse than bland, and obviously i was referring to recipes using white flour, not eating it straight.

      and in any case, the amylase on the tongue will make white flour taste sweet if nothing else.

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    16. Re:Hard To Prepare Foods = The Win by retchdog · · Score: 1

      i do eat, and have been eating, mostly whole grain foods, apart from pasta of which i find the whole-grain version disgusting. apart from that, sure, brown rice, wheat groats, bread, tortillas, and so on.

      the white flour versions are still much more desirable to my subconscious. they don't taste as interesting, but yeah, they're more tempting the way a candy bar or ice cream is. you either call that tasting good, or you make up some hooie about how the body is ``addicted" to sugar and simple carbs. i say it tastes good.

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    17. Re:Hard To Prepare Foods = The Win by GrumpySteen · · Score: 1

      What do you classify a potato as, if not a vegetable? It's a starchy vegetable, but still a vegetable... and a reasonably healthy one at that, when it's not deep fried or otherwise loaded with fat.

    18. Re:Hard To Prepare Foods = The Win by Hatta · · Score: 1

      A slice of white bread contains approximately 1.9g of protein

      Yeah, gluten. Proline, serine, glutamine, and not much else. I'm no celiac, but I like a few essential amino acids with my protein.

      along with Calcium (7% DV), Thiamin (14% DV), Riboflavin (9% DV), Folate (12% DV), Iron (9% DV), Manganese (11% DV), and Selenium (11% DV).

      Yeah, you know why? Because they fortify it with vitamins. The only reason they have to fortify it is because they threw all the good stuff away.

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    19. Re:Hard To Prepare Foods = The Win by GrumpySteen · · Score: 1

      I like a few essential amino acids with my protein.

      White bread, per slice:
      Histidine - 41.3 mg
      Isoleucine - 74.5 mg
      Leucine - 133 mg
      Lysine 50.8 mg
      Methionine - 33.8 mg
      Phenylalanine - 93.3 mg
      Threonine - 56.2 mg
      Tryptophan - 22.2 mg
      Valine - 83.7 mg

      Oh look at that. It has every essential amino acid. Have some white bread. It's absolutely, unquestionably not nutritionally identical to sugar.

      The only reason they have to fortify it is because they threw all the good stuff away.

      And? The fact that they fortify the bread to add vitamins that it wouldn't normally have doesn't matter. Your point was that there is no nutritional difference between white bread and sugar and my response simply shows the difference.

      You're making statements that are demonstrably false. If you said "oops, my bad", that would be fine. Instead, you're presenting more incorrect statements and unrelated information that has no bearing on the falsehood of your original statements. Are you a politician?

    20. Re:Hard To Prepare Foods = The Win by kiddygrinder · · Score: 1

      it's actually from the marilyn manson song "kiddie grinder" but it wouldn't fit in the player name field of quake 2, i'm pretty sure he meant it as he's leading children like monkeys because he's the organ grinder.... heh, i made this account when i was a lot younger :)

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    21. Re:Hard To Prepare Foods = The Win by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      School cafeteria french fries aren't sliced up potatoes that are oven roasted with seasoning to be fries. They're "potato derived extruded products" that are molded into french fry shapes and deep fried. They are then counted as one of the kids' vegetables. IIRC, there was also a bill in Congress to count pizza as a vegetable because the sauce is made from tomatoes. (Not sure if this passed or not.)

      The real reason for all of this? The companies that supply food to the schools want to sell more frozen pizza and french fries. They're cheap to produce and profitable. So they lobby Congress to get them declared as vegetables so our kids can load up on their "veggies" with a healthy plate of pizza and fries. But try to serve vegetable stir fry and you'll be told there aren't enough veggies to count and you should add some fries to that plate.

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    22. Re:Hard To Prepare Foods = The Win by Hatta · · Score: 1

      My statement was hyperbole, and I stand by it as hyperbole. Gluten is a low quality protein. And chasing a slice of starch with a vitamin (essentially what fortified bread is) doesn't make it nutritious. White bread is junk food.

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    23. Re:Hard To Prepare Foods = The Win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hyperbole is not something to defend. It basically means you're intentionally overstating your case. Might as well say "I stand by my deception. The ends justify the means."

  24. The Cloaca Machine by Irate+Engineer · · Score: 2

    Why not just get rid of the middle man and just do this? No eating, puking, or weight gain! http://www.nextnature.net/2006/04/cloaca/

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  25. Reminds me of food waste statistics by Burz · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "Recent estimates suggest that 16 per cent of the energy consumed in the US is used to produce food. Yet at least 25 per cent of food is wasted each year..."

    "There are nearly a billion malnourished people in the world, but all of them could be lifted out of hunger with less than a quarter of the food wasted in Europe and North America. In a globalised food system, where we are all buying food in the same international market place, that means we're taking food out of the mouths of the poor."

    In this context, a food evacuator for pampered fat people seems like the height of absurdity as if were something taken directly off the page of a Monty Python or Yes Men script.

    1. Re:Reminds me of food waste statistics by LordLucless · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "There are nearly a billion malnourished people in the world, but all of them could be lifted out of hunger with less than a quarter of the food wasted in Europe and North America"

      No, they couldn't, not unless that food could be transported to them and distributed before it became inedible. In countries with good infrastructure, that's not a problem, but those billion malnourished generally don't live in a place with good air freight service, well-maintained highways, and refrigerated trucking.

      Any solution to global poverty is going to have to largely rely on bootstrapping local production. Despite importing a lot of food, most western nations export a whole lot more - they have sufficient capacity to feed themselves, and trade for variety/seasonality. Getting developing nations to the point of self sufficiency is key - anything else leaves them dependant on the developed world, which will screw them over when a drought/famine/whatever hits, and we have less excess to give.

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    2. Re:Reminds me of food waste statistics by kiddygrinder · · Score: 0

      upvote this guy, i already posted

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    3. Re:Reminds me of food waste statistics by fredgiblet · · Score: 2

      Truth.

      It's not a production problem, it hasn't been a production problem since the Middle Ages (if even then), it's always been a distribution problem. Not just with the infrastructure, but also with the fact that the people in those areas don't have the money to make shipping to them economically worthwhile. make no mistake, if they had the money to pay for the food the infrastructure issues would be worked around quickly.

    4. Re:Reminds me of food waste statistics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In some places there is also the problem of the local government wanting to starve out certain segments of their population.

      Interesting captcha : misuse

    5. Re:Reminds me of food waste statistics by Burz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      but those billion malnourished generally don't live in a place with good air freight service, well-maintained highways, and refrigerated trucking.

      Agreed, but many of those places have transportation (where it exists) that is configured to remove produce and resources onto boats headed for regions like Europe, North America and increasingly China. As you pointed out, that can also work in reverse WRT food... but I don't believe that is the case for all materials in general.

      As I see it, any country that is not heavily bought-up by globalist Wall St. banks and aligned with NATO would inevitably appear as a threat to the West if they reconfigured their infrastructure to be self-sufficient and more self-serving. Self-sufficiency for an emerging region would necessarily have to stonewall the influences of the global banking system, because the system has a record of opportunistically creating crises which put the land and resources of so many developing countries on sale to Western corporations at fire sale prices. When the financial empire convulses because of mismanagement at its center, its the fringes that are most quickly abandoned because of a lack of familiarity or personal involvement by wealthy investors-- then they are lined up for 'austerity' programs which have much more to do with rent seeking by foreign actors than with self-sufficiency.

    6. Re:Reminds me of food waste statistics by Sheik+Yerbouty · · Score: 1

      Wow, easy tiger. You're right it's not just the infrastructure. In a 3rd world country like the USA, it's poverty that causes for 1 on 6 to suffer from hunger, and rising.

    7. Re:Reminds me of food waste statistics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "There are nearly a billion malnourished people in the world, but all of them could be lifted out of hunger with less than a quarter of the food wasted in Europe and North America"

      No, they couldn't, not unless that food could be transported to them and distributed before it became inedible

      It would already help if their fields were not used for producing cheap animal fodder for the first world instead of food for the third world. The real food waste is feeding animals instead of humans, and then eating the animals. Waaaaay inefficient. And then we barf it all up again.

    8. Re:Reminds me of food waste statistics by pla · · Score: 1

      There are nearly a billion malnourished people in the world, but all of them could be lifted out of hunger with less than a quarter of the food wasted in Europe and North America. In a globalised food system, where we are all buying food in the same international market place, that means we're taking food out of the mouths of the poor.

      Flaw: I can afford to import Mangoes from India, halfway around the planet. A malnourished kid in India can't afford to import cheeseburgers from the US.

      "Starving kids in Africa" have very little to do with food availability, and everything to do with finding someone to pay for it.

  26. renewable bulimia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes, and energy should somehow be extracted from it and fed back into the grid

  27. DO CRANK !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And let your demons eat for you !!

  28. Pumping your own stomach, hmmm? by mark-t · · Score: 1

    Everything will be just fine, I'm sure. There's nothing that can go wrong with this. Nope. Not a thing. No sir-ee Bob.

  29. Medical Device Testing illegally??? by girlinatrainingbra · · Score: 1, Informative

    So has this guy effectively created a medical device?? And is he testing it out on human subjects illegally??
    :>(
    And I agree with those who wrote earlier that this is a "mechanical barf-o-matic" without sticking your finger down your throat. So what is he claiming for the benefits??
    .
    bene 1: no acid reflux uppa your egophagus?
    bene 2: no acid stains on your teeth and palate?
    bene 3: barf yourself without the unpleasant taste coming through your mouth?
    bene 4: no need to stick a finger down your throat
    .
    But what about the fucking risks?
    risk 1: take a chance of sticking the tube down your lungs! Die from asphyxiation! (what, you think you're going to do this with assistance and people around, or shamefully hidden away like those girls barfing in the girls' room at school after lunch... You know that we can hear you barfing in there, right?)
    risk 2: while you pull the tube back out, couldn't the acidic vomitola in the tube keep dripping down and fall into your trachea and lungs? Voila! Acid burns in the trachea and lungs! Aspiration pneumonia!!
    risk 3: you're replacing all the good stuff in your stomach with water!! Do you want to know what happens when you fuck around with your precious bodily fluids?? Look at Bulimia and water intoxication: you get arrhtythmias, hypokalemia, comas and a slow painful death: Terri Schiavo. risk 4: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypokalemia
    risk 5: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication
    risk 6: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolyte_disturbance
    risk 7: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudden_arrhythmia_death_syndrome
    .
    Fuck the inventor of this stupidity and fuck this craziness of trying to make binge-purge socially acceptable. Fuck this madness of making purging socialy necessary or acceptable. Wasn't Dean Kamen the genius behind "Ginger"? : A code name for the Segway PT used before its release on December 3, 2001 (see last entry at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginger_(disambiguation) ). Madness of the morons gone wild.

    1. Re:Medical Device Testing illegally??? by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 1

      How did you miss the part where the tube is surgically connected to a port on the abdomen?

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    2. Re:Medical Device Testing illegally??? by girlinatrainingbra · · Score: 1

      ah, so sorry if that's true.
      .
      In that case, it's even stupider to undergo invasive surgery for this caloric reversal reason. Gastrostomy and PEGs (Percutaneous endoscopic gastrostomy) have existed for a LONG LONG time. It's easier and less of a risk to control calorie intake. PEGs and gastrotomies can be used in the same way.

    3. Re:Medical Device Testing illegally??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While on your long rant against the lazy, take a good LONG look in the mirror.
      I realize ignoring all facts from the article is a long slashdot past time (that your UID shows you shouldn't be aware of let alone a long standing member of)

      But for christ sake, just LOOK AT THE TOP PICTURE IN THE ARTICLE

      Stop wasting electricity ranting about tubes down the throat! Fuck I wish these morons moderating you would use the correct OFFTOPIC AS FUCK mod you deserve

    4. Re:Medical Device Testing illegally??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One practical application of this device would be keeping it in clubs/bars, where if someone ingests too much alcohol or liquid nitrogen then those critical minutes can save a persons life. train a bar attendant in how to use it.

      other than that, yes you are spot on.

    5. Re:Medical Device Testing illegally??? by girlinatrainingbra · · Score: 1

      Re: One practical application of this device would be keeping it in clubs/bars, Ah, but the problem is that if it is a transabdominal device rather than the nasogastric device which I had originally assumed that it was, then a transabdominal device has to be inserted surgically since it will involved making an incision in the abdomen over the stomach where the port will connect the outside world directly to the interior of the stomach, bypassing the mouth+pharynx+esophagus standard pathway!
      .
      While bars are good if they have an automated external defibrillator, I don't think they could have a device on hand that would need to be surgically implanted! That would need having a surgeon on call, and hoping that the surgeon wasn't drunk! But an NG-tube version of this for gastric lavage and evacuation (ye olde stomache pumpe) would do just fine...

    6. Re:Medical Device Testing illegally??? by Sheik+Yerbouty · · Score: 1

      Because "girlinatrainingbra" is so much more upfront than "Anonymous Coward".

    7. Re:Medical Device Testing illegally??? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      All of those scenarios sound far-fetched. "Aspiration pneumonia"? Obesity is a well-recognized health hazard. Certainly it is worth taking all the risks you mention to lose weight.

      Dean Kamen is one of the good guys. It's not appropriate to call what he does "madness of the morons." I suggest education to remedy this ignorance.

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    8. Re:Medical Device Testing illegally??? by girlinatrainingbra · · Score: 2
      Re: Dean Kamen is one of the good guys.
      .
      Yes, but even the good guys can have bad ideas. Inserting a device that allows the end-user to do the stomach-pumping as a caloric-intake-control measure is, in my humble opinion, a very bad idea. Devices that can be abused by the end-user tend to very often actually be abused by the end-user. The kinds of problems that come from these excesses need a larger medical approach, not a simplistic "binge-and-purge" and "hell go ahead and binge and purge, because I made you an invented device that helps you binge and purge so you can enjoy the flavor and pump out the calories."
      .
      Binge and purge is a bad idea. Look up Terri Schiavo and look up anorexia and bulimia and look at the health problems concomitant with those diseases. I do not agree with your contention that Certainly it is worth taking all the risks you mention to lose weight.

      In fact, I strongly disagree with that point of view. Two points to support my point of view: the huge crack-down on "Lap-band" surgery and on the marketing of "lap band" surgery in the Los Angeles area; and the need for psychiatric/psychological evaluation of those who feel that they are in need of surgical intervention of this type for obesity. Just because something can be done does not mean that it ought to be done.
      .
      Caloric intake control (which is ultimately all this does) can be done with less invasive and risky means. All that this does is encourage the user to be profligate in their ways: that is NOT a good thing. Just like people who start on anti-cholesterol statins and decide since the drugs will keep their cholesterol down that they no longer need to worry about or control the amount of fat and cholesterol they take in.

    9. Re:Medical Device Testing illegally??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First, while this device is not approved for commercial use the testing protocol was approved by the NIH (http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01766037?term=AspireAssist&rank=1).

      Second, it seems to me that your risk 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 are the same. This issue could be prevented using more a balanced buffer instead of water. I could not find the information but I am not sure whether they inject the fluid to the stomach or to a bag inside the stomach (which would be more effective imo). I am sure that this issue taken into account before the NIH approval.

      I seems to me that this kind of intervention would not be worse that usual gastrostomy. It could be an alternative to gastric bypass surgery, though it is very effective for similar indications and have low a complictation rate (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=Laparoscopic%20Adjustable%20Gastric%20Banding%20for%20Weight%20Loss%20in%20Obese%20Adults%3A%20Clinical%20and%20Economic%20Review).

    10. Re:Medical Device Testing illegally??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hahaha!!! You do know that it's classic /. to post without RTFA.

      It's also classic /. to call out trolls like you as AC in order to prevent sockpuppets from retaliating.
      I've told you before and I'll say it again- if you take issue with the substance of his comment then you have no need for an ID. The only reason to have an ID is when relying on reputation or expertise as part of the argument, which is not the case here. This leaves the only possible explanation as a desire on your part to launch a personal attack, which your post has proven to be the case.

    11. Re:Medical Device Testing illegally??? by girlinatrainingbra · · Score: 1

      way to turn the tables, anonymous coward. So now you claim that people need an ID in order to launch a personal attack, when it's so obviously the other way around. How can an attack on an anonymous coward be personal? It's only directed at the content, not the person!

    12. Re:Medical Device Testing illegally??? by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      Caloric intake control (which is ultimately all this does) can be done with less invasive and risky means.

      Yeah, I mean, this is pretty much equivalent to replacing consumption of calorie-bearing foods with consumption of water, which can be done much less invasively at the front end.

    13. Re:Medical Device Testing illegally??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No need to apologize; where would slashdot be without people ranting about things they know nothing about? Slashdot is constantly five minutes of research away from having no receptacle for stupid people's mod points.

  30. Clearly dieting and exercise are passe. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Dieting and exercise? For suckers. Bring on the pump.

  31. Handy to have around if your kid gets poisoned by sobolwolf · · Score: 1

    If your kid swallows something nasty it would be good to have this handy. There are certain things that should not be vomited up and this could be a useful application for the device (more useful than what they are marketing it for anyway).

    1. Re:Handy to have around if your kid gets poisoned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if I swallow anything evil....

  32. Whoa... by davesque · · Score: 1

    ...how does this man's mind dart around like that? Or am I missing the obvious connection between self-balancing scooters and stomach pumps?

    1. Re:Whoa... by sobolwolf · · Score: 1

      The "obvious connection" is that he is targeting lazy people!

    2. Re:Whoa... by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      obese people have hard time using a segway.

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  33. Some obvious health risks by NitWit005 · · Score: 1

    Any opening into the human body is going to substantially increase risk of infection. It sounds like the tubes on this thing can get clogged easily and I'm not sure what you're expected to do when that happens. It doesn't sound like a great risk/reward trade off.

  34. Dean Kamen inventions by Sussurros · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Some of Dean Kamen's inventions, and they are far too many to list, are serious and lifesaving or serious and useful. Some are astonishing like the whhelchair that lifts the person in it to standing height when they need to. Other inventions of his are kind of fun but rather silly. My personal favourite is an analog clock with oval gears that slows down during work hours and speeds up during lunch break.

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    1. Re:Dean Kamen inventions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The clock with oval gears was put together by a group of engineers at DEKA as a Christmad present for Dean. He wasn't involved in making it whatsoever.

  35. Let's go by lahvak · · Score: 1

    ...dancing in a dioxin dump...

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    1. Re:Let's go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dead Milkmen!

  36. Back in the old days... by CODiNE · · Score: 1

    Word of the day: vomitorium.

    Soon to lose it's myth status?

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    1. Re:Back in the old days... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Most people acquire their information about classical antiquity from non-specialist teachers and a variety of non-academic sources."
      My irony meter went off scale, considering this quote comes from a text which mentions zero sources nor academic credentials.

  37. Regurgitation feeding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now struggling mothers can cut down on their food costs and still feed their children.
    "Are you going to eat that.. again?"

  38. From the 22nd century... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this will be the moment historians will point to.

  39. You could ... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... just not stuff that cheeseburger in your pie-hole to begin with.

    I think I'll apply for a patent on that.

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  40. This doesn't change behaviour... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So basically, they don't change what they eat, or how much of it they eat...they just remove the effects of eating it...and when they stop using the device they will gain the weight right back...in fact, if the body thinks it needs to eat _more_ to get the same nutrition, the patient may end up heavier.

    I'm sorry, but this is beyond stupid...it's only effective as a permanent implant, which would totally compromise quality of life.

  41. Another failure, or smart marketing? by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    We have a standard form for spam solution failures, we should really have the same for tricks to loose weight.

    That solution is likely to help loosing weight, but as soon as the user will stop using that tube, (s)he will regain weight, thanks to the negative feedback the body maintains on its adipose stocks. But perhaps this is not a bug, but a feature : once someone use it and gets satisfied by the results, this is a product that will be hard to put down.

    Good solutions to loose weight on the long term are to modify the diet forever (eat less carb if you want to give your body a chance to burn fat), or to modify exercise habits forever (building muscle is especially interesting as it burns fat even when one is not exercising)

  42. Of course it works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of course it works.

    This just allows you to eat and prompyly remove what you ate. Doesn't mean it's healthy, but it will certainly help you lose weight.

    Want to lose weight? Eat less than you burn off. There's no magic to it. Sorry fat fucks with no personal responsibility (myself included at one point) -- but that's the hard truth there.

  43. Just add another window to the drive thru by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    Window 1 is where you pay
    Window 2 is where you pick up your food
    Window 3 is where... you give some of the food back, thanks to Dean Kamen

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  44. we are the borg by Cute+and+Cuddly · · Score: 0

    We Are the Borg. You Will be Assimilated. Resistance is Futile ...

  45. Millroy the Magician by 0111+1110 · · Score: 1

    Reminds me of Paul Theroux's novel Millroy the Magician. Millory would stick a tube down his throat and pump out a bit of the food to examine it.

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  46. So utterly deranged by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As if we didn't have enough wasted food in our societies, along comes Dean Kamen to help solve the problem by... er, helping us waste even more food.

    So, assuming this thing gets approved by the FDA, people who lack any will power whatsoever will be able to by a pump so that they can eat all of the nasty junk food they want, and then, hopelessly oblivious to the pathetic creatures they have become, kneel down in front of the toilet with a stomach pump to suck it all back out once they are satiated.

    I've got an idea! How about you just don't eat the food in the first place? BUT IT TASTES SO GOOD!

    If, however, the device is approved only when recommended by a doctor and used to make those that are fat because of their own lack of self control (95%+ of them?) realise what a total joke their dietary habits have become. However, I seriously doubt that is the reason Dean Kamen is trying to sell this thing, and if it gets approved I suspect he will make a shit load of money from it.

  47. why are people driven to eat too much? by bzipitidoo · · Score: 5, Informative

    A pithy answer like "Eat less and exercise" obviously doesn't cut it. That's like the joke about how to put a giraffe in a refrigerator. You open the refrigerator, put the giraffe in, and close the door.

    Some findings and facts that have received some publicity lately:

    1. Gut microbes adapt to the food you eat, so that simple calorie counting is not accurate. Fat people can gain weight on less food, because their gut microbes are more efficient.
    2. Sleep deprivation is another cause of weight gain.
    3. Chemicals such as Bisphenol A mimic hormones. Many other plastics are also problematic. They get into our bodies because we use them for food containers and linings. Once in the body, they screw with our metabolism. One common effect is weight gain.
    4. The food industry's first priority is not our health, it's their bottom line. Most of us are also suckers for this, often measuring the value of food solely by price. It would be expecting too much to hope that the cheapest food is reasonably healthy, and of course it isn't. Breakthroughs that extend the shelf life of fresh food cheaply would be huge.

    There are a bunch of other lifestyle factors that can cause weight problems: too much sitting, pollution, artificial lighting, stress, and disease. The obesity epidemic is not going to be solved with a "Just Say No" campaign to cheeseburgers.

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    1. Re:why are people driven to eat too much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Yeah, and when Mayor Bloomberg tried to ban the gigantic corn syrup buckets otherwise known as supersized sodas all the fat fucks got outraged, how dare the government interfere with mah eatins!! Well, you can't have it both ways, either the government bans trash foods or people can stop gobbling crap on their own.

    2. Re:why are people driven to eat too much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why are people driven to eat too much?

      Seriously? You don't need a research grant and obvious findings to figure this out:

      Food tastes good and here in the first world, we have an unlimited supply not driven by incompetent peasants or the angry weather god ruining the harvest.

      For all our bantering, humans really suck at self control. We're evolved not to have it. If, back in the stone age, Jesus rode by on a velociraptor and gunned down a sabertooth tiger with his AK-47, you ate the whole damned tiger in one sitting - because Jesus gets around, and there was no telling when you'd see your next free meal.

    3. Re:why are people driven to eat too much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      And yet the result of pumping the food out of these people's stomach is a massive reduction in weight. Sounds like just not eating that food would have been good enough, huh? What clever rhetorical tricks will you use now to argue that just not eating the food that they got pumped out of their stomach would have failed to cause that same weight loss? What overweight moderators will mod this down, and parent up, and how do you justify this to yourself in your own minds?

    4. Re:why are people driven to eat too much? by lxs · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm reading a lot of excuses in your post. It's gut bacteria it's pollution, it's Big Corn, it's stress. I'm not reading anything about taking personal responsibility. Losing weight means running a calorie deficit. This will make you feel bad. The only way to get though that is to get off the notion that you should feel good all the time and volutarily put yourself in a situation where you're hungry and feeling bad. that feeling will pass in a couple of weeks and it will strengthen your willpower.

    5. Re:why are people driven to eat too much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A pithy answer like "Eat less and exercise" obviously doesn't cut it.

      Only in a few extreme cases. And even in those cases, nobody has a body which violates the laws of Physics. As long as you input less energy than you expend, you will lose weight. Period.

      The obesity epidemic is not going to be solved with a "Just Say No" campaign to cheeseburgers.

      You're missing the point. This device is for pumping out a bunch of crap you shoved down your throat, and then replacing it with water. The parent was pointing out that you could guzzle water and skip the process of ingesting and then removing the food and get the same effect. Neither of which is a very good option because both allow the stomach to keep expanding, which makes it harder to feel full. The only way to get the stomach to shrink is to stop filling it all the way up, and gastric bypass surgeries already exist to accelerate that process (but also have some consequences).

      There are only a very small number of people who are in a bad enough shape that you'd even consider this type of solution. Those people don't need this, they need to be admitted to a medial facility where their food intake can be rationed and be monitored by properly trained medical staff.

      All that shit you posted as "factors" are not really factors, they are excuses. The root of the problem is behavior which needs to be modified. You're not a physical impossibility, you CAN stay healthy by eating right and getting exercising. Some people need a lot of help to get into a situation where they can do this on their own, I will admit that's true. But this device will do nothing to help anybody, and has no use in a medical facility either, and I see NO reason for anybody to have one other than to be able to continue to be an irresponsible slob.

    6. Re:why are people driven to eat too much? by rHBa · · Score: 1

      Citation Needed...

      Not because what you're saying is necessarily untrue but because I want more details, such as what sort of weight gain do each of these effects cause? I mean if we're talking about a study where they managed to measure an average of 0.5% increase in weight gain over 2000 people than it doesn't really explain how people are getting to 500lbs.

    7. Re:why are people driven to eat too much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what you're saying is "eat more healthily".

      - Gut microbes are promoted by, and built by eating decent food that has the proper nutrients in it
      - Losing weight helps you sleep (less of the whats-it-called where you wake up because your throat is strangling you)
      - There are no plastics involved if you eat fresh food
      - Learning to make food with what you have in the fridge avoids a lot of the use-by date issues

    8. Re:why are people driven to eat too much? by The_Noid · · Score: 1

      Losing weight is math. You have to eat less than you burn. That's the bottom line. There's no way around it. The math is simple, but acting on it takes willpower.

      If your gut microbes compensate for you eating less then you will have to compensate for your gut microbes by eating less again.

      There are countless tricks to try to make it easier, but in the end it really comes down to counting calories. For the rest of your life.

    9. Re:why are people driven to eat too much? by L1mewater · · Score: 1

      1. The food industry's first priority is not our health, it's their bottom line. Most of us are also suckers for this, often measuring the value of food solely by price. It would be expecting too much to hope that the cheapest food is reasonably healthy, and of course it isn't. Breakthroughs that extend the shelf life of fresh food cheaply would be huge.

      I won't address the other things you listed, but this is demonstrably false with a trip to the store. What foods are the cheapest? If you go by price per calorie, rice, dry beans, and oatmeal are champions. Peanuts also do very well. Unless you have a severe allergy, all of these foods are much better for you than potato chips and double cheese burgers.

    10. Re:why are people driven to eat too much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >I'm not reading anything about taking personal responsibility. Losing weight means running a calorie deficit.

      On personal level, this is the obvious answer and the most efficient solution. On a population scale, however, we should probably examine all those other factors you call excuses. It seems unlikely that willpower has been decreasing at an alarming rate in the general population over the last 20 years , so we should perhaps look at other potential explanations.

    11. Re:why are people driven to eat too much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      is to get off the notion that you should feel good all the time

      "I'm a miserable fuck and you should be too!"

    12. Re:why are people driven to eat too much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But the answer is to eat less and exercise more. There is no magic, it is simple physics. The human body is an auto-adjusting balance. In order to lose weight, the scales need to be tipped the other way. In terms of simple physics, a eating is the only way to add mass to a body and weight gains shows you are eating more than you need.

      Funny how you call "eat less" pithy and yet this surgical procedure is a "digest less" solution, effectively the same thing.

    13. Re:why are people driven to eat too much? by MangoCats · · Score: 1

      There's no profit in fresh food. The only reason a grocery store carries produce is to get you in there to buy the high-margin packaged goods.

    14. Re:why are people driven to eat too much? by nine-times · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It seems to me a general truth that people who focus so much on "personal responsibility" and "willpower" are people who are much less interested in solving problems, and much more interested in making themselves feel superior by way of their own good fortune. The line your advocating is equivalent to "Just say no to drugs" or abstinence-only sex education. You're burying your head in the sand.

      It's not like people who are thin and in good shape aren't generally walking around hungry, feeling bad. People who are thin and healthy aren't starving themselves, or at least they shouldn't be. If you're walking around hungry and feeling bad, you're doing it wrong.

      And aside from the list of factors that bzipitidoo gave, your talk about willpower ignored a pretty important factor: the phenomenon of "willpower" is a biological activity that has its limits. There have been a few studies that suggest that your decision-making process and ability to exercise self-control is dependent on blood sugar levels, which creates a nice little catch-22 for dieters. You don't eat, your blood sugar drops, your self-control weakens. I good way to reinforce your self-control is to have a snack to boost your blood sugar levels, but then you'd be breaking your diet.

      Anyway, it's not about making excuses. It's about understanding the nature of the problem. I'm skinny, but it's not a function of discipline, self-control, or moral superiority. I eat whatever I want, as much as I want, and somehow I'm still skinny. Lucky me. I don't go around trying to pretend I'm some kind of hero, and I don't belittle people who are less lucky, who want to understand why.

    15. Re:why are people driven to eat too much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gut microbes adapt to the food you eat, so that simple calorie counting is not accurate. Fat people can gain weight on less food, because their gut microbes are more efficient.

      This accounts for a miniscule percentage of the number of calories your body is able to extract from the food you eat. It still holds EXACTLY true that if you eat less you will consume fewer calories, so don't blame a bunch of microbes, blame the bag of Doritos.

      Sleep deprivation is another cause of weight gain.

      True -- to a point. If you have less energy you can't exercise as much. The reverse is also demonstrably true as well; if you exercise more you will have more energy, and this holds for everyone. Use more energy and you will have more energy, just like that.

      Chemicals such as Bisphenol A mimic hormones. Many other plastics are also problematic. They get into our bodies because we use them for food containers and linings. Once in the body, they screw with our metabolism. One common effect is weight gain.

      See the argument against blaming microbes for your ass-widening. Same thing.

      The food industry's first priority is not our health, it's their bottom line. Most of us are also suckers for this, often measuring the value of food solely by price. It would be expecting too much to hope that the cheapest food is reasonably healthy, and of course it isn't. Breakthroughs that extend the shelf life of fresh food cheaply would be huge.

      Huh! The food industry is there to make money from selling you more food, so they have a vested interest in making you fat. Who would have thought? I think Coca-Cola's recent court arguments against misleading the public over their VitaminWater would go down well here: 'no consumer could reasonably be misled into thinking vitaminwater was a healthy beverage.' Their words, not mine. Trusting the snake-oil salesman to cure your cancer is not smart and blaming them for making you sicker is even dumber.

      Please stop blaming the latest glitzy study for your fat ass. The fact is that eating healthy foods and exercising 30 minutes a day, three or four times a week will make you healthy. So, put down the chips, get up off the couch, and go outside for a walk (yes, even if it is five below). In months the pounds will vanish.

      Or just sit there and blame everyone else.

    16. Re:why are people driven to eat too much? by maztuhblastah · · Score: 2

      It seems to me a general truth that people who focus so much on "personal responsibility" and "willpower" are people who are much less interested in solving problems, and much more interested in making themselves feel superior by way of their own good fortune. The line your advocating is equivalent to "Just say no to drugs" or abstinence-only sex education.

      Then this will probably be a real mindfuck then:

      I'm a rather hardcore liberal, and I believe that the focus should in fact be on "personal responsibility" and "willpower".

      Further, we should work on teaching not only how to apply those concepts, but the best ways to do so as part of public health education and (in schools) home ec. and PE (you know, those things that we've slowly worked on purging in favor of bland, guaranteed-not-to-anger-parents "replacements".)

      Yes, you can't teach "willpower", but you can teach personal responsibility, and you can give people the tools to help better themselves and support throughout the process. And as a liberal, that's exactly what I think we should do.

      I'm glad you mentioned sex and drugs. Because you know what is most effective at preventing pregnancy? Not fucking. And that's one of the things that we can teach in sex ed. But because I'm not a far-right idiot, I *also* believe in providing additional lines of defense (condom distribution, better public health support, Planned Parenthood clinics, etc.)

      It's the same thing with food. You know what's most effective? Eating less. And yeah, like not fucking it can be pretty hard when the temptation's staring you in the face. And some people will fail at that, which is why in addition to trying to teach restraint we should also provide additional lines of defense (reduce corn subsidies, continue improving food science, require truth in advertising for fast food, fix school lunches, etc.)

    17. Re:why are people driven to eat too much? by bzipitidoo · · Score: 1

      Are you under the impression that I am fat and unhealthy, and am making excuses for it? Sure sounds like you and several other ACs think so. If you think that, you're wrong. I notice also that you ACs take the hardest line on willpower and personal responsibility. But see here, there are such things as external factors. Things beyond your control. And some of these things do indeed affect your weight.

      It's pretty mean to slam people for being pigs, and characterize reasons as excuses, when there are indeed many external factors such as plastics in the food that are known to interfere with the body's signals. An example from cars: You can seriously hurt the power or fuel economy of a car by enriching the fuel mixture, getting the timing a little off, and many other factors. Combustion engines are delicate, finicky beasts. One change that caused problems with older vehicles was the elimination of leaded fuel. Engines run a little hotter, and it turned out that this was enough to cause the exhaust valves of some engines designed for leaded fuel to burn up. They would then not seal tightly, which of course caused power and fuel economy to plummet. Fortunately, the solution was easy: Hardened seats for the exhaust valves.

      Now, whose fault is this problem with exhaust valves? Is it the engine's fault for not taking personal responsibility? Shouldn't have drank that unleaded gas? Of course not! Maybe it's the driver's fault? Is the average driver supposed to be an expert on the dietary needs of combustion engines? Rather like medical advice to take certain pills for the rest of your life, should the driver purchase lead additive from auto parts stores for every tank of gas for the rest of that car's life? Perhaps it's the auto manufacturer's fault? Or is it the government's fault for forcing this dietary change? But, getting rid of leaded fuel was overall a big win.

      Quit playing blame and punish games. Obesity is a problem. Let's find the causes. Whenever we have enough info to act, let's make some changes. There will be some losers, and a likely one is the soft drink industry. But that's not really punishment, no matter how punished they may feel. Can't be helped, that's change. They ought to take responsibility themselves, and work on other lines of business rather than snivel about being victims of government interference and regulation or whatever. Stiff upper lip.

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    18. Re:why are people driven to eat too much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm reading a lot of excuses in your post.

      Way to call facts "excuses".

      The only way to get though that is to get off the notion that you should feel good all the time and volutarily put yourself in a situation where you're hungry and feeling bad. that feeling will pass in a couple of weeks and it will strengthen your willpower.

      We're not all as good as you are. Also note that a mere 50 years ago, very few people were obese. And not because back then they had the required willpower. It's because of the facts stated by GP: stress on average was not what it is today, unhealthy food was way more expensive than healthy food.

      The BBC had a nice series on this called "The men who made us fat".

    19. Re:why are people driven to eat too much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "personal responsibility"? And you call yourself a liberal. Shame!

    20. Re:why are people driven to eat too much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless you are able to violate the first law of thermodynamics, your post is bullshit. Energy in - Energy out = weight change. Simple as that. Grow up and take responsibility for your body.

    21. Re:why are people driven to eat too much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It seems to me a general truth that people who focus so much on "personal responsibility" and "willpower" are people who are much less interested in solving problems, and much more interested in making themselves feel superior by way of their own good fortune.

      Yeah, the "good fortune" correlates with the focus on "personal responsibility" and "willpower", innit? Obviously, the good fortune causes people to believe in responsibility -- couldn't be that the people who believe in responsibility receive/earn better fortune that they otherwise might, eh?

    22. Re:why are people driven to eat too much? by nine-times · · Score: 1

      I'm a rather hardcore liberal, and I believe that the focus should in fact be on "personal responsibility" and "willpower".

      Why do you think I care whether you're a hardcore liberal. Your statements seem to fit rather nicely with this:

      ...people who focus so much on "personal responsibility" and "willpower" are people who are much less interested in solving problems, and much more interested in making themselves feel superior...

  48. Water over-rated by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    I tried the water diet. I think it "works" by making you spend half your day walking to and from the rest-room. I wore 2 zippers out. Another side-effect is having to leave in the middle of meetings. Embarrassing.

  49. Mmm, cake! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now you can eat your cake and have it, too!

  50. Having not had breakfast... by vikingpower · · Score: 1

    ...and sitting, totally soberm, in a train hurtling through early-morning Europe, this "news item" strikes me as particularly gross. Bweurk.

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    1. Re:Having not had breakfast... by chthon · · Score: 1

      I have been reading Slashdot since 2001, but I can't remember having seen an article on such a gross topic. Too much imagination, and having memories about my daughter puking in her bed (not recently), makes me really go eeeewww!

  51. Overeating is genetically hard-wired by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    The problem is that during our evolution, excessive food availability was rarely a problem, but starvation was. Thus, our body has several mechanisms to "ensure" we bulk up when we can.

    Who knows, the chubby ones may be the only who survive the apocalypse. The cheeseburger may save humanity.

    It's difficult to tell our body to ignore 4 billion years of evolution. Yes it can be done for the short term if you focus all your discipline on it, but then you don't have any discipline left over for commenting code, checking your Slahsdot grammer, etc.

  52. "oh, but it's medical / my genes / depression" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just eat less you fat American bastards....

    "Man vs. Food" - Only in America.

    It makes me sick (no pun intended)

  53. It won't work. by mapuche · · Score: 1

    My wife had a stomach reduction procedure a year ago. Before that she had to follow a strict psicological therapy for a year to be approved for the procedure, this is not required but that's how her doctor works.

    She had several options, and the advice from her doctor was to choose any of the couple of reducing stomach interventions. All the other options which include putting some kind of contraption into the stomach fail in a big percentage of the patients. This happens because patients learn to control the comtraptions, air balloons, etc. and end tricking them to eat more.

  54. I had a similar idea - ThroatTube (TM) by DJRikki · · Score: 1

    Slides down the throat and makes you thow up but would avoid the acid burning your throat, mouth, teeth. Another great drunk idea stolen!

  55. Super FUCKING BAD IDEA! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The medical Term for this is "Gastric Lavage" it is NORMALLY an emergency procedure for poisoning.

    But NOW? This is a Diet method? BAD IDEA!

    Gastric Lavage suctions up chunks of stomach too!

    This is CRIMINAL medical Quackery!

  56. Balance by guttentag · · Score: 1

    So this guy is all about balancing machines. First he comes up with a two-wheeled unicycle that balances itself, now a machine that balances your diet for you. Does he do political machines? I could name a few hundred people in Washington who could use his help in that department.

  57. OR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You could just eat less, save money on food, and not use as much toilet paper?

  58. Attention fat people exercise wont kill you. by asm2750 · · Score: 1

    I'm still overweight, but I keep at it, and I feel much better now that I exercise 4 or more days a week. Sure it's hard the first few weeks but once eight weeks pass you'll notice you can sleep better, and have more energy when awake. Gimmicks like this are not the answer.

  59. I'm a tube man. by Mysteryprize · · Score: 1

    It's not necessarily lazy. It's a convenient I/O interface for the stomach, and the perfect accompaniment for the Cinco Food Tube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-o7YG3x0DI

  60. Cheaper solution by Grayhand · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't it be simpler to sew your lips shut?

  61. He's probably funded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    by all the disgusting fast food and candy companies.. imagine the waddling masses given free reign to just keep on eating.. A corporate goldmine.

  62. So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More expensive than the esophagal throat dance, but without the acid burns.

  63. Re:Immaculate bulimia by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

    No use for compost. Too acidic. Acid and protease though... once you strain out the chunky bits, it'd make a great drain unclogger.

  64. I'm fat, but I'll pass. by Dave+Emami · · Score: 1

    Just imagining this is enough to make lose my appetite. Hey, maybe it works after all!

    And if someone can't bring themselves to spend some time on an exercise bike, how are they going to make themselves pump out the contents of their stomach? It sure sounds a lot less pleasant than hitting the gym or just going for a walk. I can try to reduce my food intake, and try to make myself exercise. Sometime I'll succeed, sometimes I'll fail, but there's no way I could bring myself to use this device.

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  65. VLCD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very-low-calorie_diet

    This thing works if you can stick with it. I've lost 50kgs by being on that diet in three sessions.
    Once you get past the starting phase of 3-4 days and you don't eat any thing else than the diet products you are not in hunger. The body is in ketosis and uses fat for energy.

    Unfortunately for americans it is not available in US without constant medical supervision which will run in to thousands of dollars. In parts of Europe VLCD products are available in supermarkets.

  66. Sorority chickies win out over any frat boys! by girlinatrainingbra · · Score: 1

    Sorority chickies win out over any frat boys!
    .
    Re: Clearly you were not in a fraternity.
    .
    Hahaha! Touch'e (with a little french accent at the end!)
    ;>)
    However, fratboys have nothing on sorority girls when it comes to frequent flying on the toilet bowl. The sisters of O-I-ate-toomucha have way more experience throwing up than frat boys do, since they like to get rid of their meals even when they haven't been drinking, and even the alcohol (to get rid of the alcohol calories) even if they aren't so drunk that their body makes them throw up.
    .
    See, that's the sickness. The boys in the frat are throwing up involuntarily because of their alco-hol-X-cess, whereas the pretty little girls are throwing up because of the amazing voluntary control they have over their bodies and their stupid brains let them do it.!!!
    ;>)
    I do however like your retort about frat-boys!

  67. TIL: Dean Kamen is a sick fuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    remind me never to give this fucker any money, for his next trick he'll sell you the idea of shit in a paper bag as lunch

  68. Bad Product, Great Market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This contraption will join the the ever-lengthening list of diet, surgical, and appliance gimmicks that earn huge profits.

    The marketing genius lies in the fact that porkies will spend a ton of money on gimmicks that are all, essentially, just self-esteem enhancements or plausible excuses for chronic gluttony.

  69. Treating the symptoms not the disease by DrXym · · Score: 1

    These people need to eat less and exercise more. Someone should craft a contract for obesity which requires the person to undergo a regimen of diet and exercise with daily motivational checkins plus random weigh-in audits where there there is a financial penalty for non-compliance. Perhaps it is something that health insurers could even offer it on the basis that an obese person is likely to have more health related issues than a fit person and therefore it's in their interest to ensure people are as fit as possible.

    1. Re:Treating the symptoms not the disease by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

      The company I work for did just that this year. Apparently one of the new things with the health care law is that health insurance can require participation in a "wellness" program where the insurance company manages your diet and exercise plan, with premiums tied to your performance - all based on junk science, too (the BMI).

      I'm 71" tall and 180lbs, 6% bodyfat, and they are commanding I lose 13lbs by October 15th or pay $300 extra for my health premium in 2014, because the BMI says I'm overweight.

      Idiots.

  70. Couldn't people just eat less? by davesag · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This looks to me to be the single most disgusting invention I've ever seen. Surely it's easier to just eat smaller meals rather than gorge, then pump partially digested food out through a pipe through your gut. I guess it tops the Segway as stupidest invention ever.

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    1. Re:Couldn't people just eat less? by MangoCats · · Score: 1

      It's bad, but misses the pinnacle.

    2. Re:Couldn't people just eat less? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, and is it so hard to get more water into your stomach?

    3. Re:Couldn't people just eat less? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Surely it's easier to just eat smaller meals rather than gorge

      Have you looked around at your fellow humans and seen just how many seriously overweight and obese people there are? Apparently just eating less isn't that easy.

  71. Re: Pot, kettle, blackness? by girlinatrainingbra · · Score: 1

    :>)
    .
    And you sheiking yerbouty is just as upfront, eh? Please note the points I made, which are about the still factual and correct points in my original post, along with noting the anonymous coward's anonymity and cowardice. My post spoke for itself; I speak for my self. Anway, pot, kettle, blackness?? C'est la vie.

  72. Seriously ? by silentcoder · · Score: 1

    How is it not less effort to just eat less in the first place ?

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  73. Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It would be much more useful if people could liposuct their own body fat, which can then be rendered to biodiesel for powering their cars. This way, nothing gets wasted and the body is effectively used as a biofuel processing plant.

  74. Gastric ports may be safer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What are the advantages of a gastric port...

    Safe - Gastric ports are pretty well established medical technology. The first gastric port was a man with a bullet hole into his stomach, and he lived with a hole in him for many years. His doctor (researcher) stuck bits of food in the hole on a string and pulled them out again later.
    Reversible - a gastric port can be removed. Most bariatric surgery cannot be reversed - Bands can, but they can also slip and are not as effective as other bariatric options.
    Controllable - the amount of food/calories removed by this process can be controlled to a fine degree. It also will not (given suitable timing) interfere with normal absorption of medications/nutrients (a side effect of many bariatric procedures).

    This will not be a case of "slam in a port, now go away". This is a managed medical procedure for people on supervised diets who need the additional help that bariatric surgery offers, but with less risk. Seems like a good plan to me. Lets see what the FDA says.

  75. Hilarious in light of the last Kamen article by drinkypoo · · Score: 0

    Dean Kamen says too many engineering students are going into non-engineering disciplines like game development, then invents a device which will be used by gamers to evacuate excess cheetos

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  76. Hmm by lightknight · · Score: 1

    That will go well with my continuous baster. I've found that basting a duck every 15 minutes is labor intensive, and am working on a solution to the problem.

    It's sad but true: there are some people out there who have gone their entire lives eating dry meat. They've never had a properly basted fowl or roast, and even think that adding gravy afterwards somehow fixes things. Mes amis, you must baste the meat before it is fully cooked, or all flavor leaves it!

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    1. Re:Hmm by Organic+Brain+Damage · · Score: 1

      What the duck?!?!?

      Just brine the poultry in a solution of 1/2 c kosher salt, 1/4 c sugar and 1 quart (liter) of water for 1-3 hours prior to cooking and you should be able to avoid that onerous basting.

  77. Simple, vomitting is bad by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 2

    Vomiting is REALLY bad for you. The acid in your stomach ruins your throat, your teeth and the heaving itself is also not that good for you I have heard (bad for teeth/soft tissue is medical fact, the heaving is hearsay). Also, if acid goes down the wrong way, you damage your lungs.

    This spares the throat and teeth.

    I still can't think this is a good idea. Just the change of leakage alone is worrying, your stomach contents are designed to stay in your stomach. Not slosh around in your stomach cavity if a leak develops. I also would think having to replace all the acids in your stomach would put a strain on your system. I have vomited purely from pain (not sickness) and it leaves you feeling miserable for a long time afterwards, I think your need to have your stomach contents stay inside of you, and vomiting them up is not good for you.

    But for anyone for who it isn't a choice between vomiting and a hole in your stomach, I suppose this might be better.

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    1. Re:Simple, vomitting is bad by Nexus7 · · Score: 1

      So after you stick your fingers in and puke, you rinse your mouth and drink a lot of water. Don't you do that anyway (I don't mean you personally :)

  78. Intubation instead of bulimia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If I had the choice between getting tubes jammed into my innards or just inducing vomiting, I know what I'd pick.

  79. I think most think this is an easy available item by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1

    I get the feeling a lot of people think this device will be easily available at will for people who really make the choice to binge eat, then purge as the romans did. This is PROBABLY in real life meant for patients who have tried everything else and it just don't work. And we can moan "just stop eating" usually done by people on their tenth cup of coffee standing outside in freezing rain for the joy of smoking.

    Stomach bands sound simple but people die from them, no I don't know how, just know that it isn't a safe luxury operation done by doctors just because you asked.

    I would be highly surprised if on a NHS like system doctors are just going to put holes in peoples stomach designed to stay OPEN for the hell of it. Well at least I would be surprised if you couldn't bring such a doctor up before a tribunal. First do no harm is rather hard to claim when a person has a hole in their stomach.

    This probably isn't intended as a vanity item but a last ditch option for people for who other methods don't work. I can't imagine ANYONE is going to do is for vanity/fashion reasons however.

    Say for a instance a supermodel choosing this over bulemia, how is she going to explain the tube sticking out during a bikini shoot? Hell, wearing anything tight. Anyone doing this out of vanity reasons, is going to be talked out of it by their doctor. Holes in your body are NOT fun, just ask anyone with a colonspy (?) bag (lower down, for taking the shit out of you).

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  80. Eat food, mostly plants, not too much. by Organic+Brain+Damage · · Score: 1

    http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/news/20090323/7-rules-for-eating

    Segway seemed like a great idea....but it just lowered the physical activity level of people who stopped walking. Thus making them fatter. What a cunning plan to sell stomach evacuators.

  81. Why we get fat, and what to do about it.. by dfenstrate · · Score: 1

    ... Is a great book that helped me lose a lot of weight

    The author, Gary Taubes, basically says that a south beach/atkins/low glycerimic index diet is the way to go. He does so by explaining the metabolism at hand, and providing studies to explain various points.

    I read the book, shifted my eating habits, and lost thirty pounds rather easily. I then got lazy and sloppy and stopped losing weight- but my appetite and habits have been shifted enough that I haven't gained any back.

    One of the key insights in his book is that you'd give the same advice for building up an appetite before a sumptous dinner as you would give to someone losing weight- ie:
    1) Don't eat much before hand
    2) Exercise a bunch to make yourself hungry.

    Any scheme based on that alone is bound to fail. Any scheme where you can't eat whenever you want is bound to fail.

    That leaves what you eat as the variable. Taubes explains why you should stear away from vertain foods. Good luck.

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  82. Promote the ultimate waste by houbou · · Score: 1

    Overstuffed? Get our bullimi-o-matic 3000, with extra suction to keep that stomach lining fit and trim!

  83. Insurance Companies will have to buy it, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A diagnosis of bulimia will require insurance companies to purchase this thing as a medical device, since frequent vomiting causes so many problems to the upper GI tract.

    Good ole USA medicine - treat the symptoms, not the disease. The former is more profitable.

  84. But... by TeknoHog · · Score: 3, Funny

    My first name is Dieter, you insensitive clod!

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    1. Re:But... by Sussurros · · Score: 1

      Would that be Dieter von Mitblumenkohl by any chance? (that is dieter fun with cauliflower for those who don't care)

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  85. I'm tempted to agree... by Slartibartfast · · Score: 3, Informative

    Except, well... while I do own a Segway -- employees get what comes to a 50% discount, and in November of '08, it really, really looked like they were about to go belly-up; figured I'd get one while I still could -- I admit that the bike argument is a decent one. I really do enjoy riding Segways (or "PT's" -- personal transporters -- since Segway(tm) refers to the company, and not their product), but there are many drawbacks. Personally, I think they are freaking ideal for sightseeing. The best thing ever. As someone who'd ridden them for years, it wasn't until I'd gone on a sightseeing trip that I realized how awesome they can be, when used for their intended niche. Outside of that niche? Maybe not so much...

    Oh. And Dean likely didn't "invent" the pump, no more than he "invented" the Segway. (The insulin pump is all his, though.) What Dean truly excels at is putting a bunch of relatively inexpensive engineers in a big mill building, and then promoting himself on what they produce.

    1. Re:I'm tempted to agree... by kevmeister · · Score: 1

      Ahh. The Edison process to being a great inventor. It works quite well for someone who is enough of a genius to make it work.

      Edison and Kamen deserve credit for being able to do this, though the people working for them re denied credit they deserve. And remember that the only way they could build their invention factories is with money from their own inventions from which they could pay teams of smart engineers.

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    2. Re:I'm tempted to agree... by Slartibartfast · · Score: 1

      Y'know... it's funny. I never thought to compare the two, but you are, of course, completely correct. What in this day and age, you'd imagine it would be less likely a model -- after all, it's a whole lot easier for a miffed engineer denied credit to go on-line and attempt to regain some of it, even anonymously. Maybe there's a hint of cult of personality going on, too? That's the only explanation I have for some of the engineers who work for him being there, at the wages they're getting. I mean, it's not a sweat shop (though, ironically, it's located in a building that was one), but the engineers I've known who've worked for him fall into two very distinct camps: those who enjoy working for him (and, indeed, probably are), and those who would never return. Haven't seen a whole lot of middle ground.

  86. What an idiot by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    That is the most bullshit idea I've ever seen.

  87. Let me be the next to say by musmax · · Score: 1

    humanity is fucked.

  88. Quoting classics by sa666u · · Score: 1

    "...anything but jogging" Ricky Gervais

  89. Name Discrimination by ashshy · · Score: 1

    Sounds great... but what if my name isn't Dieter?

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  90. Eww by Skiboy941 · · Score: 1

    This is one of the most wasteful things I have ever seen. It's right up there with Hummers.

  91. Body tries stop you eating enormous amounts by gay358 · · Score: 1

    If the food doesn't have very high caloric "density", normal body should at some point start signalling that you have eaten enough. First hunger disappears and if you still force yourself to continue eating, you will start feeling nauseous and if you ignore that, at some point you start vomiting. However, some foods don't trigger that reactions fast enough compared to the calories they contain and there are sick people, like bulimics or persons with Prader-Willi syndrome, where this mechanism doesn't seem to work well enough, which cause them to eat extreme amounts.

    1. Re:Body tries stop you eating enormous amounts by ThePhilips · · Score: 1

      First hunger disappears and if you still force yourself to continue eating, you will start feeling nauseous and if you ignore that, at some point you start vomiting.

      The cold drinks. (Many placed do not even serve hot/warm/room temperature drinks!)

      According to some doctors, the cold drinks cause stomach to flush its content down the intestines. That means the food not yet fully dissolved and can't be fully digested.

      IOW, shortly after a bug gulp of cold Cola, you stomach is empty and ready to accept new food.

      However, some foods don't trigger that reactions fast enough [...]

      I think you are on the wrong track.

      Couple of fancy facts which I have picked up at different times.

      1. Most fast food contains lots of carbs, because the carbs trigger the satiety reaction in the body. So that you feel sat very shortly after start of the meal.

      2. Typical fast food lunch contains only about 40% of substances, required by the body to actually digest the meal. No food is perfect, but the fast food is worst.

      3. (Fact from personal experience) Unlike the vegetables, the red meat takes quite a lot of time to go through the digestive tract. And lots of food this days has meat. Many do not consider meal without meat a meal.

      It seems to me that many people are simply caught up in the loop. Fast food has enough calories, but our digestive system can't extract them. It goes through the digestive tract slowly (due to high meat content) and it extracts from it what it can.

      After learning the things I simply started eating more salads. On one of the jobs, I even had to extend my lunch time so that I can go to the nearest place which had the salad bar. (Because the usual salads suck.)

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    2. Re:Body tries stop you eating enormous amounts by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      In theory fiber supplements would then trick the body into feeling full under your scenario. But in practice it doesn't work in the longer run. The body has some very adept calorie accountants inside it who are not easily fooled. You can fool it for a week or months sometimes, but it seems to eventually realize the wool is being pulled over its eyes using spare tallies. It's true that everybody's different; I'm speaking from my observations.

  92. It's Bulimia w/o the awesome ab's by ai4px · · Score: 1

    It's Bulimia w/o the awesome ab's!! No need to workout your tummy muscles with this!

  93. Invention #1 creates the need for invention #2!! by cs668 · · Score: 1

    He is Fucking Brilliant!

    1) Invent machine to make people fat by removing the need for them to walk
    2) Make bulimia fashionable
    3) Profit!!!

    Brilliant!!!

  94. Minor quibble. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Dean Kamen's inventions" are rarely *his* inventions. The insulin pump is 100% his. In a sense, so is his business model: hire a bunch of smart engineers, relatively inexpensively, put them in a mill building in Manchester, NH, and tout whatever comes out as your idea. I doubt he actually uses those words -- but I also doubt he denies it when it's implicitly assumed.

  95. Fiction becomes faction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Visiting Deanery might involve stomach pumping due to extensive alcoholic consumption at the premises. The other kind of pumping has not been so common after the tennis incident, though.

  96. ID [Was: Re:Simple, vomitting is bad] by udippel · · Score: 1

    Totally OT.

    How does one manage to have a super-low ID (2919) with a super-new device identifier (Nexus7)??
    May, I, please, become a Galaxy-S-3 with an ID of, e.g. 1918? Pleeeeze!

    1. Re:ID [Was: Re:Simple, vomitting is bad] by chihowa · · Score: 2

      The replicants in Blade Runner were of the Nexus-6 series. I'm assuming UID 2919 has been engineered to live a little longer (given the low UID, he must be older than four).

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    2. Re:ID [Was: Re:Simple, vomitting is bad] by Nexus7 · · Score: 1

      Thank you. Yes, I'm older than 4. I'm old enough that I didn't think I'd see the day when Nexus7 meant anything other than the next series up from Nexus6!

  97. If insulin pumps are any indication by dorpus · · Score: 1

    Tubes going into your body are a source of nasty infections. These tubes will need to get cleaned regularly, with the additional complication of highly perishable food in it.

  98. Needs to be surgically implanted by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

    If your kid swallows something nasty it would be good to have this handy. There are certain things that should not be vomited up and this could be a useful application for the device (more useful than what they are marketing it for anyway).

    Its a device that needs to be surgically implanted that goes from the stomach through the abdominal wall; unless you have it implanted in your child in advance, its not going to be of any use if they swallow something they shouldn't.

  99. What could possibly go wrong? by locopuyo · · Score: 1

    What could possibly go wrong?

  100. One word... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...GROSS...

  101. OMG, it has problems sucking out cauliflower and broccoli. Is that going to be an issue for overweight people using this device? Maybe if you coat those veggies in cheese and butter the extra lubrication will aid the removal by the machine.

    I am surprised Dyson didn't invent this yet. He makes products that suck all the time, I am sure cauliflower wouldn't stop it.

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  102. I lost my appetite already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I lost my appetite just thinking about it...

  103. It's called... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a septic tank and drain field.

  104. robots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will the next FIRST challenge be a robot that vomits?

  105. we need more children by r00t · · Score: 1

    The big problem is that we need more of the right children.

    We could do this by dividing your government money (taxes and welfare) by family size. High income earners would thus be encouraged to have kids, while welfare recipients would be discouraged.

    A similar solution for China would be to offer 1-child-policy exemptions for women who do well on college entrance exams.

  106. Transporter? by PacRim+Jim · · Score: 1

    A natural application for a transporter.

  107. Step Aside Rube Goldberg by RevSpaminator · · Score: 1

    Wow, this is just f'n crazy. All I can think of is the movie Brazil. Between the ridiculous plastic surgery and the whacked HVAC systems, this thing sounds like something right out of Terry Gilliam's warped imagination. But it does work. :)

  108. What if your name's not Dieter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My name is Gunter, and I'm overweight. Is there a solution for us Gunters?

  109. Re:Immaculate bulimia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Depends on where you live. In places with alkaline soil this would be a great soil amendment if you want to grow acid loving plants like blueberries.

  110. The exponential decay diet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm mostly serious about this: at 30 expect to eat 1/2 of what you ate at 20. At 40, eat 1/2 that. At 50, 1/2 that, etc. When you're old and rich, you may not have hair or be wrinkle-free, but you'll have stayed thin and be eating an overpriced morsel of taste-rich food from a drizzle-decorated plate just like rich people in cartoons (and in real highbrow restaurants).

  111. Re:Immaculate bulimia by Smonson78 · · Score: 1

    Perhaps you could pump it directly into a hungry person's stomach.

  112. Oh for fuck's sake! by randyleepublic · · Score: 1

    This is the most retarded invention ever. If you want to lose weight, the answer is simple: eat nothing but meat, green vegetables, fat, and bottled water. You don't need to go hungry at all. You will lose all your excess weight in a jiffy, and you will feel great. Have a little rice once in a while. A LITTLE! Until you reach your ideal weight, then you can have a little more. The fat is key - I like ghee. Google it, and make it yourself. It's easy and tastes way better than any I've bought in a store.

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  113. Cure World Hunger by CJmango · · Score: 1

    This invention might seem shallow, but there is a noble plot afoot... These pumps will actually save the food they remove in order to be exported to poorer communities and nations around the world. Dean Kamen will solve world hunger by recycling pre-masticated food! Can you imagine... U.S. #1 export for 2013: pre-masticated food. We are certainly good at masticating!

  114. Prior art by hicksw · · Score: 1

    Romans. Ostrich Feathers. Vomitorium. Which see.
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  115. yet another direction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for a bukkake movie

  116. Gluttony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.openbible.info/topics/gluttony

  117. I somewhat disagree. by Slartibartfast · · Score: 1

    Your points are valid, but I think your conclusion misses the point. Scientific American, oh, 20 years ago, had a fascinating article, the basic conclusion of which was that the HUGE amount of (say) African famine is directly attributable to corruption and political instability. Bad infrastructure is a symptom of these. That's the irony, in a sense: colonialism in Africa implemented good infrastructure, but also the seeds of horrid political conditions after the collapse of said colonialism. Now the whole thing -- especially what with religious fanatics and easily accessible weapons in the mix -- is a vicious cycle. And, simply put, I don't see a way out of it.

    1. Re:I somewhat disagree. by LordLucless · · Score: 1

      Oh, absolutely. Poor infrastructure isn't the cause of famine, it's just the reason why the west can't feed these nation with their leftovers. Like I said, local production is key, and you can't have local production without stability. I'm just sick of the whole white-guilt "we're starving the poor brown people" rhetoric. It really is the modern acceptable version of the white man's burden.

      Sure, there's stuff we could be doing to help, but it's not supplying food and creating a benefactor-dependant relationship. We should be helping them stabilise their region through diplomacy, educating their people in modern agriculture, and supplying what they need to get started. That way they can eventually stand on the world stage as our equals, instead of the poor cousins constantly in need of help.

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