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How Much Beef Is In Your Burger?
dgharmon writes in with an interesting article about how much (or how little) beef is in a UK burger. "The presence of horsemeat in value beefburgers has caused a furore. But what is usually in the patties? It has been a sobering week for fans of the beefburger. Tesco have used full-page adverts in national newspapers to apologize for selling burgers in the UK that were found to contain 29% horsemeat. Traces of horse DNA were also detected by the Food Standards Agency of Ireland in products sold by Iceland, Lidl, Aldi and Dunnes. But a beefburger rarely contains 100% beef."
"Two all beef patties on a sesame seed bun!" Their commercials say it, it must be true.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Mmm... unlisted percentages of wheat flour, water, beef fat, soya protein isolate, salt, onion powder, yeast, sugar, barley malt extract, garlic powder, white pepper extract, celery extract and onion extract...
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I make burgers out of 100% beef and they are not steak
Probably safer, too. Ever hear of mad horse disease?
Do you even lift?
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@Freddie_UK: A woman has been taken to hospital after eating horsemeatburgers. Her condition is said to be stable.
@BobJWilliams: I expect this only relates to those mini-burgers you have as snacks. You know, the horse d'oeuvres.
@JohnMoynes: I get all my horsemeat from an independent dodgy butcher.
@DiamondsIRL: Are you in favour of Horsemeat in your burgers? Yay or Neigh?
@GBretman: So horsemeat has been found in TescoProducts but a spokesman says It's bollocks
@pinkyperfection: I had a tesco burger and now I'm feeling a little horse
@brucel: Those Aldi horse burgers were nice, but I prefer My Lidl Pony
@PaulLewis: Scientist: "Sir, we've discovered horse meat in your burgers." Tesco boss: "Why the long face?"
@PensionsMonkey: There was an old woman who swallowed a horse, she'd been to Tesco, of course.
@elhaydo: Good thing about these horse puns is it's stopped all the sick Jimmy Saddle jokes
The best #horsemeat Twitter gags following Tesco burger blunder
Deceptive trade practices is the problem.
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And you don't have to worry about any of this BS.
While I don't have numbers at hand, it is my understanding that there are very few horse slaughter facilities in North America. There is a certain horse culture that are very opposed to seeing any horse slaughtered, even for food.
So it was actually called the "Big Mr. Ed Burger" for a reason. I thought the name was the chef who invented it, not the actor that ended up in the first 91 copies. Chalk up one more mystery solved by teh intertubes.
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Actually horse meat is pretty good; I like it more than beef, and around here the price is comparable. It's tastier than beef, and also has fewer adverse consequences for your health. Horse meat becomes more tender as the animal ages - unlike cattle - and a rather larger percentage of the animal is good meat (although each horse eats more than cattle yielding similar meat mass). Of course, horses are often though of as companion animals, (disclaimer: I own and ride a horse) and it's not customary to eat any animal you gave a name to. Our horse has a name, and the kids would not tolerate any discussion of eating him...
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So nothing in there but beef? How does it all stick together?
Plus, all of their horses are 100% horse-fed for that double-horse juiced-in goodness!
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"If it were 100% beef it would be a steak."
"Steak" is the way the meat is cut, not what kind of meat it is. There is pork steak, salmon steak, etc.
100%, grass-fed on my acreage with no hormones, steroids, or antibiotics - processed in town by a local processor for $0.60/lb + a $50 kill fee, which includes vacuum packing and freezing.
Hi have no problem with the idea of eating horse meat, but I'd like to know in advance. Advertising your horse burgers as having '100% beef' is hardly fair warning.
Sawdust. 100% Natural.
At least that what it seems they use in the US.
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Love keeps it together.
I know they put some fillers (soy protein, wheat, water, etc.) and flavoring (onion, celery, etc.) in my hamburger meat. I'm fine with that. But if you're selling me beef burgers, then I want the meat parts to be beef. I have no particular gut reaction against eating horse and it can actually be tasty to mix a little pork into ground beef; I just think they should be honest about what they are selling.
It just comes down to honesty.
Sorry, turning a decent steak into a burger makes no sense without additives. The way to treat a steak is to pocket it and fill it with blue stilton, not slobber it with mayo and red sauce.
a beefburger rarely contains 100% beef.
... and a hamburger rarely contains 100% ham.
Beef fat.
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
In the US awhile back there was a scandal involving something called pink slime which was added to ground "beef". TV news showed this stuff's manufacture out of leftover parts of who knows what. Watching the making or sausage or laws might have been less disgusting. Horse meat might be better than this stuff.
In the Western US there is also major concern about the round up of wild mustang horses for slaughter for dog food. Maybe some of them ended up in British grocery store raw burger.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell
I believe the article was referring to the UK. I don't know what the laws are there, but here in the U.S., a company would be closed down quickly if it were found the meat had been adulterated like that.
Sure, there was the flap over "pink slime"... but that was still beef, though it was washed in ammonia. I don't think it was the meat people were bitching about so much as the ammonia.
It should be noted that only one company produced the ammonia-soaked "pink slime", and they don't do it anymore. Other companies process trimmings, too, but they already used other methods to keep the meat bacteria-free.)
It's like Taco Bell, implying that you're actually getting 100% beef, while instead they say "We start with 100% beef". Of course in the end you only end up with 36% meat, but that's not something they advertise very loudly.
It's not about the ethics of the animal in question, it's about the promises made by the manufacturer (no mention of horse) and the questions of quality control, correct process and oversight.
My concern isn't "OMG HORSIES!"
My concern is "fuck you consumer" as they pump the product full of whatever they think they can get away with to turn a profit.
Now there's one hoopy frood who really knows where his towel is!
I would purchase them again today. Horses are not especially more intelligent than cows.
What does intelligence have to do with the taste, quality, or safety of meat? By your logic, we should all engage in cannibalism, or if that makes you squeamish, we should eat dolphins and apes.
If I can be modded down for being a troll, can I be modded up for being an orc, or a balrog?
Interesting how the Brits feel funny eating Horsemeat. Sister-in-law in Vancouver, Canada has served Steak & Kidney pie to local Canucks, who aren't too keen on the ingredients once they hear what they are (well, one of them).
... "sweetbreads" ... Prairie oysters ... etc etc
Maybe we need a slashdot poll on "What sorts of meat are deemed inappropriate to eat in your country?"
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Here is a video of a TV show Heston Blumenthal did in the UK, which demonstrated how you can make a burger using only chunks of sirloin and salt as the binding agent.
Looks pretty good to me!
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You buy your burgers premade! I eat burgers frequently, but I make them myself. it would never occur to me to purchase them premade. Just grind the meat, take a bunch of the result, mix it up with some garlic and onions, and a few other species, then pack it gently with your hands, and that's it!
it's the grease in the meat that keep it together. You don't need anything else.
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"The presence of horsemeat in value beefburgers has caused a furore. But what is usually in the patties? It has been a sobering week for fans of the beefburger. Tesco have used full-page adverts in national newspapers to apologise for selling burgers in the UK that were found to contain 29% horsemeat. Traces of horse DNA were also detected by the Food Standards Agency of Ireland in products sold by Iceland, Lidl, Aldi and Dunnes. But a beefburger rarely contains 100% beef."
"An eight-pack of Tesco Everyday Value Beefburgers, one of the products cited as potentially containing horse flesh, contains 63% beef, 10% onion and unlisted percentages of wheat flour, water, beef fat, soya protein isolate, salt, onion powder, yeast, sugar, barley malt extract, garlic powder, white pepper extract, celery extract and onion extract. Asda's Smartprice Economy Beefburgers -not among those identified by the Irish testers as containing horse or pig DNA -contain 59% beef along with other ingredients such as rusk, water, stabilisers (diphosphates and triphosphates) and beef fat."
So the English and the Irish have been unknowingly been eating 'Flicka'?! Ew-w-w!!
"Both products cost just £1 a box, as do similar frozen burgers sold by Iceland. The Oakhurst 100% Beef Quarter Pounders, sold by Aldi and implicated in the scandal, cost £1.39 for a box of eight."
That is pretty cheap for eight pattys though. How can an American get these in the U.S.?
Dont't get it, meat is meat, and with spices on it'll taste the same. If people get upset by horsemeat, cowmeat , dogmeat or whatever, maybe they shoudln't eat meat at all.
I don't think problem is so much that people don't think ProteinX is less efficient than ProteinY...
But, if you're lying about what kind of meet is being sold... then what else are you lying about? How about the health standards? What about the chemicals used in said animal? As much steroids and stuff they put in beef (food-animals) what about animals that might not have been raised for food? What about a racing horse which can have nastier stuff in there.
Let's put it this way... let's say you find out your casual s*xual partner is lying about some pretty heavy s*x stuff... perhaps about how faithful and/or if they've gone bare-back with someone else just before you met. How much are you gonna trust "It's OK, I've been tested"
Generally speaking, a beef patty that's 100% beef has to be stuck together with fat. In other words it's unhealthy AND pretty tasteless.
Of course. Because, you know, a beef patty that has no fat is the apex of tastiness. Oh, wait...
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I have done this in the past but most people live in cities.
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They never tell us how much dog is in our hot dogs either :(
I would purchase them again today. Horses are not especially more intelligent than cows.
Viewing this though the issue of horsemeat misses the bigger (and more important) question raised. Namely, that if horsemeat was able to end up where it shouldn't have, what other garbage has "accidentally" made its way into these burgers over the years?
Meat rejected for human consumption (destined for pet food and the like or for destruction) making its way back into the human food chain? Quite likely, this has already been heard of. Other animals? God knows what crap?
It's not remotely surprising that burgers costing less than 13p each (inc. VAT (*)) would contain any old rubbish. Doesn't mean it's acceptable for anyone to sell that, regardless of the price, but it shouldn't be surprising.
(*) Sales tax, for the benefit of those outside the UK
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I have done this in the past but most people live in cities.
Rattus norvegicus is pretty common in the city scape.
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you do realize, the best tasting steaks/burgers derive a lot of their flavor... from fat...
You might be close.
When I inquired as to why a local fast food restaurant was selling "shakes", not "milkshakes", I found out that they could not sell them as "milk" shakes because there was not enough milk in them. They were selling sweetened sawdust ( aka "cellulose" ).
OK. It tastes good. Not all that good for you, just sugar and indigestibles, no nutritive content at all from what I can tell. But pleasurable to ingest. OK, at least I know what it is and make my decisions accordingly.
( incidentally, their coffee is made with some topping which is completely indigestible to me. I found out during a bout of flu. It all came out, processed, but untouched. Lots of it. I think it was sweetened and foamed Olestra.
Same with the horse meat. I will consider it no big deal if it is accurately represented on its bill of contents. It can be ground up worms for what I care. If it is biologically compatible with me and it tastes good, I'll go for it.
Personally, I am far more concerned with pesticide and other biocide remnants in my food. I am far more concerned with genetically modified stuff than things that have been in the food chain since life began. I do not know how well I or others may metabolize sheep designed to put spider silk proteins in their milk or corn designed to make its own pesticide. I guess time will tell.
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]
posting a picture of some blokes dong going around and around while another blokes meat is shoved up his arse is not a very senstive thing to post to other slashdot readers........UNCOol
Have you never met an FFA member or gone to a 4H event?
And we eat pigs (typically the pets even). And rabbits. And fish.
As to eating cats and dogs, I'm not against it personally.
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Thank you for saying this. The problem is indeed not the horse meat, but the act of putting 29% (one third!) of it in a burger without the customer knowing.
Cats and dogs are carnivores and on top of the food chain where the less than healthy stuff gets concentrated. All herbivores are good to eat, unless they're fed odd diets or medicated.
Flourescent (adj): smelling like ground wheat.
Horses are very rarely pets, only for the very rich. They are usually just living tools. Just because you can care about something doesn't mean you can't eat it. Or are you a vegetarian? Anybody who thinks there's any difference between eating a cow and eating a cat or dog has some serious cognitive dissonance going on.
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Bullshit. Come to Argentina, and even the cheapest* beef burgers are really 100% beef (and lots of industrial junk of course, but no other meats)
*: about GBP 0.50 each
no, by his logic, we should eat you
I'm flattered, but just because I'm smart doesn't mean I would taste very good! That was kind of the point of my comment.
If I can be modded down for being a troll, can I be modded up for being an orc, or a balrog?
Not as seldom as it could be: http://www.marketplace.org/topics/world/drugged-american-horsemeat-sold-europe
"The way to treat a steak is to pocket it and fill it with blue stilton, not slobber it with mayo and red sauce."
I don't disagree about the mayo and red sauce. But blue stilton? Yuck.
Farmer: "Hey, Marge! Come look at this cheese. It's been sitting in the cow barn all winter. It's got blue-green sh*t growing all over it. Should we eat it?"
Marge: "No".
Indeed, part of the reason McDonald's patties taste so horrible is, ironically, that they're too healthy. Years of campaigning by public health groups has led to McDonald's using a ridiculously low fat and sodium content in their burgers, which results in them tasting bland and rubbery.
I dunno. There are recipies for cat. And I've heard legends of dogs being eaten, too. Which of course is crazy talk.
If you breed animals for food then you pay attention to what they eat.
But if you only have chestnuts then you propably breed pigs. Cats get pretty distracted by small round objects and might starve to death.
All flippancy aside you are right. This is a huge problem with fish. The big fish that ate all the other fishes also got all the mercury. Yummy.
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I would purchase them again today.
Horses are not especially more intelligent than cows.
Horse meat is also very tasty -- I like it better than beef. Unfortunately, it's very difficult to buy where I live. One restaurant offered it, but there was a huge uproar about it and I believe they've now taken it off their menu.
It's really not fair that I should have to change my diet because of a bunch of loud-mouthed activisits. Either meat is legal or it isn't, and -- except for reasons of public health -- I don't see why some species should be considered 'OK' and others not.
Dont't get it, meat is meat, and with spices on it'll taste the same. If people get upset by horsemeat, cowmeat , dogmeat or whatever, maybe they shoudln't eat meat at all.
Wrong. You don't want to eat the meat from an animal that also eats meat. Remember what happened when they fed ground up cows to cows? It doesn't end well.
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What the hell is this doing on Slashdot?
And why is everyone discussing beef in the comments like it's competely normal for a tech website for nerds to post this stuff...
So...what's your beef with that?
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Actually, they are more intelligent overall. But more importantly, they are so much more yummy! Where can I buy horsemeat in the US?
Beef sticks to beef. You don't have to add things to it, you can buy a steak, put it through a grinder, take out the result and make a patty from it. It may be crumbly, but it will stick together sufficiently for a home burger (I don't care if it would get sent back in a restaurant).
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When I inquired as to why a local fast food restaurant was selling "shakes", not "milkshakes", I found out that they could not sell them as "milk" shakes because there was not enough milk in them. They were selling sweetened sawdust ( aka "cellulose" ).
My understanding is that McDonald's shakes are mostly potato starch. I think this is because it's more stable than half-melted ice cream; you can make the shakes quickly and they will have the consistency customers expect. Real ice cream shakes run the risk of liquefying prematurely. The part about them "not containing enough milk" is probably urban legend, though.
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Pigs are omnivorous and they eat all kind of stuff. We still eat them.
Actually, I think his argument was the opposite, saying that because horses are not that intelligent either, he's not worried about eating them.
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If you breed animals for food then you pay attention to what they eat.
Yes, like Mad Cow, which was caused by feeding cow brains to other cows. Very very careful about what they let the cows eat.
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So nothing in there but beef? How does it all stick together?
Is this supposed to be a joke? Because I don't get it. Who has not made a burger with ground beef?
Anybody who thinks there's any difference between eating a cow and eating a cat or dog has some serious cognitive dissonance going on.
Cows aren't supposed to eat meat. When they do, we get mad cow disease, and other problems. Herbivores fed only plants are "safer" than omnivores. Pigs shouldn't be eaten because they are so full of disease. Cats and dogs would have the same issue, if they were raised for meat.
Anyone who thinks there's no difference between an herbivore and an omnivore has some serious ignorance going on. So yes, cows are "better" to eat than cats and dogs.
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Various people have commented that this isn't about the fact it was horse, that it's all about deception or poor food quality.
Actually it's about food safety, traceability, and the long shadow of BSE.
After the BSE scandal, the UK and EU introduced some of the strictest standards and processes for the tracking and tracing of meat in the world. These recent cases have demonstrated that these processes do not appear to be working.
The scandal here is not that supermarkets were selling burgers with horsemeat in, it was that they *didn't know* they were selling horsemeat. In theory they should be able to trace every gram of meat in their burgers.
Somehow meat of unknown origin was getting into the food chain.
If we can't prevent horsemeat getting in then we can't prevent infected beef from getting in.
That's the real scandal, that the world's toughest food traceability system appears not to work properly.
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um, nobody was talking about quality of meat or bioavailability of what's consumed. As well, if you think pigs are so full of disease you really need to realize we don't live in biblical times anymore. Garbage in, garbage out. Unlike, of course, some humans who can't process context. Feed in some perfectly logical relevant conversation and out comes so random garbage from left field.
Don't complain about syntax, grammar, or spelling. There is no.hell like input on android.
The best part of the article is this quote from [Guardian correspondent] Felicity Lawrence:
"You get what you pay for," wrote Felicity Lawrence in the Guardian.
"The only surprise about the latest adulteration scandal, in which beefburgers at rock bottom prices turn out to contain horsemeat and traces of pig, is perhaps that they contain meat at all."
It's just so obvious! The low price should have been a clear tipoff to consumers that the beef advertized as beef wasn't what it seemed.
I can't wait to hear Felicity's special in-depth report on generic drugs.
As has been said repeatedly, the problem is that the burgers are advertised as containing only beef as their constituent meat. Nowhere does it say that they may/definitely do contain bits of horse and pig in them as well.
Furthermore, this evidence of lax quality assurance and regulation opens the door to some (reasonable) speculation. There may well be parts of these animals that are risky to eat in the affected burgers. Maybe the constituent animals were condemned. Who knows what went on in the production? Those things wouldn't be good at all.
Maybe you would be satisfied with food producers putting whatever they want into the food and selling it under the guise of some other substance, but not many people seem to be.
Hopefully some chain will bring out Proper Horseburgers.
"Oh you are so missing out."
No, I am not.
I've tried that as well as other "blue" cheese variants, and I just don't like them.
To me, they taste like... well... mold.
There was pig DNA, too, which I'm sure has upset some of the more upsettable people around.....
um, nobody was talking about quality of meat or bioavailability of what's consumed.
Yeah, someone was talking about how "meat is meat" and implied that all meat was the same. I proved that jackass wrong.
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Salt
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A below threshold number of rat droppings, guano and cockroach parts
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I would have modded you up but I don't currently have any mod points. I decided to post a smug comment that you probably don't agree with instead.
First off I have never [knowingly] eaten horse meat.
I do not have a problem with it though. If someone wants to sell me a horse steak or burger (or a burger containing horse) I would try it.
However the real issue here is the fact that there was nowt in the product description saying there was horse in it that is where the real scandal is. If I buy a burger at the supermarket I expect to be able to read the ingredients and make an informed decision about weather I want to eat it or not. When considered like this the fact that there was pork in the burgers is as bad as the horse.
There is an issue with eating horse though, the problem lies with the fact that horse is very difficult to trace as most of it comes from the USA where the animals primary function is either racing or a pet, these animals are usually sent north to Canada or south to Mexico and tractability is often lost. OK I have absolutely no problem with eating pets, my grandfather gave me a rabbit to look after which was the prepared and served to me as a pie (I think this was meant to be a life lesson about livestock), I never had a problem with this. The problem is these animals are given (large amounts of) drugs that are really bad for humans, the classic case is Bute which is an anti-inflammatory for horses. Bute is a carcinogen at not suitable for use in humans nor any live stock that will go into the food of humans.
Having said al that, the suggestion that these burgers have 29% horse meat is as I understand is completely wrong. The findings state that 29% of the DNA is horse. This is probably due to a dried protein (which has a higher density of DNA than meat) that has been made from horse. I believe the protein is used to help stabilise the added water and make it something like a burger. (I only found out about this part today on BBC Radio4's food programme - which I consider a reliable source).
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If you care about man-made chemicals in your food I would avoid meat altogether:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioaccumulation
Even stuff that was never intended to end up even in trace amounts in the food chain ends up in it. And the higher you position yourself in the food chain, the higher the quantities of nasty chemicals that keep piling up inside your body.
Who put the horse in the hors d'oeuvres
That's my problem also, I found it weird reading an article from the BBC about why we hate horsemeat, as if that's what this is about..
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I actually RTFA.
What TFA talked about is "MEAT", and it doesn't really matter *WHICH* type of meat that ends up in the economy burger, as long as it is "MEAT".
This is totally horrendous.
And I thought the gomen takes good care of the people !!!
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Generally speaking, a beef patty that's 100% beef has to be stuck together with fat. In other words it's unhealthy AND pretty tasteless.
Sure, if you use a definition of "beef" that means "purely muscle matter and absolutely no fat". However, I've never heard such a thing before, but I have commonly heard the term "beef fat", so I don't know where you get that "100% beef" would mean fat-free.
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In the 70s, McDonalds standardized on 17-19% fat in their burger meats. The store I worked at tested it regularly and reported the results. A little black machine you plugged in, filled a cup with thawed meat, turned on, and when the light went out, you removed a vial and noted the level of fat/etc. in the vial. FIll out the report and include it with the weekly paperwork.
And this was a fanchisee, not a McOpCo store. We came within $5000 of a million in sales that year, failing only, we suspect, because a McOpCo (company-owned, not franchised) store opened after Christmas in the same city, the second one in the area. Darn.
At that time, there were not many million dollar stores.
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Who were these customers who made McDonald's think a milkshake needs to be of such a consistency that you have to use an industrial suction pump to get it through the straw? I want to go back in time and kick them all in the nuts.
"Wait. Something's happening. It's opening up! My God, it's full of apricots!"
re: found out that they could not sell them as "milk" shakes because there was not enough milk in them
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Breyer's which used to make real ice cream, has turned from selling 64 ounces of ice-cream into selling 48-ounces of frozen milk and oil and carageenan which can no longer legally be called ICE-CREAM so they sell it as FROZEN DAIRY DESSERT. My mom tells me they used to run commercials about how they only made ice-cream out of pure pure ingerdients and didn't believe me when I told her that she had NOT bought ice-cream.
I pointed out the ingredients to her, and we went back to the Ralphs in the village and got our money back. We looked at all of the breyer's flavors they had in the freezer at the store and 90% of them now were labeled "Frozen Dessert Product" and NOT labelled as ice-cream. This is serious crap, people, at least for true ice-cream as a religion type people like me. Do Not Encourage these idiots by buying their "Frozen Dessert" products. Only buy real REAL ice-cream.
If it were 100% beef it would be a steak.
You don't have "topside mince" where you live?
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That's racist
That's how you identify a good burger, it crumbles.
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Before Mad Cow disease was there any known health issues with feeding cows cow brain?
So is Felis silvestris catus.
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The issue is that basically nobody is testing the foodstuffs we eat. I live in Europe, but I have little hope that the food I buy contains exactly what it is supposed to contain. And as more and more in the food industry wake up to the fact that nobody is really watching, the quality of food will decline ever more. That olive oil from Greece? The chance that it's actually extra virgin is ZERO - nobody will bother checking for rancidification (caused by hot pressing the oil, instead of cold pressing as extra virgin requires). And that ground Zeylanicum cinnamon you paid so much for? Yep, that's mostly Cassia mixed in, because Cassia costs 10x less.
There are many more examples, including the methanol poisonings of recent years.
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Go to a butcher shop and have them grind you up some fresh serloin.
Heat up an iron skillet. Fry up a few rashers of bacon (I like Wright's) until it's nice and crispy. Take the bacon out of the skillet when done.
Dice up some yellow onion and sautee it in the bacon grease. When done, set aside.
Form the ground sirloin into thin patties, throw on a little salt and pepper, and cook them in the bacon/onion grease. It will take some trial and error to figure out how to get a good medium using this technique - on my regular sized burner on medium-high heat it takes 2-3 minutes a side. If you want cheese, put a slice of American on a minute or two before you pull them off. The heat from the skillet will melt the cheese onto the burger. You can put on any kind of cheese you like, but American is designed to be melted onto things, so it works out the best.
When finished, heat up some sesame seed burger buns in the microwave for about twenty seconds. Combine the burger, onion and bacon in the bun. Optionally add mustard - though they are so good I usually don't add anything else.
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It makes no sense period. You don't use the same cut of meat you'd use to make a great steak to grind for burgers.
Beef heart is all muscle and no fat. Incredible when smoked for a few hours.
All horses are mad. Batshit freaking crazy. Followed closely by their riders.
When I inquired as to why a local fast food restaurant was selling "shakes", not "milkshakes", I found out that they could not sell them as "milk" shakes because there was not enough milk in them. They were selling sweetened sawdust ( aka "cellulose" ).
The situation with Ice Cream is similar to Milkshake versus Shake.
Many ice cream-type products no longer contain enough of the right ingredients to be called "ice cream" so new labels like "light ice cream" or "frozen dairy product" now appear on packaging.
This has happened to formerly top tier products like Breyer's which used to contain "Milk, cream, sugar and vanilla" which now contains an array of fillers and modifiers and other ingredients, and is no longer a top-tier brand. As a result, it is no longer legally allowed to call itself ice cream. It's also no longer a full half gallon but some smaller size closer to a quart. But that is a whole other change.
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I agree with you in that it's not cool to put whatever they think they can as long as its cheap, however I don't understand the upset when we voluntarily (even if some of us might not do it that much, for varying levels of "that much") eat things that are pumped full of artificial color, flavoring, bht, bha and over conservatives, etc etc, which nowadays most food is made with, and manufacturers even tell us about it in the ingredients list!.
The only kind of better food we could possibly eat, short of growing/breeding your own, is organic stuff, without all that extra industrial slime, however how expensive that is? how much "organic" is it?
And then we wonder where all that cancer comes from...
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Blue cheese isn't bad, as long as it's nowhere near mayo. The salad dressing is awful. As they say, leave ranch in the fridge for a decade, it turns into blue cheese.
Putting it into a steak implies overcooking the steak. I kind of like it in a burger (which I'm going to overcook as it's ground).
The way to treat a steak is salt, black pepper, cayane and garlic. Then sear on a hot fire until the center of the meat is the temperature the steer was walking around. That's 'very rare' if you order. If you're cooking you want it well before it changes from 'natural tit' to 'implant tit' in touch.
Steak should speak for itself. Cheese, mushrooms etc has no place except as a side.
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Not going to comment on your mental capacity, but you definitely didn't get the point of the OP's comment, which was objecting to eating animals that were beyond a certain level of intelligence.
A friend of mine had a rule that he "wouldn't eat animals smarter than his cat". Beef, chicken, lamb, and most seafood were ok, but pigs and oddly but probably correctly octopus were not. Then again that was until he married into a Chinese family and eventually gave up. (Is this vegetarian? Yes, yes, just vegetables. What's that? Oh, that's not meat, that pork is just for flavor...)
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Too bad they tried to sneak it in. I bet there's a marketing ploy that could make horse meat burgers a profitable commodity. Haven't yet myself, but I'd really like to try horsemeat; some have said it's quite tasty. Personally I'd like to know how it compares to venison, a meat I very much enjoy.
It would be nice to have more accessible options for red meat than corn fed (or, for a premium, grass-fed) cow. I understand how fat and marbling affects flavor and texture, but it makes sense to me to train yourself to prefer healthier foods. It seems a fair assumption that horse meat will be a lot leaner than cow meat.
Try the local 'carnecarea' (Mexican butcher shop). That's where I get goat. It's like lamb only better.
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Cats and dogs are domesticated animals that eat whatever humans feed them. Dogs raised for food (in Korea, for example) have a diet no worse (maybe better) than most cattle. And even the average family dog and house cat eat perfectly safe food that is not "concentrating" poisons.
Not that I am really interested in eating either of them, but let's not make excuses, the reason is purely psychological.
I've been around horses in both the US and the UK, and it just seems like the general population of horses in the states are more inquisitive and self-aware than the horses in the UK. The horses I've seen in the UK seem more or less like cows, they just stand there and react bluntly. I've seen a horse in the US 1. do something it knew was "bad" 2. shy away and trot away slowly, looking guilty when the owner approached 3. got even more pitiful when the owner scolded it. Seems more like a smart terrier dog than a cow. I know they sure calculate their surroundings well...if an overweight person tries to approach a US horse they might get visibly nervous or even flee.
That may explain the difference in attitude between areas. It is hard to feel sorry for an animal that is dense (hence our healthy and unapologetic appetite for cow meat), but a smart animal that you easily develop a relationship with would seem inhumane to use as livestock.
You know, perhaps cow populations in India may be much more intelligent than the average Western cows, and that may be why they are reluctant to eat them. It'd be worth investigating, certainly.
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A good patty will contain lean beef alongside many other ingredients, such as eggs, herbs, breadcrumbs, onions, etc. Beef naturally contains some fat, but a patty that's "100% beef" has to have had extra fat added in to keep it from falling apart. It's not nice and it tastes rubbish.
No one said 100% lean beef. If you can't grill a tasty burger that is nothing but ground beef, salt, and pepper, you need to let someone else do the cooking.
If you take a sirloin steak and put it in a meat grinder, you can form what comes out into a patty and it sticks together just fine.
Because the uploader was uploading it on behalf of a TV network.
This was paid for (I presume) by four unskippable ads on the intro, and four unskippable ads in the middle.
Tofu is bland, tasteless and very healthy and low in fat. Basically, food that tastes good to us is bad for us. So if it isn't tofu, it'll kill you somehow.
Sure you do. If you're cutting up a beef sirloin, you're guaranteed to have some bits left over that are perfectly good meat, but for some reason won't make a good saleable steak (too small, too odd shaped, maybe with a piece of gristle running right through the middle). Take those bits, toss them in the grinder, and you've got good hamburger meat.
The disease could have been around forever, but would not have mattered as the cows were wandering around eating grass, not other cow's heads. The feed lot mentality of "protein is protein" and trying to gain as much weight as possible as quickly as possible has produced many side effects, the transfer of mad cow being a fairly obvious one.
that price makes the issue obvious. I a ball of paper the same size would cost more, then whatever you are purchasing isnt food.
I can see the ads now: "Tesco's horseburgers were less than 30% horse. Our horseburgers are the genuine article, 100% pure horse, no byproducts, no fillers, and certainly no beef!"
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Lou: I went to the McDonald's over in Shelbyville the other day.
Chief Wiggum: The Mc-what?
Lou: Yeah, I never heard of it either but they say they have over 2,000 locations in this state alone.
Eddie: Hmm... Must've sprung up over night.
Lou: But you know, it's the little differences.
Chief Wiggum: Example.
Lou: Well, at a McDonald's you can get a Krusty Burger with cheese. But they don't call it a Krusty Burger with cheese.
Chief Wiggum: Get out. What do they call it?
Lou: A "Quarter Pounder" with cheese.
Chief Wiggum: "Quarter Pounder" with cheese? Well, I can see the cheese but? Do they have Krusty's "Partially Gelatinated, Non-Dairy, Gum-Based Beverages"?
Lou: Yeah, they call them "shakes."
Eddie: Huh. "Shakes." You don't know what you're gettin'.
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How does it stick? Fat. Beef fat. Muscle tissue and fat all ground together kind of stick together. Extra lean beef ground into ground beef doesn't stick together especially well. For that reason, the butcher actually ADDS BEEF FAT to the mix. It's still 100% beef. Only when he starts adding other ingredients is it no longer 100% beef. Spices, flour, cornmeal, anything that wasn't a natural part of the cow before it was slaughtered causes his ground beef to be less than 100% pure beef.
The leanest ground beef you will ever buy actually has about ten or fifteen percent fat by volume. Really cheap ground beef might have as much as fifty percent. Visit a butcher shop, watch the butcher making the ground beef. Ask him how much fat is in each grade, and ask him why. You may well get more accurate figures than I'm offering - I've only guessed at the ten or fifteen percent. But, I'm pretty sure of the fifty percent in the really cheap stuff.
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Ireland is not part of the UK. Unless you lot want to go back to being good little colonists too?
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"Years of campaigning by public health groups [has caused an increase in public awareness of the dangers of high-fat/high-sodium diets and a new tendency for customers to choose "healthier" alternatives such as Subway, this drop in sales] has led to McDonald's using a ridiculously low fat and sodium content in their burgers"
There is that better?
Where do you get the idea that "pigs are full so of disease"?
Just because they they are covered in mud doesn't mean that that they are disease-ridden (pigs roll in mud to regulate body temp). And if you are basing it on the smell alone, go visit a ferret farm, pigs smell like roses compared to ferrets
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Actually, huge quantities of soy protein isn't that great for people either due to vegetable estrogen analogues and such. A moderate amount is great for you, shouldn't really be the foundation food source though.
Tofu isn't very low in fat. It derives almost half of it's calories from it.
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/legumes-and-legume-products/4393/2
88 calories per half cup, 44 from fat.
I believe you might be referring to it being low in saturated fat, or trans fat. Which would be true. But there's tons of fat in there.
there are restaurants (at least in canada) that serve horsemeat, but don't list it on the menu (you have to special-request it)
Lets not forget about canis lupus familiaris. I hear those are a delicacy in some parts of the world.
I do not know how well I or others may metabolize sheep designed to put spider silk proteins in their milk or corn designed to make its own pesticide.
Pretty well actually. While the sheep isn't for eating, the protein inserted into corn is the same thing that has been used in organic farming for decades to no ill effect. We know how the protein works, there have been a plethora of safety studies, and there has never been a single case of someone being hurt by that kind of corn. Also, 'corn designed to make its own pesticides' describes all corn. Even your non-GMO corn will be chock full of natural insecticides like maysin...plants all make insecticides, how else did you think they defend themselves from insect attack? And talking about things that have been in the food chain since life began then mentioning corn is somewhat ironic. Corn, as a New World crop, is a relatively new addition to the diets of people of European, Asian, and African descent, and far from having been around since time began, it was created by humans from teosinte.
Technically I think that's religionist, as my black Muslim friend demonstrates admirably. No specific race has an aversion to food products, only adherents of a given religion, and i'm sure there are countless races under the Islamic banner, and Jews are pretty diverse too. (The Jew I know the best is an adopted Korean American messianic Jewish convert)
These are modern consumers we're talking about here. They've done their best to make sure they are as far away from the source of their food as possible. They may not even cook. They probably get all of their "food" out of shiny plastic bags. Clearly, most have them have never used a meat grinder.
Hunk of cow goes in... burgers come out.
The ground cow has no problem sticking together by itself in the pan or on the plate.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
I am pretty sure that you cannot legally buy horse meat in the U.S. for human consumption. A few years back, Congress passed a law making it illegal for meat packing plants in the U.S. to export horse meat for human consumption. I believe the law was repealed because it caused a massive increase in abandoned and unwanted horses to the point where animal rescue groups which dealt with horses were overwhelmed and could not provide shelter and food for all of the horses that they were being asked to rescue.
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The point isn't what do you expect but what it "should" contain. The article at makes makes it seem foolish to expect hamburger to be made of beef and you should feel luck it has any meat at all. The fillers and horsemeat aren't about making a cheaper more afordable product as many suggest it's about maximizing profits. I looked it up and if you ground the whole dressed carcass including the expensive cuts it'd only be around $2 a pound not counting grinding costs. The point being they use the absolute worst cuts and even that is too good so they cut it with pink slime and other fillers and even that isn't enough so they add in horse meat. The label needs to reflect the actual ingredients and proportions. If corporations could get away with it they'd sell us beef flavored sawdust and sell it for the same price meat should sell for.
How is this any different than getting anthrax poisoning from cows that fed from overgrazed fields? (anthrax bacteria naturally grows in soil and one of the causes of natural anthrax poisoning in humans is through cows that have ingested this soil)
Ironically enough, pigs are actually best suited to modern factory farming conditions. They can eat all kinds of industrial waste and thrive industrial conditions in a manner that other animals like cows and chickens find difficult. If they re-wrote Leviticus today it would be Beef and Chicken that would be unfit for human consumption.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
Pigs are omnivorous and they eat all kind of stuff. We still eat them.
I eat my beef steaks rare, but pork is always cooked through. Significant difference in the treatment of the meat.
Well, then why not eat humans then? . The reasoning is simple. We don't eat members of our own species. Under an extension to that same rule, certain species are close to us for one reason or the other, therefore we don't eat them either. Apes are close to us in intelligence, therefore we don't eat them. Dogs and Horses are highly intelligent, and close to us because they are our pets/working animals, therefore, we don't eat them. If you don't see a difference between eating an animal that we raise for food such as a cow and eating an animal that has been our loyal companion for thousands of years such as dogs, then what difference do you see between eating a cow and a human?
WTF am I doing replying to an AC at 5 A.M on a Friday night?
THIS. If we where to kill all dogs for food, big fat chinese bastards would get them,and the poor would still be starving.
We have the technology to feed the entire planet, it's the will to do so we're lacking.
WTF am I doing replying to an AC at 5 A.M on a Friday night?
Have gnu, will travel.
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Where do you get the idea that "pigs are full so of disease"?
From paying attention to life. Though Wikipedia agrees with me. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig#Health_issues
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Not quite the same thing. Those are flavored with bacteria. The "bloomy" cheeses are mold.
Even so... smell is one thing, taste is quite another.
I'll pass on them both, thanks. Give me a good slice of cheddar, gouda, edam, mozzarella, colby, jack... whatever. As long as it's all cheese, not bacteria or mold.
How is this any different than getting anthrax poisoning from cows that fed from overgrazed fields? (anthrax bacteria naturally grows in soil and one of the causes of natural anthrax poisoning in humans is through cows that have ingested this soil)
Anthrax is nasty, but treatable. Mad cows disease is nastier and untreatable (they can prolong the time until death a bit, i think, but that doesn't count).
Human limitations and fallibility have nothing to do with economics in particular. We only see a tiny fraction of our own tiny corner of the world, and have limited means to process that information, so why would it be otherwise? Unintended consequences are a constant result of everything that we do, starting with getting out of bed in the morning. Does that mean we'd be better off not using the limited faculties that we do have? No, in general they help us. Otherwise we would still be bacteria.
Pig is still full of disease, pretty much regardless of how it's raised. Cow and chicken is diseased through farming methods. If you don't feed cow to cow, you don't get mad cow. If you give space and good conditions, you don't get salmonella.
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Pigs are omnivorous and they eat all kind of stuff. We still eat them.
Cows will happily eat meat too if you feed it to them in a form that they can digest. Doesn't mean it's a good idea to feed it to them.
I'm currently raising Kobe dog. Beer fed, massaged. Cats for his entertainment.
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What an amazingly small world we live in! Until about four hours ago, I had never heard of Heston Blumenthal. I was researching various ways of cooking pan steaks and stumbled across the same TV episode. And now I run into it again.
A version viewable in the U.S. is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03h5T_tiyx0&list=PLGmqfGN6mMEk21FbdPNr7Azu0Ia6s_vgo
Human limitations and fallibility have nothing to do with economics in particular.
That is correct and is not contradictory to the quote. The point of the quote is that economics can help show leaders how little they really know about the impacts their policies will have.
As for the rest, you have presented a false dichotomy. Hayek didn't say that we shouldn't do anything unless we are 100% sure of all of the consequences of that action. He did say that we don't know nearly enough about economics to justify making grand designs to control the economy. This applies equally to many regulatory schemes. The bulk, but not all, of such things are best left to emergent systems that contain local knowledge that are, currently, inaccessible to central planners.
The hidden hypothesis is that the thicker the shake, the higher the ice cream to milk ratio, hence the better the shake.
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Where's the bloody beef?
I don't see any ethical or moral difference between eating a cow and a human, you are consuming something that had awareness, whether it be a little or a lot, it is still awareness. However, I would object based on how I've seen humans feed themselves. That and purpose.
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Other way around. Horse owners/riders are crazier than the horses.
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When was the last time a cow fetched your slippers?
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But probably around the same time a cat did.
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I'm still wondering how yogurt can still be sold as such in the USA. The only true yogurt I know of in my local grocery store is the store brand itself, which is actually made with milk and sugar. All the name brands are made with food starch and gelatin, and they taste more like waxy pudding than yogurt.
That USDA rating system is completely backwards. It gives the nice-sounding names to greasy meat riddled with fat. It gives the bad-sounding names to the leanest (most healthful and least disgusting) meat.
There is nothing good or desirable about Prime. If you want your meat soft and greasy, you can toss it in a grinder with some butter. Lean meat with a nice chewy texture is much harder to find or fake.
BTW, the best meat is rabbit. It's pretty much 100% fat-free.
Make the edges thicker than the middle, kind of like a red blood cell. Squish away any cracks that form. Keep it cold before use, then don't try flipping it until it is cooked enough to firm up.
All the name brands are made with food starch and gelatin
Isn't Dannon yogurt readily available where you are? They're a huge international company, and one of the most common brands of yogurt around here (Texas). Their plain yogurt is just milk and yogurt culture.
Beef heart is all muscle and no fat. Incredible when smoked for a few hours.
Do you use a bong or just roll it in paper?
It's not that if you cover it in sweet chilli sauce and fry it.
Not that either if you fry it :)
Lean beef (like the grass fed topside mince mentioned above) doesn't stick together as well as very fatty beef (US corn fed feedlot beef from every bit of the cow mixed together?) so tends to fall apart without something to bind it together. There's no point getting insulting just because you were not aware of that.
Personally I don't use lean beef to make patties because of that, I use the two star mince instead of the much leaner five star, but people who care more about fat content go for the lean stuff and need something to stick it together. Even the two star stuff falls apart a bit at times.
In Australia the wild pigs are mostly unsafe to eat due to parasitic worms that can also infest humans. It's pretty easy to keep the worms out of the domestic pigs.
"I don't eat meat" seems to sound to some Spanish language speakers as "I don't eat beef", hence the offers of chicken and fish etc. Any native speakers wish to elaborate or tell me I've got it wrong?
I had some veggie friends that went on a ten day cruise along the Pacific coast of Chile on a ship that was BBQ heaven who hit this translation speedbump. I think they were pretty sick of plain peas and carrots by the end of it.
Dude, just when I wanted to comment on the British Seapower and the decline thereof.
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Black Angus. So it's mostly scotsmen.
There's nothing wrong with using Robusta in a blend - it tends to add more caffeine.
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Hey, cellulose is technically a sugar - indigestible and good for fiber!
Even so, I'd prefer a real milkshake. :P
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It was never thrown away to begin with, dumbass. Before it ended up on our dinner tables, it was primarily used in pet foods. It has nothing to do with being ethical, and everything to do with creating a grossly inferior product using the runoff of the animal we are not accustomed to eating and having to chemical treat it just so it doesn't actually kill us when we do eat it.
There was nothing right about what they were doing, except for their bank accounts, being able to stretch out their original product by that much more while charging us the same price.
Your post just goes to show what we have come to expect in our daily lives, so much that we outright stick up for the status quo of people screwing everyone over for their own personal gain. Who cares what we eat, right, as long as it doesn't outright kill us? Quality isn't even in our dictionary anymore.
"Both products cost just £1 a box, as do similar frozen burgers sold by Iceland. The Oakhurst 100% Beef Quarter Pounders, sold by Aldi and implicated in the scandal, cost £1.39 for a box of eight."
What do you expect for that price? You can't buy cheap and expect quality?
Buying meat at those prices is just an open invitation to getting conned, one way or the other. Shame on the buyers!
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wow - looking at the "food breakdown" poster at MacD shows that eating 1.5 burger gives you a day's worth of sodium... I'd hate to know how much was in it in the past.
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I told the guy who served me in a McDonalds in Japan, "This burger tastes rubbery" and he just replied "Thank you velly much"
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Nowhere does it say it is 100% beef, it is made from 100% beef. Take 100% beef, add 100% salt and 100% MSG, and 100% other stuff. You now know how marketing works.
I'm not sure what happened to soft serve ice cream that I used to buy as a kid, but I bought one from an ice cream van recently and the thing didn't melt. In the middle of summer, 30 deg it just sat there on the cone in it's original form. It tasted horrible and so carried it around with me, and after 30 minutes it was still there in one piece.
Nowhere does it say it is 100% beef
...except in the summary.
It's still got bacteria in it, just a different kind - it's called a starter culture.
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Why do they use horse meat? to save mon-neigh!
So you got a burger - why the long face?
I opened the fridge to check the burgers -- and they're off ! (said in the voice of a racing commentator)
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What I found amazing is how quickly these spread after the news broke -- I'd heard the first two within 45 minutes of the radio news.
And acidity. Nothing wrong with Robusta beans, but you can't sell the resulting product as "Arabica coffee".
Transparency, transparency, transparency.
So they have printed the ingredients to the tin now. Too bad it isn't human readable; p
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1. David Cameron and his merry free-market-philosophising pals announce "Bonfire of the Quangos": UK right-wing government makes big show of closing down "unnecessary bureaucracy" in government to save money and reduce "big government". This includes health inspectors visits to slaughterhouses.
2. Government celebrates cutting jobs, saving tax payers money.
3. People still want cheap beefburgers.
4. Invisible hand of the market decides! You want cheap beefburgers, we can get you cheap beefburgers.
5. Ah. Turns out sacking all the heath inspectors and reducing the number of visits to check up on what's happening in the meat processing industry not such a good idea after all....
What I read, on the BBC site this weekend, was that they said that 29% of the samples were found to have measurable trace amounts of horse DNA in them. Nowhere did I read that the aggregate total of samples were 29% horsemeat.
Is this the typical example of a grossly distorted Slashdot post, or did the BBC get it wrong?
What a coincidence! I'm a Barrister too! But how did you also get to a be an expert on coffee...?
Most cats where I live go outside and have a fair amount of rat, mouse, insect, small bird etc. content to their diet. I know mine do. They sometimes leave me a dead half-eaten rat as a present...
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Does beef fat not count as beef all of a sudden?
100% beef != 100% beef muscle tissue.
Slashdot still doesnâ(TM)t support Unicode after it was added to the HTML standard in 1997.
Who were these customers who made McDonald's think a milkshake needs to be of such a consistency that you have to use an industrial suction pump to get it through the straw? I want to go back in time and kick them all in the nuts.
You wish!
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Yup, horses all the way down.
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Cooked through or salted/smoked to buggery.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
So those who don't have horses as pets should have no problem eating horse meat. Note that more than 99.999% of human population does not pet horses, it is expensive, time consuming and useless. Or are you saying other people's pets should not be eaten?
Cows are nearly the national pet of India. Fish are so common as pets that there is a name for the glass house filled with water to keep them as pets. Fish are also extremely commonly eaten.
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Oh chill out and enjoy a Krusty Partially-Gelatinated-Non-Dairy-Gum-Based-Beverage
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why does it need anything else? use a quality meat with the right amount of fat and it will all form together and the proteins will do the binding. Of course, some sort of seasoning can be put in there as well, but a good beef burger can (should?) be made with nothing but meat. egg and/or breadcrumbs are not necessary and usually end up with a dry burger if you're not careful. e.g. http://www.abc.net.au/tv/cookandchef/txt/s2632115.htm
I don't know where you're located, but you may find an online store in your region such as this interesting to note, they sold out within days of people finding out about the tainted products in the article
also, try the water buffalo.
Really? I could have sworn "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" had some Ireland in it. Yup, there it is, just above the monosodium glutamate.
Shit thick Tim, so you are.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
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Beef is full of protein and fats, which provide enough binding to hold ground meat together after a couple minutes. Try it yourself with some chuck and a food processor.
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This is what deregulation is all about. They want to feed you any kind of crap without having any oversight. Without regulation it will be difficult to trace from where the pathogens came.
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I worked with a butcher for a number of years after high school, learned a lot of useful stuff from the old bastard (he was and still is one of the most horrible people i've ever met, but that's a different story).
Ground Chuck, used to be, 80/20. 80% meat, 20% fat. This is pretty good, and most people are happy with it. Ground Round is usually closer to 85/15 or 90/10. Again, good stuff.
I dont buy ground meat from grocerie stores anymore. Most of them dont give you a meat/fat ratio, and the few that do horrify me...60/40 i've seen. I've never seen a 50/50 but my lord, why bother at that point? You'd be better off scraping deer off the highway for all the taste and flavor you'll get out of that grimy mess of fat.
I'm sure the beef industry would not appreciate competition. I'm amazed we can get buffalo.
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If you don't see a difference between eating an animal that we raise for food such as a cow and eating an animal that has been our loyal companion for thousands of years such as dogs, then what difference do you see between eating a cow and a human?
I agree with the parent. If you cannot see the difference between a dog and a human, just because we keep dogs as pets, then you really do have some problems.
The only real reason not to eat dogs, cats, or horses is because we have not been breeding this animals for human consumption. Today's cattle, chicken, etc. bear little resemblence to their wild ancestors. There probably wasn't that much difference between eating a cat and a cow 1000 years ago (other than cows having more meat). But there is a big difference today. As far as I know, the only cultures that still eat animals like cats and dogs are those who are poor enough that throwing away the meat is a bad idea.
Eating humans, or primates for that matter, is taboo for a number of reasons that are completely different than the arguments used for other animals. Among them are that diseases are more likely to be spread this way, because cross-species diseases like Mad Cow Disease are far more rare than diseases which can pass from human to human.
It basically just come down to this: If you cannot tell that there is a HUGE difference between eating a dog and eating a human, you either suffer from severe cognitive dissonance or you also have trouble telling the difference between having sex with a dog versus a human.
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Salutes, to experience. 60/40 was likely close enough to 50/50 to fool me. On the other hand, the wife has brought home some "hamburger meat" that may well have been 50/50. I could see the fat content as I formed it into a patty, it felt nasty. As it cooked, it shriveled like crazy.
She still tries to save money on the shopping, but it's been a long time since she brought home meat that was THAT nasty!
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The term Milkshake is regulated, such that you can only put in a limited number of ingredients. It has to consist almost entirely of milk and icecream. Many prepared frozen shake drinks contain non-dairy fats, stabilizers, thickeners, etc so that it can have the desired flavor and texture when put through a shake machine. Actual milkshakes won't have the thick/smooth texture we expect unless they are made recently from icecream which also has retained it's desired texture. This is more difficult than formulating a pre-mix batter which has the flavor and texture of a milkshake when chilled.
This is where I get my recommended daily allowance of "Foot in Mouth."
Ah, :-)
the imperfect opportunity for me to get on my high horse and wax lyrical about vegetarianism once again
Once again veggies miss out on the scandal.
If you didn't eat meat then maybe the subconcious manages to be more compassionate and, whether you admit it to yourself, more compassionate to people too.
Really should be a study to quote and back it up other than a load of hearsay though
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Given all the attention recently put on beef, I expect McDonalds to be truthful on their page talking about their meats:
Do you use American meat?
We do. All of our chicken comes from our trusted USDA-inspected suppliers in the U.S., like Tyson Foods and Keystone Foods. Our beef and pork products also come from trusted USDA-inspected suppliers, such as Lopez Foods. In order to keep up with demand, a small percentage of our 100% pure beef is imported from USDA-inspected suppliers in Australia and New Zealand
The term USDA-inspected doesn't carry nearly the same power as it did 20 years ago. From allowing meat grinders to create and monitor their own safety plan with no followup corpwatch.org, to allowing chicken farms to do the same foodsafetynews.com, to criminally lax contamination guidelines on pork mercola.com ... this can continue but there are already dozens of documentaries to make these points.
Big Food will keep telling us our food is safe while pumping us full of the steroid-ridden anemic flesh that so many love.
Not all those girls are teens, nor are they all spoiled.
There are lots of theories as to why girls like horses and ponies (as opposed to say other cuddly pets like bunnies, cats, dogs) One reason is that it gives them a unique sense of empowerment to control a 1000 lb animal. There are relatively few areas where pre-teen and teen girls can exert significant control over something big and potentially dangerous. Where I used to ride, the girls used to ride their horses bareback over to watch an NFL team at summer training camp, and it was interesting to observe that the 300lb lineman was more nervous about being near the horse than the 12 year old 60 pounder sitting on its back.
I'd guess the peak horse crazy years are actually more like 10-14, before the object of attraction walks on two legs rather than four. A lot of those "unused" horses one sees are an remnant of earlier years, and the increasing time demands of high school, but rather than sell the beloved animal, it gets pastured, or loaned out to someone, or retired. They are a pet at that point, not a "working animal" (hence the impassioned letters to the paper to "save the ponies from slaughter").
As a parent.. it's an athletic activity that is socially acceptable, has some element of glamour (at least when showing), and is perceived to be unlikely to bring your daughter in contact with a "bad element". More than one parent has buckled to pay for the lessons and/or horse when the alternative is "ok, I guess I can go hang out at the mall". Much better to fork out the $200/month and have your daughter be a barn rat, get a lot of physical activity, learn how to deal with personalities both human and equine, learn about the fundamental subjective nature of beauty competitions (which is what horse shows are, at least for young riders.. they're not out jumping fences or turning around barrels against the clock).
They still have 10g fat and 500mg sodium, that does not seem ridiculously low in fat or sodium.
Man, you really need that seminar!
Potato starch rumor is debunked here: http://www.slate.com/articles/life/food/2013/01/calamari_made_of_pig_rectum_the_this_american_life_rumor_isn_t_true_but.html
Well, first, I said house cat. Most domesticated house cats really rarely eat rats, etc. if they are indoors most of the time and you aren't starving them. And second, there is nothing wrong with occasional rats, mice, birds, or insects in their diet anyway, so it's irrelevant.
. . . well, next step is North Korean labor-camp prisoner DNA in the burgers. Finally, NK will have a valuable export product.
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Pretty soon, we'll have a problem with how the methane byproducts from all this food and starving people production.
It's fine and dandy to criticize distribution and profit as the sources of starvation. But this implies that we can comfortably and sustainably support 7+ billion people on this planet. And we're rapidly learning, as we run out of resources, and fill every corner with garbage, and destroy our atmosphere, that we can not sustainably support 7+ billion people on this planet. No matter what humane and saintly model of distribution and ownership is chosen.
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It's fine and dandy to criticize distribution and profit as the sources of starvation. But this implies that we can comfortably and sustainably support 7+ billion people on this planet. And we're rapidly learning, as we run out of resources, and fill every corner with garbage, and destroy our atmosphere, that we can not sustainably support 7+ billion people on this planet. No matter what humane and saintly model of distribution and ownership is chosen.
I never mentioned susstainability. I mentioned feeding people. Whether they should exist or not is not relevant to the topic at hand. We can sustain obesity-level food for 10+ billion with existing technology. We choose to produce less than that, and distribute it poorly.
Go push your Hitler-esque eugenics elsewhere.
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You are either purposefully or accidentally missing my point. I agree there is a HUGE difference between eating dogs and persons ... just as big as between eating dogs and cows.
It's all about what we perceive as "our group" and what we feel emotionally attached to.
WTF am I doing replying to an AC at 5 A.M on a Friday night?
Depends on the cheese. Some of them aren't cultured, they're made with milk and rennet.
Fish are so common as pets that there is a name for the glass house filled with water to keep them as pets. Fish are also extremely commonly eaten.
Fish is too general, its the equivalent of mammal or bird. The fact that I eat salmon and snapper doesn't mean I'd eat angelfish and neon tetras. The fact that I'd eat chicken and duck doesn't mean I'd eat budgie and parakeet.
That said I agree with your point. And I have nothing against the idea of people eating horse, or even dog. Though I have little to no desire to do so myself.
They way they killed horse meat consumption in the US is a good lesson in US politics:
They didn't ban consumption. They simply refused to allocate funding for inspection of the slaughterhouses.
And since you can't sell meat for consumption without it being inspected.....poof, it's not salable
Who were these customers who made McDonald's think a milkshake needs to be of such a consistency that you have to use an industrial suction pump to get it through the straw? I want to go back in time and kick them all in the nuts.
HA! That's funny as hell; I have had the same thought (about needing the pump, not about the roshambo) for a long time.
Ground meat doesnt need anything to stick it together, UNLESS you add other things in there, and even then only if you go past a certain threshold amount.
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
Customers don't 'demand' anything from big chains, they eat what they're given. That's why they spend billions on advertising.
My burger is 100% beef since that's what the legislation requires here.
Prion diseases were well known before ; kuru in humans and scrapie in sheep.
Scrapie has been known about since the 18th century. It's the reason they don't feed ground up sheep to sheep. Kuru and conditions like it are probably one of the reasons there are taboos against cannibalism in most cultures.