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Cisco Exits the Consumer Market, Sells Linksys To Belkin

Krystalo writes "Belkin on Thursday announced plans to acquire Cisco's Home Networking Business Unit, including its products, technology, employees, and even the well-known Linksys brand. Belkin says it plans to maintain the Linksys brand and will offer support for Linksys products as part of the transaction, financial details for which were not disclosed. This should be a relatively smooth transition that won't affect current customers: Belkin says it will honor all valid warranties for current and future Linksys products. After the transaction closes, Belkin will account for approximately 30 percent of the U.S. retail home and small business networking market."

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  1. WTB Cisco Switch by ButchDeLoria · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wonderful, now there's no good router on the market.

    1. Re:WTB Cisco Switch by Hovsep · · Score: 2

      Asus and Buffalo?

    2. Re:WTB Cisco Switch by Grishnakh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Don't be ridiculous. There's plenty of great routers out there. My Cisco E1000 is working flawlessly, now that it's loaded with DD-WRT.

      Now, if you're looking for a consumer-grade router that has both great hardware and firmware out of the box, you can forget about it, but I'm not sure such a beast has ever existed. But there's lots of decent hardware out there that can be reflashed with an alternative firmware like DD-WRT. The enterprise-grade stuff is crap too BTW: I used to have a couple of Aironet access points and those things were a total PITA to set up because of Cisco's wacky IOS system. The hardware was really nice, I'll admit (all-metal chassis, kinda looks like something out of a UFO, could be dropped off the Empire State Building and suffer only slight damage), but the software and web interface were ridiculously bad unless you want to spend a lot of time becoming an expert in IOS. By contrast, DD-WRT does pretty much everything IOS could do (including RADIUS authentication) and it, despite being Free, has a perfectly usable web interface that anyone competent with computers and networking can look at once and figure out.

    3. Re:WTB Cisco Switch by MrBippers · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My current Asus router (dd-WRT) and the Buffalo router it replaced (tomato) have been flawless. I remember having a Linksys WRT54G with a legitimate hardware issue years ago and having to jump through a massive array of hoops to actually convince of it. There was a massive chain of emails every single question of which could have been answered by reading the first email I sent. No love lost here.

    4. Re:WTB Cisco Switch by SolitaryMan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      My experience with Linksys consumer routers is that they are crap. IMO they were only damaging Cisco's brand. Good riddance for them.

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    5. Re:WTB Cisco Switch by Dewin · · Score: 1

      I remember having a Linksys WRT54G with a legitimate hardware issue years ago

      Okay, I bought the story at Linksys but lost it at WRT54G. Though I suppose Cisco could have botched the newer hardware revisions ;)

      Our WRT54G is about... 9 years old. Still runs as our primary router with nary a hiccup. I managed to get a hold of 3 WRT600Ns as well -- the one that I've actually put dd-wrt on and put into service (with the intent of expanding our wifi coverage to the basement) can't actually hold a decent connection speed (speed from wireless device to router is fine, speed from router to WAN is fine as evidenced by an Ethernet-connected PC, speed from wireless router to WAN is abysmal...)

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    6. Re:WTB Cisco Switch by mrops · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, I have found Netgear to be consistently better than Linksys/Cisco routers for a long long time. Two linksys I owned would hang and reboo often in the 802.11g days.

      Moved to a netgear 802.11n router and has been great.

    7. Re:WTB Cisco Switch by Ironhandx · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have a 3400 sqft house with a single Asus router running the whole deal.

      I also went through 2 WRT54G's in as many years. I find both stories believeable, but of the people I know, no one is actually still using their WRT54G for anything other than one guy is using it for a small wired subnet. The wireless generally loses range on them as they get older for some inexplicable reason.

    8. Re:WTB Cisco Switch by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      hasnt been for a while now, I cant tell the difference between my chi-co and my old linksys

      oh yes I can, the chi-co cost 1/3 the price, has more feature, and is just a non-branded belkin

    9. Re:WTB Cisco Switch by mattventura · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They just try to cut costs way too much on their home products. They know that home users are likely to just buy whatever looks best on the store shelf/whatever the salesman tries to push on them.

    10. Re:WTB Cisco Switch by Skater · · Score: 1

      I have a 3400 sqft house with a single Asus router running the whole deal.

      I also went through 2 WRT54G's in as many years. I find both stories believeable, but of the people I know, no one is actually still using their WRT54G for anything other than one guy is using it for a small wired subnet. The wireless generally loses range on them as they get older for some inexplicable reason.

      You can count me as someone using one for his regular home network. The laptop I'm typing this on is connected to the net through it! It's an old v1.1 model that I've never had a single issue with. I bought it in 2001 or 2002, I think.

      I intend to upgrade to an N router with gigabit ethernet soon. We have several N devices now, and I often transfer large raw picture files over the network, so a faster network would be nice, plus the some of the computers with ethernet ports have gigabit now, so I might as well take advantage of that.

    11. Re:WTB Cisco Switch by Proudrooster · · Score: 2

      I concur, and am using the ASUS Dark Knight to cover the house and .5 acres built into a hill. The ASUS products might start off a little rough when they are just released, mostly buggy firmware, but ASUS does get it right and the hardware is solid. The ASUS never needs rebooting and takes daily streaming abuse. I bought my mother-in-law a $80 Belkin for Christmas and it needs resets every couple of weeks. Why didn't I just buy the $160 ASUS and save myself the hassle?

      I am not down on the WRT54G, it just can't handle the traffic load in 2013. Even after loading DD-WRT, it and it still couldn't keep up with the incoming 30Mbps connection. I still have it as a backup, but it is not streaming capable.

    12. Re:WTB Cisco Switch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a Netgear wnr3500 something or another, and have been really happy with it. The stock firmware seemed great compared to linksys, but I loaded ddwrt on it the first day.

    13. Re:WTB Cisco Switch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wonderful, now there's no good router on the market.

      There never was, if you're talking Consumer grade. Belkin, Netgear, and Linksys all have shit models and a few good models, and for each model they have decent versions and shit versions. The only thing that made Linksys any "better" overall was the ease of loading your own firmware, but if you're not into that type of thing then there's no clear winner or loser. You really need to do your homework on specific models and not automatically dismiss or include any particular brand.

      Another word of caution- don't purchase from discount retail outlets, especially Wal-Mart. They often will make such large purchases that the router maker will actually contract a special production run from an especially shitty chip production facility so they can give a really good price to the store. The result is a much higher than normal failure rate if you're putting any significant load on the equipment.

      Another option to consider is to ignore the price savings you get for buying an "all in one" unit. You can really get a lot more done if you use a stand-alone wireless access point and hook it to a decent wired router instead of using the wireless router combo unit. If you're going to be doing a lot of switching on your LAN, use an external switch instead of the built-in 5 port one. Those low-end consumer models simply don't have enough backplane capacity, not to mention RAM and CPU power, to use all the options to their fullest.

    14. Re:WTB Cisco Switch by LiENUS · · Score: 1

      Mikrotik are pretty decent on the consumer end, a bit pricey and no dual band stuff in the consumer range (hell no 5ghz period in the consumer range) but nice for what they are.

    15. Re:WTB Cisco Switch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linux isn't good?

    16. Re:WTB Cisco Switch by esseph · · Score: 2

      (reposted, because I forgot to login) No good consumer router on the market? Are you MAD? http://www.ubnt.com/edgemax
      Over 1million PPS. Based on a forked Vyatta, running on a dual core MIPS64 Cavium Octeon with IPv4 (and soon IPv6) hardware offload, with a debian base. You can apt-get install from the MIPS repos all day. Check the Tolly Report here: http://dl.ubnt.com/Tolly212127UbiquitiEdgeRouterLitePricePerformance.pdf, where it beat a Cisco 3925 and Juniper J6350 into the ground. Total cost for these buggers? $99. Warning, they are on backorder with all the distributors until roughly middle of Feb. Oh, and you're welcome.

    17. Re:WTB Cisco Switch by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      I am still using the 2 I bought damn near 10 years ago now. Ive tried different routers, and ill probably go with a new spec one in another year. but these things have been bulletproof for me.

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    18. Re:WTB Cisco Switch by adolf · · Score: 2

      I am not down on the WRT54G, it just can't handle the traffic load in 2013. Even after loading DD-WRT, it and it still couldn't keep up with the incoming 30Mbps connection. I still have it as a backup, but it is not streaming capable.

      I thought I was nearing the edge of useability on a WRT54GL with a 12Mbps connection: Load average when doing lots of stuff (ie: torrents and streaming) was 0.8. It seemed to be holding on quite well enough, though, so I ignored it for a long time.

      Eventually I dug into the settings (in TomatoUSB in my case, but whatever) and discovered that it was logging details about -every- -single- -connection- and storing that log in flash.

      So, I turned that feature off. Load average went down to less than 0.1 with QoS and all the bells and whistles going, just no logging. I have no doubt that the box would've dealt with 30Mbps of traffic just fine in that configuration, though I can confidently predict that it would have shit itself with 30Mbps and logging enabled.

      It's been ages since I used DD-WRT on Linksys WRT* hardware, but it's probably got similar functionality that can be turned off. Flash is slow and CPU-intensive on these boxes, and limiting its use might turn your old WRT54G into a useful backup device instead of something whose very existence you will curse if you're ever forced to use it again.

    19. Re:WTB Cisco Switch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a WRT54G V2 running dd-wrt. It's my second. The radio in the first one I had died after several years of use. At the time it died, Linksys had released a newer version of the 54G that didn't have enough memory to run Linux and the 54GL hadn't yet been announced so there wasn't a Linux compatible version of the 54G being offered. This was somewhere around 2004 or '05. Luckily, my sister had a still-in-the-box 54G V2 which she gave me and I'm now still using.

      For about a year I've been considering upgrading to a dd-wrt compatible N router with USB port (to replace my NSLU2 NAS), but haven't purchased anything yet.

    20. Re:WTB Cisco Switch by mjwx · · Score: 1

      I have a 3400 sqft house with a single Asus router running the whole deal.

      I also went through 2 WRT54G's in as many years. I find both stories believeable, but of the people I know, no one is actually still using their WRT54G for anything other than one guy is using it for a small wired subnet. The wireless generally loses range on them as they get older for some inexplicable reason.

      I must be the exception, the Linksys WRT54G I bought in 2005 still worked as well as the day I bought it when I retired it in 2012. The Belkin POS it was replaced with (not my decision unfortunately) has given me nothing but grief in the last 8 months.

      Might just be where you're living, any extreme cold or humidity? But Linksys gear has gone to crap since then. I'd recommend Asus or Netgear over Linksys at this point in time.

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    21. Re:WTB Cisco Switch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My experience with Linksys consumer routers is that they are crap. IMO they were only damaging Cisco's brand. Good riddance for them.

      They only went to crap after Cisco bought them.

    22. Re:WTB Cisco Switch by lingon · · Score: 1

      I also went through 2 WRT54G's in as many years. I find both stories believeable, but of the people I know, no one is actually still using their WRT54G for anything other than one guy is using it for a small wired subnet. The wireless generally loses range on them as they get older for some inexplicable reason.

      I'm still using my WRT54GL as my primary wireless router and I haven't noticed it's range decreasing at all. Perhaps it's just me, but I think it's working as flawlessly as when I first got it and installed OpenWRT on it six years ago.

    23. Re:WTB Cisco Switch by lingon · · Score: 1

      Back in 2008--2009, they were violating the GPL knowingly and I don't think that's changed. Buying stuff from them is a big no-no for me, no matter how good they are.

    24. Re:WTB Cisco Switch by citizenr · · Score: 2

      http://www.ubnt.com/edgemax

      Dont know about the hardware, but that Video on front page is AWESOMO

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    25. Re:WTB Cisco Switch by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      The only Linksys router I've ever owned had a tendency to die. It's hard to call it a router. More like three routers. The first one I returned I received a new one with a new major version (and a new chassis). When it died I returned it and they couldn't fix it I got the same router back again but this time it had Wireless N.

      So yes Linksys is great. Free upgrades!

    26. Re:WTB Cisco Switch by GNious · · Score: 1

      My experience with Linksys consumer routers is that they are crap. IMO they were only damaging Cisco's brand. Good riddance for them.

      My experience with anything from Cisco for use at home is that it is crap - whether it is Cisco Linksys routers or Cisco IPTV boxes. Somehow I'm not convinced that it is Linksys, that is effing up Cisco's brand.

    27. Re:WTB Cisco Switch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mikrotik are pretty decent on the consumer end

      I'd cringe to see consumer-level customers trying to configure RouterOS.

      But other than that, I rarely consider anything but Mikrotik, for any purpose - enterprise or my own home. Shit is solid like nothing else in tech.

    28. Re:WTB Cisco Switch by PlusFiveTroll · · Score: 1

      I use the UBNT M units in site to site wireless bridges and have had excellent luck with them. For the price they stomp the hell out of much higher priced units.

      It looks like they have miniaturized the linux boxes that I've been running as routers, OSPF, dhcprelay, firewalling, etc all in a much smaller format. Glad to see they are pushing out a good product against cisco and ilk that have gotten lazy lately.

    29. Re:WTB Cisco Switch by Fjandr · · Score: 1

      Interesting. I hadn't heard of that. Maybe that's what made all of the ones I've every used unreliable as time went on.

    30. Re:WTB Cisco Switch by contrapunctus · · Score: 1

      apple routers are good (very stable, reliable) though with less features (QoS etc)

    31. Re:WTB Cisco Switch by Ironhandx · · Score: 1

      This could also be the problem for me and my buddies. Why the hell does it do this?

    32. Re:WTB Cisco Switch by helix2301 · · Score: 1

      Lets hope they copy linksys hardware and os cause belkins are terrible.

    33. Re:WTB Cisco Switch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And they're using more powerful processors (and have hw offload) than in my $4,000 sonicwalls :/

    34. Re:WTB Cisco Switch by cusco · · Score: 1

      LinkSys hardware has gradually gone to crap since Cisco bought them. They were a decent middle-of-the-road hardware vendor prior to the sale, and for a few years after. My LinkSys wireless router is still going strong since 2004, as are several business-class R16 and R8 Layer 3 switches from that period that I've put in customer sites. The newer stuff has just been junk, though.

      I'm pretty sure it's been deliberate too, since the firmware on the R16 switch that I replaced last year (original one from 2005 got hit by lightning) has had a lot of the original feature set ripped out of it. The thing needs monthly reboots, too. The big "Upgrade to Cisco Gear" sticker is impossible to remove, and I think that's been the reason for degrading the LinkSys line.

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    35. Re:WTB Cisco Switch by LiENUS · · Score: 1

      They have a new quick setup bit that comes up the first time you plug your router in to make it a whole lot easier for end users to configure.

    36. Re:WTB Cisco Switch by ncc74656 · · Score: 1

      of the people I know, no one is actually still using their WRT54G for anything other than one guy is using it for a small wired subnet

      I've had a WRT54GL running for I don't know how long now...2006 at least, probably earlier. It's still providing wired and wireless service in a 1900-sqft single-story home. It's in a wiring closet near the front of the house, next to the garage. I get good signal from it in the backyard and throughout the house. Nowadays, it's running Tomato; transmit power level is unchanged from stock.

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    37. Re:WTB Cisco Switch by operagost · · Score: 1

      Motorola used to make great ones. I have a WR850 and WA840 that both still work like champs, but I need to go to N. They are WDS bridged with WPA2 encryption-- something Netgear still hasn't figured out some 6 years later. DD-WRT might be able to do it, but at least it won't unless both routers are running DD-WRT (and one of the Netgears I have is the v1 that can't run DD-WRT). So I'm going to have to run CAT-5e to link them, although it's probably for the best as bridging reduces your bandwidth anyway.

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    38. Re:WTB Cisco Switch by mu51c10rd · · Score: 1

      Dlink is hit and miss. If you find a good model, they are fantastic, but you have to find the good ones in their piles of bad models.

    39. Re:WTB Cisco Switch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dlink is hit and miss. If you find a good model, they are fantastic, but you have to find the good ones in their piles of bad models.

      I must be lucky, I have three D-Link routers, each a different model, and zero trouble.Set 'em and forget 'em.

    40. Re:WTB Cisco Switch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honestly IOS is not that hard to learn.

      Granted I've never touched Aironet stuff, but I've been using Cisco gear for ages and IOS (and now NXOS) aren't that hard to understand.

    41. Re:WTB Cisco Switch by alanshot · · Score: 1

      (reposted, because I forgot to login)

      No good consumer router on the market? Are you MAD?

      Total cost for these buggers? $99. Warning, they are on backorder with all the distributors until roughly middle of Feb.

      Oh, and you're welcome.

      I swear by this company's gear. They have their annoyances of announcing product before they should, but its solid stuff.

      They keep pricing low because they purposefully don't spend cash on advertising. They get their best promotions via word of mouth like this.

    42. Re:WTB Cisco Switch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been through five other routers in 6 years but the WRT54G is still the primary router for my kids computers, tvs, phones, wii, xbox, etc...

      My wife and I use a separate router (we've had a WRT160N, WRT600N, a Belkin something, D-Link DIR615 and 815, and now a pitiful TP-Link WR841N because it was on sale for $25) and a separate business internet connection (50Mb cable, the Linksys one uses a 15Mb cable connection). The routers degrade over a period of one to six months to where they become unusable. I'm about to give up and run cords from our desktops to a switch or something. It's ridiculous how N-wireless routers reliability is so poor.

    43. Re:WTB Cisco Switch by chris.evans · · Score: 1

      I found the cheaper netgear router will stop port forwarding and need a reboot but not with the expensive ones....

    44. Re:WTB Cisco Switch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm using my WRT54g with OpenWRT for my wireless and internet gateway. It hangs off a gig switch for the wired section, but its wireless serves our Wii, phones and netbooks/laptops. I have no compelling reason to switch to 802.11n because our wireless devices just don't need the bandwidth. Everything that needs is is wired.

  2. Finally by mrmeval · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Linksys stuff took a nose dive in both reliability and software quality under Cisco's steerage. Belkin does better for some things though they are spotty on others. They are a very large player and I hope they unfuck what cisco's been fucking up.

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    1. Re:Finally by SJHillman · · Score: 5, Informative

      Linksys hardware under Cisco was pretty good. The firmware is what really bombed. I'll still take a Linksys any day so long as I can put DD-WRT or similar on it.

    2. Re:Finally by xkenny13 · · Score: 1

      My most recent upgrade was from a LinkSys WRT54GS v2 to the ASUS RT-N16 Wireless Router 802.11b/g/n. I put the Tomato WRT software on the ASUS router and it's been running flawlessly now for over a year.

      YMMV, of course...

    3. Re:Finally by aztracker1 · · Score: 2

      Tomato USB/VPN on the RT-N16 is awesome.. the RT-N12 is decent as well... Love mine.. though did have one DOA.. it's been my goto router for a couple years now... pretty much displaced the old WRTs in my mind. The stock firmware is crap though.

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    4. Re:Finally by snspdaarf · · Score: 1

      My experience was the opposite, mostly. Several Linksys devices worked for a while, then just stopped. As in stopped in the middle of a web page load. The last one did have firmware problems, and by then I was sick of Linksys, and bought a MikroTik.

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    5. Re:Finally by girlintraining · · Score: 1

      They are a very large player and I hope they unfuck what cisco's been fucking up.

      I find your abundance of faith... Disturbing.

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    6. Re:Finally by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

      From what I remember their products always worked for me in the Pre-Cisco days. After Cisco, I remember getting a new Linksys router and having to wait 2 mins for it to respond to every single setting change. And then it would reboot randomly. This was in the first 4 hours of owning it. I looked it up on newegg and found I wasn't alone. I returned it the next day.

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  3. What about the Cisco branded Linksys devices by afidel · · Score: 2

    What does this mean for the non-IOS/NXOS devices with roots at Linksys, did Chambers and company finally realize that they were diluting and tarnishing their name by slapping the Cisco logo on such utter crap?

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    1. Re:What about the Cisco branded Linksys devices by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      There's nothing all that wrong with the Linksys hardware, in fact much of it has been excellent for the price point. The firmware, under Cisco, has been another story, but that's what DD-WRT is for.

    2. Re:What about the Cisco branded Linksys devices by cusco · · Score: 1

      Made the mistake of "upgrading" the firmware on a four year-old LinkSys R8 last year. Oops. About a third of the former feature set was gone afterward, and the (very good) on-board Help got wiped and replaced with a link back to Ciscoland that requires a Cisco login to use. Fortunately the two VLANs that I had set up were still there, but I could no longer edit them or add a new one. Hopefully Belkin can restore the LinkSys line back to something worth purchasing again.

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    3. Re:What about the Cisco branded Linksys devices by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Have you tried DD-WRT, Tomato, or OpenWrt firmwares? They generally have excellent feature sets, including support for VLANs and other high-end features not usually found on consumer routers. The catch, of course, is that these firmwares only work on certain models (and sometimes only certain hardware revisions within a model), so if you're looking for a router to run one of them on, you have to be very careful about which one you buy, using the firmware project's online database to make sure the model you're looking at is supported. The Cisco/Linksys stuff is among the better-supported hardware out there, and you can frequently get it cheaply on Ebay.

      I wouldn't hold out too much hope for Belkin. I have heard good things about Buffalo routers, however.

    4. Re:What about the Cisco branded Linksys devices by unixisc · · Score: 1

      My question - how do you update the OS of a router w/ a different toolset, whether it's DD-WRT or OpenWRT on the Linux side, or pFsense or m0n0wall on the BSD side? I'd love to be able to upgrade the OS of an old Belkin router I have so that it supports IPv6 as well (which is why I'm more likely to prefer either of the BSD toolkits I mentioned above, rather than the Linux based WRTs)

    5. Re:What about the Cisco branded Linksys devices by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, I'm not sure I understand your question, and I think I'm missing something. It seems like you're just asking how you install an alternative firmware on a consumer router; if so, it's pretty easy, you just go get the firmware you want (after checking that it works on your piece of hardware, be sure to check the HW revision number too!), and then follow the instructions. Usually, they just use the standard built-in firmware upgrade process in the router's web interface, except instead of loading one of the mfgr's firmware versions, you point it to the alternative one.

      If your old router isn't on the supported list, however, it's either not possible (due to hardware limitations, such as insufficient memory on the device), or no one's figured out how to get it working yet and publish a build for that router.

      According to this page, IPv6 is supported by DD-WRT, but ip6tables is not built-in by default, so you may need a special build to make it an IPv6-capable firewall.

    6. Re:What about the Cisco branded Linksys devices by unixisc · · Score: 1

      That was my question - how does one install an alternative firmware on a consumer router. I'll check out their pages.

    7. Re:What about the Cisco branded Linksys devices by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      It's generally as easy as installing a newer-version mfgr firmware on the router. But instead of loading "linksys-model-ver1.2.3.bin", you load "ddwrt-model-ver1.2.3.bin" or similar.

  4. What does CISCO stand for? by OhANameWhatName · · Score: 3, Funny

    Choice of
    Investments
    Suck
    Causing
    Outrage

    Join in the fun!

    1. Re:What does CISCO stand for? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Cost Is So Completely Outrageous

    2. Re:What does CISCO stand for? by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 5, Funny

      Casualty In Senseless Chinese Outsourcing

    3. Re:What does CISCO stand for? by El+Torico · · Score: 2

      Have you tried to fit modules into a chassis after they changed suppliers to Chinese ones? Damn, I need a two pound sledgehammer to seat them now

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    4. Re:What does CISCO stand for? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      How much does a Cisco two-pound sledge cost after you factor in the warranty coverage, firmware licensing, and maintenance contract?

    5. Re:What does CISCO stand for? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Funny

      Two pounds. Are you an American or something?

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    6. Re:What does CISCO stand for? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *rofl*

    7. Re:What does CISCO stand for? by sjames · · Score: 1

      I had presumed two pounds of gold. Cisco would never sell something for just two pounds.

    8. Re: What does CISCO stand for? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering they used to charge $1200 for 64MB CF cards to go in the 6509 Supervisor cards, I'm not sure i even want to think about it.

    9. Re:What does CISCO stand for? by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Have you tried to fit modules into a chassis after they changed suppliers to Chinese ones? Damn, I need a two pound sledgehammer to seat them now

      You wont get a sledge hammer from Cisco for only two quid mate.

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    10. Re:What does CISCO stand for? by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 1

      Why yes, I'm an American. And I wouldn't pay two pounds of dog shit for a CISCO consumer product, let alone $3.15.

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    11. Re:What does CISCO stand for? by quacking+duck · · Score: 1

      Come on! A pound is a universal measurement in troubleshooting!

      *Pound!* *Pound!*

      There you go, two pounds of sledge.

    12. Re:What does CISCO stand for? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Founded: San Francisco, California, U.S. (1984)

      CISCO is the tail end of Francisco

  5. Not that they were doing much with the brand by eksith · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Cisco is to the consumer market what Oracle is to Java.

    I was always confused with where Linksys belonged under Cisco. The not quite SOHO, not quite SME limbo was reflected on some of their decisions. Well, this just proves Cisco has no idea what to do with the general consumer market (E.G. The Flip).

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    1. Re:Not that they were doing much with the brand by Lehk228 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      linksys was getting good enough to compete in SO and SME and even for peripheral installs in large enterprise. this would have cost Cisco a lot of money, so they bought them up and made them shitty

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  6. voip products by chipperdog · · Score: 2

    Since the linksys branding to Cisco, is there a cheat sheet explaining which VoIP products are linksys and which are Cisco?

  7. Belkin by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think I speak for many who have worked with 'Belkin' equipment when I say...

    "Fuck."

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    1. Re:Belkin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I like Belkin. They kept drivers for my cheap pci wireless card on their website for over a decade, and provided an update for windows 7 a full 7 years after the card stopped being sold. Their routers look really cheap though, and I wouldn't dare try one in their current incarnation.

    2. Re:Belkin by Just+Brew+It! · · Score: 0

      I just got rid of my Belkin UPS. The batteries gave out, and I do not feel like spending any money to replace them. There was something seriously wrong with the design of the charging circuitry; it ran hot even when it wasn't using the inverter.

    3. Re:Belkin by PNutts · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I bought Belkin's high end routers for my home and fought them every step of the way, replacing a new router with a newer router just to get it to work. I finally bought a Time Capsule and everything's worked since.

    4. Re:Belkin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think I speak for many who have worked with 'Belkin' equipment when I say...

      "Fuck."

      I had a belkin wifi Gigabit router that overheated and crashed repeatedly. A piece of junk! When I saw this news post I also thought "FUCK!".

    5. Re:Belkin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, in Belkin's favor, they do make decent cables...

    6. Re:Belkin by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Somehow, their router refuses to work w/ any power supply except their own, even though it be an SMTP. The thing that interests me more is - how is Belkin doing currently in terms of IPv6 support?

  8. and nothing of value was lost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    This is definitley a net improvement in quality for both Cisco and Belkin.

    Everybody wins!

    1. Re:and nothing of value was lost by Cinder6 · · Score: 1

      What I wonder is whether Belkin will ditch the Cloud Connect crap.

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  9. Good Riddance by SpasticMutant · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Linksys has always been, and will always be, a POS. Moving to Cisco made it even worse. Belkin wasn't any better, but at least they were cheaper. For my money, I prefer the Netgear home switch products. As my Linksys garbage fails, I replace with Netgear, and my problems disappear.

    1. Re:Good Riddance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well if it is failing and you replace it, obviously failures go away

    2. Re:Good Riddance by UltraZelda64 · · Score: 1

      My Linksys WRT54GL with Tomato firmware, overclocked to 250 MHz and sporting two 7dBi hi-gain antennas is awesome.

      My old Netgear router, on the other hand, was a piece of shit... couldn't be modded, shitty performance, unreliable connection, you name it. Sold that thing as soon as I got my Linksys years ago, and I never regretted it.

    3. Re:Good Riddance by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      next router is going to be an ASUS, i picked one up for my dad because it had a decent repeater mode to extend the wifi behind the house and i tell ya, the firmware was easier to use and more powerful in terms of options than anything i have seen out of netgear, linksys, or belkin.

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    4. Re:Good Riddance by fl!ptop · · Score: 1

      As my Linksys garbage fails, I replace with Netgear, and my problems disappear.

      Amen. I used to buy 3Com for businesses and Netgear for SOHO. Now it's Netgear all around.....

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    5. Re:Good Riddance by johnny+cashed · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it isn't like Netgear hasn't released their own dog turds. I think it is like everything else, when your shoving that much product, some turds slip through.

    6. Re:Good Riddance by MtViewGuy · · Score: 1

      I used to have a Linksys WRT54G2 router on my network. The big problem was after a few months, it would stop connecting my laptop and iPad 2 to the router, forcing a reset of the router--a major annoyance!

      I switched to a Netgear N600 (WNDR3700) dual-band router and no longer get Wi-Fi connection problems. :-)

    7. Re:Good Riddance by The+Dancing+Panda · · Score: 1

      So far I really like my TP-LINK. I haven't had any problems with it, the throughput is fast, the range is good, and the config software is about what you expect. And it wasn't expensive. And it has a USB on it to work as a print or file server. I like that.

    8. Re:Good Riddance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's some great imagery you've left us with there, thanks.

    9. Re:Good Riddance by smellotron · · Score: 1

      I think it is like everything else, when your shoving that much product, some turds slip through.

      Seen in the warehouse break room:

      To whoever keeps shitting on the floor: we have forklifts for a reason. Stop pushing so hard.
      -- The Management

    10. Re:Good Riddance by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

      Most underrated post in this thread!! :-)

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    11. Re:Good Riddance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  10. In general it doesnt matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So far i haven't seen 'consumer class' networking hardware that was worth a damn.

    1. Re:In general it doesnt matter by El+Torico · · Score: 1

      Netgear is what I'd consider the exception to that. Everything I have from Netgear has been reliable.

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    2. Re:In general it doesnt matter by FuegoFuerte · · Score: 2

      It really depends what you're trying to do. D-Link's low-power gigabit switches are great, for a dumb switch, and most home users really don't need a managed switch. Sucking down only around 8 watts of power, they're nice and cool to the touch and pretty hard to beat. I also have an old D-Link 802.11g router that has travelled around the world with me, giving me wireless internet in the hotels that only provided wired. It's nothing fancy, but small and has gotten the job done, and has stood up to all the baggage handlers that have thrown it.

      Linksys, eh, some of it's ok, some of it's crap. My main router is an old WRT54G or GL (It runs Linux, but I think it might be the early G before they split them into G/GL). The radio on it died some time ago, but the router portion still works OK and has survived several power issues that have killed my cable modems. One of these days I'll get around to configuring the Cisco that's sitting in the garage, but so far I haven't cared enough to bother with it.

      Belkin, I decided all of it was crap the day I bought one and tried to change the internal IP to something other than the default 192.168.1.1, and it told me I couldn't. I called their tech support and they told me that was by design. I told them it was a crappy design, and returned the POS.

      Surprisingly, some of the best (for the price) consumer gear I've used is the AirLink101 that Fry's used to sell. It was cheap, had decent build quality, and generally had all the features I really needed at 1/3 or less the price of Linksys.

      I can't comment on Buffalo as I haven't used their stuff.

    3. Re:In general it doesnt matter by smash · · Score: 1

      Well... netgear is "ok", but for example the last router/ap from netgear I replaced with an airport extreme. I went frm having barely any signal at the other end of the house to 3 bars... Running a Cisco router at home at the moment, if you don't want to pay retail, check ebay.

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    4. Re:In general it doesnt matter by UltraZelda64 · · Score: 1

      What exactly is it lacking? Or do you just like to justify your own outrageously expensive "enterprise class" router purchases by slamming the common "consumer class" products?

      I seriously would like to know if I'm actually missing anything of major importance, because my modded WRT54GL seems to be satisfying my own needs quite well over the years.

    5. Re:In general it doesnt matter by networkzombie · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I have a site that has a WG302. The certificate expired after 3 years, in 2010. How did I know the cert expired? Because the whole thing stopped working. I set the clock back to 2006 and turned off time sync to get it to work. You can still buy them, but they won't work unless they think it is pre-2010. I wouldn't call a router reliable when it shuts down because it has the correct time.

    6. Re:In general it doesnt matter by maxwells_deamon · · Score: 1

      I will not buy netgear because of requiring a internet connection to configure it. I should be able to configure it before I hook it up to any network.

    7. Re:In general it doesnt matter by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      "I will not buy netgear because of requiring a internet connection to configure it. I should be able to configure it before I hook it up to any network."

      I am pretty sure it was Cisco that did that to their LinkSys products, not Netgear.

      I could be wrong. Maybe Netgear did it too. But I've had Netgear routers before and never had to connect to the internet to configure them.

    8. Re:In general it doesnt matter by pnutjam · · Score: 2

      You can get enterprise class equipment under $100, although around $100 to $150 is more reasonable. The home equipment just can't keep up with higher speed connections in my experience. Sometimes they slow things down without people realizing it, sometimes they lock up and need a reset (inconvenient if I'm trying to remote in from work). I use pfsense on Alix, but mikrotik and ubiquiti are very good choices for home and small business.

      List of lacking features in consumer class routers (that many would find useful)
      * multiple subnets
      *vlan
      * utilization graphs (have you hit your cap?)
      *VPN (sometimes they support an awful proprietary implementation)
      *readable logs

    9. Re:In general it doesnt matter by UltraZelda64 · · Score: 1

      Fair enough... I guess stability and reliability may be a problem (certainly was on my old POS Netgear, but my WRT54GL runs like a dream). My connection is not very high speed, so I guess I don't have to worry about even my aging router being able to catch up with it--but with all the power consumer-level equipment is packed with these days I'd be surprised if the latest routers couldn't keep up with very fast connections. As for features... much of that is in DD-WRT and Tomato and easily accessible. Honestly, the biggest problem I've noticed with it is the speed of its [megabit] Ethernet ports... but I don't normally have two machines wired to it and sending large files back and forth, so for now that's not even a big deal.

  11. *sigh* by SIGBUS · · Score: 5, Informative

    Indeed. Belkin has been on my "do not buy" list ever since the spam router fiasco. Then again, I guess it's fitting, after Linksys' Cloud Connect WTF.

    On the other hand, anything that won't run DD-WRT, Tomato, or OpenWRT is on my "do not buy" list anyway...

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    1. Re:*sigh* by evilad · · Score: 2

      That's the problem: they just bought most of the most popular platforms for those firmwares.

    2. Re:*sigh* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      There's Buffalo. Buffalo is pretty good, and some of their routers come with a variant of WRT already installed.

    3. Re:*sigh* by scottbomb · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And Asus, makers of the only router I could find at Fry's that takes aftermarket antennas and flashes Tomaato.

    4. Re:*sigh* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ...and flashes Tomaato.

      You say Tomaato, I say tomatto

    5. Re:*sigh* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed buffalo has some seriously heavy hardware going for the price and they support dd-wrt out of box.

    6. Re:*sigh* by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 1

      And you can power the router with a potatto

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    7. Re:*sigh* by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 1

      My "do not buy" list is as follows:
      Netgear.

      I also have an "only buy as a last resort to avoid Netgear" list, which does indeed include Belkin.

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    8. Re:*sigh* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ha ha, me too. We're a surprisingly large group. Every once in a while I tell the spam router story to someone who hasn't heard it and add another member. Can't believe it's been ten years already.

    9. Re:*sigh* by Maow · · Score: 1

      And you can power the router with a potatto

      I don't recommend you take that root when powering your 'rooter/router'...

    10. Re:*sigh* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TP-Link is quite good for openWRT, too. Especially their 1043ND.

    11. Re:*sigh* by tomthegeek · · Score: 1

      The internet is a series of tubers.

    12. Re:*sigh* by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Or your Roto-Rooter.

    13. Re:*sigh* by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Wow, I thought I was the only one who remembered that clusterfsck. The last Belkin device I bought was a Nostromo N52 game pad. I was always worried about what would happen when it gave up the ghost.

      Luckily someone else is making them now.

      Unfortunately, that "someone" is Razer, so it's got more features and is likely easier on the hands, but it's probably made of spun sugar and leftover wax from a cheese wheel.

  12. Could not be happier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I could not be happier that Cisco dumped linksys. It ruined the professional work place. Every want to be engineer now puts Cisco on their resume and states that they are network engineers. Ask them how to access a switch our router and they will tell you through the web gui. Good Bye Linksys.. Soon Belkin will drive the name and the company so far into the ground no one will remember them.

  13. Cisco exits consumer market? by Spy+Handler · · Score: 0

    what about the CiscoPad iPad-killer tablet that they were gonna sell? Was it not a success?

    1. Re:Cisco exits consumer market? by Anonymous+Psychopath · · Score: 2

      what about the CiscoPad iPad-killer tablet that they were gonna sell? Was it not a success?

      That wasn't a consumer device, and not it was not.

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    2. Re:Cisco exits consumer market? by cusco · · Score: 1

      I wish their security camera product was as successful. At customers where the IT department runs the security systems we have to talk them out of buying the Cisco video system. It's not too hard, since we can sell them Milestone or Lenel video with 4 times the capability, and which runs on commodity hardware, for half the price, but it's still an extra hoop to jump through. Worst piece of crap system in the industry, and close to the most expensive. Tremendously bad support, too.

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  14. Mixed reaction by Megane · · Score: 5, Funny

    Cisco sells Linksys

    Yay!

    ...to Belkin

    What in the actual fuck?

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    1. Re:Mixed reaction by ChefJeff789 · · Score: 1

      This was my exact reaction, lol. Every Belkin router myself or family members have purchased has failed after only a few months, if not immediately. Hooray for mediocrity!!

    2. Re:Mixed reaction by ZeroSama · · Score: 1

      yep... that pretty much sums it up...

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    3. Re:Mixed reaction by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 1

      At least the buyer wasn't Netgear. Maybe Belkin will actually do something with the Linksys assets it is acquiring. Netgear would probably just keep selling more Netgear crap, and you could immediately forget about ever buying anything with the Linksys name ever again.

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    4. Re:Mixed reaction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you don't like Netgear, Linksys and Belkin? What would you buy then?

    5. Re:Mixed reaction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was me, parked across the street, logged in as admin/admin, flashing the BIOS with zeros and thereby bricking your wi-fi router, just for fun.

      Please continue to blame Belkin or Linksys or whoever.

  15. Why do you call LinkSys "crap"? apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've had 1 of their wired units since the day they came out, BEFSX41 & it absolutely rocks! It's a true stateful packet inspecting router & NAT firewalling device that actually works (& has a lot of nifty features I've seen that higher-end routers, yes, including CISCO IOS based ones, have too!) - especially once setup in "bridged" mode.

    * Still, I'd like to hear your reasoning, if not actual documented PROOFS (vs. the model I have & noted above especially of course, since I own & utilize it), that back your statement...

    APK

    P.S.=> I am truly just curious on WHY you'd call their routers crap is all - perhaps you know something I don't? It's possible, & I'm willing to listen + perhaps MAYBE even learn a thing or two... thanks for your time & reply!

    ... apk

    1. Re:Why do you call LinkSys "crap"? apk by afidel · · Score: 2

      I wasn't really talking about the routers (though most of them are crap, overheating problems abound, firmware is terrible, the whole cloud management fiasco, etc) but more things like the switches. I hear time and again from colleges that have to deal with clients with unmanaged or web "managed" switches that aren't working for whatever reason and where the consultant can't diagnose anything because the tools aren't there, the clients of course come back with "but I bought a Cisco, I was told they were the best!" Heck, our own telecom guy got suckered into that game, he told the VAR he needed an inexpensive Cisco switch for a midsized branch office, he was sold a Linksys unit with a Cisco badge, five dead ports and no ability to troubleshoot the issues later (probably $10k in lost productivity and IT time) and we finally had a real unit bought and sent to the location and haven't had a problem with it in 3 years.

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    2. Re:Why do you call LinkSys "crap"? apk by pnutjam · · Score: 2

      This is more of a problem with people who don't see the up front value in someone who knows networking. Anybody who knows networking should be able to differentiate between an unmanaged, web-managed, and managed switch.
      It frustrates the hell out of me to see people cheap out on the upfront cost and get upset when I have to charge them for all the time it takes to fix things. God forbid they listen to my recommendations.

  16. Prepare To Be Hosed by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 4, Insightful

    >'This should be a relatively smooth transition that won't affect current customers"

    Every time some corporate droid has told me this regarding a {buyout, merger, acquisition, sale, re-org} a major cockup has followed. The only thing worse is when they use the phrase, "transparent to the end user," and you know the apocalypse is coming next week.

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    1. Re:Prepare To Be Hosed by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 3, Insightful

      >'This should be a relatively smooth transition that won't affect current customers"

      Every time some corporate droid has told me this regarding a {buyout, merger, acquisition, sale, re-org} a major cockup has followed. The only thing worse is when they use the phrase, "transparent to the end user," and you know the apocalypse is coming next week.

      The major cockup started a few years ago shortly after Cisco bought them. It can't get worse under Belkin.

      It's sad, really. Back in the day I bought 7 or 8 Linksys routers, many of which were put into service in other ways using openwrt. The replaceable antennae was a wonderful feature that I never needed. A few of them didn't even have the radio turned on.

      Anyway, I gave up with the Cisco fiasco and started buying Netgear. While Cisco was busy trying to sell the lowest-spec'd machines that still performed the basic functionality Netgear was selling me a router with the *very* decent hardware specs printed on the box. It totally kicks the asses of desktops that I was using 10 years ago.

      So it's good to see Linksys isn't under Cisco anymore. Sad that it's with Belkin, but, whatever. At least there's still some competition.

  17. Belkin.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I've never had anything from them that worked as it should. Ever. I keep occasionally buying the odd thing - and I think, 'this has to work, they can't all be bad' - and its the same.

    The worst gear and brand in my list of bad gear. I may be unlucky, but the stuff is junk, utter junk in my use thus far.

    1. Re:Belkin.. by SolitaryMan · · Score: 1

      I have a power surge protector from them and it works exactly as it should. I think... I didn't have any power surges yet...

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  18. More three card monte accounting games by JoeyRox · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Ever wonder why some companies seem to constantly be involved in acquisitions and dispositions, esp. companies whose organic growth has slowed to zero? It's because acquisitions/dispositions are a great way to create cookie jar charge-offs to hide underperformance of a company's core business. Now you see it, now you don't.

  19. buyers by v1 · · Score: 0

    Wasn't it inksys that bought cisco awhile ago? and now the hybrid is selling linksys?

    either I was confused, or I am confused. Or maybe a bit of both.

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    1. Re:buyers by afidel · · Score: 4, Informative

      You were very confused, Linksys was a tiny gnat compared to Cisco when Cisco did the acquisition, Linksys cost Cisco $500M which was less than half of their net income for the quarter in which the deal closed. Hell, two years later they swallowed Scientific Atlantic which cost $6.9B.

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  20. what about Cisco and Juniper? by mschaffer · · Score: 0

    What about Cisco and Juniper. Cisco just dumped Linksys, but they still make routers. Juniper makes routers, too!
    Also, don't forget about so many routers that can be "upgraded" by installing dd-WRT.

  21. Amen! by mschaffer · · Score: 1

    Amen! Good riddance, indeed!

  22. Ubiquiti EdgeRouter Lite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    No good consumer router on the market? Are you MAD?

    http://www.ubnt.com/edgemax

    Over 1million PPS. Based on a forked Vyatta, running on a dual core MIPS64 Cavium Octeon with IPv4 (and soon IPv6) hardware offload, with a debian base. You can apt-get install from the MIPS repos all day.

    Check the Tolly Report here: http://dl.ubnt.com/Tolly212127UbiquitiEdgeRouterLitePricePerformance.pdf, where it beat a Cisco 3925 and Juniper J6350 into the ground.

    Total cost for these buggers? $99. Warning, they are on backorder with all the distributors until roughly middle of Feb.

    Oh, and you're welcome.

    1. Re:Ubiquiti EdgeRouter Lite by Whiteox · · Score: 1

      Yes but does it work with Windows?

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  23. Poo by Whiteox · · Score: 1

    Well there goes quality. Anything left?

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  24. That's really interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I exited the cisco market about a year ago. I use mikrotik almost exclusively now. Sure they aren't high end enterprise for the most part, but for what I do they offer a hundred times the functionality for 10% of the cost.

  25. well dad by ganjadude · · Score: 1

    I have this rock here that keeps lions away....

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    1. Re:well dad by Geeky · · Score: 2

      Lucky you. I have this personality here that keeps women away.

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    2. Re:well dad by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

      Same here. However, seeing how humans tend to run their relationships, I consider it a feature rather than a bug.

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    3. Re:well dad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  26. Mikrotik routers are always an option by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I have been using Mikrotik routers for the last few years.

    MikroTik has very reasonable offerings and very good, highly customizable software with amazing support.

    I have nothing to do with them, I just love my routerboards!

    www.routerboard.com

    Check it out!

  27. No Tears Hear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just another flush of the [CEO] toilet.

    XD

  28. fixing the error by batistuta · · Score: 2

    > "Belkin says it plans to maintain the Linksys brand and will offer support for Linksys products as part of the transaction,"

    Belkin says it really sucks to have to maintain the Linksys brand and offer support for Linksys products, but the law requires this at least for the guarantee period, so they will have to comply. What happens afterward is, as always, not a topic for a spokeperson. That would be something worth saying, and it's against the rules of a spokeperson, who never say anything useful or that we don't know already."

  29. Pac-man gets bulimia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess this is finally the end of the Cisco "pac-man" strategy of buying up small innovative competitors and slapping a blue logo on instead of inventing and integrating new products themselves.

  30. Netgear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Netgear++

  31. About time by MortenMW · · Score: 2

    In an attempt to save some money for my business I bought several WAP4410N's in my office to provide wireless networking. They worked great, the setup was easy, they had good range and nice functionality, they were even quite cheap.

    So, based on my good experiences with the AP's, I decided to use them in one of our other offices. I bought three of them and configured them like the first ones I bought. None of them worked..... They crashed at random (but at least a couple of times each day), multiple SSID's did work, RADIUS failed. After some research I realized that the sticker underneath the AP's said "V2", the first ones I bought said "V1". It turns out that Cisco had done "something" to the hardware and called it version 2.

    Contacting Cisco was meaningless, the only answer I got was "Yes, we know it does not work, you should have bought something more expensive from us". Hopefully Belkin has a bit more respect for its customers.

  32. Belkin doesn't make anything... by unitron · · Score: 1

    ...they get other companies to make it and slap the Belkin name on it.

    Therefore anything you buy from them has the potential to be anywhere from crap to first-rate, with a price tag of from anywhere to kind of expensive to really expensive.

    So I only buy their stuff used or off of closeout tables.

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  33. BEFSR41s and WRT54Gs... by unitron · · Score: 1

    ...can be much improved by adding a little cooling fan internally

    http://www.allelectronics.com/make-a-store/item/CF-392/12VDC-40MM-COOLING-FAN/1.html

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    I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.

  34. Beg to differ, & how/when/why/where... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    From experience w\ their units since way, Way, WAY back -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42689493 thru the BEFSR11 initial original release, right into the BEFSX41 unit I use & have been using for nearly a decade++ now (both 'wired' models).

    * :)

    APK

    P.S.=> For a "consumer-grade" router? It's got an excellent feature-set...

    ... apk

  35. Cisco "small business" products also aren't great by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 2

    Their "small business" product lines can be very poor, too.

    We kitted out a small office with Cisco equipment not long ago. Our expectation was that with Cisco behind it and paying professional-level prices we'd get something with professional-level reliability and support, a cut above the consumer-level junk where just about everyone's devices seem to have poor reliability and/or limited functionality.

    The reality is that some of the Cisco equipment just didn't work properly. Firmware updates for some of the devices took a long time to arrive, or in some cases never appeared at all. Some of the products got EOL'd or sold off within a year or two, and it seems like a significant number of "Cisco" products are actually just rebadged products from another vendor with nerfed firmware anyway, even at this level.

    Also, as a small business guy doing all the IT, I wouldn't even know who at Cisco to contact for support or how to reach them. We theoretically have an N year warranty, but there's basically no information included with the products about how to take advantage of it, and the Cisco web site is hopeless. All I need is a phone number I can call with the type of product and serial number to get some advice or report a problem, preferably within one click of the home page, but that appears to be beyond their ability. Of course, you can open a support case on-line if you have an expensive service contract, but we don't, and since numerous people have reported similar problems to ours and they never seem to get fixed, it's not clear that such a contract is worth anything anyway.

    We now buy mostly consumer kit again, because it seems that even if you pay a premium for Cisco small business kit, what you get is actually as bad or worse as consumer tat. We've found isolated really good products from other suppliers, but they tend to be in niche markets rather than across-the-board kind of product ranges. For example, DrayTek seem to make very good ADSL routers and related devices at this kind of level. If they offered a wider product range of the same quality with basic small office level switches, wireless receivers/range extenders, and so on, we'd switch over in a heartbeat, but sadly they don't.

    I am very keen to hear of positive experiences with other pro-grade equipment on a small business or serious SOHO kind of level from different vendors. When we were looking before, there didn't appear to be too many suppliers competing in that market, which was surprising and might have changed more recently.

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  36. Belkin equipment by sjbe · · Score: 1

    I bought my mother-in-law a $80 Belkin for Christmas and it needs resets every couple of weeks.

    This has been my roughly my experience with Belkin equipment. It always seems to be a little bit unreliable. I realize my experience is entirely anecdotal but I've bought probably a dozen various bits of Belkin gear (usb hubs, switches, charging gear, etc) over the years and I've had small but irritating problems with most of them. A few simply didn't work at all. It's one of those things where I just don't trust their brand anymore even if they actually might have a good product.

    1. Re: Belkin equipment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Belkin: a fine example of you get what you pay for.

    2. Re: Belkin equipment by alanshot · · Score: 1

      Meh. I could buy a comparable Linksys for about the same cost, so not necessarily true.

      I still have some bad blood with my inlaws relating to Belkin. I tried to assist them with setting up a home file sharing network on brand new belkin gear across the board (usb wifi adapters, router, etc) After two hours of work I could never get it to work right. I noticed odd things, including only two bars of signal on one PC even though the router was 15' away on the other side of a wall. I advised them to replace the gear as that was the problem. They didnt believe me when I told them.

      Then next weekend they were making snide comments about how my 15 years of experience was useless because they got it running later. They apparently talked pretty harshly about me because their kids who were too young to pick up on the subtleties of social interaction started making rather derisive comments to my face about how bad of a computer guy I am. (they were too young to care about it in general and were obviously trying to )

      The very NEXT weekend I was there and noticed all new linksys gear... Sure enough, simply replacing the Belkin crap made all of my settings work. But in their eyes, I failed and they were gods.

      /Yeah, butthurt. I know.

    3. Re: Belkin equipment by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

      I have been here before, many many times with many many different bargain-basement networking devices and I feel for you. Crap that was purchased by someone clueless in the extended family ("but, it came with a rebate!") who expects it set up for free because 'You're a computer guy, I don't understand this techie shit, it's not hard for you, can't you just set it up for me?'.

      So not only do you struggle with the crap gear they bought, waste hours of time feeling frustrated and even get to the point where you start to lose confidence in your own abilities, but you get to suffer the derision of people who know nothing about the details but still feel qualified to judge you as inept.

      Then, later, for someone else; but this time they're content to leave the purchasing decisions in your hands as well. Subsequently, inexpensive but good-quality gear goes in, network is set up without any problems and you leave as the hero.

      I don't do freebies any more, because I value my free time, because people paying for your services generally appreciate your efforts more and finally because I learnt the hard way that no good deed goes unpunished.

      --
      ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
  37. hmm.. maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    belkin routers won't SUCK anymore....

    would love to see a wrt54gl updated to current standards. if belkin execs had any brains, that's exactly what they'd do. i don't think cisco realized what they had with this.

    1. Re:hmm.. maybe by cusco · · Score: 1

      I think they certainly DID realize what they had, and it terrified them to think that hobbyists could slap together a better product than they could. According to the Cisco corporate game plan, if you want a decent piece of gear you should have to pay through the nose for the hardware, and then sell your children to get them installed and configured.

      --
      "Think about how stupid the average person is. Now, realise that half of them are dumber than that." - George Carlin
  38. Linksys by Belkin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sigh....WTF

    It was a matter of time I guess. Slapping a badge "by Cisco" implied Linksys was quality (when not) and no doubt was cutting into Cisco SME sales.

    I wonder what will happen with the VoIP (Ex-Sipura) SPA series devices. Will Cisco keep these or will they go with Linksys.

     

  39. Re:Cisco "small business" products also aren't gre by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are obviously too small of a business for Cisco. I find their 10 port managed switches to be excellent for small network segments. They have auto PoE detection on each port as well as full VLAN support. Sure, they're about $400 each, but they work flawlessly. We also use their 24 port GigE managed switches (about $800) and their ASA's for VPN (about $5000). If you can't afford a proper managed switch, it's going to suck no matter who you get it from.

  40. Old Joke... by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

    I think I know why they're selling. It's the cost of maintaining that huge worldwide network of free, open wireless access points under the "Linksys" SSID...

    --
    "Slashdot - News and Chat Sites Deviant". (Click "homepage" link above for details).
  41. QoS Slow Down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Want to speed things up a bunch?

    1. Run a speed test.
    2. Turn off all QoS.
    3. Run another speed test.
    4. Enjoy the massive performance boost I just gave you.

  42. Re:Cisco "small business" products also aren't gre by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

    You are obviously too small of a business for Cisco.

    Don't be absurd. You can't possibly determine that from just the information I posted, and somehow I doubt you speak for Cisco or know anything the rest of us don't about their intended market segmentation anyway.

    Regardless, we're a small business, using functionality that is beyond most consumer-level equipment, but we're not running offices spanning entire large buildings or multiple sites. Cisco has an entire product range branded "small business", and a bunch of devices with specs on a similar level even if they're not explicitly branded that way. If their products worked, they would meet our needs just fine.

    We do have a "proper managed switch". In fact, it's the one Cisco "small business" level device we've bought that actually works properly. Shame about the wireless, NAS, etc.

    --
    If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
  43. Justify the downmods of my 2 posts... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject-line above & this link -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42685967 , my initial one merely asking questions, & then the one I am responding to here -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42689493

    Again:

    * I'd like to see somekind of VALID computing technical justification for the downmoderation of my posts noted by links above, regarding LinkSys wired routers (specifically the BEFSX41 unit I use).

    (Especially AFTER my extolling a good portion, not all though, of their featureset, here -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42689493 in response to the poster I asked a question of & was unjustly downmodded for no less!)

    APK

    P.S.=> IF this is the result of some 'disgruntled troll', & it surely LOOKS that way? Then, all I can say to them & 'their ilk', is GROW UP, you troll loser...

    ... apk

  44. What about D-Link by Ravaldy · · Score: 1

    Don't forget D-Link. They have some products that are brutal but they also have many that are great. Like most products, when they first come out with firmware version 1.0, they aren't any good until a version or 2.

    My opinion may be bias on this one since I worked for the company for a little while. On the other hand, I own D-Link, Linksys and Buffalo hardware and find them all to be the same level of quality (end user quality)

  45. Re:Cisco "small business" products also aren't gre by JourneymanMereel · · Score: 1

    It's funny.... I was sitting here thinking about the Cisco Small Business switches (SG-300 series) I have running flawlessly in my slightly bigger than small business (~300 ports). I was even able to get them to VLAN and Port Channel with a Nexus switch.

    However, I've never tried to use any of their other equipment (My phone system is an actual phone system, my wifi is from Aruba and my NAS is from NetApp).

    --
    Life has many choices. Eternity has two. What's yours?
  46. Re:Cisco "small business" products also aren't gre by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who did you buy your gear from? I dunno if Cisco sells direct but we always get our stuff through CDW and they're more than happy to get us pointed to the right people for support on the products we buy through them.

  47. Belkin, eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You must mean the Belkin who in 2003 sold a router that hijacked every 50,000th HTTP outbound request and replaced it with a request to a a advertizing server that served up an advertizement for some other Belkin product. That Belkin?

    http://yro.slashdot.org/story/03/11/07/1740205/belkin-routers-route-users-to-censorware-ad

    Then there is the Belkin who in 2009 got caught forging positive reviews of Belkin products on Amazon. When caught they pleaded guilty and promised to never do it again. According to my notes in the **Eternal Boycott File**, Belkin did the same thing within a few weeks. That Belkin?

    http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/19/belkin-pleas-for-mercy-over-paid-amazon-reviews-deception/

    You can bet that I'll never buy a Belkin router or any other Belkin product.

    Yes, I have a an **Eternal Boycott File**. There are many well known companies named in that file along with their bad business practices, ethical lapses, and downright sociopathic behavior with whom I well never, ever knowingly buy anything (ANYTHING) from. Did I mention that Eternal means For flipping-ever? -- Sony, you asshats are at the very top of the list. I have a long memory about your rootkits on audio cds.

  48. Best Linux Router/AP is the WDR4300 from TP-LINK by hackus · · Score: 1

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0088CJT4U/ref=oh_details_o09_s00_i00

    Put openwrt on this thing and it really works well. Thanks to the Atheros chipset, which is really quite good now on kernels Linux 3.6 or better.

    -Hack

    --
    Got Geometrodynamics? Awe, too hard to figure out? Too bad.
  49. Re:Kindly justify the downmod of my post... apk by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

    I have no modpoints so I thought I'd write you a genuine response to your question. For the record, I seldom moderate your posts.

    You have had it repeatedly explained to you that your posts are long-winded, unpleasant to read due to your absurd formatting style and full of technical inaccuracies borne of your single minded i-have-a-hammer-so-every-problem-is-a-nail attitude.

    Despite this advice you are convinced that your comments are valuable contributions, ignoring the obvious evidence to the contrary (namely the -1 scores your posts earn on a regular basis).

    I posit that /. readers do not actively dislike you so much as find what you post tiresome and not worth the effort to read or respond to. Posting as anonymous so I can't see your response without monitoring the thread doesn't help your case either.

    --
    ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
  50. You're outnumbered 244++:1... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "You have had it repeatedly explained to you that your posts are long-winded, unpleasant to read due to your absurd formatting style and full of technical inaccuracies borne of your single minded i-have-a-hammer-so-every-problem-is-a-nail attitude." - by Sardaukar86 (850333) on Saturday January 26, @01:06AM (#42698875) Homepage

    Opinions clearly vary: Yours above FAILS, vs. hundreds of these of your /. peers:

    ---

    Roughly 244++ of them & I post as AC (hard to get even +1, as /. hides our posts & we "AC"'s start @ ZERO/0 points, unlike registered "lusers", lol!):

    +5 'modded up' posts by "yours truly" (8):

    HOSTS & BGP:2010 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1901826&cid=34490450
    FIREFOX IN DANGER: 2011 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2559120&cid=38268580
    TESLA:2010 -> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1872982&cid=34264190
    TESLA:2010 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1806946&cid=33777976
    NVIDIA 2d:2006 -> http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=175774&cid=14610147
    Ubuntu Linux sends back local disk query strings to CANONICAL: 2012 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3304601&cid=42234351
    Question to Mr. Mark Shuttleworth @ UBUNTU/CANONICAL: 2012 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3304725&cid=42243467
    COMPUTER ASSOCIATES BUSTED FOR ACCOUNTING FRAUD:2010 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1884922&cid=34350102

    ----

    +4 'modded up' posts by "yours truly" (5):

    APK SECURITY GUIDE:2005 -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=167071&cid=13931198
    INFO. SYSTEMS WORK:2005 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=161862&cid=13531817
    WINDOWS @ NASDAQ 7++ YRS. NOW:2009 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1290967&cid=28571315
    CARMACK'S ARMADILLO AEROSPACE:2005 -> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=158310&cid=13263898
    What I admire about Theo DeRaadt of BSD fame: 2012 -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3007641&cid=40785151

    ----

    +3 'modded up' posts by "yours truly" (7):

    APK MICROSOFT INTERVIEW:2005 -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=155172&cid=13007974
    Linux security failures 2011-2012: 2012 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3319303&cid=42306663
    APK MS SYMBOLIC DIRECTORY LINKS:2005 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=166850&cid=13914137
    APK FOOLS IE7 INSTALL IN BETA HOW TO:2006 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=175857&cid=14615222
    PROOFS

    1. Re:You're outnumbered 244++:1... apk by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

      My god, you really are completely beyond hope. Seldom have I seen someone with such an enormously high opinion of themselves.

      There's clearly something very wrong with your brain.

      --
      ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
  51. You fail at that easy shit cuz you're stupid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You fail @ life. You even fail your off topic trolling, stupid http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491

    1. Re:You fail at that easy shit cuz you're stupid. by alanshot · · Score: 1

      Wow Sardaukar86, you have your very own personal troll. Were can I buy one?

    2. Re:You fail at that easy shit cuz you're stupid. by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

      Heh, I think I probably deserve this one. Apparently APK didn't take too kindly to being genuinely responded to when he asked why he was being downmodded. I'll have to remember to keep my comments strictly abusive when replying to him in future!

      Serves me right for poking at it with a stick I guess.

      --
      ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
    3. Re:You fail at that easy shit cuz you're stupid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      APK shows you're outnumbered 244++:1 vs. your opinion -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42703703 though. You fail.

    4. Re:You fail at that easy shit cuz you're stupid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You want to be like Sardaukar86 who got floored 244++:1 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42703703 ? Obviously you're just Sardaukar86 via one of his many alternate registered 'luser' trolling acccounts he uses to 'support himself' (Nobody intelligent would even *try* to 'defend him' when he's outnumbered by that many orders of magnitude).

  52. 244 others high opinion says otherwise... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Something's wrong with yours. 244 others on /. show it -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491

    * :)

    ---

    "Seldom have I seen someone with such an enormously high opinion of themselves." - by Sardaukar86 (850333) on Saturday January 26, @02:55PM (#42702533) Homepage

    Again (since you're SO "dull-witted") - Wasn't MY OPINION, fool - I showed that of many others here!

    Can't you read? Evidently not!

    The opinions of your /. peers via their upward ratings of my posts shows THEIR OPINION... vs. yours!

    (Know what? Since you're so outclassed - YOU FAIL, being outnumbered 244++:1, stupid...)

    APK

    P.S.=>

    "My god, you really are completely beyond hope." - by Sardaukar86 (850333) on Saturday January 26, @02:55PM (#42702533) Homepage

    God has nothing to do with the fact You're stupid, & you fail... see above - lol!

    ... apk

    1. Re:244 others high opinion says otherwise... apk by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

      Without a matching list of posts from people who do not share your inflated opinion of yourself, the above lists are little more than confirmation bias on your part.

      Please continue calling me names and saying silly things. I quite enjoy how it weakens your argument and supports my supposition that you are mentally ill and in need of help.

      Oh and out of curiosity, why don't you have a /. account? Why post as AC? Are you behind a corporate firewall perhaps?

      --
      ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
  53. Aw, poor Sardaukar86 looks stupid again?... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Without a matching list of posts from people who do not share your inflated opinion of yourself, the above lists are little more than confirmation bias on your part." - by Sardaukar86 (850333) on Saturday January 26, @06:58PM (#42704261) Homepage

    1st - See subject-line above: It ISN'T (& you are clearly outmatched, again)!

    2nd - Not on "my part" either, as once again? YOU FAIL, because I posted the opinion of our /. peers, not my own... are you stupid, or what? Perhaps you really ARE illiterate, or just deluded unable to face the fact you are outnumbered 244++:1 as the ratio here, many orders of magnitude so in fact, by the opinions of your /. peers vs. your own b.s. off-topic trolling one!

    Once more - so it "sinks in" to your dull brain:

    Those aren't my opinions of my posts or myself: They're /.'ers via upward moderations of my posts, vs. your obvious bullshit, dolt!

    (Can't you read? Evidently not.)

    Funniest part here?

    I've even had idiots threaten via ac posts no less, that they would downmod all of my posts to *try* collect up such a list... still hasn't happened yet to date!

    So don't get ANY "funny ideas" on trying that much - I've already outthought you on that front also by recording it in a link (which could have VERY WELL BEEN YOU posting such threats via ac replies rather than by your "registered 'luser'" account here...).

    ---

    "Please continue calling me names and saying silly things. I quite enjoy how it weakens your argument and supports my supposition that you are mentally ill and in need of help." - by Sardaukar86 (850333) on Saturday January 26, @06:58PM (#42704261) Homepage

    "Riiiiiggghhhttt" (sarcasm) - I'm not the one so "mentally ill" that I can't understand I am outnumbered, out-thought & just in general OUTCLASSED by a ratio of 244++:1 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491

    However?

    YOU CERTAINLY ARE!

    LMAO - lastly:

    ---

    1.) Care to produce your PhD in the psychiatric sciences to back up your libel of myself?

    2.) Do you have a formal examination of myself given in a professional psychiatric environs as well??

    3.) How about your license to practice???

    ---

    OH, that's right - YOU HAVE NONE OF THE ABOVE & FAIL AGAIN, lol... man - do us & yourself a HUGE favor:

    QUIT PROJECTING YOUR OWN FAULTS ONTO MYSELF, or OTHERS... talk about "giving away" your own issues!

    You KNOW I've just GOTTA say it, as-is-per-my-usual "inimitable style":

    THIS?

    This was just "too, Too, TOO EASY - just '2ez'" & it always IS, vs. Sardaukar86 here... lol, he makes it so!

    APK

    P.S.=>

    "I quite enjoy how it weakens your argument and supports my supposition that you are mentally ill and in need of help." - by Sardaukar86 (850333) on Saturday January 26, @06:58PM (#42704261) Homepage

    I quite enjoy showing readers here how STUPID you are, see the above, & "do the math" while you "eat your words", lol - flavored, of course, with "the bitter taste of defeat" & YOUR FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH (244++:1 roughly)... apk

    1. Re:Aw, poor Sardaukar86 looks stupid again?... apk by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

      Yes, yes, nice rant. You can go on to claim you 'shot me down in flames' if you like, but you're seemingly incapable of addressing the point I raise. Show me I'm wrong without the spittle flying, please - I'm all ears.

      You suggest that I am guilty of libel because I believe you to be mentally ill, because I am not qualified to diagnose your condition. That is a specious argument that once again shows your lack of rationality. Would you argue that one needs to be a chicken to know a bad egg? That one need be a microprocessor engineer to operate a computer? I would think not, however I imagine you'll have come up with some interesting mental gymnastics in an attempt to demonstrate the invalidity of the argument, as is typical of someone suffering some form of schizophrenia. Your online behaviour can be seen by all for the erratic foolishness it is. (This is your cue to bring up your '244' examples without really understanding your own argument; you may then of course chalk this up to another of your 'down in flames' moments of fantasy you seem to enjoy so much)

      I see you also like to call me 'illiterate', yet the very fact that I can read, understand and question you about your name-calling seems to escape you. Once again you demonstrate the dead-end, circular logic that smacks of mental instability. Perhaps you are yourself projecting here? I suggest you consult a dictionary on the use of the word to avoid future embarrassment.

      The way you consider your word-salad wailings to be a 'victory' is a great source of personal enjoyment for me. I encourage you to continue believing that you leave your adversaries with the 'bitter taste of defeat' and keep the lulz coming.

      Oh and finally, why don't you answer my question regarding your account/AC status?

      PS: In all honesty I don't 'troll' you as AC. I call you out as myself when I find one of your little spasms too irresistible to pass up.

      --
      ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
    2. Re:Aw, poor Sardaukar86 looks stupid again?... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't need a phd in anything to spot sufficiently crazy. And you are crazy as fuck. I'm morbidly fascinated in these posts. They seem as if they could only be written by a messed up 14 year old.

  54. "Argue w/ the numbers" & "eat your words"... a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491

    * See subject-line, & the fact you're outnumbered 244++:1 for shooting your mouth off... & having to "eat your words"!

    (IF anyone's "mentally ill" here? It's yourself... after all - nobody sane would argue against such odds, & I didn't even do the saying of it - your /. peers did!)

    APK

    P.S.=> QUESTION: How do your words taste, now that you had to "eat them", flavored with "the bitter taste of SELF-DEFEAT" & your FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH?

    LMAO - "Inquiring minds want to know"...

    ... apk

  55. Re:"Argue w/ the numbers" & "eat your words".. by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

    LMAO - "Inquiring minds want to know"...

    Yours is a diseased mind. You simply cannot answer my questions and in failing to do so have proven my prediction correct. You walked right into it.

    I'm sorry, but (in your words) you fail.

    --
    ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
  56. "Rinse, Lather, & Repeat", troll... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You've got off-topic ad hominem attacks vs. your FAIL -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491

    * See subject-line & "Argue with the numbers" (244++:1 in your fellow /. peers upward moderation ratings of my posts, vs. your b.s.).

    "Yours is a diseased mind." - by Sardaukar86 (850333) on Saturday January 26, @10:34PM (#42705271) Homepage

    As diseased as yours CLEARLY is? When you're b.s. is outnumbered by such a huge ratio?? Yea, "riiiggghhhttt", lol...

    Quit "projecting" your OWN issues onto myself...

    APK

    P.S.=> It is hilarious seeing you act the fool vs. your own mistakes & defeat you always bring on yourself...

    ... apk

    1. Re:"Rinse, Lather, & Repeat", troll... apk by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

      You are now displaying yet another sign of insanity: the inability to recognise one's own hypocrisy. Do you even remember who was calling who names throughout every post? Do you remember?

      No, of course you don't. It never happened, did it, because you are schizophrenic. You've disassociated yourself with reality because you can't face it. Look at your posts - nothing but the same slathering ramblings repeated over and over. You can't face my questions any more than you can form a cogent argument. Well done, APK, you've proven my point again, again, again and again; you need some help.

      You are simply not capable of holding a coherent discussion. Admit it, your brain is simply not up to the task. This is no longer opinion, you have provided us with clear evidence: look at your last few posts to me - you are incapable of engaging in intelligent discourse.

      Your level of fail is beyond epic and of truly impressive proportions. Your fail-worthiness is all the more delicious because this is how you attack other people! HAHA! I love it! Don't forget to accuse me of projection now! Keep the belly-laughs coming!

      Oh, and by the way, why don't you answer my question regarding your account/AC status?

      --
      ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
  57. Quit projecting your own faults onto me... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're out-Thought & outsmarted by your /. peers -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 and myself... period!

    * Brush up on your math especially!

    (Since a 244++:1 ratio of counter-opinions to yours, from your own /. peers as to the quality of my posts via their upwards moderations of MY posts, just BLOWS YOU AWAY, easily... by many orders of magnitude...)

    APK

    P.S.=> Lastly: You can *try* to play "SiDeWaLk-ShRiNk of /." all you like - you don't have what it takes to call others all the mental conditions you did, legally!

    Especially since you don't have:

    ---

    1.) a PhD in the psychiatric sciences

    2.) A formal psychiatric examination of myself given in a professional psychiatric environs

    3.) A license to practice

    ---

    Thus, in doing so?

    Tthat's libel of myself, by yourself!

    Per my subject-line above - QUIT PROJECTING YOUR OWN FAULTS onto myself, you fool!

    Ah, man... you KNOW I've just GOTTA say it (as-is-per-my-usual vs. wannabe shrinks like you):

    THIS?

    This was just "too, Too, TOO EASY - just '2ez'" & always is vs. dolts like Sardaukar86...

    ... apk

  58. On the use of profanity? How'd I forget by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "You are now displaying yet another sign of insanity: the inability to recognise one's own hypocrisy. Do you even remember who was calling who names throughout every post? Do you remember?" - by Sardaukar86 (850333) on Saturday January 26, @11:33PM (#42705473) Homepage

    Sardaukar86's "FoAmiNg-@-The-Mouth" truly "greatest hits", laden with profanity:

    ---

    Sardaukar86 profanity "FoaMiNg-@-The-MouTh" priceless "ReAcTioN" #1 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2579684&cid=38414922

    Sardaukar86 profanity "FoaMiNg-@-The-MouTh" priceless "ReAcTioN" #2 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2579684&cid=38414888

    Sardaukar86 off-topic illogical failed ad hominem attack attempt -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2579684&cid=38414906

    ---

    Now, what was that YOU SAID about "hypocrisy", idiot?

    You're the insane one, clearly!

    You are an idiot & a dolt as I called you - and now?

    YOU'RE ALSO A HYPOCRITE: I only call you what YOU MERIT (see p.s. below & the link in it showing your 'opinion' easily blown away by your /. peers), & since you like calling others names??

    When in Rome, I do as the romans do, and speak to them in a language they only seem to understand... lol!

    * Do yourself a favor - realize this: You're VERY EASY to outthink, outsmart, & yes, outclass...

    APK

    P.S.-> Brush up on your math too, since your "opinion" was blown away EASILY by your own /. peers, in a 244++:1 & many orders of magnitude difference as to the quality of my posts (via their upward moderations) -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491

    Addtionally & lastly, again:

    You can *try* to play "SiDeWaLk-ShRiNk of /." all you like - you don't have what it takes to call others all the mental conditions you did, legally! Especially since you don't have what it takes to do so, in these enumerated items:

    ---

    1.) a PhD in the psychiatric sciences

    2.) A formal psychiatric examination of myself given in a professional psychiatric environs

    3.) A license to practice

    ---

    Thus, in doing so?

    Tthat's libel of myself, by yourself!

    Per my subject-line above - QUIT PROJECTING YOUR OWN FAULTS onto myself, you fool!

    Ah, man... you KNOW I've just GOTTA say it (as-is-per-my-usual vs. wannabe shrinks like you):

    THIS?

    This was just "too, Too, TOO EASY - just '2ez'" & always is vs. dolts like Sardaukar86...

    ... apk

    1. Re:On the use of profanity? How'd I forget by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

      Well done, you missed the point again. If you look back through your responses I think you'll find it is you who comes across as the one who relies upon ad hominen to make your points.

      Do yourself a favor - realize this: You're VERY EASY to outthink, outsmart, & yes, outclass...

      I'm curious, how do you consider yourself to have outclassed me when you have failed to provide meaningful answers beyond screeds of name-calling and other childishness?

      Was it when you called me illiterate and I responded with a reasoned argument that you couldn't get your head around?

      Was it when you accused me of off-topic ad hominen and I simply referred you to your own foul-mouth ravings in this very thread? You responded by bringing in older posts unrelated to this discussion. How does this make you any less of a hypocrite? Oh wait, you don't know, because your rational thought is drowned out by your madness. Do you really feel you outclass me when anyone can see you have a very basic level of reading and writing comprehension? I very obviously have a far better command of the English language than you yourself do, yet you choose to blatantly and shamefully ignore this and go on to ice the cake by calling me illiterate. The only logical conclusion I can draw is that your madness is fouling up your reasoning. Again.

      Oh, and as for accusing me of posting AC in the middle of this discussion, perhaps with your self-described mental prowess you can explain why I would choose to do so? As you are aware I am quite capable of calling you names and will happily do so if it suits my purposes; I need no AC to back me up. Your posts are modded down by the /. community in nearly every case and after all your years of contribution you have amassed only a small list of contrary examples. You seal your incompetence by then claiming (Pyrrhic) victory over me with this and seem incapable of understanding how feeble this makes you look.

      The collecting of unrelated pieces of information and the evaluation of this information as the basis for conspiracy is simply another example of your insanity. Keep 'em coming!

      Oh, and why don't you have an account? Why do you post AC?

      --
      ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
  59. Posting ac to 'defend yourself' Sardaukar86? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please - fools nobody! So,"Eat your words" flavored with "the bitter taste of SELF-DEFEAT" & spiced with YOUR FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH, boy -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 & "do the math", since your opinion of my posts on /. is HEAVILY OUTNUMBERED by your own /. peers, no less, & in a 244++:1 ratio... lol!

    * :)

    (YOU FAIL!)

    APK

    P.S.=>

    "You don't need a phd in anything to spot sufficiently crazy. And you are crazy as fuck." - by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 27, @05:34AM (#42706415) really SARDAUKAR86 posting as ac now

    Again/once more:

    ---

    1.) Care to produce your PhD in the psychiatric sciences to back up your libel of myself?

    2.) Do you have a formal examination of myself given in a professional psychiatric environs as well??

    3.) How about your license to practice???

    ---

    OH, that's right - YOU HAVE NONE OF THE ABOVE to your name/credit, "ne'er-do-well" wannabe PhD in the psychiatric sciences - What are you? The "SiDeWaLk-ShRiNk of /."??

    Ah, lol, you FAIL AGAIN... man - do us & yourself a HUGE favor:

    QUIT PROJECTING YOUR OWN FAULTS ONTO MYSELF, or OTHERS... talk about "giving away" your own issues!

    ---

    "I'm morbidly fascinated in these posts." - by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 27, @05:34AM (#42706415) really SARDAUKAR86 posting as ac now

    Considering they are the 'death of you'

    Yes - I can see that... thanks for helping me show everyone your TRUE colors!

    See link above & ones below, "rinse, lather, & repeat", you off-topic profanity spewing troll...

    ---

    "They seem as if they could only be written by a messed up 14 year old.." - by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 27, @05:34AM (#42706415) really SARDAUKAR86 posting as ac now

    Oh, you mean like your OWN "greatest-hits" list, laden with profanity & your usual illogical off-topic ad hominem attacks? See links below... again - eat your words:

    ---

    Sardaukar86 profanity "FoaMiNg-@-The-MouTh" priceless "ReAcTioN" #1 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2579684&cid=38414922

    Sardaukar86 profanity "FoaMiNg-@-The-MouTh" priceless "ReAcTioN" #2 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2579684&cid=38414888

    Sardaukar86 off-topic illogical failed ad hominem attack attempt -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2579684&cid=38414906

    ---

    Now, what was that YOU SAID about "hypocrisy", idiot?

    ... apk

    1. Re:Posting ac to 'defend yourself' Sardaukar86? by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

      Now, what was that YOU SAID about "hypocrisy", idiot?

      Oh I almost forgot, this was my favourite bit! You couldn't have pulled it off more neatly and you don't even see it!

      Explanation for you APK: you accused me of ad hominen, I said that was hypocritical because you have proven your inability to make an argument without ad hominen. Naturally, your response was to instead accuse me of hypocrisy (not much imagination going on here) but then you added an ad hominen attack! Isn't it just gorgeous?

      What's even more delicious is that even after having the details spelled out for you as I have done, you won't accept them because your madness is in control of you. You are the one that has to live with that in your head whilst I enjoy a normal life. I have especially enjoyed watching you unwittingly rant yourself into a frenzy of spittle for my entertainment.

      I'm sure I'll get some great mileage out of you my good friend. :-)

      --
      ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
  60. Re: APK is incapable of rational thought by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

    You keep ignoring the substance of my posts and respond with the same faulty logic. Do you really need to further prove that you are incapable of coherent argument? I think you've made that point by now.

    In failing to respond and continuing to claim your irrelevant rantings as 'blowing me away' whilst ignoring my points and shying away from my questions, you confirm your lack of ability to meaningfully engage in discussion.

    In particular, you have no response to my arguments regarding your repeated use of the 244:1 list you have so painstakingly constructed. Furthermore, you then hold this silliness up as some sort of victory, further evidence of your mental incompetence.

    Oh, and by the way, what's the deal with your account/AC status?

    --
    ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
  61. You dusted yourself from the start... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is 244 > 1? Answer = YES -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491

    (That's YOUR "trollish opinion", Vs. your own /. peers opinions of the quality of my posts, via their upward moderations (WHICH IS A LOT HARDER TO GET POSTING AS AC MIND YOU, since /. "hides" our posts in its default view), did the job along with your big mouth!)

    * :)

    I must actually THANK you for being SO easy to outwit...

    APK

    P.S.=>

    "You keep ignoring the substance of my posts and respond with the same faulty logic." - by Sardaukar86 (850333) on Sunday January 27, @05:36PM (#42710485) Homepage

    Yea, ok... "Riiiiggghhhttt" (sarcasm) - answer the question above & do the math, & tell us another one... lol!

    ---

    "Do you really need to further prove that you are incapable of coherent argument? I think you've made that point by now." - by Sardaukar86 (850333) on Sunday January 27, @05:36PM (#42710485) Homepage

    It's not even an "argument" when you killed yourself from the very start... see the link above, "rinse, lather, & repeat", troll!

    LMAO, I mean, seriously - you made MY point for me, see link above - YOU CAN'T EVEN FACE YOU ARE OUTNUMBERED vs. YOUR OPINION of my posts, vs. your /. peers opinions I can post in seconds to dust you with them...

    Thanks, I suppose, for MAKING ME LOOK GOOD, every single time you try this crap!

    ---

    "In particular, you have no response to my arguments regarding your repeated use of the 244:1 list you have so painstakingly constructed." - by Sardaukar86 (850333) on Sunday January 27, @05:36PM (#42710485) Homepage

    Nothing painstaking about it - /.'ers did it for me & yes, I need to repeat it - so it "sinks in" & pisses you off SO BADLY, you *try* to get in "the last word" so I just toss your own FAIL back in your face - yes, it's THAT simple, & you made it so... lol!

    ---

    "Oh, and by the way, what's the deal with your account/AC status?" - by Sardaukar86 (850333) on Sunday January 27, @05:36PM (#42710485) Homepage

    I see NO REAL BENEFIT in "chasing karma points" & IF/WHEN I have something nice to say to others? I do it directly, via replies to their posts when & where appropriate... so, what's YOUR point?

    ... apk

    1. Re:You dusted yourself from the start... apk by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

      "You keep ignoring the substance of my posts and respond with the same faulty logic." - by Sardaukar86 (850333) on Sunday January 27, @05:36PM (#42710485) Homepage

      Yea, ok... "Riiiiggghhhttt" (sarcasm) - answer the question above & do the math, & tell us another one... lol!

      ---

      What math would you have me do? What question would you have me answer? That 243 > 1? If so, you have once again failed to understand my very simple point, made when you first trotted that list out. I'll spell it out for you again: your list is statistically irrelevant because you have provided no basis of comparison. In its present form it proves nothing but your own confirmation bias. Why do you continue to fail to understand this simple point?

      It's not even an "argument" when you killed yourself from the very start... see the link above, "rinse, lather, & repeat", troll!

      LMAO, I mean, seriously - you made MY point for me, see link above - YOU CAN'T EVEN FACE YOU ARE OUTNUMBERED vs. YOUR OPINION of my posts, vs. your /. peers opinions I can post in seconds to dust you with them...

      Thanks, I suppose, for MAKING ME LOOK GOOD, every single time you try this crap!

      Again, you just don't get it. I'm happy to face whatever actual truth you can come up with. What you still aren't getting is that when you compare apples to oranges and claim victory, you prove nothing besides your own lack of understanding. Lol indeed.

      Nothing painstaking about it - /.'ers did it for me & yes, I need to repeat it - so it "sinks in" & pisses you off SO BADLY, you *try* to get in "the last word" so I just toss your own FAIL back in your face - yes, it's THAT simple, & you made it so... lol!

      Tell me more about this fantasy world of yours, where people take your silly remarks seriously enough to actually get upset? The only times you've irritated me is when you pop into a worthwhile discussion spouting your stupidity and childishness, disrupting the conversation. That's when you're just a distraction, like a mosquito. You'll note I don't generally try to argue with you in those circumstances. It seems you're determined to be too simplistic to differentiate the two. Do you also have trouble with reality when watching TV shows and movies? Have you ever thought you might be Jesus? I wouldn't be surprised.

      I see NO REAL BENEFIT in "chasing karma points" & IF/WHEN I have something nice to say to others? I do it directly, via replies to their posts when & where appropriate... so, what's YOUR point?

      ... apk

      Who said anything about karma?

      There are plenty of other benefits to using a registered account on /. - you can look them up yourself. I think the real reason is that you'd end up posting at -1 rather than 0 as you do when AC, because the /. crowd would very promptly show you exactly how valuable your contributions really are.

      You don't want to log in because then you'd have to face the reality that despite your silly little list, the majority here find you tiresome and an extreme bore. Facing reality isn't your strong suit, so here we are. Still.

      --
      ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
    2. Re:You dusted yourself from the start... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's shown the crowd here says he posts well http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 and all you have's your offtopic trolling. Nothing of value. In case you haven't noticed, you're outnumbered 245 to 1 and what you have is ad hominem attacks on his mental state which you are not qualified to judge by any means.

    3. Re:You dusted yourself from the start... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That list of his is more than you have by far. You're an idiot troll.

    4. Re:You dusted yourself from the start... apk by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

      He's shown the crowd here says he posts well http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 and all you have's your offtopic trolling. Nothing of value. In case you haven't noticed, you're outnumbered 245 to 1 and what you have is ad hominem attacks on his mental state which you are not qualified to judge by any means.

      Is it purely for my own amusement, APK, that you find yourself compelled to carry out the very act you accuse me of? Otherwise, this would appear to make you a hypocrite, at least according to my understanding of the word.

      Either way, you're lulz-a-minute according to my camp, keep 'em coming! :-)

      --
      ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
    5. Re:You dusted yourself from the start... apk by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

      That list of his is more than you have by far. You're an idiot troll.

      Hmm, I do wonder exactly who this clever character could be, he who assails me out of nowhere to defend the good character of his colleague APK?

      I love your style my friend, you keep me smiling. :)

      --
      ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
    6. Re:You dusted yourself from the start... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. You're just an idiot that can't handle he failed from the start here http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 I was the ac that posted here earlier.

    7. Re:You dusted yourself from the start... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      His good character was shown here and you failed against it http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 I was the ac that posted here long ago and after I read that I had to side with him instead of you.

    8. Re:You dusted yourself from the start... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're saying 245 people here are wrong and you're right http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42703703 ?

  62. Who's a hypocrite/pot calling a kettle black? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Well done, you missed the point again. If you look back through your responses I think you'll find it is you who comes across as the one who relies upon ad hominen to make your points." - by Sardaukar86 (850333) on Sunday January 27, @05:59PM (#42710663) Homepage

    See my subject-line above: Profanity = YOUR specialty -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42706745

    I also notice you won't answer my simple question in my last post you just replied to - "gosh, why's that?" (not), lol...

    Hey now - come on: It's simple math after all: Your trollish opinion of my posts, vs. 244++ of those of your /. peers -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491

    (Which is greater?)

    See my subject-line above - you FAIL as per your usual, by opening your big mouth & inserting your foot + having to "eat your words", & it's hilarious - every single time you do it!

    ---

    "I'm curious, how do you consider yourself to have outclassed me when you have failed to provide meaningful answers beyond screeds of name-calling and other childishness?" - by Sardaukar86 (850333) on Sunday January 27, @05:59PM (#42710663) Homepage

    Do the math (your 'trollish opinion' was shot down in flames by your own /. peers' counter-opinions via upward mods of my posts, from only a partial list of my favs no less) -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491

    ---

    "Was it when you called me illiterate and I responded with a reasoned argument that you couldn't get your head around?" - by Sardaukar86 (850333) on Sunday January 27, @05:59PM (#42710663) Homepage

    LMAO - once more "pot calling a kettle black": DO THE MATH -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 & tell us another one, lol!

    ---

    This "takes the cake" outta you, pot calling a kettle black/hypocrite (the very name you called me no less, projecting your own b.s. onto me, yet again):

    "Was it when you accused me of off-topic ad hominen and I simply referred you to your own foul-mouth ravings in this very thread?" - by Sardaukar86 (850333) on Sunday January 27, @05:59PM (#42710663) Homepage

    See subject-line, & once more, see this post of your "greatest hits" -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42706745 profanity laden b.s. all the way, from you!

    Me?

    I only call a spade a spade, & when in ROME? I do as the romans do, which you did LONG before myself, & speak in terms your limited brain only understands!

    LOL!

    ---

    "Oh, and why don't you have an account? Why do you post AC?" - by Sardaukar86 (850333) on Sunday January 27, @05:59PM (#42710663) Homepage

    Answered already -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42710611 (can't you read?) & why should I have a registered 'luser' account for or use it rather?? So I can be like YOU?

    No thank you!

    APK

    P.S.=> This is FUN, since it is too easy to dust you on the very so-called 'points' you try to make, & then end up having to "eat your words" each time, lol:

    "Oh, and as for accusing me of posting AC in the middle of this discussion" - by Sardaukar86 (850333) on Sunday January 27, @05:59PM (#42710663) Homepage

    Who else is going to def

    1. Re:Who's a hypocrite/pot calling a kettle black? by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

      Hmm, it's obvious now that you're not able to break out of your schizophrenic circle.

      I'm not sure there's much to be gained from attempting to explore this further. You seem to be unreasonable, irrational and clearly mentally incapable of holding a coherent thread or even attempting to logically rebut an argument. That said, I wasn't expecting much more, but I'll admit to being a little disappointed that you really are as two-dimensional as you appear. I'm glad I took this time to understand you better, it has been an interesting experiment and thanks for playing.

      Oh, I know, this won't be the end of it for you by a long shot. I'm fully expecting you to howl on and on because you genuinely think that you have beaten me.

      Shot me down. In flames.
      KILLED me.
      Forced me to eat my words.
      Called me out with my foot in my mouth, etc.

      I like that you think that, I understand that you can't conceive of anything outside of this simplistic dualism of yours and I really wouldn't have it any other way. Where'd be the fun in that? :-)

      --
      ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
  63. Have you even taken stats? I have... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have ZERO backing your opinion (except you, still zero)... unbelievable - you don't even HAVE a sampleset! Per my subject-line above: I took both STAT I & II & aced them... somehow, I doubt you have - especially with NOTHING TO BACK UP YOUR B.S.!

    * You nuked yourself with your big mouth, & that's that... especially vs. 244++ of your /. peers evidences regarding the quality of my posts -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491

    (There IS a large difference between my sampleset, & yours... many orders of magnitude more!).

    As far as having a "registered 'luser'" account here? Again, why should I?? So I can be JUST LIKE YOU???

    Again - NO thank you!

    Now, the DAY you can show me that you've done a FRACTION of what I have in the art & science of computing, is the day the TROLLING LIKES OF YOU, a mere "ne'er-do-well", can even BEGIN to say what I say in conversations is bogus!

    (Especially considering you've been completely off-topic here the entire time no less!)

    APK

    P.S.=> Everything I needed to say, has been said & you FAIL, period... now, I don't have TIME for your b.s. anymore: I am watching one of my fav. films of all time "The Curious Case of Benjamin Button"...

    ... apk

  64. It's obvious you've no PhD in psychiatry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So the "best you've got" is pure libel, dolt... you aren't qualified to judge me on the grounds of mental health - period!

    Especially vs. this (where you shot yourself down in flames from the start here -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491

    By the way/Again:

    That's 244++ of your /. peers putting your b.s. regarding my posts' quality to rest - with you along with them!

    You can't stand that, can you? Obviously not! Right from the start here, off-topic & all outta you?? YOU SHOT YOURSELF DOWN IN FLAMES, lol... hilarious!

    (Makes me laugh - but, you did it to yourself... I didn't "kill you" - you did that, to yourself... purest suicide!)

    APK

    P.S.=> You have ZERO backing your opinion (except you, still zero)... unbelievable -

    Face it - You nuked yourself with your big mouth, & that's that... especially vs. 244++ of your /. peers evidences regarding the quality of my posts -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491

    (There IS a large difference between my sampleset, & yours... many orders of magnitude more!).

    (Especially considering you've been completely off-topic here the entire time no less!)

    Everything I needed to say, has been said & you FAIL, period... now, I don't have TIME for your b.s. anymore: I am watching one of my fav. films of all time "The Curious Case of Benjamin Button"...

    ... apk

  65. My fav. bit here's seeing you NUKE yourself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Right off the bat/outta the starting gate -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491

    * So, the "trolling" likes of you *thinks* my posts are bad... well, 244++ of your /. peers say otherwise, via their upwards moderations of my posts, vs. your bullshit!

    APK

    P.S.=> You're nobody to judge anyone - especially after that! Utterly hilarious... Besides: Who are you? Nobody, a mere forums "ne'er-do-well" who hasn't accomplished a thing of note in the art & science of computing (whereas I have & I'd wager BEFORE YOU WERE BREATHING or while you were in DIAPERS)...

    Besides - Everything I needed to say, has been said & you FAIL, period... now, I don't have TIME for your b.s. anymore: I am watching one of my fav. films of all time "The Curious Case of Benjamin Button"...

    ... apk

    1. Re:My fav. bit here's seeing you NUKE yourself by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

      Nuked?

      What on earth are you on about? Have you forgotten (in your flaccidity) that we are merely exchanging words on the Internet?
      There are no physical weapons here beyond our written word. By your colourful language and expansive metaphors you betray yourself as unable to separate reality from the fiction that runs your head. How many more obvious signs of your mental illness do you need pointed out to you before you'll even consider the truth?

      You can only start making progress with your disease if you admit the truth of its existence, APK.

      --
      ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
    2. Re:My fav. bit here's seeing you NUKE yourself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Answer me this. You say 245 people here are wrong and you're right http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42703703 ?

  66. Sardaukar86's 'greatest-hits' FAIL list vs. myself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He proves the Dunning-Kruger effect by his inability to learn from his mistakes shown below & repeating them:

    ---

    Sardaukar86 - BLOWN AWAY vs. my upward mod list (147++:1 as the ratio) -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2579684&cid=38413180

    YET AGAIN, same thing (160++:1 ratio as the order of magnitude above his 'trollish opinion') -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2741535&cid=39525081

    Yes, folks, believe it or not?

    YET AGAIN, same thing - yet again in January 2012 (244++:1 as the ratio) - Sardaukar86 repeats his mistake YET AGAIN (he's a moron doesn't learn by mistakes):

    http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491

    (AND? Far MORE upwards moderations did it this time, lol! Nearly double since the 1st time above & not even in a year, which is TOUGH on us AC's to get (as /. buries our posts in its default view))

    ---

    Well, I have a QUESTION for you: What does it taste like, "eating your own words" FLAVORED with 'the bitter taste of SELF-defeat', spiced with the taste of your FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH?

    ---

    (ROTFLMAO!)

    * Learn by your mistakes shown above @ least... lol, since you PROVE the "Dunning-Kruger effect", via this pertinent quote from Wikipedia on it:

    "The Dunningâ"Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than average. This bias is attributed to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their mistakes" FROM -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

    APK

    P.S.=> In a way, I understand WHY you did that - you need to get over your "geek angst" (since you often resort to profanity & other forms of illogical off-topic ad hominem attacks, shown in THESE links, when you "FAIL"):

    ---

    Sardaukar86 profanity "FoaMiNg-@-The-MouTh" priceless "ReAcTioN" #1 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2579684&cid=38414922

    Sardaukar86 profanity "FoaMiNg-@-The-MouTh" priceless "ReAcTioN" #2 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2579684&cid=38414888

    Sardaukar86 off-topic illogical failed ad hominem attack attempt -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2579684&cid=38414906

    Funnier still? People, after ALL of the above??

    I merely "call a spade a spade", & "when in rome, I do as the romans do" & speak to them in a language their limited brains understand (since I called him a dolt, quite rightfully after the above, lol):

    http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42705473

    I found it HIGHLY AMUSING to find out that Sardaukar86 "can dish it out, but can't take it" in return... what a pussy & punk, point-blank, not mincing words on that note either!

    ---

    Sardaukar86 resorts to playing "The SiDeWaLk-ShRiNk of /.", minus any professional training or certifications in the psychiatric sciences of course, and lacking a formal examination of my alleged mental state to back his libel of myself (numerous times)

    http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42705271

  67. Re:Sardaukar86's 'greatest-hits' FAIL list vs. mys by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

    He proves the Dunning-Kruger effect by his inability to learn from his mistakes shown below & repeating them:

    "If wishes were horses then beggars would ride," or so the old saying goes. You may wish for a thing to be, but this does not necessarily make it so. Unless, of course, the wisher is schizophrenic and doesn't really understand his own words, let alone those of other people. The more you ramble, the more obvious it is to everyone, APK.

    How can you claim to have won the argument if you can't provide an intelligent answer to even the simplest of questions posed? If you're so assured of yourself and your towering victory over me, why are you unable to address my question regarding your little list and your inability to understand the concept of confirmation bias? All you've done is evade the question, spitting out screeds of unrelated rubbish as incontrovertible evidence of your success. WTF?

    When you can come up with a coherent rebuttal to my arguments I will take your posts seriously. Until then, you are only trumpeting your ignorance.

    --
    ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
  68. Re:Sardaukar86's 'greatest-hits' FAIL list vs. mys by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

    It's easy to see how you are so impressed with yourself, when considering your modus operandi:

    1. 1. Spout repetitive and uninteresting rubbish until you get modded down
    2. 2. Whine about how it's so very unfair to poor little APK. Blame everyone but self.
    3. 3. Respond by ignoring questions that pull the guts out of your own argument
    4. 4. Claim victory.
    5. 5. Respond by further failing to understand even the simplest of arguments (but not to worry, use shouting and childish insults), begin chest-thumping and self-preening stage. Ignore questions that damage your argument, claim victory again.
    6. 6. Add 'victory' to high-score list that only a madman would maintain.

    It's easy to be victorious when the battles you win are all inside your head. As for our discussion, you haven't even managed to take a swing yet! Get on to some meds, pal, your life will be a whole lot better and you won't be compelled to keep ridiculous lists as you do in your current obsessive-compulsive pattern.

    --
    ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
  69. Re:Sardaukar86's 'greatest-hits' FAIL list vs. mys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Answer me this. You say 245 people here are wrong and you're right http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 ?

  70. Re:Sardaukar86's 'greatest-hits' FAIL list vs. mys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Answer me this. You say 245 people here are wrong and you're right http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 ?

  71. Re:Sardaukar86's 'greatest-hits' FAIL list vs. mys by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

    Answer me this. You say 245 people here are wrong and you're right http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 ?

    Thank you, I applaud you for stepping up.

    I agree that were someone arguing "245 people are wrong despite your evidence and I'm right," would probably piss me off too. However, in honesty, I'm not arguing that at all. I completely agree that (at least) 245 times in the past, one or more people have found your post to be worth moderating up. I'd wager there are actually even more than that. You'll note that nowhere have I called you stupid throughout our little discussion.

    My point is that when the argument between us boils down to my assertion that (I summarise) your posts are long-winded and unpleasant to read, you cannot hold up the 245-people list on its own as evidence to the contrary. It's valid, but it tells only half the story and by failing to back it up it effectively becomes a lie by omission. I purport that to accept such a list at face value as fact - as you ask me to do - would be to legitimise a faulty confirmation bias

    For your argument to hold water, you would need to show:

    • - that each of these 245 instances of up-moderation are unique individuals and not just a small group of people modding you up over the time period your list covers (note that I certainly accept these are 245 instances of up-moderation)
    • - a corresponding list covering the same time period with every down-moderation of your posts accounted for
    • - a direct comparison showing a positive moderation balance in your favour

    Such a thing would be nicely handled by /.'s karma system, were you to create an account and log in. This would automatically provide instant recognition of the contribution your posts make to /. and I believe you know it only too well. I suspect you post AC because any account you create would be driven into negative karma fairly quickly. As you know, the /. moderation mechanism helps the keep noise out of the system. Slashdot posters have consistently moderated your posts as noise, so I make the argument that on-balance, your contributions to /. are of no value.

    Don't take my word for it, go follow each of your links and have a look at some of the comments following your post. They speak far louder about the way you are perceived by Slashdot than a shortlist of occasional up-moderations of posts spanning a period of eight years for goodness sake! Here's an example:

    In response to DATASTRUCTURES & SQL:2011 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2080454&cid=35794668 [slashdot.org], from your list:

    moderation (Score:5, Funny)
    by mevets (322601) Alter Relationship on 5:12 Wednesday 13 April 2011 (#35794934)
    Really we need more categories.
    +1 incoherent
    +1 too many ellipses
    +1 imaginative use of mixed case
    +1 disturbing
    +1 peculiar
    +1 could be charlie sheen

    Agreed - that's just one example (amusingly, the first one I picked at random) however you don't need to dig too deep to see there are plenty more.

    --
    ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
  72. Re:Sardaukar86's 'greatest-hits' FAIL list vs. mys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're a deluded nut outnumbered by almost 250 people http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 Sardaukar86.

  73. Score = APK 250, Sardaukar86 0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    APK has ~ 250 up modded posts vs. your opinion. You made the same mistake 3 times Sardaukar86 and are clearly outnumbered since he was upward moderated. You do exemplify the Dunning Krueger effect of making the same mistake repeatedly http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42721345 and you also exemplify a saying regarding insanity of "insanity is making the same mistake over and over again, expecting different results" http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbo=d&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=%22insanity+is+making+the+same+mistake+over+and+over+again+expecting+different+results%22&btnG=Submit&gbv=1&sei=774HUfnjAtCH0QH574G4DA

    1. Re:Score = APK 250, Sardaukar86 0 by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

      Typical, shallow, childish APK response: No I don't! You do!

      So then, if you are so sure of yourself then why don't you, without abuse and ad hominen, prove my arguments invalid?

      After all this you still haven't made a single valid point or managed to rebut any of mine. You've already demonstrated that any idiot can fling faeces and you've shown over and over again that this is the extent of your linguistic abilities.

      Hint: this if your cue to post the list (again) and claim victory. Victorious APK! All hail the king of debate! The lord of language! The emperor of eloquence!

      --
      ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
    2. Re:Score = APK 250, Sardaukar86 0 by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

      You do exemplify the Dunning Krueger effect of making the same mistake repeatedly

      Unfortunately it appears that you have no idea what the Dunning-Kreuger effect actually is. A more thoughtful person would have taken the time to research the cognitive bias before accusing another of same.

      Nice fail. Perhaps you'd like to try again my clumsy, uneducated friend?

      --
      ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
    3. Re:Score = APK 250, Sardaukar86 0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FTFY: Ya mean /.'s reply in upmods for apk outnumbering you nearly 250 to 1? You proved your own replies invalid by failing against apk on this very point 3 or 4 times already in the past year or so. You fail. Accept it. I bet you're used to failing or addicted to it, lmao!

    4. Re:Score = APK 250, Sardaukar86 0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Appears you fail vs. apk on more than his upmods vs. your fail opinion (250 to 1 no less where your /. peers put you away 3 or 4 times in the past year now on this very point, hahaha) and also on hosts files against apk too http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42725675 and Dunning Krueger effect clearly notes that repeated failures due to lack of skills (which you've demonstrated vs. apk both technically and in debate) is a symptom. You are the fail symptom, repeatedly, vs. apk.

    5. Re:Score = APK 250, Sardaukar86 0 by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

      Once again you show a complete lack of anything other than shallow understanding and an inability to comprehend simple language. You have, in effect, demonstrated your own affliction with said effect.

      Go read the first paragraph on Wikipedia and explain how it supports your faulty logic.

      --
      ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
    6. Re:Score = APK 250, Sardaukar86 0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You lack understanding you're outnumbered in your 'opinion' http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 and by giant margins against the opinions of your fellow slashdot peers upward moderating apk. That's what you have done repeatedly and Dunning Kruger at wikipedia says that much ""The DunningÃ"Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than average. This bias is attributed to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their mistakes" FROM -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect". Just as it was cited earlier here http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42721345 by apk. You fail in your trolling and against apk on hosts files also. Repeatedly. Seems the (what was it apk called you? Oh yea) "the SideWaLk-ShRiNk of /." (sardaukar86) fails in his tired old "lets call others crazy"" and libel them too. 1 definition of insanity is "making the same mistakes over and over expecting different results" and from what I've read here you've tried this same off topic illogical ad hominem attack on apk repeatedly and failed each time. You fail. At least you're good at failing.

    7. Re:Score = APK 250, Sardaukar86 0 by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

      I gotta hand it to ya APK, this is almost a real attempt to counter my point! Well done! Look at it this way; in a few years you might be able to make a rational argument without uncontrollably urinating all over yourself in the process. Attaboy!

      Let me start by pointing out that your first argument has already been completely discredited; your own reputation on Slashdot as a windbag is already well-established. It took you nearly eight years to scrape up a list of positive mods and even then many of the replies to your own listed posts shows the well-deserved derision you get from the crowd, even your posts that somehow got themselves modded up. Still, this is all irrelevant, because you cannot show that you have been up-modded more than you have been down-modded, which would put your silly claims in context shut your illogical ramblings up.
      Slashdot has effectively forced you to post AC because you sent your own reputation into the toilet the moment you opened your big yap. Yet here I am, discussing this matter with you under my own account with positive karma. I think Slashdot agrees with me that it is you who are the troll. You cannot counter my argument so you spew your list and fling your poo. Keep going, please, it's funny as hell to watch you writhe in your own excrement.

      Moving on, you cite the Wiki paragraph I mention (good! your reading comprehension is improving I see!) in an effort to re-assert your point that you (falsely) believe you have already long since won against me. The reason I am not buying it is because you have simply ignored my logical argument as to why the evidence you provide is laughably flimsy, going on to claim another supreme victory for APK the greatest see coz he won against sardaukar oh yes he did coz I sez.
      Yeah, real compelling stuff there pal.

      As for "making the same mistakes over and over expecting different results", I'm not the one repeatedly disgorging poorly-formatted lists here. You are in need of medication as your illness is making you blind to your own ineptitude.

      --
      ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
    8. Re:Score = APK 250, Sardaukar86 0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get it through your head. I'm not apk. He got the best of ya http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 and not a first on that from what I have seen or on hosts files either. You failed and you can't stand it obviously. I am just laughing at how easy it is to get a rise out of you by pointing that out, hahahaha. You keep making the same mistakes over and over expecting different results. Many call that insane. Repeated fails are a sign of the Dunning Kruger effect as was said here too. You must be addicted to failing since you troll apk and always fail.

    9. Re:Score = APK 250, Sardaukar86 0 by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

      AC claiming not to be APK, repeat of APK-fail list, delusional thinking, false claim of victory, ad hominen, irrational conclusion.

      I expect we'll see you writing style change soon as you put more effort into sounding like someone other than APK, but when your modus operandi is the same.. it's just a funny joke. :-)

      --
      ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
    10. Re:Score = APK 250, Sardaukar86 0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sardaukar86 forgot his med interval again for paranoia. We're all apk.

    11. Re:Score = APK 250, Sardaukar86 0 by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

      Anyone reading this thread can see your childishness. Are you really expecting the /. community to believe that APK suddenly had a bunch of ACs spring out of nowhere to trumpet his (false) victory? All at much the same time that APK is furiously typing his latest idiocy? I think your asking a bit much buddy.

      It didn't take long for you to fall back to the highly-evolved "I know you are I said you are but what am I" debating technique, did it APK?

      If anyone can claim victory it should be myself as you've consistently failed to rebut a single point. It's official: APK can claim whatever he likes, the truth is here for all to see. APK couldn't reason his way out of a paper bag and has been proven a piss-weak debater who doesn't even understand his own arguments.

      Don't forget to post your list again, it's sure to convince me this time.

      --
      ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
    12. Re:Score = APK 250, Sardaukar86 0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone reading this can see you're clearly a fool here http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 that opened his mouth and stuck his foot in it having to eat your words against hundreds of your slashdot peers thoughts compared to yours, and that you're running away from a fair challenge apk gave you here also http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42725675 but perhaps most of all that you are still stinging in obsessive geek angst over apk repeatedly trashing you since you are not intelligent or skilled enough to get the best of him. You know what they say about those repeating their mistakes over and over again expecting different results and not learning by it? Sardaukar86 = the poster child for Dunning Krueger (lmao). If anyone queries your username on google they're going to see this if you keep it up, but that's up to you.

    13. Re:Score = APK 250, Sardaukar86 0 by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

      Anyone reading this can see you're clearly a fool here http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491

      APK manchild response #1: brainlessly spew nonsensical lists as rebuttal against any point raised

      APK manchild response #3: Spout abuse and call your detractor a bunch of childish names

      and that you're running away from a fair challenge apk gave you here also http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42725675

      APK manchild response #2: Maintain lists of 'wins' like an obsessive old grouch, ready to use as feeble ammunition

      Tell me, was that before or after you had it explained to you that your 'challenges', your lists and every other response you've given is worthless? It's not my fault you are too wilfully-stupid to understand just how pathetic your 'rebuttal' is.

      but perhaps most of all that you are still stinging in obsessive geek angst over apk repeatedly trashing you since you are not intelligent or skilled enough to get the best of him.

      Hahaha, the 'best of him'? I've already seen the best of APK and it's laughably feeble to say the least. Face it APK, you are the one who is outclassed. You haven't got a leg to stand on - but you do have lots of obsessively-compiled lists to prove your non-point.

      You know what they say about those repeating their mistakes over and over again expecting different results and not learning by it? Sardaukar86 = the poster child for Dunning Krueger (lmao). If anyone queries your username on google they're going to see this if you keep it up, but that's up to you.

      Oooh, I wouldn't go laughing your arse off, you might need it to help you 'win' another of your imaginary 'victories'

      How can you claim anyone but yourself as a moron when every post you make confirms your lack of maturity, wilful ignorance and childish reasoning?

      How can you consider that I am not intelligent or skilled enough to get the better of you, when you are clearly the sort of person who would struggle with something as complex as sitting in a sandpit? Your inflated ego is completely misplaced my arrogant friend.

      --
      ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
    14. Re:Score = APK 250, Sardaukar86 0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hahaha Sardaukar86's new diet = eating his words http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 flavored of course with the bitter taste of self defeat and his foot in his mouth vs nearly 250 of his slashdot peers. All the name tossing in the world isn't helping the fact you put yourself on that 'diet' Sardaukar86, nobody else, hahahahaha

  74. Re:Sardaukar86's 'greatest-hits' FAIL list vs. mys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If apk's posts = bad then why are 245 or so up modded? For your so called argument to hold up you need > 245 downmods of apk's posts. You don't have that. You lose, you fail. Accept it. You've made this mistake 3 times before and couldn't disprove apk's points on hosts files benefits to users either http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42721345 and resorted to name calling (which you called apk a hypocrite for which makes you the hypocrite projecting your own faults onto others) and then you libeled him calling him insane and the like. Clearly "making the same mistakes over and over and expecting different results" as 1 definition of insanity fits you, making you a hypocrite again. You are not a psychiatric professional, you have no license to practice it and you have no formal examination of apk's mental state to libel him that way. There's laws against libel and yet you clearly dismiss them cavalierly, again showing you are not considering the possible consequences of your actions, again making you clearly insane.

  75. Sardaukar86 - a challenge to you... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Eat your words" flavored w/ the bitter taste of SELF-defeat & your foot in your mouth - "rinse, lather, & repeat" (you fail):

    "You have had it repeatedly explained to you that your posts are long-winded, unpleasant to read due to your absurd formatting style and full of technical inaccuracies borne of your single minded i-have-a-hammer-so-every-problem-is-a-nail attitude." - by Sardaukar86 (850333) on Saturday January 26, @01:06AM (#42698875) Homepage

    Opinions of my posts clearly vary, and outnumber yours by MANY orders of magnitude from your /. peers, shown below!

    ---

    Also - Where are the technical inaccuracies? What computing technical innacuracies are those?

    (Clearly, the list of upwards mods of my posts below shows otherwise on computing technical information I posted (not the b.s. trolling stupidity you base your "argument" on, mere opinions, that are outnumbered by the list below, lol!)).

    Your inaccuracies were shown earlier -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42721345 in YOU being unable to disprove my points on custom hosts files benefits to users in added speed, added security, added reliability & even added anonymity to an extent!

    More on that below in my p.s., yet again (consider it a challenge, & one you've failed against many times already on, lol)!

    Your further opinion is blown away by a 242++:1 ratio of counter opinions from your /. peers upward mods of my posts::

    Thus - Opinions clearly vary: Yours above FAILS, vs. hundreds of these of your /. peers:

    ---

    Roughly 242++ of them & I post as AC (hard to get even +1, as /. hides our posts & we "AC"'s start @ ZERO/0 points, unlike registered "lusers", lol!):

    +5 'modded up' posts by "yours truly" (8):

    HOSTS & BGP:2010 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1901826&cid=34490450
    FIREFOX IN DANGER: 2011 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2559120&cid=38268580
    TESLA:2010 -> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1872982&cid=34264190
    TESLA:2010 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1806946&cid=33777976
    NVIDIA 2d:2006 -> http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=175774&cid=14610147
    Ubuntu Linux sends back local disk query strings to CANONICAL: 2012 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3304601&cid=42234351
    Question to Mr. Mark Shuttleworth @ UBUNTU/CANONICAL: 2012 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3304725&cid=42243467
    COMPUTER ASSOCIATES BUSTED FOR ACCOUNTING FRAUD:2010 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1884922&cid=34350102

    ----

    +4 'modded up' posts by "yours truly" (5):

    APK SECURITY GUIDE:2005 -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=167071&cid=13931198
    INFO. SYSTEMS WORK:2005 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=161862&cid=13531817
    WINDOWS @ NASDAQ 7++ YRS. NOW:2009 ->

    1. Re:Sardaukar86 - a challenge to you... apk by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

      As always, your only argument is to regurgitate your irrelevant list and fling poo.

      It's okay though, I understand that you don't know any better.

      --
      ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
    2. Re:Sardaukar86 - a challenge to you... apk by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

      Oh, and rather that digging up the original argument, why don't you try answering some of the rebuttal?

      Answer: you know you are incapable and you also know I know you are incapable.

      --
      ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
    3. Re:Sardaukar86 - a challenge to you... apk by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

      Oh, and as to your 'challenge', I'm not sure I understand wherein the challenge lies. After all, you haven't brought anything to rebut my argument that your 'evidence' is worthless - all you do is spew it out again and again then fling more poo. I am impressed with your conceit and inflated self-opinion, especially as you can't even form a cogent argument.

      You say 'when in Rome' and yet you still haven't noticed that throughout, I've kept my comments to those of your behaviour, rather than criticising you as a person. I've said you are mentally ill, not that you are stupid. This continued erratic behaviour of yours is only more grist for my mill when I say you are suffering from some sort of delusional complex and perhaps even schizophrenia - you just keep proving me right over and over with your ridiculous posts.

      Another thing: you do like to talk yourself up don't you? You reckon you 'dusted' me on your silly hosts files nonsense, right? According to you it takes little more than calling someone schoolyard names to 'dust them' or 'kill them' or had them 'put their foot in their mouth'. Do you also claim victory when you take a shit? Yeah, you really dusted that toilet, take that sewer system! Yeaaaah, another one ToTaLLy 0wn3d by APK, lord warrior of the universe.

      Your own standards are so pathetically low that it can only cause amusement when you attack other people with your dull verbiage, rather than the offence you hope to effect.

      --
      ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
    4. Re:Sardaukar86 - a challenge to you... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funniest part's you're helpless vs. a 242++:1 ratio vs. your opinion http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 you said what you did there and apk tore you apart (or rather your fellow slashdotters opinions did by giant margins). You fail. You must like it since I have seen you do so 4 times on this note and was it 5 times against apk on hosts files? Man, you stink at trolling even. What's irrelevant are your off topic gurglings and droolings, hahaha.

    5. Re:Sardaukar86 - a challenge to you... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're incapable of facing the fact you failed 242++:1 http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 and it is the original argument you started and failed very badly on by that margin. You have no rebuttal against your mouth causing you a problem you can't get out of and from what I've seen, you've done this to yourself repeatedly on failed attacks you've tried in trolling apk and on hosts files against him as well. You fail. Accept it. I think you like it.

    6. Re:Sardaukar86 - a challenge to you... apk by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

      Ooh look, another of APK's imaginary friends who write like him, reason like him and fling poo like him. Gee I wonder who it could be.

      --
      ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
    7. Re:Sardaukar86 - a challenge to you... apk by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

      False (deluded) claim of victory, repeated posting of the APK-fail list, ad hominen attack(s), delusional thinking, paranoid conclusion.

      Nope, couldn't be APK at all.

      --
      ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
    8. Re:Sardaukar86 - a challenge to you... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh no. Sardaukar86 forgot his anti-paranoid meds. We're all apk! If anybody flung poo and had to eat it later, it was you here http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 hahahaha.

    9. Re:Sardaukar86 - a challenge to you... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Math doesn't lie. 242++:1 ratio vs. your fail quoted here http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 does the job nicely. Does not taking your meds affect your ability to understand your own slashdot peers felt quite otherwise as to apk's posts quality? Apparently it does. I know you think we're all apk too, so take your interval of meds already, you're paranoid again.

    10. Re:Sardaukar86 - a challenge to you... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See Sardaukar86 the troll run from a fair challenge hahaha http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42725165

    11. Re:Sardaukar86 - a challenge to you... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's explicit and you run from it http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42725675 you fail again Sardaukar86 but that's just how you roll, most especially after you opened your mouth and apk with his upmod list shut it http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 easily. You really do exemplify the Dunning-Kruger effect with repeated failures vs. apk and you know what they say about those that repeat mistakes expecting different results don't you? They're insane. You prove that much and it's probably why you project constantly on calling others crazy and such. You give away your own issues.

    12. Re:Sardaukar86 - a challenge to you... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      APK didn't fail. You did, outnumbered 242++:1 http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 after you said what you did and apk put up counter evidence from your slashdot fellow posters who upward modded his posts when you said his posting basically sucks. You got your behind handed to you for shooting your mouth off and it was hilarious how simple the technique apk used to do it was.

    13. Re:Sardaukar86 - a challenge to you... apk by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

      I've just looked through some of your standard posts, you know, the ones that routinely get beaten down by other Slashdotters.

      It seems the methods of 'defences' you use elsewhere are just the same this discussion. Your recipe for APK fail goes like this:

      • 1. Repeatedly spew links to your occasional up-moderated post as definitive proof of:
        • - Your inherent correctness and how your detractor is wrong wrong wrong because someone, somewhere, modded up anytime in the last eight years
        • - How you've 'destroyed', 'buried', 'dusted', or otherwise beaten your detractor in the past
        • - Your incomprehension of a simple argument and how your references fail to back you up in any way
      • 2. Maintain lists of 'wins' like an obsessive old grouch, ready to use as feeble ammunition for situations like this one,
      • 3. Spout abuse and call your detractor a bunch of names a thirteen year old would be ashamed of having attributed to themselves,
      • 4. Kick off a bunch of AC sockpuppet postings to make it look like someone agrees with you because you can't handle being humiliated in front of everyone again,
      • 5. Rant a bunch of incoherent nonsense, claim the same about your detractor as they against yourself, claim another victory for APK the nonsensical, the Baron of boast, the Grand Clown of supreme clumsiness.

      This really is the best you can do? It seems so, you pathetic 50 year-old man-child with the reasoning skills of an ADHD kid.

      --
      ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
    14. Re:Sardaukar86 - a challenge to you... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All I had to see was where you did yourself in 242++:1 http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 to see you project your own faults you listed onto others and you had to eat your words Sardaukar86.

    15. Re:Sardaukar86 - a challenge to you... apk by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

      hahahaha, I rebuffed your idiocy many posts ago but you just can't face it, you've just slipped into a butthurt sulk to fling poo from your dark little corner.

      How do I know you are a feeble-minded, mentally-ill manchild incapable of coherently rebutting a logical point?

      Easy! You haven't managed to handle one point yet and I don't hold out much hope for your future, APK.

      --
      ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
    16. Re:Sardaukar86 - a challenge to you... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why're you running away from this http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42725675 ? We know. You toss all those names, are off topic, and did yourself in 242++:1 as the ratio of your fail where you had to eat your words here Sardaukar86 http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 You keep making the same mistakes confronting apk saying his posts suck but he has 100's of upmods to show otherwise. You failed repeatedly against him on hosts files also. Those who repeat their mistakes expecting different results are the ones considered insane you know. You must be nuts.

    17. Re:Sardaukar86 - a challenge to you... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Problem is you can't rebuff your idiocy outnumbered 242++:1 http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 Sardaukar86. How does eating your words taste? Hahahaha

    18. Re:Sardaukar86 - a challenge to you... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How'd yer words taste since ya hadda eat 'em outnumbered 250:1 http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 Sardaukar86? Hahahaha

    19. Re:Sardaukar86 - a challenge to you... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hahaha Sardaukar86 eatin yer words != good nutrition http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 Hahahahahaha

    20. Re:Sardaukar86 - a challenge to you... apk by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

      All I had to see was where you did yourself in 242++:1 http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 to see you project your own faults you listed onto others and you had to eat your words Sardaukar86.

      Hahahahhaa you're obviously playing dumb again APK (not a terribly hard game for you I understand) because you know damn well that your lists are worthless, just like your debating skills.

      Go ahead and claim another victory, retard!

      --
      ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
    21. Re:Sardaukar86 - a challenge to you... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hahaha Sardaukar86's new diet = eating his words http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 flavored of course with the bitter taste of self defeat and his foot in his mouth vs nearly 250 of his slashdot peers. All the name tossing in the world isn't helping the fact you put yourself on that 'diet' Sardaukar86, nobody else. Eatin yer words != good nutrition Sardaukar86. How do they taste? ROTFLMAO!

    22. Re:Sardaukar86 - a challenge to you... apk by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

      Why're you running away from this http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42725675 ? We know. You toss all those names, are off topic, and did yourself in 242++:1 as the ratio of your fail where you had to eat your words here Sardaukar86 http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 You keep making the same mistakes confronting apk saying his posts suck but he has 100's of upmods to show otherwise. You failed repeatedly against him on hosts files also. Those who repeat their mistakes expecting different results are the ones considered insane you know. You must be nuts.

      APK man-child response #5: Rant a bunch of incoherent nonsense, claim the same about your detractor as they against yourself, claim another victory for APK

      If only you weren't too arrogant to see that you are the one behind the repetitive and mindless behaviour. Please feel free to project this on to me, I know you're not terribly sophisticated and don't have many options at your disposal. Truth is, you are the one making the same claim and posting the same shit over and over, so I guess it must be yourself that you're describing.

      So once again you lose, APK, but don't let that stop you from claiming that you 'dusted me' or 'nuked me', because we wouldn't want you having to put your fantasies aside for this little thing called 'reality' now would we?

      --
      ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
    23. Re:Sardaukar86 - a challenge to you... apk by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

      Problem is you can't rebuff your idiocy outnumbered 242++:1 http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 Sardaukar86. How does eating your words taste? Hahahaha

      Post your list again, weirdo, maybe it'll prove your point this time... nah.

      What was that about repetitive behaviour and expecting a different outcome? Oh, no, that doesn't apply to APK because he's too mighty.

      Keep us laughing, you pathetic 50-year-old man-child.

      --
      ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
    24. Re:Sardaukar86 - a challenge to you... apk by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

      How'd yer words taste since ya hadda eat 'em outnumbered 250:1 http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 Sardaukar86? Hahahaha

      No, APK, a nonsensical list of your occasional up-moderations (less than a third making it past +1) does not prove that you are a worthwhile contributor to Slashdot.
      If you had any situational awareness or cognitive abilities beyond a that of a thirteen year old, you'd pull down your silly list, hide it and hope no other Slashdotter ever stumbled across such inanity. How many times does it need to be explained to you before some glimmer of understanding starts to dawn in your twisted little mind? You have failed and failed and failed, then claimed that you've 'gotten the better of me', making you a laughing-stock here for all to see. Blatting on with the same tired and ineffective list just gives you away as the fifty-year-old man-child you are.

      --
      ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
    25. Re:Sardaukar86 - a challenge to you... apk by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

      Hahaha Sardaukar86 eatin yer words != good nutrition http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 Hahahahahaha

      Dream on, you old man-child. You can wish for stuff but it doesn't make it so, haven't you learned that yet by your age? You're just too bloody-minded to understand but there's more than enough brainless fervour still bubbling over for you to keep pretending, keep claiming, keep wishing.

      Fantasies are free I guess, dreamer, so keep imagining your 'win' while the joke goes right over your head. Woosh.

      --
      ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
    26. Re:Sardaukar86 - a challenge to you... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You said apk's posts suck. 250 slashdotters say otherwise in upmods. Eat your words Sardaukar86 http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 . How do they taste?

    27. Re:Sardaukar86 - a challenge to you... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You said apk's posts suck. 250 /.'ers say otherwise in upmods. Eat your words http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 , sardaukar86 and tell us, how do they taste? Must not be good but you uttered 'em. Tossing names like a frustrated little boy isn't helping you, hypocrite.

    28. Re:Sardaukar86 - a challenge to you... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Math doesn't lie. 250 /.'er opinions vs yours proves it. Tossing names isn't helping ya Sardaukar86, ya hypocrite, against your failure here http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 now eat your words flavored with the bitter taste of self defeat, hahahaha, spiced with your foot in your mouth and tell us, how do they taste? ROTFLMAO

  76. TrueCrypt Forums by MyFirstNameIsPaul · · Score: 1

    It irritates me that the TrueCrypt Forums don't allow free email addresses. It ends up being a method to lock out average users from asking for help, as several of my friends have told me. From my perspective, it makes the project look like it's run by a bunch of assholes.

    --

    I once took an excursion to Reddit, and later HN. Unlimited up/down voting sucks when dealing with a hive-mind.

  77. Disprove my points on custom hosts files by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This all stems from your inability to DISPROVE my points on custom hosts files, listed in summation in the link below to my program for them!

    (Custom hosts files benefit users on many levels in added speed, security, reliability, & even anonymity to an extent),

    So, that all said & aside - Disprove the list of points of benefits that custom hosts files can give end users of them, shown here::

    ---

    APK Hosts File Engine 5.0++ 32/64-bit:

    http://www.start64.com/index.php?option=com_content&id=5851:apk-hosts-file-engine-64bit-version&Itemid=74

    ---

    * Yes - It is going to be a PLEASURE watching you "dance" & fail yet again on this note!

    (By you having to "eat your words" flavored with the "bitter taste of SELF-DEFEAT" spiced with your foot in your mouth yet again, by making a fool of your trolling self, yet again by failing to disprove those points listed in the link just above!)

    ---

    That, along with the FACT your "opinion" of my posts being lousy is outmatched by nearly 250 of your /. peers' counter opinions -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491

    Which you can't produce more than those of downmods of my posts?

    ---

    YOU FAIL!

    (You know it, I know it, & anyone with 1/2 a brain knows it... lol!)

    Ah.... lmao, I might as well laugh & watch you repeat your mistakes again & you called ME 'insane'? 1 definition of insanity is repeating the same mistakes over & over expecting different results... your results are shown below!

    APK

    P.S.=> After all - you've FAILED in it 5x before as shown next:

    HOSTS FILES #1 of 5 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2579684&cid=38415774

    HOSTS FILES #2 of 5 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2579684&cid=38415816

    HOSTS FILES #3 of 5 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2579684&cid=38415874

    HOSTS FILES #4 of 5 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2356916&cid=36938204

    HOSTS FILES #5 of 5 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2356916&cid=36938240

    ---

    AND, what did you do?

    You had a profanity spewing 'fit' rather than disprove my technical points on hosts files' benefits to end users of them:

    ---

    Sardaukar86 profanity "FoaMiNg-@-The-MouTh" priceless "ReAcTioN" #1 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2579684&cid=38414922

    Sardaukar86 profanity "FoaMiNg-@-The-MouTh" priceless "ReAcTioN" #2 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2579684&cid=38414888

    Sardaukar86 off-topic illogical failed ad hominem attack attempt -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2579684&cid=38414906

    ---

    Me?

    I merely "call a spade a spade", & "when in rome, I do as the romans do" & speak to them in a language their limited brains understand (since I called him a dolt, quite rightfully after the above, lol):

    http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42705473

    I foun

  78. Re:Sardaukar86's 'greatest-hits' FAIL list vs. mys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Others are impressed Sardaukar86. It's slashdotters opinions there http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 not his. You're clearly dumb or illiterate as well as outnumbered by huge margins by your peers on this website.

  79. Re:Sardaukar86's 'greatest-hits' FAIL list vs. mys by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

    Really? Prove it. You are the one who cannot understand a simple argument. You have failed again to even attempt to address my comments or rebut my points. You have predictably responded with more ad hominen and absolutely nothing new. Obviously your sickness is completely in charge of you.

    Furthermore, amusingly, you've also made a bunch of very clumsy anonymous coward posts to support your own opinion, childishly trying to make it look like you have some support and exactly that which you accuse me of doing. You really take the cake for hypocrisy my very young friend. Face it, APK, you can't take the heat, so you need to get out of the kitchen. You just don't measure up, not even to the very low standards of Slashdot, O duke of the frequent downmod. You are indeed very ill. Your screeds of rant are are worthless use of electrons and as devoid of rational thought as everything else you post.

    You just aren't up to the task of intelligent debate, I pity you. No amount of ranting by way of response will change anything, you have lost this battle. You lose, APK, and the best bit is that you seem genuinely unaware of your own handicaps. The only achievement you have managed is to be even more vilified than our old companion twitter. Congratulations! You lose!

    --
    ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
  80. Re:Sardaukar86's 'greatest-hits' FAIL list vs. mys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Proof enough, slashdot posters put you away easily http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 and I'm not apk, but he surely knocked you for a loop. Get over your obsession with him. You've messed up on that very thing in that link from what I've seen here 3 or more times in more than a year and still you failed, lmao.

  81. Re:Sardaukar86's 'greatest-hits' FAIL list vs. mys by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

    ..you away easily http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 and I'm not apk,

    Yes, you are.

    --
    ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
  82. Re:Sardaukar86's 'greatest-hits' FAIL list vs. mys by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

    Others are impressed Sardaukar86. It's slashdotters opinions there http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 not his. You're clearly dumb or illiterate as well as outnumbered by huge margins by your peers on this website.

    Gosh, you're so clever and devious, posting without signing off, APK. We'll never figure out who said these things!

    --
    ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
  83. Re:Sardaukar86's 'greatest-hits' FAIL list vs. mys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You need to take your meds for your paranoia. He left long ago after burning you so many times (242++:1 in fact here http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 and from what I've seen so far many times on that before in the past year in addition to hosts files too ) that it's not even funny anymore to see you flail against your fail. I am just laughing at you like anyone else reading would be. You're ridiculously easy to get the better of.

  84. Re:Sardaukar86's 'greatest-hits' FAIL list vs. mys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're not clever, that's certain. Not after a 242++:1 ratio vs. your trolling http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 I definitely saw who posted what and you said what you said and apk ate you alive (or rather your peers opinions of his posts by upwards modding apk did). You fail. From what I've seen, not a first from you either. You repeated your mistake on that 3 or 4 times and more on hosts files against apk. Are you addicted to failing against apk in your obsessive stalking of him?

  85. Re:Sardaukar86's 'greatest-hits' FAIL list vs. mys by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

    Hmm, I wonder who this could be, an AC supporting APK's argument by 1] repeating the APK-fail-list again and 2] flinging poo?

    What a challenge for my poor old brain to work out!

    (actually it feels a bit like I'm having a kicking contest with a wheelchair cripple.. not very sporting, which isn't really my nature, but oh well)

    --
    ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
  86. Re:Sardaukar86's 'greatest-hits' FAIL list vs. mys by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

    Ooh look, a pattern! Allow me to enumerate:

    First: an AC supporting APK in the same writing style, check

    You're not clever, that's certain.

    Ad hominem. Roughly translates as "I'm out of my depth, my argument is little more than toilet paper", check. Hmm, I bet we've got the list coming soon, right?

    Not after a 242++:1 ratio vs. your trolling http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491

    Ah yes, there we go. Now, for extra lulz, try explaining how this list on its own proves you to be a worthwhile contribution to Slashdot, Mr. can-only-post-AC APK troll. Are you ever going to get it that a paltry list of barely-worthwhile contributions does not automatically make you a worthwhile contributor? Over two-thirds of your list are also-rans and of little value - face it, most of what you say doesn't even make it over the background noise!

    I definitely saw who posted what and you said what you said and apk ate you alive (or rather your peers opinions of his posts by upwards modding apk did).

    Yup, there's the hyperbolic claim of victory, or at least the first one. We must, surely by now, be in for a little more..

    You fail. From what I've seen, not a first from you either. You repeated your mistake on that 3 or 4 times and more on hosts files against apk. Are you addicted to failing against apk in your obsessive stalking of him?

    ...delusional and paranoid thinking, yep, there we go. Allow me to respond.
    Did I take issue with APK's laughable hosts file cure-all blatherings? Why yes, I probably did. I honestly can't remember, however I rather imagine it is much more likely to be your puerile whining about your (completely justified) modding down that really caught my attention. Why is that a hard concept for you to grasp?
    How can you claim that I am stalking you? I simply replied to your pathetic, snivelling little post demanding an explanation for your well-earned downmoderation. More clear evidence for your mental instability: seeing patterns that aren't really there, such as your host file claim about me. More still: childish egocentricity coupled with paranoia, seeing someone answering their own question as an exercise in stalking.

    I wonder where obvious and goofy attempts to come off as other people in support of your argument fits in here as a valid arguing technique. Hmm, let me think, yeah, that's a sane and reasonable thing to do... right?

    As an aside, I am horrified to have just learned that you are nearly fifty years of age, according to one of your posts. I'm sorry to break into ad hominem here (I was doing so well after all, I'm sure you'll agree) but I find it absolutely stunning that a person of your age is still reasoning and speaking as would a thirteen or fourteen year old child. You sir are a very small and very feeble Mind. I am flabbergasted at the juxtaposition of your utter incompetence alongside your pompous self-importance and boastful, grandiose self-admiration. If I were cursed with your level of reasoning skills I wouldn't be so damn impressed with myself and I sure as hell wouldn't be airing my handicap in public as you do.

    --
    ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
  87. Re:Sardaukar86's 'greatest-hits' FAIL list vs. mys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I see a pattern of your fails against apk http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42721345 now there's a pattern along the lines of the Dunning Krueger effect which you exemplify. Seek professional psychiatric help which you seem to rely on based on your constantly projecting you do by your trollish use of it. You have nothing to admire since apk confronted you on that also. You're a forums troll ne'er do well as he called you rightfully. If anybody is paranoid here it's you since you think everyone is apk. He is long gone after letting you burn yourself with your own words hilariously here http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491