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Are There Any Real Inventors Left?

An anonymous reader writes "The BBC is running a story about invention and innovation, suggesting that there have been no truly new inventions in a long time. 'Consumers are presented with an "invention illusion," which is really little more than a marketing tool to give the impression of "breakthrough" products. This is a difficult cycle to break, particularly with the media's appetite for sensational stories, and it is hampering opportunities for credible companies without sexy stories. It also means that many entrepreneurs are looking for innovation in the wrong places and pursuing new product design ineffectively.' It leads to the question: what are the most recent things you can think of that have been actual, new inventions? Or has the high-tech revolution just been iterative innovation?"

417 comments

  1. Sham-Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    /smug

    1. Re:Sham-Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Geez, they give out mod-points to anybody these days!

      Sham-wow, and cousin micro-fiber cloth are genuine and great inventions.

    2. Re:Sham-Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently, in the entire time I've existed, manufacturers of toothpaste and various detergents (laundry, hand soap, dishwasher, etc) have, each and every year, been able to vastly improve my ability to clean things with completely revolutionary innovation. Why I reckon that by now, cumulatively, I can clean things like my teeth a googabillion times better than when I was 4 yrs old! New cleaning micro beads! Just how far can these innovators take us? It's such an exciting time to be alive!

  2. iterative innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nearly all innovation is iterative. It has always been that way, so I've been told.

    1. Re:iterative innovation by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Indeed. Standing on the shoulders of a giant and all that.

      I think what TFA refers to by "true invention" is a big enough, or sudden enough iterative innovation.

      In this day and age, all scientists and innovators talk to each other all the time, and are aware of each other's work. There is no guy working for years in secrecy in his shed anymore. Hence the perceived - but false - lack of "true invention".

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      "A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
    2. Re:iterative innovation by Dunbal · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think what TFA refers to by "true invention" is a big enough, or sudden enough iterative innovation.

      And I think it just shows a complete lack of knowledge on behalf of the writer, since there are many industries full of completely new inventions - from pharmaceutical research to medicine to the defense industry. Some of these have broken new ground. Of course since they are also highly specialized areas, you won't know about them unless you're in the field(s). But just because no one has invented the light sabre doesn't mean invention isn't happening.

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      Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
    3. Re:iterative innovation by RevWaldo · · Score: 2

      True that. Even the incandescent light bulb was an idea that had been floating around for some time; Edison's credit was making a practical version, mainly through brute force trial and error with a team of assistants.

      .

    4. Re:iterative innovation by RoboJ1M · · Score: 3, Insightful

      True.

      But I saw a programme on the BBC called geniuses of invention.
      It was about the geniuses that gave us the power station, and mighty minds they were, making incredible metal leaps off of the knowledge of the day.
      So even Watt and Faraday built on the work of others.

      Then it cuts to today, the Drax Power Station. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drax_power_station

      Where, in 2013, we BURN COAL TO DRIVE A STEAM ENGINE.

      I know I'm being facetious but it seems a shame that nearly 200 years later we haven't really moved on at all.
      It's probably down to the fact that we've needed a 100 years of work first in chemistry, physics and materials science before we can even consider moving beyond burning stuff.

      Our large power generation is still based off of Newton's world, not, erm, Planck, Einstein, Bohr, Heisenberg, Born, Jordan, Pauli, Fermi, Schrodinger, Dirac, de Broglie and Bose's.

      We tried fission, that's not working out too well.
      The French have dug a big hole: http://stream.iter.org/cs-webcam1.swf
      Soon they will shovel some fusion into it.

    5. Re:iterative innovation by RadioElectric · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think what is frequently seen as a "breakthrough invention" is actually judged from an instrumental perspective. Does the thing you've created either satisfy a recognised need (frequently these "inventions" are called "discoveries"), or does it create a new need (for example, that for instantaneous voice communication over long distances)? I think one of the driving factors is that in the rich parts of the developed western world there aren't many long-standing needs left to be met. New things have come along but they require more separate people and technologies involved to make them work. The ability to be continuously connected to an all-pervading mobile internet service is, I think, the latest of these invented "needs".

    6. Re:iterative innovation by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      Not working out to well?
      That fission seems to be powering my computer just fine. What part of it is not working out?

      If you want to say there have been problems, that is true, but for the most part it works out. Coal mining kills far more. Not to even mention the toxic pools the coal plants have to store their waste. That stuff stays toxic forever by the way.

    7. Re:iterative innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I'm a programmer who has been literally working in my shed for the last two and a half years on a new form of social networking protocol, which I believe is very innovative.

    8. Re:iterative innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is that we know too much. Over time, most iterative middle steps are forgotten and only some selected achievements are remembered. These will become the breakthrough inventions of the early 21-st century, but it takes some time and one cannot tell now which exact steps happen to be remembered.

    9. Re:iterative innovation by samkass · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Seriously, the processor powering the computer most are using to read the statement about the lack of invention is the result of dozens of fundamental discoveries and inventions over the last decade.

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      E pluribus unum
    10. Re:iterative innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Fusion still plans to drive steam turbines on any practical scale so far. The complain that something is bad or needs to be replaced because it is old is pretty meaningless... Complaints should be about and problems or inefficiencies an invention has, which is true that steam turbines could be made more efficient, but not so obvious that there are simple, practical replaces for those situations and scales. Otherwise, might was well complain we still use wheels everywhere.

    11. Re:iterative innovation by GameboyRMH · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Those little, academic inventions are what the author is calling "not real invension." He wants the good ol' days back when an inventor pulled back the tarp over the first powered airplane or horseless carriage and wowed everyone with something completely new. But he's not getting them back, because:

      1. Diminishing returns, part of the "standing on the shoulders of giants" effect: As time goes on, invention requires more advanced equipment, more investment, more education. The Wright Brothers could put together everything they needed to build their powered aircraft* in a bicycle shop from materials that could mostly be bought at a hardware store and the equivalent of maybe BSc-level education at most, with the equivalent of what today would be considered an upper-middle class hobby budget. These days you need supercomputers, research hospitals, giant particle colliders, a very solid PhD-level education and many millions of dollars as a bare minimum to push the boundaries.

      2. IP laws: They've turned the world of invention from a Wild West frontier to an Orwellian police state within the last century. Act surprised everyone.

      *I know, they were not really the first.

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      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    12. Re:iterative innovation by tilante · · Score: 1

      Don't forget - solar and wind power are moving up. Wind generates 10% or more of the electricity in five US states now (http://www.earth-policy.org/data_highlights/2012/highlights27), and the amount of power being generated by wind worldwide grew by 20% from 2010 to 2011 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_by_country). Solar power usage is also growing quickly, with world solar production increasing by 75% from 2010 to 2011. (And the photoelectric effect is not from 'Newton's World'.) Granted, they've both been around at a low scale for a long time, but it's recent inventions that are causing them to now be useful on a large scale.

      Part of it is the effect of living through something. It's easy to imagine the difference in pre-electricity and post-electricity cities... but remember, even in developed countries, it took decades to get electricity everywhere (The first commercial power plant in the US was established in 1882 - but it wasn't until 1917 that the first long-distance high-voltage transmission line was put into service). Indeed, it's estimated that 25% of the world's population still doesn't have access to electrical power. Solar and wind are helping to change that, since they can operate on a small scale much more effectively than nuclear, coal, or natural gas generation. We're now living through the rise of solar and wind power - and it will probably take decades, just like the rise of coal power plants did.

    13. Re:iterative innovation by Nutria · · Score: 5, Insightful

      BURN COAL TO DRIVE A STEAM ENGINE. ... nearly 200 years later we haven't really moved on at all.

      The problem is that heat-steam-rotation-electricity is the easiest, most efficient industrializable method of doing the necessary work in places where there aren't rivers that can be dammed.

      We've run up against physical and practical realities, and so have settled for "good enough". Every field eventually reaches a plateau; after a time of rapid advancement, boundaries are hit that can't be breached either at all or without expense that we aren't willing to bear.

      Commercial aviation is a great example: sure we *can* fly beyond Mach 1, the Concorde proved that. But where's the Concorde now? Why didn't it conquer the world? Because it's too expensive to push those molecules out of the way. The cruising speeds we hit 45 years ago are good enough.

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      "I don't know, therefore Aliens" Wafflebox1
    14. Re:iterative innovation by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 1

      I agree. I think part of the problem is the lack of exposition for the sake of inspiring the public. Most of the current expositions are marketing fairs that only show off products that investors hope will have mass appeal and not necessarily ground breaking inventions. Since truly ground breaking or inspirational inventions may not do well at your local electronic retailer, this means most of the public's attention is focused solely on consumer items.

      The world's fair use to played a role during the beginning of the industrial age. When its focus changed to being a cultural exchange around 1939, it has devolved into a traveling Disney Epcot theme park.

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    15. Re:iterative innovation by gbjbaanb · · Score: 2

      most of those inventions are based heavily on work that has gone before them.

      You could say the discovery of DNA is a breakthrough invention, but I'd say it was simply made at the right time - when some other processes and technologies were improved to the point where it became possible.

      Think about the greatest revolution in our entire history. One person thought to squirt a bit of cold water into a chamber full of steam to create a vacuum that could "pull" a beam into it, allowing the other end of the beam to pump water. Revolutionised mining and made a lot of money but was very inefficient, then someone else thought to split the boiling steam bit and the condensing bit into 2 so that the efficiency would improve dramatically and things improved that the engine would be used for lots more work, then someone else thought to put the steam part and the boiler together with a pipe through the middle to increase the heat surface area and suddenly efficiency improved enough to allow these steam engines to be mobile.

      In all the cases they really just improved what was basically a water tank with a fire under it, but each "revolution" - the Newcomen atmospheric engine, the Watt condenser, the Trevithick high pressure engine each made the Industrial Revolution happen. And as each of these happened, other areas in iron manufacture improved too - the high-pressure engine couldn't have been possible when they first began - the high pressure engine needed better materials which probably wouldn't have existed unless steam engines existed first that needed better safety tanks.

      So all in all, everything builds on something else, there isn't much that is truly new in the world.

    16. Re:iterative innovation by schlachter · · Score: 1

      I think we've had our share of big breakthroughs...

      smart phone
      internet
      OLED
      GPS
      Social Media
      Autonomous car
      speech recognition (w/ 99%+ accuracy)
      automatic language translation

      etc...

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      My God can beat up your God. Just kidding...don't take offense. I know there's no God.
    17. Re:iterative innovation by gr8_phk · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Seriously, the processor powering the computer most are using to read the statement about the lack of invention is the result of dozens of fundamental discoveries and inventions over the last decade.

      No. No they're not. And that's what the author means. The transistor was a fundamental invention. Photo lithography for printing transistors was a fairly fundamental improvement on the transistor. Now I agree that there are lots of things needed to continue shrinking circuits. Dual patterning, tri-gate, materials improvements. And there are processor design improvements as well, some of them kinda fancy. But this is ALL incremental improvement on the integrated circuit which is over 40 years old now.

      We had bulletin boards on 8-bit processors using 1200 baud modems in the 1980s. Slashdot is nothing more than a fancy HTML BBS. Where is the "fundamental" change?

    18. Re:iterative innovation by RoboJ1M · · Score: 2, Informative

      You misunderstand, my bad.

      By not doing too well I mean:

      1) We're still burning fossil fuels. Period. Not cracking atoms and persuing renewables.
      2) Decades of stagnation in development and deployment
      3) Plagued by NIMBYs and doom mongers.

      Not to mention the climate sceptics saying coal's fine and the enviromentalits demanding we all run off of a few wind mills and... coal until we build more wind mills?? Eh?

      Bunch of idiots.
      Bulldoze the lot, build nuke plants until fusion is ready.
      It's the only way to be sure.

      My money for long term sustainability is on:

      ITER: http://www.iter.org/
      Desertec: http://www.desertec.org/
      Pelamis: http://www.pelamiswave.com/#5 (Oh look an inventor!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Yemm)

      Richard Yemm is the British inventor of the Pelamis Wave Energy Converter and director of Pelamis Wave Power, a company he founded in Edinburgh in 1998.

      He spend years in a small (very big) shed (wave tank) developing a practical spin on the work of another incredible inventor
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Salter
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salter's_duck

      And Salter's duck was invented in 1974 as a result of the 1973 oil crisis.
      So why aren't island nations now powered by the waves? It is after all 40 years later.
      Because funding was cut off in the 80s after the oil prices came back down.
      And becasue the british government employ ACTUAL PSYCHIC WITCHES they knew in the early 80s that there would never again be a shortage of cheap plentiful energy in the UK!!

      Congratulations lads (and lass).

      And that ladies and gentlemen, is why you don't drive a fission powered hover duck.

      Er..

    19. Re:iterative innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Both airplanes and cars are just improved versions of what you can do with legs and boats. Very much improved, true, but if the stuff in my computer doesn't count as real inventions, certainly neither do cars or planes.

    20. Re:iterative innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because, well, light bulbs? One day they invented them, and the next day, everyone had wiring in their houses and AC transmission lines and suddenly we all had light? Oh hang on, that took MANY years... Uh, well, I guess they had the telephone then, which was everywhere the next day too... oh, hang, it wasn't. Aviation? No, the wright brothers didn't invent the jumbo jet. Apparently, all that innovation took many years.

      There were no sudden inventions that took off back then either. It all took time, but now, a hundred years later, we only recognize the moment of inception. Like an invention was suddenly brought forward to universal completion, rather than being a series of small improvements and adoption over time.

      Stuff like the first home computer, or perhaps mobile telephone with data? Or the Internet? Bottles that fill themselves with water? High efficiency solar panels? All inventions take time, but it will be a hundred years before anyone will truly be able to look back and pick on one of them as a turning point.

      And in a hundred years, someone will probably say all the best inventions came a century ago... Back when the Internet created a new society with a better global consciousness... And that nothing new seems to be coming in their time... Same short sightedness as the writer of the article.

    21. Re:iterative innovation by Zelos · · Score: 2

      They're actually converting Drax to burn wood instead of coal. We're going backwards!

      http://www.draxgroup.plc.uk/biomass/

    22. Re:iterative innovation by emj · · Score: 1, Interesting

      We had bulletin boards on 8-bit processors using 1200 baud modems in the 1980s. Slashdot is nothing more than a fancy HTML BBS. Where is the "fundamental" change?

      We have been able to do that with radio for a long time as well, with your reasoning there is not "fundamental" difference there either. BBS:es and Slashdot are not the same at all, they are different in many social and technical aspects.

    23. Re:iterative innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Almost every major invention ever has been created by several people around the world at almost the same time, even if they didn't have communications with each other.

      What is a "break through" invention is just an obvious use of modern technologies and techniques to someone in the field.

      Very rarely is a single person/group so special they they alone would be able to come up with the ideas well ahead of any other person(s).

    24. Re:iterative innovation by Zorpheus · · Score: 0

      Yes, this article is stupid.
      On one side it acknowledges that the smartphones are a big invention all in all, but on the other side it neglects it as big because the components of it have been around before. But it does not recognize the relevance of the development of the components, and it fails to see that the old big inventions were also made of existing components.
      My opinion is that life-changing inventions are happening at a pretty high pace. Computers, the internet, mobile phones, social networks, how warfare is changing, all the advances in medicine and so on.

    25. Re:iterative innovation by emj · · Score: 1

      Even the incandescent light bulb [was inovated] mainly through brute force trial and error with a team of assistants.

      You mean research?

    26. Re:iterative innovation by j00r0m4nc3r · · Score: 1

      As time goes on, invention requires more advanced equipment, more investment, more education.

      Not necessarily. It might just require a brilliant momentary insight or epiphany, or even just lateral thinking. Humans can only imagine things that are composed of other things they have already experienced, but that set of experiences is so vast that finding the right combination of ideas that leads to a useful new invention/discovery is extremely rare. However, really it's within reach of just about anyone whose brain happens to think about the right thing at the right time. I guess it sorta depends on what you consider an invention. I can glue some shit together and "invent" something that nobody has ever seen before, so it's technically an invention, but probably has no real usefulness to anyone.

    27. Re:iterative innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But this is ALL incremental improvement on the integrated circuit which is over 40 years old now.

      Sure, if you read a history textbook you might find something truly innovative every chapter or so, but it is a lot quicker to read a chapter than to live it. How many of the "true" inventions of the past were less than 40 years apart?

    28. Re:iterative innovation by uradu · · Score: 2

      To put it another way, as time goes on we're running out of simple ways of arranging magnets in novel configurations to create some new machines never before seen, or variations on this metaphor. To create truly new things requires orders of magnitude more work and knowledge.Look at battery technology, where the most groundbreaking improvement of the last century has been the Li-Ion battery, and that's no panacea either. Or how about the PEM fuel cell, potentially the holy grail of electric power generation? Scientists have been tinkering for decades to come up with a better and more eficient membrane and cheaper catalysts, and considering the potential payoff yet still no revolutionary break-throughs this has to be considered seriously difficult stuff. Oh, and how about flat screen TVs? The stuff of science fiction for over a century they are finally here, common and cheap and almost mundane, and they replaced the CRT faster than anybody could have predicted, in a few short years. Yet nobody is blown away by them because they weren't suddenly revealed at some big event with pomp and circumstance. We witnessed their excruciatingly slow gestation from the crappy LCD watches of the early 80s to the passive monochrome LCDs of the first generations of laptops to the much, much better active matrix LCDs to the first ridiculously expensive TV sets, to finally today's $200 Walmart special. After over thirty years of familiarity they're just not that flash anymore. Yet if you brought someone from the 60s here today (s)he'd be mesmerized by this miraculous new technology.

    29. Re:iterative innovation by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      The only big breakthroughs there are GPS and the Internet. Everything else was a slow build-up or slight variation of an existing technology that didn't make a big, sudden difference...and I don't think social media belongs on that list.

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      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    30. Re:iterative innovation by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      I don't think flat screens are a huge deal, they're just thinner screens...if they were revealed at once as a nicely finished and affordable product, would it be so different?

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      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    31. Re:iterative innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      1. I can realize where you're coming from, but the average person can get hardware people couldn't have dreamed of even 20 years ago. You can go out and if you have the right knowledge & drive build a pretty hefty supercomputer on a car budget. CNC, Milling & Prototyping equipment is expensive, but within reach of the general person. Advanced CAD design software (mechanical, physics, etc) only costs in the neighborhood of $2k - $5k. If anything I think laws/regulations are the bigger threat to innovation. You can buy all of the equipment to build your experimental rocket engine design, but try buying the fuel to put in it or goodness forbid do a test firing and you could very well have a half dozen three letter agencies descending on you. Try to buy the medical equipment & supplies to test out your idea of a new skin graft tech idea and you'll run into dozens of restrictions on who can purchase those items, alongside of having MORE three letter agencies descend on you. You're probably not going to redefine particle physics in your garage, but there are plenty of more areas where private inventors can contribute to society. The 3D printer scene is a pretty good example, I think it has advanced more in the last 5 years than it has in the last 25 due to home inventors & innovators. Satellite launching had remained pretty static and extremely costly for decades, now thanks to private (though extremely rich) individuals the prices are dropping drastically. Though on that front it is not a technical innovation but an innovation in how it is done.

      2. I completely agree with you on this.

    32. Re:iterative innovation by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 1

      Not all of them are glorified kettle boilers.

      This one : Focus Fusion has a reactor design that has a combination of magnetically decelerating helium ions and gamma-photovoltaic collection as the primary energy collection modes.

      And a design reactor size that is more on the order of magnitude of "shipping container" than "aircraft carrier".

      It's perhaps more ambitious (in terms of the physics) than ITER - but I think it's probably less ambitious in terms of general engineering problems, like how to breed enough tritium, etc.

    33. Re:iterative innovation by rasmusbr · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I think that's probably true. I'm even prepared to argue that there are only two ways by which humans can invent stuff:

      1. By taking two existing and things or ideas and combining them using a limited set of preexisting 'combination operators' and then observing the result in reality or in a thought experiment. More formally: thing_a operator_x thing_b = result. This can then be done iteratively or recursively until we reach a desirable result or give up, for example like this:

      thing_a operator_y thing_b = result_2
      thing_a operator_z thing_b = result_3
      thing_a operator_x thing_c = result_4
      thing_a operator_x thing_d = result_5 Hmm... Interesting!
      result_5 operator_x thing_b = result_6
      result_5 operator_y thing_b = result_7

      And so on until we give up.

      An unusually revolutionary invention would be one where we've ventured deep down in this maze of possibilities and stumbled on something useful.

      Once we've come up with an interesting idea by this process it seems that we have a desire to invent a story (for ourselves as much as for others) about how we cleverly deduced our way from an unambiguous and tractable problem formulation to the finished invention by a straight line of clinical top-down deductive logic. I don't buy those stories. Real life problems rarely if ever lend themselves to that sort of thinking.

      2. By observing the results of accidents. Sometimes it seems nature does the tinkering for us.

      I suspect that the real magic and mystery of invention lies in the process that the brain uses to recognize a desirable result when it sees one.

    34. Re:iterative innovation by MojoRilla · · Score: 1

      Innovation requires more advanced equipment, more investment, and more education?

      Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Mark Zuckerberg, and many others would beg to disagree.

    35. Re:iterative innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As the parent AC you replied to, I was aware of focus fusion. While I wish them the best of luck because such the outcome of such a design would be so much better than other designs and near ideal... I don't have much expectation that it will actually work, at least one a time scale before ITER and more mainstream fusion concepts. That design has its own laundry list of problems, some of which are more fundamental than the engineering challenges faced by other designs, and some of which the proponents don't want to acknowledge (even when I asked them about it directly at conferences). I would like to be proven wrong on some of that stuff or for ways to be found around it, even if done by just a final machine with no explanation, although a written accounting addressing criticism beforehand would get that design a lot more support from the rest of the fusion community.

    36. Re:iterative innovation by Software+Geek · · Score: 1

      The wright brothers are a good example of iterative invention. They were not the first people to say "You know what would be cool? A flying machine!" That idea was not new. They were the first to make a working prototype. Most of the Wright brothers airplane was just an incremental development on bicycle technology, which was an incremental development on sewing machine technology, which was an incremental development on fire arms technology. They spent about a decade iteratively developing their wings and propellers, alternating between theory, wind tunnel, and working prototypes. With each iteration, they incrementally developed a more practical understanding of bernoulli's principal. The result of all this iteration was the wing and propeller shapes that we know today.

      But no one was paying any attention to their decade of iterative work. So when they announced it, the popular conception of a flying machine went from science fiction to reality overnight.

      Compare that to today. How many things in your life would have been considered science fiction twenty years ago? Just to name a few: The internet, tablet computers, hybrid cars, drones. I can't see how anyone could say we have stopped making big new inventions. Perhaps we have stopped ignoring the incremental steps that lead to any big new invention.

    37. Re:iterative innovation by afeeney · · Score: 1

      I'd say many of these these are largely market breakthroughs, the application of an existing technology to a new market. If anything, with the exception of the Internet, these demonstrate the article's point.

      1. Smart phone. Internet delivered via cell phone, both pre-existing.

      2. Internet. Definitely a breakthrough.

      3. OLED. Application of organic semiconductors to lighting. (On the other hand, the discovery and development of semiconductors is a genuine breakthrough.)

      4. GPS. Application of mapping software to cell tower location detection tools. (Location detection tools are breakthroughs, though.)

      5. Social media. Offspring of the Internet.

      6. Autonomous car. Application of automation, GPS, sensors, etc. to cars.

      7. Speech recognition. Computerized version of break audio into components, looking them up in a translation table, and report results.

      8. Automatic language translation. Computerized version of looking something up in a translation table and reporting results.

    38. Re:iterative innovation by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      Maybe not, but whatever the heck it is, it has changed more lives than OLEDs.

    39. Re:iterative innovation by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2

      The first two were highly educated (or had access to people who were) and put in a lot of investment. They were also in the right place at the right time to grab "low-hanging fruit:" make home computers cheap and easy, receive cash. Jobs later did this again with smartphones, except he didn't do any cost reduction or innovation on the hardware side that time.

      The third is simply an extremely lucky villain whose closest relationship to innovation is starting a company that eventually came out with some innovative ideas and software for improving data center efficiency as a byproduct. Totally worth the commercialization of human relationships and destruction of privacy right?

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      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    40. Re:iterative innovation by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      The military had been flying drones around for a while 20 years ago, hybrid cars were around in the early 1900s but the battery capacity wasn't there, tablets are just smaller computers with touchscreens, which had been around in some form since the '80s. No more sci-fi than a smartphone which is a small computer with a phone in it.

      You could argue that the miniaturization of computers in general is a major breakthrough.

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      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    41. Re:iterative innovation by jemenake · · Score: 2

      I think one of the driving factors is that in the rich parts of the developed western world there aren't many long-standing needs left to be met.

      I was thinking exactly the same thing. The wheel? That's an invention. The light-bulb? That's an invention. Spray-cheese? The Snuggie? Maybe not so much.

      Also, as others have mentioned, invention is iterative. Back in the caveman days, when the number of steps from raw-material to finished product was very low (ie, start with rock, make it round, now you have a wheel), the steps looked very large. Today, because things are so technical and rely on so many steps, the last "inventive" step of combining existing pieces of tech doesn't seem like a big jump. For example, capacitive touchscreens. Before we could make those, we had to know about see-through conductive and electrolytic polymers... have the industrial processes to make them in thin sheets... we needed LCD displays... which needed polarizing filters... etc. It's still just as much of an invention for a dude to look around at the tech he has available and figure out how to apply it in a different way. Just watch a few episodes of James Burke's "Connections".

      And, a lot of times, "inventorship" just goes to the dude that overcame some deal-killing obstacle. James Watt didn't "invent" the steam-engine; he figured out how to make the existing Newcomen engine more efficient and powerful by using a separate condenser.

    42. Re:iterative innovation by Zorpheus · · Score: 1

      Not sure if the transistor was seen as the big breakthrough that it was, 10 years after it was developed. They ware expensive, and not nearly as small as today. Tubes were still in use for a some time.

    43. Re:iterative innovation by harrkev · · Score: 2

      To me, one of the greatest "inventions" is the original Leatherman Super Tool and all of its children.

      If you stop to think about it, the original 1911 pistol (adopted by the military in 1911) is more complex and demanding to produce than a multi-tool. If you think about it, the design of the original Super Tool is rather obvious, once you look at it. There is absolutely no technical reason that US solders could not have carried something equivalent to the Leatherman Wave back in World War I. However, nothing like that existed until Tim Leatherman made the first one back in 1980.

      Most technology "evolves' once the time is right. After the invention of the transistor, everything electronic since then could not have been invented much sooner, because tech builds on earlier tech. The Leatherman Super Tool is the best example that I can think of as an example of an invention that COULD have come much sooner, but did not.

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    44. Re:iterative innovation by schnell · · Score: 1

      GPS. Application of mapping software to cell tower location detection tools.

      GPS has nothing to do with cell towers, it runs off satellites and a receiver that computes its location in two dimensions (or three, depending on how many GPS satellites you are receiving a signal from). I would strongly argue that a truly global capability to find one's location to within a meter using a handheld device is a fundamental innovation, even though terrestrial location systems like LORAN were around for a while before that.

      What you're referring to BTW is generally called cellular LBS (Location-Based Services) using CELL-ID technology. It evolved well post-GPS, which was originally developed by the US Military for its own use. The funny thing about GPS and CELL-ID in cell phones is that it wasn't originally built in because mobile phone makers thought it would enable amazing new services... it was done (at least in the US) to comply with regulations about 911 services so that the carrier would know where you are so that if you dial 911, it is routed to your local 911 center which was traditionally mapped to land lines in the appropriate region.

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    45. Re:iterative innovation by jackbird · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Memristors, Graphene, Carbon Nanotubes, nanoscale 3D printing, DNA sequencing, and many, many more...

    46. Re:iterative innovation by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      OMG, we haven't had a once-a-millenium invention in the last fifty years!

      The invention of the transistor was a paradigm shift (although I doubt anyone realized it at the time). Those don't happen all the time, nor do they usually happen all at once. First we had vacuum tubes, then crappy transistors, then not so crappy transistors, then ICs, then decent ICs... THEN they started to really change the world.

      All those other things you mentioned are real, genuine inventions. Just because you can't look back on them in hindsight and label them "fundamental" doesn't change that.

    47. Re:iterative innovation by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      The Leatherman tool is really an improved Swiss Army knife with the major tool being the pliers rather than the knife. The Swiss Army knife was first created in the late 1890's.

      Originating in Ibach, Switzerland, the Swiss Army knife was first produced in 1891 after the company Karl Elsener, which later became Victorinox, won the contract to produce the Swiss Army's Modell 1890 knife from the previous German manufacturer.

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    48. Re:iterative innovation by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Thomas Edison didn't invent the light bulb. He invented the first practical one that lasted a long time and didn't stink up your house. Was this "just" an incremental improvement?

      Thomas Edison didn't invent pictures or motion pictures. Those things existed in a mechanical flipbook sort of way. Was his work just incremental?

      People had fire. Was his cigar lighter just incremental?

      By this odd standard, I suppose only the phonograph was a real invention.

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    49. Re:iterative innovation by harrkev · · Score: 1

      The operation of a modern multi-tool is NOTHING like a swiss army knife. If a SAK has pliers, they are small and have little leverage. A SAK is pliers-in-the-knife. A multi-tool is knife-in-the-pliers. Having owned both, once I touched my first Leatherman, I have never carried a SAK.

      Really, the ONLY advantage of a SAK is that it has a corkscrew, which is necessary if you happen to be swiss ;-D

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    50. Re:iterative innovation by sunderland56 · · Score: 1

      Thomas Edison didn't invent pictures.

      No, he didn't. Photography existed in the 1820's; Edison was born in 1847. There could easily exist baby pictures of Edison.

    51. Re:iterative innovation by Barsteward · · Score: 2

      "Many years later, in 2007, Steve Jobs introduced us to the iPhone. Despite all the hype though, the iPhone was not a new invention - it was just a much better telephone than any we'd seen before."

      "What Apple achieved with the first iPhone was truly groundbreaking, but it was the result of very clever innovation, with existing technologies applied in new ways. It was not a new invention."

      He doesn;t seem to say here that its a new invention, just a better version of an old invention using existing components

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    52. Re:iterative innovation by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Internet was just incremental over already-existing networks.

      GPS was same over existing Earth-based things like LORAN for ships.

      The closest new invention would be the Segway tech, built by the same company for stairs-climbing wheelchairs.

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    53. Re:iterative innovation by Khyber · · Score: 2

      No, as you could make a BBS be very similar to slashdot. You just had to do all the updating yourself, by hand. Oh, and we had other things slashdot doesn't have, like games, and an actual chat system, and mailboxes, and lots of ascii pron to download.

      Slashdot is really a trimmed-down version of a BBS, that requires MORE resources.

      Source: Owner/Operator of Nucleus BBS both in Texas and Memphis, TN, when I resided in those states.

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    54. Re:iterative innovation by heroid1a · · Score: 1

      He didn't invent the first practical one either ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Swan He was rather good at PR though, that I will give him!

    55. Re:iterative innovation by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      Agreed, GPS is a serious breakthrough. I can locate myself anywhere on the planet with an appropriate receiver for free, forever??? yes please! They are also FANTASTIC examples of dealing with 'real world' relativity.

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    56. Re:iterative innovation by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      Every single one of those people had significant financial backing from family and friends, far more then the average person.

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    57. Re:iterative innovation by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      The big moment for the Internet was when Average Joes could buy access.

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    58. Re:iterative innovation by phantomfive · · Score: 0

      And the light bulb wasn't an invention, it was just a new way to light up the room, right? Cars weren't new inventions, they were just new ways to get around, is that what you are saying? A cell phone is just a fancy radio. Transistors are just an incremental improvement on vacuum tubes, using different materials.

      Some of the improvements to integrated circuits over the last 30 years are just as impressive as the original transistor, but because they were created by engineers in a corporate environment, and because they are hard to understand, people don't consider them 'inventions.' Inventors are still around, but we have a new name for them: engineer.

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    59. Re:iterative innovation by An+dochasac · · Score: 1

      How about a "light bulb moment", there are many parallels between Thomas Edison's 1879 refinement of a carbon filament electric light patented by Canadians Henry Woodward and Mathew Evans in 1874. And this was by no means the first carbon based electric light, Humphrey Davy had produced a working carbon arc light in 1807 and if we talk about electric arc lights, the mercury arc fluorescent light, predecessor to modern compact fluorescent (CF) lights was demonstrated by AE Becquerel in 1867 and so on back to kerosene, whale oil and prehistoric vegetable oil lamps.

      "Light bulb" moment is a myth which is marketed in a land that wants us to believe that we are all self-reliant individuals and that we don't need to look to the past or stand on the shoulders of giants. James Burke's Connections presents this more accurate view of technological history that we should be teaching our children.

    60. Re:iterative innovation by Chris+Burke · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The transistor was a fundamental invention.

      No, the transistor was just an incremental improvement of the VCCS/amplifier, which before was implemented as a vacuum tube. It took many incremental improvements on top of that first transistor before it got so much better than the vacuum tube that you could call it fundamentally superior to the old technology. But it was still an implementation of the same fundamental concept.

      I mean if you're not going to accept using interference to allow the etching of features on a chip smaller than the wavelength of light used to etch them because it's just "photo lithography", or the switch from plasma etching to additive patterning to allow copper interconnect because it's just "materials improvements", or any of the other improvements in manufacturing regardless of how much invention was involved because it's all just "integrated circuits", then I'm sure as hell not going to give you your "voltage-controlled current source" just because you're aware of it being a big deal.

      But I think your post really does reveal why we have this perception. People judge invention based on *function*, not the innovation that went into making it work. A turbo-charger is just a thing that makes your car work slightly better. It's still just a car. My computer is 20,000 times faster than the one I had 20 years ago, and of course it took ridiculous amounts of completely new technology to make it, but it's still just a computer (just like pre-transistor computers were computers, btw).

      Which I guess is fair. It's just a weird tack to take when something like a cell phone is considered an invention even though it was really just the coordinated application of well-established technology, while seemingly "incremental" improvements in the power of that cell phone are due to fundamental improvements in the underlying technology.

      So I guess that's it -- the reason there's less "invention" today is because it's harder to come up with new stuff to do. We already have machines that move us around rapidly on the ground or in the air. We already have machines that do math and send communications globally. We have machines that heat and cool the air. We have machines that do a crazy amount of different "things", and the only way to "invent" is to invent a new "thing".

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    61. Re:iterative innovation by Darth+Snowshoe · · Score: 1

      This. Spintronics. Room temperature solid-state masers. Quantum teleportation. The Viterbi algorithm. Compressive sensing. Oh, hey, the internet.

      Most fundamental inventions are not themselves consumer products - that's part of the issue here. The other part is just ignorance. This is horrible due diligence for a reporter.

    62. Re:iterative innovation by Darth+Snowshoe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is pretty squarely in "no true Scotsman" territory.

    63. Re:iterative innovation by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      It was about the geniuses that gave us the power station, and mighty minds they were, making incredible metal leaps off of the knowledge of the day. So even Watt and Faraday built on the work of others.

      Then it cuts to today, the Drax Power Station. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drax_power_station

      Where, in 2013, we BURN COAL TO DRIVE A STEAM ENGINE. I know I'm being facetious but it seems a shame that nearly 200 years later we haven't really moved on at all.

      Somebody who thinks we "haven't moved on at all" in 200 years could be being facetious, or they could be ignorant of power plant and steam generation technology, or they could be just plain ignorant.
       
      Seriously, while basic principles of operation may be the same, that plant no more resembles the steam engines of 200 years than the 787 resembles the Wright Flyer or my 2008 minivan resembles a Model T. It's different in practically every detail.

    64. Re:iterative innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Basic radio navigation has been around since WWII. GPS is a satelite based version of radio nativigation, which is funny considering they are expanding the "GPS" system now in various areas with new land based radio towers that do exactly the same thing as the satelites, bu are more accurate and easier to service than the ones in orbit.

      The internet was built off the phone system which in turn was built on the telegraph system which was built in 1838, which is nothing more than the electronic version of message services that have been done by people and animals for thousands of years.

      "There are no new ideas".....Audre Lorde 1934-1991. Even that idea is over 50 years old.

    65. Re:iterative innovation by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2

      No, as you could make a BBS be very similar to slashdot.

      Except for the part where you have links to data stored on other servers. Thousands of other servers (back in the late 80s), with more aggregate data than you could ever hope to store on your one computer, and more users than you could ever hope to connect through your (if you were lucky) bank of modems.

      The comparison isn't between /. and a BBS. It's between the Internet and a BBS. The idea that the Internet, globally connected network, is the same as BBSes, is ludicrously stretching the idea of "same" to "involves computers and communication of some kind".

      Source: Co-Operator (not owner) of the Paradigm Shift BBS in Kalamazoo, MI. Which we all abandoned INSTANTLY as soon as we got internet connections because the difference was so stark and obvious.

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    66. Re:iterative innovation by jbo5112 · · Score: 1

      You have to give 64-bit x86 some credit. Intel decided it couldn't be done successfully, and developed IA-64. If Intel said it couldn't be done, I would consider it a breakthrough. Next up is helium filled hard drives, for lower drag, less power, more platters and more storage. The idea has been around for some time, but helium is notoriously hard to contain (e.g. balloons deflating). To compound the problem, hard drives are made on razor thin margins, severely limiting the price of any solution. There's supposed to be some product announcements this year, if not actual drives.

      By comparison, Edison's light bulb "invention" just used a different filament material and better vacuum than competitors, with the basic device demonstrated more than 40 years before Edison. The "fundamental invention" of the transistor was based on a combination of advances in radar semiconductors and knowledge of crystal radios. It was built to be a better replacement for the vacuum tube, not anything fundamentally new, and vacuum tubes were used to replace the function of mechanical relays in early computers.

      Slashdot has high quality video (at least VCR quality) and connection to off site resources. The fundamental change is being interconnected connected (open many web sites at once) vs the single connection (dial 1 BBS at a time). What manner of BBS's were you on that could scale to 621180 users or more? Do you think any could have scaled to Facebook's billion users with 500 million daily visitors and an insane amount of data flying around? Am I just too cheap with my processor and hard drive to process and store 500+TB of new, extremely-interconnected data every day, or do I need to run a beowulf cluster?

    67. Re:iterative innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We are burn coal to drive a turbine steam engine, which is not made out of iron but nickel and titanium, and the furnace burning the coal has controls on it to improve the burn and polution devices on the exhaust to reduce the polution.

      Exactly how have we been "standing still"??

      In the really real world things things like combustion and heat and take things like metal and plastics and stone to work.

      Wishful thinking is not a very effective source for food, fuel, or material. Some day after a lot of research it maybe, but for now we work with what we know.

    68. Re:iterative innovation by foniksonik · · Score: 1

      Wood is more sustainable.

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    69. Re:iterative innovation by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1
      Possibly not the same British Government that said "We don't need telephones - we have messenger boys"

      or the British government that said "Three computers should be enough for any country"

      However, they are all closely related.

      I assure you British governments are quite incapable of "predicting" the present, let alone the future.

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    70. Re:iterative innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      9. Humans. Just an improvement on apes' great grandparents.

    71. Re:iterative innovation by riverat1 · · Score: 1

      The land based part of the GPS system (called WAAS) does not do the same thing as the satellites. They correct the slight errors caused by minor deviations in the GPS satellite's position and clock. After all when you have to account for relativistic effects on the satellite it doesn't take much to cause a lot of error. The WAAS system sends the deviation correction signal to a geosynchronous satellite that broadcasts it back to Earth where properly equipped GPS receivers can use it to improve their accuracy.

    72. Re:iterative innovation by presspass · · Score: 2

      That's why I like the show connections: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connections_(TV_series)

      It traces these incremental inventions in an entertaining, (to me), way.

    73. Re:iterative innovation by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      And I think it just shows a complete lack of knowledge on behalf of the writer

      Indeed it does, as well as a complete lack of thought. I'm sixty and can list things I have now that nobody had when I was ten. Car air bags, antilock brakes, the Crystalens in my left eye, the microwave oven, the VCR, LED, LCD, and plasma display screens, viagra, naproxin sodium, artificial hearts, self-driving cars, laptop and tablet computers, cell phones... I could go on all day.

      My guess is the writer is younger than my youngest daughter and is fresh out of journalism school, thinking "I've never seen anything truly innovative in my (very short) life.

    74. Re:iterative innovation by RoboJ1M · · Score: 1

      Well, we voted them in!
      And a million lemming can't possibly be wrong.

    75. Re:iterative innovation by RoboJ1M · · Score: 1

      To be fair, they drive steam turbines, which were made very efficient around the 19th century by another genius inventor.
      Who I can't remember. German maybe?

      Mostly I'm just excited to be living in interesting times where the perfected technologies of old (fossil, steam) look like they are about to be replaced with real game changers. When your power is as near infinite as fusion, efficiency loss in a steam turbine means nothing.

    76. Re:iterative innovation by RoboJ1M · · Score: 3, Informative

      Indeed, it's so very exciting to watch.

      I love Desertec's idea of concentrating solar plants in the deserts of north africa with HVDC lines supplying europe.
      Wouldn't it be wonderful to see money flood into Africa which doesn't involve digging shiny rocks out the ground.
      They have a fantastic statistic of how much desert solar would be required to run europe. It looks like a postage stamp on the map!

    77. Re:iterative innovation by khallow · · Score: 1

      Well, given that integrated circuits were a fast follow-on (within five years of the development of a working transistor, people were already proposing simple integrated circuits), I'd have to disagree.

    78. Re:iterative innovation by RoboJ1M · · Score: 1

      Indeed, but look what wonderful things (almost) came out of the 1973 oil crisis, Salter's Duck!
      Need is indeed the mother of all invention, we didn't need it so we didn't persue it.
      We really are always limited by our physical understanding of the world and we've been waiting for theorectical science to give the inventors something new to play with.
      Nano-tech's really been lighting the world of materiels science up though, roll on the future.

    79. Re:iterative innovation by RoboJ1M · · Score: 1

      Sadly what it not sustainable is our rate of population growth.
      There is a finite amount of arable land and fresh water to go around, I don't we can't go wasting it making biofuels.
      There's plenty of uramium, plutonium, duterium, tritium, wave, solar and wind to go around without bulldozing everything to make way for biomass crops.

    80. Re:iterative innovation by RoboJ1M · · Score: 1

      Yes, I know. I would be fascinated to know the real efficiency percentage of the drax power station.
      Shame they didn't state it in the documentary, they talked about getting and extra 1% saving 1000s of tons on coal, but no overall figure.
      I bet it's much better that the original 1% of the industrial revolution steam era.
      It just made me laugh watching europes largest most advanced coal power station shoveling coal into boilers.
      Fundamentally they are all the same unsustainable power source though.
      We're just making it last longer!

    81. Re:iterative innovation by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Also, even little incremental improvements can end having a huge effect on the way things work. When Dunlop made the first pneumatic tire, it was just an incremental improvement, but it changed everything about wheels. They no longer had to be built as strong because bumps were being absorbed by all the air in the tire, and not just the material between the rim and the road. Wheels could be lighter, and provide a much smoother ride than the old solid rubber, or even worse the iron tires you used to find on old farm tractors.

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    82. Re:iterative innovation by Nutria · · Score: 1

      Nano-tech's really been lighting the world of materiels science up though, roll on the future.

      Call me Negative Nancy, but I keep reading about all this wonderful super-light, super-efficient, super-duper tech, but never see it brought to market.

      Either (a) there's a conspiracy to keep it in the labs, or (b) this stuff is much harder to industrialize than fiddle with in a laboratory.

      I vote option (b).

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    83. Re:iterative innovation by mosb1000 · · Score: 1

      The processes used to manufacture microelectronics have gone through many fundamental changes in recent years. Just because they're still used to make transistors doesn't mean they aren't important fundamental changes. If someone invented an economical industrial process to produce gasoline from the air, would you say that's unimportant because we can already make gasoline? Probably not.

      Besides, there have been many breakthroughs in quantum computing in that time, you just haven't noticed because they have yet to result in a working quantum computer. Again, it doesn't mean breakthroughs aren't happening, it just means you haven't noticed them.

    84. Re:iterative innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IDIOT.

      The Concorde was destroyed by the great bane of modern society. REGULATIONS.

      Nobody in their right mind wants to sit in a tin can for 9 hours when they could do it in 4.5. Apply different scalars for different Mach numbers.

      The Morons In Charge DELIBERATELY crippled supersonic travel because of false fears regarding sound, sound pollution, ozone destabilization and pure all out protectionism. Had competition been allowed, Boeing would have had a supersonic jet out shortly thereafter, and undoubtedly today, Airbus or its equivalent would have had another SST out.

      And I bet if it had all been allowed to go on, hypersonic transport would be available for luxury clients by now.

    85. Re:iterative innovation by illaqueate · · Score: 1

      Most of this discussion is just bad historiography. Some people here should go read James Burke to see the connections between the development of different technologies through history.

    86. Re:iterative innovation by Miamicanes · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In terms of paradigm shifts, I'd say one of the more fundamental was the humble 555 IC. You can buy brand new products today that use more or less the exact same die design that was laid out by hand 40 years ago. All that's really changed is that it now comes in tiny SMD packaging with more or less the same silicon inside as always.

      The 555 was fundamental in ways that the 74xx chips, and even FPGAs, aren't. 7400-series chips formed the foundation of modern computers, but they gradually (for commercial purposes, at least) evolved and consolidated into PALs, which evolved into CPLDs, which evolved into FPGAs.

      The 555 was literally an overnight seismic shift in circuit design that's endured almost unchanged for nearly half a century -- it was useful the day it came out, and remains useful today. In contrast, 7400 logic chips were a vital part of a long chain of evolution that begin with chips that were mostly useless on their own until you combined them like electronic lego bricks, and continued their steady evolution (more or less faithfully demonstrating Moore's Law) up to the present.

      The generic Op-amp was another. Over the years, we've refined them and made them cheaper, but to a large extent an op-amp is still an op-amp. And from op-amps, we got chips like the LM386 -- the infamous single-chip .5w amplifier that was pretty much a universal component in cheap consumer electronics gear until class D amplifiers with integrated simple DSP capabilities and I2C volume/effects control arrived like a tsunami in the early 2000s. (For anyone under ~40 or so, anything our parents called a "transistor radio" when we were kids was almost always a "LM386 radio").

    87. Re:iterative innovation by Zorpheus · · Score: 1

      Ok, but it was probably not known that integrated circuits will have much impact on daily life, particularly not to the masses

    88. Re:iterative innovation by VoidCrow · · Score: 1

      I would blow Baroness Thatcher for a fission powered hover duck.

    89. Re:iterative innovation by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 2

      Thomas Edison didn't invent the light bulb. He invented the first practical one that lasted a long time and didn't stink up your house.

      He didn't even do that. He was a fantastic salesman though. So perhaps what has really happened is that inventors have become less colourful characters who can't make their inventions sound quite as fantastic due to the grey, uniform corporate world which lives in perpetual fear of law suits.

    90. Re:iterative innovation by Chuckstar · · Score: 1

      I'm going to have to call "bullshit" on your point #2. All you have to do is look at the patent wars that erupted around the airplane or the telephone to see that there's really nothing new about the state of IP.

    91. Re:iterative innovation by boorack · · Score: 1

      Don't count on innovation in a world where big, lazy corporation are calling the shots and everything is patented to death. Today we tend to take IT-related stuff as "invention" or "technology" and we repeat like a mantra that this is "THE innovation". In fact IT is just a small part of whole technological landscape (albeit it's ubiquitous). Those real ones (eg. energy, medicine, materials etc.) are in virtual standstill due to patents. Biotechnology does some progress but in a very bad direction thanks to Monsanto and similiar entities.

    92. Re:iterative innovation by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Also, even little incremental improvements can end having a huge effect on the way things work. When Dunlop made the first pneumatic tire, it was just an incremental improvement, but it changed everything about wheels. They no longer had to be built as strong because bumps were being absorbed by all the air in the tire, and not just the material between the rim and the road. Wheels could be lighter, and provide a much smoother ride than the old solid rubber, or even worse the iron tires you used to find on old farm tractors.

      And now we've come almost full circle, with the latest fad being almost all wheel and a painted on run-flat-tire that provides next to no cushioning, and a damaged wheel if you hit anything hard.

    93. Re:iterative innovation by Cytotoxic · · Score: 1

      Absolutely - DNA sequencing has moved from non-existent to "really expensive and really slow" when I used to do it over 20 years ago to "extremely fast and quite cheap" today. This has led to an amazing explosion in our understanding of biology - from the first discovery of life beyond animals, plants and bacteria (archaea) by sequencing and comparing ribosomal RNA - to today's ecological studies of the microbiome by mass sequencing of all the DNA found in seawater or sewage or whatever. If that's not a fundamental, game-changing invention... well, I would say I don't know what is. But it is and I know it. So should anyone mildly versed in the sciences - say, someone writing an article about the state of invention. Soon enough it'll be so cheap that you'll get your genes sequenced before your doctor prescribes a new antidepressant to make sure he gives you the right one for your genetic profile. Really amazing stuff.

    94. Re:iterative innovation by spinozaq · · Score: 1

      Option (b) is correct for nano-tech. The most promising "industrializable"(scalable) nano-tech I've seen in recent years is Rice University's recent breakthrough on wet-spun carbon fibers. That is a "true" invention. It will likely be in data cables within a few years.

    95. Re:iterative innovation by The_Revelation · · Score: 1

      I don't think there are a lack of innovators as much as a lack of highly innovative companies who are the only ones with enough money to 'innovate' through the patent system. I'm a Computer Systems Engineer. The year I was awarded my degree, Australia inherited DMCA which stopped tech innovation in this country. We simply do not have enough tech firms with an R&D department well financed enough to legally defend itself for the crime of 'innovation'.

    96. Re:iterative innovation by spinozaq · · Score: 1

      Extreme claims require extreme evidence. All available facts are not in your favor. The Concorde was canceled due to combination of economic and "age" problems. I can not find one citation "against" the Concorde for "ozone worries". Due to the high operational costs of the plane, and high fuel costs, the price of the ticket did not scale linearly with the Mach number. Even if it did, I don't think large numbers of passengers would be willing to pay more for the same flight. Would you pay $3000 dollars instead of $1500 to fly to France and back in 3.5 hours instead of 9 ? That's $270 for each hour saved.... I don't think a large percentage of the population would see that as a positive cost benefit. In reality the Concorde was more like $10,000 dollars instead of $1500 dollars.

      How has competition NOT been allowed? There are multiple development efforts happening right now for supersonic transportation planes. It takes a HUGE investment to design and build an SST that can compete for economics ( even at the first class level. ) with newer super fuel efficient planes.

    97. Re:iterative innovation by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      The transistor was a fundamental invention, okay, but in the 1960s the visible impact was small radios. Sure, computers used ICs, but computers weren't all that important to daily living. They were commercial infrastructure and research tools, nothing more.

      The laser was a fundamental invention. For quite a few years, it was a lab instrument only, useful in doing some research. Holograms were a neat thing, and if you could get access to the right sort of lab you could see one yourself.

      There have been a fair number of things invented recently that have no current commercial use. That doesn't mean none of them will be seen as groundbreaking around 2030 or so.

      It's also possible to create new things without fundamental inventions. There's a device in my shirt pocket that really has nothing fundamentally new in it (materials are better, the battery is a new sort but still just a battery, some of the manufacturing techniques are revolutionary, that's all), and it accesses a system that's a scaled-up version of stuff we had decades ago. It gives me fast access to a tremendous amount of the world's knowledge, and that is a fundamental change.

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    98. Re:iterative innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd say many of these these are largely market breakthroughs, the application of an existing technology to a new market. If anything, with the exception of the Internet, these demonstrate the article's point.

      Posting as AC to avoid losing mod points.

      I think that people discover the fact eventually that most inventions are incremental in nature.That is why we end up having these discussions - because a lot of people just do not realize the nature of inventing, or progress or technology if you will.

      Almost never is there a eureka moment, whenever an idea and then an invention pops out fully realized, without a whole lot of prior research and ideas. I don't know of any. Which to me indicates that the people making this BBC program don't understand the process at all.

      Even their example of Bell's Telephone versus the iPhone is wrong. Not just wrong, but stupid and wrong. What about Page, Manzetti, Bourseul, Reis, Meucci, Varley, le Cour, Drawbaugh, and Gray. The invention of th etelephone is a very interesting history.

      Yes, Bell came along and produced a practical version of the telephone. But to discount the work of previous and contemporary inventors is intellectually challenged on BBC's part.

    99. Re:iterative innovation by nilbog · · Score: 1

      We use the last thing to invent the next thing.

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    100. Re:iterative innovation by aix+tom · · Score: 1

      Indeed. When you think about it, ALL the fancy consumer electronics of today is still completely based on the laws formulated by Maxwell in 1861 and 1862.

      The whole "internet" thing basically still works on the principles of the telegraph, only faster, more automated, and with more connected users.

      There is one areas where I could imagine something "completely groundbreaking". Something as ground-breaking as Maxwell's laws (which combined electricity, magnetism and optics into one set of equations) Before that we were able to to "somehow" use electricity and "somehow" use magnetism for some "more or less toys", but after that we were basically able to manipulate them at will, which basically started the next big technological revolution after the railroad.

      I guess if someone someday figures out how gravity figures into those, it will be the next "scientific big bang" that will bring forth a new wave of completely technology.

    101. Re:iterative innovation by steveg · · Score: 2

      Well, there was always Fido. Scaled to hundreds of thousands (or so), just *real* high latency. :) Round trip messages could take several days, all over long distance phone lines.

      Don't think it would have been able to even *think* of millions, certainly not in the billion range. But the nodelist at its peak had something like 35,000 hosts. Each one was a BBS with many or few users.

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    102. Re:iterative innovation by mathiasjoel · · Score: 1

      The day the above inventions are disregarded as inventions is the day I consider humanity to have a 'break-through'. These affect our lives as much as the new LCD billboards on the highway help me to find my way around. As another person mentioned, the internet is even suspect as is now becoming regulated beyond use of uploading your personal information. Smart phones are an overpriced phone with GPS, conveniently now uploading your location when you use it. Autonomous car??? You mean a train, bus, or taxi? Speech recognition if there were anything useful to come out of it, aside from possible military and/or surveillance use. I should maybe restate that these might be useful, but not really to anyone but large organizations that can profit from you. As far as user functionality, I'd say the internet is maybe the best invention, but then again we don't go out dancing anymore or meet people other than online. Maybe the best invention has to do with the societal behavior change having to do with our recycling of all of the above producs. We are at least screwing up the earth less or maybe reusing the materials of our products more than once. But then again, we are drinking tap water out of plastic bottles in many places that don't need it.

    103. Re:iterative innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My grandpa weren't no monkey!

    104. Re:iterative innovation by dbIII · · Score: 1

      The guy in the shed some years back was probably spending most of a day a week reading and writing letters to people. The events around the parallel development of the tungsten light bulb in so many places at once demonstrate clearly how much technical communication was going on back then.

    105. Re:iterative innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In this day and age, all scientists and innovators talk to each other all the time, and are aware of each other's work. There is no guy working for years in secrecy in his shed anymore.

      lol

      *goes back to working in secret in his shed*

    106. Re:iterative innovation by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Tubes are still in use now for some stuff, but not much. Until relatively recently anything involving high voltages and currents could just forget about semiconductors, so not much more than a decade back all those radio and TV stations you were listening to or watching had tubes in their transmitters.

    107. Re:iterative innovation by dbIII · · Score: 1

      We could do it a today - an internet run on vacuum tubes instead of silicon. Then the internet would be a series of tubes.
      Jokes aside, the diode junction in silicon and everything you can go to from there was another way of doing what the tubes could already do, but a far more convenient way to do it. Initially (from old radio and hobbies magazines, I wasn't alive at the time) costs kept them from replacing tubes in a lot of situations for quite a while, then eventually the IC buried valves in all but high power applications, until stuff like the SCR moved in there.

    108. Re:iterative innovation by dbIII · · Score: 1

      OMG, we haven't had a once-a-millenium invention in the last fifty years!

      Except for maybe the maser last year.

    109. Re:iterative innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The tablet has been around since the stone age...

    110. Re:iterative innovation by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      lol true point. Incremental de-innovation.

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    111. Re:iterative innovation by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "Except for the part where you have links to data stored on other servers."

      Hi, we had multi-node linked BBSes back then, if you had a couple of roboboards and spare computers. Micro internet, right in your house! A whopping TWO GIGS of information!

      We also had dial-up routing back then and could link with other BBSes in other states (we didn't do this because of long distance rates, but it has been done experimentally.)

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    112. Re:iterative innovation by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      To use the GP's argument against him, a transistor is just a special case diode anyway. Hardly a breakthrough but more of an incremental invention... everything is connected to everything else. Where you draw the line that defines "breakthrough" is a matter of pesonal taste and thus meaningless in any argumentative sense.

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    113. Re:iterative innovation by Nutria · · Score: 1

      It will likely be in data cables within a few years.

      Yawn. Call me when an actual factory actually ships an actual product.

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    114. Re:iterative innovation by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      The room temperature, solid state maser, you mean? Meh, just an incremental improvement on the MASER, which was invented in the early 50s.

      Yes, I'm being sarcastic. The maser you mention will undoubtedly have some effects, but it's hard to tell now whether it will qualify as one of the OPs "fundamental inventions" or not. Just like the transistor when it was invented... interesting toy? Marginal improvement? World changing technology? Time will tell.

    115. Re:iterative innovation by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      Semiconductor device physics depends on quantum mechanics.

      We can't manipulate the nuclear forces at will, but we do have enough understanding of them for certain applications like nuclear power.

      Manipulating gravity like we do magnetism sounds great but I'm not holding my breath.

      Nevertheless, I agree with your general sentiment. :)

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    116. Re:iterative innovation by bogjobber · · Score: 1

      Well, of course a fundamental change in the Internet hasn't happened in the last 20 years. You can't found something that already exists!

      Right now I would say that the fields most likely to provoke a "fundamental" change in our technology are biotech/genetic research and nanoscale materials, although neither one has provided an "Aha!" moment that fundamentally changes the way we view society quite yet.

      We haven't seen the full effect of many discoveries of the past couple decades because these technologies are still in their formative years. Remember that electronics was a major industry for almost 70 years before the invention of the transistor. The modern Internet didn't exist until the late 80s and early 90s, didn't become commonplace ubiquitous until the early 2000s, and the full social effects of that change have only been felt over the last five years or so. Usenet was created in 1979, ARPANET in 1969, and packet-switched networks were around a decade before that. The Internet is actually a perfect example of iterative development of ideas. It's only in hindsight that it seems like a sudden change.

      Energy is another field which could see that happen, although I think we're probably not very close to the breakthroughs that I think will change that industry.

    117. Re:iterative innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Is scientific genius extinct? One expert thinks so " http://www.nbcnews.com/id/50670351/ns/technology_and_science-science/#.UQ0bq3eH98E

    118. Re:iterative innovation by dbIII · · Score: 1

      You could also say the transistor is just a room temperature, solid state variant of a type of valve.
      My uncle concluded his electrical engineering degree a year of two before the transistor was invented and he could immediately apply the same electronic designs techniques merely substituting solid state diodes and transistors for some types of valve - thus the same "paradigm". The real changes happened over time since it was like having more valves than you could shove into a room or possibly afford in a small box then not long after an IC.
      Notice what I did there? I pointed out that a major change in hindsight can look like small changes at the time.

    119. Re:iterative innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nearly all innovation is iterative. It has always been that way, so I've been told.

      The BBC had a wonderful program to that effect. James Burke hosted the educational series called "Connections"

    120. Re:iterative innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolutely! There are no true inventors.

        What is almost always overlooked, because of our naturally anthropocentric standpoint is that, except in a very limited everyday sense, we do not "create" or "design" things but rather that and technology EVOLVE within the medium of our collective imagination.
      As Carl Sagan put it "To make an apple pie from scratch you first have to create the universe"
      Without Jobs we would still have functionally comparable user interfaces, pointing devices and so forth. Without Vinton Cerf, the Internet, Just as without Newton or Liebnitz we would still have the calculus of variations, or relativity without Einstein, without Stephenson, the steam engine, without Edison, the phonograph.
        I am not disparaging any of these individuals but it must be admitted they were mostly picking the low-hanging fruit.
        This is a major theme of my latest book : "The Goldilocks Effect: What Has Serendipity Ever Done For Us?" (free download in e-book formats from the "Unusual Perspectives" website)

    121. Re:iterative innovation by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      Nearly all innovation is iterative. It has always been that way, so I've been told.

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      There is a lot of inventing and innovation taking place. But it is kept secret to avoid the horrendous cost of trying to defend it if it was filed with the patent office.
      Then there are the trolls who will attack it's use with the idea of driving up your costs.

      Best to go outside the USA to develop and market your product.. I hate to be so negative, but thats the way it is.

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    122. Re:iterative innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Memristors, Graphene, Carbon Nanotubes, nanoscale 3D printing, DNA sequencing, and many, many more...

      Okay. So where are my graphene nanotube nanoscale 3d printed DNA sequences at? I have yet to "see" one.

      And 3d printing? Really? That is something on the order of the Theory of Relativity, breaking up atoms, transistors, or DNA? It is to laugh.

    123. Re:iterative innovation by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      DNA sequencing has moved from non-existent to "really expensive and really slow" when I used to do it over 20 years ago to "extremely fast and quite cheap" today

      Yes, but it has done so through an iterative series of improvements, not some single breakthrough by a lone inventor. Which is the whole point of TFA.

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    124. Re:iterative innovation by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      It's also possible to create new things without fundamental inventions. There's a device in my shirt pocket that really has nothing fundamentally new in it (materials are better, the battery is a new sort but still just a battery, some of the manufacturing techniques are revolutionary, that's all), and it accesses a system that's a scaled-up version of stuff we had decades ago. It gives me fast access to a tremendous amount of the world's knowledge, and that is a fundamental change.

      You're another person who's missing the point completely. The smartphone wasn't invented by some guy in a shed so that we jumped from rotary dial wired speech-only phones to the iPhone in one bound. It required a whole lot of other technological breakthroughs by a whole lot of different people to get to where we are now.

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    125. Re:iterative innovation by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I think we've had our share of big breakthroughs...

      smart phone internet OLED GPS Social Media Autonomous car speech recognition (w/ 99%+ accuracy) automatic language translation

      etc...

      None of those are one-off "eureka" inventions. They all required iterative progress.

      Oh, and "automatic language translation" is still at the "the cat sat on the mat" = "le chat assis sur le tapis" stage, if Google translate is anything to go by.

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    126. Re:iterative innovation by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      The big moment for the Internet was when Average Joes could buy access.

      It's similar to when Henry Ford made the motor car available to the masses (or, at least, not just a few ultra-rich hobbyists).

      But the point is that he didn't invent the car himself, out of the blue, in the same way that no one suddenly invented the internet.

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    127. Re:iterative innovation by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Really, the ONLY advantage of a SAK is that it has a corkscrew

      A Swiss Army Knife has one great advantage over a Leatherman: you can put a normal SAK on your key ring or carry it in a pocket, whereas a Leatherman needs a belt case or something similar.

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    128. Re:iterative innovation by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Back when the Internet created a new society with a better global consciousness

      Nice one.

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    129. Re:iterative innovation by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I'm sixty and can list things I have now that nobody had when I was ten. Car air bags, antilock brakes, the Crystalens in my left eye, the microwave oven, the VCR, LED, LCD, and plasma display screens, viagra, naproxin sodium, artificial hearts, self-driving cars, laptop and tablet computers, cell phones... I could go on all day

      But no one is denying that there have been huge technological improvements in the last 50 years. All we're saying is that these are not the result of a series of independent "light bulb moments" in the minds of genius inventors.

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    130. Re:iterative innovation by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I would blow Baroness Thatcher for a fission powered hover duck.

      You'd have to dig her up first, she died and was buried over the weekend.

      (I'm practising the power of positive thinking).

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    131. Re:iterative innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think it is entirely because speeds are "good enough" but who can afford it (you say it is because its too expensive and cause speeds are good enough yet people are trying to find ways to go faster while being cheaper [-the main selling point], ie teleportation). It seems in your world everyone owns an automobile instead of taking public transit to get to work cause its faster. It is more of what people are willing to pay. Unless it can become affordable to the common consumer which seems to be degrading year by year (speculation of coarse, only so much gold for an ever increasing population) I guess we won't be seeing much innovation according to you.

    132. Re:iterative innovation by MojoRilla · · Score: 1

      Really? Bill Gates dropped out after two years at Harvard. Steve Jobs dropped out after a semester at Reed College. Steve Wosniak dropped out of Berkley after one year. And Mark Zuckerberg dropped out of Harvard after two years.

      There is no denying these folks are smart. But they are not highly educated. I also question the level of investment. Apple, Microsoft and Facebook started in dorm rooms and garages.

      The reality is that while education is necessary to develop the underlying technology (the integrated circuit and CPU, high density storage, computer networks and the internet, touch screens, etc), it almost seems like education is unnecessary, or even an impediment to actually creating popular consumer products.

  3. Semiconductor Industry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Yes look at semiconductor industry and you should be impressed with the innovations there. You can call them engineering or whatever you prefer. But ability to scale 5 orders of magnitude in physical dimension is no easy feet.

    1. Re:Semiconductor Industry by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 2, Funny

      ability to scale 5 orders of magnitude in physical dimension is no smelly feet

      There, fixed that for you

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    2. Re:Semiconductor Industry by dietdew7 · · Score: 0

      I think the original poster meant to say 'left feet', 'smelly feet' doesn't make sense.

    3. Re:Semiconductor Industry by Forty+Two+Tenfold · · Score: 2

      'smelly feet' doesn't make sense.

      It seems it's no small feat for you to understand that pun.

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    4. Re:Semiconductor Industry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe it's 10 feet, I'm not sure of the magnitude, but of course it can't be an unknown length

    5. Re:Semiconductor Industry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ability to scale 5 orders of magnitude in physical dimension is no smelly feet

      There, fixed that for you

      I dunno..... trying to scale five orders of magnitude would probably give me smelly feet.

    6. Re:Semiconductor Industry by Rob+Riggs · · Score: 1

      It seems it's no small feat for you to understand that pun.

      We should celebrate with a small fete when it comes to him.

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    7. Re:Semiconductor Industry by Barsteward · · Score: 1

      "It seems it's no small feat for you to understand that pun. We should celebrate with a small fete when it comes to him."

      Whats fate got to do with it?

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    8. Re:Semiconductor Industry by louden+obscure · · Score: 1
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    9. Re:Semiconductor Industry by shikaisi · · Score: 1

      A priest asked: What is Fate, Master? And he answered: It is that which gives a beast of burden its reason for existence. It is that which men in former times had to bear upon their backs. It is that which has caused nations to build byways from City to City upon which carts and coaches pass, and alongside which inns have come to be built to stave off Hunger, Thirst and Weariness. And that is Fate? said the priest. Fate ... I thought you said Freight, responded the Master. That's all right, said the priest. I wanted to know what Freight was too. (Kehlog Albran, "The Profit")

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  4. There is at least one important one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    what are the most recent things you can think of that have been actual, new inventions?

    The Apple Invention of rounded corners !

    1. Re:There is at least one important one by macbeth66 · · Score: 1

      While flippant, I think AC here has a point. I wonder how many inventions sit because IP protection is non-existent while silliness like this gets multi-billion payouts. Yeah, I'm aware of the recent judgement, but I'm just saying...

    2. Re:There is at least one important one by Nerdfest · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Many would-be inventors (and software developers) sit idly by or work on dull projects for large corporations because of companies like Apple, Microsoft, and Sony. It's financially dangerous to invent something or publish software as the hard part is not the engineering, it's the 'imaginary property' problem and all of the lawyers required. It's not worth the effort, as in the end you either get purchased by a large corporation or squashed by a large corporation. Most inventors aren't looking for imaginary property protection, they just want to make and sell a product.

    3. Re:There is at least one important one by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1
      I have invented loads of things, and sat on them because I cannot afford to patent them. When I worked for Xerox corp, they had a scheme for telling them about your inventions, and I told them about several. At first they paid me, but later they ripped me off. One of the inventions I told them about was something I invented while at college in 1974. Xerox said they were not interested in it. It was reinvented by others in 2008, and is now known as the MAGFET.

      Several other things I have invented have gone into commercial production decades after I invented them. Here in the UK, no one wants to know about new inventions. That Includes the UK offices of Ford and General Motors. I still have plenty of inventions worth millions - no one wants them. If you know someone who does,, and is willing to pay for it let me know.

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    4. Re:There is at least one important one by benthurston27 · · Score: 1

      It doesn't really cost that much to patent something. You could take out a loan if necessary. Why isn't there a wikipedia article on magfets, they seem cool.

  5. I prefer to think of inventions as discoveries by ranulf · · Score: 2

    I think part of the problem is that a lot of inventions are really just the next logical step from current systems, and especially when you have a lot of independent groups working in similar areas, the chance of inventing something truly unique is quite low. One of the problems with the patent system, I think, is that it affords the first "inventor" an enormous advantage over everyone else who might also come up with the same idea independently.

    I'm not saying there aren't often genuine inventions and patent worthy things, but a lot of stuff that is just an iteration beyond what went before isn't really an invention...

    1. Re:I prefer to think of inventions as discoveries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      As one of the inventors out there.... Yes we are real and we are definitely in the game. There are earth shattering new inventions all the time. The problem for the most part is a seriously busted patent system. It tends to keep us off of the system you are looking at. Just as a tease. Suppose I were to invent a device that made useful energy a different way. This invention I will give you from a yesterday's Slashdot post. OK here it is! Take the magnetic transistor technology and using a forward ratio typical of optical and electronic transistors of 1000:1 blast this microcoating onto a permanent magnet surface. Now I could turn on and off the magnet like a light switch with only 1/1000th of the magnetic field I currently find in the magnet.
      Now I make the poles of a motor this way. Now I switch on and off my poles. Now I get a COP of 1000 out of a motor. Not bad for one day reading Slashdot eh? This invention application surely aught to go down in history as one of the top ones of all time. Given away on Slashdot because of our awful screwed up Patent system.
      I expect hecklers and the like. Game over guys this one will work and is proved technology! You can argue all day long about where the energy comes from but it will work. --- Just a hint look for Maxwell's aether. (Oops I mean the Higgs field! - Just a renaming of Maxwell aether) If I haven't given you a hint as to the size of inventors now days don't run around with your eyes wide shut.

    2. Re:I prefer to think of inventions as discoveries by griffinme · · Score: 2

      I think part of the problem is also the lack of low hanging fruit. After the explosion of the industrial revolution someone working in their garage/shed could do things like build an airplane. We reached a point were you needed unobtainiom to take things further. In some ways that has started to swing back. Look at what the Maker movement has been doing with easy to get and use chips. Yes, there have been thousands of "Oooo look at my blinky lights." But there have also been things like the Maker-Bot and the Raspberry Pi. People also have access to what would have been considered a super computer a few years ago as a laptop. And the Maker-Bot and its siblings I think could drastically change things. I don't need a proto shop, machine shop, etc. to build my idea to see if it works. The 3D printer in my shed can build the parts.

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    3. Re:I prefer to think of inventions as discoveries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you had such an invention, no matter how broken the patent system is, you should easily be able to come rich without patenting it, and selling it as a black box. There are only two reasons you wouldn't become rich with it: it doesn't work, or you are the worst, stupidest business person ever who can't figure out how to sell it.

    4. Re:I prefer to think of inventions as discoveries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      IMHO, real invention is like a good joke - if a punchline doesn't surprise you, the joke sucks. Invention has to contain a surprise, or else it doesn't bring any value to the humanity and patenting it is an act of robbery.

    5. Re:I prefer to think of inventions as discoveries by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      So make one and prove it.

      You can even weld the thing shut and make all those who lease it sign an NDA. Use trade secret to hide your invention.

      Or here is a more likely scenario, it does not work and you are totally full of shit.

    6. Re:I prefer to think of inventions as discoveries by YoungHack · · Score: 2

      In the context of this, I'd say the internet was a great invention. Look at how much it surprised a real powerhouse in the domain, Microsoft. No way would I have predicted in 1990 how ubiquitous the online experience would become.

    7. Re:I prefer to think of inventions as discoveries by Shikaku · · Score: 1

      I want a blueprint and a working video. If you really are giving away show me

    8. Re:I prefer to think of inventions as discoveries by Ginger+Unicorn · · Score: 1

      (Oops I mean the Higgs field! - Just a renaming of Maxwell aether)

      The Aether was a hypothesised medium in which electromagnetic waves were thought to be propogated. The Higgs field is the hypothesised field that gives particles mass. They're significantly different propositions.

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    9. Re:I prefer to think of inventions as discoveries by NatasRevol · · Score: 1
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    10. Re:I prefer to think of inventions as discoveries by Dan+Dankleton · · Score: 1

      But the Internet has been around since 1969 (and the idea for it since 1962.) The web was just an incremental improvement over Gopher. Nothing about the Internet as in invention in 1990 (or 1995) was surprising to people who knew what had come before. The invention itself contained no surprise.

      What surprised Microsoft (and others) wasn't "The Internet," it was people's response to it and the fact that a HUGE network effect meant that an exponentially growing number of people wanted to use the internet.

    11. Re:I prefer to think of inventions as discoveries by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Do you realize that you can contract to a qualified machinist with a moderately specced out CNC machine to make things your silly 3D printer can't even dream of? You can download the software for a pittance and send the files via the Internet.

      Same for electronics assemblies, boxes, bags, garments, wood stuff, plastic stuff, metal stuff and increasingly biologicals. I'm constantly floored by the amount of complicated biological molecules and tests that you can simply order with your VISA card - stuff that took me months of either making in the lab or bribing somebody else in another lab to make.

      With the money I spend on my hobbies (keeping a sailboat afloat and photography), I could have a pretty snazzy wet lab in my basement.

      I might have some pleasant people with badges snooping about and inquiring as to my psychopathic sensibilities, but it's certainly doable. For anyone in the actual "1%" bracket, instead of playing with your helicopter or personal submarine, you could have a lab that actually employed the modern version of Igor and start working on your Franken-whatever.

      It's ** much ** easier to do these days than ever before.

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    12. Re:I prefer to think of inventions as discoveries by spire3661 · · Score: 2

      You obviously didnt read enough science fiction. I knew how things were going to go 25 years ago.

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    13. Re:I prefer to think of inventions as discoveries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you realize that you can contract to a qualified machinist with a moderately specced out CNC machine to make things your silly 3D printer can't even dream of?

      CNC me a hollow sphere with no openings.

    14. Re:I prefer to think of inventions as discoveries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Overunity devices are already done. The physics is relatively well-known (open-system thermodynamics, ZPE field, blah, blah). Toy inventions demonstrating COP > 1 are all over the place and not even interesting anymore. Now take your concept and build a power plant or a home generator. Shit, just make something that can respond to a changing load and continue to produce more energy than you input. I'm not even asking you to "close the loop" yet...

      That is where we are today. And it's going to be 50 more years before this starts getting mainstream attention. Billions of dollars and new materials will pave the way. The circuitry to maintain the resonance that gives you your COP > 1 effect under a changing load is COMPLETELY non-trivial and you're never going to achieve it in your basement.

    15. Re:I prefer to think of inventions as discoveries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (Oops I mean the Higgs field! - Just a renaming of Maxwell aether)

      The Aether was a hypothesised medium in which electromagnetic waves were thought to be propogated. The Higgs field is the hypothesised field that gives particles mass. They're significantly different propositions.

      Cranks don't know enough "so-called" real physics to know the difference, nor will they learn.

    16. Re:I prefer to think of inventions as discoveries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At my current work place and several previous ones, they will spend anywhere from a couple thousand to six figures on power supplies that are fixed to constant loads. Some of them are specifically tuned to those loads and have boards that need to be sent back for retuning if the power supply gets re-purposed. You don't need to respond to varying loads to make money off of over unity, or even 99+% efficient power sources... there are markets right now for fixed load, high efficiency power supplies.

    17. Re:I prefer to think of inventions as discoveries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      3D print me a solid, titanium 1" cube with sub mil precision...

      The GP said that they don't need a machine shop. Then the parent said that there are things you need a machine shop for that a 3D printer can't do. Then you give one example of something a CNC machine can't easily do... that doesn't contradict who you are replying that said that there are things you would need essentially a machine shop for.

    18. Re:I prefer to think of inventions as discoveries by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      The 3D printer in my shed can build the parts.

      As long as your world-shaking invention can be assembled from shitty coloured plastic widgets.

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  6. Seems like a meaningless distinction by jbmartin6 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Any invention is just an addition to preexisting technologies. Bell et al. didn't invent the telephone in ancient Greece for a reason. There was all sorts of work to be done with sound, electricity, and magnetism first. The telephone was just adding voice capability to the telegraph, right?

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    1. Re:Seems like a meaningless distinction by Soluzar · · Score: 1, Funny

      Good points, but among the many good reasons that Bell didn't invent the telephone in ancient greece was that he wasn't born yet. *rimshot*

    2. Re:Seems like a meaningless distinction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not funny

    3. Re:Seems like a meaningless distinction by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

      No but technically the Steam Engine, Robot & Automatic Doors were invented by Hero in 300BC. But I agree the author must have been researching with his/her eyes closed.

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    4. Re:Seems like a meaningless distinction by Whatsisname · · Score: 1

      Hero did not "technically" invent the steam engine. He made a steam powered novelty yes, and is credited with making the first steam engine of any kind, but his aeropile still had a long way to go before becoming a device that could power industry.

    5. Re:Seems like a meaningless distinction by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

      Any invention is just an addition to preexisting technologies. Bell et al. didn't invent the telephone in ancient Greece for a reason. There was all sorts of work to be done with sound, electricity, and magnetism first. The telephone was just adding voice capability to the telegraph, right?

      Not to mention, Sasha Grey wasn't around back then for Bell to copy the 'mercury as a variable resistor' idea from by bribing a patent clerk.

      Even the idea of communicating via wire was an iteration on the Telegraph system. It was obvious, we knew you could play tones down the wires, it was only a matter of time before you could transmit voice.

      Oh, sure, fall back to Edison and his Light-bulb then? Incandescent light bulbs were in the European patent office 2 years before Edison's. The prior art used a filament in a vacuum. Everyone was trying to figure out which elements to encase the filament in inside the bulb and in which state liquids, gasses, solids, there's only so many elements and states to try, Edison had more money so he got there first, and his "breakthrough invention" was really just a simple ITERATION on the existing idea.

      THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS GENIUS. It really is just individuals ordinarily skilled in the art who get famous for getting shit patented and keeping all the other dopes from benefiting from their research if they arrive at the same iterative advancement.

      You with rose colored glasses look back and wonder where all the bright geniuses have gone, why today innovation is really just iteration. I say to you TAKE OFF THE DAMN GLASSES IT'S BEEN ITERATION ALL ALONG.

    6. Re:Seems like a meaningless distinction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got confused for a moment as I thought about the other Sasha Grey

    7. Re:Seems like a meaningless distinction by bjackson1 · · Score: 1

      Think you are looking for Elisha Gray there. Sasha Grey is a very different animal :)

    8. Re:Seems like a meaningless distinction by MojoRilla · · Score: 1

      James Burke did an excellent series on tracing the history of technology called Connections in which he very successfully argues that all technology and inventions are part of an interconnected, iterative web of adaptation. Rug weaving led to the computer. Castle fortifications led to movies. Interesting stuff indeed.

    9. Re:Seems like a meaningless distinction by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Remember, even Edison (never a person to miss self aggrandizement) called invention "99% perspiration and 1% inspiration". He was acutely aware of what he was doing.

      And engineers have smelled bad ever since.

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    10. Re:Seems like a meaningless distinction by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Castle fortifications led to movies.

      Of course, we all know that.

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    11. Re:Seems like a meaningless distinction by jbmartin6 · · Score: 1

      Heh thanks for reminding me of that, now I want to watch it again. My first exposure to this series was actually the CDROM-based game. Now that I think of it, this series was probably a big factor in my original conclusion.

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    12. Re:Seems like a meaningless distinction by westlake · · Score: 1

      Not to mention, Sasha Grey wasn't around back then for Bell to copy the 'mercury as a variable resistor' idea from by bribing a patent clerk.

      Did you read the article you quote?

      It is Elisha Gray not Sasha Grey.

      The clerk was by then a hopeless alcoholic who by his own admission could be bought and paid for. His multiple --- and conflicting --- affidavits appear in 1886 --- at the height of the litigation over Bell's patents. 600 cases not one of which were lost.

      Gray was an electrical engineer with a national reputation, a multi-million dollar patent portfolio of his own and one of the founders, of Western Union. He was in the audience at the 1876 Centennial World's Fair in Philadelphia when Bell demonstrated his telephone.

      The phonograph. The typewriter.

      The Fair is the high water mark of nineteenth century American invention.

      But Gray is on the sidelines? Not taking center stage?

      Bell Telephone began stringing wires in1877. There are almost 50,000 Bell phones in service by 1880. Where is Elisha Gray and where is Western Union?

      Oh, sure, fall back to Edison and his Light-bulb then? Incandescent light bulbs were in the European patent office 2 years before Edison's.

      ---- and every one of them had to be wired in series like a string of Christmas lights. That made them as useless for residential lighting as the carbon arc lamps of a state prison.

      Edison was a system builder. The light bulb is only the beginning. You need to design generating plants. Wiring, Fuses. Plugs. Switches. Electrical meters for billing purposes. Training programs for a new generation of electricians.

      Remember, too, that no one in the general population has any practical, everyday, experience with electricity and its dangers.

    13. Re:Seems like a meaningless distinction by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Think you are looking for Elisha Gray there. Sasha Grey is a very different animal :)

      I think we can all guess what GP does during his time locked in his research-shed.

      "No entry: I'm busy inventing on the internet".

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  7. Steve Jobs and Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Clearly they invented the portable music device, the tablet computer, the cellular phone and the personal computer. No other company has done so much to enrich our lives. In about 3 years time we'll see that they will have invented the television too.

    1. Re:Steve Jobs and Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hey, don't forget the round-cornered rectangle!

    2. Re:Steve Jobs and Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the mouse and the GUI and natural language user interfaces too, of course.

    3. Re:Steve Jobs and Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you totally miss Apple inventing package management? Say what you will, but there were no appstores before App Store. (Huh? pkgadd? emerge? apt? yum? neverheardofthem! wtf are you babbling about?)

    4. Re:Steve Jobs and Apple by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      In about 3 years time we'll see that they will have invented the television too.

      Don't you know anything about the history of technology?

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    5. Re:Steve Jobs and Apple by mathiasjoel · · Score: 1

      I would like to take the opportunity to ask everyone that was previously pissed at microsoft and currently at apple, to abstract a pattern. All companies that are not the #1 company/organization will kiss your a$$ and do good things to be the #1 company. Once the #1 company, they will eliminate competition and then raise prices, and build products the LOCK YOU IN to their brand, filetype (*cough* microsoft and apple), or service. So I propose an social invention to everyone. Let's stop buying the #1 companies stuff. Let's help the competitors, and do the same to the competitor when they become #1. REAL competition will always be present, and maybe someday, new and good things will result from this change.

  8. No. by kurt555gs · · Score: 1

    The patent trolls see to that.

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    1. Re:No. by Mike+Frett · · Score: 1

      Exactly, It's difficult to Invent anything these days without somebody threatening to sue you. A lot of new stuff use to come from some guy in his basement, but he can't do it anymore; he just doesn't have the funds to fight in Court. From my eyes, everything has pretty much come to a standstill until this is all sorted out, if ever.

      Can you imagine being stuck with the same Technology for 50 or 100 years?. I wonder how long until this hits the Space Industry or things like Solar, would a person really sue all those people on youtube making their own Solar heaters and such?. It's a Crazy world now, almost everything that was taught in my school years is useless now. You can't do anything without some big Corporation putting its Lawyers up your trousers.

    2. Re:No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have to admit, having to deal with lawyers and paperwork has certainly deterred me from striking out on my own. I'd rather just work for a company.

  9. Sensational indeed by Maury+Markowitz · · Score: 5, Informative

    "particularly with the media's appetite for sensational stories"

    What, like claiming there are no new inventions to get the digerati all a-twitter and drive traffic to your site? Like that, you mean?

    I have asthma. Over the past 35 years I have witnessed the slow and steady destruction of this affliction. I started with drugs that were expensive and did little or nothing to actually steady my attacks. Today I use something called Singulair which I take once a day and essentially makes my asthma disappear. It also mutes down all of my allergies, I can pet cats without any side effects now.

    According to the BBC, this is not an invention. That's because we had drugs before, and we have other ones today. Clearly this is not *really* any sort of progress, right? The fact that my life, and millions of others, have been utterly transformed is just an illusion!

    1. Re:Sensational indeed by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yeah what defines an invention in the eyes of some of the media differs considerably from invention really is - a slow, incremental process of discovery. When these guys think of an inventor they see Doc Brown, not teams of researchers, scientists, and engineers working for decades. Battery life is another one, it has been increasing steadily year on year, but because manufacturers use these advances to put smaller and slimmer batteries into phones, some people think batteries haven't improved at all, or have somehow gotten worse.

    2. Re:Sensational indeed by amiga3D · · Score: 0

      I see what you're saying. Your life has greatly improved because of the perfection of Ashthma medication. Is that drug really a breakthrough though or just an improvement of an existing line? This is like nuclear power plants. They make power exactly the same way that coal plants do. They boil water. We still, all these years later just boil water. Only the fuel has changed.

    3. Re:Sensational indeed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Today I use something called Singulair which I take once a day and essentially makes my asthma disappear. It also mutes down all of my allergies, I can pet cats without any side effects now.

      but but but but, drug companies are evil almost as evil as Bill Gates!

      According to the BBC, this is not an invention. That's because we had drugs before, and we have other ones today. Clearly this is not *really* any sort of progress, right? The fact that my life, and millions of others, have been utterly transformed is just an illusion!

      Yeah, advances in robotics to the point where prostetics can be almost convincing instead of just a hook, advances in data storage and rerieval fields so that each second I am wasting more computational potential than existed in artifical form on earth in 1989, [sarcasm]clearly inventing stopped completely with the invention of the TV remote control.[/sarcasm]

      Added humor, my capcha was "inhaler"

    4. Re:Sensational indeed by kcurtis · · Score: 1
      Agreed.

      Then there is this: "the iPhone was not a new invention - it was just a much better telephone than any we'd seen before." Hogwash. Sure, we call it a telephone, but it is as different as shouting is from a landline, and it uses a crap-ton of new materials, software, imaging and wireless innovations - many of which did not exist 15 years ago.

    5. Re:Sensational indeed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just hundreds of thousands at best.
      Because of the broken IP laws, most of the people of the world will need to wait another few decades until they get that drug as easy as you do. Take me for instance, my problem isn't as bad as you describe, but that drug, or anything similar isn't available in my country. And if it is, then I would probably need to rob a bank to pay for it.

      There are plenty new inventions, in fact the rate accelerated even more since the internet gained even more importance, but the author is mentally stuck in the past, probably expecting some more ground breaking inventions like the steam engine. News flash, it took decades before it was turned from an insane idea to a practical reality. Same thing today.

    6. Re:Sensational indeed by jadv · · Score: 1

      What about nanotechnology (just to mention an example off the top of my head)? Does that fit into the BBC's definition of "Invention?" What about stem cell research?

    7. Re:Sensational indeed by tilante · · Score: 1

      Wind and solar are both coming up quickly, though, and neither of those relies on boiling water.

    8. Re:Sensational indeed by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      In ancient times, I could communicate with my relatives in another state with a big clunky phone with a dial. Now, I can communicate from a tiny phone that I can carry with me. By voice, text, email, social media, etc. But it's still just communication.

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    9. Re:Sensational indeed by Maury+Markowitz · · Score: 1

      "Your life has greatly improved because of the perfection of Ashthma medication"

      Well, *improvement*. I'm sure there will be even better ones in the future.

      "Is that drug really a breakthrough though or just an improvement of an existing line"

      It is a completely new drug. It works on a different biochemical pathway in the body, specifically the cysteinyl leukotriene pathways. Older drugs generally worked along eosinophil lines, or in the case of "anti-attack" medications, by triggering beta-epinephrine which causes a reaction that offsets the *symptoms* without actually doing anything to the underlying cause.

      If the BBC thinks there are no completely new inventions, they are utterly confused about the topic. As we speak there are millions and millions of people around the world working on *completely new* stuff. Like my Singulair example, many of these are due to development from pure science.

      Take the LED light bulb for instance. The LED is utterly new and novel. It does not work in any way like any previous light source used by man. Period. Saying it's a "light source" and so it's not new denigrates everyone and everything that the modern world is based on.

    10. Re:Sensational indeed by lxs · · Score: 1

      True, but PDA/mobile phone hybrids were around long before the iphone so still not a new invention.

    11. Re:Sensational indeed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are 25 million people with asthma in the US alone. Being that singulair is currently one of the top medications for treating asthma in the US, it wouldn't surprise me to learn that 8% of asthmatics use it. That would be 2 million people in the US alone. I have absolutely not doubt that millions of people around the world are using it, regardless of whether or not your particular country has it available.

    12. Re:Sensational indeed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah what defines an invention in the eyes of some of the media differs considerably from invention really is - a slow, incremental process of discovery. When these guys think of an inventor they see Doc Brown, not teams of researchers, scientists, and engineers working for decades. Battery life is another one, it has been increasing steadily year on year, but because manufacturers use these advances to put smaller and slimmer batteries into phones, some people think batteries haven't improved at all, or have somehow gotten worse.

      Not only are batteries getting smaller, but they are powering much more sophisticated and powerful devices. There has been a huge leap in power efficiency.

    13. Re:Sensational indeed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      true but the iphone actually came late in the game and there were many other cell phones that it is was only a small improvement over just like the cell phones today are a small improvement over the iphone and other cell phones of that time.

    14. Re:Sensational indeed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Something is not worthy to be called "innovative" unless it would not have been "common sense" to anyone versed in the problem domain and given the same problem.

      This rarely happens. Most "innovations" these days are "common sense", but required many other dependent technologies to align.

    15. Re:Sensational indeed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you suggesting we just use up all the energy and have no need to store it ?

    16. Re:Sensational indeed by tehcyder · · Score: 1
      Your life hasn't been transformed because some genius in a white coat and funny hair suddenly invented "Singulair" in his home lab. That's all anyone's saying.

      Of course there has been progress. It's just that individuals and companies shouldn't be allowed to pretend anything they do is their own work. It's all collaborative and iterative. It's why the "IP" system is so fucked up.

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    17. Re:Sensational indeed by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      It is a completely new drug. It works on a different biochemical pathway in the body, specifically the cysteinyl leukotriene pathways. Older drugs generally worked along eosinophil lines, or in the case of "anti-attack" medications, by triggering beta-epinephrine which causes a reaction that offsets the *symptoms* without actually doing anything to the underlying cause.

      And so how many people have worked on discovering "crysteinyl leukotriene pathways"? How much testing of different biochemical pathways has been done, over what period of time?

      What it comes down to is that the eureka/light bulb moment perception of invention is wrong, which is what TFA is saying. There is iterative innovation, which no one would deny.

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  10. I have an invention... by awptic · · Score: 1

    A moon dust rover :)

    how about using the dust on the moon as rocket fuel? imagine this... blast dust downward underneath the rover, and kick up more dust. use the dust you kick-up as more rocket fuel.

    1. Re:I have an invention... by awptic · · Score: 1

      i mean to say better...

      blast dust downward and you'll get dust to kick up like throwing sand at sand. then have it caught in your typhoon and blast some backwards to move forward too.

    2. Re:I have an invention... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i mean to say better...

      blast dust downward and you'll get dust to kick up like throwing sand at sand. then have it caught in your typhoon and blast some backwards to move forward too.

      Oh, so like throwing a stick up in the air, and then using it to climb like a ladder. Brilliant idea, not a free energy crank though at all.

      If you have gas to throw the dust, why not just use the gas?

      If not, why not use the energy needed to move the dust to move the rover directly?

  11. What is an invention? by gandalfur · · Score: 1, Funny

    "...iPhone was not a new invention - it was just a much better telephone than any we'd seen before." And the light bulb was just a much better way to light up the room...

    1. Re:What is an invention? by dywolf · · Score: 2

      Easy question:

      The iphone is fundamentally still a wireless telephone, and outgrowth of both telephone and radio technology, and it could be argued electronics as well. Perhaps the pinnacle of such tech, but still a derivation.

      The light bulb however was not still a candle, but fundamentally different using a completely different basis in science/engineering, different from anything that had come before it.

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    2. Re:What is an invention? by anarcobra · · Score: 2

      A light bulb is just a glowing piece of metal in a ball of glass.

    3. Re:What is an invention? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The light bulb is probably a bad example considering variations of it were around 70+ years before it was commercialized (i.e. about the time Edison is given credit for finding a practical version). Even then, it was just based on the idea hot things glowed and electricity made things hot, waiting for a strong enough source of electrical batteries to work.

    4. Re:What is an invention? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That doesn't mean "the electric light bulb" wasn't a fantastic invention in its own right, no matter who first made one, or who finally made a practical one.

      For that matter, the candle itself was a fantastic invention, even though it is just burning something. Making a stable, storable, cheap source of light is more than just throwing another log on the fire, so to speak.

    5. Re:What is an invention? by dywolf · · Score: 1

      Which is fundamentally different from a piece of cotton soaked in a fuel and ignited. Ergo, different physics, different science. Revolution vs evolution. The light bulb was a revolution. The iphone is evolution.

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    6. Re:What is an invention? by bws111 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I am pretty sure that people were aware that hot things glow long before Edison came along (we had been working with iron for a few millenia by then). And I am pretty sure that people working with electricity were aware that a current produces heat. And I am pretty sure that putting a glass globe around hot things was pretty much standard practice. So what did Edison really do? He found, through experimentation, the right material that could sustain the heat without being destroyed in the process.

      So how is that process of experimenting and finding the right material a 'major invention', but experimenting and finding the right material to make a very thin but powerful battery 'nothing major'? Why are the thousands of 'minor' inventions that make up a cell phone 'not invention', but a lamp filament is?

    7. Re:What is an invention? by dywolf · · Score: 1

      I didnt specify the Edison one as I knew he wasnt the first to do it, simply the first to do it well. So i left it as simply teh concept of the light bulb, using electricy and essentially a resistor (before the concept was known as such) as being fundamentally different from combustion based light sources (candles, gas lamps, etc) that preceded it.

      Many times inventions are like that...someone does it first, but its crude or not practical or otherwise ignored, then someone else says "well lets just tweak this one thing..." and boom! It takes off. The steam engine is another example of that. Watts gets all the credit, perhaps rightly, for a revolutionary new device. Even though he did all he could to hinder innovation and his version frankly, sucked compared to what actually became known as the steam engine. It wasnt until his patent expired that people could modify it, solving efficiency and safety problems along the way, into the practical device that triggered the industrial revolution.

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    8. Re:What is an invention? by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      A fire is just glowing pieces of wood. Some materials work better than others.
      A candle is just a glowing piece of cotton. Some materials work better than others.
      A light bulb is just a glowing piece of metal. Some materials work better than others.

      How is that a revolution?

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    9. Re:What is an invention? by w_dragon · · Score: 1

      We can say the light bulb was revolutionary now, since we can see the result, but I'll bet at the time it would have been reasonable to view it as just the logical extension of scientists playing with electricity, which they had been doing for some time at that point. It's not like everyone switched from candles to lightbulbs overnight, it would have taken quite some time. While the switch was happening people probably discounted the light bulb as not being good enough, needing electricity that many people didn't have, burning out too quickly, broken glass being dangerous, etc.
      If you want something recent on the same scale look at GPS. It was first deployed less than 20 years ago, and only now have most industries that rely on location data made the switch to using it as the primary source of location data. We probably have inventions today that are going to obviously be huge, revolutionary inventions in 10 years, but it's nearly impossible to tell which inventions will end up being important until everyone already relies on them.

    10. Re:What is an invention? by tilante · · Score: 1

      Speaking of light generation... how about fluorescent lights? Those work on a fundamentally different principle than incandescents. And LEDs, which work in yet a different way? Granted, to the end user, they don't seem that different - but that's because of a large engineering effort that's been put forth to allow them to be packaged in a way that lets them easily replace incandescent lights.

      Thinking about it, it seems to me that a big difference in modern innovation is backwards-compatibility. When electrical power generation and electric lighting were first being introduced, there was no installed base of any sort - before that, all power generation had been local, and only fuel was distributed. Now, though, there's a huge installed base, and new technologies need to be able to integrate into that. Thus, while the original electric light bulbs (and later on, fluorescent tubes) looked like something new, newer light bulbs don't look that different.

      In the same way, when the first automobiles were introduced, there wasn't the existing infrastructure of paved roads, parking lots, etc. that we have today. Now that we have all those things, new types of automobiles have to be able to work with what we have, which limits the degree of innovation possible, and makes new cars look a lot like the old ones, even if their internal operation is fundamentally different. Electric cars are designed to look and operate like our existing gas-powered cars as much as possible - so if you're not driving one yourself, you may not even notice the growing numbers of them around.

      There's also conservatism. Not the political kind - the kind that makes people say "X has worked well enough my whole life, why don't we just keep it?" Look at the resistance many people show to changing to LED and fluorescent bulbs. Yes, there are disadvantages - but there were disadvantages to switching to electrical light in general. Instead of having an oil lamp you could easily move around, you have one with a cord that had to be plugged in. And you had to have your whole house turned upside down to install all that wiring. And having all that wiring installed cost a lot. And then you had to pay money every month to the electric company. The same with cars - a good horse learned the way, but a car couldn't. And people could feed their horses from their family farm - they didn't have to go buy expensive, smelly, dangerous gasoline. And if your horse was sick, you could tell - you didn't have to worry about it suddenly dying on you halfway home for no apparent reason.

      Heck, my dad doesn't use email, or have a mobile phone. Doesn't need them, he says. And he's right - he has almost seventy-five years of experience in getting along without them. From his point of view, they're more trouble than they're worth. Great for other people, who need them for something, but not for him.

      People see the disadvantages in new technologies, while they've become accustomed to the disadvantages of those they're used to. Combine that with the fact that the external forms of new technologies aren't as different as they were in the past, and it's natural that people think innovation has stopped.

    11. Re:What is an invention? by 0a100b · · Score: 1

      The light bulb is probably seen as a symbol for electric lighting, which was of course much more revolutionary than the iPhone.

    12. Re:What is an invention? by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Yet, just like the iPhone, relied on a lot of previous inventions to be put together just right.

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    13. Re:What is an invention? by coldsalmon · · Score: 1

      So how is that process of experimenting and finding the right material a 'major invention', but experimenting and finding the right material to make a very thin but powerful battery 'nothing major'? Why are the thousands of 'minor' inventions that make up a cell phone 'not invention', but a lamp filament is?

      Because the author of TFA does not understand how invention actually happens.

    14. Re:What is an invention? by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      That doesn't mean "the electric light bulb" wasn't a fantastic invention in its own right, no matter who first made one, or who finally made a practical one.

      Same can be said of the iPhone.

    15. Re:What is an invention? by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      The light bulb however was not still a candle, but fundamentally different using a completely different basis in science/engineering, different from anything that had come before it.

      No, the Edison light bulb was not completely different. Much like the iPhone, it was just an outgrowth of products that were already there but one that could be made commercially successful. Edison did not create the lightbulb, merely discovered a different filament material that made it possible to use as a commercially practical lightbulb.

  12. How would they know? by roman_mir · · Score: 5, Insightful

    AFAIC there are plenty of inventions, most people aren't noticing them because these things today are much more specialised in nature. What they are really looking for and can't find is huge, gigantic breakthroughs, an antigravity device or perpetuum mobile of some sort. They can't see what is not immediately obvious, and what is not immediately obvious does not become a stand alone product in its own right.

    I even disagree with the supposed lack of 'cross-sector innovation'. There is probably more cross-sector innovation today than ever before in history, that's because the Inernet allows people to read about solutions that are found and used in other sectors and apply those to themselves. What this guy, Paul Martin says, is that there is "no recognition". Well, shit, that's the only thing I agree with: there is no recognition.

    Well sure there is no recognition, and he is the first to lack vision to recognise just how much 'cross sector innovation' is actually happening today compared to decades and centuries ago.

    1. Re:How would they know? by jeffmeden · · Score: 1

      AFAIC there are plenty of inventions, most people aren't noticing them because these things today are much more specialised in nature. What they are really looking for and can't find is huge, gigantic breakthroughs, an antigravity device or perpetuum mobile of some sort. They can't see what is not immediately obvious, and what is not immediately obvious does not become a stand alone product in its own right.

      This is it exactly. One of the recent (and yes, hyped) inventions that sprang to mind was the Segway. Was it a really novel combination of a number of advanced technologies (batteries, gyros, sensors, etc.)? Yes, to me that qualifies as the very definition of invention; taking advanced discoveries and combining them in a unique way. Did it change many lives? Probably not (unless you are in the guided tour business.) The simple fact is that we in the developed world have it pretty damn good. We don't "need" any more inventions to make our lives easier, we have plentiful food, water, shelter, and entertainment available to even the lower classes. Sure, we want cool new inventions, and there is probably even a place where they are "needed", but the "age of invention" in the early 20th century happened because life was shitty.

    2. Re:How would they know? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Novel or not, the Segway has changed my life. My choices before the Segway were to either walk to the bathroom or urinate in a bottle between TV commercials. Now I ride in style.

    3. Re:How would they know? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Similarly, in the 1960s we had plenty of food, water, shelter, and entertainment available to pretty much everybody with a real job, at least in the US. If that was what drove invention, why didn't it tail off then?

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    4. Re:How would they know? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Similarly, in the 1960s we had plenty of food, water, shelter, and entertainment available to pretty much everybody with a real job, at least in the US. If that was what drove invention, why didn't it tail off then?

      The Cold War, mainly.

      I think it is arguable that if the US had felt no existential threat from the USSR (or anyone else), it would happily have trundled along after the Second World War at 1950s tech levels, with only slow technological advancements in terms of publicly available goods like cars or refrigerators..

      But once the race to stay ahead in the rocket game led to smaller computers, transistors and so on that all sort of leaked out into the public domain.

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  13. "Are There Any Real Inventors Left?" by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

    Yes. Quit expecting to see real inventions among heavily-marketed consumer products, though.

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  14. People are products of the times by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It usually takes a great mind or minds to create something great, but they have to be nurtured in a society or subculture and given positive or negative feedback every step of the way, at least until they're 40 years old or something.

    Agree that not much has been invented in IT for the last 30 years. But now robotics are entering into the age that computers entered into in the '50s and '60s, and nanotech isn't too far behind.

  15. Good question... by kiriath · · Score: 2

    While I have no real facts to back this up, I would think that the innovative process requires new materials to create new ideas. Through the ages we learned and invented as we discovered new metals and other materials. I am betting that when / if we do discover some new materials in significant quantities that are useful we'll come up with new uses for them.

    So when someone comes out with transparent steel or something I'll be able to invent some cool stuff.

    I also feel like science fiction movies have sort of spoiled the 'wow' factor of a good majority of innovations. "Great, so you made a cell phone. It's not a communicator I can wear on my shirt... and talk to outer space with" - That's a rough example but it is an illustration of the point I was trying to convey.

  16. inventions lead to lawsuits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    who can afford to invent?

    1. Re:inventions lead to lawsuits by pudknocker · · Score: 1

      AI attorneys! That would save people and businesses some money. I'll get right on it.

    2. Re:inventions lead to lawsuits by pudknocker · · Score: 1

      Wait, I'm sure all the human attorneys will find a reason to sue me before my AI defense attorney has passed the bar! Never mind.

  17. Innovation is waning? Don't think so! by jiriw · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To start with the actual lightbulbs: High yield white light LED technology. Sure, the photoelectric effect has been known for about a century. It took a while for the first practical applications to be available. LEDs being one of them. But you can't compare those little signalling LEDs of a few decades ago with the current lightbulb replacing LED technology. Of course this technology is a mix of other technologies, but quite a few of them are quite recent (as in max. decades old, not centuries).

    The article mentions the Telephone as a truly innovative invention. But doesn't that in its turn used microphone, speaker and signal transportation technology of that time?

    If the time frame for 'recent' is 'last half century' or so, I'd say there have been true inventions in, optical disk technology, various microprocessor advancements, nanotechnology, artificial intelligence hardware, gene manipulation, solar cell technology and various other fields. Too many to mention.
    If algorithms can be inventions as well, we have never been as innovative as we are now. Look at all the new search technologies, data-mining for targeted ads, again AI algorithms, mostly visible to the general public in computer games, audio and video compression codecs, speech recognition, synthesis and language translation... the list goes on and on...

    1. Re:Innovation is waning? Don't think so! by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      For LEDs there have been many iterations.

      First of all of course the photoelectric effect itself. That I think can be seen as the main discovery that led to the LEDs as we have them now - the discovery of the mere existence of the effect, and then why and how it works. When that was understood, researchers could start to target materials that would potentially give light, and in various wavelengths.

      The first LEDs were red, as the lower the frequency, the easier it gets, especially to get brightness. Yellow followed soon, green was trickier but human eyes helped a lot: we're so much more sensitive to green light than to red light that you don't need as much actual brightness to make it look just as bright.

      And then after a long long wait finally we got blue LEDs that were actually bright as well, those were really tricky to make. That's just a few years, maybe a decade ago. And that was when white LEDs almost immediately followed, as a white LED is basically a red, a green and a blue LED in one package.

    2. Re:Innovation is waning? Don't think so! by Megane · · Score: 1

      And that was when white LEDs almost immediately followed, as a white LED is basically a red, a green and a blue LED in one package.

      Actually, most white LEDs are a blue LED with yellow phosphor on top. An R+G+B LED can become almost any color, which is great for signs and mood lighting, but is really pretty crappy for general lighting because of the monochromatic nature of LEDs.

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    3. Re:Innovation is waning? Don't think so! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      interestingly enough, many of the new white leds are actually just blue leds + phosphor, the blue light excites phosphor which emits light in the yellow spectrum

      http://www.lrc.rpi.edu/programs/nlpip/lightinganswers/led/whiteLight.asp

    4. Re:Innovation is waning? Don't think so! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except the really bright white LEDs used for lighting typically don't have any emitter other than a really efficient blue or near UV. They owe their effectiveness to optimized phosphorescent materials (previously used for florescent lighting and things like CRTs) which re-emit absorbed blue or UV light as other colors and techniques for optimizing light emission per given unit of surface area.

      But yeah, the tech for really efficient and intense blue LEDs combined and further developed with phosphorescent materials are what made the bright white LEDs possible.

      I guess the neat thing is that it shouldn't be too long now before we have these as primary lights in cars and appliances that are expected to last the life of whatever they're built into. People in the (near) future will rarely ever get to change a lightbulb.

    5. Re:Innovation is waning? Don't think so! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nearly all white LEDs are ultra-violet LEDs with a phosphor coating that absorbs the UV and then emits white light (usually yellow and blue spectral peaks), just like a fluorescent bulb. The trick was getting that really short wavelength out of the LED, and getting better phosphorescent materials specialized for the application.

  18. Yes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Betteridge's law of headlines notwithstanding, I think there are definitely inventors. They're called "people that create amazing things but typically don't patent them, don't sell them, and don't sue people who later 'invent' them".

    Sure, these people don't create elevators but they create amazing things. Heck, even the patent-filing people create useful things. Simply look at medical devices. Yes, a lot of them are improvements on prior models - scissors and knives mostly - but look at minimally invasive spine surgical equipment or hip replacements? Stents and abilities to inject medicine directly to the affected area. Heck, even breast implants have dramatically improved. What about HDD->SSD? Slow, power hungry, prone to physical failure to fast, efficient, and stable. SSD itself has come a long way in a short time.

    What about inventions related to politics? Use of social media, Internet in general, fund raising, grassroots activism that leads to real world changes (for better or worse).

    People keep thinking about the light bulb when they think of inventions but it doesn't work like that. I consider technology more like evolution - a gradual process of change with some spurts here and there. Even the iPhone is an example of that - we've had phones before, phones that go online, and phones that have touch screen capabilities, but then you have the iPhone which dramatically changed the landscape (again, for better or worse). Heck, look at CGI technology, look at space exploration (now open to private business!). Look at the knowledge gained in automation and machinery, DNA sequencing, even healthcare (AIDS used to be a major killer).

    I'm sure this article could have been written centuries ago when the tallest structures were still the pyramids. If people are complaining about lack of flying cars or personal jet packs, they need to open their eyes wider. It's just that R&D money often goes to funding things we know in the same way movie industry keeps pumping out the same movies. But that doesn't mean there aren't unique stories being written by amateurs.

  19. The monitary system by HyperQuantum · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Most people don't have time to be creative and invent new things. They spend 8 hours a day doing what someone else is telling them to do. All because you need money just to live.

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    1. Re:The monitary system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most people don't have time to be creative and invent new things. They spend 8 hours a day doing what someone else is telling them to do. All because you need money just to live.

      Too bad there's only 8 hours in a day, and you can't think about anything else while working.

    2. Re:The monitary system by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      Most people were NEVER inventive, regardless of their environment. For every Tom Edison, there were a thousand Herbert Lumpkins (just to pull a random name out my, um), lost in the bowels of history because, well, they didn't do anything special. Luckily for humanity there were, and presumably still are, enough Edisons to keep us moving forward.

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    3. Re:The monitary system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gosh! I can't figure out how that works, I've already worked 8 whole hours today! If I don't sit down I may even start to perspire

    4. Re:The monitary system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Edison paid others to do the work for him. You are arguing his point. Most people don't invent because they are too busy doing what the person that paid the bills told them to do. It just so happens that Edison paid people to invent things and took the patent, credit, and fame for himself alone.

    5. Re:The monitary system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Without money, you would be too busy either bartering or doing everything yourself. In fact, money permits both the rich and poor to loaf about all day. The poor can live off the pittances of society and the rich can live off of savings or inheritance. Also, your day has 16 more hours you failed to mention plus there are weekends with 48 hours!

      What sucks my time: paperwork (taxes, expense reports) and people who can't do for themselves.

  20. One word: FLESHLIGHT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There haven't been any new inventions lately? Pshaw!

    1. Re: One word: FLESHLIGHT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And they say there are no more heroes.

  21. How about Dean Kamen? by dkleinsc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Some of the inventions to his name:
    - the Segway
    - the iBot wheelchair, capable of climbing stairs
    - a home dialysis machine
    - an insulin pump to help diabetics maintain a proper level
    - a low-power water purifier for use in developing countries

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    1. Re:How about Dean Kamen? by mark_reh · · Score: 1

      This is the problem with the press. Dean Kamen gets credit for "inventing" the Segway and other items, but, like Edison, he had an army of engineers actually designing and solving the problems in the thing. Since all those folks were in his employ, his name goes on the patents, not theirs. He's more of a manager and financier than an inventor. The stupid press wants to say Kamen invented it because naming one person perpetuates the myth of the mad genius inventor toiling away day and night in a garage or basement, which is how stupid people think invention is done.

    2. Re:How about Dean Kamen? by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      Dean Kamen's first invention, a wearable infusion pump, was something he came up with while a college undergrad entirely on his own, and he then developed a line of medical products based on that. He's definitely involved in the technical work that goes on at his company, even if he doesn't do it all himself.

      I've actually met Kamen on several occasions, because I grew up about 3 miles from his company's office. He's a science geek first, and a businessman second, and puts a huge amount of enthusiasm and effort into not only his own research but in science education.

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    3. Re:How about Dean Kamen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some of the inventions to his name:
      - the Segway
      - the iBot wheelchair, capable of climbing stairs
      - a home dialysis machine
      - an insulin pump to help diabetics maintain a proper level
      - a low-power water purifier for use in developing countries

      Why, those are nothing but odd combinations of electric motors, wheels, pumps, and tubes. Nothing new there!

    4. Re:How about Dean Kamen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dean Kamen gets credit for "inventing" the Segway and other items, but, like Edison, he had an army of engineers actually designing and solving the problems in the thing.

      That's parallelization - it's how you get around that pesky limit of "there are only 24 hours in a day".

  22. Misreading leads to misleading. by DerekLyons · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The BBC is running a story about invention and innovation, suggesting that there have been no truly new inventions in a long time.

    Well, no. The story is about innovation, invention is just barely mentioned - and that in passing. The bulk of the story is about innovations, cross pollination between industries and fields, and how innovations build on previous iterations. All of this leading up to opinion (unsurprisingly, since it's an opinion piece, not a "story" per se) that industries must avoid becoming insular to avoid being left behind. (Though it appears by "industries", it appears he actually means "British corporations".)
     

    It leads to the question: what are the most recent things you can think of that have been actual, new inventions? Or has the high-tech revolution just been iterative innovation?"

    Well, setting aside the fact that you've mistaken a supporting statement for a thesis... Why does it matter? Arguably, iterative innovation is every bit as important as invention. Progress is as much about the measured steps as it is about giant leaps.

  23. Inventors don't go public anymore. by JustAnotherIdiot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The reason you don't "see" any inventors is because of the massive hoard of lawyers that would come after any public inventor.
    People who invent tend to keep it to themselves, because they'd never turn a profit after all the lawsuits.

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    1. Re:Inventors don't go public anymore. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      THIS THIS THIS, EXACTLY THIS!

      I mean, I'm sure I'm nowhere even remotely close to unique, but I've either invented dozens of my own little things that perform tasks... just random things that simply don't exist in stores or anywhere (unless perhaps in the possession of others like me). I've modified probably a good quarter of everything that I own (excluding clothes, food, etc... just the interesting things) to improve it, or otherwise have it work better for my particular want.

      But will I, or anyone like me, ever tell anyone EVER about our inventions? HELL NO! What do I look like, an idiot begging to have all of his money, now and forever, stripped from myself through the courts? I obviously can't guarantee it, but if recent news and history are any indication, there's exactly zero percent chance that I won't be sued into oblivion by patent trolls or other companies that make a living off of thousands of vague patents.

      So I have the following options:
      1. Keep my invention to myself, and entertaining or otherwise helping my direct friends who see said invention.
      2. Attempt to share my idea with the world, but be punished with poverty and misery for the remainder of my life for doing so.

      Hmm... gee, decisions, decision, which one should I choose.

      Oohh, oohh, I know, how about the one that DOESN'T ruin my life.

    2. Re:Inventors don't go public anymore. by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      How about share your idea anonymously? Or is that not what you had in mind?

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  24. You just need to know where to look by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 5, Informative

    People like this are the modern day inventors.

    [0] - http://makerfaire.com/
    [1] - http://makerspace.com/
    [2] - http://www.instructables.com/index

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    1. Re:You just need to know where to look by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dicking around with an arduino is hardly inventing.

  25. BBC wrong by it's own measure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    "Real" invention: Graham Bell and the Telephone. Never mind the ~30 years of inventions that came before it, including the one where the term Telephone even comes from (Reis anyone?). Stupid.

    And then they speak of Apple and the Iphone because, supposedly, everyone believes that was some sort of great invention and not merely a very well executed idea that had already existed before.

    Weak and sad.

  26. Is society in decline? by concealment · · Score: 1

    Yes.

    Remember the book War of the Worlds? In it, what ultimately kept the aliens at bay were the same diseases that plague us.

    It turns out that we needed predators, new adventures, challenges, struggles and discomforts to stay motivated.

    Instead, we have Big Macs and Netflix, and we keep shuffling the same technologies around and trying to build an economy on selling the result to each other and then taxing it...

    1. Re:Is society in decline? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It turns out that we needed predators, new adventures, challenges, struggles and discomforts

      and then taxing it...

      I think you just inadvertently pointed out this age's predator to be overcome.

  27. A few. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, but most of the are Scotsmen.

  28. Patents and inventions by ColdCat · · Score: 2

    There is more and more patents every year, so there should be many new inventions no ?
    j/k

  29. Not even 3D Printers? by sandytaru · · Score: 1

    I'm pretty sure the ability to create a real, physical object based on a series of 1s and 0s in a file is worthy of being called an invention. Sure, you could consider it an "improvement" on the printing press, but things like the MakerBot are really something unique on their own.

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    1. Re:Not even 3D Printers? by sandytaru · · Score: 1

      And just after I post this, Slashdot gets a story about a mechanical prosthetic hand made for a 5 year old child from a 3D printer. Yup.

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  30. Not this again by Fireshadow · · Score: 1

    There is nothing new under the sun but there are lots of old things we don't know.
    Ambrose Bierce

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  31. MEDICINE by schneidafunk · · Score: 1

    There have been some massive breakthroughs in the medical field in the last few years and most recently, a possible cure for AIDS and cancer.

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    1. Re:MEDICINE by Skiron · · Score: 1

      But these are not inventions, nor really innovations - just 'discovery' of something that changes/fixes 'x' or 'y' (or leads to the fix).

    2. Re:MEDICINE by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      No. Many of the new advances in medicine are things like custom tailored antibodies, gene therapies and various other things that are specifically designed, using our ever advancing ability to manipulate biological systems. There are still a few medically useful compounds that are "discovered" in a rainforest or something, but many of the breakthrough treatments today are designed, i.e. invented.

    3. Re:MEDICINE by schneidafunk · · Score: 1

      Yes, for example in the link I posted above, they reprogrammed the HIV virus to kill cancer cells.

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    4. Re:MEDICINE by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      And your other link is to a tailored protein that interferes with HIV's ability to replicate. Both clearly inventions in any reasonable sense of the word.

  32. Three sorts of invention. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Firstly, you have the big concept.

    This would be things like the wheel, fencing livestock to control grazing and protect from predators, a means of talking to people at a distance.

    These sort of ideas recurr throughout history.

    They only become usefully possible at a given level of technology.

    If you want to make a telephone in 1300BC - you're at best limited to speaking tubes.

    Then you have the second sort of invention - this is to take a newly developed process or technology - say for example impact extrusion - and realise it can be applied to revolutionise your existing product - making metal shells for phones and other devices that are much stronger and lighter than previous ones.

    Finally there is the third sort - where you take existing or near term technology, and put it together in a novel, unobvious way.

    In some ways, I'd only call the third 'invention'.
    The first is unrealisable because of cost - the second is just driven through obvious application of process or component improvements.

    The third is also the hardest to think of examples of.
    In general, it would be first designs of their class.
    For example, the Wright Flyer, Stephensons Rocket, the Newcomen steam engine.

    The iphone wasn't really an invention.
    It was the coming together of lots of technologies advancing so as to make a personal computing/telephony device plausible at a reasonable cost in the form factor.
    The Sony Walkman wasn't really an invention - it was a clever packaging of existing technologies.
    It is hard to call any personal computer an invention, simply as there is pretty much an unbroken chain back to the first digital computers, and all improvements have been strictly obvious from the available technology.

  33. What about the wheel? by Sir+or+Madman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The wheel. Now that was a real invention!

    50,000 BCE - Tree dies and log rolls down hill to the bewilderment of the filthy cave-people nearby.

    35,000 BCE - A lunatic Neanderthal pushes a log down a hill to crush his enemies.

    3500 BCE - Someone eventually figures out that you can use a bunch of rolling logs side-by-side to move boulders.

    3000 BCE - A slave engineer from North Africa narrows the points of a rack of logs to attached a guide so they stay together whilst rolling.

    40 BCE - Some Roman stone mason makes a log out of stone and more disc-shaped.

    2 BCE - And finally, some brilliant -real- inventor pokes a hole in an old stone log and sticks a wooden log inside as an axle, probably so he can better lash someone to it for a good flogging.

    We just don't have -real- inventions anymore like the wheel!

    1. Re:What about the wheel? by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 1

      Even more interesting, is that there was a whole lot more to the usefulness of a wheel, than the invention of the wheel.

      Take a look here:

      Basically it talks about how the wheel as an invention wasn't all that useful until advances in civilazation made it possible for the wheel to be more useful than the sledge, or for carpentry and metallurgy to advance to a stage where the axle could last long enough that you could get a return on your labor investment making the wheel vs building a travois in a fraction of the cost.

      Basically, the earlier invention, the travois, was just better than the wheel until 'late' in human history, and until cities/permanent villages were established, wheels were costly to build, broke easily, and generally useless.

      Travois could be built with two poles and some rope. A wheel required multiple specialized craftsmen to build all the components. Those craftsmen did not even exist until humans were able to specialize, and humans couldn't specialize until civilization advanced to the point where specializing in carpentry didn't mean that your family starved because your fields were untended.

      The travois was better than a cart on almost any surface other than paved or high quality roads. High quality roads did not exist until there was a need for roads, and there wasn't a need for roads until permanent villages began trading with each other. Before then, hauling anything meant that you would be crossing rough terrain, and rough terrain made wooden/stone wheels useless, thus the travois prevailed.

      The travois could be easily repaired, and was 'incrementally upgraded' as technology increased. Originally it was two saplings lashed together, later you saw specifically hewn poles, and after that they became reinforced with metal, and cloth. So until roads made larger carts possible (and longer lasting), the travois was superior. Even for a while, until the merchants needed even larger loads, a travois and a cart were on mostly even terms.

      It's an interesting story, and one that is very applicable to the question of 'Why aren't things invented at the same rates at all times'. The reason being, some inventions just aren't useful unless a whole slew of other conditions and prerequisites are achieved.

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    2. Re:What about the wheel? by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 1

      Looks like I tried to use normal HTML for the link. Lets try this: Why it took so long to invent the wheel. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=why-it-took-so-long-to-inv

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    3. Re:What about the wheel? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      good article!

  34. Lost decade by michaelmalak · · Score: 1

    Usually when it is said "no new inventions" they are comparing against the flurry of activity from circa 1850-1950, and then I point out how the commercial worldwide Internet (early 1990's) and affordable cell phones (mid 1990's) fundamentally changed life. Before the 1990's cell phone, women did not go out alone at night. But this BBC article defines "recent" as "21st century" and focuses on everyone's favorite non-invention whipping boy, the iPhone.

    Well, 2001-2010, has been called the "lost decade" for Microsoft, and in my opinion was the lost decade in general for a lot of organizations, market sectors, and technology areas. 9-11 set in an economic conservatism and then the housing bubble that followed (resulting from the low interest rates that were instituted to counter that economic conservatism) misdirected a huge percentage of time and effort away from productive endeavors. And then of course the Great Recession. We're only now waking up from that 12-year sleep, and there is now a lot of exciting stuff going on.

    The BBC's article is like writing about a 17-year-old and saying, "he hasn't even gotten a diploma yet to show for all those years of schooling."

    Besides those two life-changing inventions I started out with, though, there is a third and it is more recent: the end of physical media. One could say eBooks, flash drives, DVRs, broadband, and low-priced scanners (who remembers when they used to be $5,000?) are all incremental, but taken together, they have fundamentally changed life: libraries are obsolete, and homes no longer have to devote square footage to media storage.

    1. Re:Lost decade by azadrozny · · Score: 1

      I think you are correct. Human history has been through many cycles of rapid invention and innovation, followed by periods of "calm" while people adjust to all the new technology, or just wait for something to spark the next cycle. This can be influenced by economic and social trends. The fall of Rome had a great economic impact on the world. There was little time to invent, because people we just trying to survive. The Renaissance was a period enlightenment, where people felt free to try new things and explore different concepts. The inventions of 1940's and 50's were heavily influenced by WWII and the Cold War.

      We may not be in a period of great invention (using a narrow definition of the term) but inventors (using a broad definition) are certainly hard at work, building on the work of others. You could argue that there is nothing being invented right now because society is still busy exploring some of the greater inventions and ideas of the last 60 years.

  35. Of course ... by Rambo+Tribble · · Score: 1

    ... this argument has been with us for at least a century, as well.

  36. interesting take on innovation and invention myths by mr_boodog · · Score: 0

    Yesterday, I watched this video about Apple's claims of inventions. Although it is a kick in the ass for Apple, this guy is just trying to show they need to stop harassing and taking down competitors by using the broken patent law system. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFeC25BM9E0

  37. Related: White LEDs by Iskender · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In recent years white LEDs have appeared in more and more places. After early red and even earlier weak blue LEDs, in quite a short time we went from green to blue to white indicator LEDs, and now the white ones are getting ever better.

    They're really a pretty miraculous technology: they're at least partially replacing everything from real candles to filament lamps to gas discharge lamps. They're about to unseat low pressure sodium lights as the most efficient streetlights, if they haven't already done so. Meanwhile they can still turn on and off faster than other lamps, and contain smaller amounts of toxic substances than most alternatives. They're a very science fictioney technology happening right here in real life.

    1. Re:Related: White LEDs by benjfowler · · Score: 1

      Not to mention, traffic lights.

      Somebody I know worked in local government, and I helped him with a project where we sat around working out how much power we'd save my converting a set of street lights from convention to LED bulbs. The savings were massive -- little surprise then that they're appearing everywhere.

    2. Re:Related: White LEDs by jeffmeden · · Score: 1

      In recent years white LEDs have appeared in more and more places. After early red and even earlier weak blue LEDs, in quite a short time we went from green to blue to white indicator LEDs, and now the white ones are getting ever better.

      They're really a pretty miraculous technology: they're at least partially replacing everything from real candles to filament lamps to gas discharge lamps. They're about to unseat low pressure sodium lights as the most efficient streetlights, if they haven't already done so. Meanwhile they can still turn on and off faster than other lamps, and contain smaller amounts of toxic substances than most alternatives. They're a very science fictioney technology happening right here in real life.

      There's nothing I like more than a nice white indicator LED to give me a good sense of... Meh. It's just so perfectly balanced between red-for-bad and green-for-good, that its presence is changing our world. Even the ever-affable blue led can't compare.

      But seriously, at least we are seeing white now instead of ever increasing intensities of blue. I am tired of covering up blue LEDs with tape so they don't blind me with glare.

    3. Re:Related: White LEDs by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

      Not to mention, traffic lights.

      Maybe it's just my old eyes, but I find the wicked-fast 'rise time' of LEDs in traffic lights and auto stoplights startling. To me it's actually a distraction to be startled every time someone hits their brakes. I'll probably get used to it as they become more prevalent.

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    4. Re:Related: White LEDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After early red and even earlier weak blue LEDs, in quite a short time we went from green to blue to white indicator LEDs,

      As someone who has actually picked up and read through the Digi-Key catalog multiple times over the past 25 years, I can assure you that red, orange, yellow, and yes, green LEDs have been available forever. Blue and white were the recent innovations in LEDs.

    5. Re:Related: White LEDs by lxs · · Score: 2

      That were the snot green LEDs of old. They even had pale blue LEDs cut from hideously difficult to work silicon carbide. So called "true green", bright blue and by extension white (which is a blue LED with a fluorescent coating) were an invention by one guy at Nichia in the 1990s and it is revolutionizing indoor lighting and LCD backlights.

    6. Re:Related: White LEDs by quintus_horatius · · Score: 1

      I think the heaviest driver in converting to LEDs isn't the electrical savings, but the savings in repair calls. When an incandesent bulb burns out, you have to head out and replace it pronto or else you have a non-working traffic light. When one LED in a matrix burns out, meh, you'll go check it out when 40-50% are dead.

    7. Re:Related: White LEDs by tsotha · · Score: 1

      But seriously, at least we are seeing white now instead of ever increasing intensities of blue. I am tired of covering up blue LEDs with tape so they don't blind me with glare.

      Amen, brother! My latest wireless router lights up the entire damn house with blinkety blinkety blue lights. I had to put it in a box. Did they really think this is desirable?

    8. Re:Related: White LEDs by spiralx · · Score: 1

      Mine has it's own scarf for just the same reason... it's like trying to sleep in a nightclub at full blast.

    9. Re:Related: White LEDs by benthurston27 · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't it be great if refrigeration and air conditioning could be done with semiconductors somehow? I'd love to see new air conditioners running for half the cost every 2 years.

    10. Re:Related: White LEDs by Iskender · · Score: 1

      As the sibling poster also pointed out you're confusing generations. The early blue LEDs go back further than 25 years - I believe some blue dashboard lights used to be LEDs in the early 80s.

      Also, I was specifically talking about indicator lights, not all available LEDs. Among these there has been a trend of roughly red->green->blue->white, all depending on a combination of fashion and efficiency. In the 80s a red LED often meant "powered on", but now it's quite rare.

    11. Re:Related: White LEDs by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      They're a very science fictioney technology happening right here in real life.

      You must read some fairly dull science fiction. LEDs are cool, but they're not exactly FTL travel.

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    12. Re:Related: White LEDs by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Who has a router out in the open in their house? They're not supposed to be furniture or decorative pieces. Put it in a cupboard.

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  38. Inventions look large when looking back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's a timeline of the invention of the combustion engine here: http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aacarsgasa.htm

    I'm not going to paste it in, but it stretches from 1680 to 1889 for the first gas fuelled car.

    That was 200 years of increments which in the lens of history looks like a single invention.

    When we are part of a 200-year view in the future, there will undoubtedly be a couple of "inventions" attributed to us.

  39. We stand on the shoulders of giants by big_e_1977 · · Score: 1

    Gone are the days when a sole inventor working in a garage could come up with a revolutionary new design that will change the world. All the low hanging fruit is gone. Now it is about slow incremental changes over time. One analogy is wikipedia. At the very beginning, you could easily come up with an article about a topic that nobody else there had written about. Nowadays, not so much... Your new article on wikipedia is likely to be a very obscure topic, or one created by a current event. You are more likely now to edit existing articles than to create new ones.

    1. Re:We stand on the shoulders of giants by tsotha · · Score: 1

      Gone are the days when a sole inventor working in a garage could come up with a revolutionary new design that will change the world. All the low hanging fruit is gone.

      None of that "low hanging fruit" was considered low hanging until after the fact, the way the answer to a riddle is obvious once you hear it from someone else. There's no reason to believe the universe is now devoid of low hanging fruit. Maybe we're just devoid of observant fruit pickers.

  40. The next Volta Watt Tesla ect by RobertLTux · · Score: 1

    the problem is the lack of NEW fields where you can land up having your name used for the Units of that field. That and getting into a new ar3ea (even if its related to an existing one) is a good way to be sued/criminally charged/shot by somebody.

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    1. Re:The next Volta Watt Tesla ect by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Nonsense. There are such new fields. We just tend to name our new units either after old scientists or not after anyone at all, or use already named fundamental units.

      The bit. Byte. Word. Base. Base pair. Line of Code. FLOP. SNIP. Gene.

  41. Minefield by gmuslera · · Score: 2

    Unless you are an anonymous employee on a fixed salary of a big corporation that takes the merit and profit for your inventions (where don't worth it), is just too risky to even try.

    1. Re:Minefield by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And this is why you fail. And will always be a failure. Because you choose to be.

      captcha: indeed

  42. Absurd. by MaWeiTao · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'd say progress comes in waves. Someone invents something revolutionary and then others spend decades, if not centuries, improving that technology and exploiting it to its fullest extent. That said, technology is growing increasingly complex which means that it requires the involvement of multiple people. An individual might have an ambiguous vision like a flying car, but the odds of that person along inventing the technology that would make it work is slim.

    I do think it's outrageously idiotic to suggest that we are not in a golden age of invention. The author seems to be arguing that there's no invention because we haven't been hit with big, flashy bits of technology. Progress is far more subtle than that. It's iterative and often has a long incubation period.

    Much of it isn't even noteworthy on it's own, but enables a whole host of new technologies. Look at something as mundane as manufacturing processes. If you gave an engineer in 1980 the complete schematics to a modern smartphone they wouldn't be able to build the thing. They haven't had the advances in machining and material sciences to enable that technology.

    Every few years some dolt writes an editorial complaining about how there's no real innovation because cars still require wheels or computers look kind of like typewriters. The guy who's written this particular editorial is probably being self-serving given that he represents some consultancy. But generally I think the attitude is incredibly self-centered. It's the idea that because the world hasn't met *MY* ridiculous standards there is no innovation. Because I haven't been observant enough or alive long enough to notice the fundamental impact on humanity nothing's changed.

    1. Re:Absurd. by Willuz · · Score: 1

      Absurd is an incredible understatement of the idiocy of the article. The light bulb was every bit as dependent on previous technology. Without blown glass, methods for extruding wire and countless tools it could never have been created. For Edison the tools were wire and glass. Now the tools are silicon, advanced alloys and software but they are no less of an invention because of it.

      Obviously false statements, like calling the iPhone the first touch screen phone, show the ignorance of the writer. There are plenty of brilliant people inventing amazing new creations that are clearly beyond the comprehension of the writer. I've witnessed the invention of new molecules that bind pharmaceuticals and give them new properties and delivery methods. A new molecule is obviously an invention since it's parts are only atoms, but the advanced tools allowed the construction of the molecule.

      This article certainly does not qualify as a new invention. It's just another version of Obama's "You didn't build that" ideals.

  43. Fermat's Last Theorem by justthinkit · · Score: 4, Informative
    Fermat's Last Theorem, cracked by a guy working in his attic for 7 years.

    And yes, he did innovate, a la Newton, along the way.

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  44. that didn't last long! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    earlier today you actually wrote a genuinely insightful comment that was worthy of praise, and it was moderated accordingly. then less than a half-hour later you go straight back to reciting scripture. and you wonder why you can't get your karma out of the latrine?

  45. See your own following story by lewscroo · · Score: 1
  46. Few practical inventions/innovations by pudknocker · · Score: 0
    No consumer robotics. Roomba has been around for how long?? Why do I have to wash my windows, wash my laundry, and mow my grass?
    • No advances in space travel in 50 years
    • No major aviation advances
    • Medicine has seen new inventions and innovations, but no cure for cancer.
    • No flying cars
    • Self-driving cars? Maybe, but I wonder when we will really see them. Commute to work is still a pain, probably worse than 20 years ago.
    • Construction? Buildings and infrastructure. Incremental improvement, but I don't have an integrated home control system, and few do.

      • BTW, does anyone realize it is 2013?
  47. The lone inventor is a myth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The stepwise refinement, collaboration, and remixing we see today is the way it has always been. Everything you ever learned about "Person X invented thing Y" is wrong. Such statements are made by history books to make a good story, and have no connection to reality. Edison was a smart and hard-working guy, but he didn't invent the light bulb or the phonograph out of thin air, nor did Bell the telephone, or Marconi the radio. They all played a role, hardly a unique one.

  48. Art critics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The art critics won gloriously.

    The smart thing to do when you invent something is to shut up about it. If you invent new things regularly you should probably isolate yourself from society as much as possible. Don't even bother trying to reason with people, your idea has no value in their view and that makes it worthless on their market. Your idea is most likely not as good as cold fusion. Here the general public has THOUSANDS of published replications available to them. Prominent labs, admirable scientists including Nobel prize laureates. The art skeptics have nothing to show for their criticism but look how it flourishes? haha?? What a joke??

    Your invention is not as good as this nor was it published this elaborately. It means you shouldn't even try. The Wikipedias and the James Randies of this world are not going to sign your NDA but they present themselves with authority over your work. Authority granted to them by the masses of art critics.

    I know what you must think reading this but my advice is simple: no one should subject himself to the glorious debunking parade. Keep that what is precious to you outside the grasp of nasty hobitses.

    1. Re:Art critics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or alternatively, just make sure it works, and does so cheaper than alternatives with the same specs. I've been critical of some local inventors before, but that was after inviting them to the lab, letting them set up their invention, and only finding most of the time it doesn't accomplish. "You said 10 W of power would come out, I see 5 mW... did you forget anything?" Or in a few lucky cases, it worked, but did something, but much worse than other already existing inventions. "So, it doubles the voltage... but it is much bigger and more expensive and less efficient than either a transformer or switching power supply, where are you expecting to make orders of magnitude improvement to make it competitive?" If you think that is too harsh, maybe see what an actual market thinks of something that is quantitatively short by orders of magnitude from its spec.

  49. The lone inventor is a myth by lcrocker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The stepwise refinement, collaboration, and remixing we see today is the way it has always been. Everything you ever learned about "Person X invented thing Y" is wrong. Such statements are made by history books to make a good story, and have no connection to reality. Edison was a smart and hard-working guy, but he didn't invent the light bulb or the phonograph out of thin air, nor did Bell the telephone, or Marconi the radio. They all played a role, but hardly a unique one.

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  50. invention/discovery on the grand scale .. by sundru · · Score: 2

    Would be after CERN or Fermilab make a history altering discovery ..

    1. Re:invention/discovery on the grand scale .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Discoveries don't alter history; discoveries alter the future.

  51. Very clever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trying to steal all my innovative inventions by posting on /. Nice try.

  52. Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I spotted this Slashdot headline right underneath another: "Public Domain Prosthetic Hand".

    Yeah, totally no inventors anymore.

  53. Are there any reporters left, at the BBC by TheSkepticalOptimist · · Score: 2

    Saying there are no real investors just speaks to how the BBC has become nothing more then a sensational tabloid service rather then anything to do with news. And does speak to the current state of our society in general for valuing what the BBC has to "report".

    No, you are not going to see the world's next big invention on the Dragon's Den (or Shark Tank for you Americans). Someone is not going to walk up to the panel with a solution for the world's energy crisis having worked on the problem in their garage for a couple of years. Also inventions are not just stuff you get on a cellphone or tablet.

    Where invention is happening is in laboratories with subject matter that would make the average BBC employee's head explode with its complexity and impact on society. Maybe rather then writing up some drivel about the lack of innovation and invention in the world, tour any post-graduate lab at a university for an hour.

    I would agree with one sentiment from the BBC article, there are few innovations that are readily digestible by the average human. For instance discovering the Higgs Boson particle is barely understandable by the average person. While this was a huge win in the field of physics, most people could barely understand what actually happened and few news sites could even report properly the impact it has.

    So, just because the iPhone has not introduced anything new for the last few years doesn't mean invention is dead, it just proves that news reporting is a dead art.

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    1. Re:Are there any reporters left, at the BBC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Saying there are no real investors just speaks to how the BBC has become nothing more then a sensational tabloid service rather then anything to do with news.

      Where invention is happening is in laboratories with subject matter that would make the average BBC employee's head explode with its complexity and impact on society. Maybe rather then writing up some drivel about the lack of innovation and invention in the world, tour any post-graduate lab at a university for an hour.

      So, just because the iPhone has not introduced anything new for the last few years doesn't mean invention is dead, it just proves that news reporting is a dead art.

      As is reading comprehension, apparently. This is clearly marked as a 'viewpoint' from some guy who is 'chief technology officer' at a design consultancy. In other words, it is not a news article, it was not written by a BBC employee and it was not written by a news reporter.

    2. Re:Are there any reporters left, at the BBC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You really wrote all that without bothering to read the piece? They don't talk about inventions, they talk about innovation.

    3. Re:Are there any reporters left, at the BBC by benthurston27 · · Score: 1

      I just thought, what if you could remove all the higgs bosons from steel, you could have airplane frames that float. Or maybe that's not the way it works lol.

  54. With Steve Jobs gone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No.... Sadly no!

  55. Invention creates a market, innovation refines it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Invention happens at a much more fundamental level than may be perceived by the average person. For example, establishing a new method for turning various elements into a new material, a new type of molecule, or changing the state of something which wasn't previously done in a repeatable manner. Often the basic research takes years of work...not a Eureka moment, but moments of damn, crap, shoot, F*@#k!...followed by Eureka. Invention usually utilizes invention as a base...maybe someone invents a new material that can withstand high heat, which allows caldrons to be created which allow for creating new materials that weren't possible because the caldron wasn't stable. Processing power now enables more sophisticated modeling, which allows faster iteration, which allows for more exploratory work. Why categorize work as either invention or innovation...it's all exploration...it might not work well in the market, but that's why it's all a gamble.

  56. Yep by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    There are very few, if any, human achievements that come totally by themselves, with no reliance on what came before them. Everything is iterative. Some things may be bigger leaps than others but it is all still built on earlier work, it is all derivative to an extent. I think Newton's statement to Hooke is apt "If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants."

    You hear shit like this from whiny people all the time with regards to video games ans so on. How there's nothing "new" anymore, that everything is based on something else. Of course all that really speaks of is looking at the past with rose coloured glasses, and of course ignoring the influence of other media on early video games.

    We do not live or work in a vacuum, trying to come up with things with no knowledge or reference of what else has been done. We build on what we know, and try to add to it. In science, this is EVERYTHING to how it works. It is all about discovery leading to discovery, small pieces being unlocked to slowly solve large puzzles.

    Also many of the really big things kind sneak up on you. They don't happen over night, little does, and you only notice the massive change in retrospect. The Internet is a good example. When I first got on it in 1995 it was a toy really. It was damn cool but there was little you could do with it of much utility. However that shifted and shifted until seemingly suddenly, without me really noticing, sometime in the mid to late 2000s it really matured.

    Now the Internet isn't just useful, it is vital to many things. You can do most everything online, some things you have to do online. It has become to go to place for the world's knowledge. It is just an assumed part of computing to the point that when it is out, you forget and still try to open your browser to look something up real quick because you are so used to it.

    It didn't happen overnight, but it did happen in a pretty short time really. It changed the way humans communicate, the way our data interacts. It kinda capped off the information age in a sense. It is a major change in human civilization, and most people have trouble really appreciating how different things were without it.

    You are also extremely right about preexisting technologies. Convergence, some people call it. You have to have all the other stuff ready before you can do some things. Smart phones are a great example. People have long had the idea of something like it. Heck, look at Star Trek. The idea of a handheld information/communication device is nothing new. So why did it take so long?

    Well you had to get all kinds of technology to the right state. Batteries had to be small enough and last long enough. Lithography had to advance to the point were a useful amount of CPU and memory could be jammed in there. Display technology needed to advance to where you could have a workable display in the small package. Oh and then there's the little matter of having a communications network to get data to it.

    Once we had all that? Well guess what? We got ourselves smartphones. There again is a massive shift happening right under our noses. It is quickly going from something nobody had, to something only a few had, to something everyone is getting. Internet, and as such the store of human knowledge, is now something that follows many people around everywhere, and the number grows daily.

    1. Re:Yep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am actually able to remember a world with out pagers, cell phones, smart phones, DVDs, internet, the cassette tape was not common in homes yet, and though most had TVs some still had black and white. When the home computer came along it was rare and little more than a toy compared to todays standard.

      Every once in a while I look at my teen aged kids and think stop texting, get off facebook, stop playing that stupid game, turn off the TV, and go interact with actual people and get some exercise.. before I need a forklift to get you off the couch. Some day people who have mini lifts to get them off the couch, will look back on this time... and see us as pioneers that changed the world.

       

  57. Re:interesting take on innovation and invention my by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't care much for the personalities, but the both made valid points and debunked Apple's claims.

    Cool how they did a poll on what people thought Apple invented.

  58. Morons. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are plenty of 'new' inventions in pure research, and these are iteratively moved towards consumers. The case of e-ink should be close enough to a counterexample anyway.

  59. Segway & Dyson vac. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's the Segway and Dyson Vac.

    Just looking at the Dyson Vac: its an innovation or the traditional vac, which is an innovation on the broom which has been around for centuries.

    Same applies to the Segway.

    But that doesn't mean they aren't inventions.

    Even in fine arts there's innovation: water soluble oil paints.

    Then there's that invention that the dingbat is using to propagate the misinformation: HTML.

    "There is nothing new to be discovered in physics now, All that remains is more and more precise measurement."

    Lord Kelvin

    The same applies to inventions, nobody has been so wrong.

    Perhaps this jerkwad @ the BBC is bucking for a position @ Fox News.

  60. Plenty of inventors, however... by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 2

    1) There are always diminishing returns on technology. The easy stuff gets discovered and developed first.

    2) Invention always starts as an individual with an idea. Current employee contract law guarantees that benefits of a new invention go to corporate entities instead of the individual, thus short-circuiting the reward process for invention at the start.

    3) Patent trolls can successfully shake down real inventors via litigation. Larger corporations can shrug this off. Individuals and small businesses can't.

    You want invention? Purge the parasites and parasitic elements from the system (i.e. patent laws favoring corporations and patent trolls). At that point, talented individuals can start profitably inventing again.

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  61. WTF? by Rob+Riggs · · Score: 1

    We've got car-sized rovers on Mars roaming around, taking pictures, drilling in rocks, relaying data back through a satellite in orbit around another planet and nothing new was invented to accomplish that?

    Idiot.

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    1. Re:WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I read articles like this, I picture an old mad yelling at some young whipper snappers, telling them how great it was in their day, and how they will never measure up.

  62. Recurring Story by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

    In 1899, U.S. Commissioner of Patents Charles H. Duell declared that everything that could be invented had been invented.

    The fact is we are riding a wave of invention unparalleled in human history.

  63. iPhone just a better phone????? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FTFA: "Despite all the hype though, the iPhone was not a new invention - it was just a much better telephone than any we'd seen before."

    Article is bogus. The iPhone is a CONTAINER holding DOZENS of new technologies: GPUs, mp3 codecs, LCD tech, capacitive sensing, UX innovations, lithium charging, flash memory.

    Article is a rambling, blunt stream of consciousness by a CTO who thinks inventors need more recognition and approval.

  64. Graphene by supertall · · Score: 1

    I'd say all the new tech coming out of graphene could be considered new invention. Look towards the universities.

  65. TrickQ by mynameiskhan · · Score: 1

    Can you please stop asking trick questions on /.?

  66. More invention opportunities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At the start there was a wheel and a shaft.
    And someone combined those.
    Then someone else added put them under a box.

    Fast forward to this day and you see, that there is so much more knowledge and the permutations and possibilities for new innovations are vast. Of course most of the innovations will be small, done in corporate research labs, where researchers sit in their silos and try to make small incremental improvements.

    But the great innovations in the future will be combining many disciplines in non-obvious ways and most likely not discovered by the silo-PhD, but cross-discipline teams, who have access to the latest research done by those silo-PhDs.

  67. No such thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This reminds me of the old adage, that there is no such thing as a new idea. All innovations and inventions are based upon something that has gone before, been tried before (and possibly failed - or not), or just noodled about before (sci-fi become reality).

  68. Everything is a Remix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everything is a Remix is a series of short videos that illustrate how nearly all innovation is incremental and iterative. Far from encouraging it, intellectual property retards innovation in virtually all cases, and objectively isn't justified or justifiable. Its soul purpose is to protect entrenched interests from competition--no one else can even afford to defend their claims.

  69. Todays inventions are not todays products by si3n4 · · Score: 1

    Author is confused because he focuses only the ideas in commercial production. How long were lasers or LEDs or transistors or any number of fundamental inventions in existence before they made large commercial entrances that popular culture recognized? He needs to go into the labs and see how many fundamentally new items have been created in the last 10 years that are now in the world of development (and yes invention ) that reduces them to practice and economic accessibility and then tell us the cupboard is bare. Some guy whining about the shallowness of popular acclaim with a shallow assessment of the world.

  70. interesting side effect of the efficiency by Chirs · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I live in the Canadian prairies, and it turns out that there is an interesting side effect of the higher efficiency of the LED bulbs....they don't put out *enough* heat.

    Last year the weather conditions were just right and we had a kind of sticky blowing snow that stuck to a bunch of the traffic lights. With the old bulbs the heat would have been enough to "self-clear", but for the LED ones they had to send out crews to clean off the snow.

    1. Re:interesting side effect of the efficiency by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      There exists technology to run an electrical trickle through a glass coating which prevents ice and snow adhesion. Would be nice for LED traffic lights.

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    2. Re:interesting side effect of the efficiency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, those good ol' unintended consequences... :-)

  71. How did the parent get modded up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Parent is basically claiming the main thing stopping perpetual motion machines is the patent system, and gets modded up? Because no one wants to make such machines for the good of humanity without a patent? Or no greedy person can't figure out how to sell such things without a patent? It is not like trying to sell ice to an Eskimo, it would be like trying to sell alcohol to an alcoholic..

  72. PWM on LED brake lights drives me nuts by Chirs · · Score: 1

    Most of the LED brake lights use PWM for brightness control, and it results in the LEDs of the car in front of me appearing to flicker whenever I move my eyes. Drives me crazy.

    1. Re:PWM on LED brake lights drives me nuts by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      I've read previously that it sets up a standing wave of light on your retina. Can't find a link at the moment.

      But ... and I've been reading up on design circuits for something similar recently, it should be a matter of attaching a small capacitor to the LED to create a smoother fade. To be economical it probably should be integrated directly into the LED element itself rather than a discrete part. Not sure if those exist yet.

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    2. Re:PWM on LED brake lights drives me nuts by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

      A cap would work, but they're notoriously unreliable in high heat/extreme conditions, they're expensive, bulky, and it would have to be a fairly large cap to provide a slow enough rise time at typical LED currents. The other downside is that the cap would likely also result in an equally long fall time. Depending on the circuit (assuming no constant-current source) the inrush currents could be fairly high (a discharged cap is like a short circuit until it charges).

      A better solution would be to modify the existing PWM code (as the parent poster mentions) to ramp the brightness up instead of blasting it full-on. This is done in switching supplies to provide what's called 'soft start'. Here's an example using a Microchip embedded processor.

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    3. Re:PWM on LED brake lights drives me nuts by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      A better solution would be to modify the existing PWM code (as the parent poster mentions) to ramp the brightness up instead of blasting it full-on

      Wait, if they're already blasting it full on, why are they using PWM at all?

      I was going to use a TLC5940 controller for my needs, but that includes gently fading in and out LED's in a software-defined way.

      Without the need for fades, the only need for any PWM controller would be to address a great number of LED's independently but cars don't do that (the whole bank turns on and off).

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    4. Re:PWM on LED brake lights drives me nuts by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

      Wait, if they're already blasting it full on, why are they using PWM at all?
      I was going to use a TLC5940...

      There's part of your answer - they use PWM controllers because they can be controlled via a serial interface and they don't require a resistor per segment. The actual PWM part is a bonus. You've seen the 'throbby' turn signals, right?

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    5. Re:PWM on LED brake lights drives me nuts by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      There's part of your answer - they use PWM controllers because they can be controlled via a serial interface and they don't require a resistor per segment. The actual PWM part is a bonus. You've seen the 'throbby' turn signals, right?

      Yeah ... so isn't a turn signal a bank of, I dunno, 30 LED's? You wouldn't drive that off of a single pin on a controller, and you wouldn't need to address each LED independently.

      Do they actually have each LED hooked up to a separate pin and just drive them all together? It would seem more expensive, but if that's the case, there could be some fun hacks (not street legal, of course).

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  73. solowheel by Chirs · · Score: 1

    The solowheel does actually appear to have been invented by one guy...

  74. Malcolm Gladwell on Steve Jobs by coldsalmon · · Score: 1

    Gladwell wrote an article for the New Yorker a while back opining that it is the iterative inventions rather than the "breakthroughs" that are most important. Here it is: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/11/14/111114fa_fact_gladwell
    He is riffing on another article that claims that the industrial revolution started in Britain because "it had a far larger population of skilled engineers and artisans than its competitors: resourceful and creative men who took the signature inventions of the industrial age and tweaked them—refined and perfected them, and made them work."

    It seems that TFA is misled by the fact that nobody remembers the long history of tweaking and engineering that results in a popular product. For example, everyone thinks that Thomas Edison invented the lightbulb, but he was just one of many engineers improving on a concept.

  75. Recognition Test by dlenmn · · Score: 2

    There are a lot of post about how past "inventions" were really just minor iterations too, so the author's claim doesn't stand up. However, I think the author does have a point; try the recognition test.

    If an average american from 1910 were suddenly transported to 1960, things would be unrecognizable -- there were so many truly groundbreaking changes. Home electric power, radio, television, refrigerators (and the supermarkets and foods they allowed), automobiles, antibiotics, etc. had all gone from being unknowns to being commonplace in the intervening period. (They may have existed in 1910, but they weren't developed to the point of commercialization.)

    In comparison, someone suddenly transported from 1960 to 2010 would recognize almost all parts of daily life. Wake up, flip on the lights, make some breakfast using ingredients from the fridge, drive to work, listen to the radio on the drive, return home, and watch TV. Few things would be truly new. Even most of the new things wouldn't be unrecognizable. Cell phones are just two-way radios; those existed in 1960. People in 1960 knew computers were going to be a big deal, etc. Heck, if I were transported from 1960 to 2010, I'd be disappointed. Where are the flying cars and other Jetson innovations? (Yes, The Jetsons aired in 1962; just add two years to everything if you must.) The internet and the computers we access it through are the only really big change to daily life that I can think of. That's significant, but not as significant as the 1910->1960 changes.

    1. Re:Recognition Test by sunderland56 · · Score: 2

      Cell phones are just two-way radios; those existed in 1960.

      Mobile phones existed in 1946.

    2. Re:Recognition Test by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Wake up, flip on the lights. Use the wireless remote (!) to flip on the flatscreen, full colour tv (!) to check the weather. A nice, near real time (!) picture from a fleet of geosynchronous (!) Earth observing satellites (!) shows up (which you completely take for granted). You make yourself breakfast using avocados from Central America you got cheap (!) at the supermarket. While you're eating you check the latest news (which is updated in near realtime (!)) and see an interesting item about the Mars rovers (!). Then you hop in your car. Your mom texts (!) your mobile phone (!) which is so small it fits in your jeans pocket (!), lets you talk to anyone in the world instantly (!) and runs all day on a tiny battery (!). You're driving so you ask Siri/Google/whatever (!) to read your message to you (!). Your mom wants to have lunch. You ask your phone (!) to find restaurants in the area. It uses signals from a network of orbiting satellites (!) to find your location (!), then taps into a worldwide data network (!) to find restaurant locations and displays a map. You tap on one (!) you like and your phone uses that same data network to grab the phone number. You call and make reservations. Then you dictate a reply (!) to your mom. When you're finished you tap a button and the satellite radio (!) starts playing again.

      And you're almost at work. Someone from 1962 would find himself a lot more out of place in 2012 than someone from 1912 in 1962. 1912 had lots of speculative science fiction too. The reality is that someone from 1912 in 1962 might think ubiquitous electrical power was pretty cool, and cars have come a long way, and airplanes are awesome. Someone from 1962 in 2012 would be constantly amazed by pretty much everything.

    3. Re:Recognition Test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you are missing some of the culture shock that person from the 60s would have and how they would be amazed by the ability to look anything up anytime on the internet from anywhere, an android phone, the guide on the TV with on demand viewing, and then they would get to youtube and realize the world is still full of idiots pulled up by a minority of smart people.

      The thing that troubles me is that in TV shows like star trek everyone knows how to fix broken technology but in actuality many people have no idea how there microwave works let alone their TV, smart phone, or Computer.

    4. Re:Recognition Test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you forgot some pretty big ones for the 1960-2010 period:
      microwave ovens, central heating, air conditioning, personal audio (walkmans/cd players/mp3 players), transplants, wind turbines, nuclear power, navigation systems, satellites (both for communication and weather).

    5. Re:Recognition Test by radtea · · Score: 1

      If an average american from 1910 were suddenly transported to 1960, things would be unrecognizable -- there were so many truly groundbreaking changes. Home electric power, radio, television, refrigerators (and the supermarkets and foods they allowed), automobiles, antibiotics, etc. had all gone from being unknowns to being commonplace in the intervening period. (They may have existed in 1910, but they weren't developed to the point of commercialization.)

      Correct. I've been pointing this out for years, and the responses have been pretty much what we've seen to this article:

      1) Everything is "incremental" if you equivocate on the meaning of "incremental", somethings implying "builds on past inventions" and sometimes implying "only adds slightly to pre-existing capabilities"

      2) Cell phones and the Internets!

      Network technology has certainly been a socially important feature of the past 50 years, but my grandmother was born in 1886 and by the time she was 50 (1936) the following things that had been impossible when she was born were commonplace:

      * heavier-than-air powered flight...
      * ...for commercial travel
      * ...and warfare

      * moving pictures...
      * ...with sound
      * ...and in colour

      * antibiotics

      * electric appliances for the home
      * radio communication
      * mass produced automobiles for the common person

      And so on.

      In the first 50 years of my life the inventions that have changed the face of the world comparably are:

      * Cell phones
      * the Internet

      Not small things, but there are only two of them. Three if you count "ubiquitous computing" as separate from the 'Net.

      By a simple count alone the pace of major, socially-changing innovation is a factor of three lower than it was a hundred years ago.

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    6. Re:Recognition Test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The rate of technological development is an exponential curve. Higher and higher rates of technological advances are expected. True innovation requires creating something that is unexpected or better than the curve.

      Throwing money at a problem domain that is well understood and getting decent results is normal. What is not normal is creating a whole new problem domain with non-common knowledge.

  76. What people mean by "invention" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My feeling is that most people require both a new idea and an actual implementation (a real device) when they think about a "real invention". These days, there is often a separation between the idea for something very new or different and the actual building of a product, whether it's biotech or energy storage or major computer hardware or software innovations. The person who has the breakthrough idea often doesn't have the resources to turn it into a product to sell, so someone else does it, and neither the person who thought of the idea nor the person who makes it real fits the mold of 'inventor' by themselves.

  77. Yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The author is retarded.

  78. Can you afford to invent something ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The question is really more " Can you afford to fend off the tidal wave of copyright trolls who will all claim your invention infringes on their patents of " a device that exists in three dimensions " or something equally facepalm worthy.

  79. Re:Segway & Dyson vac. by lxs · · Score: 1

    And coincidentally, Dyson is about to launch a "top secret revolutionary product" you know like Kamen did with the Segway. So I guess this aricle is hyping up Dyson.

  80. No new inventions? by CCarrot · · Score: 1

    Optical media, remote controls, data compression algorithms (MP3, JPEG, etc.), plasma and LCD displays...just off the top of my head.

    What are these guys smoking, I wonder?

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    1. Re:No new inventions? by CCarrot · · Score: 1

      Optical media, remote controls, data compression algorithms (MP3, JPEG, etc.), plasma and LCD displays...just off the top of my head.

      What are these guys smoking, I wonder?

      Oh, and don't forget microwaves. Never forget microwaves.

      After actually RTFA, though, I see that he's complaining that inventions in the 21st century are derivative, and all of the ones I listed are, like, so last century.

      C'mon, man, give us a break! We're only 12% through this century, let's have this discussion again in 40 years or so (via a holographic virtual interface courtesy of implanted, bio-powered communications devices, perhaps...)

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  81. Certainly graphene and the memrister should count. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Graphene and the memrister spring to mind as groundbreaking inventions.

  82. Life in the 1950's versus the 1990's by snsh · · Score: 1

    I recall an article from the 1990's lamenting how technological progress for American consumers had stalled. It argued the life of the average American in the 1950's was fundamentally the same as life in the 1990's. People in the 1950's wrote letters and talked on the phone. They listened to the radio and watched TV and went to the movies. They had cars and drove everywhere and could also travel by bus or train or airplane.

    I wish I had a copy of that article, because there's been a big change between the 1990's and today and what we expect in the near future.

  83. The magnitude of inventions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The magnitude of inventions is proportional to investment in basic science like physics, material science, and chemistry. I'm an inventor and all I do is watch for advancements in these fields, or big market price fluctuations, and then apply them to change the economics of solving old problems. Frequently old ideas can become cost-effective based on a change in energy density, computational cost-efficiency, or commodity price shifts.

    You see any of those happen, you can extrapolate the application based on demanding needs and anticipate the invention based purely on demand.

    Example: If electricity was 1/10 the cost it is, we could colonize the oceans at least: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Millennial_Project:_Colonizing_the_Galaxy_in_Eight_Easy_Steps

    So if any other TRUE Scotsmen would like to join me making tomorrow a better day:
    Marblar.com/

  84. Funding by Azure+Flash · · Score: 0

    Are there any politicians willing to invest in research left?

  85. Nope by dlenmn · · Score: 1

    Wireless remotes were available in the 1950s.

    Color television was available in the 1950s.

    The USDA restriced avacado imports until the mid 90s. There's no reason they couldn't have been imported sooner. Bananas were already being imported from central america to america sumpermarkets.

    The first successful weather satellite launched in 1960.

    NASA launched its first communication satellite in 1960.

    The USSR launched its first Mars probes in 1960.

    The list goes on. Thanks for proving my point; with the exception of internet related things, these were not unknowns in 1960, even if they weren't fully commercialized (or gradually refined to the point they're at today). A person from 1910 would be more out of place in 1960, than a person from 1960 would be in 2010. Period. End of story. You're simply wrong.

    1. Re:Nope by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Light bulbs were invented in the 1870s and Edison started wiring up private households with electricity in 1882. Refrigerators were invented in 1756, with commercial refrigeration becoming useful in the 1850s. The first automobile was invented in 1672. They entered mass production in 1902. Antibiotics of various kinds were known to the ancient Greeks and Egyptians. Scientific study and synthetic production of compounds with antibacterial effects was underway by the 1880s. People in 1910 were certainly aware of the concept of taking medicine when you were sick. Sure, by 1960 antibiotics worked a lot better, but that's kind of an incremental improvement, isn't it?

      I'm guessing by your last message that you're pretty young (and probably not overly popular...). You may not remember even the 80s. A lot has changed. Telecommunications, the Internet and computers have had a big effect on our daily lives. Things like satellites, while they technically existed in 1960, were so rare or expensive that they weren't even close to being part of everyday life. You certainly didn't talk to a little box and get a current satellite view of the country. But in 1914 four months salary bought a factory worker a car that would go 70 km/h and run on booze if you wanted to burn it instead of drinking it. Cars were probably relatively more expensive in the 60s.

  86. Stolen from the Economist by pscottdv · · Score: 2

    This article is a poor, sensationalistic rewrite of a much more thoughtful one:

    http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21569393-fears-innovation-slowing-are-exaggerated-governments-need-help-it-along-great

    A sad day for the BBC.

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  87. No, because the patent system rips inventors off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  88. iterative invention by DanielOom · · Score: 1

    The light bulb still counts as an invention, even though it was not all invented at once by Edison. Today's inventions require years of hard work by large teams.

  89. Everything's patented by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (with sufficiently vague patents) so the cost is too high.

  90. Me too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've got an idea for a micro-gravity rover that has a high volume surface abrader that acts as a kinetic feed of aggregate into a rotating drum. Centrifugal force keeps the aggregate in place before running through a electromagnetic separator. Ferrous pieces are then collected in a tube with a worm drive that feeds into ceramic chamber. Once in the ceramic chamber another series of magnets does inductive smelting. Molten iron from the smelter then passes through an extruder. After which it is either hot formed and pressed into bars or plates, or further extruded into wire and spooled on coils. Processing seems limited, but quality should be fairly decent given the vacuum environment of space. Basically it turns randomly formed metallic space rocks into something a lot more managable and useful for building large structures out in space.

    The rover would also have a couple nifty gyros and thrusters that use a fairly inert hydrous chalk-like material run through an arc-welder like process to maintain position against whatever surface it operates upon in micro-gravity. (Obviously you don't want to float off if the abrader kicks up against a particular rock too hard.) Sounds really clever, but is more in line with KISS principle than most people would think.

    Other than that, the whole thing is solar powered. In microgravity, you're just going to tether the juice down from a large panel array kept in postion above the surface rover. Should be plenty of sun available where this thing will be used.

    Keep in mind cost and material quality only makes sense if you're not going to dump the result back down into some gravity well. The entire point is so you can have bulk material readily available in microgravity for large construction without the cost of getting it out of a gravity well.

    Only thing is I'm not an engineer and don't have the money or means to test this invention. Without credentials and capital, nobody would really give a rats ass about my idea for an invention. But I'm sure those with the means could make sense of my description and put it to use and claim it on their patents.

  91. Africans? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since there are hundreds of millions of them, perhaps 'whitey' can take a rest from inventing, and those "We have the same IQ as white people" Africans can invent everything for the next five hundred years?

  92. New technology vs visible new devices by erice · · Score: 1

    There is all kinds of new technology. (Finfets, carbon nanotubes, meta materials, etc). And there are new devices: smart phones, dvrs, drones.

    What we don't often see are new technologies suddenly making their appearance in new devices that consumers can see and buy. That's the classic (and mostly wrong) inventors tale. What happens much more often is that new technology is first applied to existing applications and new applications are cobbled together from existing technology. This model substantially reduces risk since, if we can make it work, we know there is a market for new technology. New devices can be created much more quickly and be much more likely to work if they are not based on unproven technology.

    It does raise the question of what sort of breakthrough devices are we missing out on because the required technology is not useful for any current applications.

  93. Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I found this on Slashdot sandwiched between "Public Domain Prosthetic Hand" and "IBM's Watson Goes To College To Extend Abilities".

    So, apparently, the answer is "yes, innovation is dead", since hands and speech have been around for a long time? Or, maybe the people promoting this idea are being just a tad pessimistic about what constitutes an important invention these days.

  94. You need some historical perspective. by GPS+Pilot · · Score: 1

    The average person today has far more lesiure time than ever before in human history. Medieval serfs had to spend every daylight hour toiling in the fields, 7 days a week, just to eke out a subsistence-level income.

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  95. Solowheel by booch · · Score: 1

    Did you not see the Slashdot article/video yesterday, showing off the Solowheel? Powered gyroscopic unicycles are pretty darn inventive/innovative. As was the Segway.

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  96. History will be the judge / DNA sequencing by volvox_voxel · · Score: 1
    History is the real judge about what the great inventions are; what captured the popular imagination; what inspired a new wave of scientists. It's hard, in the near-term to know what will be relevant/ what will be funded / what will be ultimately useful. There are great ideas and smart people working on them, but not everything pans out; not ever research group is successful. The methodology is important. Some discoveries lead to break-breakthroughs, but it's largely luck what pans out.

    For 5 years, I worked at a DNA sequencing company in the R&D group. The biochemistry group created a breakthrough in the chemistry called (sequencing-by-synthesis) where once instrument from 2010 was equivalent to 60,000 top-of the line DNA sequencers from 2005. Instead of reading bases one at a time in a capillary-tube, it was able to capture a whole microscope sized swath at a time, where fixed segments of DNA stuck to the bottom of the flow cell like a kelp on an ocean floor, and every cycle through the machine, using clever biochemistry techniques, removed one base-pair from all the strands at once (with a density of ~700,000 clusters per mm^2) ..It ends up being about a terabase worth of data per sample. The cost drop was phenomenal, and is dropping faster than moores law.

    Sequencing has enabled all sorts of medical diagnostics and research that were previously unavailable. It was quite exhilarating to to read in Journals like Nature about people that had late stage cancer being sequenced to find out that they were misdiagnosed with the wrong cancer. Just a few years ago, it was impossible to determine what type of cancer a cancer was before it spread. Once it has metastasized, it was all a guessing game. With sequencing you can know for sure, and give you the right medicine to address that cancer.

    I've always considered biology to be hundreds of years behind physics and the other "hard sciences", because they never had the tools to deal with it.The CPU power, the RAM, the hard-disk space, even the cloud infrastructure are all needed to make DNA sequencer efficient. The last instrument I worked on was a low cost DNA sequencer that could yield a sequence in one day. At the end of a run, to do the basecalling and base alignment of the data, you would need significantly more horsepower than what was on the meager instrument. The cloud allows you access to a supercomputer the the short time that you need it, so the customer is not burdened by the huge computational complexity involved.

    As the cost sequence drops (and continues to drop), whole new fields of research have opened up. Bioinformatics where biology and computer science meet is a pretty hot topic. We have a deluge of data, but we don't yet have all the good algorithms necessary to unlock all the secrets we wish to solve. The Rosetta stone of the 21st century. This is the biggest complaint I hear about from biochemists.. Making sense of the data. Data leads to knowledge leads to wisdom, but data is not knowledge.

    I consider DNA sequencing to be an enabler, just like the steam-engine, or the electric light. It is now possible to look deeply at things we never could, like meta-genomics. Did you know that you have more bacteria in your body then all other cells in your body put together? ..And did you know that you can't grow most of them on a petri dish? We have been to mars, but we don't even know the bacteria in our own gut. Meta-genomics is a form of "shot-gun sequencing" .. In the lab you understand the biology by making millions of replicas of it in the petri dish.Not all bacteria grow on a petri-dsh . With shot-gun sequencing, you sequence enough sample so you can digitally reconstruct what organisms were there to begin with. This has enabled us to [begin to] understand the biochemical messaging between soil bacteria and the roots of plants, understand the biochemistry of food digestion to generate bio-fuels more efficiently, etc .. Interesting times...

  97. This is a boring definition of "iterative". by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'd say many of these these are largely market breakthroughs, the application of an existing technology to a new market. If anything, with the exception of the Internet, these demonstrate the article's point.

    7. Speech recognition. Computerized version of break audio into components, looking them up in a translation table, and report results.

    8. Automatic language translation. Computerized version of looking something up in a translation table and reporting results.

    Wow. Just wow. You really have no idea what actually goes into natural-language recognition and translation. For starters, we've been able to "break audio into components and look them up in a translation table" for, oh, fifty or sixty years now. Speech recognition was "ten years away" for the first thirty or forty of those years. Now, it's basically arrived, although there's still plenty to be done.

    What made it possible? Partly, it was these last four or five orders of magnitude of improvement in processor speed and memory size. But there's also a colossal amount of research in signal processing, statistical analysis, and AI that you're simply sweeping under the rug.

    By the same reasoning you applied to these points, the Internet is even less of a "breakthrough" -- it's a simple iterative advance stemming from more numerous and widely-used computers, better data-transmission technology, and new market demand. Except that it's anything but "simple", and the "iterations" that led to it took us over a precipice. On this side of the precipice, everything is different.

    When you come right down to it, every invention is an "iterative advance" based on pre-existing technology, simply because you can't really base an invention on technology that doesn't exist yet, and because you can't take infinite steps. So, your observation may be technically valid, but I don't think it's useful.

    1. Re:This is a boring definition of "iterative". by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Wow. Just wow. You really have no idea what actually goes into natural-language recognition and translation. For starters, we've been able to "break audio into components and look them up in a translation table" for, oh, fifty or sixty years now. Speech recognition was "ten years away" for the first thirty or forty of those years. Now, it's basically arrived, although there's still plenty to be done.

      You show me a computer that can translate poetry (or even literary prose) properly and I'll believe you.

      By the same reasoning you applied to these points, the Internet is even less of a "breakthrough" -- it's a simple iterative advance stemming from more numerous and widely-used computers, better data-transmission technology, and new market demand. Except that it's anything but "simple", and the "iterations" that led to it took us over a precipice. On this side of the precipice, everything is different.

      It's not a question of whether something turns out to be a breakthrough, it's whether you can legitimately describe it as an "invention" rather than "a series of technological improvements in various fields culminating in X".

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    2. Re:This is a boring definition of "iterative". by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 1

      You show me a computer that can translate poetry (or even literary prose) properly and I'll believe you.

      What? "Speech recognition" doesn't exist until "automatic poetry transliteration" is perfected? Sorry, I'm getting too old for all this goalpost-chasing.

      It's not a question of whether something turns out to be a breakthrough, it's whether you can legitimately describe it as an "invention" rather than "a series of technological improvements in various fields culminating in X".

      Here, I can't even tell whether we're moving goalposts or begging questions. Or maybe it's those darned Scotsmen again. Regardless, the post to which I responded tried to characterize a list of technologies as "largely market breakthroughs". I wanted to point out what I saw as flaws in that characterization. I'll grant that this may be getting a bit far afield from the original article's points.

  98. Dean Kamen by GPS+Pilot · · Score: 1

    A few years ago, the media touted Dean Kamen as a great inventor. Sure, his Segway didn't change the world a whole lot, but he was supposed to follow that up with super-efficient Stirling engines, which would power hybrid cars and purify water for third-worlders.

    Whatever became of that? Nothing, as far as I can tell. I'd love it if some slashdotter could provide information to the contrary.

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  99. Yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They are called "Microsoft". Now don't mod me funny.

  100. Plastic trombone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A decent trombone has been created that is almost 100% plastic. Engineering a plastic to replace almost the entire instrument is rather new and it brings the price of ownership down by about 80% comparing it to trombones of the same playing quality. It also repairs easily in most circumstances and does not mandate the use of an oil product for the slides.
                    As it has been done with a trombone it will probably spread to other band instruments. And if a bit more effort is made the last tiny bit of metal will vanish as well. These trombones are not suited for a major symphony but for jazz bands and popular music they are just fine. Maybe trumpets will be next.
                    So the trombone was not invented but a decent trombone made of plastic is an invention in itself.

  101. Clearly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the major modern innovations are Microsoft Windows 8 ans Apple's rectangle with rounded corners. I'm just so grateful to be alive right now

  102. Pot, Kettle. Kettle, Pot. by nilbog · · Score: 1

    If the problem is sensationalism in the media, then why did they write this article? I can 3D print a mechanical replacement for my hand, I can build an autonomous drone for under a grand, and when I walk into my apartment my lights come on automatically and some nice music starts.

    If we haven't invented anything in a while I would have been doing all that stuff ten years ago.

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  103. argh. the claribone wasn't even anticipated by... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    my swiss mentor. He said he'd never seen anything like it. And this is from a guy who builds sculptures from piano frames he's refused to turn into pianos to make them into elaborate antenna .... in any case, I just sawed one of my ko trombones to bits, attached a self-made adapter tube, and plugged in a clarinet mouthpiece to create a continuous tone clarinet. a claribone. who cares?

  104. eh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lame.. if anything we're on a cusp of tons of new inventions..

  105. Define Invention/Discovery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Invention: Is credited to the self.
    Discovery: Is credited to the Nature!

  106. Fundamental scientific discoveries about nature by Beeftopia · · Score: 1

    For a long time, humans had little scientific discovery. And little technological progress. Then it seemed like a lot of previously undiscovered facets of nature were discovered. With it came technological progress.

    I think the author is lamenting a perceived lack of new fundamental scientific discoveries about nature, not so much a lack of technological progress. The discovery of bacteria. Molecules. Atoms. Electromagnetism. Radio waves. And the like. New fundamental discoveries about nature. Which don't seem to happen nowadays.

    Scientific discoveries versus technological progress - a dichotomy? We're making fewer new scientific discoveries about the nature of the physical reality in which we live, yet increasing our number of technological applications? In graph terms, I suspect the author believes that scientific discoveries are following a bell curve, whereas technological progress is following a line rising continuously. Y axis would represent number of new scientific discoveries as well as number of technological inventions while X is time, ever increasing.

  107. The great advances he cites are really increments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The telephone was just rearranging the coils (inductors,) wires, etc that already existed. (Every electronics project can be said to be just rearranging some basic components.)

    The motion-picture projector was just a combination of a flip-book (like Edison loved) and a still-image projector.

    The still-image projector was just a combination of drawing on glass with puppets done in front of a fire.

    Here's my list of truly great inventions:
    * The ATM machine.
    * The Internet (which increases my ability to see who has already done what, how.)
    * Portable Hard Disks that hold terabytes.
    * USB flash drives that hold gigabytes.
    * Mapping apps on cellular phones.
    * SatNav/GPS systems for cars.
    * Digital cameras.
    * Rechargeable Lithium Batteries
    * Solid-State power electronics that are 90%+ efficient.
    * Streaming Video and Audio.
    * Millenniata DVDs

    P.S. If you want more innovation, don't just repeal (temporarily suspend) a few laws. Execute the #@!$!@ who voted for the laws in the first place, and the @#$%@$ who enforced them. That will send a clear message: "The next bureaucrat will NOT get in your way."

  108. New stuff gets invented all the time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... it's just that shows like Tomorrow's World aren't around any more to tell us about them.

    HINT-HINT BBC

  109. Just thinking about something is not invention by nicholdraper · · Score: 1

    It is an ignorant point of view that believes thinking about something, or for that matter writing it down or drawing it is invention, that is called fiction. Did Jules Vern invent the rocket because he wrote about taking a trip to the moon or did Michelangelo invented the helicopter. If that was true invention, then we wouldn't need any engineers. We all could have travelled to the moon in 1865 when Jules Vern released his book. I was born 100 years later and no one had still stepped on the moon. People point at patent law as inventions, yet that is just how lawyers and judges play in technology. Real invention doesn't happen sitting on your couch. It doesn't happen in the attorney's office. Real invention takes many disciplines, team work, time, money and desire. More things are being invented today than at any other time. True invention actually produces a working version of an idea. The wright brothers were not credited with inventing the airplane because they were the first to think about it, they were credited with inventing the airplane because they were the first to take off and land in a craft they built without killing themselves. And Curtis invented the aileron that all modern use to fly even though he lost the patent battle with the Wright brothers. Real invention is doing the work, not wining in court. I've worked at companies where someone wanted to sell us ideas, what a load of bull, usually we would tell them to get lost as we have a ton of ideas that we employees have discussed already and many times we had already written down in detail. Part of the inventive process is trowing out ideas that are not yet cost effective.

  110. There's been a bunch... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Laser - 1960
    Light Field Camera - 1992
    Graphene - 1962

    These are the three easy ones I tripped across as fundamental technologies in the last 55 years. If you want to get away from 'things' and into 'inventions' then there's a lot more in the compsci world. There's been huge advances and some fundamental breakthroughs in math and algorithms in the last few years.

  111. Candy Shop by obscuro · · Score: 1

    I think the TFA and all involved have gotten so used to a daily candy shop of FRICKIN' MIRACLES. That they're inured to the taste of sugar.

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  112. Invention vs Inventor by peawormsworth · · Score: 1

    I think the article is confusing invention with inventor. I do believe that inventions are continuing at a stagering rate. The difference now is that we rarely see it as coming from a single inventor. Often inventions are released on behalf of a corporation or the patents are licensed through a corporation. Inventions are also often incorporated through an existing product line because that is where there is an existing profit model. So new inventions are sometimes hidden from view and not specifically announced to the public as they are marketing benefits, not technology features. For example, just try to find out exactly what technology is inside an iphone and you will be bombarded by marketing on what you can do with it, but minimal information on the working technology that drives it.

  113. Accelerometer by peawormsworth · · Score: 1

    The article is wrong. It specifically mentions that the accellerometer inside the iphone is inventive, but not a new invention. The combination of inventions is a new patentable invention as recognized by the WIPO (world patents). It may require the licensing of existing patents to combine them into a new one, but this is always the way patents work.

    My argument is that we do not see these invensions as invensions because they are not marketed as such. As an example, try to locate the patent behind an accellerometer inside a cell phone. Also, try to find out exactly what chip is being used in the iphone accellerometer or how many axis it has or the degree of angle accuracy, or the speed of these calculations or the code to communicate with it. The average consumer will not be able to find this information, let alone have it marketed to them. Im not saying that it is impossible to find, but rather there is absolutely no marketing it as an invention. Instead, what is marketed is the resulting features. For example, the iphone can be tilted and the displayed page will tilt with it. Thus the consumers see this invention as a benefit improvement. Because customers do not by on technology features alone, they buy on the idea of how they will use it.

    Clearly the lightbulb is an invention, and yet Edison did not invent tunksten or the vacuum or electricity in general. And he wasnt alone in his idea that a filament electrified inside a vaccum was the way to proceed. He combined many failed attempts and stumbled apon one that worked. So if combining elements of the past in novel ways to create something new is NOT an invention, then the light bulb is NOT an invention. To suggest that building on the past does not constitute inventions that can change the world, then the author of this article is defying common sense and disagreeing with patent offices around the world.

  114. Not everything you believe about Invention is true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First of all, may I be so bold as to tell you that I am an "Inventor". Secondly, those of you that believe all invention comes from expensive high technology research centres are completely wrong. But that is my own opinion.

    I wrote this as the opening paragraphs in chapter 13, The Road Ahead from a Grass Roots Perspective, www.chriscoles.com/page3.html

    The Inventor

    I am an inventor. Not an artist, sculptor, writer, singer or composer. My thoughts confined to paper are not something I can sell by the thousand to an admiring audience. The thrills of discovery are ethereal and ephemeral and not something to hang on a wall, or listen to of a quiet night at home with some friends. My thoughts are; however, the bedrock of a free society that thrives upon the countless goods and services stemming from those dust swirls of momentary idealistic creativity called inventions.

    We look into the future, not the past. Have no need for the instant gratification of a wet canvas. We rely on many others for the sublimation of the initial idea into reality. Try imagining creating anything and not being able to talk to anyone about it. Have an idea that you know in your heart is good and reliable and worthwhile and that you must bounce off another thinker and risk having that idea stolen, without a single thought. Not even a thank you. New, fresh, inventive thought; is extremely fragile.

    Copyright does not protect us; is not designed to. The slightest slip between the thought forming in our heads and the office of the government patent office and the idea is gone, lost, forever not your own. Now, realise that, every idea we get costs money. To file for; to pay the attorney to delineate; to travel for sometimes decades with all the costs of a small business yet never finding anyone that will pay that extra mile to see the idea into production.
    Never any income, regarded by any banker as a nuisance at best and a malingerer most of the time. Remember, it can be years before we are granted the patent itself. Up to that moment, we have nothing but an idea that “might” be worthwhile developing.

    When we at last arrive at the grant of that paper contract called a patent and when all our troubles should be behind us; instead, we now inhabit another even more demanding and dangerous world. Government makes us a part of the industrial might of a nation by granting that patent. And follow that grant by ensuring that we become their slave to a process that demands a regularly increasing payment of maintenance fees, (remember we have no income without exploitation), over its twenty year lifetime.

    In that case, surely, government should have a mind to see that these initial seeds of the nation’s future prosperity are protected from the frosts of monopoly and overbearing competition. Instead, we find that government is, on the one hand, completely indifferent to our reality or, on the other, only prepared to sustain us, on a whim, to the smallest extent unless we break our vow, (implicit in the grant of that patent to sustain competition); by walking through the door of an existing competitor.

    And just to add insult to injury, they toss their heads in complete indifference to the fact that there is no fully free, free enterprise based, financial marketplace; wherein we should be able to capitalise our new ideas, competitively, against the incumbent industry.

    Instead encouraging the short term capitalisation regime of the venture capitalist that only serves to reinforce monopoly through the refusal to entertain investment in the small local business that has an aiming point of long term independence; The utter stupidity that we cannot be permitted to be both free and successful.

    The final indignity is to discover the governments’ complicity in keeping the monopoly supplier of yesterday in place rather than accept that thinking has moved on and there is a new game in town. How dare I suggest that I have a better idea? Who is this idiot that thinks beyond their station?

  115. Lytro? by BevanFindlay · · Score: 1

    Just to make a link to another current /. story, what about what Lytro is doing with camera optics and processing? I think what they are doing is quite different thinking to anything else out there, and might (eventually) have the potential to change our very definition of a "photo"...

  116. look up tables? by schlachter · · Score: 1

    7. Speech recognition. Computerized version of break audio into components, looking them up in a translation table, and report results.

    8. Automatic language translation. Computerized version of looking something up in a translation table and reporting results.

    Most everything can be described as a look up table if you break it down. The hard part is learning, building, maintaining, storing, updating, and searching, the structure and content of these tables in real time. This is where true algorithm innovation has occurred.

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  117. Is Speech Recognition really much better now? by dublin · · Score: 1

    "Good" Speech Recognition has been "just a few years away" for at least three decades. Seriously, in 1985, I hacked up a voice-controlled home automation system based on the CoVox VoiceMaster recognition system for the Commodore 64 (about $700, all together). It actually worked reasonably well, especially considering the low cost of both the voice processing hardware and the base computer system. I worked *almost* as well as the $3000 Texas Instruments VoRec system we had at work (which required a $4000 PC AT to host!)

    While Siri and her ilk work better than the old CoVox system (which could not handle "connected, speaker-independent speech" at all, but nailed trained words or phrases from a one or two-user training set), the odd thing is that overall, speech recognition is still not really good enough to bother with. (I use Siri about once a month, usually when driving, and with only about a 50-60% success ratio).

    Here's the odd thing: In that time, the available compute power to handle speech recognition has increased by well over a million-fold (and it's really more than that, since even on a new fast A5/A6 CPU, Siri still has to fling your voice request up tot he cloud for processing), but the entire system is nowhere near a million times better at recognizing your speech. More like a hundred times, maybe. On a good day.

    This is one of those problems that has shown itself to be stubbornly resistant to traditional procedural AI approaches: 30 years on, the best we can do is still not very good!

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