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Ask Slashdot: How To Convince a Company Their Subscriber List Is Compromised?

jetkins writes "As the owner of my own mail domain, I have the luxury of being able to create unique email addresses to use when registering with web sites and providers. So when I started to receive virus-infected emails recently, at an address that I created exclusively for use with a well-known provider of tools for the Systems Administration community (and which I have never used anywhere else), I knew immediately that either their systems or their subscriber list had been compromised. I passed my concerns on to a couple of their employees whom I know socially, and they informed me that they had passed it up the food chain. I have never received any sort of official response, nor seen any public notification or acceptance of this situation. When I received another virus-infected email at that same address this week, I posted a polite note on their Facebook page. Again, nothing. If it was a company in any other field, I might expect this degree of nonchalance, but given the fact that this company is staffed by — and primarily services — geeks, I'm a little taken aback by their apparent reticence. So, since the polite, behind-the-scenes approach appears to have no effect, I now throw it out to the group consciousness: Am I being paranoid, or are these folks being unreasonable in refusing to accept or even acknowledge that a problem might exist? What would you recommend as my next course of action?"

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  1. Is it fixed? by CncRobot · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Maybe they did fix the issue, but its difficult to take away the compromised list once someone else has it. Or were you expecting them to track down the virus senders and delete the lists from those servers?

    1. Re:Is it fixed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Maybe they did fix the issue, but its difficult to take away the compromised list once someone else has it.

      I was about to grab the pitchforks when I read this and thought it was actually a reasonable explanation. Mod parent up.

    2. Re:Is it fixed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Out of all the responses, this is the most sensible one. And first post to boot. Congratulations, sir.

    3. Re:Is it fixed? by hawguy · · Score: 2

      Maybe they did fix the issue, but its difficult to take away the compromised list once someone else has it. Or were you expecting them to track down the virus senders and delete the lists from those servers?

      If they don't acknowledge that there was even a problem, how would he know if it's "fixed"? Besides, if a customer list was stolen, it's likely more than just email addresses, and some states require public disclosure if personal data is stolen.

    4. Re:Is it fixed? by codegen · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Maybe they did fix the issue, but its difficult to take away the compromised list once someone else has it. Or were you expecting them to track down the virus senders and delete the lists from those servers?

      Maybe notify members of the list that the list has been compromised and they might be getting virus loaded emails?

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    5. Re:Is it fixed? by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They need to at least confirm to him that they took him seriously and are at least attempting to track down the leak so that no more addresses leak out. Chances are they've got at least one PC with malware harvesting email addresses. If that's the case, they probably have other malware too.

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    6. Re:Is it fixed? by hedwards · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If they do acknowledge the problem, how would he know if it's fixed? Once the data is out there, it's out there. Acknowledging it is likely to be against the advice of the company's attorneys whether or not it really is their fault.

    7. Re:Is it fixed? by Zaelath · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'd bet my left nut "a well-known provider of tools for the Systems Administration community" is Atlassian, and they claim there's no issue.

    8. Re:Is it fixed? by t4ng* · · Score: 5, Informative

      Acknowledging it is likely to be against the advice of the company's attorneys whether or not it really is their fault.

      Exactly. Datek or Ameritrade or TD Ameritrade, I forget at which point in their many buy-outs, has been repeatedly compromised in the past. At first they denied it and claimed that spammers had just guessed by email account. So each time I would create a new email account in my own domain consisting of a random collection of 12 letters, numbers, and punctuation marks. And each time they were compromised I would point out to them the impossibility of a spammer guessing my email account.

      Finally, they just started a policy of sending me an email saying they are investigating it but their company policy does not allow them to give me any details of their findings or what, if anything, they did to fix it.

    9. Re:Is it fixed? by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      Looking into the headers of the mails would provide enough information to reveal if the infected mails originates from the company or from another source.

      Changing your mail address to another for the company may be another way around it.

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    10. Re:Is it fixed? by Frojack123 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Maybe they did fix the issue, but its difficult to take away the compromised list once someone else has it. Or were you expecting them to track down the virus senders and delete the lists from those servers?

      I agree, once its out, they are as powerless as the target is.

      As for his question:

      What would you recommend as my next course of action?"

      1) Kill the email account, such that all mail bounces.
      2) Create a new subscription account.
      3) Realize that you are on the internet, where not everybody plays by your rules. Install spam and virus filters, and get on with your life. You've done all that you can to help the clueless operators. Its not worth any more of your time or anguish.

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    11. Re: Is it fixed? by dropadrop · · Score: 1
      They should at least respond, better yet warn the users.

      I'm on my third or fourth linkedin email despite having it non-visible. They never responded to any messages.

    12. Re:Is it fixed? by Mattcelt · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I had exactly the same issue as the OP this past week, but with a Fortune 1000 company whose business model revolves around collecting and selling information about people.

      I contacted their information security department, and sent them the emails and headers at their request. I haven't heard from them since.

      The problem is that not only did I get emails to an address that only that company has; my social security number was also in the emails. So whoever got the emails got much more personal information as well. It's clearly a case where the company should be disclosing that they had a breach. If they don't, I'm going public with what I've got.

      These companies have a responsibility to the people whose information they hold.

    13. Re:Is it fixed? by CaptQuark · · Score: 3, Informative

      One problem with publicly acknowledging the compromise is the bad guys realize they have been detected and stop connecting to the system. Our security team requires us to leave any compromised machine "as is" so they can monitor what the computer does, who it contacts, who connects to it, and how the infection is spread on the network. They will purposefully leave the machine running and letting the infection spread so they can gather the maximum information about it before they pull the systems for further forensic analysis. This is standard practice at many large companies, even if they don't tell everyone about it for obvious reasons. Just because they don't reply to you doesn't mean they aren't working 16-hour days trying to stop or catch the perpetrators. Even sending you a simple e-mail saying they are reviewing the situation might be enough to scare off the bad guys if they have compromised the email system farther than just harvesting contacts.

    14. Re:Is it fixed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      "And they may not even have any real reason to believe it happened as "some guy on facebook" says."

      Nobody reads the facebook page in the company besides the marketing slime who have no clue.
      And perhaps their astroturfers who post loving reviews of their product.
      That's about it.

    15. Re:Is it fixed? by Mattcelt · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I spoke with one of their InfoSec guys on the phone. They have my phone number, and they know that I know that my personal information was compromised. There's no excuse for not keeping me apprised, at the very least.

    16. Re:Is it fixed? by CaptQuark · · Score: 1

      If you are in contact with them by phone, then I agree they should at least tell you what the status is.

    17. Re:Is it fixed? by Rigrig · · Score: 2

      2) Create a new subscription account.
      3) Realize that you are on the internet, where not everybody plays by your rules. Install spam and virus filters, and get on with your life. You've done all that you can to help the clueless operators. Its not worth any more of your time or anguish.

      Possibly skip 2) though, as "clueless operators" might not be the best choice to obtain your "tools for the Systems Administration community" from?

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    18. Re:Is it fixed? by ghmh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I do the same thing as the author in the article. To confirm this you need to change the email address you received the spam from at the same time you notify the company.

      e.g.

      thecompany@yourdomain.com localaccount

      becomes

      #thecompany@yourdomain.com localaccount
      thecompany2@yourdomain.com localaccount

      If 'thecompany2' address gets spam they're still compromised. Repeat until fixed or you lose trust in 'thecompany'.

    19. Re:Is it fixed? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      The only "real" solution is to sue them. Subpoena the records, and sue them for damages. If they complain too loudly, petition to turn it into a class action, and get the names and addresses of every one of their contacts, and send them a letter that the company lost or sold their information. That'll get the issue into the press, and you'll have done nothing wrong, or could, if you handle it right, make yourself a good bit of money.

    20. Re:Is it fixed? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The only responsible thing in cases like this is full disclosure. You gave them a chance to address it, now everyone else deserves to know that they are at risk.

      I had a similar experience with Knet, the company that hosts my web site. I had an email from Google notifying me that a URL on my domain was being used for phishing, and sure it it served up a fake PayPal login page. I was unable to do anything about it because it was on a subdomain reserved for admin and mail handling by Knet, so I contacted them. After several emails back and forth they wouldn't even admit there was a problem, and by that point the page had vanished. Maybe they did find it and fixed it, maybe the hacker removed it.

      Either way I felt I had no choice but to post about it on my blog. Knet are of course free to respond and I'm generally quite happy with their service, but we can't ignore stuff like that.

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    21. Re:Is it fixed? by rtfa-troll · · Score: 4, Insightful

      An please note that there are other ways of compromising email addresses; e.g. using them in plaintext on a compromised access point or a mail server between you and the company but outside their control. If you want to proove this you have to be absolutely sure about the security of the address and check that every connection is (at least) encrypted.

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    22. Re:Is it fixed? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Exactly,
      Besides most companies don't like saying what they did wrong so they probably fix the problem, then tried to keep it quiet. Being that social media now adays spreads and exadurates every bad news, there is no insentive to make their problems public, unless they really have too.

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    23. Re:Is it fixed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The FTC is very interested in breaches where SSNs are leaked. Let them know. https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/FTC_Wizard.aspx?Lang=en

    24. Re:Is it fixed? by Cederic · · Score: 2

      1) Kill the email account, such that all mail bounces.

      No. Kill the email account, such that all mail goes to /dev/null

      Don't flood the world with bounce messages. Especially if your email address is used as the 'from' address and you get 1200 bounces from other people (been there, had that).

    25. Re:Is it fixed? by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

      Well, they could at least publically acknowledge the breach...

    26. Re:Is it fixed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I know plenty of idiots like you that run their mouth about these conspiracy theories openly and publicly, and no one has come and "made them disappear", although I wish someone would.

    27. Re:Is it fixed? by Luthair · · Score: 1

      They may have a legal responsibility to disclose the breach, iirc California and likely other states require companies to inform people when their information is compromised

    28. Re:Is it fixed? by WoodstockJeff · · Score: 1

      I have messages coming in weekly for addresses that have not been valid since I had a dial-up bulletin board system, at the dawn of consumer email systems. If the submitter has only received a couple of messages, that's just the start of the next 20 years of spam for that address!

    29. Re:Is it fixed? by scdeimos · · Score: 1

      These companies have a responsibility to the people whose information they hold.

      Yes, they have a responsibility but that doesn't make them responsible.

      This is exactly why I don't buy anything any more from sites that don't support escrow services. This happened about ten years ago, but... a couple of weeks after using my visa card to buy a book on Xbox hacking my card details were used to buy about US$500 worth of stuff from the Harvard University book store. It took me about 9 weeks to get my money back from the bank, I had to cancel my card, etc.. Being my only credit card at the time it was a huge inconvenience and I was still liable for interest on the funds despite it being a fraudulent purchase (wtf?). Nowadays if a site requires a credit card to purchase something I'll shop elsewhere. And forget about putting correct birth dates and tax file numbers online.

    30. Re:Is it fixed? by PlusFiveTroll · · Score: 1

      The proper way is to kill the connection at MAIL TO: before your bandwidth is wasted at DATA.

    31. Re:Is it fixed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I spent significant time trying to convince TD Ameritrade they were hacked (or violated their TOS by selling my unique email address). I gave up...months later the story broke they had been hacked as I thought. Imagine if they LISTENED to someone trying to help...

      I severed my relationship with them when they refused to listen, but I have no idea how this really impacts them...how many people even know they were had, much less they should have known it by persons like me trying to convey the info to them?

    32. Re:Is it fixed? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      I check all headers - a lot of spam isn't addressed directly to you.

    33. Re: Is it fixed? by Somebody+Is+Using+My · · Score: 1

      Mind you, it is quite possible they themselves are not doing the mailings but are instead using a remailer service. Those are notoriously unresponsive.

      I worked with a company that sent out daily and weekly news alerts of all sorts. It was a high volume business and definitely not spam (the customer had to manually opt-in and often had to /pay/ for the content. Not that didn't stop some customers from still complaining that it was spam...). Although the editorial content was created in-house, the transmission of those messages was handled by an outside company.

      Because this was a major source of revenue for the company, having a reliable remailer was extremely important. Just as important, they needed one that was reputable enough so the emails would not immediately get flagged as spam. During my tenure at the company, they went through three or four remailers.

      And let me tell you, not /one/ of those ever responded to a complaint in less than a week and when they did finally respond, it was always to first point fingers at somebody else. I took it as high up the chain as I could, and when that gave no result often passed it on to C-level execs so they could push the issue. It still took abnormal amounts of time. If it was just one remailer that worked like that, well, okay; it would be time to find a new partner. But it seems indicative of how that business works; they just don't respond to the company that pays you.

      (In fairness, after a week or four the problem /did/ usually get resolved, if it was something within their purview but it was screeching mad customers until that point and unhappy, powerless customer-service reps)

      I bring this all up because maybe the same thing is happening in your case. Your "well-known provider of tools for the Systems Administration" may not actually be the ones immediately responsible for the problem. They may accept ultimate responsibility, and possibly there is quite a bit of concern about the issue, but if they are dealing with a remailer, their own pleas may be ending up in dev/nul.

      That's not to say they should be let off the hook; rather, it may be that their silence has more to do with corporate inefficiencies than intentional malice.

    34. Re:Is it fixed? by Mattcelt · · Score: 2

      Filed, thanks very much for the link.

      It's funny (in a sad way) - three or four of the initial questions in the report asked if I had contacted a credit reporting agency to let them know my data had been compromised. At the top of every list was Equifax.

      And the company who was breached? The ones who leaked my SSN?

      Equifax.

    35. Re:Is it fixed? by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      I'd bet my left nut "a well-known provider of tools for the Systems Administration community" is Atlassian, and they claim there's no issue.

      Would you really risk loosing your left nut to know that? Worse, if you are right, would you really want two left nuts?

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    36. Re:Is it fixed? by Skewray · · Score: 2

      I do the same thing as the author in the article. To confirm this you need to change the email address you received the spam from at the same time you notify the company.

      e.g.

      thecompany@yourdomain.com localaccount

      becomes

      #thecompany@yourdomain.com localaccount thecompany2@yourdomain.com localaccount

      If 'thecompany2' address gets spam they're still compromised. Repeat until fixed or you lose trust in 'thecompany'.

      Personal admission: I am already at amazon5@yadayada.

    37. Re:Is it fixed? by RMingin · · Score: 2

      Ok, I'm shocked, and now in a completely different mindspace. We've been using Jira here at work for the last few months, and since approximately that same time frame, we've been getting spam, and everyone swears to me that they never got spam before. I never linked the two in my mind, but now I'm looking into it.

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    38. Re:Is it fixed? by Quirkz · · Score: 2

      Also, is the email address sufficiently non-obvious that spammers aren't just guessing it? I received one complaint from a user accusing me of selling his email to spammers. I investigated and found he'd used a two-letter username at his domain for the address, which I'm betting a spammer just guessed. When I used to have a catchall going I'd see a stream of spam come in for a@domain, adam@domain, alice@domain, b@domain, bill@domain ... etc. Any address that's very short or a common name is likely to just be guessed at some point.

    39. Re:Is it fixed? by JoeSchmoe007 · · Score: 1

      Well you may have some kind of issue with Atlassian but AFAIK they don't make any tools for System Administration. Unless you count JIRA and/or Confluence as such, which they aren't.

    40. Re:Is it fixed? by A+Non-MS+Coward · · Score: 2

      The SMTP "RCPT TO" command (AKA the envelope To, and what PlusFiveTroll was most likely referring to with "MAIL TO") is different than the "To:" header inside the email. It is always your address, as that's how the mail actually gets routed to and accepted by the receiving mail server. The headers that address might show up in are "X-Original-To", and one of the Received headers.

      The best action to take if a unique address falls into the wrong hands is to set the receiving mail server to give a 500-level SMTP response code when that address is given to RCPT TO. This is not the same as writing a bounce message. For legitimate senders, their sending server will give them the undeliverable notice, and it will know them as an authorized user and not be sending backscatter to some random third party.

      Most spam doesn't go through real SMTP servers, it's zombie/botnet PCs throwing scripted SMTP commands at the MX servers for a list of email addresses. They ignore SMTP response codes and just move on anyway. No delivery, and no backscatter, in that case.

      What's left is spam that is sent through compromised/open-relay mail servers. People can either chose to ignore these and let the situation get worse, or draw attention to the fact there's a mail server that needs to be fixed. If everyone who gets spam from these says /dev/null it, the problem is going ignored. If you reject it with a 5xx response code, you or your mail server still isn't generating a bounce message to an unverified address. But the the server it gave the 5xx code to might. And it will be traceable to the that server which needs to be fixed. And that's not yours to deal with. That backscatter-creating server will likely get on blacklists if it isn't already. And then that server is likely to either be fixed or largely ignored. And overall the bigger problem gets more dealt with.

      The trick is, the SMTP response code has to be given during the SMTP session, preferably before the DATA command. If you're accepting the message and then doing content/header analysis, it's probably too late to properly reject it. If you do so at that time, you will likely be creating backscatter. Content/header analysis should be the last line of defense, not the line of defense. There are many things that can be done at SMTP time to determine what's bad, where false positives won't go to oblivion, and backscatter will be reduced to cases where a 3rd party mail server needs to be fixed.

      Also, backscatter does not normally go to the "From" header in the email (content analysis in the user mail client might do it that way, but that would be a very bad idea). It generally goes back to the SMTP "MAIL FROM:" value (AKA the envelope From), which is usually prepended to the email content as the Return-Path header. If you don't want your domain name to be a tempting pawn as a forged MAIL FROM, it doesn't hurt to set an SPF record for it, and be diligent about setting any email software you use to use the right outbound mail server for it.

    41. Re:Is it fixed? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Also people can get email addresses without sites being compromised. It's not like everyone chooses and extremely difficult address that no one else would ever guess. Ie, someone@domain.com, someone1@domain.com, someone2@domain.com... It costs the spammers nothing to try invalid addresses.

    42. Re:Is it fixed? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Nice response :)

      Sadly I lack the access to reject at the SMTP server, it's a post-receipt validation/rejection.

      I'm not entirely convinced by the backscatter argument though but I'm too tired to think it through so I'll take your word on it.

    43. Re:Is it fixed? by Mattcelt · · Score: 1

      Well it seems I may have spoken too soon - they called me today. They explained what happened (it was a vendor who leaked) and gave me a very thorough recounting of what happened. Their timing could have been better, but they did follow through. The InfoSec person I talked to was very knowledgeable, friendly, and professional. While I have some spam I'll have to deal with, they're trying hard to make things right. Overall, I'm pretty impressed.

    44. Re:Is it fixed? by TekPolitik · · Score: 1

      An please note that there are other ways of compromising email addresses; e.g. using them in plaintext on a compromised access point or a mail server between you and the company but outside their control. If you want to proove this you have to be absolutely sure about the security of the address and check that every connection is (at least) encrypted.

      This is not correct. Spammers and scammers always take the easy approach. It is simply too hard for them to compromise addresses at these intermediate points for it to be worth the effort to these people. It is much, much easier for them to compromise the holder of a large list of addresses, either directly, or via social engineering. To say there is another way that it could have happened is not to disprove the most likely case. A person who fell backwards into a volcano could have just lost their balance, but the person with the smoking gun standing 10 feet away is still going to prison. I have seen one case in Australia where one federal agency (the Australian Securities and Investments Commission - which is fairly universally known within the legal profession as the single most incompetent government agency by far in the country) compromised its entire database. A spammer was spamming for his fraudulent "university" and "charity", which was subsequently shut down by, it seems, Victorian education authorities. The spammer got hold of one of ASIC's databases of contact details, including email addresses. There were several complaints from users who did what the submitter did - had unique addresses for each organisation they deal with - and all received the spams at only the ASIC address and at none of their other (sometimes hundreds of) addresses. ASIC continue to deny that to this day and run the same bogus excuse you are attempting here. Some of the addresses were even obscure. ASIC actually likes to think it's qualified to advise on security too - it's a joke.

    45. Re:Is it fixed? by Zibri · · Score: 1

      Email is cleartext, even if you encrypt the contents the addresses are wide open for anyone who can sniff the packets to see.

      This isn't true. I think you confuse the (unfortunately) uncommon practice of end to end encryption with the common server-to-server encryption (ESMTP+STARTTLS, RFC 3207). No email addresses are leaked from encrypted SMTP connections.

    46. Re:Is it fixed? by Frojack123 · · Score: 1

      Actually, this is what most modern SMTP servers do anyway. They have access to the list of valid email accounts that they serve, and kill the mail right after receipt of the "RCPT TO". Obviously this can only work at the destination, but you still don't end up even receiving that spam, because the connection is simply closed after the 500 message.

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    47. Re:Is it fixed? by Andhesaidtome · · Score: 2

      ASIC actually likes to think it's qualified to advise on security too - it's a joke.

      I think you're confusing Security with security. ASIC do not generally concern themselves with the latter.

    48. Re:Is it fixed? by yenot · · Score: 1

      I also use a unique e-mail address with every company and Equifax leaked the address I used with them to spammers. I can only hope that it was only an e-mail address and not my SSN that was leaked.

    49. Re:Is it fixed? by Mattcelt · · Score: 1

      I was able to verify that mine was a unique case, and that only email addresses were compromised for everyone else.

  2. Geeks rarely rule the roost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In my experience when situations like this arise and no action is being taken leadership either doesn't understand the problem or doesn't think it important.

    1. Re:Geeks rarely rule the roost by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

      ^ ^ ^ ^ This too. It's a sysadmin list, so I'd hope they understand the problem, but there are plenty of PHB that get in the way.

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    2. Re:Geeks rarely rule the roost by arth1 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I just wonder what kind of System Administration list has a facebook page. The mind boggles.

    3. Re:Geeks rarely rule the roost by Gothmolly · · Score: 2, Funny

      One of these things is not like the other.

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    4. Re:Geeks rarely rule the roost by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      And Facebook is the primary channel today of spreading malware. Social engineering combined with trojans are quite effective.

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    5. Re:Geeks rarely rule the roost by adolf · · Score: 1

      And Facebook is the primary channel today of spreading malware. Social engineering combined with trojans are quite effective.

      ...except against competent system administrators.

      Yeah, I've got a Facebook account. So what? I'd be more than happy to tell you all about the last time that I was social-engineered into doing something with a computer, but it simply hasn't ever happened.

    6. Re:Geeks rarely rule the roost by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

      What? You don't fall for "MaryJaneBarely18XXX wants to be your friend" requests? :)

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    7. Re:Geeks rarely rule the roost by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      "MaryJaneBarely18XXX wants to be your friend"

      Most Systems Admin know better than to believe a "friend" request... I mean really, who would "friend" a Sys Admin?

      Now "MaryJaneBarely Bukkaki Fest", that's something a Sys Admin might open...

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    8. Re:Geeks rarely rule the roost by volxdragon · · Score: 1

      Windows Server...

      I have always thought the term "Windows Server" is an oxymoron...

  3. Write threatening letters by nemesisrocks · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm in a similar situation: I create a unique email address for each company I deal with, and each website I register on.

    The only solution I've found to be the most effective is sending these companies threatening letters. Quote them sections from their own privacy policy; usually there will be a clause about circumstances under which they will share your subscriber information. Tell them they've breached their own privacy policy, and whatever federal privacy legislation your country has in place. While you're at it, file a complaint with your country's Privacy Commissioner, or whatever the equivalent is.

    Perhaps we need some sort of "name and shame" website for companies whose subscriber lists have been either breached or sold (e.g. Dell)

    1. Re:Write threatening letters by robbo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      +1. You have no reason to expect an acknowledgement if you just pass it 'up the food chain'. Put it in clear legalese and look forward to a reply from their lawyer. Most likely someone on the inside sold the list for chump change.

      btw did you consider that maybe it's you that's compromised? 8-)

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    2. Re:Write threatening letters by Frojack123 · · Score: 2

      The only solution I've found to be the most effective is sending these companies threatening letters.

      It could just as likely be YOUR site that was compromised, and they found the address in something they sent to you, or some key logger in a coffee shop where you logged on.

      Make sure you are outside of your pristine glass house before you start throwing stones.

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    3. Re:Write threatening letters by erice · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The only solution I've found to be the most effective is sending these companies threatening letters.

      It could just as likely be YOUR site that was compromised, and they found the address in something they sent to you, or some key logger in a coffee shop where you logged on.

      Make sure you are outside of your pristine glass house before you start throwing stones.

      This is incredibly easy to check. If it was local compromise, all addresses would be compromised, not just the one assigned to a particular company. Spam and viruses should be be pouring in to many many addresses. If it was just a single address assigned to a single company then you be pretty sure that it was their system compromised and not yours.

    4. Re:Write threatening letters by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 2

      btw did you consider that maybe it's you that's compromised? 8-)

      If he were, then he would get the same viruspam sent to many, if not all, of his email addresses instead of just one.

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      When information is power, privacy is freedom.
    5. Re:Write threatening letters by nemesisrocks · · Score: 2

      "I create a unique email address for each company I deal with, and each website I register on."

      Why on earth would someone create a mailaddress just to register to a website when mailinator with their gazillion aliases exists?

      $ mysql maildb -e "INSERT INTO aliases VALUES ('mythrowawaylogin@mydomain.com', 'mylogin')"

      Ah, the joys of postfix+mysql and your own domain. Someone spams you, and you don't click the unsubscribe, you just drop the alias

      I even have an alias on my phone to do it for me when I'm out in meatspace.

    6. Re:Write threatening letters by pepsikid · · Score: 2

      I create unique email addresses too. I run a catch-all mailbox, so my scheme doesn't do much to prevent me getting spam. It tells me who has been compromised and I can be a good citizen and let them know. I give them one fair chance, and if they don't respond, or if they're retaliatory towards me, then feck 'em. Nobody ever gets my "real" email address. Most websites simply never respond to my information. If it's a blogger, they infrequently respond, but just to express doubt, and interrogate me about my unique email policy on the grounds that I'm violating some unwritten "real identity" rule of theirs. They can be real jerks to me, the friendly messenger. One major website swore they were secure but had been compromised once over a year before. Since my email naming convention is websitenameyeardate@mydomain, I could prove my email had been harvested much more recently. They still flat out said "didn't happen". Otherwise, almost none of my spam comes from "unique" addresses.

      There is a small handful of once-valid addresses I used as a blogger and forum commenter which continue to get email after many years, even though my email server properly rejects them as unknown mailboxes. Strangely, most spam sent to me is constructed using common names like admin@ contact@ info@ and a short list of asian firstnames@ of all things. If a particular address gets enough activity, I will add it to my blacklist. Setting the server to reject connections from unregistered email servers actually blocks far more spam than complex rules could.

      The most interesting episode was when I kept getting repeated attempts to relay an email to a particular address. I could see by that address, that the recipient was local to me and contacted him. He found his mailbox maxed out with these test emails from servers which -were- relaying. He'd registered at websites using that email address and used the same password everywhere, so when one website was eventually compromised, they tried his password on Road Runner, and had themselves a handy mailbox to dump email relay test results into.

    7. Re:Write threatening letters by man_of_mr_e · · Score: 2

      There are many ways that an email address can get compromised that are not the direct fault of the company you gave it to.

      Since emails are sent in plain text, over the open internet, all it takes is someone sniffing somewhere along the line and collecting email addresses.

      Your original "subscription" may have been over SSL, but the subsequent emails they send out are not.

    8. Re:Write threatening letters by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      It could just as likely be YOUR site that was compromised, and they found the address in something they sent to you, or some key logger in a coffee shop where you logged on.

      Make sure you are outside of your pristine glass house before you start throwing stones.

      This is incredibly easy to check. If it was local compromise, all addresses would be compromised, not just the one assigned to a particular company. Spam and viruses should be be pouring in to many many addresses. If it was just a single address assigned to a single company then you be pretty sure that it was their system compromised and not yours.

      Unless the spammers know that he knows that he only gave the address to one company, so they only used one of the many addresses they harvested to spam him, casting suspicion on that company so he wont think to check his own PC, allowing them to collect a nice list of other email addresses from people he is affiliated with. That way, they get 100 addresses from 100 people, instead of 100 addresses from one guy with his own domain. /paranoia

    9. Re:Write threatening letters by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Has there ever, in the history of the modern Internet, been a proven case of someone "sniffing" something from "the Internet" (defined for this to be beyond the first provider and not as a part of the last provider), aside from government nodes? You might as well be afraid that the aliens are reading your thoughts from orbit.

    10. Re:Write threatening letters by julesh · · Score: 2

      "I create a unique email address for each company I deal with, and each website I register on."

      Does nobody of you morons know of mailinator.com?

      Why on earth would someone create a mailaddress just to register to a website when mailinator with their gazillion aliases exists?

      Just give them mythrowawaylogin@mailinator.com as email address, read it _once_ to click the confirmation link and forget it.

      Reason 1: there are plenty of people using services like this - http://www.block-disposable-email.com/cms/
      Reason 2: I may want to establish an ongoing relationship with a company (e.g. receive newsletters, etc) rather than just have a fire & forget initial contact
      Reason 3: Having email coming to my inbox is more convenient than having to open a web site to view it. (I have a regexp-based email setup that allows me to just make up addresses that match a pattern, and I can add individual addresses to my spam filter if they become compromised, so it's actually easier than using mailinator).

    11. Re:Write threatening letters by julesh · · Score: 1

      How long have you had your domain? I've had mine for 10 years now, and I get a really weird combination of addresses. They've built up slowly over time. Some of them are pretty bizarre and totally unrelated to any address I've ever used. Some appear to derive from corrupted address lists that have been copied over and over (my normal address is myname@mydomain, I regular receive stuff to: mynamemyname@mydomain, myname.mydomain@mydomain, yname@mydomain, etc.) Some appear to be guesses of address I might likely use! (I used to contribute to the 'nasm' open source project, and I regularly get spam to 'nasm.source@mydomain' even though I have never used this address.) Still others are other peoples names @mydomain. I regularly get "brewster43@mydomain".

    12. Re:Write threatening letters by pepsikid · · Score: 1

      Well, including using free subdomain services for the same purpose, I've been doing this since around 1999. I worked for a local ISP and learned lots of neat tricks. I also have noticed a short list of weird, specific address names which I know I've never used before, but still revisit me every once in a while. The disadvantage with my use of a catch-all mailbox is that any random string@ will produce a deliverable email -except- for the blacklisted ones. My guess is someone once made some random email names, which they expected to be rejected, to get a baseline on my email server's behavior towards truly unknown recipients. Somehow they didn't realize I simply had a catch-all, and start bombarding me with spam. But perhaps the test email addresses still got shuffled into a list of valid, delivered ones and then got redistributed for general spamming. Oddly, few others have ever tried sending to random addresses at my domains, so the list, all blacklisted, rarely grows. This suggests that spammers actually avoid domains with catch-alls because they can't be bothered to generate a few thousand random email addresses to sell. If that changes, I'll have to switch to a whitelist scheme and set up disposable email addresses before I use them.

    13. Re:Write threatening letters by Buchenskjoll · · Score: 1

      Why would aliens read our thoughts from orbit? They walk among others....

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    14. Re:Write threatening letters by Buchenskjoll · · Score: 1

      sorry 'us', not 'others'.

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      -- Make America hate again!
    15. Re:Write threatening letters by dissy · · Score: 2

      Most likely someone on the inside sold the list for chump change.

      Another possibility is one of their desktop computers got infected with malware that grabbed the Outlook global address book and email contact history and sent it back to the mothership.

      These things were notorious a couple years back. If the domain does not use SPF records (and even some times if it does) using the address book for forged From addresses while sending to the addresses found in the Sent box and contact lists, it has a decent chance of hitting a white-list and getting by more spam filters than it normally would otherwise.

      Once one PC is infected by a drive by download or something and grabs the Outlook data, the spammers have a nice list of valid addresses and names to send emails with infected attachments to, to hopefully grab other peoples contact lists and sent box items to broaden the attack.

      Unfortunately not every mail server admin has the luxury if simply blocking anything incoming matching "If the To address is not our domain, or the From address IS our domain"
      Worse, it's rare to be blessed with users who never open attachments even if the From address appears to be someone they have had contact with before.

      I can't really say which option is actually more likely than the other, but I would think both rank pretty high up there on the possibility charts.

      In both cases the situation could very well not be the fault of the company itself, but only in the case of infection would the IT staff likely discover early on what happened. If an email list was sold off by an (ex)employee they can't realistically know until reports come in telling them like the poster has sent.

      Of course that isn't to say it definitely is not the fault of the company, one way or another.
      Lax security would make matters that much worse, but as we all know Windows can quite easily destroy any attempts made at being secure. Then there is the disgruntled employee selling off the email list, yet he/she could have became disgruntled for a valid reason.

      But their complete lack of response is at best impolite and at worse indicative of not even caring.
      I can understand why they wouldn't necessarily want to confirm the problem or provide details to "some outside 3rd party", but they could have at the very least acknowledged receiving his email and stated they will look into it.

    16. Re:Write threatening letters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Has there ever, in the history of the modern Internet, been a proven case of someone "sniffing" something from "the Internet" (defined for this to be beyond the first provider and not as a part of the last provider), aside from government nodes?

      Yes. The huge sting of warez group top sites that happened about a decade or so back now was the result of an employee at a backbone provider monitoring and logging traffic through the edge routers.

      While this was done partially in cooperation with the feds, it was not done with the feds hardware or any logging nodes put there for this purpose. I say partially because the feds never requested this info first, nor was the company itself initially involved.

      Apparently one of the employees at one of those backbones was a member of a top site he suspected was under investigation, and so took it upon himself to gather this data to turn over to the feds to cover his own ass.

      While I would expect if the feds come asking for data, the company is likely to cooperate. But in this case it at least started off with a single employee taking it upon himself to do this logging, and more frighteningly he had the ability to do so on the backbones edge routers.

      It was always thought the bandwidth of those routers alone would make logging like this impractical, but not only can it be done, but apparently with little to no oversight of the other senior network engineers.

      (For anyone wondering, the magic words here are Hurricane Electric)

    17. Re:Write threatening letters by faedle · · Score: 2

      As someone who has spent his entire life working at various ISPs, the answer is "yes."

    18. Re:Write threatening letters by PlusFiveTroll · · Score: 1

      Open wireless access points.

    19. Re:Write threatening letters by PlusFiveTroll · · Score: 1

      I managed a domain for a client where the domain was similar to a large universities domain. One day spam just started flooding in to every username and combination of username you could imagine. Catchall was the first to go (getting 80,000+ messages a day, around a connection a second). I started blocking IP addresses of the senders, but they changed frequently and there where hundreds. At the time I accepted all mail, and deleted ones to addresses that didn't exist after passing it thru the spam detection system. But that ate up way to much CPU time. Eventually after a few weeks of this, I set the SMTP service to give a 553 error once a bad address was detected. Once 10 bad mail from were detected I stuck the IP in iptables for two days. The attack finally stopped a few days later. I don't have the logs about bad addresses any more, but they were being auto generated from what I could tell...

      john@
      john1@-john9999@
      johna@-johnzzzz@
      john.aname@-john.zname@

      for john, bob, thomas, and any other of the common U.S. names you could think of.

    20. Re:Write threatening letters by eth1 · · Score: 1

      Has there ever, in the history of the modern Internet, been a proven case of someone "sniffing" something from "the Internet" (defined for this to be beyond the first provider and not as a part of the last provider), aside from government nodes? You might as well be afraid that the aliens are reading your thoughts from orbit.

      Given how sleazy most of the large ISPs are, I wouldn't put it past them to sniff email addresses and sell the list, especially if you're using their outbound relay.

    21. Re:Write threatening letters by Mojo66 · · Score: 1

      I've seen the same as well. Suppose I'd register with abcdefg@mydomain.org, my catchall would receive mail addressed to bcdefg, abcde, cdef, and so forth. It's really hard to deal with those kind of spammers.

    22. Re:Write threatening letters by Kaenneth · · Score: 1

      ... and what are the odds that the response from their lawyers will be the threat of a lawsuit against you for disclosing, extortion, charged with being the hacker...

      I wouldn't send a 'legal letter' to a company in a potential advesary position, without having my own lawyer in on it.

    23. Re:Write threatening letters by TekPolitik · · Score: 1

      Unless the spammers know that he knows that he only gave the address to one company, so they only used one of the many addresses they harvested to spam him, casting suspicion on that company so he wont think to check his own PC, allowing them to collect a nice list of other email addresses from people he is affiliated with. That way, they get 100 addresses from 100 people, instead of 100 addresses from one guy with his own domain. /paranoia

      I think, but am not certain, that you are being sarcastic. But just in case, spammers do not go to that kind of effort. They do not have time to go to that kind of effort.

    24. Re:Write threatening letters by pepsikid · · Score: 1

      LOL, so, in stages, the spam flood finally forced you to configure the email server properly? It could have been one of your colleagues who you were ignoring. ;)

  4. Move On by mrtwice99 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What would you recommend as my next course of action?

    Nothing. Seriously. You tried, they didn't listen. Typical. Now find something more deserving of your attention to spend your time on. :)

    1. Re:Move On by Rinnon · · Score: 2

      Nothing. Seriously. You tried, they didn't listen. Typical. Now find someone more deserving of your business to spend your money on. :)

      There, fixed that for you. =)

  5. Depends... by xlsior · · Score: 5, Insightful

    - How unusual is the username portion on the email address? There have been a lot of spammers over the years that blast random emails to commonname@yourdomain.com. Mike, John, Bob, etc. are more likely to receive spam than sdvjsdvkj@domain.com

    - Is the email address in question visible to other people? e.g. registered forum members for the software in question? Sometimes people sign up for a forum just to be able to harvest the otherwise hidden addresses of other forum members

    1. Re:Depends... by ssfire · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yup. When I set up an account with Ameritrade, I initially created an email address ameritrade@mydomain.com. Then I started getting spam on it. But the spammers might have guessed that email address. So I created a new non-guessable email address ameritrade_29478763@mydomain.com. But then I started getting spam on that. So I notified Ameritrade. No response, so I closed my account. A few months later, there was a news item that a trojan running on the Ameritrade servers had compromised 6.3 million email addresses.

    2. Re:Depends... by whoever57 · · Score: 2

      I (not the submittor) frequently use +@. It is quite clear that at least one site where I registered has let their subscriber list escape. But what is funny is that the scripts or programs that the spammers use frequently don't process the "+" addresses properly. So my mailserver rejects lots of emails that are sent to non-existent addresses in the form: @.

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      The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
    3. Re:Depends... by plover · · Score: 3, Insightful

      - Is the email address in question visible to other people? e.g. registered forum members for the software in question? Sometimes people sign up for a forum just to be able to harvest the otherwise hidden addresses of other forum members

      This is the first thing I thought of. I've seen small companies send out mass emails to blocks of people, sharing my name with the hundreds of other customers on the list. I've seen support postings with email addresses embedded as links behind the user names. Both of those are the faults of the companies that engaged in such behavior, but aren't quite the same as a "compromised" list.

      Obviously, the author's intent was to leave himself in an anti-spam position, to be able to simply block the compromised address to stop further spam. I suggest he exercise that option and move on. He's notified them to the best of his ability. Further activity, such as trying to name-and-shame the company, could end up with their lawyers sending him cease-and-desist nastygrams. I'm not a lawyer so I can't tell him if those kinds of letters have legal merit, but if he has to hire a lawyer to get an answer to questions like thta, it could cost him money.

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      John
    4. Re:Depends... by nabsltd · · Score: 1

      I (not the submittor) frequently use <myname>+<site name>@<mydomain>.

      One of the issues with this is that <myname>@<mydomain> will be delivered, too. And, if that's your "real" e-mail address, then it's now out there for spammers to hit.

      If you instead use something that doesn't rely on special address parsing (like <myname><site name>@<mydomain> or <myname>@<site name>.<mydomain>), you can just ditch the e-mail address once it is compromised. There are a couple of companies that I had to do this to simply because their "you've done business with us, which we consider an opt-in" mailing list has no reasonable way to unsubscribe.

    5. Re:Depends... by whoever57 · · Score: 2

      Another problem with using "plus addressing" as I describe above is that I have come across legitimate companies who use a website for unsubscribe requests, but their website will not process the address I used.

      How to unsubscribe then?

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      The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
    6. Re:Depends... by gregmac · · Score: 1

      Many, many years ago when I got my first domain, I set up *@domain.com to forward to me. And about 5 minutes and several spams/garbage from the owner of the domain before me later, I turned it off.

      However, I did end up making a subdomain and forwarding everything (*@sub.mydomain.com), and I've been using it exclusively for signing up to sites ever since (I've probably been using it for ~13 years). I can think of about two occasions where I have actually got spam to any of the addresses I used, both were from shady companies that turned on a 'share my address' setting without prompting (or it was so buried that I missed it, I usually spot those). I've never gotten any dictionary-style spam attacks to the subdomain or mail to an address I didn't explicitly use.

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      Speak before you think
    7. Re:Depends... by PlusFiveTroll · · Score: 1

      Use myname@site name.mydomain

      And change site name.mydomain to their mail servers! : D

    8. Re:Depends... by Jawnn · · Score: 1

      This is the first thing I thought of. I've seen small companies send out mass emails to blocks of people, sharing my name with the hundreds of other customers on the list.

      This is, by far, the most likely explanation.
      Some of my wife's relatives are of the "forward-to-all every-damn-thing-that-hits-my-mailbox" type. Naturally, every email address in the relative's address book is in the CC: line. So every desktop that sees those emails now has her email address, with predictable results. It is far more likely that some desktop that has seen your secret email address in a CC: is to blame. Not saying that it could not be a server. Lord knows that happens often enough, but Occam's Razor and all.

    9. Re:Depends... by j-beda · · Score: 1

      Some of my wife's relatives are of the "forward-to-all every-damn-thing-that-hits-my-mailbox" type. Naturally, every email address in the relative's address book is in the CC: line. So every desktop that sees those emails now has her email address, with predictable results.

      I have a boilerplate response that I send (repeatedly) to friends, family, and various administrators, who do this. I really don't want to get mail with 800+ recipients' email addresses. Also of use is a template for bogus rumors linking to http://www.snopes.com/ .

      It goes something like this:

              xxxxx,

              Sending email to lots of people who might not want their email addresses exchanged with random strangers, or others, is pretty rude. We get enough junk email without having all of your contacts' virus infested machines having a copy of my email address on them. I suspect that current privacy legislation prohibits this sort of behaviour. If you must send email messages out to lots of people, please use the Bcc header rather than "To:" or "Cc:"

              Here is a copy of a message I typically send out to people who send me huge lists of strangers addresses:

              I cannot recall if I have mentioned this to you recently, but I figure I will mention it again. Most of this is "boilerplate" that I send to everyone who makes the same mistake that you did, hopefully it is not too impersonal...

              The message you just sent included the email address of ALL (or at least A LOT) of the recipients in either the "To:" or the "Cc:" fields, so that all recipients could view the others' email addresses. I recognize that there are reasons why it might be nice to include all recipients in an easily viewed format, but in general I think it is a bad idea. What with the amount of junk email that we all get, and the increased incidence of email worms/viruses which spread by finding new addresses to send themselves to, exposing private email addresses of your corespondents to each other is a bad idea.

              In the recent past I have started receiving email viruses addressed to email addresses that are directly linked to people using them in legitimate "mass mailings" such as yours. If any one of the listed people's machines is or ever gets infected, all of your recipients could start getting junk and/or virus email from those infected machines. This is only one small reason for avoiding the practice. There are larger security and privacy issues to consider too.

              Much better is to use the "bcc" header whenever possible when sending to large numbers of recipients. It looks neater to each recipient not having to read through a huge list of addresses, and provides some privacy protections. Here is some information about "bcc" in email in case it might be of use to you:

      http://www.cs.rutgers.edu/~watrous/bcc-for-privacy.html

              Thanks for your attention to this issue.

    10. Re:Depends... by nabsltd · · Score: 1

      Use myname@site name.mydomain

      Although I suggested this, too, I now realize it has the same problem as plus addressing, in that either the initial sign-up or the unsubscribe might use a broken test when trying to determine if the e-mail address is legitimate.

      I have personally dealt with co-workers who assumed that the domain name must be of the format "word.exactly3characters". New top-level domains have at least killed the thought that all TLDs are 3 characters long, but the "only one period in the domain name" belief is still there for some people.

      And change site name.mydomain to their mail servers! : D

      I find your ideas intriguing, and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

    11. Re:Depends... by ibennetch · · Score: 1

      Another problem with using "plus addressing" as I describe above is that I have come across legitimate companies who use a website for unsubscribe requests, but their website will not process the address I used.

      Yeah, it's actually worse than that. There are legitimate companies that can't send mail at all to an address containing a plus sign. It's all bad (lazy? ignorant??) programming and doesn't conform to the standards, but there isn't a thing I can do about it. If I want to get mail from certain companies, I can't use the plus notation (most recently it was a small local computer shop of all things). Frustrating, but I've given up on fighting about it.

  6. Public Shaming by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's practically impossible to get anyone to acknowledge something like that. From their perspective they just think you are yet another ass who thinks they know more about the internet than they really do.

    I don't even bother any more. I get spam/malware it goes into the block list and I don't do business with the company anymore. If you really care about it, make it public. If you have a blog make an entry about it and hope it shows up in google. Or post the info here, if it gets modded up google will probably index it.

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    When information is power, privacy is freedom.
    1. Re:Public Shaming by binarybum · · Score: 1

      I do the same thing with email and my domain name. I suspect that while sometimes the lists are being compromised, other times the companies are selling the lists to spammers for extra cash. I do address the companies when this occurs, and usually the response is something along the lines of ' you have no idea what you are talking about, spammers use random generators and word lists - your experience is likely purely coincidental' (I call total BS on this since you would clearly be receiving all kinds of spam from the exact same sources at other emails on the domain - btw, Xlsior must work in customer service for one of these companies =) Then I capitalize on the unique address and create a filter.
          Since you mentioned the idea of posting the info here, I'll get a grudge off my chest. One of the heaviest spam loads I received was years ago from J&R (jr.com). They didn't handle it well, and I still avoid orders with them despite their established reputation as a top electronics distributor. In fairness it was over 10years ago, so I'm not suggesting this is still going on there, but simply to point out that blowing off customers trying to help point out some kind of abuse in your system leaves behind a very foul taste.

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      ôó
    2. Re:Public Shaming by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      spammers use random generators and word lists - your experience is likely purely coincidental' (I call total BS on this since you would clearly be receiving all kinds of spam from the exact same sources at other emails on the domain

      Sometimes this really is true, though. I had a customer accuse me of selling his custom address, but he'd picked a two-letter code as the custom part. I'm 99% sure it was just a lucky guess by a spammer. I've certainly also gotten batches of spam that were clearly a sequence of common names and short strings.

      That's not to say all spam works that way, and I know plenty of companies do sell their lists.

  7. That is what I would do by fredprado · · Score: 3

    If you are hiring a security related service or any service that depends on security of information, cancel it and go somewhere else. They are obviously not worried about security and have proved that they are pretty much unreachable in case of any problem.

    Either way, even if the service you are hiring it is unimportant enough to allow you to live with this kind of practices, I advise you, regardless of how right you may be about their problems, to stop wasting your time trying to help those that are not interested in being helped.

  8. Shame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's simple. Public Shame on likes like this and theregister.

  9. why care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I have to ask.....why do you care? It's not your problem. Just delete the email address and continue living your life as you normally would. You tried your best.

    1. Re:why care? by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      I have to ask.....why do you care? It's not your problem.

      Maybe he's slightly control freak and would desperately want to get that problem fixed behind the scenes in their systems.

    2. Re:why care? by brian.stinar · · Score: 1

      Exactly! Why would this person go to so much trouble to even find a "next course of action?" Having your own mail domain is pretty cool for this kind of thing, but why spend ANY time trying to ensure the integrity of a mail list for some other company? I think a generic letter to send out when this happens is probably the extent any good Samaritan should reasonably go to.

      I would recommend the "next course of action" being to delete the email address that is part of a compromised list, make a new one for communicating with the company, and then don't worry about it anymore.

  10. Compromised, all hope is lost... by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

        If you've let them know, and they ignore it, there's nothing you can do. You can't make anyone do anything.

        You could publicly shame them. That runs the risk of lawsuits, and possibly being pointed to as the intruder.

        All you should really do is unsubscribe from the list, and block any email coming in to that account. Unsubscribing won't stop the viruses, as the intruder as almost definitely fed it to their botnet. It may only (hopefully) keep you from being compromised in the future. The question is, do they delete unsubscribed accounts, or just change the subscription flag(s)?

        It's good that you chose to use a unique account. It won't harm you when you block it. Think of all the users who used their primary account.

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    Serious? Seriousness is well above my pay grade.
  11. Once You Eliminate The Impossible... by guttentag · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.
    -Arthur Conan Doyle

    Have you considered the probability that perhaps they meant to send you a virus? What sort of tools are these? The system administration tools, I mean, not the people who can't properly administer their systems but expect to help you administer yours.

  12. You're not helping, honestly by realmolo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Even if they know the list is "compromised", what are they supposed to do about it? It's already out there. Do you expect them to go after the spammers? Because that's essentially impossible. If they're not in the United States, it really *is* impossible.

    That's why you haven't got a response. They know, but there's nothing they can do.

    And frankly, if you had decent spam filters on your own personal domain, you probably wouldn't be seeing these emails anyway. I doubt anyone with a Gmail or Yahoo or Outlook.com address sees this stuff.

    My suggestions? Quit worrying about it, and quit running your own mail server. You may think you know what you are doing, but you almost certainly don't.

    1. Re:You're not helping, honestly by hawguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even if they know the list is "compromised", what are they supposed to do about it? It's already out there. Do you expect them to go after the spammers? Because that's essentially impossible. If they're not in the United States, it really *is* impossible.

      That's why you haven't got a response. They know, but there's nothing they can do.

      And frankly, if you had decent spam filters on your own personal domain, you probably wouldn't be seeing these emails anyway. I doubt anyone with a Gmail or Yahoo or Outlook.com address sees this stuff.

      My suggestions? Quit worrying about it, and quit running your own mail server. You may think you know what you are doing, but you almost certainly don't.

      Disclosing the data breach to everyone affected would be nice (and in some states is legally required), as well as letting customers know what data was breached..

      Of course, this assumes that they actually know how the data leaked and which customers were affected and they probably don't.

    2. Re:You're not helping, honestly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not legally required if it doesn't have protected kinds of information like CC#'s. Legal requirements for just email addresses? That's psychotic.

    3. Re:You're not helping, honestly by erice · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Even if they know the list is "compromised", what are they supposed to do about it? It's already out there. Do you expect them to go after the spammers?

      I expect them to plug the hole.

      A compromised system is not a one-shot embarrassment. If you don't plug the hole, whoever compromised the system the first time will keep coming back for more data or will expand the breach to other systems.

      1) If it an external breach, I expect back doors to be closed, vulnerabilities patched, account passwords changed, etc. This won't likely happen overnight but simply knowing that there is a breach and what kind of a data is stolen is big help providing the admins get their heads out the sand and acknowledge that there is a problem.

      2) If it an unauthorized inside job, I expect the perpetrator to eventually be found and fired for cause with at least the possibility of criminal prosecution.

      3) If it is an authorized inside job, I want the practice stopped permanently and I hope to see whoever approved the policy removed.

      Unfortunately, all these require work and significant risk. The easiest "solution" is to deny there is a problem and, if necessary,blame the person reporting the issue. The vast majority of people, completely ignorant on how spammers harvest address and completely dependent on services like Google to filter out the bad and not lose to much of the good are not the wiser.

    4. Re:You're not helping, honestly by GrayNimic · · Score: 1

      And frankly, if you had decent spam filters on your own personal domain, you probably wouldn't be seeing these emails anyway. I doubt anyone with a Gmail or Yahoo or Outlook.com address sees this stuff.

      My suggestions? Quit worrying about it, and quit running your own mail server. You may think you know what you are doing, but you almost certainly don't.

      Being aware of attempts to get past your security is a sign of incompetence?

    5. Re:You're not helping, honestly by PlusFiveTroll · · Score: 1

      >And frankly, if you had decent spam filters on your own personal domain, you probably wouldn't be seeing these emails anyway. I doubt anyone with a Gmail or Yahoo or Outlook.com address sees this stuff.

      Depends how and how many were sent. If you were on any of the above and gave me your mail, I could send you a spam that wouldn't be classified or blocked. Because I would only send one. GYO blocks most spam going to you because they get hundreds of copies of it (or similar so it fails sameness tests). It is like being part of a herd, you're protected by numbers, but not from individual attack. And you are more at risk when disease strikes the herd.

  13. Trash by wirefall · · Score: 1

    I do the same thing, and have had the same response...for each instance, all future messages to that e-mail address go straight to trash. Problem solved.

    1. Re:Trash by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't that make you look a bit desperate?

  14. Nothing by masterz · · Score: 1

    Tell them once. That's as good as you can do. I've had my email address compromised from a well known financial institution. Of course the person I spoke to didn't know anything about it or why it was their fault. Two years later they publicly admitted they were hacked.
    I find that a lot of leaked addresses are from failed companies, whose websites no longer exist.
    There are many websites out there that are compromised. You would be quite surprised. I wish there was an easy way to post these so others could know.

  15. Compromised, you sure? by dmomo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Or they knowingly sold your address.

  16. May be less severe than a compromised list. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I used this technique for many years (since the 90s) and one thing I've come to realize when this happens is that it's more likely that the computer used by a customer service or sales person has been infected, and that somehow your address has made it from their ERP/CRM into Outlook or another program commonly scanned by viruses like this (maybe even just the web browser cache files). So it's probably not a compromised subscriber list, just a random compromised system that happened to have a few customer email addresses accessible to the virus.

    But as others have said, good luck getting anyone to admit/notice/care. Even if you can, your address is already in the spam database and it'll stay there for years. I finally gave up on custom addresses last year and just rely on Google's spam filters (esp. after finding out how few sites support plus addressing so I could do it from gmail).

  17. Use This Thunderbird Plugin by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Informative

    This does not directly address the question, but it is topical.

    I do the same thing with my domain and it was always a hassle to make sure I filled in the correct From: address on each email I sent. Then I found the Virtual Identity Plugin for thunderbird.

    It automagically remembers what From: address to use with what To: address. It also makes the From: line fully editable on the fly and remembers what you used for the next time. It makes it dead simple to make sure that you never accidentally leak one of your unique addresses to the wrong person/company.

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    1. Re:Use This Thunderbird Plugin by arth1 · · Score: 1

      How does that work when you send e-mail from half a dozen different systems, including Outlook, pine, Android mail, sendmail, and in a pinch, even telnet to port 25 or openssl to port 465/587?

      Solutions that require a particular piece of software aren't. They're short-lived workarounds at best, and fetters you at worst.

    2. Re:Use This Thunderbird Plugin by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How does that work when you send e-mail from half a dozen different systems, including Outlook, pine, Android mail, sendmail, and in a pinch, even telnet to port 25 or openssl to port 465/587?

      You made your bed, now sleep in it.

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    3. Re:Use This Thunderbird Plugin by nabsltd · · Score: 1

      How does that work when you send e-mail from half a dozen different systems, including Outlook, pine, Android mail, sendmail, and in a pinch, even telnet to port 25 or openssl to port 465/587?

      These are one-off addresses tied to each company and are used for preventing spam to a personal e-mail address, and most of them aren't ever used to send e-mail. The few times you need to, it's also usually not critical that the e-mail be answered right now (unlike a business e-mail), so you can wait a bit until you are at one of your machines with the correct software (because you aren't going to be doing this from random machines, ever, as it's still your personal e-mail).

      If you are really desperate, though, you just run some remote access software to get to a machine with the right software.

  18. They May Not Know by jarich · · Score: 1

    It's possible the list was snagged by a disgruntled (or ex) employee who sold the list. The Powers That Be may not believe the list has been compromised. A few back channel comments and/or a FB isn't actionable proof.

    I'd post to their support email line (I'm assuming they have one?) and provide the unique email address you used. Provide more detail than this post. Then if they still ignore, share it on publicly as a public service to their other customers.

    I had a friend that was in a similar situation. A company that handled their mass emails had an employee grab a ~ton~ of addresses when he quit. It took a few reports, but once they realized what had happened, they acted.

  19. Course of action? by OhANameWhatName · · Score: 1

    What would you recommend as my next course of action?

    Post the the company's details to /. and hold your breath.

  20. Another possibility by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

    Is it at all possible that you're the one who was cracked, and that's how the email address got into the wild?

  21. good luck with that by anyaristow · · Score: 1

    I've been doing that for more than ten years and I've never gotten a satisfactory response. Somebody will give your carefully-crafted letter fifteen seconds of thought and send you a form letter about phishing or clicking on sketchy links or whatever. They don't understand the dedicated email thing, or that they have a problem. So, you gave your explanation to some geeks you think will "get it", but ultimately they'll have to tell some non-geeks about it, and they'll give it fifteen seconds of consideration and dismiss it.

    I've found three online flower sellers, one music equipment manufacturer, a credit reporting agency and a well-known seller of language instruction materials, and a couple I don't remember, have been compromised. Not a lot for more than a decade, but some notable failures.

    1. Re:good luck with that by TekPolitik · · Score: 1

      Sometims their "geek" is the problem. I got copies of emails from ASIC (an Australian government agency) under FOI, in which their supposed Internet geek insisted an email address was invalid because it didn't end with one of the big 5 TLDs or a CCTLD. When you're dealing with that kind of rank incompetence, you have no hope of getting a reasonable outcome.

  22. Too much bother by no-body · · Score: 1

    No way you can win.
    Same situation here with individual email addresses per recipient.

    If it's SPAM - report to Spamcop. After 3 SPAM's change address of individual addressee or disable it if it's older than 3 years and not used since.

    The interesting part with this game is to see how many users are putting plain email addresses in CC, so when one of the many gets compromised, everyone else on that header gets spammed.

  23. Did you? by ls671 · · Score: 1

    Hi, I run my own mail domain to.

    I would have re-audited my system and made really sure the leak did not come from a different attack vector before pinpointing them.

    Did you parse the headers of the spam to get more clues?

    Most companies won't spend time because another network administrator tells them they have something wrong. Rule one is always to prove your facts almost without a doubt otherwise they may not listen to you or take action.

    Try creating another account from a clean install to see if same happens.

    I always look at my own network first.

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  24. Another possibility. by Raven42rac · · Score: 1

    It could very well have just been guessed, the spammers' mail servers are more than likely more than capable of shotgun blasting millions of messages to $randomstring@domain.com in less time than you'd think, and if you change the replyto address, you don't even get the bouncebacks.

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    1. Re:Another possibility. by seebs · · Score: 2

      People keep suggesting this, but time and again we find that the reason that highly specific tagged addresses are getting spammed is that someone leaked or compromised a list.

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    2. Re:Another possibility. by Raven42rac · · Score: 1

      I'd actually love to see a citation on this, I could google it but maybe you have an article handy. I generally err on the side of brute force or social engineering rather than out and out "hack" or system compromise.

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    3. Re:Another possibility. by faedle · · Score: 1

      The evidence doesn't support this theory.

      I work for a regional ISP, and I manage the mail servers. While we do see some traffic with [common word]@ourdomain.com, it's not always a productive attack vector. While you can pretty much expect to get spam at sales@ourdomain.com, support@ourdomain.com, and a few others, aside from a few hundred common names most spammers don't bother.

      And it makes sense, if for no other reason that the first exchanger you talk to may not be the one that hosts the user information. There are some pretty large mail systems out there that the external facing MTA will accept everything and then try to route it. Secondly, more than one mail appliance out there will temporarily ban a sending IP when it detects this sort of attempt (ours will add a ban if you attempt 5 invalid RCPT TO: destinations in less than 10 minutes, on a sliding scale [the quicker they come in, the longer the ban: 5 in a single transaction is 72 hours]). I won't even touch the fact that there are honeypot MTAs out there specifically looking for this behavior, and the quickest way into one of the anti-spam databases is to try this stunt.

    4. Re:Another possibility. by Raven42rac · · Score: 1

      Okay see what you are describing are best practices, which completely ignores the bad practices that organizations actually.......practice. They do bother, since it doesn't cost them a damn thing to get an invalid address bounceback to an address that isn't theirs. If you shotgun out enough messages about your 30 dollar dick pills and 1 percent of people buy them, congratulations, you've just made money.

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  25. They didn't suffer a breach buddy ... by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 1

    The list was sold. Yes, it happens more often than you think. If the company itself didn't sell it, then somebody on the inside made an extra buck. That's why nobody will acknowledge your complaint.

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  26. here's one way. by DragonTHC · · Score: 1

    simple, use the compromised list to email them telling them so.

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  27. Re:Custom email addresses by cbhacking · · Score: 1

    Trivially easy to canonicalize that to YourName@gmail.com, and since that approach is so well-known, any competent spammer (not a self-contradiction, nice though it would be; there's a lot of money to be made) will be able to strip such "custom" addresses to the real address. If you want this approach to actually work, you need to blacklist the root address (yourname@) using filters (I'm assuming Gmail filters cna handle that) and only accept mail that has the identifying tag.

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  28. Where do you think spammers get their lists? by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

    First off if you are bothering to create separate email accounts for each site you know full well the risks of giving anyone your email address. How do you think spammers get everyones email addresses? Tooth fairy?

    Secondly jumping to conclusions is ususally not prudent. "knew immediately that either their systems or their subscriber list had been compromised"

    For all we know your system could be hacked and you just don't know it or you've got a directory server or vrfy enabled and the account was brute forced.

    The site could well be selling or sharing their customer list with others who are compromised or who are reselling it to spammers. They could be sending emails to other mailboxes where the user is compromised.

    Thinking you know whats up is bad enough.

    Thinking they owe you some sort of "official response" is whacked.

  29. I don't think you do... by seebs · · Score: 1

    I used to be a member of a professional society. I started getting spam to the unique, tagged, address I'd used to register with them. I pointed this out on a mailing list. I got threatening notes from them about how they didn't appreciate me implying that they had sold addresses or been compromised...

    Blizzard ignored queries from me about the sudden appearance of spam (from their servers, even) to unique, tagged, addresses. A week after they blew me off, there was an announcement that they'd been compromised, so maybe they actually did investigate, but they sure never got back to me in any way.

    So basically, I don't think you can convince them unless they start out caring.

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  30. Happened with Star Trek Online by Spikeles · · Score: 1

    Star Trek Online had this happen. I had an email address specific to that site and it got spammed. Heaps of other people with similar site only email addresses mentioned the same thing on the forums. Don't know if they ever publicly admitted it.

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  31. Submitter has never filed a bug report. by Rod+Beauvex · · Score: 1

    Otherwise he would know that geeks don't make mistakes, and it's all your own stupidity.

  32. Maybe they did knew already. by Thanatiel · · Score: 1

    If the address you used for them is the only one that has got infected emails in a small time window ...

    Maybe they are affraid of their reputation.
    Maybe they are the one who sold the list.
    Maybe they just don't care.

    It does not really matters : they failed to protect their custommers.

    I also have used one email address made unique for each "service" contact for years.
    I don't even bother to complain anymore when something fishy happens : I simply overwrite all the (mostly already wrong) information for the benefit of their database then delete/disable the account and delete the email address.
    This also work wonders for "lesser" social contacts that may be ... unenlighted ... enough to forward a chain mail.

    By the way, knowing the name of said provider would help your fellow geeks & nerds.

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  33. Are you sure it's compromised? by zedrdave · · Score: 1

    Had the same problem, except with very obnoxious scammy spams and the company in question was Bank of America (overnight, the dedicated address went from BofA only, to dozens of such spams).

    My personal guess was that these morons must have sold their list to somebody (or cross-marketed, or whatever other stupid idea one of their coked-up marketing exec came up with) who in turn sold it and so on, all the way to the darker recesses of the internets. A chain is only as weak as its weakest leak, so once they decide to sell the data, you can be certain it will end up everywhere.

  34. You don't always have to make new addresses by grilled-cheese · · Score: 1

    Some mail hosts & websites support using +notation in email addresses (i.e. gmail & google apps). So rather than generating new email addresses for everything, I do something like myemail+webpage@mydomain.com. When you look at who the email was sent to it should repeat this same pattern.

  35. Or even just a polite letter, or phone call by dbIII · · Score: 2

    It's likely that the informal communications channels just did not inform.

  36. Knowing the right channel by 12dec0de · · Score: 1

    First of, I hold the idea, that the list was sold, very likely. They will never admit to that. You might want to check their privacy statement and take actions according to that (see post by nemesisrocks).

    But for a self confessed geek with his/her own email domain, the OP shows shows an alarming lack of knowing the proper channels.

    This is a problem with email, so maybe the OP should have send a mail to 'abuse@company.com' or even 'postmaster@company.com'. Not place something on the facebook page, that only gets read by some marketing drone.

    Don't you guys ever read the RFCs that are relevant for you?

  37. Starbucks is also guilty by Ingenium13 · · Score: 1

    I created a special email address for Starbucks several years ago, starbucks@mydomain.com, and I started getting spam on it within weeks after giving it to them. And this wasn't just "legitimate" third party spam, but was penis enlargement type spam. I set a gmail filter to always trash anything coming to that address, and every time I check the trash there are still a bunch of spam emails coming in to that address. So I don't know whether Starbucks sold the address to a third party who may or may not have sold it to someone else, or whether it was stolen from Starbucks, or what.

  38. Don't buy their anti-virus products! by kawabago · · Score: 1

    Or anything else for that matter.

  39. Eavesdropper in the middle? by Rotaluclac · · Score: 1

    An email address travels through several systems between you and the other side. This applies to the time when you fill in your email address in a web form, and even more so when the company sends out emails to your address.

    Thus, it may be premature to conclude that the fault is with the company. Eavesdropping may have occurred at any of the intermediate systems.

  40. Considerations for jetkins by Barryke · · Score: 1

    First, no news is good news.
    Second, You are already on that spammers list. You shouldn't expect to suddenly stop receiving spam.
    Third, here are two tests to consider to take away any doubts.

    1) Rule out man in the middle attack.
    Its very possible for your (or any intermediate) machine to be infected and passed along your keystrokes or detected email addresses in network packets.
    If you could setup a scenario where this is ruled out. Register on a different (clean) machine, using a different email address, possibly using https or VPN.

    2) Confirm that the machine/list is still compromised.
    Covered by test 1 actually, watching incoming email (compared to your existing spam case) this tells you that its not an old list being circulated, but that new addresses are included in the next spam batch.

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  41. Common by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
    Since most people don't use unique addresses, they won't be aware of the source of the spam, so they don't report it. The few of us who do are treated as troublemakers.

    When I have reported this, every time I was told that it was my problem, that I had a virus, or that I was an idiot/a troll/etc. Never did anyone take any responsibility or take any action.

  42. Full Disclosure by Tom · · Score: 2

    Passing something "up the chain" is a sure fire way to ensure it gets lost. And notifying a company behind-the-scenes of a security issue has a success rate so low, it could still legally drive.

    It's good to give them the chance. Once. With a short time for a reply. Make sure your tell them you expect a reply until (insert date). If they don't reply, or bullshit you, go full disclosure with names and details. Bad publicity is about the only thing you can create that gets a company into motion.

    If there is applicable legislation and an official you can contact, do that as well. Many states and countries require companies to disclose known data breaches.

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  43. Is your mail hosted at Network Solutions? by tlambert · · Score: 1

    Is your mail hosted at Network Solutions?

    If so, I have a friend in the same boat. They've recently switched their cheapest hosting solution to no longer filter SPAM; in order to get SPAM filtering, you have to "upgrade" to a more expensive hosting solution. They've decided that they can monetize SPAM filtering, and so they've discontinued it from the cheap accounts to incentivize you to upgrade to a more expensive account - or just switch providers to one that SPAM filters, but they figure you won't do that.

    Note that my friend expected, like you, that the email addresses the SPAM started coming in on were also unknown, but they were common enough address names, and the SPAMmers tend to target entire dictionaries until they find ones that don't bounce, so even things like "movies123@" started getting the SPAM. This isn't necessarily what you're seeing, since you aren't actually giving a lot of useful diagnostic information in your question, but it's a possibility.

  44. Now you know who knows its job by opus_magnum · · Score: 1

    and who doesn't.
    Act accordingly when buying services.

  45. Levels of escalation by strredwolf · · Score: 1

    1. Open up the compromizing email's headers. Locate the first ISP beyond yours -- 99% of the time it's not there's. Contact THAT company.
    2. File a complaint with the FCC. They are getting more active against exploits.
    3. Locate your Attorney General's office and ask if there are any state laws against spam. There is one in Maryland that is compatible with CAN SPAM, and has been tested in the courts. If you got one, lawyer up and sue the company -- some companies only respond by judicial inquiry.
    4. Blacklist the company publicly.

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  46. This was my first thought by phorm · · Score: 1

    There are many ways to get an email address. Having their servers compromised is only one. If you start a new account and it get spammed right away, it's a better indicating of ongoing compromise.

    Ways to lose your email address to spammers:
    * having the company's systems compromised.
    * having local systems (your PC or email service) compromised.
    * having the address sold to some scummy 3rd-party (either by the corp or an immoral employee)
    * having a data-storage method containing the information lost/stolen/etc (USB stick, whatever)
    * having the company "share" the data with a third-party partner, who leaks it
    * having the company "share" the data with a third-party partner, who is compromised

  47. Good Luck by craigminah · · Score: 1

    I had definitive evidence a company had a virus on their site but they didn't seem to care. The virus was present for a few weeks until I posted the facts in their forums. They quickly remedied the problem then tried to scold me for creating a PR issue. Heck, if they responded in even a semi responsible manner (e.g. "we'll look into it, thanks") rather than telling me to pound sand they could have avoided any repercussions. I think they just didn't want to move resources from whatever they were doing to remedy the problem.

  48. Sure ? by e70838 · · Score: 1

    "When I received another virus-infected email at that same address this week, I posted a polite note on their Facebook page. ".
    The address is now known by bad guys. You can not know whether the site has corrected its problem or not if you have not changed your email in your profile and the new address is spammed.

  49. Spamex by ios+and+web+coder · · Score: 1

    I use Spamex to create DEAs (Disposable Email Address).

    I have been surprised when these get compromised. The biggest surprise was one for the New York Times.

    I let folks know, then just turn off the snagged address.

    This is a very different world from when I first started using email in the early 1980s (not Internet Email, host-based and proprietary). It comes with the territory, and I have to accept it.

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  50. figuring out how to blame you by dltaylor · · Score: 1

    Since you let them know about it, they're probably trying to pin the breach on you.

  51. Same problem here.... by dcy747 · · Score: 1

    A site dealing with network devices ... alias e-mail address used for registration on the site and also receiving spam lately addressed specifically to that e-mail address. In the past 24 hours the spam filter caught 18 spam e-mails addressed to that specific e-mail alias (which also was not used anywhere else). I have to ask ... OP - is the site in question r.....f....com ? D.

  52. Re:The Slashdot Way by rioki · · Score: 1

    Um...

    My Account -> Change Email Address

  53. I have confirmed this on myself by andrew_r · · Score: 1

    I have no idea if this is the same provider that the original poster is referring to. But I have experienced this from the provider referenced here.
    http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r27660966-DynDNS-Hacked-

    At that time, I found this link when I started getting phishing emails at unique addresses created for these accounts. I have a pro and some free accounts... all the same behavior. Then created new addresses and starting getting at those to. And the same response from the company. Absolutely nothing. Their twitter posts from about the same time frame were the only acknowledgment that I ever saw, and those appear to have disappeared.

    What did I do about it? I renewed my pro account because just about EVERY router uses them for their built in dynamic dns client. From the beginning I've always used unique passwords besides the unique email accounts. So if passwords are compromised, either once or continuing, in addition to the email list, the only thing they can do to me is mess up my dns resolution - which I know is a big deal - but something I have not yet observed.

    But isn't it obvious why they'll pretend there is no problem? To publicly acknowledge this in the geek community would destroy their business.

  54. I just recently had this issue. by bjcullinan · · Score: 1

    I can't say whether or not any of my actions did anything to help the situation. 1) I contacted the business through their website with a strict tone. 2) I reported all the parties involved to their domain or ISP. That is, the site that sold my e-mail address to spammers, the address the spam was delivered from, and the site the spam is pointing to trying to collect information. 3) I reported the business to the FTC. Best case scenario is they would fine the business for negligence. Not that I am a fan of bigger government, probably nothing will come of this. 4) The fourth party involved, I was able to trace back to http://www.fishbowl.com/. It is just like it sounds, they offer a service for mailing lists and if they were ever compromised I image the attacker would make off with a pretty nice payload. Unfortunately, there is nothing and no one governing their security practices.

  55. Call IT directly by spaceman375 · · Score: 1

    A few years ago I enabled web access to one of my bank accounts just to check the balance. Less than a day later I started receiving phishing attacks aimed at that specific bank. It quickly became 6 or more per day. I dutifully forwarded them to the eddress the bank's website listed for reporting them, but after 3 weeks I was getting pretty annoyed. So I started including a paragraph suggesting that the bank not bother trying to trace the phishers and instead focus on finding who at the bank was selling the info. Within 2 days the phishing attacks stopped. Apparently the abuse email account was being watched by the insider. With this in mind, I suggest that you directly contact more than one person with authority in their IT department, by phone.

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  56. My poor experience with astronomyforum.net. by popoutman · · Score: 1
    I own a domain name, and when I sign up to online forums I use unique email addresses specific to that particular forum.

    Last year, I started to get spam to the email I signed up to http://www.astronomyforum.net/ do being a good net citizen I informed the admins of that forum about this. I found out that I wasn't the only one that was getting spam to addresses that were used specifically for that forum as there were three other users that were saying the same thing. What was the admin's response? Perma-banning my account on that forum.

    Definitely not the expected response, but apparently it's typical behaviour of those running that site to do this once it's known that the email list was compromised.

    Thankfully I had no real personal details in the database on that site, but it's a pity to see such a knee-jerk reaction to something that most real admins would be happy to know and then be able to do something about it.

    What would you do in the same situation? I just walked away and blacklisted the email address used, as I am still receiving spam to it.

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  57. Notify them in writing (email)... by boddhisatva · · Score: 1

    If they don't respond, block 'em and forget 'em. Take your business elsewhere. Post warnings around not to use them and your reasons. That's business.

  58. What I did was... by Nick · · Score: 1

    My situation was a little different. When Linuxworld.com launched back in '98 or so, it was it's own site and didn't redirect to networkworld.com. Not too long after launch they made user registrations available. For some reason I was screwing with the URL in the address bar and accidentally hit enter.. they had left 'directory browsing' enabled and stored the username/email/password list in clear text inside the webroot. I emailed them and didn't get a response. The next day I emailed them the list and within an hour they disabled all user registrations, the feature was completely removed from the website but still didn't ever get a response. I never visited the site that much so I have no idea if they ever went back to it, but I still can't believe someone would develop something that stored passwords, email adresses and usernames in clear text in a flat file, inside the webroot.

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  59. Zappos got hit recently by flacco · · Score: 1

    I have my own domain as well, and follow the same convention as OP. Within the last month, I've been getting scam email to the address I use with (and only with) Zappos. I retired the email address.

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  60. A suggestion for the reader; author by xaj · · Score: 1

    Author: Best way to deal with the issue is simply to filter out and trash all messages from that unique address and move on with your life. Done it many times myself. If they subscribe to a service such as SendGrid, MailChimp, or the like you may be able to have their mail provider ban or warn them. Just check the headers and look up the sending server. Readers: If you add a pattern of periods in your gmail account you will still receive the mail, but it becomes a fingerprint of the original receiving list (Of course this is limited by the length of your email handle, 2^(length-1) unique addresses are possible). You can also use yourname+tag@anygoogleappsdomain.com to achieve the same effect, but some overly strict (Read: invalid) mail parsers won't accept tagged addresses.

  61. hear, hear! by Pooch+Bushey · · Score: 1

    i too, run my own mail server. i also run my own dns server. the email addresses i generate for each vendor i deal with also live in their own unique mail subdomain, meaning the subdomain has its own mx record. so, for vendor X, i will give them an email address of x@x.example.com and will create an MX record for x.example.com. i never share that address with anyone except the vendor, and i rarely will ever send an email from one of those addresses. over the years this scheme has served me well in stopping spam.

    since there are no other email addresses in that vendor's mail domain, if i do start getting spam i can just delete the mx record and the mail domain. and if i do start getting spam i know that the vendor has shared my info, or their systems have been compromised.

    i used this scheme for several years and never received a single spam email. that was ... until 2007, when td ameritrade's systems were compromised, and most recently just a few days ago when i received spam to the account i had created for dropbox. (there have been several other cases in between.) i sent two emails to dropbox and contacted them via two separate web forms but have heard exactly zerozilchnada from them.

    the major problem for me when this happens is that it's a time sink to really do anything about it. it's very easy for me to delete the subdomain and mail address and then create a new one. but getting the vendor to even acknowledge an issue (let alone getting assurance that something is being done about it) is time consuming and frustrating.

    they do have some legal obligations when their systems are compromised; public shaming them into action seems to me to be the easiest for the consumer.

    (for one of the instances where this happened to me, you can visit my rant blog at http://caringcostsextra.org/2011/01/20/ewiz-com-superbiiz-com-user-data-hacked-and-compromised/)

  62. A list of some the well-known sites that leak.... by bigjosh · · Score: 1

    I've also been using a unique hashed email address for every webform I've filled out in the past 10 years. It is very interesting to see where the leaks come up. Here is a short list of some of the people who (willingly or unwillingly) ratted me out to spammers ....

    NYTIMES.COM
    LAPLINK.COM
    DIRECTV.COM
    ZENBE.COM
    FLUKE.COM
    SHAPEWAYS.COM
    INTELIUS.COM
    MANDARINHOTEL.COM
    TRANSCEND.COM
    ROKU.COM
    WALLHOGS.COM
    IRR.COM
    NYWATERWAY.COM
    TICKETMASTER.COM
    REVERSEGENIE.COM
    LIVEMODERN.COM
    SIDEFX.COM
    MORFIK.COM
    SHAPEWAYS.COM
    HOEMDEPOT.COM
    SPEAKEASY.NET
    SOLARWINDS.COM
    ENDLESSPOOLS.COM
    CHECKS.COM
    BUYERZONE.COM
    ZEVIA.COM
    MAXIMHQ.COM

    If you've ever given any of these people your address, then it is likely that you can thank them for some of the spams you get every day.

    I used to try and tell people that they had a problem but never got any kind of positive response so I don't bother anymore.

    Typically I will kill a compromised address as soon as it starts getting spam, but I often still want to keep getting the real emails from the original website so I'll go in and update my email address to a brand new hash- and then soon start getting spams on that one. Argh.

    BTW, I also use a unique hash for the return address on every email I send out. You quickly find out which of your friends are virus-prone...

    -josh

  63. Vote with your wallet by Vrtigo1 · · Score: 1

    Stop doing business with them, and make sure they know why.

  64. Been there, done that... by mgcarley · · Score: 1

    I do this too. I've had this exact same thing happen myself, although fortunately not too frequently - maybe once a year.

    Easiest thing is to reset your email address in their database to a new alternative, block the old one at the server and be done, because sending them proof that you've received spam to that email address is one thing (wow, you got spam, didn't come from us) but telling them "But yes, YOU AND ONLY YOU had this email address on your records, therefore you've been compromised because I didn't sign up to Royal Jordanian Airways with the same email address I would use to sign up to Twitter"... is another matter entirely.

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