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Jedi May Be Allowed To Perform Marriage Ceremonies In Scotland
ceview writes "The Marriage and Civil Partnership Bill (Scotland) will allow groups promoting a belief to marry couples according to a report on the BBC. The government said the change was relevant to bodies such as humanists, who are classed as religious rather than non-religious at the moment. Groups such as The Flat Earth Society and Jedi would be allowed to perform such ceremonies."
More seriously yourself take you, be laughed at more you will.
If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
It all comes down to what 'religious' means legally. It's hardly a new problem. There are many people now who still hold to some religious belief but openly reject organised religion, and many more who are a member of a group most would call religious but refuse to consider themselves as such. There's even a group within Christianity who refuse to call themselves 'Christian' as they believe the term has become broadened to the point of losing all meaning, and instead call themselves 'Christ-followers.' These things really screw with survey attempts.
It's tricky trying to pin down in law something that is in the process of rapid change.
The important opinions are of the two people who are getting married. If they choose to have a bit of fun on the day that they dedicate themselves to each other, why should they not do so ? If people claim that the force will help their marriage, they are not making a claim any less rational (or based on evidence) than those that say the same of the god of chrstians, jews, muslims, hindus, ...
The churches like to give us the idea that, somehow, they ''own'' the concept of marriage. People had been getting married years before the churches brought the idea of religion into it.
Anything that makes a mockery of the privileged position religions enjoy is a good thing. I'm a humanist but would never consider myself part of an organization, let alone a religious one with special legal powers.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Jedi's are not permitted to love!
Does this mean there are actually females of the Jedi persuasion as well?! The mind boggles.
I guess I'm fine with Jedi performing the marriages, so long as they don't get married themselves.
What business does the state have regulating marriage per se?
Set your phasers on "funky"!
Where I live you can be a civil celebrant and call yourself a Jedi if you want.
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1. Rename marriage to partnership
2. Require pre-partnering written applications to state-appointed ministries to have them verify you're not siblings (and that you're not suspiciously importing a wife you don't know from abroad, etc, in accordance with laws). "May we partner up?"
2. Let people celebrate it with whatever ceremony they please, be it churchly or with all their relatives eating at a family restaurant -- the event itself is optional and bears no weight
3. Require another written application to have the proceedings continue. "Yes, we do want to partner and here are our signatures."
4. Detach from the religious idea of monopoly of the matter while allowing religious to continue with their ceremonies as usual
5. Profit
6. Earn achievements Modern Society IV and Separation of Church and State Revisited
I look forward to the first Unix promotion group wedding. Probably followed by an Apple Fanbois civil partnership.
... did you actually RTFA? No? Thought not...
What the article actually says is that a spokesman for the Free Church of Scotland - a fundamentalist group with beliefs roughly aligned with Wahhabi Islam or Haredi Judaism. He is using the example of having Jedi wedding ceremonies as Appeal To Ridicule.
The government has not "made Jedi marriage legal", except in a very indirect sense.
Disrespectful to both recognize and to perpetrate a supposed Jedi religion. Not that the logic of the belief system is any less valid but rather the fact that it started by definition it was made up. I am agnostic. Atheism is a belief if not a religion in it's own way.
Who really believes these people really host these beliefs rather than being tongue and cheek believers?
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I thought Jedi weren't supposed to marry, at least as of the movies. Is this going to be an Extended Universe sect thing? What does the Core sect think of this?
In order to marry someone, you must believe something silly
"Daddy, why is the groom wearing a skirt?"
"It's not a skirt -- it's a kilt."
"Oh. Daddy? Why is the bride wearing honey buns on her ears?"
"I don't know."
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So there will be same sex jedi marriage? Or gay jedis aren't allowed and considered gone to the dark side?
Hey, I guess that could be one thing we could run, a service where any weirdos can get married by flying spaghetti monsters or film religions!
Hell the fuck yeah! The more weirdos, the better. Come live here too, we need a little company, the women y'see...
Well, I think that all organised religions are in some way made up. Most religions are based on powerful experiences that influential people have had, but these people would have had to make up systems in which to place their experiences so that they can make sense for themselves and to be able to get their message across to others.
I have had a long talk with a minister in the Scottish Jedi religion about his faith, because I had found it fascinating. ...
The point that he made about his faith is that he had held his basic beliefs about spirituality for a long time and for many years he had been searching for a congregation that shared these beliefs. He had been part of various "New Age" groups but in the long term, none of them had felt right for him.
After many years, he found the Jedi church, and discovered to his astonishment that the basic beliefs were the same to his. He also told me that while they have adapted the spiritual and ritual content from Star Wars, there is no mythology from the movies. For instance, they don't believe that Darth Vader had existed -- that would just be weird
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I don't see what's wrong with any of this. Sure, people may not always believe in the Jedi way and consider it as a parody but they still want to get married and they should be able to do so civilly. Now, two people does that mean only humans or can we marry a dolphin? If so, where can I sign up for some Jedi dolphin sex?
The Universal Life Church allows anyone to become "ordained" via the internet in many US States (and probably elsewhere as well). This allows them to marry people. Perhaps Scotland had more stringent requirements of their church leaders in this regard previously?
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Why not allow "jedi" and "scientologists" and "high-elf-lords" or whatever perform wedding ceremonies?
I'm sorry to be that guy, but is some made-up bullshit collection of superstitious rituals and magic mumbo-jumbo more legitimate because it's OLDER?!? Wouldn't it be funny if someone found some ancient scrolls containing commentaries that could be dated to around two thousand years ago talking about how obscene and silly it is for those Jesus geeks to treat their little game, their made-up mythology about a man walking around on water* centered on a fictional god-character who created himself as a man and knocked-up a virgin (somehow...) as if it's all real? After a few years or a few dozen, people start to believe it for real, and the result... well, you've seen the result, I think.
The funny thing is how fan-fiction (for Christianity/Catholicism) is added to Judaism, just as Mormonism is Jesus fan-fiction... and while it would seem any truth contained in any work of fan-fiction is dependent on the truth of the content of the original to which it is an addition, it almost invariably changes (at least in interpretation) the content of the original work. For example, in the Torah, (the Jews' "holy" book) the word "we" is used by the Yahweh ("god") character to describe himself, even when alone "creating" everything. This was due to a convention in ancient Hebrew, and was never meant to imply that Yahweh had a peer, a friend, a counterpart, another self, etc. One of the most absolutely fundamental tenants of Judaism is that Yahweh is SINGULAR, that he is a UNIT, that he is ALONE, SOLO, AND without PEER. There is exactly ONE of him. PERIOD. Yet, the Christians MISINTERPRET the translation that has him/her/it saying "we" as meaning that it's the "trinity" right off the bat, that Jesus (their central character in their fan-fic) was there at creation, in some way. If he was the same as/equal-to Yahweh, he would have known from the beginning what was going to happen, don't you think he'd be pissed? Or why not, knowing EVERYTHING THAT WAS EVER GOING TO HAPPEN, couldn't he/she/it/they/whatever just resolve to forgive human-kind for being... well, they way he/she/it/they made us?
Also, the prophesy of the Meshiach (or "Messiah" as Christians call it) never actually was meant to imply that he would have magical powers or be the equal to or somehow the same as Yahweh. He is simply supposed to be a political/military leader, chosen by Yahweh (from amongst one or two in EACH AND EVERY GENERATION) whose actions coincide with, BUT ARE NOT THE CAUSE OF, the changes Yahweh has promised to make in the world, (for instance, births no longer being painful, the Earth yielding up its fruit without toil and effort on our part, etc.) basically like the magic garden again. It was by Yahweh's own power that that was supposed to happen, not the leader's. Christianity took and misinterpreted that to make an entirely new myth, and voila, a whole new religion. The whole point in reality of that prophesy was to give people hope that someday things would be better, a savior would come, which of course, Judaism being a bunch of made-up bullshit too, he never would. But giving people something to look forward to was the point, and making the signs vague and unverifiable was a stroke of genius in terms of controlling a vast mass of uneducated superstitious fools.
The reason the "new testament" has that language in it about the "False Messiah," the nega-god or whatever, coming BEFORE "Christ's" return, is to ensure that no one would spin-off their religion into yet another new cult. Again, a stroke of genius in what can only be described as an effort to amass and hold onto power, a sort of pre-enlightenment intellectual property protection. You add some language that says "before the hero returns, the anti-hero will come, CLAIMING to be the hero". Then when someone decides to tell everyone he's Jesus, people will say "no, because the anti-deity hasn't shown up yet..." etc. HA! No one wants to be the ant
This really does matter.
...about the whole god thing, you sure get uppity about "fake" religions easily.
You sure you're not a closeted god believer, pretending to be agnostic cause you heard that's practically the same as that atheism thing that all cool kids with big brains do, but still kinda safer should it turn out that there is a god?
Or possibly simply a troll?
See... Cause only those who give serious credence to the "my god is one and only god and he's a special god and real and not like all those other fake gods other people believe in"-thing get uppity about "fake" religions and "lack of respect".
Agnostics on the other hand go "I don't know. Who knows? Maybe they're right? Who can really know?"
And atheists go "God? Nope. Religion? Silly."
So, really, you sure you're not a pedophile?
With all due respect... naturally.
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How about pressuring the Scottish government to relinquish its authority to regulate marriages at all? That's true freedom-- not stumping for one's own selfish agenda.
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Once again this is the classic issue of what defines a religion. When you get down to it all a religion is, is a set of beliefs that usually follow an un-provable and unrealistic event. Even more so, there is no better "proof" of a religion then a book who's origins read more like a harry potter novel then fact ( The Bible ). So if your going to allow a Catholic Priest to preform Marriages then you MUST ALLOW any one who has a religion to preform the same acts. It's the same logic that must apply to who can wear religious symbols. If the Muslim can wear a Turban then I must be allowed be allowed to wear a woman thong on my head, if I claim it's religious.
Does the priest possess an unusually high mitochro..microchro...midor...f**k does the officiating priest have chlamydia!?
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Scientologists will be doing it.
Marriage is forbidden to a Jedi. They have been infiltrated by the church of the Sith.
What's coming up next on /. , some Da Vinci Code style paranoia? Do you have a reference for this kind of paranoid idea? Who's the "us" you're referring to in "some of us noticed that the audit quietly evaporated after his death"?
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Why are people / moderators upvoting this crazy unsubstantiated rumor-mongering?
No woman would marry a guy professing to be a part of a Jedi religion, so who cares?