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Building a Small IT Consulting Business Based on Linux (Video)

When you call your business Penguin Computer & Telephone Solutions, it's obvious that Linux is your favorite operating system. Company owner Frank Sflanga, Jr. happily works on Windows, Mac and whatever else you want or have around, but he is a Linux person at heart; in fact, he's a founder and leading member of The Southwest Florida GNU/Linux Users Group. But the point of this interview, which some will want to label an ad (although it's not), is to show how Frank started his one-man consulting business and made it successful so that other Slashdot readers can follow in his footsteps and become self-employed -- if they are so inclined. You might want to note that most of Frank's clients were not familiar with Linux when he first started working with them, and most are not particularly interested in software licensing matters as long as Frank keeps their stuff working. You might also want to note that Ft. Myers, FL, where Frank is located, is not exactly famous as a hotbed of leading-edge technology, which means that even if you live someplace similar, where business owners ask "What's a Linux?" you might be able to make a decent living running a Linux-based IT consulting business.

138 comments

  1. ugh, 30 second commercial & 17 minute video by schneidafunk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Forget it, back to work.

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    1. Re:ugh, 30 second commercial & 17 minute video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Took me 5 mins to read the transcript

  2. Confused . . . by Kimomaru · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why does he not call it GNU/Linux? Stallman would be cross . . .

    1. Re:Confused . . . by davester666 · · Score: 1

      He should really torque Stallman and call it BSD/Linux...

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    2. Re:Confused . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is such a thing, it's called obase

    3. Re:Confused . . . by Kimomaru · · Score: 1

      No, I think that would be a bad idea. BEHOLD!!!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t96m2ynKw0

      His devotion the the Gnu is absolute . . .

  3. Recursive? by dan.mccann84 · · Score: 1

    So is posting this on Slashdot a commercial for the commercial that is this video?

  4. Hm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ... show how Frank started his one-main consulting business

    What about his other consulting businesses?

    1. Re:Hm by Roblimo · · Score: 1

      Thanks for spotting the typo. Fixed.

  5. cheaper upfront cost, long term not so much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing wrong linux.

    BUT I would stay with windows. Frankly, licensing cost for software each year is a lot cheaper than the extra 10k+ you will be paying each year for every linux developer on your team. I guess that is not important if you are doing most of the work yourself, or have a very very few IT professionals. Where I work though, it has not been proven to be a viable option due to long-term costs. It is cheap up front until you grow and need more man-power.

    1. Re:cheaper upfront cost, long term not so much by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      I keep hearing about the higher costs of Linux-capable staff but never experience it first-hand :-(

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    2. Re:cheaper upfront cost, long term not so much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're probably hiring Windows admins with real qualifications.

      Linux staff is more expensive when compared to letting the average office guy play admin, which for many was the reason for selecting windows servers in the first place - that it's so "user friendly" that anyone who can fire up solitaire can be an admin.

      We don't have many of those in the Linux world. Yet, anyway. Because the people that think that just because they managed to install Ubuntu without too much help, they can be a Linux admin, are around 14 years old.

  6. Everything he mentions could happen on Linux by alphad0g · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "no one calls to say they misplaced their printer icon"; No adobe update notifications, don't need to defrag or update, etc..... Why not? Linux doesn't do away with any of this. Package updates break things on Linux as often as they do on any other platform. Adobe needs updates on Linux too. The difference is that the users are scared to touch anything, so they don't. Instead of users buying software and doing their own work, they hire him to administer free software - I am OK with that, but I hate the myth that Linux "just works". There is a reason, that even with all the free software that exists, the software companies are still in business.

    1. Re:Everything he mentions could happen on Linux by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      Why would you install anything from Adobe on a Linux box? I thought Linux had native print/write/read support similar to OS X?

    2. Re:Everything he mentions could happen on Linux by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Because somebody's going to run into some dumb website with a flash object that doesn't run on Gnash.

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    3. Re:Everything he mentions could happen on Linux by geek · · Score: 3, Informative

      Package updates break things on Linux as often as they do on any other platform.

      Citation needed. I can't remember the last 'apt-get upgrade' that broke something on my system. Not sure it's ever even happened to me.

      Adobe needs updates on Linux too.

      Cool. Linux can do that..... silently. In the background without the user ever knowing. No nagging popups or user interaction required. Not like pushing shit out with SCCM in windows and all the fucking annoyances that includes, plus the asshole you have to hire to package shit manually for it.

      The difference is that the users are scared to touch anything, so they don't.

      Which is why windows systems are often so much more out of date than a Linux system that will take updates in the background without them ever knowing it.

      Instead of users buying software and doing their own work, they hire him to administer free software - I am OK with that, but I hate the myth that Linux "just works". There is a reason, that even with all the free software that exists, the software companies are still in business.

      Software companies are still in business for a wide range of reasons. Many of them incorporate free software. This goes nowhere to further your point.

    4. Re:Everything he mentions could happen on Linux by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      Oh, THAT Adobe.

      Flash sucks.

    5. Re:Everything he mentions could happen on Linux by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      How would that matter in a company? If you're running Linux all over the place, why would you build a Flash-based intranet? You'd probably go for HTML5 or something like that.

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    6. Re:Everything he mentions could happen on Linux by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Yeah but people are still gonna browse, whether work-related or not...

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    7. Re:Everything he mentions could happen on Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Linux doesn't do away with any of this.

      Actually, it does. For one thing, pretty much no common *nix file system requires defragmenting. That is a NTFS (and FAT, I guess) specialty. You mention adobe updates specifically, but I've never actually seen any adobe update requirements in my 10 years of using linux that wasn't masked by the normal package manager. For that matter, I haven't seen anything adobe-related on my linux systems since I got sick of Flash back in 2010.

    8. Re:Everything he mentions could happen on Linux by geek · · Score: 1

      Yeah but people are still gonna browse, whether work-related or not...

      And your point is? They need to be on youtube or something to do their job?

    9. Re:Everything he mentions could happen on Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Citation needed. I can't remember the last 'apt-get upgrade' that broke something on my system. Not sure it's ever even happened to me.

      http://askubuntu.com/questions/171038/broken-package-manager-the-suggested-apt-get-f-install-is-failing

      http://www.howtoforge.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33031

      http://www.google.com/search?q=broken+apt-get+upgrade

    10. Re:Everything he mentions could happen on Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you ever stopped to think that people actually do use the internet in a productive manner on the job and that it's not all Facebook, Youtube and Slashdot?
       
      Where I work we have some non-core government regulated training that is hosted by a third party (also government regulated) that requires Flash. We don't really get to throw a tantrum over it and cry "Why can't it be HTML5?!?!?"

    11. Re:Everything he mentions could happen on Linux by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 1

      Citation needed. I can't remember the last 'apt-get upgrade' that broke something on my system. Not sure it's ever even happened to me.

      Mkay...just a quick google
      Here's a bug from 2008 in which an upgrade toasted some Perl stuff. Oddly enough, it seems to show up in a 2012 post as well

      Now then, that said. Yes, maintainers make mistakes just like MegaCorp$. Linux is not infallible. Some distros suck worse at things than others. I'm glad there are many. There is only one Apple OS and only one Windows OS. If either of those suck, you're really out of luck. You cannot "switch" to a different, yet compatible, system. With Linux you can. In the end, I'll take wrestling with busted packages on Linux any day. On other platforms is usually shut-up and reinstall. Thankfully, it's not as common as the rpmhell back in the 90s.

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    12. Re:Everything he mentions could happen on Linux by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      Mkay...just a quick google Here's a bug from 2008 in which an upgrade toasted some Perl stuff. Oddly enough, it seems to show up in a 2012 post as well

      Hah, hah, very funny. Did you not notice that both the examples you cite were distro upgrades. That's like saying: "I upgraded from Vista to WIndows 7 and xyz broke". It was not "I ran a routine update on my system and something broke."

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    13. Re:Everything he mentions could happen on Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why would you install anything from Adobe on a Linux box? I thought Linux had native print/write/read support similar to OS X?

      It does, it's also by Adobe and called postscript. Not everything with an Adobe badge is a steaming pile of shit.

      OS X uses CUPS, a printing systems used on Linux and BSD distros. Apple basically bought it up, rebranded it, didn't use the spirit of OSS by dumping mass source dumps that can't be merged back, just like when they used Konq for their browser, renamed to Safari, then played the dickhead when it came to sharing code.

    14. Re:Everything he mentions could happen on Linux by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not everything with an Adobe badge is a steaming pile of shit.

      No, not everything, just all their software. Some of the specs are quite good...now if only their software actually implemented the specs, that would be peachy.

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    15. Re:Everything he mentions could happen on Linux by geek · · Score: 1

      Mkay...just a quick google
      Here's a bug from 2008 in which an upgrade toasted some Perl stuff. Oddly enough, it seems to show up in a 2012 post as well

      Now then, that said. Yes, maintainers make mistakes just like MegaCorp$. Linux is not infallible. Some distros suck worse at things than others. I'm glad there are many. There is only one Apple OS and only one Windows OS. If either of those suck, you're really out of luck. You cannot "switch" to a different, yet compatible, system. With Linux you can. In the end, I'll take wrestling with busted packages on Linux any day. On other platforms is usually shut-up and reinstall. Thankfully, it's not as common as the rpmhell back in the 90s.

      Sad example. A bug with a distribution upgrade 5 years ago is not an "apt-get upgrade" issue. Not to mention the one from 2012 looks more like someone dicking around with the perl libraries and it broke when upgrading their distro.

      By all means, keep grasping at straws. Linux does have its issues, the vast majority of which are on the backend and out of sight for users. There is no perfect OS, but to try and compare it to the shitfest that is windows and it's upgrades..... sorry no. You're way off course.

    16. Re:Everything he mentions could happen on Linux by geek · · Score: 1

      Not my fault your work can't upgrade and get out of flash. Bad business decision.

    17. Re:Everything he mentions could happen on Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see you don't know what third party means.
       
      My guess is that you don't even work in the industry.

    18. Re:Everything he mentions could happen on Linux by geek · · Score: 2

      http://askubuntu.com/questions/171038/broken-package-manager-the-suggested-apt-get-f-install-is-failing

      User error. They tried manually installing shit without installing the dependancies. This is not an apt-get install issue, this is a retard not knowing what they are doing.

      http://www.howtoforge.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33031

      Also user error. Morons installed a custom kernel and wonders why apt-get won't upgrade his kernel.

      http://www.google.com/search?q=broken+apt-get+upgrade

      useless

    19. Re:Everything he mentions could happen on Linux by andrewa · · Score: 1

      I think just about every time there is a kernel update to my Mint distro, the following break with absolute regularity: vmware workstation, conky, cairo-dock, 3d graphics drivers. Now, that's more likely to be a fault of the applications, but I for one would expect vmware to not fail so miserably with each kernel update.

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    20. Re:Everything he mentions could happen on Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In fairness, Mint is just about the buggiest and unstable Debian based distribution in the entire world.

    21. Re:Everything he mentions could happen on Linux by Kwyj1b0 · · Score: 1

      Wow. Just wow. Did you even read what the original user problem was? I'll quote it here:

      I clicked "install updates" in the update manager window, it failed, and next thing I know I can't apt-get install any packages, it just suggests I try apt-get -f install, which fails with the following message.

      Assuming you are right that it was caused by a user error in which they dared to install stuff "manually" (by which I assume you mean downloaded a package outside the repositories and installed it, causing some dependency problems) without understanding dependencies, violations, how to avoid said violations - that makes them "retards"...? (FYI, please don't go on a Linux user community with that "people are dumb if they don't understand dependencies" attitude - you do more harm than good).

      Don't get me wrong, Linux is great (and I use it). But thinking that everything is fine and dandy, while Windows/Macs are always plagued with problems is just as blind as assuming Windows/Macs are great and Linux sucks. If you are competent, any of them can be handled. If you aren't, you can mess up any of them.

    22. Re:Everything he mentions could happen on Linux by the_B0fh · · Score: 1

      You mean this webkit?

      http://opensource.apple.com/source/WebKit/WebKit-7536.28.10/

      Or this webkit? http://tech.slashdot.org/story/07/07/23/1953217/the-unforking-of-kdes-khtml-and-webkit-begins

      Holding a grudge for 6 years? Man, in Internet terms, that's like a million years!

    23. Re:Everything he mentions could happen on Linux by geek · · Score: 0

      Try reading the fucking answers fuckwad. All you're reading is the error message, look to the root fucking cause. Ok? Got it? Great now fuck off and get some god damned sense. Jesus Christ, I'm done with this, back and forth with a fucking idiot.

    24. Re:Everything he mentions could happen on Linux by hackula · · Score: 1

      Have you ever stopped to think that people actually do use the internet in a productive manner on the job and that it's not all Facebook, Youtube and \>

      I realize that most employees don't need youtube... that being said... I wonder how anyone can be productive at there job without using internet-based training and knowledge. Assembly line type employees can simply follow the script, but real productive employees need full access to the internet (minus P0rN, ok) so that they can compete with other companies. I say this as someone who works as a dev with nearly unlimitted internet access and takes full advantage of it to be the best at my job.

    25. Re:Everything he mentions could happen on Linux by hackula · · Score: 1

      3rd party == no control. People in the real world have business dependencies. There is not a Linux equivalent to everything. Before the Linux fanbois get to foamed up, I will also say that there is not a Windows equivalent to everything. As examples: try doing GIS mapping work on Linux (or OSX) (open source alternatives are laughable), try doing real time web development on Windows. TLDR: different tools for different jobs.

    26. Re:Everything he mentions could happen on Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been running Linux for a long time. When I run apt-get, or when the system asks to do an update or an upgrade, I run it, and it works. Not some times, every time. If an update fails, it rolls back (like all software should). Functionality remains. Always. I've run a lot of different flavours of Linux too. I've never had an update or upgrade fail. EVER! Anyone who says otherwise is either an idiot, a sok puppet for a proprietary company, a troll, or a fanboi who has never even seen Linux. Its ALWAYS worked for me, and been far more reliable than what all of the windows users around me use. They have each other to help each other out, and somehow they get unreliable computing. I'm on my own with uptimes in years. And everything just works.

    27. Re:Everything he mentions could happen on Linux by andrewa · · Score: 1

      to be even more fair, the same has happened on my CentOS distro and Ubuntu distros. VMWare Workstation just seems incredibly unstable on Linux. I'm really not interested in hours of debugging after a relatively minor (well as minor as a kernel upgrade can possibly be) kernel upgrade, so it's to the point of ignoring most updates. I'd happily use virtualbox, as that seems much more stable and less prone to being utterly destroyed by updates, but there are several appliances that I use for my work on a daily basis that are in the vmware format. Yes, it's possible to convert - but it's just as much effort to convert as it is to try and patch vmware.

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    28. Re:Everything he mentions could happen on Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linux: "It just works. If it doesn't then fuck you, not my problem."

    29. Re:Everything he mentions could happen on Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can do real time web development on any O/S...

    30. Re:Everything he mentions could happen on Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hahahahaha i was just thinking 'i bet the gp is talking about ubuntu'.

      ubuntu is debian with a big turd mixed in and spread over the top. Ubuntu is shit.

      no probs in over 2 years running squeeze with backports.

  7. Re:This is a losing proposition. by GameboyRMH · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Unless that business is in hosting, supercomputing, science, robotics, software development, or some other little cottage industry.

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  8. Riiiiight.... by kenh · · Score: 1

    "You might also want to note that Ft. Myers, FL, where Frank is located, is not exactly famous as a hotbed of leading-edge technology"

    It also, you may want to note, isn't exactly hillbilly country - Monster has 16 high-tech jobs in Ft. Myers area right now, much more if you expand your search area...

    It's no Silicon Valley, but then again neither is about 99.99% of the country...

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    1. Re:Riiiiight.... by geek · · Score: 1

      16 whole jobs? Say it ain't so. Why that's absolutely booming! /s

    2. Re:Riiiiight.... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      And at least 2 of them are looking for plumbers for the sewer system of Microsoft Hell :-Z

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    3. Re:Riiiiight.... by Rob_Bryerton · · Score: 1

      >>It also, you may want to note, isn't exactly hillbilly country

      I beg to differ. I just spent a week there visiting my dad and was surprised with the diverse range of people in the area. It is definitely crawling with hillbillies. Mullets and Pick-em-ups (trucks); I thought I was back home in the Carolinas for a second!

      Anyway, now that I know there's a local LUG, I'll have to check it out next time I'm in that area (which is beautiful, BTW).

      There are tons of small businesses in the Ft. Myers area, which are perfect for a small IT shop to service. In another life, I worked for a similar operation and rolled out many a SAMBA server for small businesses. They didn't care that it was Linux, they just cared that they didn't have to pay for the OS or CALs. There's plenty of money to be made in this type of business, and it's really no secret. Like anything else, it all comes down to your ability to sell; the product and service are secondary.

    4. Re:Riiiiight.... by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Seven of which are from the same company which is rather notorious for "job-spamming," even here in the area.

  9. Re:This is a losing proposition. by kenh · · Score: 1

    And a couple mainframes...

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  10. Re:This is a losing proposition. by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

    Oh yeah, destroy the parent's argument with things that only apply 95% of the time.

    Shame on you.

  11. Driving revenue. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You see folks, the #1 question to answer when being an entrepreneur is: How do you drive revenues?

    I.E. Get sales.

    From what I gather, he poached customers from his former employer and I based that on his statement (to paraphrase) a cabal of loyal people - or some such thing.

    He also offers other services - like telephony; which I have a sneaky suspicion is his bread and butter - not the Linux support.

    I think it's great that he's doing well and can join a country club and have a couple of cars. Awesome! More power to him!

    But what I'd LOVE to see, is someone who is not only a Linux geek, but someone who built up a business like this from nowhere - as in NO source of customers. A nobody.

    That's what I'd like to see.

    1. Re:Driving revenue. by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1, Funny

      If you want to talk to a nobody who's running a business, I've heard about a guy named Ballmer.

      If he asks you to take a chair, literally take it because that's going to be your weapon against him a friendly game of "chairmen".

    2. Re:Driving revenue. by dskoll · · Score: 1

      See my earlier comment.

    3. Re:Driving revenue. by geek · · Score: 1

      But what I'd LOVE to see, is someone who is not only a Linux geek, but someone who built up a business like this from nowhere - as in NO source of customers. A nobody.

      That's what I'd like to see.

      Keep looking because that doesn't happen in any line of business. Bakers start out baking somewhere and open up their own shops, customers and clientel from past experience try them out and either stick with them or move on.

      Business is as much who you know as what you know. Connections matter and anyone that jumps into a new business without connections is doomed to failure.

    4. Re:Driving revenue. by dskoll · · Score: 1

      Connections matter and anyone that jumps into a new business without connections is doomed to failure.

      That is true. And that's why it's vital to stay on good terms with former employers. You never know when they might become consulting clients and/or send business your way.

    5. Re:Driving revenue. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would like you to list any business that started from zero and was successful. A person with no contacts of any kind.

  12. This guy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I am from the area in question, and always found most my work in the same feild somewhere else. Looked into joing this group years ago, but it seemed amature. How he got this on /. floors me.

    1. Re:This guy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      amature

      How he got this on /.

      Really?

      You're on a site where people think spelling Microsoft with a dollar sign for the s is edgy; where fanboys duke it out constantly over insignificant features that five nines of the world don't give a rat's ass about.

      This. Is. Amateur Hour.

    2. Re:This guy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are right. I don't know what I was thinking.

    3. Re:This guy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This post cracks me up, especially as the parent cannot spell worth a damn.

      probably has a 2 digit IQ, rofl!

    4. Re:This guy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably because English is your second language...

      And if it isn't, it should be.

  13. Re:This is a losing proposition. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Losing businesses run on Apple and Microsoft.

    FTFY.

  14. Re:This is a losing proposition. by dskoll · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I run a very profitable company that started out as a Linux consulting shop.

    I started my company back in 1999 when Linux really wasn't on business's radar. The keys to success were:

    • Promote Linux where it makes sense. I set up plenty of firewalls, file servers, mail servers, web servers, etc. for my small business clients.
    • But don't be religious. I certainly didn't waste my breath trying to convert them away from Windows on the desktop.
    • But on the third had, do have some religion. There's no way I would have installed a Windows server for anyone. I would have politely declined their business, stating that my specialty is Linux. No-one ever actually asked me to do that... I made it clear up front I was a Linux guy willing to coexist with Windows machines, but not actually work on them.
    • Keep your ears open and figure out what your clients want. Back in 2000, one of my clients wanted mail filtering, from which was born MIMEDefang and eventually my commercial anti-spam company that has a dozen or so employees (and, btw, that runs completely on Linux, including servers, desktops, phone system, and even my Nokia N900.)

    For me, it has been a terrific 14 year ride with a great future ahead. Not a losing proposition by a long shot.

  15. Re:This is a losing proposition. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I am 100% sure that a one man consulting shop does not consult for hosting, supercomputing, scientific, software development, etc. He likely consults with small scale (non-chain) retail, dentists (although it seems like most dentists are tied into large IT providers), etc. In other words - small business. And he is screwing them. When he gets tired of this gig or moves to another place, these people are stuck with poorly supported, non-standard stuff. Not really what they would want.

  16. What's your point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know a guy out in the mountains of Appalachia who has a nice computer support side business. He's not getting rich or anything, but it brings in extra income.

    I would think that being AWAY from an IT hotbed would be a GOOD thing because the local market isn't flooded with every Tom, Dick, Harry, and Mary who has an IT support company - like in Metro Atlanta.

    And don't give me this "Well, the best will shine and others will fail" nonsense. If you get shit to work or give a good line as to why it doesn't, then you're golden - see big chain squad that makes a lot of money.

  17. Re:This is a losing proposition. by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

    Linux = Servers
    Apple = Desktops, phones and tablets
    Windows = Games

  18. Re: This is a losing proposition. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so same as any other vendor then?

    except at least with Linux you have a chance at finding a community for support

  19. That tells me nothing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry, but exactly what do you do?!

    Ads on Craig's list?

    What?!

    the advice above is in every (varous versions) marketing book!

    1. Re:That tells me nothing. by dskoll · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but exactly what do you do?!

      Did you not read my comment? I started out doing Linux consulting, but now we develop and sell anti-spam software and services.

    2. Re:That tells me nothing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, but exactly what do you do?!

      Did you not read my comment? I started out doing Linux consulting, but now we develop and sell anti-spam software and services.

      Told me nothing.

      HOW do you GET the people to BUY your services?

      HOW do you get them to BUY you anti-spam services?

      Ads in the newspaper? "Buy my anti spam services!" Hookers? What?!?!?

      Most people don't know linux from a hole in the wall! All they now is they have an HP or Dell!

      I've been there!

      God!

      Why is this such a hard question to answer - unless you don't have a clue......

    3. Re:That tells me nothing. by dskoll · · Score: 1

      HOW do you GET the people to BUY your services?

      Initially: Through people I knew (basically, I networked like crazy.) Eventually, word of mouth.

      HOW do you get them to BUY you anti-spam services?

      A combination of advertising, reputation, word-of-mouth and cold-calling.

  20. Re:This is a losing proposition. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, it's destroyed because you can't do any of those things without Linux.
     
    Aside from supercomputing, Linux doesn't really have an extreme presence in any one of these catagories.
     
    Oh, and 95% of the business does not involve any of these catagories either. I really don't know where you came up with the number at unless you're working in a Linux only robotics software development lab that has a supercomputer and you also host from that location... I'm pretty sure that that would be a fairly unique business though.

  21. You just got lucky by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I read your recommendations.

    They don't work because I did that in my market. See Here

  22. Re:This is a losing proposition. by Synerg1y · · Score: 1

    You're right, a .NET software development shop is a myth, and this doesn't really exist: http://www.robotshop.com/ghi-fez-spider-net-development-starter-kit.html .

    I think you meant:
    There's plenty of businesses in hosting, supercomputing, science, robotics, software development, or some other little cottage industry.

  23. Re:This is a losing proposition. by Synerg1y · · Score: 2

    you must be new to computers...

    Phones: Android, iOS, win 7/8
    Games: all 3 have uniques, Linux can use wine, i'm sure there's an osx solution
    Servers: RedHat, win server 2000-2012, OSX server

  24. How about a useful website? by GerryGilmore · · Score: 1

    First, learn how to create a useful website. This guy's site says "Telephone Solutions", but when I look in what should be the Products tab, I find....a fax server. Really? No mention anywhere about what telephony solutions they have other than that fax server. I'm surprised that he's still in business, though it's probably due to word of mouth referrals for regular IT consulting stuff. Advertise, man! Give all of your products and solutions easy and prominent mention with lots of details so that people can easily understand what you do.

  25. Re:This is a losing proposition. by TWiTfan · · Score: 1

    you must be new to computers...

    If you think Linux and OSX can compete with Windows on games, you must be new to this universe.

    I like Linux too, but I'm not fucking insane.

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  26. Congrats on a +5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for posting nothing.

    You are either clueless are a great scammer. Because what you posted is shit.

    I KNOW because I have been in business. AND I was stupid enough to get a MBA in Entrepreneurship because I thought I didn't know enough.

    But I can say this sir, you posted NOTHING! Nothing that can help us geeks. IF you REALLY think that what you posted was your secret to success - then keep going! That would really tickle me if you kept doing what you're doing - considering your moderation.

    You got lucky and you're too stupid to know it. I've been there - several times.

    HOW TO GET BUSINESS! HOW TO GET THAT CUSTOMER - would help us and you did NOT post that.

    You, sir,. are a fraud.

    1. Re:Congrats on a +5 by dskoll · · Score: 1

      If you want to call me a fraud... meh. Fine.

      My first customers were my former employers. I did consulting for them.

      I spread the word around my local LUG and got my next set of clients that way. Once I had a core group of clients, the rest came through word of mouth.

      It's not rocket science.

  27. Re: This is a losing proposition. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Businesses don't give a fuck about community support. The Windows shop I work for just completed a $50,000 project to replace infrastructure and migrate from linux. Some local guy like this put in all this kludged up linux shit that never worked right. They fired him, and we refuse to support a linux environment (the migration was just some files and a website, thankfully). Now they have a worry-free environment that works like other businesses. Group policy, managed updates, all these things most business take for granted.

    The stability and familiarity of Microsoft, Cisco, and knowing that any IT company can support the infrastructure is well worth the money they spent. They didn't save anything in the end with linux. It cost them a lot more in the end.

  28. Why Windows works in a small business by DogDude · · Score: 0

    Windows works in a small business precisely because I don't have to hire an expensive IT guy to setup and maintain all of my machines. The amount I spend of software is a tiny fraction of what it costs to have a professional it company take care of things. Lots of people can do lots of things on Windows easily. It Just Works. Having to call somebody every time we need to add a new computer or new piece of hardware is an absurd waste of money, in my opinion.

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    1. Re:Why Windows works in a small business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows works until it doesn't work. Then you have to reload it.

      What one can say about Windows is that many devices are capable of running on Windows. It may take five or six tries to install it, but you're a winner if you didn't have to reinstall the OS.

    2. Re:Why Windows works in a small business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of my good friends runs a mostly Windows shop. He dabbles in OSS stuff (such as FreePBX servers and pfSense firewalls) but those don't make him money. He builds it, sells it, and he never hears about it again unless there is hardware failure.

      With his Windows Servers, however, he has support contracts and $125 an hour service calls on a regular basis. When his clients mention they could never afford that treatment, he refers them to me for a Linux solution. I don't make a lot of money on them either (primarily they are cloned images of my server, all updates are pushed out one week after my server is updated, the server costs as much as they wish to spend on hardware and I do some manual setup for them initially, never had to come back for more support in 5+ years). They are incredibly happy to have all the features he sold them without all the Microsoft and Windows and massive MASSIVE tech support costs. But he's got a mortgage to pay and a family to feed, so I will not fault him for screwing over customers that quite frankly WANT to be screwed.

  29. Re:This is a losing proposition. by Synerg1y · · Score: 1

    Must be: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=150352

    And I could've sworn I said

    i'm sure there's an osx solution

    what part of that didn't you get?

  30. Re: This is a losing proposition. by JonJ · · Score: 4, Funny

    They fired him, and we refuse to support a linux environment

    Ah, incompetent, I see.

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  31. Penguin by WillKemp · · Score: 1

    "When you call your business Penguin Computer & Telephone Solutions, it's obvious that......" you've got no imagination.

  32. Re: This is a losing proposition. by munwin99 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    $50k for "just some files and a website" - WTF?
    Where and how do you spend $50,000 on a file server and web server?
    Lets me guess, Windows + SharePoint + SQL Server....

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  33. Re: This is a losing proposition. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Wow the shill desperation is strong in this one!

  34. Rely on packaging? not really by LesFerg · · Score: 1

    "Citation needed. I can't remember the last 'apt-get upgrade' that broke something on my system."

    Recently I thought I would try the latest Qt IDE on Ubuntu 12.04. Did the apt installs and tried to use the IDE, got strange error messages and a crashing app just from trying to access some of the tools. After going thru all the obvious steps and finally ending up on the forums with the appropriate authorities on Qt, I get advised that I should uninstall the Ubuntu packages and download and build it all myself, cos the Ubuntu packages are usually borked.

    And this after I had just spent several months trying to convince myself that Linux had come a long way towards being a reliable click-and-go desktop solution.
    Not a hater, I have been used Linux for fun and a little programming for well over 10 years, I just feel disappointed every time I have to sift thru the crap and read the discussions across several eras of a library or app's evolution to find the solution to a problem, cos I relied on the packaging system of the distro I am using at the time. Its fun and all, at first, but eventually gets tedious. Perhaps I should ditch Ubuntu, but its not like this is the ONLY distro I ever encountered this with.

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  35. Im my case by future+assassin · · Score: 1

    Forget it, back to playing xonotic...

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    by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
  36. Re:This is a losing proposition. by poetmatt · · Score: 2

    I'm fairly sure you are entirely fucking insane.

    The whole Linux/OSX vs windows on gaming thing has become less and less of a gap. you apparently don't know that?

  37. I also own an IT Consulting Company in Fort Myers by paulrausch · · Score: 2

    I own Greenwire Technology Solutions (https://greenwireit.com), here in Fort Myers, FL. I'm from the area, and I've owned my company for five years now. We have 12 employees and do pretty well. That said, I've been a linux user for over 10 years now, and have a lot of professional competence with *nix based systems. We support equipment on a range of platforms. I think it's important to be careful to not try and make a square peg fit into a round hole. There are business use cases where Linux does a great job. But I think it's important to take into consideration that those Virtual Machines, the added complexity of maintaining a cross platform environment, not having native access to specialised line of business applications, and lost productivity due to retraining; all add to the total TCO of changing to a FOSS platform. I personally know what managing these types of issues looks like, because we have environments where they are present for whatever reason. I've found in my professional experience that it's important to not try and 'convert' users. But rather to act as a good trusted adviser and find a solution that is minimally disruptive to their business.

  38. Re: This is a losing proposition. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, if you're counting the server hardware itself, that $50k could be spent on a single server, EASILY.

  39. Re:This is a losing proposition. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All A's are B's but not all B's are A's. Get off your semantic high horse. Everyone knew exactly what he was saying.

  40. Re: This is a losing proposition. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    hmmm, 50 grand? a website and some files? what the hell did you do for 50 grand? you people are nuts.

  41. Re:This is a losing proposition. by bbelt16ag · · Score: 1

    ever heard of thing called android? or steam? the windows gaming arena is over and so are the gaming consoles. You can't complete with 30 gb of ram and 12 cores and dual video cards. The rest can be ran on handheld android phones or tablets. The war is over and Microsoft sony, and nintendo lost.

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  42. Re:Rely on packaging? not really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IDEs from repositories are better to be avoided. They usually have enough bugs in themselves so that you'll need to keep an eye on the version you use, as accidentally updating an IDE can break things. They also tend to be quite picky, and the packaging is rarely done fully correctly. Luckily, at least in Eclipse's case, using the software from the official source is simply "extract and run".

  43. Re: This is a losing proposition. by IANAAC · · Score: 1

    hmmm, 50 grand? a website and some files? what the hell did you do for 50 grand? you people are nuts.

    Probably wrote half an email program using three full-time developers.

    I kid, I kid.

    (not really)

  44. Oh, and another thing... by dskoll · · Score: 2

    One more thing.. if you have the skills, a great way to become known is to write and give away Free Software. I wrote three GPL'd software packages: RP-PPPoE, Remind and MIMEDefang which got me far more business leads than $100,000 worth of ads.

    1. Re:Oh, and another thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Roaring penguin never worked for me in Puppy Linux.

      YMMV of course.

  45. Re:This is a losing proposition. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you call what small inroads Linux on Steam has as a game changer than you certainly can't shrug off anything else. Linux isn't changing the face of Steam at all. They're just porting over games that were already OSX ports. Big deal.
     
    It's like saying that this is the year of Linux on desktop because Linux actually hit 2% of marketshare.... Just another delusional Linux fag.

  46. Re: This is a losing proposition. by Shaman · · Score: 1

    This.

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  47. That's nothing to be ashamed of! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My first customers were my former employers. I did consulting for them.

    You couldn't say that when you posted your first comment?

    Really?

    It does say something about your skills that you were able to get your employer as your first customer.

    Just say'in.

    That's what I was getting at .... you had some IN.

    Some way of getting those first customers .. and it sickens me that I had to Troll you to get the information.

    That's all I wanted to know. See, that's the hardest part of starting a biz is getting those first customers to get going. TO build the name. The whole "work hard, don't preach, yadda..yadda...yadda..yadda..yadda" is all horseshit and I know it - YOU know it.

    Why couldn't you be really honest?

    Everyone I know who has been successful at their own business built their clientèle at their former employer - and in some case SUED by them for "stealing" customers.

    1. Re:That's nothing to be ashamed of! by dskoll · · Score: 1

      Why are you so bitter? Lots of people leave a job and stay on very good terms with former employers.

      And only my first two customers were former employers. The next batch were through networking with peers, the local LUG, etc.

      Now my business is big enough that we can advertise and hire people to do cold-calling.

      It's not rocket science.

      TO build the name.

      Writing and distributing Free Software is a great way to do that. It worked fantastically well for my company. I grant you that not everyone has the skills needed to write and maintain software, but if you do.. go for it.

    2. Re:That's nothing to be ashamed of! by Roblimo · · Score: 1

      I was dumped (really, forcibly retired with a nice buyout) by Geeknet, which was Slashdot's pre-Dice owner, and ended up doing video work for them within a year. Still doing it after the company sale to Dice, too. Still on good terms with my former employers. Why shouldn't I be?

  48. Re:This is a losing proposition. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You living under a rock? Linux dominates the hosting industry.

  49. Re:This is a losing proposition. by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

    Aside from supercomputing, Linux doesn't really have an extreme presence in any one of these catagories.

    Well, you're wrong about that too. Linux has an overwhelming presence in hosting and other server situations.

  50. Re:This is a losing proposition. by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

    Regular users don't have 32GB of RAM, 12 cores and dual video cards.

  51. Re: This is a losing proposition. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My only issue is that in the 'business' world where I've built my 17 year old IT consulting business, most businesses use some industry specific application for their operations. The vendor/developer of said app often dictates the platform on which it runs. Even if some brilliant dude can make it work fantastically on Linux, the vendor will reject any and all responsibility for support when the customer goes off the reservation and doesn't follow the vetted specs. That fact alone kills most open source substitutions for small and medium businesses.

  52. Re:This is a losing proposition. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you know anything about the .net micro framework and any implementation of it, there is no real-time capability. I have a netduino 2 and a netduino 2 plus, it's great that you can program them in C# in VS 2010 and do source level debugging. However, if you want any real time capability you have to write unmanaged code. Not so with the native C/C++ arduino environment, or any RTOS environment.

    So yeah, .Net is popular, and yes if you don't need to do any real-time operations beyond what the already implemented libraries do for you (e.g. PWM) then you can use .Net.

    So - yeah - not anyone's first choice except if they can't deal with unmanaged code.

  53. Re:I also own an IT Consulting Company in Fort Mye by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's crazy talk man. FOSS or DIE! M$ is the Devil. Forget all that crap about use cases and requirements elicitation and analysis and being a trusted advisor. Just repeat after me "You can do that for free on Linux!!!!". Your customers need to run their windows software, recommend WINE! It's FREE! They need to connect to a domain controller, HELL YES SMB IS SO EASY AND FUN!

    Bend your users to your religious will and push FOSS on them, it's the slashdot/FOSS way.

  54. Re: This is a losing proposition. by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

    Depends on your needs and future scalability. You could spend under 10K for a modest Microsoft server (Dell PowerEdge with SharePoint and SQL) with SBS 2011 Premium, but I wouldn't recommend it performance-wise.

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  55. Re: This is a losing proposition. by BitZtream · · Score: 0

    Well, if you buy a real server ... not something that runs in your basement at Moms ... 50K on hardware is ... well, trivial.

    When you actually play with the big boys, you won't make such stupid statements.

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  56. Re: This is a losing proposition. by munwin99 · · Score: 1

    This big enough for you... http://www.lendlease.com/GCUH/index.html

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  57. You're 100% wrong. I consulted for big hosts, T'so by raymorris · · Score: 1

    In that case, you're 100% wrong. When I was a one man shop, I consulted for some hosting companies, including a rather large one. I was also consulted for one of the top 20 most recognized web sites, serving as their top engineer when the guys who ran daily operations were over the heads. At the same time, I would occasionally call in other "one man"s as needed. In fact, when getting it right REALLY matters, one man is the way to go - Ted Ts'o is the one man to call when you absolutely, positively MUST rescue a filesystem.

  58. True, assuming you don't care about quality by raymorris · · Score: 0

    The other side long term cost is quality of the software. For $40-50K* you can get bad Windows developer to write crap. Later, you can spend $70,000 for someone decent to fix it. On Windows, you can instead get the $70,000 guy to do it right in the first place, skipping the cheap programmer.

    On Linux, you'll find fewer cheap programmers to write crap, and the $70K guys will actually understand the OS they are writing for, and have access to the people who wrote the OS.

    * Numbers are in Texas dollars. Double the salaries to convert to California dollars.
    ** Lack of cheap, crappy coders for Linux assumes you don't hire PHP scripting tweens.

    1. Re:True, assuming you don't care about quality by hackula · · Score: 1

      45k == crap on any OS. 75k == decent code on any OS (assuming decent QA and hiring), 150k+ (45k crap dev imposter or somebody who miiight know some devs of the OS(probably not))
      Great dev == no correlation to salary

  59. Huh? by jon3k · · Score: 2

    Who is this senile old man interviewing him? This is horribly awkward.

    1. Re:Huh? by HPHatecraft · · Score: 1

      That's

      1) my dad
      2) his dad
      3) a random homeless person
      4) all of the above

      you insensitive clod!

  60. Re: This is a losing proposition. by hackula · · Score: 2

    Linux is for tiny shops and giant shops. That is the conclusion that I have come to. I work for large large businesses (you have heard of every single one of my clients). Windows 7 is the client, Linux is the server. With the advent of REST and web architectures, you can completely decouple the server from the client. Decoupling is not even a feature anymore, but a requirement.

  61. Re:This is a losing proposition. by hackula · · Score: 1

    ..and the OSX selection was already pretty abysmal. I say this as an OSX and Linux user. Games are still the sore spot on both platforms. Still, however, I can play SC2 on OSX just as well as Windows (and Linux can sort of run it with Wine) and I can play Faster Than Light. Most of the Huble Indie Bundle games play as well. AAA games... not so much, but most of those games are barely worth playing anyways.

  62. Re:This is a losing proposition. by hackula · · Score: 2

    This, You can do whatever the hell niche you want as long as there is some demand, the market is not entirely saturated, and you turn down work that does not fit your niche. #1 rule to business: part ways when you are out of your sweet spot. Surprisingly difficult piece of advice to follow in the real world, but respect for anyone who can pull it off.

  63. That's me by raymorris · · Score: 1

    You described me. It started by putting a free web page on my ISP. They gave you like 2MB web space when you get Internet from them. Before that, I flipped burgers, so no poaching customers. Some of the consulting customers asked about SEO, so for a while I became the SEO consultant. For a while I added hosting along with the consulting type stuff, sold the hosting business, did more custom stuff. One of the custom jobs had wider appeal, so I sold it to a few thousand people. Sold that business because I want to play with new challenges. Then I remembered a server config I wanted to try when I was hosting - multiple time delayed mirrors to different DCs. Set that up for some people, they liked it, so I set it up for a few more. Now it sells as Clonebox. I still consult on whatever Linux stuff people need. Having your name in the kernel CHANGELOG and Apache credits helps increase consulting rates.

  64. I'd like to chat with you, swap stories by raymorris · · Score: 1

    My story is somewhat similar. I got well known in certain circles, but never made a ton money. I'd enjoy talking business with you sometime.

  65. Uh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And here was me assuming an IT Consulting Business would be based on consultants not some flannel about was OS the company founders favour...

  66. Re:This is a losing proposition. by TWiTfan · · Score: 1

    What color is the sky in your world?

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  67. Re:This is a losing proposition. by vandamme · · Score: 1

    Starting to turn Ubuntu Orange.

  68. Enjoy The Attention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sure he'll enjoy the attention from this.

    I wonder if he will get the state's attention, since his business isn't registered.

    Success?

  69. freenas my clients love there little server by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    im not big into linux but I have installed several freenas servers

    its great

  70. Re:This is a losing proposition. by Synerg1y · · Score: 1

    The games would have to utilize it for me to care... but ya steam on Linux is a big step into the unknown, at the very least Linux user's won't have to dual boot to play an MMO.

  71. Re:This is a losing proposition. by Synerg1y · · Score: 1

    Some aspects of Linux are truly better designed than windows, that's a two way door, but not everybody has access to non-retail cost windows 7 licenses. I actually built a computer for a guy a long time ago and installed ubuntu because he didn't want to pay windows licensing... of course if he played a MMO he would've sucked it up and payed, but get my point?

  72. That's a more concise way to say the first half by raymorris · · Score: 1

    Yes, that's what I was saying for the first half. The AC pointed out (correctly?) that there are fewer cheap crap developers available for Linux. AC to think that was a problem, though. Apparently AC hires the cheap ones and leaves the mess for his successor to clean up, if he can manage to get out of there in time.

  73. Re: This is a losing proposition. by Vrtigo1 · · Score: 1

    $50k on a single server? Ok, sure...you could, but for a small business with "some files and a website"? WTF are you buying that costs $50k? Buy yourself a decent Dell server with a couple 8 core Xeons, 64GB of RAM and some storage and you're looking at $20k MAYBE. Probably more like $12-15k. I just bought a couple PowerEdge servers to run vmware for a small business. They were all 8 core with 256GB of RAM, 10GbE and dual port 8Gb FC and they were well under $10k each and that's WAY more than the average mom and pop shop needs.

  74. Re:This is a losing proposition. by poetmatt · · Score: 1

    Don't know. Have you ever heard of the internet? http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/linux/faster-zombies/ would show that you're full of shit, and that's from over a yera ago.

    The issue is about good coding, not about some magic "linux/osx doesn't do as well" thing. You're a TWIT, not someone that understands technology.