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RCMP Says Terror Plot Against Canadian Trains Thwarted

An anonymous reader writes "Two men were arrested in Canada, accused of conspiring to carry out an 'al-Qaeda supported' attack against a VIA passenger train in the Greater Toronto Area. The arrests were products of 'extensive' co-operation between Canadian and US intelligence agencies, who had been investigating the plot since August 2012." From this article, it's not clear whether any actual al-Qaeda support was forthcoming, or whether the accused plotters merely thought there was, by means of an FBI sting operation, as in the 2006 case in Florida.

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  1. Learn and Burn by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Enjoy the fruits of a civilized guest country then try to blow it up.

    1. Re:Learn and Burn by microbox · · Score: 2

      Material success is proof that the infidel is soft, and (paradoxically) oppressing our glorious people! The best thing to do with this people is prove the vapidity of their narrative by treating them like criminals in a fair and transparent criminal justice system.

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  2. That title has quite a spin on it. by patchouly · · Score: 5, Informative

    The title fails to mention the fact that it was the Muslim community, up here, that turned the two guys in. Had nothing to do with the FBI. A few men, in the Mosque that they went to, heard about the plan and reported it to the RCMP.

    1. Re:That title has quite a spin on it. by Annirak · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's not what it says. The article says this:

      Toronto Imam Yusuf Badat, of the Islamic Foundation of Toronto, told CBC's Evan Solomon that RCMP officers said they received tips from the Muslim community that led to the arrests.

      This is not the same as:

      A few men, in the Mosque that they went to, heard about the plan and reported it to the RCMP.

    2. Re:That title has quite a spin on it. by tapspace · · Score: 2

      I know this is /., but geez, split hairs much?

    3. Re:That title has quite a spin on it. by ILongForDarkness · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I don't get extremists maybe that is a good thing: but you have a couple nut jobs that want to blow stuff up ... okay. So why can't they keep their mouths shut until they do? I can see if they got caught trying to get supplies or someone to help them but running off their mouths about their plans is just silly. Good thing they do but just saying dumb as door knobs. I agree though the Muslim community deserves to share the credit for their help as they definitely (and wrongly) get their share of the blame every time a problem comes up involving a Muslim.

      Also I agree RCMP != FBI though I guess I kind of get the mistake since the RCMP is often compared as the Canadian version of the FBI. It is quite different though in that a lot of rural areas have the RCMP as their primary law enforcement so they do have federal powers but sometimes are doing local policing too.

    4. Re:That title has quite a spin on it. by ravenswood1000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So why can't they keep their mouths shut until they do? I can see if they got caught trying to get supplies or someone to help them but running off their mouths about their plans is just silly..

      For the same reason idiots post crimes they commit up on Facebook or Youtube.

    5. Re:That title has quite a spin on it. by plover · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why would they betray their own community?

      There was no "betrayal of their own community" here, unless their community is a community of violent bombers. This was some human beings who heard of some criminals discussing a plot, and not wanting other innocent humans to die as a result of their inaction.

      Not every Muslim prays for "death to the infidels", not even if they attend the same mosque.

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    6. Re:That title has quite a spin on it. by asylumx · · Score: 3, Informative

      I think the point is that the source of info for the article was the Imam, not the RCMP. Without RCMP confirmation, you have no idea if those tips were useful, let alone instrumental.

      It is entirely possible (though not likely, IMO) that the Imam just said that to garner a better public view of his community.

    7. Re:That title has quite a spin on it. by operagost · · Score: 4, Informative

      Had nothing to do with the FBI.

      "The investigation was part of a cross-border operation involving Canadian law enforcement agencies, the FBI and the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. The two men arrested are accused of plotting to attack a passenger train in the Toronto area. The two men arrested are accused of plotting to attack a passenger train in the Toronto area.
      The arrests Monday morning were co-ordinated and executed by a special joint task force of RCMP and CSIS anti-terrorism units, combined with provincial and municipal police forces in Ontario and Quebec.
      Public Safety Minister Vic Toews congratulated the RCMP, CSIS and local law enforcement and thanked the FBI for their assistance."

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    8. Re:That title has quite a spin on it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why would they betray their own community? It can't be out of loyalty to the government - the same government that is guilty of genocide against the First Peoples. Personal grudge perhaps? In a multicultural country, citizens define themselves by which groups they belong to.

      Because in reality, a "multicultural country" doesn't operate the way it's portrayed at Stormfront.

    9. Re:That title has quite a spin on it. by Richy_T · · Score: 4, Funny

      Idiots. To be completely safe, I only post my crimes to myspace.

    10. Re:That title has quite a spin on it. by freezin+fat+guy · · Score: 2

      The title fails to mention the fact that it was the Muslim community, up here, that turned the two guys in. Had nothing to do with the FBI. A few men, in the Mosque that they went to, heard about the plan and reported it to the RCMP.

      Also not the first time the Canadian Muslim community has played a central role in preventing terror.

    11. Re:That title has quite a spin on it. by dkleinsc · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not every Muslim prays for "death to the infidels", not even if they attend the same mosque.

      In fact, we can make this statement much stronger: There are about 1.2 billion Muslims in the world. There are estimated to be no more than about 10,000 Muslim terrorists in the world. So what you can actually say is that about 99.9% of Muslims do not in any way support terrorism (assuming that for every terrorist there about 1000 other people that support their actions). The Al Qaida types are a tiny minority.

      To be clear, I'm talking about those that blow up civilians, not those that support what they see as wars against dictators and other oppressive powers, such as the people supporting the Syrian rebellion.

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    12. Re:That title has quite a spin on it. by tnk1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Conspiracies are *very* difficult to do well, that's why they usually fail. Think about your group of friends, they may well believe that what you are saying is right and good, but once you go over the line, there is no way they are going to follow you over it, and they'll turn you in without you even realizing it.

      When you are doing certain things, you're not even going to be able to trust your family and closest friends. Chances are, while some of them will not want to get you in trouble, they're probably not sociopaths and will eventually see what is happening and try to put a stop to it.

      And it's not a simple matter of keeping your mouth shut: it is difficult to be a lone wolf attacker and most of them have some sort of support to get them the materials and skills they need to carry out attacks. That's why al-Queda does a lot of work to disseminate terrorism how-tos on the Internet, but of course, if you have those materials or access them, you could be tracked.

    13. Re:That title has quite a spin on it. by Antipater · · Score: 2
      http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/23/canada-arrests-idUSL6N0DA14O20130423 Reuters has the police confirming that there was a tip from the Muslim community.

      Police gave little detail about the alleged plotters, but said a tip from the Muslim community had helped their year-long investigation.

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    14. Re:That title has quite a spin on it. by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 2

      > in that a lot of rural areas have the RCMP as their primary law enforcement

      So basically that's everything not within 20 miles of the border?

    15. Re:That title has quite a spin on it. by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 2

      Ha, ha. Funny.

      We use kilometres up here.

    16. Re:That title has quite a spin on it. by west · · Score: 2

      > Why would they betray their own community?

      I think you've got it the wrong way around. The would-be terrorists are betraying the Muslim community in every possible way.

      I'm certain that the immigrant communities understand that the extremists would be overjoyed to see them sacrificed to angry mobs in order to further the their agenda. There's not a lot of love lost between these groups.

      (Of course, you're always going to be able to find some angry young men ready to sacrifice everything and everybody to their rage. But the community at large? No.)

    17. Re:That title has quite a spin on it. by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2

      Policing in Canada is a provincial responsibility but except for Quebec, Ontario and Newfoundland and Labrador, the provinces contract provincial policing to the RCMP. Major cities within provinces often have their own police forces.

      The system works quite well. Places that are big enough to maintain and properly train police forces have them, but everywhere else uses provincially or nationally maintained forces. That way you don't have to worry about how well Joe the Sheriff in Backwoods Nowhere does his job.

    18. Re:That title has quite a spin on it. by cellocgw · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you really think honor killings aren't terrorism, you need to talk to a couple females. If you can find any.

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  3. It was the most polite arrest ever by TWiTfan · · Score: 4, Funny

    Or at least, that's how I picture it in my head.

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    1. Re: It was the most polite arrest ever by TWiTfan · · Score: 2

      It was probably someone looking to retaliate for Justin Bieber.

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    2. Re: It was the most polite arrest ever by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

      Or Bryan Adams. Although they have apologised for Bryan Adams on several occasions.

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    3. Re: It was the most polite arrest ever by Mashiki · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Who the hell tries to bomb Canada? A country stereotyped by polite apologies and maple syrup.

      Well that would be the same type of people as last time, and the time before that. Though not the same group as back in the 80's. The last dozen or so terrorist attempts have been attempted by "exceptionally devout muslims" back in the 80's we had two attempts by Sikh's, and back in the 60's and 70's it was the FLQ. Despite what people think Canadians have a very thin skin when it comes to terrorism.

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  4. That's Brilliant! by Greyfox · · Score: 4, Funny
    Step 1: Hijack Train

    Step 2: Fly it into a buliding

    They'll NEVER see it coming! (Except I guess Canada did)

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  5. Re:it's official by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is aboot dignity! This is aboot justice!

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  6. Things That Make You Go "Hmmm..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    1) They mention "Al Queda in Iran."

    So...exactly how powerful is a Wahabbi Sunni sect in an iron-fisted Shiite country? Think they have the bandwidth to help idiots in Canada (not the US) do some questionable damage?

    2) Coincidence?

    1. Re:Things That Make You Go "Hmmm..." by FuzzNugget · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I highly doubt it's coincidence. What is a bit baffling is why anyone thinks it's necessary. It appears that everyone did their job properly, citizens were vigilant without being vigilantes, no rights were violated and no one got hurt. Sounds like a win-win to me.

      What's worrying is that after a single foiled event, some lawmakers are going batshit and scrambling to get it passed. Here's a little tip: any time a new law is proposed that would seek to remove certain rights to make a law enforcers job easier, alarm bells should go off in your head. Doubly so when the timing is suspiciously exploitative of a recent fear-inducing event.

      Time to write your MPs, fellow Canadians.

    2. Re:Things That Make You Go "Hmmm..." by Xest · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "So...exactly how powerful is a Wahabbi Sunni sect in an iron-fisted Shiite country? Think they have the bandwidth to help idiots in Canada (not the US) do some questionable damage?"

      After 9/11 Iran actually offered to support the US for precisely this reason, but the US rejected the support and declared Iran part of the problem - part of the axis of evil.

      The problem is, having been cast into this role, Iran then seemed to come to the conclusion that it may as well play up to it. Iran did give refuge to some senior members of Al Qaeda who fled Afghanistan, and by about 2005 there was evidence of both Iran, and it's ally Syria supporting some elements of Al Qaeda against the US.

      It seems to be one of those rather misguided "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" scenarios, which Syria learnt to it's detriment given that many of the Al Qaeda affiliated militants it gave sanctuary, training, arms, and a base to launch attacks against the US and the new Iraqi administration to are now the same folks fighting the Syrian government.

      Alliances change frequently and are odd things sometimes - don't forget that it was only about 25 - 30 years ago that America was funding, training, and equipping Al Qaeda against the Afghans and that even in Libya and now Syria America finds itself on the same side as Al Qaeda in wanting the overthrow of then Gaddafi, and now Assad.

      So don't assume religious differences are enough to preclude any possibility of cooperation - all sides have shown they're willing to back the other when the situation suits. Al Qaeda and Iran have worked together in the past, and even if they weren't working together now, that doesn't preclude the possibility that they at least came from Iran, having gone idle there.

      It's likely, as much as anything, that Iran at least still tolerates a presence of Al Qaeda in certain areas allowing them to retain a decent amount of strength on the off-chance that they become a useful tool in carrying out war by proxy, even if it doesn't give them active material assistance any more.

    3. Re:Things That Make You Go "Hmmm..." by girlinatrainingbra · · Score: 2

      reThey mention "Al Queda in Iran." --- So...exactly how powerful is a Wahabbi Sunni sect in an iron-fisted Shiite country?
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      It's because the idiots who believe these things make mistakes in what they believe and what they write in their scripts. If they want to provoke an incident in Iran, they create stories with their worst possible bogey-man in Iran: hence their choice of AQ, which logic would show would definitely not be in Iran, as your comment so correctly points out. But when you wants idiots to believes your stories, you tells them whats they wants to hearz.
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      Was there even a real plot in the first place? Or was there only a scenario scripted, funded, produced, and directed by "informants" and governmental agencies to further their own ends? The Patriot Act extended the concept further, making it illegal to attempt or conspire to provide material support. Before, prosecutors had to prove you gave support. Now they just have to show you wanted to.
      .
      That change, along with other newly exploited vagueness in the existing material-support laws, opened up a whole new path for prosecutors. In the Padilla case and others, the government has argued successfully that a suspect is guilty of attempting to provide material support even if the plot he allegedly supported was purely a government concoction or, just as curious, even if the government hadn't said what group or plot the accused might have been supporting. -- from Department of Precrime

    4. Re:Things That Make You Go "Hmmm..." by Motard · · Score: 2

      "but but but but... Isamofacists!"

      Mark my words. We'll get rid rid of this SQL plague and ISAM will again rule the world.

    5. Re:Things That Make You Go "Hmmm..." by dkleinsc · · Score: 2

      One of the other lessons Iran learned from that "axis of evil" declaration:
      - If you have nukes aimed at important US allies, like North Korea does, the US will probably leave you alone.
      - If you don't have nukes, and have valuable resources like oil, the US may falsely claim you are trying to get nukes and invade your country.

      Completely rational response: Do everything you can to acquire nukes and aim them at the nearest and most important US ally.

      In other words, the Iraq War pretty much demands that the Iranian government become a nuclear threat to Tel Aviv. Which is why they're trying to do just that.

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    6. Re:Things That Make You Go "Hmmm..." by alexo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Coincidence?

      From the page:
      Now the Conservative government has a majority and can reinstate the measures on its own, but the Liberals say they will support the bill. The NDP opposes the bill and is questioning the timing of the government suddenly moving the bill into an emergency-like debate, accusing it of "being asleep since December."

      At least there is one major party in Canadian Parliament that's concerned about personal rights and liberties.
      Such behaviour should be rewarded.

      Personal opinion and disclosure:
      I came to Canada since 2000 and tried to be "politically aware" even before I got the citizenship. I never aimed to benefit any single political party but rather aspired to get people to think critically about the parties and candidates, as well as establish dialogs with elected representatives in my riding to try to sway them toward the "personal rights and liberties" side. Unfortunately I have grown so disappointed with both the Liberal and Conservative parties and their candidates (on both the federal and provincial levels) that I now advocate voting for any candidate unaffiliated with those two (independents, NDP, Green, Pirate, hell - even Rhino).

  7. Re:Think of the beavers! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    CHICAGO—In what is being called the first conceptual terrorist attack on American soil, the landmark Sears Tower was encased in 18 million tons of strawberry gelatin early Monday morning, leaving thousands shocked, angry, and seriously confused.
    The Sears Tower

    Authorities called to the scene of the senseless attack said they could do little to control the large crowds of dangerously bewildered citizens, many of whom searched desperately for some semblance of meaning in what had just taken place. As of press time, 11 night security guards were still trapped inside the famous structure, their rescue unlikely until the Jell-O melts.

    "My God, it's just awful," said commuter Nick Dawson, one of countless Chicago residents who struggled to comprehend what had occurred. "Why would anyone do something like this?"

    Tentative speculation that the dessert enclosure was in fact an act of terrorism was quickly confirmed after a group known only as the Prophet's Collective took credit for the attack in a three-hour-long video that surfaced on the Internet.

    "Your outdated ideas of what terrorism is have been challenged," an unidentified, disembodied voice announces following the video's first 45 minutes of random imagery set to minimalist techno music. "It is not your simple bourgeois notion of destructive explosions and weaponized biochemical agents. True terror lies in the futility of human existence."
    The terrorists' video made their message clear.

    According to a 2007 CIA executive summary, the terrorists responsible for masterminding the attack are likely hiding somewhere in Berlin's vast labyrinth of cafés. Though officials said they didn't know if any of those involved in carrying out the plot were still in Chicago, several dozen local performance artists and interpretive dancers have been brought in for questioning.

    "We believe that this is the same group responsible for the 2005 Saran-wrapping of the American embassy in Paris," CIA director Michael Hayden said. "This is an extremely dangerous organization with absolutely no regard for American tastes and sensibilities. If left unchecked, it could forever change the face of contemporary terrorism."

    Hayden said the CIA is working closely with the National Endowment for the Arts to cut off all grants that may serve as funding for the group. In addition, the Department of Homeland Security has begun monitoring any large purchases of gravy, tinfoil, pig's blood, and barbed wire in hopes of preventing another aesthetic tragedy.

    "We are calling upon all citizens to remain vigilant during this difficult and utterly peculiar time," Chicago mayor Richard M. Daley said during a press conference earlier today. "The city needs your help to ensure that the disturbing message sent to us by these terrorists today, whatever it was, never happens again."
    Shocked and slightly damp rescue workers.

    "If you see something weird, say something," Daley added.

    While officials have yet to determine the purpose of the attack, a number of potential theories have emerged, including the sudden deregulation of the U.S. economy, the destruction of culturally significant landmarks, and maybe the fact that man, in his essence, is no more than a collection of irrational fragments, incapable of finding reason where no reason exists.

    A secret communiqué leaked by the Prophet's Collective, however, decries these theories and several others as being "completely off," and goes on to call the American people "cultural infidels."

    Though many Chicago residents are still attempting to wrap their heads around the attack, some in the Windy City have refused to classify the Jell-O encasement as a terrorist act at all.

    "I'm no expert, but I know terrorism when I see it," said Kathy Atwood, a Hyde Park mother of four. "Where is the devastating loss of life and massive destruction of infrastructure? This doesn't move me to run for my life at all."

    She added: "Real terrorism takes years of training and meticulous plann

  8. Re:it's official by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 2

    Hahahaha, casual racism... *Wipes tear from eye*

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  9. Re:it's official by MightyYar · · Score: 2

    It's not racism, unless Canadians are a race. I was poking fun at the way some of them talk by paraphrasing South Park.

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  10. How convenient just when bill S-7 is being by future+assassin · · Score: 2

    debated. Which is funny because they got these guy using current laws so there's no need for new freedom removing laws. All the authorities have to do is do their fucking job.

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  11. Re:it's official by Talderas · · Score: 2

    Don't forget about the traditional Royal Canadian wedding. It was such a shame that the traditional bowl of pudding was tipped.

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  12. Re:it's official by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 2

    Quite so! I was poking fun at Americans by being ignorant.~

    (I derped.)

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  13. Re:it's official by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 2

    There is no "Al Qaeda".

    Perhaps there once was. Maybe.

    But now it's like watching guys in ball caps and saying they're members of the Yankees or Dodgers.

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  14. Via? by crossmr · · Score: 2

    You mean the poor excuse for a rail system in Canada? Via has fallen into near non-existence in recent years. You might as well try and blow up a covered bridge out in the middle of nowhere to disrupt traffic flow.

  15. Re:it's official by Udom · · Score: 2

    This is about herding. Terrorist attacks are pretty common around the world but we only hear about those involving Muslims. Italy has suffered a long series of bombings by anarchists over the last decades, many of them mail bombs, but they don't make news in Canada and the US. Spain had bombings by ETA for decades with hundreds killed but they were ignored here. The IRA flubbed setting off another car bomb in Ireland a short time ago but it was ignored here. We are being herded to more and more fear and the goal is to strip us of more and more of our freedom.

  16. Re:it's official by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2

    Al Qaeda was always a highly decentralized organization with a great degree of autonomy for individual cells. It does not mean that it does not exist.

  17. Re:it's official by jeff13 · · Score: 2

    Yea, there was never an "Al Qaeda" as the media and government defines it - As a world-wide organization of Islamist terrorists. The CIA came up with the term to describe it's recruits, etc. (mostly from Saudi Arabia) in the Afghanistan war against the Soviet invasion.