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Ubuntu Closes Longstanding Bug #1

dargaud writes "Mark Shuttleworth of Ubuntu fame has closed the primal bug on Launchpad, standing since 2004 and titled 'Microsoft has a majority market share,' due to the 'changing realities' of tablets, smartphones, and wearable computing."

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  1. Let me be the second by Zeroblitzt · · Score: 5, Funny

    to say, damn you Mark Shuttleworth, now we have to worry about actual code related bugs.

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    1. Re:Let me be the second by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      We should start with Bug #2: Stop dumbing down Linux, causing users to dumb down, causing dumber users to complain more, causing us to dumb things down even more, resulting in utter inusability for individuals with brains.

      Oh wait. That only happened in our mirror universe (the Good one). (Yep, we're the bad one.)

    2. Re:Let me be the second by dotancohen · · Score: 5, Informative

      How is this bug fixed? From the initial bug report, reproduction instructions:

      Steps to repeat:

              1. Visit a local PC store.
              2. Attempt to buy a machine without any proprietary software.

      What happens:

      Almost always, a majority of PCs for sale have Microsoft Windows pre-installed. In the rare cases that they come with a GNU/Linux operating system or no operating system at all, the drivers and BIOS may be proprietary.

      What should happen:

      A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software.

      I can still reproduce the bug in its entirety. Nothing has changed since 2004.

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    3. Re:Let me be the second by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean they might actually fix the litany of other code-related bugs that have kept it Ubuntu from first place since the beginning?

    4. Re:Let me be the second by interval1066 · · Score: 1

      I can still reproduce the bug in its entirety.

      Yeah, that Microsoft tax is a bitch. I beat it by buying demo units where possible. The Acer S3 ultra I'm typing this right now is a demo. Got it for $400 under msrp.

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    5. Re:Let me be the second by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Times change, and I am willing to grant that on our current time, we can categorize as "personal computing device" all the smart-phones and tablets in the market. Considering this, I think it is safe to say that more of these devices are sold without Windows (and actually, with a Linux variant).

      Sure, you can still buy desktop and laptop computers with Windows in it, but I am willing to say that right now, the majority of people *use* an open source Operating System in the computing device they use more.

      And that's why I think the bug actually can be closed.

      p.s., I am not Mark Shuttleworth

    6. Re:Let me be the second by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Working for me. Try this:

      1. Visit a local PC shop
      2. View the range of tablets with a Microsoft OS on.
      3. (Bonus) Tell your friends you got a surface without being laughed at.

      You could also try:

      1. Visit a local phone shop
      2. View the range of phones with a Microsoft OS on.
      3. (Bonus) Tell your friends you got a phone with a Microsoft OS on without being laughed at.

      You can also:

      1. Visit an on-line computer retailer site
      2. Purchase a PC without a Microsoft OS on.

    7. Re:Let me be the second by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shuttleworth now only cares about smartphones and tablets, as seen by the abomination that is Unity on a desktop computer.

    8. Re:Let me be the second by Rob+Y. · · Score: 1

      I think Microsoft collects the full tax even on heavily discounted systems and refurbs. Am I wrong?

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    9. Re:Let me be the second by F.Ultra · · Score: 1

      PCs yes, but note that the wording is "a machine" which can imply a phone, a tablet etc. The elephant in the room is "without any proprietary software" though, I don't recall that there is any phones or tables that are without that...

    10. Re:Let me be the second by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Give to the Emperor what's is the Emperor's"?

      It's not your freedom.

    11. Re:Let me be the second by CapOblivious2010 · · Score: 1

      A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software.

      "Should"? Does that mean anything more than "the guy writing the sentence wishes that PCs included only free software"?

      Personally, I think the majority of Ferrari's "should" be given away for free. I think I'll talk to the DOT about enforcing my personal preferences on other people.

    12. Re:Let me be the second by Outtascope · · Score: 1

      Hey Steve, how ya been buddy?

    13. Re:Let me be the second by readingaccount · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In my experience, the only people who laugh at Windows Phones/Tablets are people who feel the need to define themselves by the products they use or don't use (also known as fanboys).

      Such people are fucking pathetic and aren't worth caring about.

    14. Re:Let me be the second by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure an artificial, "we would have liked to sell them for this much" price point is a good comparison. What were people actually paying for the Acer S3 at the time you bought the demo model?

    15. Re:Let me be the second by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is this bug fixed? From the initial bug report, reproduction instructions:

      Steps to repeat:

              1. Visit a local PC store.

              2. Attempt to buy a machine without any proprietary software.

      What happens:

      Almost always, a majority of PCs for sale have Microsoft Windows pre-installed. In the rare cases that they come with a GNU/Linux operating system or no operating system at all, the drivers and BIOS may be proprietary.

      What should happen:

      A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software.

      I can still reproduce the bug in its entirety. Nothing has changed since 2004.

      Actually, something has changed. Unbuntu's willingness to close a bug that is still broken, as defined by its repeatability steps.

      Perhaps the bug should be close, who knows, maybe it shouldn't have been put in there in the first place; however, if it is closed as "mission accomplished" it is a de facto lie. Better to reject it, than to claim something that wasn't accomplished was (through rose colored glasses).

    16. Re:Let me be the second by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, like bug #2 "Ubuntu sucks the most rectum of ALL the Linux distros but still remains at a top position due to clueless lusers."

    17. Re:Let me be the second by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      It depends, I would think. On a refurb, if the original system came with a Windows license, there's no reason (I would think) that the refurb system wouldn't include the same license. Some refurbishers put updated copies of Windows on the system, so there'd be an extra cost there, but if it's a system that came with Vista for instance, you'll just have a Vista license you don't want. Of course, being a refurb system, the cost is much lower than a regular system, so it's not like you're paying full price for that Vista license anyway; it probbaly doesn't account for much of the cost at all (since no one wants Vista anyway, even Windows users).

      You can also buy used systems (namely laptops) on Ebay that really don't come with anything, where you're really just bidding for the bare hardware. Technically it might have a Windows license of some sort (with a sticker on the back proving it), but the system doesn't come with recovery discs, and may not even have a hard drive (they probably took it out and crushed it to protect secret corporate data). These systems are pennies on the dollar, so it's probably safe to say the "Windows tax" on them is insignificant. I'm typing this on such a laptop right now. You can get some nice business-class laptops (Thinkpads and Latitudes) on Ebay really cheap that are only a few years old and in near-new condition for $100-300.

    18. Re:Let me be the second by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Considering this, I think it is safe to say that more of these devices are sold without Windows (and actually, with a Linux variant).

      Doesn't matter, you're still paying a Microsoft tax for your Android device. MS makes more money (last I heard) in patent fees per Android device than they do for a Windows Phone device.

      I am willing to grant that on our current time, we can categorize as "personal computing device" all the smart-phones and tablets in the market.

      I'm willing to grant that too. However, this doesn't make them PCs, or replacements for PCs. No matter what anyone says, I do not agree that tablets or phones can be used for productivity work; they're content-consumption devices only. They're computing devices, but they're really a whole new market that exists in addition to the regular PC (laptop and desktop) market. Blu-ray players are also "personal computing devices", they're even internet-connected and lots of people use them for watching Netflix, and I suspect many of these run Linux too, but no one seems to be counting those, or routers (many of which again run Linux internally), or various other devices that may run Free software, but which serve purposes other than the purposes we use our regular PCs for.

      If we all go out and buy a bunch of Linux-running gadgets (router, Blu-ray/Netflix player, internet-connected refrigerator, robotic lawn mower, etc.), does that suddenly mean we don't need Free software on the computer we use for typing documents, browsing the internet (and typing messages on it), paying our bills and managing our finances, and all the other things we still rely on regular PCs for, and that we should just go back to Windows for that? I don't think so.

    19. Re:Let me be the second by RaceProUK · · Score: 1

      resulting in utter inusability for individuals with brains.

      Then use a distro designed for people with brains, like Slackware or Gentoo ;)

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    20. Re:Let me be the second by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just buy a new PC. No proprietary software at all, I had to build the thing but is a really easy thing to do, I'll worry when I can no longer do that.

    21. Re:Let me be the second by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's wrong with laughing at a product? Some products are just crap.

    22. Re:Let me be the second by peawormsworth · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that Microsoft tax is a bitch. I beat it by buying demo units where possible. The Acer S3 ultra I'm typing this right now is a demo. Got it for $400 under msrp.

      You dont seem to get it. The cost is irrelivent. The Microsoft tax is about knowing that every time you purchase a computer, you are actively supporting a computer company you have nothing to do with, do not benefit from, and actually believe has no purpose except to hidder the value of operating systems.

      If you purchase a product which includes a Microsoft OS, then you can be sure that Microsoft was paid for that license regardless of the amount you paid for the product. This is a bad and anti-competitive process.

    23. Re:Let me be the second by peawormsworth · · Score: 1

      Doesn't matter, you're still paying a Microsoft tax for your Android device. MS makes more money (last I heard) in patent fees per Android device than they do for a Windows Phone device.

      please provide a link to back up what you last "heard". Im fairly certin that adobe gets an unreasonable portion of any device with flash installed. But I would like to know what other companies are using patents to stifle the software market.

    24. Re:Let me be the second by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      I just buy a new PC. No proprietary software at all, I had to build the thing but is a really easy thing to do, I'll worry when I can no longer do that.

      You can start worrying already:
      http://linux.slashdot.org/story/12/12/28/163211/ask-slashdot-linux-friendly-motherboard-manufacturers

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    25. Re:Let me be the second by Mathinker · · Score: 1

      To summarize:

      People who denigrate (certain) inanimate objects are pathetic.
      People who denigrate (certain, e.g., pathetic) people are insightful.

      Gee, Slashdot is getting sooo much more classy as time goes on....

    26. Re:Let me be the second by readingaccount · · Score: 1

      When it comes to tech, logic goes out the window though (particularly on Slashdot). People denigrate things just because of who made it rather than the object itself. Such people are pathetic because, well, they ruin any ability to discuss products without flame-wars starting.

      If the products them are rubbish, then that's another thing. But every single review I've read about things like the Surface and Windows phones (particularly the Nokia ones) are that they are VERY well-built and designed, hardware-wise, and that the UI is extremely smooth and doesn't crash. However, they are locked down and lacking in apps, the latter of which probably has a significant reason in keeping the usage levels low.

    27. Re:Let me be the second by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or people with a slight amount of clue.

      I think sales results for phone/tablet/8 are showing that the market is laughing at Microsoft.

    28. Re:Let me be the second by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Give me a call when the marginal cost of Ferrari's is basically $0

    29. Re:Let me be the second by hobarrera · · Score: 1

      Lots of non-expensive-brand PCs have "FreeDOS" installed; that should count as free software, right?
      What about those PCs that come with nothing preinstalled?

  2. This is a compatibility issue by intermodal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think Microsoft fixed this bug by creating a compatibility issue that prevents its OS from functioning on devices that people actually like to use.

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    1. Re:This is a compatibility issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't call Windows not functioning properly on PC's a compatibility issue.

    2. Re:This is a compatibility issue by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      More people use something other than a PC.

      That's kind of the whole point of this little bit of hair splitting.

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    3. Re:This is a compatibility issue by jalopezp · · Score: 1

      Not when they're using Ubuntu.

    4. Re:This is a compatibility issue by intermodal · · Score: 1

      Which Ubuntu? Their phone software? their desktop software? their server software? Ubuntu has been pretty ambitious in its branching out lately.

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    5. Re:This is a compatibility issue by TemporalBeing · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't call Windows not functioning properly on PC's a compatibility issue.

      No, it's a feature.

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    6. Re:This is a compatibility issue by You're+All+Wrong · · Score: 1

      "Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug which Ubuntu and other projects are meant to fix."

      This bug is nothing to do with those branches. It should be reopened, it's nowhere near fixed.

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    7. Re:This is a compatibility issue by intermodal · · Score: 1

      I agree with the fact that the bug is not fixed, but I think the bug reflects a situation which has evolved.

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    8. Re:This is a compatibility issue by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      No, it hasn't. People still use PCs for PC tasks (i.e., "real work"). Yes, less people are buying PCs for home use these days, because they apparently don't do any real work at home, and just surf the web and watch videos and stuff like that, and apparently are perfectly happy trying to type poorly-written messages on touchscreen keyboards from the comfort of their couches. But for everyone else (including ALL business/corporate users; no one works on big spreadsheets or Powerpoint presentations on a tablet), they're still using PCs, and the situation in the PC market has not changed one iota from 2004.

    9. Re:This is a compatibility issue by intermodal · · Score: 1

      Due to our differing viewpoints on this, I guess we're just going to have to disagree on this one. I simply believe that the distinction between the devices isn't cut-and-dry enough to matter in this respect. Sure, there are plenty of desktops still out there and still being sold, but there are a lot of purposes for which people have stopped using desktops as well, in favor of mobile or portable devices.

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    10. Re:This is a compatibility issue by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Sure, they're doing more web-browsing, Youtube-watching, and some emailing on their portable devices, rather than confining those tasks to PCs (laptops and desktops). But for doing anything that needs a real keyboard and a real monitor and real processing power, they're still buying PCs, though these days it seems to be mainly laptops, though businesses are still using desktops a lot.

      Anyway, the bug was badly worded anyway; it focuses on Microsoft alone, when it should have been complaining that PCs are dependent on non-Free software, mainly for their OSes. Let's say that history went differently, and instead of mobile devices becoming popular, people stuck with laptops and desktops, except that MS collapsed and Apple took over, so that 95% of the market used Mac OSX. That situation isn't any better than 95% of the market going to MS Windows, it's pretty much the same thing. So what do we have here in our current universe? Sure, lots of mobile devices, but they're all running non-Free software which can't be changed: 1) Windows, 2) Mac OSX, 3) iOS, 4) Android. With 1 and 2 (confined to PCs), I can change the OS, but I'm still paying the MS Tax or Apple Tax for an OS I don't use. With 3 and 4, I'm stuck with the software that's on the mobile device, and can't be changed. iOS isn't Free in any way, but Android masquerades as Free software, but it isn't because it's customized by various entities, and then locked to the device so you're not allowed to change it (in the US at any rate). That's no better than if the thing ran Windows Phone. I do prefer Android to iOS (and WP of course) for various reasons, such as the fact that I can use a USB cable to connect my phone to my PC and then download photos from a bash shell, or upload Ogg Vorbis songs which play fine in the Android music player; I don't have to use some shitty proprietary Windows/Mac-only software to transfer data to and from my phone like I do with iOS devices. But it's definitely not at all like a PC running Linux, where I'm free to modify or replace the software as I see fit. Nothing except an hour or two of time keeps me from upgrading the Linux OS on my PC to a newer version of my choosing (and I have many distros to choose from). But even though I'd like to upgrade my phone to Jellybean, I can't do that, because T-mobile and HTC haven't allowed me to do so, and I'm confined to doing only what they allow me to do.

      Finally, the big problem in 2004 was that you could only buy a PC running Windows, and even though you could certainly wipe out Windows and install some version of Linux, you were still paying the "Microsoft Tax" for an OS you didn't want or use. That isn't any different now: if you buy an Android device, you're paying a Microsoft Tax, in the form of a rather significant ($15?) fee the device mfgr pays to Microsoft for their patent fees, for bogus patents MS has asserted over Android.

      In short, the situation isn't any better than it was in 2004. The bug should be re-opened, and modified so it isn't so MS-specific.

    11. Re:This is a compatibility issue by intermodal · · Score: 1

      Meh, I'm tired of arguing without arguing. I'd rather argue with someone with whom my differences are more significant than semantic splitting of hairs.

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    12. Re:This is a compatibility issue by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      The mobile device usability issue I can see you not wanting to argue about, as it's a common disagreement these days between the mobile-device-proponents and those who don't believe they can be used for real work, but my later paragraphs completely disagree with your fundamental assertion earlier, that "the situation has evolved". It hasn't. Well it has, but it isn't better (which your statement implied): it's still the same shit, it just looks a little different. I'm still paying a "proprietary vendor" tax on any device I buy (either an OS I don't want/use, or a bogus patent fee), and worse, on many devices, I can't even change the OS if I want to. In some ways, things are even worse than before.

    13. Re:This is a compatibility issue by intermodal · · Score: 1

      Oh, I don't think the situation is better, just that the operating systems are less likely overall to be literally a Microsoft product as specified in the bug. even if they've managed to weasel a few bucks out of their opponents.

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  3. Closed as WONTFIX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    since the last moves of Ubuntu seem to indicate 'refile for Android' as a solution?

  4. Trollololol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ubuntu -> Microsoft

  5. Re:Let me be the First by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    You'll be far from the first, you'll just be the first in this thread.

  6. New Bug Report by SnarfQuest · · Score: 5, Funny

    New bug posted.

    Android has too much market share.

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    1. Re:New Bug Report by UltraZelda64 · · Score: 1

      That'll be found on Microsoft's public bug tracker. Oh, wait... they don't have one. That's a bug!

    2. Re:New Bug Report by kthreadd · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, they have one.

      https://connect.microsoft.com/

    3. Re:New Bug Report by SilentStaid · · Score: 1

      You forgot their other Bug Reporting Tool: www.microsoft.com/en-us/kinectforwindows

      It can accurately report when people are watching programs for free - which is apparently an unintended side effect of home entertainment.

    4. Re:New Bug Report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would that be a bug? They make more money off of Android than Win8.

    5. Re:New Bug Report by telchine · · Score: 1

      New bug posted.

      Android has too much market share.

      Closed: This is a feature, not a bug.

    6. Re:New Bug Report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a bit very paltry.

      But next you tell me, they also have a package manager (no, MSI doesn’t count)... And I have to go hunt some air pigs to feed the starving people in frozen hell.

    7. Re:New Bug Report by kthreadd · · Score: 1

      Eh, they actually have that too.

      http://nuget.org/

    8. Re:New Bug Report by UltraZelda64 · · Score: 1

      I said public. I can't see anything at all on that site without a Microsoft Account (which I do have, by the way). It can't even be browsed without special privileges.

      And also, I see lots of smaller pieces within Windows there... but what about their entire operating system? Even just one complete OS? Or core parts of one? Is that off-limits to even Microsoft Account holders? Something more than just IE and the Powershell...

      That site not only looks closed, but restricted even to those privileged account-holding elite...

    9. Re:New Bug Report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now why doesn't MSI count? Nobody uses it but it's still there. It doesn't do repos but neither does dpkg or rpm. If you want to create a apt-/zypper-like front-end for Windows, nobody's stopping you.

    10. Re:New Bug Report by cloudmaster · · Score: 1

      Microsoft provides a list of their bugs at http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/sitemap.aspx, but Wikipedia provides a better interface at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_software_applications.

    11. Re:New Bug Report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A pox on your house, sir.

  7. Lame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's not a bug, it's a complaint.

    1. Re:Lame by SJHillman · · Score: 2

      Aren't bug reports mostly just complaints about something not being/doing what you want it to?

    2. Re:Lame by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      No. They are technical descriptions of incorrect behavior of the software.

    3. Re:Lame by Kjella · · Score: 2

      No. They are technical descriptions of incorrect behavior of the software.

      That only works in cases where there are clear and specific requirements/specifications for how this software should work or it crashes in some way no application ever should. Even then, the user won't know those he only sees what he thinks is incorrect behavior. Usually the definition of correct is just a meeting of minds, the user saying this doesn't look right, the developer agrees and the code changes since most bugs appear where the specification says nothing at all. And if the code follows the specifications it usually just moves the problem up a level, are the specifications correct or not. It's great for a blame-shifting game but really the user only cares about what he can't do, not why he can't do it and at what level it failed.

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    4. Re:Lame by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      Then we are talking about design decisions. But yes, there is often some overlap.

    5. Re:Lame by fisted · · Score: 1

      are bugs really the same as bug reports?

  8. Closed Platforms by Adrian+Lopez · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsoft is losing market share to tablets and smartphones, but these are shut tighter than the PC platform ever was. I'm not sure that's something to celebrate.

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    1. Re:Closed Platforms by bussdriver · · Score: 1

      There is no monopoly like microsoft and that is progress not an ideal.

    2. Re:Closed Platforms by TWiTfan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes the walled garden of iOS, controlled by one company absolutely and completely, is definitely progress over the open world of the PC.

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    3. Re:Closed Platforms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait till you see what evils Apple can devise.

    4. Re:Closed Platforms by Antipater · · Score: 1

      The Tsar's government may have sucked royally, but I wouldn't consider what happened afterward to be "progress".

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    5. Re:Closed Platforms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least Microsoft wasn't in the business of tracking your every action for advertising purposes.

    6. Re:Closed Platforms by gallondr00nk · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Microsoft is losing market share to tablets and smartphones, but these are shut tighter than the PC platform ever was.

      Agreed, It's essentially a Phyrric victory. We didn't get all worked up about Microsoft back in the day just because it was Microsoft, but because their monopoly threatened the open nature of the PC platform. Now we have a mobile platform with two major players, one of which is closed in a way that Microsoft could only dream of.

    7. Re:Closed Platforms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was unaware that Apple had a monopoly in either tablets or phones. In fact, with Android as a platform taking ~75% of the mobile OS market, iOS isn't even really a global player in the grand scheme.

    8. Re:Closed Platforms by PRMan · · Score: 1

      Android is pretty open. They let you run just about anything that can't screw up the drivers without even batting an eye (at least on Sprint they do). And rooting your phone is a simple 10-minute process. I'm not really seeing the problem.

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    9. Re:Closed Platforms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it isn't, why has it gained such market share? People vote with their wallet, it's stronger than your ideology.

    10. Re:Closed Platforms by TWiTfan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, you can buy alternatives to iOS, just like you can (and have always been able to) buy alternatives to Windows. But one lets me install any software I want to on it. The other doesn't. And that ain't progress, brother.

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    11. Re:Closed Platforms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the other hand, it's better than most previous phones.

    12. Re:Closed Platforms by Voyager529 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Android is pretty open. They let you run just about anything that can't screw up the drivers without even batting an eye (at least on Sprint they do). And rooting your phone is a simple 10-minute process. I'm not really seeing the problem.

      That's not ENTIRELY accurate. The grandparent's point transcends "Microsoft" and speaks a lot to "ecosystem" as well.

      Amongst the thing that gave Compaq and the IBM clones their rise was their level of openness. You could buy any commodity x86 box (or pieces and DIY assemble said box), and run DOS or Windows or OS/2 or Linux on them, upgrade when Microsoft released stuff, and be in charge of exactly what software did and didn't end up on our machines. Now this level of openness came with a cost, namely all of the problems that naturally came with giving users complete control: viruses/malware/toolbars, the necessary routine maintenance not being performed, incompatibilities, teaching users to "click next until the installation is finished" and ending up with a dozen pieces of software that weren't wanted, and people actually believing the FBI holds their computer for ransom unless they use Greenpak to send money to "pay the fine".

      You can SOMETIMES root in ten minutes. My Toshiba AT200 has a locked bootloader and since Toshiba hasn't released a means of unlocking it (and hacking said bootloader doesn't have the same sex appeal as being the one to crack the Galaxy S5), so I'm stuck in an unrooted state. Even if I had an unlocked bootloader or Nexus 10 or Transformer Prime, I can't install Windows RT on it if I wanted to. In its present state, I can't remove the unwanted applications that came with the machine. Sure I can 'disable' them, but they're still taking up storage space I would rather use for other things. I'm at Toshiba's mercy as to whether I'll ever get Jelly Bean, Key Lime Pie, or Taramasu, and none of them look promising. Sure, I can install most applications on said tablet even if they don't come from the Play Store, but for quite some time this ability was disabled on AT&T phones running Android. I doubt I need to say more than "Kindle Fire" and "Nook Color" to make my point in those cases.

      Android, the operating system, as uploaded to source.android.com, is indeed a "pretty open" system. This doesn't make Android-as-98%-of-the-population-run-it a system as open as Windows-as-98%-of-the-population-run-it, the hardware it shipped on, and the ISPs that shuffled data to it. It might not be Google's fault that Android is twisted in the form that it is by some of the OEMs and carriers, but it is a product they put their name on.

    13. Re:Closed Platforms by Kjella · · Score: 1

      That's the bad news... the good news is that you can find unlocked or unlockable Android devices that are way more mainstream than any of the Windows and OS X competitors ever managed to be. Yes, certain apps that require DRM won't work but on the whole you're way, way more mainstream with a rooted Android phone than a Linux desktop. And Android is making the OS a commodity because if you don't need to be on the bleeding edge you can always download the last released Android version for free, even cheap Chinese clone makers. There is no way Apple will be the ones supplying most of the world with cheap smartphones unless they completely change their business model.

      Tablets are a bit earlier in the market development but there's no reason to think it'll be any different, Apple will skim the top with the iPad but eventually Android will be the Nokia (pre-suicide) of cheap tablets to supply the world. Globally most people simply can't afford an iPad and they never will, but they'll take whatever cheap hardware someone can put a $0 version of Android on. I guess it's not the future RMS or Canonical wanted, but Apache is a proper Open Source license and the kernel itself is GNU/free. And there's now plenty of applications and developers for that open source system, building inertia that will rival what Windows has for desktop applications. I think your glass is very much so half empty if you think this is a "Phyrric victory".

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    14. Re:Closed Platforms by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      It absolutely was for the vast majority of people there, at least briefly. Most of the really awful stuff didn't come until Statlin came into power. Lenin's NEP only lasted a couple years though, so it's not clear how fast it would have fallen apart if continued.

      Note: I'm not endorsing Leninism as the best choice, just that it lacked the brutal tyranny that both Stalinism and Czarism had.

    15. Re:Closed Platforms by atom1c · · Score: 1

      Oh you and your common sense. History is meant to be forgotten, not compared against!

    16. Re:Closed Platforms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft was a software monopoly, now we have a hardware oligopoly. Apple and Samsung have something like 55% of the smartphone market share. This is not progress, it is worse.

    17. Re:Closed Platforms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can SOMETIMES root in ten minutes. My Toshiba AT200 has a locked bootloader and since Toshiba hasn't released a means of unlocking it (and hacking said bootloader doesn't have the same sex appeal as being the one to crack the Galaxy S5), so I'm stuck in an unrooted state. Even if I had an unlocked bootloader or Nexus 10 or Transformer Prime, I can't install Windows RT on it if I wanted to. In its present state, I can't remove the unwanted applications that came with the machine. Sure I can 'disable' them, but they're still taking up storage space I would rather use for other things. I'm at Toshiba's mercy as to whether I'll ever get Jelly Bean, Key Lime Pie, or Taramasu, and none of them look promising. Sure, I can install most applications on said tablet even if they don't come from the Play Store, but for quite some time this ability was disabled on AT&T phones running Android. I doubt I need to say more than "Kindle Fire" and "Nook Color" to make my point in those cases.

      Why buy a locked device if you care?

    18. Re:Closed Platforms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And finding vulnerabilities in Linux to exploit is a simple 10-minute process. I'm not really seeing the problem.

      FTFY

    19. Re:Closed Platforms by Microlith · · Score: 1

      Because people aren't buying the devices because they're closed, they're buying it because the user experience is good. It does not follow that being locked down is also good.

      People vote with their wallet, but they also vote against their own best interests. Repeatedly.

    20. Re:Closed Platforms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's the original claim:
      [QUOTE]Android is pretty open. ... And rooting your phone is a simple 10-minute process. ...[/QUOTE]

      The poster then pointed out that this isn't always true, illustrating his point by referring to the Toshiba AT200, a device which runs Android, which cannot be rooted in a "simple 10-minute process".

      Your response:
      [QUOTE]Why buy a locked device if you care?[/QUOTE]

      If he bought an Android device based on the original claim, then he was *mislead* into believing that "Android is pretty open", and "rooting your phone is a simple 10-minute process." You've entirely missed his point that, you can't actually claim, based solely on the fact that a device runs Android, that it is "pretty open", or that it can be rooted *at all*, much less that it can be done so using a "simple 10-minute process".

      So, in response to your question:
      Don't buy an Android device if you don't want a locked device. You might just get one anyway.

    21. Re:Closed Platforms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haha, you dumb fuck.

    22. Re:Closed Platforms by Burz · · Score: 1

      Amongst the thing that gave Compaq and the IBM clones their rise was their level of openness. You could buy any commodity x86 box (or pieces and DIY assemble said box), and run DOS or Windows or OS/2 or Linux on them...

      The last days of "openness" died when MS knifed OS/2 in the back. From that point on, no (typical, time-limited) consumer could count on getting new hardware with a fully-working alternative OS. A substantial fraction of popular components was (is still) poorly documented with the only *proper* drivers written only for Windows.

      Nowadays, no vendor offering "Linux" as an alternative for their machine would bother to ensure that all hardware features are working and accessible to the user (yet they go out of their way for Windows). They source the chips most highly-regarded for compatibility by people who have next-to-zero resemblance to a typical computer user or even 92% of the techie demographic... so its "compatible" if you can use the features by spending days typing in a CLI.

      The consumer PC market isn't "open". The target systems might as well be Macs.

    23. Re:Closed Platforms by Xest · · Score: 1

      This strikes me as a rather silly argument, because I've seen plenty of closed devices running non-Android Linux over the years too, they still make the source code available but that doesn't stop the device being locked down.

      Open source doesn't mandate that you must have openness on the hardware platform itself, just that the source must be available. In this respect it can sometimes offer no tangible advantage over proprietary software if you're using it pre-packaged on a locked down device.

      But there is still one clear benefit of open source software used in this way, the source is available so you're perfectly able to manipulate it to run on a competing device or create a competing device yourself and there are Android projects and devices out there exactly like this that have taken advantage of this fact.

      You're complaining that your Toshiba device isn't open but that's not a fault of Android and it's openness, that's a fault of people like you buying locked down hardware in the first place. If you don't want locked down hardware then why on earth would you buy it when there are plenty of options available?

      It's not Android that's not open, it's the devices you've opted to buy. Android is an operating system, an open one, that doesn't mean the hardware you buy to run it on is - the Android name isn't on the hardware, things like "Samsung", "Motorola" and so forth are, the Android name is merely applied to the operating system those devices run. The fact there are plenty of projects out there making use of Android's open nature is evidence of the fact that there is nothing inherently not open about Android. Yes, I'm aware that there is a version Google controls that is generally ahead of the AOSP but just about all open source projects have more up to date versions controlled by the developers than is necessarily publicly available, you just have to be a little more patient for it to be released, and if you don't like it, then fork.

    24. Re:Closed Platforms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      pyrrhic

      dude

    25. Re:Closed Platforms by Voyager529 · · Score: 1

      The point I was making is that mobile computing does not have the same level of openness that desktop computing has traditionally enjoyed, and this has been the case by design in both scenarios. Sure I can't run Windows on my Linksys router (as an example of a closed Linux device), but that's a similarly disingenuous argument to make. My router supports the stock firmware, DD-WRT, and TomatoUSB; I'm not complaining about it not running Windows because I'm not looking to go beyond its class of existence, namely, to route network traffic.

      I didn't buy the Toshiba tablet, I won it in a contest. I didn't get a choice in the matter. The point I was making is related to the GGGP post who said that it should be of questionable celebration that the demise of Windows be the case; Microsoft never actively prevented users from installing Linux on their machines, and even for all the hoopla Secure Boot has generated, the spec mandates that the user be able to disable it. Nexus tablets don't allow me to install WinRT, to directly address it not being Google's fault. Surface tablets don't let me install Android. I can't install either one on an iPad. This has never been the case in the realm of desktop computing, where basically everything runs on basically everything (Hackint0sh situations notwithstanding).

      My point is that no matter which mobile OS you point to, it's tied to a vertical ecosystem in which the hardware and software are much more intimately connected than has been the case in desktop computing. Resultantly, just because AOSP doesn't come with bloatware and unremovable applications doesn't mean that these problems don't plague the ecosystem.

    26. Re:Closed Platforms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could have turned it down, destroyed it, whatever.

  9. LMFAO, seriously? by UltraZelda64 · · Score: 2

    For a second I was expecting the "bug" to be some actual major bug or security issue that has existed for years. But all it is... is Microsoft's marketing dominance? I mean, I agree that their monopoly is/was a bad thing, but I find it ironic and funny that it was classified as a bug.

    1. Re:LMFAO, seriously? by xvan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I mean, I agree that their monopoly is/was a bad thing, but I find it ironic and funny that it was classified as a bug.

      BUG DESCRIPTION
      Binary package hint: launchpad
      Description: Slashdotters seem to not understand sarcasm.

      To reproduce the bug follow these steps-
      1. Raise a sarcastic bug
      2. Make some reference to it in slashdot
      Add Sarcasm tags to the bugtracker:

      Possible Fix:
      Add sarcasm tags to the bug summary

    2. Re:LMFAO, seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is why Bug is a much better term than fault, failure, or defect.

    3. Re:LMFAO, seriously? by UltraZelda64 · · Score: 1

      Nice one, but it still doesn't make the Ubuntu team seem any more mature. And I get the joke, but it's still funny... in a very dumb way.

      They must not have been trying to be too sarcastic though, considering they were serious enough to close this "bug" after what it was describing became less true...

  10. Wait what? by Synerg1y · · Score: 1

    Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.

    from TFA : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1

    He obviously missed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems

    1. Re:Wait what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was closed due more to the changing nature of computing being less desktop centric with the growth of phones and tablets since 2004.

      In the new growth areas of tablets and phones Microsoft's market share is minimal, while they still have overall control when you combine the categories, but where the growth is they don't control, and overall their market share has eroded away a fair amount.

      So Microsoft's stronghold being stagnant (or slowly eroding) and them not being very present the growth sector (despite attempts) it was felt that it was time to close that so called bug.

    2. Re:Wait what? by Synerg1y · · Score: 1

      Oh ok, I get it, but an equally fitting article title would've been "Ubuntu gives up on desktop market due to increasing mobile presence".

    3. Re:Wait what? by SoftwareArtist · · Score: 1

      Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.

      Wait... you mean there's still a market for desktop PCs? I had no idea! And how many of them get sold compared to laptops, tablets, phones, and even servers?

      Then again, there's probably someone somewhere who still uses floppy disks.

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    4. Re:Wait what? by Synerg1y · · Score: 1

      What are you posting off of?

    5. Re:Wait what? by SoftwareArtist · · Score: 1

      A laptop (which happens to run Mac OS).

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  11. Re:Ubuntu? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's a self-righteous organization proclaiming that they're more ethical and free than evil corporate computing empires, while at the same time lead by a moronic billionaire who wants to be as cool and smart as Steve Jobs, but continuously throws tantrums when no one takes him seriously because he is not actually Steve Jobs.

  12. Re:Microsoft has a majority market share by MLBs · · Score: 5, Informative

    Not in my house it doesn't. 1 Win 7 laptop 1 MacBook Pro 1 Chrome Book 3 Raspberry PIs running Raspbian 1 Android tablet 1 Android phone 1 blackberry playbook 1 Apple TV Looks like Linux wins, with Android a close second. The best part is that this is all for one person living alone. :)

    Perhaps I'm reading this wrong, but it seems that they're saying that in 2004, MS had a majority, but this is now changing and thus the bug can be closed. With your enumeration you simply give anecdotal evidence to this.

  13. Re:Ubuntu? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here is a good link to it. And just because you've never heard of it, don't assume many people on a nerd related news site hasn't either. There is usually one or two posts a week about ubuntu here.

    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ubuntu

  14. ha by smash · · Score: 4, Funny
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    1. Re:ha by MetalliQaZ · · Score: 0

      Darn it, where are my mod points?
      +1

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  15. Re:Microsoft has a majority market share by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And this is exactly why they felt it was time to close that 'bug'.

    Microsoft's control has been falling in part to households like yours. But look back to 2004 when that 'bug' was put in place, your device count would be lower and Microsoft likely had a larger percentage of the total share.

    There are more devices in the household now running a wider variety of operating systems, Microsoft is no longer dominate in the typical house and plays a smaller part overall.

  16. Re:Microsoft has a majority market share by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Android is Linux, dufus

    If by the core definition Linux = kernel, then yes, it is a customized variant. If you by Linux means the full OS, what the purist would call GNU/Linux, then, no, not really... You could just as well claim that Android is Java.

  17. Time to add a new bug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ..Apple has majority market mindshare

  18. If you arbitrarily redefine the target... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If we look at "anything with an OS" did Microsoft ever have the majority of the marketshare?

    1. Re:If you arbitrarily redefine the target... by kthreadd · · Score: 1

      In the case of personal computing then yes. Since personal computing is moving toward areas where Microsoft doesn't have near monopoly then they obviously don't have monopoly on the personal computing market anymore.

  19. Re:Microsoft has a majority market share by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Don't you mean GNU/Doofus?

  20. Bug #1 by Tyler+R. · · Score: 2

    Personally, I don't think this bug is fixed yet. Desktop Linux still lingers around 1% market share, and while Android, OEM involvement and new AAA software titles, I think we still have a long way to go. Oh, well. Debian fanboy's 2 cents.

    1. Re:Bug #1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Desktop is for the past. Tablet is the future. Future of Linux is Android. Embrace it or extinguish!

    2. Re:Bug #1 by Lennie · · Score: 1

      Windows 8 made it even more complicated to install Linux. Not only because of UEFI but also because of Fast Boot.

      http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTM4MDY

      The stupid thing is, it also makes it harder to fix Windows.

      It might even make it legally very complicated to get a refund from Microsoft if you want a refund for the pre-installed software.

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    3. Re:Bug #1 by Tyler+R. · · Score: 1

      But does your tablet play Crysis 3? What about Metro: Last Light?

    4. Re:Bug #1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeaaahhh....

      Call me back once tablets actually become suited to do useful stuff like, coding, writing, designing, and gaming. (No, most mobile games do not count, I'll get a handheld with actually decent games for that if I wanted to)

      I have a Nexus 7 tablet and the only thing I use it for is reading r/gamedev when I'm forced to spend time with my family.

    5. Re:Bug #1 by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Could "Press F12 for boot menu" on some boards still be offered by UEFI? I assume since you can still press F2 for "Setup" that this would work too. If so, you can just initialize USB after hitting that. Wanting your bootloader to handle a one-time boot without bypassing it is not really worth slowing down every other boot for me. I think Microsoft's recommendation is sound. Especially if it can be turned off optionally.

    6. Re:Bug #1 by Burz · · Score: 1

      The irony is that you can sell mostly libre Android to hundreds of millions of people, but its almost impossible to give away even the most proprietary-bejeweled "Desktop Linux".

      Here's a clue as to why: The Linux Foundation had an SDK for "mobile Linux" *years* before they had one for their much older desktop spec. Of course, they were just reacting to what Google was already doing with Android.

      Something I call 'greybeard distro culture' was unequipped to give people (esp. app developers) what they needed: Feature stability (from the calendar GUI right through to a standard IDE and package installer) and ABI stability (...if I try programming to explore this new idea of mine, my classmates and my cousin can run it on the first try... otherwise will just cut my programming teeth on Windows or Mac, and stay there). Greybeard rejectionists limited the role of desktop interface design to the periphery where those features could not hold stable forms, and they fostered a culture where app coders were seen as mere coders-- no differentiation except that they were "stupid" for not wanting to or knowing how to write OS code.

      Those two features that make a real PC platform will engender the confidence that creative users need to invest their time and their minds to eventually become creative and brilliant *developers*. The first feature also makes remote telephone/web technical support a realistic proposition.

      Hardware compatibility is another issue, but one that the Linux Foundation could have solved if they accepted the need for a limited range of offically recognized compatible models... not hard to do.

    7. Re:Bug #1 by Lennie · · Score: 1

      None of that works, on a lot of desktop machines the keyboard is USB too.

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    8. Re:Bug #1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The public facing API in the Linux kernel is extremely stable.

      Use their private API at your own risk.

      An ABI is overrated and unnecessary.

  21. Re:Microsoft has a majority market share by kthreadd · · Score: 1

    If Android is Java and Android is Linux, then Linux must be Java.

  22. Re:Ubuntu? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
  23. Bux not Fixed.... by Notabadguy · · Score: 2

    I'm not against the closing of this bug; however, the closed status should be something like "Can't Fix" [0]. While, technically speaking, Microsoft doesn't have the majority of the marketshare anymore, the originally prescribed goal of this bug was:

    A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software.

    Note that *even if* we count Android/Linux, and also count every type of device like mobile phones and tables, nearly all of those devices -- even those running Android/Linux or Ubuntu -- include proprietary software (Many Android/Linux devices include *mostly* proprietary software, since
    nearly all the applications are proprietary). Thus, it's just not accurate at this time to argue "Fix Released" for the key issue that this bug was supposed to be about: namely, "most devices in use today are running mostly proprietary software". It'll probably be generations before we close that bug, and that's why I'd
    argue the problem probably can't be fixed as part of the lifecycle of Ubuntu itself. Thus "Can't Fix" is the right bug-close status.

    [0] "Won't Fix" isn't right because that would presupose Ubuntu actually had the ability to fix the problem and chose not to. Sadly, I don't think it was ever really within the power of the Ubuntu project to fix the problem in the first place. Nevertheless, I thank Ubuntu for the early years (i.e., pre-UbuntuOne: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-servers/+bug/375272 ) when Ubuntu truly tried to close Bug 1. It's a tough job to give software freedom to the majority of users, but we should all keep trying to do it.

  24. Re:Microsoft has a majority market share by smash · · Score: 4, Informative

    The ratio of 650 Windows 7 boxes plus 75 Windows 2008 R2 boxes at work to 3 Unix machines tends to swing the balance in favour of Windows where I am.

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  25. Abuse of bug tracking systems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Cute entries like that wouldn't be tolerated in some workplaces. I prefer a professional attitude in the bug tracking system. They should purge anything else similar to this that isn't an actual bug.

    1. Re:Abuse of bug tracking systems by chilvence · · Score: 1

      It is a bug. That's the whole point. It may not be a bug that exists in some source code on a computer, but it is still a tangible issue that can be 'tracked'

  26. Re:Microsoft has a majority market share by SteveFoerster · · Score: 5, Funny

    Both of you are doofi.

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  27. Re:Let me be the First by TWiTfan · · Score: 4, Funny

    I would care. But I'm a long-time Linux supporter, which means I only care about my distro of choice.

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  28. Re:Ubuntu? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Swing and a miss...

  29. Windows 8 has helped make this possible by echtertyp · · Score: 0

    Ubuntu and *nix in general has been getting better and better.... and then Windows put a shotgun in its mouth and pulled the trigger, becoming "Windows 8".

  30. Re:Let me be the First by gandhi_2 · · Score: 1, Troll

    How is it that on slashdot, an admission of ignorance AND intellectual apathy is "insightful".

    You might not be hip to ubuntu culture, thats fine. But don't celebrate it.

  31. the details of the bug... likely: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This bug affects: 1 person
    is assigned to: Apple and Google
    Labels Applied to this issue: wont fix, invalid
    Status:Completed

  32. Reports of the death of PC... by Junta · · Score: 1

    Have been greatly exaggerated. Phones and tablets have largely been a distinct market. I don't think it has really had any particular effect on PC or laptop market.

    I'm willing to beleve that *sales* of x86 systems to the consumer market have slowed. I think though that *usage* hasn't decreased appreciably. x86 ecosystem got 'good enough' for the vast majority of market and performance needs no longer drive demand. I think this would have been the reality with or without android/ios/etc.

    It does reaffirm that Ubuntu just does not care about the desktop model at all. That was self-evident from the crap of Unity and Mir though. It further erodes what little respect I had for the distribution. They are chasing market opportunity more than trying to provide value to their users. It's sad on both ends. On one end, their once respectable desktop experience has languished. On the other end, their attempts to get into televisions and phones have been pretty pathetic.

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    1. Re:Reports of the death of PC... by PRMan · · Score: 1

      I disagree. I know a lot of people that use tablets to browse web and e-mail and access Facebook, Twitter and YouTube. A house that needed 4 PCs before for a family of four (2 parents, 2 teenagers) now only needs 1 or 2 PCs and 4 tablets. That's a 50%-75% reduction in the number of needed PCs.

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    2. Re:Reports of the death of PC... by unimacs · · Score: 2

      In some cases at work we've replaced laptops with tablets for field use. Laptops were often not a very good fit anyway.

      At home, we used to have two PCs, then a PC and a laptop, then 2 laptops and we've since replaced one laptop with a tablet. That arrangement works pretty well, especially when you consider that my son has his own tablet through school and my daughter has an iPod touch that she uses for email, games, messaging, and watching shows on netflix.

      My point is that there are things that we used to use PCs for that are done as well or better by a mobile device. That's not to say there aren't trade offs but I do believe that tablets in particular are cutting into PC and laptop sales. Lots of people use a computer primarily for web and email access. Even though a PC might be better at some things and many families will keep one around, they aren't going to be as inclined to buy new ones as often. Our current laptop is 4 years old and we've got no plans to upgrade anytime soon. We'd probably get another tablet first. So yeah, I think the PC market has definitely been impacted.

  33. Plenty of purile stuff left in the list... by Bearhouse · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Like this one:

      #461000 General populace ignorance of Ubuntu

    Easy fix; stop doing stupid things that are driving people to Mint etc. and get back to what a lot of people, (including me) were hoping for at the beginning - a decent distro that "just works" that we would could confidently install at friends, family, neighbours, SOHO whatever, without support nightmares at evenings and weekends. (Yes, I've been dicking around with BSD etc. for years, but I do need some time with my family...)

    With MS busy pissing people off with Win8, they've missed a great opportunity.
    I had some success 'converting' people with Linux skinned as XP; c'mon Mark; where's Ubuntu Win7 edition?

    1. Re:Plenty of purile stuff left in the list... by WaroDaBeast · · Score: 1

      I should really give you a mod point, but there's something I need to get off my chest about Ubuntu.

      I mean... No fallback mode when graphic acceleration is missing? Seriously???

      So here's the story. There's an HD 4670 in my dad's PC. Because of AMD (so the root of the problem isn't Ubuntu, but please bear with me), there are issues with using the legacy version of the Catalyst drivers. That's on Ubuntu 13.04. First, I added a well-known PPA to circumvent the problem (that is, get back 3D acceleration), but it reappeared a while ago.

      Now, I know I could use the non-proprietary drivers. But that's not what I'm complaining about. My complaint against Ubuntu is — like I said above —, it doesn't offer you a fallback mode when graphic acceleration fails. That kind of thing is standard across all operating systems. You ought to be able to continue to use your machine when some superfluous feature suddenly stops working (unless said use requires said feature, of course).

      I was a bit reluctant to install Manjaro on my dad's PC then, thinking that the constant upgrades — yes, it's a rolling-release distro — would break something sooner or later. No, sir... it's been running like a charm ever since.


      My €0.02.

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    2. Re:Plenty of purile stuff left in the list... by atom1c · · Score: 1

      Since Linux Mint is based on Ubuntu, why should Canonical care whether you use their distro or the Mint distro?

    3. Re:Plenty of purile stuff left in the list... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      c'mon Mark; where's Ubuntu Win7 edition?

      Boy, that's quite ironic, isn't it?

      Shuttleworth's very first bug was Microsoft's dominance on the desktop.

      But then, just when he was finally given his best chance to convert those Windows desktop users to Ubuntu, Shuttleworth alienated almost every desktop user by forcing Unity on them.

      And to compound the irony, Unity's mistake was exactly the same as Win8's mistake: unnecessarily forcing desktop users to adopt a touch-mobile paradigm.

      Just imagine how different things would have been if Shuttleworth had focused like a laser on bug #1 by giving those WinXP/Win7 users an upgrade path to a great Ubuntu desktop experience, saving them from Win8's crappy UI mistakes.

      Shuttleworth is the one person who most feasibly could have given us a true "year of the Linux desktop" if only he had gotten serious about fixing bug #1, instead of letting Apple and Google fix it for him.

    4. Re:Plenty of purile stuff left in the list... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They couldn't fix the associated 'printer bug'. Yeah you can install Ubuntu for friends and family, and then they can't do basic things like check ink level, clear the heads, and sometimes even duplex. So you check out the 'Linux compatibility' lists for new printers and find they're loaded with "works" scores that only mean basic page printing, and not those killer items. Buy a printer, test it yourself, return the printer, repeat...

      Egg on face time with friends and family. Been there. Converted a number of people who had to get off XP and understood to avoid Vista. Then they bought Win7 machines as soon as they were ready and had market-ready printing again.

      Linux on the mainstream desktop was a _great_ dream. But we blew it. We missed the opportunity handed out by Vista.

      Kinda interesting that Ubuntu is aiming for a non-desktop future that won't have the same tie to printers.

    5. Re:Plenty of purile stuff left in the list... by Bearhouse · · Score: 1

      Because it negates their entire current direction, which btw is also in opposition to their original published values.

    6. Re:Plenty of purile stuff left in the list... by Bearhouse · · Score: 1

      Mod up...

    7. Re:Plenty of purile stuff left in the list... by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1
      Actually, since about 11.04, the printer install process fails for networked printers, I have reported it, and the bug was closed after a couple of years "because no one had suggested a fix!"

      Priort to that, the printers worked fine, and they still work with Android, Win 7 and *BSD (I have never even seen WIn8). In fact, there is a command line install process that works too. Given that at least two of the users I support could not even spell "Command line" this is not exactly user friendly.

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    8. Re:Plenty of purile stuff left in the list... by F.Ultra · · Score: 1

      I run 13.04 on a machine without 3D acceleration. There is a fall back, it's just unfortunately not automatic. On the login screen you have to click on the Ubuntu logo to the right of the username to change the login type from the default to Classic or what it is now called (the machine is at work and I'm home at the moment so I cannot check right now).

    9. Re:Plenty of purile stuff left in the list... by F.Ultra · · Score: 1

      I don't think that it fails for all cases, I installed a networked Brothers printer just fine on my 12.04LTS laptop at work, and I didn't fiddle around with the command line one bit.

    10. Re:Plenty of purile stuff left in the list... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do Ubuntu in their LTS release have an update that breaks Synaptic touchpads?

      Awful distribution.

    11. Re:Plenty of purile stuff left in the list... by Burz · · Score: 1

      Win8 is their second great opportunity... the first one was Vista. When Win7 was announced I realized that the Desktop Linux bandwagon hadn't just lost its wheels... it didn't have enough of them to begin with.

      UserLinux, Progeny Linux, Debian Core Consortium and that attempt Mark Shuttleworth made to get distros to align their library versions... those were missed opportunities too. It just isn't within the old PC hacker mindset to come together on this issue and give consumers and esp. app developers what they need. They'd rather take consumer things apart and turn them into web servers.

      Meanwhile a whole new generation of developers is re-generating the personal computing dynamic on Android.

    12. Re:Plenty of purile stuff left in the list... by WaroDaBeast · · Score: 1

      If what you say is true, I stand corrected. I probably didn't have that option because I had been upgrading since 11.04 or so and, as we all know, OS upgrades tend to break stuff.

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  34. Re:Microsoft has a majority market share by SilentStaid · · Score: 1

    ...and the ratio of the likely phones/tablets at (what I'm assuming) is a white-collar job would be similar to global market share... so add in:

    400 Androids (seems high... might be less in the US, I was lazy)
    130 iPhones running iOS
    a handful of feature phones and a smattering of MS Phones

    And you'll find your ratios balanace out *much* more than they used to.

    Source:Hint: It didn't always look like this.

  35. Silly rabbit... by David_Hart · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ....trixs are for kids

    I've been on Slashdot for a while now and I'll never understand the fanaticism that drives the UNIX culture that would spawn the
    1. Creation of a bug report that is, essentially, a political statement
    2. One that is left open for 9 years just because they are that childish
    3. Reporting said bug/political statement has been closed as if some monumental success has been achieved.

    1. Re:Silly rabbit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They could just close it like many of the other bugs they have 'wont fix'.

    2. Re:Silly rabbit... by heteromonomer · · Score: 1

      Wish I had mod points. Had no clue what TFS was talking about, so went and read the freaking link. 5 minutes that are not coming back.

    3. Re:Silly rabbit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In other news, fun continues to not be allowed.

    4. Re:Silly rabbit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get out. And hand in your geek card before you go. Since you seem to be an ignoramous I'll explain it for you. Yes it was a political statement. An amusing one at that, and no one ever suggested it should be fixed. Left open for 9 years just adds to the humor. Closing it just brings attention to Microsnot's loss of market share. The fact that it's due to mobile migration doesn't really matter because MS could have dominated that market too had they not made Win 8 such a bag of dicks. Not a huge achievement, but a good thing overall IMO.

  36. Re:Microsoft has a majority market share by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a ratio of 242:1, in my experience that makes sense....since it takes about 242 Windows Systems to do the work of 1 *nix system ;)

  37. Closed how? "Wontfix?" by Animats · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The typical "bug fixing" strategy for open source seems to be

    • Ignore bug unless many other people confirm it.
    • After a few years, claim that some change probably fixed the bug, and ask the bug reporter to reproduce it again.
    • Close the bug without actually fixing it.
    1. Re:Closed how? "Wontfix?" by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Hey, that's my bug fixing strategy at work!

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    2. Re:Closed how? "Wontfix?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Who says they even need to claim that so-and-so change fixed it? One time when I looked around Launchpad, a common way I was seeing issues getting closed was someone coming several months later and being like "this was reported for 12.10, can you reproduce it in 13.04?" and then closing it as incomplete when the user who has probably switched to a similar package or another distro at that point no longer cares.

    3. Re:Closed how? "Wontfix?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly Ubuntu has taken the lead over Microsoft in marketshare. It is truly the year of Linux on the desktop.

    4. Re:Closed how? "Wontfix?" by moderators_are_w*nke · · Score: 1

      Yep, for me the worst example is akonadi, which is enormously complex, and crashes every now and then in strange and different and difficult to track down ways on pretty much every system I've used it on. I have a fair amount of sympathy with them because I'm not sure how these kind of bugs would ever get fixed. Unless of course the person reporting them likely being the only one who can reproduce due to the cause being some obscure spam in their gmail goes digging and fixes it themselves.

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    5. Re:Closed how? "Wontfix?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Akonadi is broken by design, they deserve no sympathy for making such stupid trash that will never ever be stable.

    6. Re:Closed how? "Wontfix?" by Kjella · · Score: 3, Informative

      Who says they even need to claim that so-and-so change fixed it? One time when I looked around Launchpad, a common way I was seeing issues getting closed was someone coming several months later and being like "this was reported for 12.10, can you reproduce it in 13.04?" and then closing it as incomplete when the user who has probably switched to a similar package or another distro at that point no longer cares.

      WINE also does the same, if you want a bug to stay open you have to babysit it. But to be fair they're often dealing with closed source software that they might not have a copy of themselves.

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    7. Re:Closed how? "Wontfix?" by F.Ultra · · Score: 2

      Well if there where unlimited resources (developers and available hardware) then all reported bugs would probably be investigated with much greater care, but since that is not the case you have to understand that they have to prioritize.

      That said, I do find some maintainers to be somewhat lazy, I filed a bug report together with a patch that fixed the problem to Gnome once and it took three years for the maintainer there to accept the patch. But then another bug+patch that I filed for Gnome but for another subsystem was accepted within hours so it clearly depends on who is managing it.

    8. Re:Closed how? "Wontfix?" by pne · · Score: 1

      Who says they even need to claim that so-and-so change fixed it? One time when I looked around Launchpad, a common way I was seeing issues getting closed was someone coming several months later and being like "this was reported for 12.10, can you reproduce it in 13.04?" and then closing it as incomplete when the user who has probably switched to a similar package or another distro at that point no longer cares.

      JWZ on this: http://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html

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    9. Re:Closed how? "Wontfix?" by Animats · · Score: 1

      JWZ on this: "I'm so totally impressed at this Way New Development Paradigm. Let's call it the "Cascade of Attention-Deficit Teenagers" model, or "CADT" for short. "

      JWZ has given up fighting the "Cascade of Attention-Deficit Teenagers" model. Instead, he profits from it. He now runs an all-ages nightclub.

    10. Re:Closed how? "Wontfix?" by hobarrera · · Score: 1

      FYI, this isn't just specific to open source software, belive me, I pulled this off dozens of times developing closed software!

  38. Re:Microsoft has a majority market share by msobkow · · Score: 2

    I believe it's spelled "doofie". :P

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  39. the 80s are back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Microsoft + IBM and then cheap Compaq clones were a natural reaction to the closed nature of the computer market pushed by the likes of Apple in the 80s. The closed software was a problem of the PC, with the expectation that it would be replaced with either Linux or some other laxly licensed, source and support available OS.

    And now we're supposed to celebrate we're back in the 80, only that instead of Amstad, Amiga, Apple, IBM, Sinclair, Attari, ... etc. all we have now is Google and Apple.

    1. Re:the 80s are back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must live in some sort of alternate reality fantasy world. Apple provided schematics and ROM listings. Compaq had to clean room reverse engineer the IBM BIOS.

    2. Re:the 80s are back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Apple II ROM listings are irrelevant since it was still copyrighted. Companies in the 80s, including IBM and Apple, were highly aggressive against clones and litigated against them, the Microsoft business model of selling just the OS was not yet proven. Both the Macintosh and the PC had closed BIOSes, with the difference that the Mac had a much larger and complex BIOS with allot of functionality that was very hard to duplicate. The simple IBM BIOS could be clean roomed easily and legally and this is one of the key causes that they called it the "PC revolution" as opposed to the "MAC revolution": Apple managed to control it's ecosystem while IBM failed.

      In 1995, Apple realized it's mistake and tried to license it's design and software to clone vendors but it was too late, Wintel had won. Jobs called it an "institutional guilt" (that Apple could have been in Microsoft's place) and closed the clone program to focus on Apple hardware.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_clone

    3. Re:the 80s are back by afgam28 · · Score: 1

      From what I remember of the 80s, Amstad, Amiga, Sinclar, Atari were tiny players in the PC market that didn't amount to much. Kind of like where Windows, Blackberry, Firefox OS, Ubuntu Touch are now on phones.

      http://arstechnica.com/features/2005/12/total-share/4/
      http://arstechnica.com/features/2005/12/total-share/5/
      http://arstechnica.com/features/2005/12/total-share/6/

      I don't think that phones now are any worse compared to PCs in the 80s. In fact it's better because both of the major OSes use a significant amount of free software.

    4. Re:the 80s are back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple doesn't make hardware you dipshit.

      They are nothing more than an OEM with their own OS.

  40. Re:Microsoft has a majority market share by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And this is exactly why they felt it was time to close that 'bug'.

    Microsoft's control has been falling in part to households like yours. But look back to 2004 when that 'bug' was put in place, your device count would be lower and Microsoft likely had a larger percentage of the total share.

    There are more devices in the household now running a wider variety of operating systems, Microsoft is no longer dominate in the typical house and plays a smaller part overall.

    Not at my house. Microsoft has never had a majority share at my house.

  41. Re:Microsoft has a majority market share by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    An apple is red and a rose is red, then an apple must be a rose.

  42. Re:Moving the Goal Posts. by SJHillman · · Score: 1

    To be fair, many people use a phone or tablet as their primary computing device in 2013, which wasn't the case in 2004. So if he's moving the goal posts, it's only to put them in a more relevant place. Also, I have seen very few tables running Linux, most tables are just solid wood or metal.

  43. Re:Microsoft has a majority market share by smooth+wombat · · Score: 0, Troll

    The best part is that this is all for one person living alone. :)

    No, it's either sad or pathetic (depending on ones point of view) that one person should be so tethered to technology rather than reality.

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  44. Ubuntu has always been about hype by TheDarkener · · Score: 2

    I cannot disagree that Ubuntu (and Canonical) have done a good (no, great) job at bringing Linux more into peoples' hearts and minds. To say that Ubuntu is a poster-boy distro, however, would be a crime. Ubuntu stood on the shoulders of Debian to gain its traction, but past the initial push of getting better hardware/driver support, it seems like the roadmap of Ubuntu has been about as scattered as darts thrown by a drunken barfly. A bunch of ambitious "tries" at different angles, with very little attention to actually fixing bugs to maintain their stability/usability ("Won't fix" as new release is out, LTS: Long-term-suffering, ...). I really, really tried loving Ubuntu for the long term, even bet my biggest contract on them to bring LTSP to schools (one of their ambitious "tries" back in the day) but their coordination with outside OSS projects and communities were disappointing to me.

    I'm not trying to bash Ubuntu, like I said they have done a lot of good. But I'm typing this on my Debian workstation, which I left to go to Ubuntu for a number of years, and now I'm back. And I couldn't be happier, because I haven't had such a stable system in years =) None the less, congrats on fixing the infamous bug #1 I guess. It is a very sentimental thing, I'm sure.

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    1. Re:Ubuntu has always been about hype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, I'll bite on that troll hook you're tossing out there. I haven't played with Debian in a long time. But I do remember a time of downloading 5 floppies, writing my own start and stop scripts for dial up access, and tweaking with xconfig to get a desktop environment. Debian has not always been the epitome of easy. dpkg took forever to sift through and find what you wanted. The last time I installled it the platform did seem very stable, but no more so than ubuntu. What are you working with that has so many problems? And how has debian mitigated those problems when they move at the speed of drying paint? You don't have to run LTS. You can run the latest beta if you want, and if you think a bug is an issue there's nothing stopping you from digging into it and finding a fix. I'm not a big fan of the new desktop environment, but it easy enough to turn that off and use a different wm.

  45. Re:Microsoft has a majority market share by Bearhouse · · Score: 2

    Not in my house it doesn't.

    1 Win 7 laptop

    1 MacBook Pro

    1 Chrome Book

    3 Raspberry PIs running Raspbian

    1 Android tablet

    1 Android phone

    1 blackberry playbook

    1 Apple TV

    Looks like Linux wins, with Android a close second.

    The best part is that this is all for one person living alone. :)

    Perhaps I'm reading this wrong, but it seems that they're saying that in 2004, MS had a majority, but this is now changing and thus the bug can be closed. With your enumeration you simply give anecdotal evidence to this.

    "living alone"

    Perhaps I'm reading this wrong, but massive geek points aside, sounds like OP needs to get out of the basement more...

  46. 6% to go by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

    according to Wikimedia. I agree with the trend sentiment, but they still have a majority.

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  47. A slight problem with bufix by WaffleMonster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "enables malicious anti-features such as DRM, surveillance, and other monopolistic practices."

    Apparently so does ubuntu's integrated search by default.

    1. Re:A slight problem with bufix by kermidge · · Score: 1

      Yes, and the latter is easily turned off, the others, no. Not that I care much for opt-out defaults.

    2. Re:A slight problem with bufix by hobarrera · · Score: 1

      And steam, which is offered in the Ubuntu Software Centre.

  48. Re:Microsoft has a majority market share by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

    An apple is red and a rose is red, then an apple must be a rose.

    roses have thorns blackberries have thorns :. apples are blackberries

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  49. Re:Ubuntu? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When the hell was Jobs ever cool or smart?

  50. Re:Microsoft has a majority market share by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 2

    And you are a judgmental asshole!
    I have many interests outside technology. Technology is certainly high up on the list, but I am also a singer, outdoors man, woodworker, mechanic, pet owner, motorcycle rider, Jeep enthusiast, and too many other things to even mention. I even have a lovely girlfriend.
    My interest in technology has provided me with quite a good living these past 30 years or so. As well as enough disposable income to afford plenty of toys.

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  51. a fix was actually released for this.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    by microsoft of all people.....

    called windows 8.

  52. WONTFIX: Works on my machine by moderators_are_w*nke · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not sure why this wasn't closed ages ago.

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  53. Re:Ubuntu? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I suspect he made way more money (demonstrating "smart") and had way more religious followers (demonstrating "cool") than you.

  54. LAME by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...

  55. Microsoft has a majority market share by Culture20 · · Score: 1

    Closed; won't fix; can't reproduce.

  56. Re:Microsoft has a majority market share by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The dictionary lists "doofuses" as the correct pluralization, but notes that "dufoeds" is correct, but pedantic.

  57. Re:Microsoft has a majority market share by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Logic fail: saying X has the same property as Y, is different from saying an X is a Y.

  58. Re:Microsoft has a majority market share by GNious · · Score: 1

    Couldn't find "+1 Nerd" in moderation-options.

  59. Re:Microsoft has a majority market share by PessimysticRaven · · Score: 1

    An apple is red and a rose is red, then an apple must be a rose.

    roses have thorns blackberries have thorns :. apples are blackberries

    No, because Apples are bought. Few people actually buy a Blackberry.
    /troll
    /flameshield

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  60. Re:Microsoft has a majority market share by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, apples and roses are of the same family (Rosaceae).

  61. Re:6% to go by steelfood · · Score: 1

    6% to dip under 50%, but they'll still have the largest piece of the pie over all the other players individually (even if you group them into corporations instead of OS), and thus will continue to have market dominance for some time yet.

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  62. Re:Microsoft has a majority market share by gstoddart · · Score: 0

    Doofum? Doofem? Doofuses? Doofen? Dooferati? Dooflings? Doofers?

    Are there even proper rules in English to pluralize these kinds of things with made up words? It's not like you can just decide to apply the Latin rules and be done with it.

    How can I be grammatically correct when referring to more than one doofus?

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  63. Re:Ubuntu? by Nerdfest · · Score: 4, Insightful

    More money follows 'more evil' more frequently than it follows "smarter". Adolph Hitler had plenty of followers as well if you're looking to get this thread appropriately Godwin'd. Mr. Jobs was a marketing genius and general douche-bag. I don't think Mr. Shuttleworth's greed is at nearly the same level if it exists at all. He may want to be famous, but what he wants to be famous for seems a little more altruistic. I've questioned that a bit lately, but I think it mostly still applies.

  64. Re:Microsoft has a majority market share by hawkinspeter · · Score: 1

    Maybe it's like cactus: Doofi.

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  65. Re:Microsoft has a majority market share by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Both of you are doofi.

    You wouldn't BELIEVE size of the Beowulf cluster of Doofi Boxen I have in my parents basement!

  66. Re:Moving the Goal Posts. by jones_supa · · Score: 1

    Also, I have seen very few tables running Linux, most tables are just solid wood or metal.

    Linux should be ported to tables as soon as possible, the installation base is huge. You will get the gamers interested too, as so many games are played on table platforms.

  67. Re: Ubuntu? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mark Shuttleworth is a tool and I would put him on the same level as Balmer.

  68. Re:Microsoft has a majority market share by gstoddart · · Score: 1

    GP had already suggested that, and that's just back to the Latin rules, which, as I said, may or may not apply.

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  69. Re:Microsoft has a majority market share by interval1066 · · Score: 1

    If some one chimes in with "there is no such thing as doofii" I'm going postal.

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  70. Re:Microsoft has a majority market share by gl4ss · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The ratio of 650 Windows 7 boxes plus 75 Windows 2008 R2 boxes at work to 3 Unix machines tends to swing the balance in favour of Windows where I am.

    well.. only if people had the bright idea of redefining smartphones as pc's earlier!

    Then shuttleworth could have just skipped the whole fucking ubuntu. because in 2004 if you counted java running phones as computers then ms wouldn't have had the majority share to begin with.

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  71. Re:Microsoft has a majority market share by Cid+Highwind · · Score: 2

    It looked about the same in 2004 when Ubuntu bug #1 was filed.

    We just didn't think that Palm and un-upgradable proprietary cell phone OSes were competing against Windows, where now we think that iOS and Android (and maybe Ubuntu for tablets) are. It's a change of perception, not numbers.

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  72. Re:Microsoft has a majority market share by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "there is no such thing as doofii" ;-)

  73. Re:6% to go by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    Agreed, they should update the bug title to say 'plurality'. :)

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  74. Funny by zmooc · · Score: 1

    I have three reasons for reading/posting this. The first is that eog is broken since I recently upgraded Ubuntu; I should be wading through thousands of pictures right now, but can't. The other is that I cannot switch virtual desktops anymore since the upgrade so I'm stuck on this one.

    I've been using Ubuntu for years on multiple boxes and I've never experienced an upgrade that did not totally kill my tediously constructed desktop configuration and a handful of applications I Just Need.

    Which brings me to the third and final reason for being here: I'm too lazy to get up and fetch the Debian netinstall disk. I'd rather see Ubuntu disappear entirely so I won't be tempted to make the mistake of installing it ever again.

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  75. Re:Microsoft has a majority market share by SteveFoerster · · Score: 0

    It's not like you can just decide to apply the Latin rules and be done with it.

    So, what you're saying is "Grammatik macht frei"?

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  76. Re:Microsoft has a majority market share by SilentStaid · · Score: 1

    That's a great point. There were always other options, just we never considered them competitors so they weren't counted. Frankly, I would still define a computer as something that sits on or under my desk because that's what I grew up with so I would never consider my Galaxy's Android OS among my most used OSes.

    What I would really like to see is a OS usage on a per hour basis. I bet we would see Windows (due to being used for business and on most home pcs) pull even farther ahead, simply because there's no way I'm on my phone or my iPad as much as my work laptop.

  77. Re:Microsoft has a majority market share by JustOK · · Score: 1

    doofii, nuke'em forever

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  78. Re:Ubuntu? by vikingpower · · Score: 1

    Ubuntu is the stuff you discover under your shoe when someone in the room says "It smells strange in here".

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  79. Re:Ubuntu? by N0Man74 · · Score: 2

    Ubuntu? Could the editors at least provide a link or a short explanation in the summary about what exactly "Ubuntu" is? I've never heard of it, and I think many others here haven't either.

    Also, what's a Microsoft?

  80. Mark Shuttleworth here by vikingpower · · Score: 2

    Sorry. Just got hired by Microsoft. They pay well. Please disregard all my previous writings.

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    1. Re:Mark Shuttleworth here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry. Just had sex with a Microsoft honeypie. They feel good. Please disregard all my previous writings.

      PS. I blew my load! hahahahahaaaah!

  81. Re:Microsoft has a majority market share by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so what you're saying then is that you're an idiot and buy technology products out of wanting to own them rather than actually having a need for them, and money means nothing to you?

  82. Bug #0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Freetards are neckbeard losers that are butthurt because Linux is still years behind Microsoft and Apple.

  83. Re:Microsoft has a majority market share by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because the technology available in Palm OS devices and cell phones actually *wasn't* capable of competing with desktop and laptop computers in any but a *very* narrow set of use cases where "able to be held in one hand" was a primary operating factor. These days, smartphones & tables are an order of magnitude more powerful than the desktop PCs of 2004 were, and are available with storage that is significantly larger than those same PCs had.

    Smartphones grew into a position where, if you wanted to, you could actually do most of your work on them. (In some cases it may require plugging it into a larger, external display, and using an external keyboard for optimal use, but it's still possible in a way that it wasn't back in 2004.)

    Personally, I await the day, not so far into the future, when we'll see a standardized 'dock' that we plug our phones into and use them for *all* the same tasks we use desktops and laptops for today.

  84. Re:Microsoft has a majority market share by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, no, no. Your grammar is all wrong! It should be, "There are no such things as doofii," or "There is no such thing as a doofus."

  85. Re:Microsoft has a majority market share by careysub · · Score: 1

    As it happens, apples are roses: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosaceae

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  86. Re:Ubuntu? by zenith1111 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Pastafarianism?

  87. Re:Microsoft has a majority market share by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    M vote goes to Dooferati!

    Dooferati for President, Yay (maybe too much brandy again?)

  88. Re:Ubuntu? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think you're confusing Canonical with their product...

  89. Ubuntu's #1 bug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    not fixed...Ubuntu still exists!!!

  90. Re:Microsoft has a majority market share by SteveFoerster · · Score: 1

    Troll? Troll?!

    [robot voice] "I am a moderator. I am hypersentitive and humorless...." [/robot voice]

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  91. Re:6% to go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's not exactly a scientific measurement of what this bug was talking about. It only gauges the OSes of people who visit their websites.
    Scenario:
    If I need an answer to something and I'm playing a game at my Windows 7 PC, am I going to pick-up one of the 5 android devices in my house to figure it out, or am I going to Alt+Tab to Wiki it? Let's say I Alt+Tab it... I registered as a Windows OS on their crawler, and chocked one tick up for Microsoft. What about the 5 ticks for Android that I also own?
    You see why this data is fairly irrelevant?

    It simply says how people access their website, not what OSes are in every home, let alone what OSes are for sale on the devices when you walk into an electronics store.

  92. Re:Ubuntu? by lgw · · Score: 1

    There are very few examples of anyone making money merely be being evil. Hitler mostly spent his nation's money to buy political support in the early years.

    Smart and evil may outdo Smart and good (though not in the long run, IMO), but stupid very rarely prospers.

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  93. That's one down by ozduo · · Score: 0

    and only 4,6789,050 bugs left to go.

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  94. Re:Microsoft has a majority market share by marcello_dl · · Score: 1

    > No, it's either sad or pathetic (depending on ones point of view) that one person should be so tethered to technology rather than reality.

    Sure but it's quite myopic that you look at that one person and forget the masses so tethered to far more fascist things like mainstream TV, cinema, magazines and books, music... Media and arts have always been versatile vehicles of propaganda and I have no evidence of the huge paradigm shift in society that made that documented trend disappear.

    I don't defend the buying choices of the multiplatform guy, I have issues with your dualism technology/reality.

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  95. Pack it up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well looks like all that remains is for Katherine Noyes to hold a megaphone up to hairyfeet's mouth while she jumps him.

  96. Re:Ubuntu? by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

    There are very few examples of anyone making money merely be being evil.

    Oracle?

  97. Re:Microsoft has a majority market share by smash · · Score: 1

    Well yes.... but we're talking about number of machines, not workload :D

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  98. Re:Microsoft has a majority market share by smash · · Score: 1

    Sure. I wasn't counting appliances to make the numbers look good though. iPhones, Androids, Winmobile, etc are appliances like your refrigerator. It's not *really* relevant to the end user what they run, so long as they work. They're also all mostly closed/locked devices (yes, you can root them - you can root a PS3 too, doesn't make it an open platform either).

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  99. Re:Microsoft has a majority market share by smash · · Score: 1

    Hmm... jury out on that one. I think you'd be surprised at the amount of time people spend on their phones and tablets - in transit on the bus/train, while driving their car (#^@@*&*!!), in the movie theatre, at the bar, at home on the couch, in bed before going to sleep, first thing in the morning when they wake up, whilst eating breakfast getting ready for work, etc, etc.

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  100. Re:Microsoft has a majority market share by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your mom's house, then.

  101. Re:Let me be the First by davester666 · · Score: 2

    Yes, the bug was marked "Closed->DFU Error, works as expected"

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  102. Re:Microsoft has a majority market share by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    well.. only if people had the bright idea of redefining smartphones as pc's earlier!

    Then shuttleworth could have just skipped the whole fucking ubuntu. because in 2004 if you counted java running phones as computers then ms wouldn't have had the majority share to begin with.

    JavaME hardly counts. It's difficult to develop and distribute JavaME applications, and it's limiting to build a phone with JavaME.

  103. Re:Ubuntu? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

    Are you really this dumb?

    If you live in an Islamic country in the middle east, it's "cool" to be a Muslim. Anyone who isn't is not "cool", they're considered a freak.

    If you live in someplace like Nebraska, USA, it's "cool" to be a fundamentalist Christian, since almost everyone else there is too. Anyone who isn't some kind of Christian is not considered "cool", they're a freak.

    Maybe in your little social circle, religious followers are considered morons, but in many parts of the world, this is obviously not the case, as seen by the high numbers of adherents.

  104. Re:Microsoft has a majority market share by mcgrew · · Score: 1

    Perhaps I'm reading this wrong, but massive geek points aside, sounds like OP needs to get out of the basement more...

    That sounds a little like me, Win 7 laptop that will have Linux when I can clear enough space on its hard drive, a tower running kubuntu and an XP box I only use for storage. I have no idea what OS that old Motorola phone is running.

    But I get out of the house. I have to work every day and I usually work on Nobots at the bar (if you haven't read the online draft, don't. It will only be a spoiler).

    But the OP was probably right, there are probably a lot more phones and tablets than PCs these days, and almost all of them are Apple or Android.

  105. Re:Microsoft has a majority market share by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

    I disagree. He has more devices, so he can do more things (watch Apple TV instead of cable or OTA TV, for instance), but all the devices running Free software are doing different tasks than the tasks he uses the laptops (Win7 and Mac, both proprietary) for. In 2004, he likely had one or two laptops (WinXP and maybe Mac), now he has two laptops, again both with proprietary OSes. Nothing's changed, except he has some extra toys/gadgets running Linux.

  106. Late to the party here... by Desirsar · · Score: 1

    For all devices running Windows or anything else...

    If we're going to count them, I need to see how to get to a command prompt. If I can't, it doesn't matter if it's Windows, Linux, or the fictional OS on hacker and government computers in TV and movies.

    If that definition doesn't work for you, here's a better one - if I can't *change* which OS the device runs, never mind choose from any, we shouldn't be counting it. Java may be in your ATMs, gas pumps, toaster, and battery operated vibrators, but it doesn't matter if someone outside of the device has to tell you this, and the same goes for the OS.

  107. Bug 1.1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bug 1.1- Apple has a majority market share

  108. Re:Ubuntu? by lgw · · Score: 1

    Nah, I think evil is just a side-effect there. CA used evil as their explicit business strategy, but as it turned out they were mildly successful at best and the CEO ended up in prison. Enron was at worst amoral, and was more successful at their peak, but again eventually prison or suicide for several senior folks. Really, a strategy that leads to prison or suicide can't be considered all that good.

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  109. I don't care who hates Microsoft by bbsalem · · Score: 1

    I worked for a company, that is no more, whose CEO spent lots of time bashing Microsoft. Had he spent more time giving this company the focus it needed, it might still be with us. The same could be true of Canonical, whose mishandling of the Unity/Gnome 3, and even the possibility that they might not support xOrg in the future; has hurt Linux. They should pay attention to focus, and the benefit to the Linux community.

    Fat egos are the source of this problem, not giving users a choice. We could do more about Microsoft if the government and legal system worked and said that the OEM arrangement that lets Microsoft bundle its OS with most of the desktops sold in the world, is a unfair advantage that should not be allowed.

    If you could buy a PC with a choice of OS or no OS, the market share problem would be solved. Linux, and Free BSD are mature enough to take a much larger share than they have now. Or we can hope that Microsoft has already lost the battle as it stumbles getting on the tablet and mobile platforms which are displacing desktops. On servers *NIX has a much more competitive share.

    I would change Linux. I would make it filesystem agnostic, including installing in NTFS, without needing to partition the drive. I would allow for distros to be run out of any image or directory structure, including swapon files, and remove the whole partitioning issue. This is already done. Either there is no reason to partition, or to partition so any Liniux can install on single large filesystem of a type supported by all releases. This is also done, as it is the basis for virtualization. Why even virtualize? Why not run another Linux from the same device?

  110. Re:Microsoft has a majority market share by hobarrera · · Score: 1

    400 Androids (seems high... might be less in the US, I was lazy)
    130 iPhones running iOS

    So the Android version on those phones and iOS are free software? :)