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Chicago Sun Times Swaps iPhone Training For Staff Photographers

frdmfghtr notes (via Cult of Mac) that "the reporters of the Chicago Sun-Times are being given training in iPhone photography, to make up for the firing of the photography staff. From the CoM story: 'The move is part of a growing trend towards publications using the iPhone as a replacement for fancy, expensive DSLRs. It's a also a sign of how traditional journalism is being changed by technology like the iPhone and the advent of digital publishing.'"

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  1. Grammer perhaps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Maybe they should train them to use spell and grammer checkers since many articles and even headlines have errors that seem to be due to cut n' paste operations which result in incorrect tenses.

    1. Re:Grammer perhaps? by JustOK · · Score: 1

      auto-correct will take care of that

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    2. Re:Grammer perhaps? by hedleyroos · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "Grammer". You're one to complain.

    3. Re:Grammer perhaps? by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 1

      Oh, if only you'd of said "your one to complain".

    4. Re:Grammer perhaps? by monkeyhybrid · · Score: 1

      woosh!

    5. Re:Grammer perhaps? by Ignacio · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Have", not "of".

    6. Re: Grammer perhaps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can has cheezburger?

    7. Re:Grammer perhaps? by GarethIwanFairclough · · Score: 0

      So is Kelsey!

    8. Re:Grammer perhaps? by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 1

      Whoosh.

    9. Re:Grammer perhaps? by zidium · · Score: 0

      In Texas, at least, "you'd of" is 100% acceptable as part of our English lexicon. It is a double contraction of "you would have".

      Our other lexicon additions include the contraction "Y'all" ("you all") and "ogravy" for "Oh my gravy!", albeit I only hear the last one said by the ol' timers.

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    10. Re:Grammer perhaps? by JustOK · · Score: 1

      [edit]whooooooosh[/edit]

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    11. Re:Grammer perhaps? by julesh · · Score: 1

      Perhaps that's how you pronounce it. It's spelled "you'd've", however.

      (And it isn't confined to Texas... I've heard it used quite frequently in the UK.)

    12. Re:Grammer perhaps? by Ignacio · · Score: 0

      You know what's awesome? I don't care. That's awesome.

    13. Re:Grammer perhaps? by craigminah · · Score: 2, Insightful

      One of my favorite quotes is from Chief Wiggins' son on The Simpsons, "Me not know English, that's unpossible!"

      So sad it's fitting for the print media. They can have their reporters take photos but they are losing a lot in terms of composition and quality. Anyone can take photos, but not everyone can take good photos.

    14. Re: Grammer perhaps? by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "I can has cheezburger?"

      We know you're a dog.

    15. Re:Grammer perhaps? by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 1

      You cared enough to try to correct me.

    16. Re:Grammer perhaps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm sorry, sir, but I am afraid I must revoke your geek card. It's "me fail English? That's unpossible!"

    17. Re:Grammer perhaps? by ubrgeek · · Score: 1

      Is that the sound the asteroid made? :)

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    18. Re:Grammer perhaps? by hedwards · · Score: 2

      Yep, that's wide spread enough that it's effectively correct. And since it's a contraction of you would have, the correct spelling is you'd've. guess that makes it a compound contraction.

    19. Re:Grammer perhaps? by syntheticmemory · · Score: 1

      The editors probably were dumped in a previous staff firing.

    20. Re:Grammer perhaps? by amiga3D · · Score: 3, Funny

      No woooosh in space.

    21. Re:Grammer perhaps? by Mr+Foobar · · Score: 1

      it's a contraction of you would have, the correct spelling is you'd've.

      Just don't try pronouncing all those letters in Texas English. It comes out sounding a lot like "yoow-da".

      Actually trying to say "yoo-d'uv" makes my tongue all tied up.

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    22. Re:Grammer perhaps? by gandhi_2 · · Score: 1

      In space, no one can hear you Whoosh.

    23. Re:Grammer perhaps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You rwo wanna fuck now and get it over, plz?

    24. Re:Grammer perhaps? by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 1

      Yep, it's a rare multiple contraction. My favorite it fo'c's'le - the forecastle of a ship.

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    25. Re: Grammer perhaps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wash!

    26. Re:Grammer perhaps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that "of" is not "have", fuckwit.

    27. Re:Grammer perhaps? by Fieryphoenix · · Score: 1

      " 've" actually. You'd've said. Oh wait, we can't have written double contractions? Such a shame, since they actually exist in speech.

    28. Re:Grammer perhaps? by flargleblarg · · Score: 1

      Sometimes (but not always) a bad photo is better than no photo.

    29. Re:Grammer perhaps? by flargleblarg · · Score: 1

      In space, no one can hear you Whoosh.

      In Soviet Russia, space wooshes you!

    30. Re:Grammer perhaps? by RulerOf · · Score: 1

      Usually, but this was the Abrams 4201 asteroid.

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    31. Re: Grammer perhaps? by raceface · · Score: 1

      This photo of Conrad black is a great example of a bad photo better than none. This photo also won an award. http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/media/story/2008/04/20/photojournalists-awards.html

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    32. Re:Grammer perhaps? by craigminah · · Score: 1

      So the future of print media is bad photos, horrible grammar, and misspellings. If they didn't already have problem they soon will. Better to have a quality antiquated product (e.g. newspaper) than an error-filled inferior antiquated product. Maybe this is a newspaper company suicide attempt.

    33. Re:Grammer perhaps? by tsa · · Score: 1

      In space, no one can hear you whoosh.

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    34. Re: Grammer perhaps? by orangebox · · Score: 1

      You should follow your own advice. Grammar is the word you're looking for, not grammer.

    35. Re:Grammer perhaps? by craigminah · · Score: 1

      "...I see your Schwartz is as big as mine."

      Here's the YouTube clip, thanks for correcting me...love that line: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iSD9lPVY6Q

    36. Re: Grammer perhaps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Grammar

      Ftfy

  2. Why the iPhone of all thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    It takes horrible pictures.
    At least use the Samsung Galaxy Camera GC100 or something similar.

    1. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why an iPhone? Why any phone? Why you remove progressional photographers from the equation you'll get amateur quality photography. Next they'll be teaching them how to use photoshop to fix their crap pictures (or even assemble them from stock photos so they don't need to be bothered going out at all).

    2. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When you remove professional photographers from the equation you'll get amateur quality photography.

      When you remove subscription paying readers from the equation, you get less money to pay professional photographers.

    3. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by lxs · · Score: 5, Interesting

      And then you lose one more reason for people to subscribe. I think that is the definition of a death spiral.

    4. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "Why an iPhone? Why any phone? Why you remove progressional photographers from the equation you'll get amate"

      The remaining Chicago Sun Time readers are all over 70, they won't notice the lack of any progressive photographs.

    5. Re:Why the iPhone of all thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It takes horrible pictures.
      At least use the Samsung Galaxy Camera GC100 or something similar.

      That's akin to shifting the argument to asking which is the best-smelling pile of shit you can hold in your hand, instead of the more correct response, which is to tell the Chicago Sun Times to use real cameras instead. Sure, the iPhone's pictures might be horrible, but that's not the point.

      Of course, given the limitations of newsprint (re: grainy paper) and the low-quality printing methods employed to keep costs down, there's always the possibility nobody will notice. No, not just because nobody's reading print media anymore, but also because high-quality cameras are a waste when you're going to paper like that.

    6. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by tysonedwards · · Score: 1

      Either that or the gigantic push for immediacy has been hurting the newspaper industry for some time, and relying in a professional photographer fighting through crowds with an SLR, only to then pull the memory card, put it in a laptop, find the right pictures and then upload them along to the office for processing, cropping and adding to an article takes far longer than "click, and it's already waiting on your computer" that you get from both iOS and Android anymore.

      Print journalism is turning into a blog.

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    7. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by tim_uk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's an elitist view. There is no need for any sort of special professional to press a button on a handled camera device, DSLR or not.

      The photographs involved needn't be art, it's for a disposable newspaper.

      You win the "complete jackass" comment award. Press photographers don't make "art". They record history. Do some research. Fucking idiot.

    8. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by Cidtek · · Score: 1

      Wifi enabled SD cards in cameras are available to solve that problem. They can still use their phone to upload the picture.

    9. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by greenbird · · Score: 1

      When you remove subscription paying readers from the equation

      When you remove actual investigative reporting of real news from the equation...

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    10. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's an elitist view.
      There is no need for any sort of special professional to press a button on a handled camera device, DSLR or not.

      It doesn't take any special skill to pull a trigger either. The skill is in identifying what to shoot and in aiming.

    11. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's like a billion ways of transferring the files immediate.

      I know at least one company that can autotransmit to a plugged in laptop via wifi / SD, or as mentioned, a wifi enabled SD card. I know of a handful of cameras that allow you to immediately upload to cloud services.

    12. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by hedwards · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The reason to get a real camera is that you can get photos in conditions where a phone won't. Also, they last for years and are far less likely to be damaged in the field. I've got a Canon 7D and even with something like an F2.8 28-75, that cost me $400 a decade ago, it still whips the crap out of what you'd get with a phone. In total that would be a $1500 or so set up. Which would likely last many, many years.

      As for professional photographers, you get what you paid for. Ultimately, you need somebody else to do the photography, because you can't interview and take photos of whatever happens at the same time. And a professional is much more likely to get the photos that are needed quickly, rather than futzing around trying to figure out how to best capture the scene.

      All this BS about how expensive photographers are, is generally by people who have no idea how much it costs to find that you've been at the scene and don't have any usable shots. Might as well outsource the journalists as well and just collate tweets while we're at it..

    13. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by hedwards · · Score: 2

      Photojournalism generally requires a degree for a reason. You can't just take photos from every Tom, Dick and Harry that has them, you don't know that they're an accurate portrayal of the situation. Sure, they might be, but whether they're edited or not, it's easy to get photos that are unintentionally biased, or fail to capture the event as it's happening.

      These are not fine art photos, these are documentary photos, and just because they don't need to be art, doesn't mean that there isn't any need for technical proficiency or knowledge of the situation. It can take a very long time to learn how to properly anticipate the action and get the photo at the right time.

      BTW: I'm not a photojournalist, I'm just a more ordinary art photographer, but this is just such blatant horse shit that I had to reply.

    14. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by loufoque · · Score: 0

      It's not designed for history bookkeeping, it's designed for consumerism.

    15. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by amiga3D · · Score: 5, Funny

      They should have let the reporters go and kept the photographers. The quality of the reporting would probably have stayed about the same.

    16. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by flayzernax · · Score: 1

      Just wait till people stop reading the news and it becomes tumblr.com/~fox

      Than they can just reblog official state endorsed photos of everything! Maybe our tax money can go to even paying for the right to view them!

    17. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by FuzzNugget · · Score: 1

      Right, so the obvious solution is to ... lower your quality, attracting even fewer subscribers. Great plan!

    18. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm sure there are more complete jackassesses commenting in this thread, but for now you're probably right. The thing is, "elitist" these days means "anybody who thinks that people in a profession which requires training just might know more about it than some PHB wanting to cut costs". That goes double if the target person or profession is either liberal or has a habit of pointing out the activities of the wealthy and the sleazy in an unfavorable light. Journalists tend to do that after all, and "liberal" in America these days means "anything to the left of Ayn Rand". Liberalism isn't a strict requirement of elitism though--anybody the cheerleaders for the power structure or the kind of disruptive change that puts humans out of work don't like will do.

      So basically "elitist" means "anybody who thinks what they do is a profession and who wants to make more than minimum wage, which should be eliminated anyway because it's a socialist communist plot (of unspecified intent).".

    19. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by loufoque · · Score: 1

      So photographers have degrees to prove that they're ethical?
      Thank you, you just made my day.

    20. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by NIK282000 · · Score: 0

      The average news reader couldn't tell an iPhone photo from one taken with a full frame camera and 1000$ glass. Photography has nothing to do with what passes for journalism now a days, its all about getting a quick vertical video of what's going on and following up with "tell us what you think on twitter, facebook, [any/all social media]." Most "news" other than weather and traffic has been turned into a string of opinion pieces anyway, then they dont have to use facts in their stories that way, it's a real time saver.

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    21. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by stenvar · · Score: 1

      Why you remove progressional photographers from the equation you'll get amateur quality photography

      Professional press photographers seem to be competing about how much they can manipulate readers emotionally and push an agenda. A little less "professionalism" seems like a positive change.

    22. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the increasingly illegal alien population only bolsters the fact that the american public will consume garbage at any level.
      If i see one more self portrait of some dope in a mirror on facebook, i am going to gag!

    23. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      now we can look forward to self portraits taken in a mirror a la fb.
      you fucking idiot. you wouldn't know a godd picture from a turd.

    24. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by hjf · · Score: 1

      hahah ~username? that's so 90s, brah. if any, it would be fox.tumblr.com
      but for a dose of reality, Diario Clarín here in Argentina does exactly that: http://clarincomhd.tumblr.com/ except their photos are actually professional. post high quality photos on tumblr: not only trendy, you also save in bandwidth! It's tumblr's problem now!

    25. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And then you lose one more reason for people to subscribe. I think that is the definition of a death spiral.

      What would suggest they do instead? Go bankrupt? Fire the reporters and have the photographers write the stories? Most subscribers left before they made this change, so going back isn't going to reverse the readership decline. Sometime I take photos with my phone, other times I use a real camera. Is the difference noticeable? Sure. But not different enough to matter in a news story, and certainly not enough to make me buy a subscription. If sending only a reporter rather than reporter+photographer allows them to cut their costs in half, then they can cover more stories, which more likely to attract readers.

    26. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by rtfa-troll · · Score: 1

      Might as well outsource the journalists as well and just collate tweets while we're at it..

      I think you have misunderstood the situation completely. That has already been done. The plan now applies to all the Snookie Kardasian surprised coming out of the shower with Justin Beiber-Lopez stories. For those the use of a DSLR makes the whole thing look staged and will also breach the maximum resolution "privacy" agreements with the celebrities. That's why an iPhone is perfectly suited to this.

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    27. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, but unfortunately no one's come up with any other working model for major newspapers. Their only choices are which failing strategy to use before closing up shop or becoming something other than a newspaper (in terms of content, not just delivery model.)
       
      I don't read the newspaper usually, but it broke my heart a little the other day to see the major paper I grew up delivering had all of 22 car ads in their online version of classifieds. I bet some used craiglist, which is good, but I suspect a lot of the money that used to help fund news content is now going to sites that have no other purpose besides referred sales or ads.
       
      Good content is suffering some relative of the tragedy of the commons, in that everyone wants it but nobody's going to pay for it when they can get it for free... until eventually there's none to be had.

    28. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by flayzernax · · Score: 1

      That is cool =) And they are decent photos to boot. P.S. I can read a tiny bit of Spanish and the captions are informative.

    29. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not necessarily, but it gives some credibility and accountability. After all, you don't need a CS degree to be a web developer; business degree to be a manager or even operate your own business.

      Overall, a degree is there to prove that you're not a complete idiot who can finish something: college.

    30. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by FireFury03 · · Score: 1

      The average news reader couldn't tell an iPhone photo from one taken with a full frame camera and 1000$ glass.

      Last I checked you couldn't get massive zoom lenses for an iphone, which rather precludes doing "journalism" with them. (Where "journalism" == "publish nudie photos of $celebrity").

    31. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      How does one enable Wifi in a data storage card!?

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    32. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by mysidia · · Score: 1

      When you remove subscription paying readers from the equation, you get less money to pay professional photographers.

      Which is bullshit; when you consider, that at the same time you removed subscription paying readers from a local area where your paper is published: you now have the opportunity to appeal to Ad revenue generating readers from all over the world -- as long as your work is high quality, including visual appeal which means professional quality charts, graphical design, and photos.

    33. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Wifi enabled SD cards in cameras are available to solve that problem. They can still use their phone to upload the picture.

      Then you'll still need an open WiFi hot spot and a decent way to configure the SD for the WiFi.

      And its easier to teach a reporter to shoot and send photos with their iPhones than it would be to teach them (or pro-photographers) to do the above on the road every time they want to send a picture.

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    34. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by IndigoParadox · · Score: 3, Informative

      Eye-Fi is one manufacturer of the type of SD card the grandparent is talking about. Their cards in particular have a small amount of storage, a Wi-Fi radio, and a tiny client which automatically uploads pictures written to the storage via the SD interface to a designated server via a proprietary protocol apparently based on HTTP.

    35. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by nysus · · Score: 1

      You don't need a wifi hotspot at all. There are SD cards that transfer images directly to the phone instantly. The SD card has a wifi router built into it which the phone can use to transfer the images. Then you use the phone's data connection to upload the image.

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    36. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      That's an elitist view.
      There is no need for any sort of special professional to press a button on a handled camera device, DSLR or not.

      The photographs involved needn't be art, it's for a disposable newspaper.

      You win the "complete jackass" comment award. Press photographers don't make "art". They record history. Do some research. Fucking idiot.

      You don't need a $10k camera to "record history".

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    37. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by FuzzNugget · · Score: 1

      You're right, there is no skill in pressing a button. The skill is in knowing what do to before pressing the button.

      And despite the "best camera is the one you have with you" mantra, better tools always make a huge difference in the hands of a skilled craftsman.

    38. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Joe Rosenthal, February 23rd, 1945.

      You're an idiot.

    39. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by Woodmeister · · Score: 0

      Overall, a degree is there to prove that you're not a complete idiot who can finish something: college.

      Sorry, but I've met one too many Gender Studies graduates. College has become "grown-up daycare" for too many...

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    40. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by cheesybagel · · Score: 2

      Just hope the iPhone "photographers" aren't taking snaps indoors or at high speed targets. Or at far-away targets for that matter.

    41. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 2

      You don't need a $10k camera to "record history".

      History is often wet and muddy. Generally, more expensive DSLRs are more durable.

    42. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by afidel · · Score: 1

      Why store them on the phone at all? Use the phone as a hotspot (or use a mifi) and have the photos uploaded to the papers servers automatically.

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    43. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      They'll save money by sacking the reporters and training the remaining staff how to tweet.

    44. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by hedwards · · Score: 1

      No, but it's more likely that you've had exposure to journalistic ethics while in school, as well as studied what precisely does and does not constitute integrity.

      Just because you choose to be one of those that bashes colleges with no understanding of the situation, doesn't mean that there isn't anything important covered.

      Sure, you can take photos without the degree, you're just not likely to get hired in lieu of somebody that's actually studied the craft.

    45. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by loufoque · · Score: 1

      It's ok, there is no need for studies to know what's biased and what isn't.

    46. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder if i could get an internship while I work on my Masters in Instagram.

    47. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by femtobyte · · Score: 1

      What would suggest they do instead? Go bankrupt? Fire the reporters and have the photographers write the stories?

      Fire the short-sighted, moneygrubbing management, and let the professional reporters sink or swim on their own --- at least go down upholding some standard whose demise is lamentable. Unfortunately, this is rarely an option considered by short-sighted, moneygrubbing management.

    48. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you a fucking moron? Seriously, being unbiased is a lot harder than you seem to think. You can't just snap any old shot and call it unbiased. People typically have their own set of biases and assumptions which they bring to a given situation, if you're not thinking about it and you haven't studied it, then how do you account for it?

      Again, are you some sort of fucking moron?

    49. Re:Why the iPhone of all thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if they get iphone 5 all pictures comes with a purple haze

    50. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by chrismcb · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you are right... Anyone can press a button. But not everyone knows to keep their thumb away from the lens. To point the lens toward what you want to capture. When and when not to use a flash, or a myriad other things. But really, they don't really know what to capture.

    51. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by loufoque · · Score: 0

      Sounds like something you can learn in about five minutes.

    52. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by SenseiLeNoir · · Score: 1

      Don't get me wrong; I am a DSLR photographer (amateur not professional, its not my day job!).

      You are absolutely right about the technical quality of a DSLR, crisp clear photos when used with Primes. Nice fill in flashes. Filters. Large Sensors. nice DOF effects, etc.

      However, do not dismiss a cam phone. set up of a DSLR can take time. And it is bulky to carry. A phone is always there.

      Remember the biggest aspect of a great photo is actually being able to capture that moment, and sometimes its only with a phone. It doesn't matter how bad the quality is, or anything at that point, as long as you can sufficiently captured that moment.

      I think a lot of photographers (mainly amateur, who are just starting out with DSLR) have forgotten that.

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    53. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      This problem could have been avoided if media companies had invested in the future when they were making money. Now it is too little, too late and the money that was made has been squandered by the owners and middle managers.

    54. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      That is crazy impressive!

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    55. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by psevetson · · Score: 1

      ... at the same time you removed subscription paying readers from a local area where your paper is published: you now have the opportunity to appeal to Ad revenue generating readers from all over the world -- as long as your work is high quality, including visual appeal which means professional quality charts, graphical design, and photos.

      That turns out not to work as well as one could hope. Most news does not have high international appeal, unless you are in DC or on Wall Street. So you lose a _lot_ of local subscribers who paid real money, and you get back clickstream revenue, which is pretty universally a smaller quantity of money. Meanwhile, you still have a physical distribution network to maintain for your remaining subscribers. As someone noted higher in the stream, this becomes a death spiral.

    56. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by swalve · · Score: 1

      I don't know about anyone else, but a newspaper is the last place I turn to for quality photography. It is literally the cheapest possible printing method, on the cheapest possible paper.

    57. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by swalve · · Score: 1

      You still have to wait for the newspapers to be printed and delivered.

    58. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by swalve · · Score: 1

      And there will still be plenty of photographers out there recording history. They'll just be all independent contractors, instead of mostly independent contractors. Shit, half the photos in newspapers are amateur or stringer photos anyway.

    59. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      You don't need a $10k camera to "record history".

      No, but it's going to help. Most of that money will be in the lens that will let the photographer shoot at a distance in poor light at a speed where everything isn't a blurry mess.

  3. iPhone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Aparently you can only use an iPhone for photography....Apple invented it....but seriously, an iPhone for professional photography? At least use something with a good lens, sensor and software....Nokia PureView for example, or for that matter anything but an iPhone....geeez

    1. Re:iPhone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Keep in mind that the photographs will wind up on the web or on newsprint. You don't need artist quality cameras for that.

    2. Re:iPhone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      you don't but a fast autofocus with low-light sensitivity will be necessary. Also, when photographing sports, cropping from a 12mp camera phone still isn't good enough quality. A 70-200/ 2.8 will provide a decent quality (dependent on the photog's skill) but it's still hard. But on the other hand, you force the reporter to record video of the sporting event (usually high school)., he/she will still spend a considerable amount of time scrubbing the video to find a good still frame; or worse, edit the video for their online content.

    3. Re:iPhone? by MrHanky · · Score: 1

      The last two iterations of the iPhone have had fairly good cameras. For smartphones, that is. The only one that's much better is the Nokia 808 (not the WP8 phones with the PureView moniker).

    4. Re:iPhone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes because they make a 300 F4 and 500 f5.6 for the iphone. So as long as the reporter can get REALLY close all will be just fine. :-/ Basically they will end up buying from AP they just aren't saying that.

    5. Re:iPhone? by nukenerd · · Score: 2

      It is not just about the quality and other tech aspects of the camera. There is a world of difference in the ability of a specialist photographer to anticipate and shoot at the decisive moment, with good framing, and that of someone just hauled in to do the job. People like Don McCullin [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_McCullin] would probably still have got cracking photos even with a Box Brownie, while a typical hack writer would probably produce laughably amateurish pics even with a top-of-the-range Nikon.

    6. Re:iPhone? by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      I forget-- is blurring the background to draw the viewers eye good photojournalistic practice? If so, adjusting the aperture is considerably easier on DSLR's.

  4. must be a joke by csumpi · · Score: 4, Funny

    clues:

    - training in iPhone photography
    - firing of the photography staff
    - iPhone as a replacement for fancy, expensive DSLRs

    1. Re:must be a joke by Internal+Modem · · Score: 5, Informative

      They replaced their pool of photographers with freelancers (sports, feature stories, breaking news, etc...). In addition, reporters will now carry iPhones in part to capture low resolution video for their website. It's not really the DSLR v iPhone the headline claims.

    2. Re:must be a joke by auric_dude · · Score: 1

      Has been going on for almost a year Guardian hands 20 reporters iPhones for added video coverage http://www.journalism.co.uk/news/guardian-trials-iphone-video-reporting/s2/a549679/

    3. Re:must be a joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure about points 1 and 3, but the firing of the photography staff isn't a joke. That actually happened. I'm hoping the rest of it is a joke...hoping.

    4. Re:must be a joke by Internal+Modem · · Score: 1

      Apologies for replying to myself... This may be a sign the newspaper is going to a digital-only format in the not-too-distant future.

    5. Re:must be a joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This may be a sign the newspaper is going out of business in the not-too-distant future.

      No one wants to watch video news. It's not keyword searchable and is thus difficult to use as a source for evidence to win arbitrary arguments on the internet.

    6. Re:must be a joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, this is an ongoing trend. This isn't the first... this is just the first Slashdot has noticed.

    7. Re:must be a joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i liked this bit in tfa..

      It's a great camera thatâ(TM)s always with you

      some iphones features features may, in fact, be great.. the camera -- NOT one of them. it's ordinary at best, and shitty compared to a _real_ camera.

      fine in a pinch, such as a reporter on the scene ahead of a photographer, and they *have* to get a shot before the opportunity is gone.... but it's not a tool that should be the sole source of original photographs for a newspaper or magazine.

    8. Re:must be a joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, this is an ongoing trend. This isn't the first... this is just the first Slashdot has been paid to post.

      Fixed. This has "shlashvertisement" written all over it; "iPhone" manages to sneak into every sentence, including the headline, and it comes down on the prevailing technology like it's some kind of niche.

    9. Re:must be a joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They replaced their pool of photographers with freelancers (sports, feature stories, breaking news, etc...).

      Hey, Yahoo! Put me in charge of Flickr, and I will make it profitable. Really. I won't even ask to work from home. Or make comparisons of executives with their former counterparts at HP.

    10. Re:must be a joke by ericloewe · · Score: 1

      More importantly, information can not be transmitted as quickly as text can. Especially when they start adding crappy transitions, long intros and ads.

      There's no replacing the process of reading a text.

    11. Re:must be a joke by mrmeval · · Score: 1

      The main stream media is a joke. When you see their product in a dispenser and you seen an empty 2" boarder on each side it's indicative of decay. When they cut the comics section down instead of inflating it with ads it's a sign of insanity. When they give us polemics instead of the news it's a tragedy. When they support authorized news organizations sanctified by the government all of us have failed and all of us will suffer.

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    12. Re:must be a joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lesson 1: Say NO to Vertical Video!

  5. The equipment isn't the story by MadCow42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Who cares what equipment they're using... A piece of crap camera in a skilled photog's hands can still get a great photo.

    The real story (and tragedy) is they think that non-pro photographers (writers and amateurs) can do the job. Watch the results - photo quality (content wise, maybe not just technical wise) will plummet. Maybe they think that doesn't matter, who knows. And for things like sports, they'll have to use wire service photos now for sure. You can get great photos from AP/Reuters, but they'll be the same photos as other news outlets.

    Sad sad, and short-sighted decision IMHO

    Madcow

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    1. Re:The equipment isn't the story by PeeAitchPee · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The real story (and tragedy) is they think that non-pro photographers (writers and amateurs) can do the job.

      I don't think they think this. I think they can't justify the cost of creating "real" photos shot by on-staff pro photographers (which come with health care, benefits, taxes, etc.) using DSLRs when "crappy" pics shot by non-pros will do 95% of the time. They can always hire pros as contractors for the 5% of the time they actually need "real" shots -- or license the shots they need from some syndicated source.

    2. Re:The equipment isn't the story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you print the picture on newsprint the quality suffers due to the medium your are printing on, i.e. it does not really matter. All they need to do is get the picture centered and show the real reason for the image and worry less about the "quality" of the image.

      The future of journalism is the content of the story and some images to go along with it. Think of a one person journal-blog with training. News sites will be a collection of these people.

      Besides, have you seen the articles in the Sun Times. They are not heavy with the pictures in the first place. Nor maps of where this happened, etc.

    3. Re:The equipment isn't the story by ultranova · · Score: 2

      Sad sad, and short-sighted decision IMHO

      It's the same thing everywhere. Austerity is fashionable, so everyone is trying to compete by cutting costs, which means they're cutting quality, which means there's less and less reason why anyone would want their shit for any price.

      It's hit newspaper industry especially hard, since they're directly competing with the Internet, but the entire world economy seems to be in a similar death spiral of austerity over investment.

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    4. Re:The equipment isn't the story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The real story (and tragedy) is they think that non-pro photographers (writers and amateurs) can do the job.

      They can do the job.

      We're talking about documentation for most likely electronic media - like websites and mobile consumption - and not about "art" photography. This is take the photo or video and get the story done. They're not hanging out for the right light or the best composition; get the shot to support the story.

    5. Re:The equipment isn't the story by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      It doesn't matter if your a pro or an amatuer. There are just some shots you're not going to be able to get with a phone or a cheap consumer camera. When you are out in the world, you often don't get to dictate the circumstances of a shot.

      It's "art photography" where you can control conditions.

      Journalism requires something capable of handling the world as you encounter it.

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    6. Re:The equipment isn't the story by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 3, Informative

      I used to bump into a Sun-Times staff photographer at the local Starbucks once in a while. He had approximately $15,000 in LENSES hanging around his neck.

    7. Re:The equipment isn't the story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The real story (and tragedy) is they think that non-pro photographers (writers and amateurs) can do the job.

      I don't think they think this. I think they can't justify the cost of creating "real" photos shot by on-staff pro photographers (which come with health care, benefits, taxes, etc.) using DSLRs when "crappy" pics shot by non-pros will do 95% of the time. They can always hire pros as contractors for the 5% of the time they actually need "real" shots -- or license the shots they need from some syndicated source.

      Newspapers rarely use pro-photos created by their own people or freelancers, and haven't for a number of years. Almost everything they uses is from an image bank where they subscribe for X pics at $Y/usage or a flat fee per year.

    8. Re:The equipment isn't the story by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 1

      This is what happens when you can't sell papers, can't have a paywall, and ad revenues decline. What you don't realize that soon this will not be just the death of newspapers, but the death of what little true, professional, journalism is left. Soon, it will be all be bloggers, opinion panderers, and spin artists. If a person can't make money at a profession, that profession dies. Because everyone expects on-line news to be free and don't read newspapers anymore, print media are finding it harder and harder to make money, thus print journalists are finding it harder to make money.

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    9. Re:The equipment isn't the story by Alex+Belits · · Score: 0

      Who cares what equipment they're using... A piece of crap camera in a skilled photog's hands can still get a great photo.

      Yes, it can. Occasionally and given the conditions that won't cause the picture to turn into a total crap due to simple laws of physics. The point of photo journalism is not to make "great photos", it's to make acceptably good photos OF THINGS THEY ARE REPORTING ABOUT.

      What is often in conditions like this, this, this, this or this.

      And then amateur (such as myself) is ok, but he still has to use a camera that can handle the lighting conditions, movement, distance and required depth of field, and have minimal clue about taking photos in those conditions. Neither a great photographer with iPhone, nor a reporter with minimal training and DSLR (because really, they have to be delusional to combine a beginner photographer and a camera that only works in perfect conditions) would be able to take them. I admit, I have chosen subjects such as Valencia Street hipster in his natural environment for the heck of it, but journalists don't get such a choice.

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    10. Re:The equipment isn't the story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And yet they wonder why people don't find their publications notable and are unsubscribing at increasing rates. Using stories and photos from wire services that are recycled all over the place don't make your Newspaper a unique, compelling product.

    11. Re:The equipment isn't the story by Jartan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think you're giving too much credit to the internet. Journalistic integrity was already in a sad decline before the web took off.

    12. Re:The equipment isn't the story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not even remotely true. There's a large number of photos I can't take with my camera phone because it doesn't offer enough controls.

      You want the movement blur? Nope.
      You want to take oddly contrasted scenes? Nope.
      You want the background blur? Nope (though, I suppose, there's software to emulate this), unless you're like 3 CM from the dude's face.
      You want good night pics? LOL NOPE.

    13. Re:The equipment isn't the story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed 100%. A really good news photographer's value is not so much in the quality of their equipment, but in their skill to be in the right place at the right time and take advantage of it. They know how to jostle past the crowd to get a clear shot, they know how to behave during a demonstration so they don't alarm the cops (some are even well-known by the cops and therefore left alone), and they're stubborn and patient - they may not end up in the right place at the right time every day but they will keep on trying because that's their job.

    14. Re:The equipment isn't the story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lenses which last a decade or more. A big part of that cost is in durability.

    15. Re:The equipment isn't the story by only_human · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The real story is that they want their P/L to look better Right Now because:
      "Some 40 parties have expressed interest in acquiring some or all of Tribune Co.’s newspapers, according to sources close to the situation. The Chicago-based media company hired investment bankers in February to manage inquiries for its eight daily newspapers, including the Chicago Tribune and Los Angeles Times."
      http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaking/chi-tribune-company-20130515,0,1793743.story

    16. Re:The equipment isn't the story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to bump into a Sun-Times staff photographer at the local Starbucks once in a while. He had approximately $15,000 in LENSES hanging around his neck.

      Why the emphasis on lenses, they are the most important part in a camera.

    17. Re:The equipment isn't the story by mtb_ogre · · Score: 1

      Most of the time it's not about the equipment, so long as the story being covered is well lit and within 50 feet, a decent photographer can get a good newspaper worthy image. But as lighting gets worse or things get further away, a dedicated camera and pro photographer is invaluable. What this also increases the skills reporters must bring to the job, good reporters must now be able to interview people, write stories, and take good pictures to record the events. What I find a little crazy is that they just axed photographers without giving them a chance to become reporters also. Often, I pay more attention to the pictures than the story which is often filled with sparse and often incorrect details. A person who can take great pictures and is even a mediocre writer could easily be a better journalist than the reporter who takes poor pictures.

    18. Re:The equipment isn't the story by NIK282000 · · Score: 1

      More or less the lenses make the photo. A cheap sensor won't record all the detail transmitted by the lens but with a cheap lens the image projected on the sensor will have already been distorted from "reality" so far that it doesn't matter what you record it with. Slap a plastic holga clone on a DSLR and it turns into 1998 webcam.

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    19. Re:The equipment isn't the story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At $15,000 per fall, you'd think he'd avoid bumping into anyone or anything...

    20. Re:The equipment isn't the story by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      The Nikkor 1200mm-1700mm supertelephoto was designed for photojournalists. It costs $60 grand.

    21. Re:The equipment isn't the story by gsiarny · · Score: 1

      Your linked story isn't directly relevant. The Chicago Tribune isn't the same as the Chicago Sun-Times, and Tribune Co. doesn't own the Sun-Times.

    22. Re:The equipment isn't the story by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Who cares what equipment they're using... A piece of crap camera in a skilled photog's hands can still get a great photo.

      While that may be true for the arty crap that gets churned the likes of flickr these days it most definitely is NOT true for reporting. This is the field which drove the uptake of large capacity film magazines and motor drives capable of emptying your typical 36 exposure roll in seconds. It's a field where you have a brief instant to capture the right moment.

      It's NOT an industry where you spend a minute screwing around with a touchscreen, waiting several seconds while your subpar camera attempts and fouls up the focusing in a low light shot, and then proceeds to take 1 minute to get a blurry shot in the end.

      Yes you can still take a great photo on a $25 Holga.
      No you won't get it printed in a newspaper.

      Though arguably the Chicago Sun isn't much of a paper anymore.

    23. Re:The equipment isn't the story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Sun-Times is not the Tribune.

    24. Re:The equipment isn't the story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chicago Tribune is NOT the Chicago Sun-Times.

    25. Re:The equipment isn't the story by StenD · · Score: 1

      The greatest prizes in "journalism" are named after one of the notable purveyors of 'yellow journalism', over a century ago. You're giving too much credit to journalism before the web.

  6. Seriously? by cronostitan · · Score: 2

    That's like teaching a jockey to ride a broom stick instead of a real horse because the staff needed to feed the horse has been too costly.
    Now, where is the difference between a normal human being taking a pic of currrent happenings or the reporter?
    There is none, anymore. Anyone can ride a broom stick, except the jockey might do it with a bit more skip-walking, but not really gaining an advantage.

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    1. Re:Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed. People's taste in journalism in the past decade has been declining - everyone wants to consume the broom stick journalism.
      Personally, I'd rather read articles and see the photos online because videos take too long and requires audio - something I have a hard time doing at work durin my "mini-breaks." I can only watch videos when I'm home. Even then, I'd rather watch lolzcat videos than news when I'm home. But that's just me.

    2. Re:Seriously? by loufoque · · Score: 1

      It doesn't matter who takes a picture of the event, what matters is that you have a picture to attach to your article.
      I don't really understand what's your point.

      There is no difference whether it's the reporter or anyone else, and I don't see why there should be.

    3. Re:Seriously? by g1powermac · · Score: 1

      If you only said coconuts instead of a broom stick, more would have understood the analogy. . . .

    4. Re:Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the staff needed to feed the horse has been too costly.

      Unless that's a horsepire, you are doing it wrong. In either case, please elaborate.

    5. Re:Seriously? by graphius · · Score: 1

      Riiignt. and it doesn't matter if you just use code monkeys to write the programs you use everyday, or it doesn't matter if you just grab some guy off the street to change the brakes on your car, etc. Some people are better at some skills than others. If all you want is a facebook quality snapshot of an event, why even bother? There is much more to photojournalism than just snapping a shot. Try it sometime... I am a (quite good) photographer, but I could not work as a photojournalist. Same way I have set up a server in my living room. I am not a Network Administrator...

    6. Re:Seriously? by loufoque · · Score: 1, Interesting

      On average I see more beautiful photos on Facebook than in newspapers and magazines.

    7. Re:Seriously? by graphius · · Score: 1

      Tell me your secret, Facebook seems to have more mediocre to fair (ignoring the poor) while magazines have fair to good (and occasionally great) , or maybe I am more selective in my magazines (not a big reader of newspapers, which I guess proves your point)

  7. Accordingly by evil_aaronm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I propose that the editor be replaced by my second-grade grand-daughter - I mean, she can edit just as well, right? - and the "fancy, expensive" computer that the editor currently uses be replaced by an Etch-A-Sketch. Or Crayons.

    1. Re:Accordingly by houghi · · Score: 4, Funny

      Please don let her leave as an editor here at /.

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    2. Re:Accordingly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's difficult to justify any professional staff when the business isn't making money.

    3. Re:Accordingly by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      I agree. She would be an improvement. At least she couldn't be any worse! /zing

  8. I think this is good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean what is the resolution of a black and white picture printed in a grease smudged newspaper. It is surely less than the resolution / pic quality of an Iphone.

    I would also suggest the following cost saving measures to Chicago sun times. Fire all your writers / editorial staff. The news can be handled just a competantly by crowdsourced bloggers, and with a lot more objectivity. Finally fire all your managerial staff. With bloggers prividing content and photography, there really is no need to keep these expensive managers on staff. With these cost saving measures, I predict that your stock prices will rise expoentially. This is a win win scenario.

    WoW! I have just done the job of an expensive Harvard educated business analysists/ consultants, and I never even finished community college. Maybe we could fire those guys too. Then we could get back to making the USA a profitable entity.

  9. oh yes, totally a replacement for a DSLR by iggymanz · · Score: 0

    that 3.85 mm f/2.8 lens totally can replace anything the lens collection of my SLR, I'm flinging it into the trash.

        (for angle of view and "fastness" it's basically like a 30mm (wide angle) f/22 lens on a 35mm camera)

    1. Re:oh yes, totally a replacement for a DSLR by swalve · · Score: 1

      It's like they are designed specifically to create diffraction blur.

  10. Da by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Americunts are getting stupider every day!

    1. Re:Da by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude what do you have against Bolvians? You do realize that Bolivia is part of America. You have just denigrated two continents with you smear targeted at the USA. If you are going to keep up your prejudices about the superiority of Eurpeans / the rest of the world, you at least owe it toward yourself to figure out where the USA is, and stop calling it America.

      The USA is not America!!!! Amercia is two frickin continents.

      As a proud USian, I do not appreciate being lumped in with those good looking polite scoundrals from Canada 8-). I hate those guys.

    2. Re:Da by Holi · · Score: 0

      No it's not moron.
      You have 2 Continents North America and South America. There is no continent named America. When some one refers to America they are always referring to the USA.

      USian is not a correct term and not one used by Americans.

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    3. Re:Da by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're kinda slow, huh?

  11. The paper is a joke now, but alas the story is not by FreeUser · · Score: 4, Insightful

    clues:

    - training in iPhone photography
    - firing of the photography staff
    - iPhone as a replacement for fancy, expensive DSLRs

    It's real, there was quite a bit of time dedicated to this story on Chicago Tonight a few days ago. The big joke is the Chicago Sun Times itself...once a respectable newspaper, now transforming itself into little more than an amateur blog. And using iPhones with their subpar optics...in the hands of people who know nothing about photography...the paper will be carrying Facebook quality pictures, or as another mentioned, the same pic as every other outlet via AP/UPI.

    Whatever bozo made this decision should be fired...his/her 6-figure salary will probably pay for 2 or 3 decent photographers, and they'll get a whole lot more value out of those photographers than they will the moron who made this decision. But then, I don't think the Chicago Sun Times is long for this world anyway (an end hastened by such collasal mismanagement).

    What we're watching is the final deathrows of a dying paper, in an industry on life support.

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  12. What was lost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Peek into the private collection of historic Sun-Times news photos. http://j.mp/sun-times-photos

  13. Spot the trend by petes_PoV · · Score: 2

    Now, where is the difference between a normal human being taking a pic of currrent happenings or the reporter?

    Just so long as the reporters getting this training realise that they are next for the chop - just as soon as reader-submitted "news" becomes more plentiful.

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  14. The camera isn't the issue by femtobyte · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The move is part of a growing trend towards publications using the iPhone as a replacement for fancy, expensive DSLRs.

    No, the move is a trend towards replacing trained skilled professionals (in this case, photojournalists) with cheap, unskilled labor (reporters who might be fine reporters, but don't know shit about photography and photojournalism; or even "user submissions" from Joe Random's cellphone). The cost of a DSLR is nothing compared to wages for a professional. Unfortunately, the *results* from dumping the photojournalists are also nothing compared to using the professional --- and it's not a matter of camera quality. A professional photojournalist with an iPhone would produce better photojournalism than non-experts with a DSLR. The Chicago Sun Times isn't throwing away "pixel quality" so much as "journalism quality" --- no wonder newspapers are dying.

    1. Re:The camera isn't the issue by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      > A professional photojournalist with an iPhone would produce better photojournalism than non-experts with a DSLR.

      Nope. The iPhone simply isn't up to the task. It doesn't matter how much expertise you throw at it.

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    2. Re:The camera isn't the issue by auric_dude · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The Idiocy of Eliminating a Photo Staff by Alex Garcia http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/assignment-chicago/2013/05/the-idiocy-of-eliminating-a-photo-staff.html offers a view from one working in that area.

    3. Re:The camera isn't the issue by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This makes sense - if the point of journalism is to deliver high-quality photography of the kind that other photographers will appreciate. So much of old-fashioned journalism is a gigantic circle-jerk. It has been repeatedly proven that nobody needs this sort of hugely expensive photography in order to tell a story. A couple of snapshots are enough. "But how will anyone win the Pulitzer Prize?!?!" Yeah, the local newspaper won't win that anyway. It's more of a political award than an acknowledgement of talent.

      Frankly, the people who will be providing said snapshots are ordinary folk posting on social media. Who cares what the f-stop was, or if someone took a shot facing into the sun? It's a freaking photo, it will be gone in 24 hours, why spend any money on it?

      Professional photographers are, predictably, butthurt about the whole thing as it directly attacks their livelihood. When I became an adult I was just shocked at how horridly expensive photography is. And how stupidly overpowered this photography was for my needs. Nobody wants to pay $1500 for a photo of some ducks at a lake. I'm just illustrating an article, thanks. And yet until now this sort of market has existed. Insane, and it is quite gratifying to see this sort of elitist nonsense finally obsoleted.

      Oh, don't believe me? One need only spend time on pro photographer forums to find out just how prevalent the snobbery is. Let's not even get into Nikon vs. Canon.

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    4. Re:The camera isn't the issue by femtobyte · · Score: 2

      Depends a lot on the task. An iPhone won't be much good for the sports page, but not all news stories are about dim, fast-moving, and distant subjects. For daylight and decently-lit interior shots, an iPhone is perfectly sufficient for web-sized and terrible-quality-print (newspaper) images. Double-page glossy color magazine spreads won't look so great. When not working at the margins of technical capability, a professional who knows how to frame an image to "tell a story" will consistently produce *far* better (not in sharpness/color, but in composition/content) images even with crippled technology.
      Anyway, my point is not to say iPhones should replace "real" cameras --- a far more capable camera isn't particularly expensive, and people should be using "the right tools for the job." But, for a wide variety of common photojournalism situations, an iPhone is already "good enough" (and there are even some highly respectable, prizewinning professional photojournalists who have used cellphone cameras for their own work).

    5. Re:The camera isn't the issue by femtobyte · · Score: 1

      One need only spend time on pro photographer forums to find out just how prevalent the snobbery is. Let's not even get into Nikon vs. Canon.

      Been there, do that. The general dynamic that I've observed is that the amateur noobs can be insufferable gear snobs --- immensely arrogant that their new prosumer DSLR is the pinnacle of photographic awesomeness. The working professionals, who carry around $30k of camera gear in their bags, disdain gear/brand-snobbery with a passion, and contribute spectacular photos to the cellphone picture threads.

    6. Re:The camera isn't the issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, but good photography is a skilled art that requires training and years of practice. Most people (myself included) have no idea how to frame a shot well, take lighting into account, etc. Once in a while Joe Average will get happen to get lucky and snap a decent shot with whatever they have available, but this is an exception.

      A true master of the craft will utilize the best tool for the job at hand available to them, but will never regard the one true tool as the end-all-be-all. Are you certain you're reading forums for real professionals and not wannabe gear enthusiasts who just want to brag about how much money they spent on a camera?

    7. Re:The camera isn't the issue by brit74 · · Score: 1

      no wonder newspapers are dying.

      I'm pretty sure you've got the cause and effect backwards. Newspapers are dying because ad-revenue is down. Why is is down? Because people are buying fewer papers and getting their news online and because (even though they move their paper online to follow their customers) internet ads pay less than newspaper ads. Cutting their staff is a symptom of declining revenue. Now I guess we watch all the people with ad-blockers complain about the decline of the quality of the news.

    8. Re:The camera isn't the issue by CadentOrange · · Score: 1

      When I became an adult I was just shocked at how horridly expensive photography is. And how stupidly overpowered this photography was for my needs. Nobody wants to pay $1500 for a photo of some ducks at a lake.

      The key thing here is that it's overpowered for your needs.

      You get enthusiasts in all sorts of fields who purchase stuff that are far more advanced/expensive than is easily justifiable by a lay person.

    9. Re:The camera isn't the issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Newspapers are dying because people can get updated news for free on the Internet.

    10. Re:The camera isn't the issue by k6mfw · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Taking a good photo takes skill, and to find someone that can take good photos is ***really difficult*** as photos by most people are really bad. They may be great in terms of focus and color balance but terrible in framing and composition of shot (like as if what does this picture mean anyway? it seems emotion doesn't match the story). Give a skilled photog a good camera and then you get ***really fantastic*** pictures. However, I've found it can be difficult to simply find a good photog in spite there are many more pros out there. I've seen some with outstanding work but when hired them to do pics for things like engineering society gatherings, their results are not that great. So I guess the iPhone wins.

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    11. Re:The camera isn't the issue by stenvar · · Score: 1

      You're welcome to found your own newspaper and try to compete. You'll quickly realize why these companies are reducing their staff in order to make ends meet.

    12. Re:The camera isn't the issue by Common+Joe · · Score: 1

      The Chicago Sun Times isn't throwing away "pixel quality" so much as "journalism quality" --- no wonder newspapers are dying.

      They threw away real journalism a long time ago. Current newspapers around the country (both in print and online) are utter crap. Why bother keeping professional photographers if you have poorly written news?

    13. Re:The camera isn't the issue by femtobyte · · Score: 1

      The stuff people get free on the internet is copies of the international news associations (AP, etc.) feeds. Since "local" news ditched the idea of doing their own real investigative reporting on substantial local issues, city newspapers have just become re-prints of the exact same content that you can find everywhere online (including using stock and AP photos), with the local stuff only a little weak "human interest" warm/fuzzy or crime pornography. They have made themselves redundant to getting the news online.

      However, if newspapers actually had *real journalists* (written and photographic) generating original local and regional news, they'd have a chance at being relevant. I get better news coverage/analysis of events in Africa and the Mid-East than I do of what's happening in my own city, because there is very little local/regional reporting left. There's no lack of actual issues to report about --- I know all sorts of activists/advocates for important local causes --- but there is no news media left to cover it.

    14. Re:The camera isn't the issue by femtobyte · · Score: 1

      I agree; losing the photojournalists is part of the same process of ditching all other forms of original, independent, local journalism (and just becoming one of a zillion identical re-printers of the same AP stories).

    15. Re:The camera isn't the issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I personally suspect it is a matter of reporting quality. Most newspapers are pretty crappy and actual journalism seems to be pretty dead unfortunately compared to the press release parroting and presenting both opinions as equal without even a modicum of fact checking. Downward spiral ahoy.

    16. Re:The camera isn't the issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I was at a press conference once that took place a nature reserve. We were all lined up a few feet away from the podium while a corrupt politician blathered on at the end of the dock about ducks.

      We looked to the right and saw a photographer in hip waders walking out -- carefully --- to get a side view of the event. The different framing was key. Him separated from the press by three meters. And the shot was un-gettable from the dock. Turns out, many photographers have hip waders in their equipment cases. Why? For this reason.

      The shot was brilliant. So much so that most of the papers in advance decided not to run their own photos because we all knew this shot would be on their front page above the fold and it was. There was simply no point in trying to compete with his image.

    17. Re:The camera isn't the issue by graphius · · Score: 1

      As a photographer and an occasional photography teacher I often divide photography along a spectrum. At one end are the basic scientific or insurance type shots. All they are meant to do is show that something exists. As you move along the spectrum through snapshots and portraits more emotion is conveyed in the image until eventually you get to abstract fine art images that convey emotion over content. At the record shot end of this spectrum, modern cameras are very good at getting the technical details "correct" and all you really have to do is point the camera in roughly the right direction* It is much more difficult to evoke emotion (and the emotion you want to evoke). The background, light, composition, exposure, motion, and many other aspects come into play, each contributing to the image as a whole. This is the difficult stuff, and this is what talented (whether amateur or pro) photographers and artists strive for. Even the pros who are paid large sums of money fail far more often than they succeed in producing something that stands out. *I do admit that pointing the camera "in the right direction" can be very hard with elusive subjects like atoms, or with very rare subjects like endangered wildlife, however the point of the photo is the subject matter

    18. Re:The camera isn't the issue by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      This makes sense - if the point of journalism is to deliver high-quality photography of the kind that other photographers will appreciate. So much of old-fashioned journalism is a gigantic circle-jerk. It has been repeatedly proven that nobody needs this sort of hugely expensive photography in order to tell a story.
      Have a look at some the Pulitzer prizes for photography.

      2013
      2012
      2011

      Those photographs are pretty powerful. They help tell a narrative, and the appeal extends way beyond photographers.

      "But how will anyone win the Pulitzer Prize?!?!" Yeah, the local newspaper won't win that anyway. It's more of a political award than an acknowledgement of talent

      Although the Sun-Times hasn't won a photography pulitzer in a good many years, it is still a major metropolitan daily.

    19. Re:The camera isn't the issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever see the Boston globe's big picture. There is a reason to keep good photos on staff. The Internet is a very visual medium and text only does not cut it for a good portion of people. This is a short sighted move. http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/

    20. Re:The camera isn't the issue by epo001 · · Score: 1

      > A professional photojournalist with an iPhone would produce better photojournalism than non-experts with a DSLR.

      Nope. The iPhone simply isn't up to the task. It doesn't matter how much expertise you throw at it.

      It's not just about picture quality, it's about knowing what will make a definitive or compelling image. For low resolution newspaper or web images, the difference between cameraphone and DSLR is more about the quality of the operator than the quality of the camera.

    21. Re:The camera isn't the issue by Toshito · · Score: 1

      This makes sense - if the point of journalism is to deliver high-quality redaction of the kind that other journalists will appreciate. So much of old-fashioned journalism is a gigantic circle-jerk. It has been repeatedly proven that nobody needs this sort of hugely expensive text redaction in order to tell a story. A couple of paragraphs are enough. "But how will anyone win the Pulitzer Prize?!?!" Yeah, the local newspaper won't win that anyway. It's more of a political award than an acknowledgement of talent.

      Frankly, the people who will be providing said texts are ordinary folk posting on social media. Who cares what the details where? It's a freaking article, it will be gone in 24 hours, why spend any money on it?

      Professional journalists are, predictably, butthurt about the whole thing as it directly attacks their livelihood. When I became an adult I was just shocked at how horridly expensive journalims is. And how stupidly overpowered this journalism was for my needs. Nobody wants to pay $1500 for an article talking about of some event taking place at a lake. I'm just reporting a story, thanks. And yet until now this sort of market has existed. Insane, and it is quite gratifying to see this sort of elitist nonsense finally obsoleted.

      Oh, don't believe me? One need only spend time on pro journalists forums to find out just how prevalent the snobbery is. Let's not even get into redaction vs. photography.

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    22. Re:The camera isn't the issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of the senior photographers being laid off is John White, winner of a Pulizer prize.

  15. it's not about the tools.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The food tastes terrible. The chef should've used Mauviel pots instead of KitchenAid."

    It doesn't matter what tool is used, but *who* is using it.

    I predict the photos will look terrible. But then again, I bet most people won't notice. Most people are happy to eat at McDonald's.
    Having a taste for art is an expensive hobby. But for a newspaper, having an artistic flair is an added bonus; a window dressing around facts.
    I think firing the photographers is a mistake, but it won't negatively impact their business financially - only their reputation. Unfortunately, it's hard to quantify reputation and translate it to dollars.

    1. Re:it's not about the tools.... by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      Except the camera isn't just a tool. It's more like one of the ingredients. Suddenly your haute chef is using canned ingredients and rotten produce.

      Some shots just aren't going to be possible with a phone period.

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    2. Re:it's not about the tools.... by sixsixtysix · · Score: 1

      either way, they're serving it in a thimble instead of on a platter.

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    3. Re:it's not about the tools.... by jythie · · Score: 1

      And I imagine press shots often fall under that category. You only get one chance to get it right, subjects are often moving, and bosses are much less sympathetic to 'sorry things are blurry' then someone's facebook friends.

    4. Re:it's not about the tools.... by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Not in this case. You need a camera that's weather sealed, in case the weather is bad, and that has enough pixels to crop away, the sensor has to be as sensitive as possible, because you don't have studio strobes, and there needs to be enough manual control that you can override the settings the camera wants if the situation demands it.

      Cameras phones can deliver excellent results in easy conditions, but they're just not good enough to handle the demands of photojournalists in most cases. Sometimes they are the correct tool, but they lack the flexibility to be the camera that is being carried around for work. They have neither the quality nor the reach for that.

    5. Re:it's not about the tools.... by flayzernax · · Score: 1

      One could use this as an argument to bolster the opinion that America is a society of poor cheap bastards. When are we going to do something about that? Is the press going to say anything anytime soon? Nope.

      The wealth of our lives, society, culture, nation, corporations, schools, friends, newspapers, blogs, cakes all depends on the enrichment of our society.

      But we are being treated like slaves and even our overlords can't afford the caviar now it seems.

  16. Thom Hogan has a very critical write up on this by jools33 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Thom Hogan (Nikon expert) has a very critical take on this here , one which I happen to agree with fully, to quote Thom:
    " If you're in the content business, there's one simple rule you have to remember: create the best content for your chosen media. First, you can sell great content to customers (circulation revenue). Second, you can sell your access to a great set of customers to others (advertising revenue). Corollary: if you don't invest in the content, you'll die. First, because you don't attract a large enough audience and can't hold them. Second, because the declining audience will scare advertisers away. Finally, if you just run from your chosen medium to try to dominate another one, you're playing moose to someone else's elephant. Prepare to get stepped on."

    1. Re:Thom Hogan has a very critical write up on this by johnny+cashed · · Score: 1

      Don't know about dead tree editions, but a lot of online "newspapers" don't publish hi-res images on the website. Instead I often see low-res images with no option to enlarge.

      That's not taking advantage of the web. Some of these guys are dinosaurs and don't know what to make of online media. I'm not speaking of Chicago Sun Times specifically, but other newspapers suck when it comes to images on their online presence.

    2. Re:Thom Hogan has a very critical write up on this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is because the lower the resolution used, the cheaper the fee to use someone elses's images. The vast majority of images used in publications are stock photos from massive image banks. Most big players are now owned by Bill Gates, almost every time you see an image on a news site, paper or magazine, Gates is getting paid.

    3. Re:Thom Hogan has a very critical write up on this by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      A photo doesn't need to be high res to be good, or low res to be bad.

      A press photographer with a 4 megapixel Nikon D1 will still likely take a much better shot than some idiot on their iPhone.

  17. TV will do this next by Skapare · · Score: 1

    Then we'll see "self pix" like remote TV reporting. No need for a camera person to tag along and no need for a remote van with that tall transmitter tower that can get mixed up with the electrical wires overhead.

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    1. Re:TV will do this next by ibennetch · · Score: 1

      Then we'll see "self pix" like remote TV reporting. No need for a camera person to tag along and no need for a remote van with that tall transmitter tower that can get mixed up with the electrical wires overhead.

      This has already happened. Around here (one of the top five markets, and on the national 24/7 news channels, for that matter), they are constantly airing footage shot by viewers. Sure the quality is bad (technical issues like exposure, rolling shutter, etc), the composition is bad (not shot by someone who knows how to frame a shot or tell a story with video), and the overall experience is bad, but people love to see their name and video on TV so they'll even give it away for free. The station gets video for free that they otherwise wouldn't have access to, so they're thrilled as well. It's win-win or lose-lose, depending on your perspective.

      Many stations send out one person, a reporter/camera person combo rather than the traditional two person camera operator and reporter team. I'm sure it's a bit awkward holding the mic and camera while asking questions, but it's significant savings (at the expense of, in my opinion, compromising content, something another poster mentioned from Thom Hogan's article about this). Similarly, a lot of newscasts are heavily automated. This leads to a lack of flexibility and occasional problems with on-air content, but stations have generally decided that those compromises are worth it in exchange for downsizing.

      I can't say they're completely wrong; those are business decisions to save money at a time when there's little money going around anyway, but it's also cheapening the product and putting out substandard quality. I believe that content is king and that at some point, people will turn to the news that has actual reporters reporting along side compelling, quality video. But that's just me, and the past five or so years has worn hard on my theory.

      Note that I work in TV, regularly edit material that airs nationally, worry about what my job will look like in ten years, but I don't do news.

  18. Hopefully the death of the Newspapers by tuppe666 · · Score: 0

    Ignoring the fact that this is an Apple advertisement, and awesomely stupid; If the idea is to get good photos...then choose the phone with the best camera. Personally I love the fact that suddenly journalists who I never liked, over reporters who I do, can no longer spew whatever propaganda they have been paid for that I am forced to digest...they are suddenly no more relevant than a blogger(or whatever term is popular today), who are on mass decidedly more honest. Now if only TV news was as easy to end.

    Personally though I love the idea of spiderman on the dole queue and superman taking iPhone lessons because holy mother of mary I could not sit though another reboot of lets face it a raped caricature of their former self, and maybe....just maybe I can have a squeal to Dredd 3D.

    1. Re:Hopefully the death of the Newspapers by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      If the idea is to get good photos...then choose the phone with the best camera.

      Or, y'know, just get the best camera. Even a mediocre camera would probably be better than any phone camera. It won't be long until one their iJournos is cursing the lack of optical zoom.

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  19. Re:The paper is a joke now, but alas the story is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What we're watching is the final deathrows of a dying paper ...

    Since you are only sem-literate, it shouldn't bother you.

    The correct word is "throes".

    As in : "death throes".

  20. The best camera is the one you have with you by Overzeetop · · Score: 0

    No, it takes fantastic pictures...for a phone you always have with you anyway. It was one of the absolute standout features of the iPhone 4, and (with the purple flare issue fixed on the iPhone 5) is still top notch for a phone. It's no substitute for a professional level DSLR (or even an amateur, for that matter), but it can be operated to a very basic level of competence by a minimally trained person. You'll get much better shots from an iPhone than you will if you hand over a D4 or a MkIII to a non-photographer. I suspect everything they are teaching would apply to any phone camera.

    One question worth asking is whether a large in-house photo staff is necessary for a publication which will never publish anything larger than 8x10 in 75-100dpi quality print, or will only be seen on a web page with 1000 pixel or less resolution in God-knows-what colorspace. I'm not saying that pros with pro gear can't get better pictures, with better composition, lighting, detail, and artistic style - I'm saying that the paper may have made a financial decision that $3M/yr is not the level of photo they need. Do you need a $20,000 photo shoot for a wedding? For some people the answer is yes, for most it's no - good enough is what they seek for their budget. Can you imagine how many typesetters and press operators lost their jobs when newspapers went to modern press printing? The quality is poorer, the resolution is poorer, and layout is less refined.

    Yes, it totally sucks rocks for the people losing their jobs. Yes, we are less likely to have stunning photography of breaking news. Yes, there will still be a market for freelancers to cover the high profile events. Yes, there will ultimately be fewer jobs for professional photographers. That sucks if you're a photographer.

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    1. Re:The best camera is the one you have with you by ceoyoyo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "You'll get much better shots from an iPhone than you will if you hand over a D4 or a MkIII to a non-photographer."

      No, actually, you won't. DSLRs still have "green square mode" which puts the things in automatic. You won't get the results you'd get from the same camera with a decent photographer behind it, but you'll get better results than a camera phone provides.

    2. Re: The best camera is the one you have with you by alen · · Score: 1

      Dslr's take photos in raw mode which you can photochop easily

      iPhone is in jpeg which you can do some basic editing but the original photo needs to be under optimal conditions

    3. Re:The best camera is the one you have with you by T-Bone-T · · Score: 2

      The green square helps but it can't make artistic decisions. The photograph will be properly exposed by certain measures but it can't fix composition or subject matter.

    4. Re:The best camera is the one you have with you by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      The problem (for the photographers, anyway) is that newspaper photojournalism is, the majority of time, pretty staid and trite. A picture of a bunch of fire trucks and a smoky building. A picture of some dignitary doing some dignatorial function. An iPhone and someone minimally versed in photographic basics would do fine.

      Yes, you're going to miss the Pulitzer Prize picture most of the time. That's what the stringers are for. The underlying issue is that the Pulitzer Prize and similar awards don't affect the bottom line all that much. Lots of salaries do. Hell, most news organizations don't even bother with a picture of the actual incident. If you are covering a plane crash, you wander over to a stock photo site, look for a picture of a plane crash, buy it for $25.00 and off you go.

      Really annoys me, but then again so does a lot of other things.

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    5. Re: The best camera is the one you have with you by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      If you're printing at 3 x 5 inches (at best) in grey scale at 170 lpi, or showing 500 x 300 pixels on the web, you don't need to do much 'editing'. There is hardly any information to edit.

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    6. Re:The best camera is the one you have with you by meta-monkey · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, it'll only be properly exposed if it's pointing a subject that's 18% gray (within its metering area, ie spot, center, or center weighted).

      The meters inside cameras are reflective meters (as opposed to an incident meter you hold in front of the subject and click). So they measure the light reflected off the subject. But different subjects reflect different amounts of light. A white object is more reflective than a black object. So how does the camera know what color the object is that it's pointed at? It doesn't. So it assumes it's medium gray and sets the exposure accordingly. That's fine for an average (by definition) scene, but fails everywhere else. This is why if you've ever pulled out a point and shoot camera, or phone or pro DSLR in green square mode in the snow and taken a picture, you'll notice all your white snow is gray. That's why professionals use manual exposure, or at least exposure compensation in auto modes.

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    7. Re:The best camera is the one you have with you by CadentOrange · · Score: 1

      A Nikon D4 and a Canon 5D MK III referenced in the original comment do not have a "green square" mode. The modes available are S (shutter priority), A (aperture priority), P (program) and M (manual). They're aimed at competent users who the manufacturers expect to know how to operate the camera.

    8. Re:The best camera is the one you have with you by CadentOrange · · Score: 1

      This is no longer the case with modern cameras. A lot of cameras these days include face recognition and will bias the exposure to any faces detected. While this is only possible in live view, Even with older cameras like the D700 and D3 the camera was clever enough to attempt to recognise the scene it was photographing and bias the exposure accordingly (see the 1005 pixel metering sensor). I know this is what matrix metering on Nikon cameras have done for at least the last 6 years and I assume that the same thing holds for Canon.

      This is not to say that the camera gets it right all the time. Manual intervention is necessary when the camera gets things wrong.

    9. Re:The best camera is the one you have with you by jythie · · Score: 1

      The usefulness of a DSLR or EVIL camera in this case is less about the resolution of the final picture, and more about how quickly the camera can grab it. Larger sensor, faster autofocus, more lens ranges, and with a high enough resolution that you can pan out and crop down, so you have more choice for how to frame things in post processing.

      The big problem is, though, that often in photojournalism you often only get one shot, so you want a tool that has the best chance of getting that shot and has the most flexible output.

    10. Re: The best camera is the one you have with you by CadentOrange · · Score: 1

      Press photographers rarely shoot RAW. I'd say never, but then that's just begging to be proved wrong by some random photographer who is an outlier ;)

      The trend in newspaper photography has always been to minimise turnaround time and the RAW workflow just slows things down too much. It's ironic that it is this mindset that has made the Chicago Sun move from DSLRs to iPhones.

    11. Re:The best camera is the one you have with you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know about the Nikon D4, but from the pictures I've seen of the 5D MK III, it looks to me like it still has the same "green square" automatic mode that my Canon SX20 point and shoot has.

    12. Re:The best camera is the one you have with you by jools33 · · Score: 1

      Matrix metering has been around much longer than 6 years - my 1992 Nikon F90X had 5 segment matrix metering.
      The D3/D700 metering is actually pretty complex - the camera has an onboard database of thousands of images metering results - and it determines the correct exposure by comparing the pixel arrays metering result with that database.

    13. Re:The best camera is the one you have with you by stenvar · · Score: 1

      It's press photography; they are supposed to be reporting the news, not "framing" it, literally or figuratively.

    14. Re: The best camera is the one you have with you by sir-gold · · Score: 1

      Back in 1998, when the internet was still pretty new to most people, I overheard a conversation about how someone's website was loading extremely slowly (even for dial-up) on certian pages, and he couldn't figure out why. When I asked him about it, it turned out to be the owner and chief-editor of the (very long running) local newspaper, and I offered my help since I had just finished a computer support degree. (Which included classes in HTML, back when people still hand-coded HTML).

      Turned out he was sizing the on-page images using HTML code (with a wysiwyg editor), which was hiding the fact that he had uploaded the images as un-resized, un-compressed, 2MB-each, .BMPs

    15. Re: The best camera is the one you have with you by pollarda · · Score: 1

      Raw files allow you to adjust the exposure easily by two stops either direction and sometimes more. Additionally, it is easier to adjust the white balance with RAW files. Both of these can be necessary for rescuing an improperly exposed photo of a once in a lifetime event.

    16. Re:The best camera is the one you have with you by rjforster · · Score: 1

      My 5D mk III does. I never use it but it is there. OK it's more a rectangle with the top right corner missing and replaced with a '+' than a square but it is most certainly green and represents full auto mode.

    17. Re: The best camera is the one you have with you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was a photojournalist 5-6 years ago, and I've never shot RAW. We were more concerned about speed. Also, RAW takes too much space which bogs down workflow, especially when doing sports. However, I know some photogs did shoot RAW, and I loved using PhotoMechanic - whatever black magic it had, it would always display RAW shots extremely fast. At least compared to Adobe Bridge (v1.0 when it came out).

      When I did features and lifestyle, I shot RAW so I'd have more latitude to tweak things. Plus, since they're not really "news" in the historically-factual sense of the word, I could photoshop the crap out of it. And by lifestyle I mean, photographing the season's fashion spread. The makeup artist would be our secretary, and light assistant were whichever reporters and editors that were available.

      When I freelanced on weekends to do weddings, I shot RAW. But I wish I didn't have to do weddings to supplement my income. That's how bad newspapers already were back then.

    18. Re:The best camera is the one you have with you by CadentOrange · · Score: 1

      That's interesting. As a Nikon shooter and having briefly looked at the Canon 5D, I'd assumed that was the case. I stand corrected.

    19. Re: The best camera is the one you have with you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With Lightroom, RAW can be processed with the same workflow as jpeg. RAW just give more options if you want them.

    20. Re:The best camera is the one you have with you by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      As others have replied, the 5D does certainly have a full auto mode. The D4 doesn't seem to (I shoot Canon, so I've never carefully examined the $5000 Nikon. It DOES have a P mode though, which is pretty close to full auto except that it lets you change things if you want. So long as you don't screw with it too much, you're essentially shooting on automatic. Even a writer should be able to handle that.

      You won't get as good pictures as from someone who knows how to use the camera, but pointing and shooting an SLR in auto or P mode will get you better pictures than a camera phone.

    21. Re:The best camera is the one you have with you by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Neither can a camera phone.

      I'm curious, what exactly did I say that you were replying to? I specifically said that green square wouldn't get the same results as a camera with a competent photographer, but it would be better than a camera phone.

    22. Re:The best camera is the one you have with you by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      Nikon has had Matrix Metering since 1983.

    23. Re:The best camera is the one you have with you by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      The iPhone makes artistic decisions?

      Press photography was once summed up as "f/8 and be there". Wider apertures are for artistes.

    24. Re:The best camera is the one you have with you by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      Isn't "P mode" more or less equivalent to "Auto"?

    25. Re: The best camera is the one you have with you by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Dslr's take photos in raw mode which you can photochop easily

      iPhone is in jpeg which you can do some basic editing but the original photo needs to be under optimal conditions

      Yawn. First of all: you can easily print unedited iPhone photos directly on 4"x6" and most people couldn't tell a difference to one made with a (D)SLR, let alone when printed in a news paper.

      As for the image format: just buy a different camera app, there are several who produce uncompressed files.

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    26. Re:The best camera is the one you have with you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Incorrect. The 5D Mk III does indeed have a Auto mode aka "Green Square"

    27. Re:The best camera is the one you have with you by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      Isn't "P mode" more or less equivalent to "Auto"?

      I think the "P" stands for "professional".

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    28. Re:The best camera is the one you have with you by T-Bone-T · · Score: 1

      Actually, it does. It uses no sequitur focusing to change the subject of the photo. You can try to take a picture of something but it will focus on the foreground or the background rather than your intended subject. It will then promptly jump out of your hand in an attempt to crack the glass.

    29. Re:The best camera is the one you have with you by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      Have you ever handed an 85 f/1.4 or 300 f/2.8 lens to an amateur and had them take pictures of a busy scene on full auto mode? AF is good, but FF camera's depth of field is fucking treacherous if you don't know what you're doing. You'll get 100 out of 100 images with the focus in just the wrong spot. I've probably shot 200,000 frames in my life between my F4s and my D3, and I'm not embarrassed to say that I still get half of them with the focus not quite where I wanted it when shooting wide open.

      The advantage of little sensors in the hands of amateurs is that they don't have to worry nearly as much about depth of field. No, they won't get that subject isolating bocah, but today a $20/hr photoshop operator can stick in some gaussian blur to simulate the effect for a newsprint-quality image.

      For a daily, throw-away image you can get away with too much grain/noise, lower resolution due to cropping, poor colors, aberrations, etc. But if your photo subject is blurry it's going in the trash. Again - you can train amateurs who will be there anyway to shoot "just in case" pictures with a simple tool and know you have something. In return, you have $3,000,000 a year to pay for "that shot" from a freelancer when such work pops up. $5,000 a photo will buy a killer front page shot once or twice every week for 1/10 of the cost of the staff. Again - yes, it sucks. Computers and electronics offered to let us work less and do more. Everybody seems to have forgotten that every job a computer takes over is a job which is no longer done by a human. And we're not shrinking the population. The math is not in our favor.

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    30. Re:The best camera is the one you have with you by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      In the D3 manual, Nikon has it as Programmed Auto

      Camera automatically adjusts shutter speed and aperture for optimal exposure in most situations.

      On my camera, which is not a D3, the only difference between P and Auto is that "Auto" prevents you from changing the shutter speed/aperture. I shoot using "M" mode. The lenses are cheaper.

    31. Re:The best camera is the one you have with you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a total novice who got his first DSLR (a Canon EOS Rebel T4i) only a couple of months ago, I feel uniquely qualified to comment on your last statement.

      In open air on a sunny day, yes, I did get better shots on the DLSR than I ever did with the iPhone 5, just by learning how to zoom and click. But indoors, in a dim white room, the portrait shots I made in auto mode (no flash) had all sorts of brightness and white balance issues, making my wife look dark blue or fever red. I did get some beautiful bokeh, highly resolved hair...just in the wrong colors. The iPhone photos, on the other hand, needed no correction at all. I was sorely disappointed.

      My story has a happy ending because the resulting shots looked fine (for a beginner, anyway) once I taught myself how to correct white balance with a photo editor, and the some of the shots were not something I could ever do with the iPhone. But most people who rely on the point-and-shoot mode won't go that far, and for those people, the iPhone actually can take better shots than the DSLR.

    32. Re:The best camera is the one you have with you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On my Canon DSLR, the P mode allows manual override over everything except aperture and shutter speed. The Auto mode is so automatic that it doesn't even let you control the flash.

    33. Re:The best camera is the one you have with you by LordByronStyrofoam · · Score: 1

      The 5D mk 2 has a 'green box' mode, and it seriously constrains your options in nearly all the menus.

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    34. Re:The best camera is the one you have with you by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      P (Program Mode) would be more accurately called Automatic with manual override.

      And considering that some point and shoots like my old Konica Minolta Z10 have such modes.. there are plenty of "average joes) who know enough that they could be taught how to make basic use of such modes in a short time. I'm no photographer but even I know that you can use Aperture to change depth-of-field.

    35. Re:The best camera is the one you have with you by swalve · · Score: 1

      I think P mode lets you adjust the ISO and white balance manually, where full auto doesn't.

    36. Re:The best camera is the one you have with you by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      If you spin the dial on a Nikon D3100,P mode lets you trade speed for aperture.

      For instance suppose Auto recommends f/5.6 at 1/500s. P would allow you to the dial to f/4,1/1000s, or f/8,1/250s. It's a good learning tool. But since it readjusts aperture and shutter speed each time you meter, sometimes it defaults to undesirable values. A landscape at f/1.4 and 1/8000 s? A bird flapping its wings at f/11, 1/60s? But baby steps, baby steps...

      Maybe Canon doesn't even allow the user that flexibility. I haven't shot a Canon, so who knows?

      My lenses are a 18-55mm kit, a 200mmf4 manual, and a 50mmf1.4 manual. The two manual lenses are more fun to use--but are rubbish for action shots.

    37. Re:The best camera is the one you have with you by swalve · · Score: 1

      I just looked at my D3200. Full auto only allows you to adjust flash mode, af area mode, focus mode, release mode and raw/jpg modes. Programmed auto mode lets you additionally adjust flash compensation, ev compensation, metering, ISO and white balance.

      So it can be viewed either as "full Automatic with a few more choices available" or "A+S mode".

      Check out the 35mm 1.8f AFS-G lens- it's a great prime lens for most situations.

    38. Re:The best camera is the one you have with you by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      Check out the 35mm 1.8f AFS-G lens- it's a great prime lens for most situations.

      Will do. Thanks.

  21. Re:Slashdot Editors: by jedidiah · · Score: 1

    > And, yes, there's "tech" angle in that the iPhone takes good enough pictures to be used for photojournalism

    Yes there's certainly a tech angle in the CLAIM that you can replace a real camera with a phone. That is a claim that is very likely to be in dispute as there are quite a lot of people that have done photography with these devices.

    A useless grey blur is unlikely to be useful for photojournalism and that's a likely result you're going to get from an inferior device in a lot of situations.

    It does not take a lot of photography experience to realize this but it does take some.

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  22. death blow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    well, this should eliminate any remaining subscribers who thing that it makes sense to pay the Chicago Sun Time for their content. If they get all their news (and now photos) from the web, why pay them? so sad.

  23. Less content, less news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A picture can be worth a thousand words. A picture can tell an entire story. A picture can evoke real emotion.

    Or a picture can be too dim, taken too late, or just not framed in the right context and do none of those things.

    I don't see removing content being a winning strategy in the news business. The net effect is the same as arbitrarily reducing the number of words in the articles.

    This is a similar decision to firing all the reporters and assigning the stories to interns. After all, they can write stories too.

  24. Cave Paintings by Aaron+B+Lingwood · · Score: 1

    This is a dark day in the recording of human history. The people now responsible for capturing the most important events of the human age are neither masters of their craft nor using the best available tools. I almost couldn't think of a more ridiculous scenario.

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    1. Re:Cave Paintings by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

      The people now responsible for capturing the most important events...

      ...aren't working for the Chicago Sun-Times anyway.

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    2. Re:Cave Paintings by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Yeah, they're all on Facebook.

      What is this, some sort of test?

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    3. Re:Cave Paintings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given that journalism is moving online, anyway, none of it will exist in 50 years anyway, fancy photography or not.

  25. It Begins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get ready for news reports shot in vertical.

  26. Magic money tree? by Phoeniyx · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Do you have a subscription for the Sun or a similar newspaper? If you do, good for you. But, there are millions who stopped paying for their news. Without this revenue, how exactly are the news outlets supposed to have all these professionals on staff? Magic money tree? The more people get their news from the "internet", the less money will be spent on gathering the news. This is just a natural outcome of the digital age. If it reduces the quality, well.. That's just part of the game.

    1. Re:Magic money tree? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reading on the internet cuts distribution costs by a huge margin and still lets them sell advertising.

      Why aren't they getting record profits?

    2. Re:Magic money tree? by hey! · · Score: 1

      I actually subscribe to the Kindle edition of the Boston Globe -- a newspaper I don't particularly like -- precisely because I think somebody need to pay for things like local investigative reporting.

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  27. Goes the other way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would much rather see a story written by a photographer with their quality photos than a piece written by a reporter and their crappy shots.

  28. Swapping by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    When you're getting rid of A and bringing in B, isn't it better to say you're swapping A for B, rather than B for A?

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  29. This is about video for free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'm a tech writer who started off as a journalist. I can see what they are trying. The idea is that they want video rather than pictures and even better, they want videos uploaded by the public -- for free! -- or reporters.

    Newspapers need a new business model and this will be a part of it, definitely. This is someone who has a $3000 DLSR saying this. However, photographers need to be aware that 'You'll miss us when we're gone' is not a business model for them. New equipment has allowed amateurs to use AF and AE to get acceptable shots and even good shots. They can't tell you how they did it, do it a second time, or make minute adjustments but if you've got 1,000 users posting pictures to Instagram or Flickr, and you just need something good enough that's free, well, there you are. Even if 98 per cent of these are crap, the two per cent of them that are acceptable (assuming you can find them) are basically free.

    From a bean counting perspective, this makes sense.

    Operationally, it's idiotic.

    The idea that since the reporter is holding up a phone as a recorder anyway, he might as well capture video may sound great on paper but operationally, this only works in great light, short distances and you need a plug in microphone. If you've ever been at a press conference, the cameramen are standing back, with the cameras up high and using zooms dedicated mics at the podium. In free for alls, the reporter is using a dedicated mic and the camera operator is angling for a functional shot.

    Video as news rather than the single image is a technological advance.

    We used to use engravings in newspapers, then photos and videos are next. Why? You cannot show video on paper but now that we have tablets, this is not longer an issue. However, it's hard enough to get a great single frame image, never mind a great moving image. Of course, editing video is actually a skill and is often a slow process because you can only proceed linearly. Which is easier? Final Cut Pro or SnagIt? The people approving this have never tried using video.

    Getting back to the capture, great images can come down to down to light shaping and lens choice. You need to learn these things and it's a skill and, yep, a $1,500 lens that you can shoot camera raw in, often in near darkness will wipe the street with your camera phone. Last week an apparently simple shot of the Queen was published. You wouldn't know that she was standing next to a two meter tall reflector and underneath an off camera light source out in the middle of the Scottish moors, but that's rather the point.

    Because taking and making photos is no longer 'special' we have seen the collapse of the wedding photography industry and now photo journalism. Most people have no taste and wouldn't know a good image from a bad one until the 'I'll photograph your wedding for $200 bozo' you got off Craigslist turns in his garbage. Lens and lighting choices matter, and the ability to generate great shots consistently is also a skill. You need an apprenticeship, practice and there's no substitute for gear.

  30. makes sense by sixsixtysix · · Score: 1

    when they use such low res images in print or online, what's the point of having fancy camera? granted that goes for the entire industry. in the era of hd, there is no acceptable reason to not have links to the high res photos on any news site.

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  31. Image quality will tank by kawabago · · Score: 1

    Readers will get pissed that the photos are so bad and go elsewhere. RIP Chicago Sun Times.

  32. Any baboon with a phone by macdaddy357 · · Score: 1

    Now, any s**t flinging baboon with a phone is a photographer. Can an iPhone focus? Can it take close-ups? Most phone I have used have a fixed focus lens that only work for distant shots.

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    1. Re:Any baboon with a phone by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      Can an iPhone focus?

      According to this, the iPhone doesn't need to focus, though it does have a "tap to focus" gesture.

      . At a focus distance of 4 feet, the iPhone 4S still has a somewhat shallow (for f/18.38, mind you!) total depth of 8.38 feet while the iPhone 4 has a total depth of 46.9 feet!

      The hyperfocal distance of the iPhone 4 is 4.354618 feet while the hyperfocal distance of the iPhone 4S is 6.333142 feet.

      It's not as if it sports a 50mm/f1.4.

  33. This will not end well: Siri as a reporter by An+dochasac · · Score: 4, Funny

    AP (Chicago transcript by Siri): President Obama's state of the unit address was... I'd rather not say. But the corndog mafia sentopolis and will in the Mideast. I don't know. Maybe the genius bar guys could answer that. But North Korean leader... I'm not allowed to delete reminders. Look... a puppy!

  34. Terrible title. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When you talk about swapping X for Y, X is the "former", and "Y" is the "replacement"

    The powers that be at Slashdot probably said "Swap our idiots editors for people who actually know english", so they fired the people who know english and hired idiots.

  35. It's a little more sophisticated than that... by sirwired · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Unless set for spot or center, modern AE algorithms are little more sophisticated than "Expose the whole scene for 18% grey." "Matrix" metering has been around for something like 25 years now. Matrix metering tries to recognize what you are trying to accomplish and adjust exposure accordingly. You are correct that it doesn't always get it right, but give them a little credit... I find that when I'm using my modern DSLR, AE gets it perfect most of the time, and produces a usable shot (as in, one salvageable for a website or newsprint) almost all the time.

    1. Re:It's a little more sophisticated than that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      does the iphone do all that?

    2. Re:It's a little more sophisticated than that... by cthulhu11 · · Score: 1

      You must not have a 5D2 -- metering on mine is nothing short of pathetic. I have EC set at +1 most of the time.

  36. camera vs smartphone by tuppe666 · · Score: 1

    Or, y'know, just get the best camera. Even a mediocre camera would probably be better than any phone camera...

    Ignoring the cost cutting exercise, or the this particular advertisement. I would argue the quality of a decent smartphone is on par or better with a mid range camera, with the advantage of a whole software environment(and always on you). In the hands of all but a decent photographer, and this had been the case for some time.

    1. Re:camera vs smartphone by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      To which I would re-iterate: optical zoom. I was watching hovering birds of prey yesterday, and having only my phone to hand (a Samsung S3 Mini with a 5mp camera), I took a few snaps. Looking at the resultant JPEGs the bird in question is indistinguishable from a duck flying in the opposite direction. If you've got some guy threatening to jump off the Sears Tower, you're going to look awfully dumb if all you can get is a wide angle shot with a tiny speck on top.

      For less than $100 you can get a compact camera with 16mp and a 10x optical zoom, and cameras are also becoming available with 3G and running Android if you need to get your images out to world in seconds.

      Also, around 50%* of the world's most interesting events happen during hours of darkness, for which you're also going to wish you had a bigger lens and a bigger sensor.

      *Actual figure may be different.

      I just read TFA:

      The iPhone has a better camera than most digital point-and-shoots [no it doesn't], and more importantly, it is in everyone’s pocket [no it isn't].

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    2. Re:camera vs smartphone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      more importantly, it is in everyone’s pocket [no it isn't].

      Presumably, Sun-Times issues iPhones to their journalists, so it is already in the pocket of everyone that matters to them.

  37. Why a Phone of all things by Vapula · · Score: 2

    I have 4 different "compact" camera (no-name,Olympus, Fujifilm and Samsung), I've taken pictures from several phones (dumb nokia, HTC and Galaxy S2 (with a 8MP sensor)... but I will never return to these now that I've my DSLR... And if I had bought one from the start, I'd never had to buy the other one.

    - less noise on low light conditions
    - much better lenses which allow real zoom (not digital zoom) and such
    - Much faster to take pictures (no delay which means that you take the precise image that you want)
    - good continuous mode (several pictures in a row, at less than 1 sec interval which allow to pick up the best one)
    - faster exposures (needed when you take picture of things which are moving, no more motion blur)
    - much better battery capacity
    - better sensivity on low light condition (due to larger lens opening)
    and so on...

    When I compage Galaxy S2 and Samsung camera (both having 8MP sensor), there is already a big difference thanks to the lens of the camera... and they both come from same manufacturer (camera is older than S2 and gives better pictures)

    My guess is that they'll revert quickly to DSLR... journalism photographers have to take picture of things that are moving most of the time... that's definitively NOT the best use case for phone's cameras.

  38. Good enough by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    is good enough. I think it was the Netscape guy who said software would eat the world. There's little or no tech left in photography. Sure, you can do a whole bunch of stuff to make the photos look nicer to a pro, but to a guy like me? I can't tell the difference. It's like your 4k displays. My eyes aren't good enough to tell.

    Basically, scratch one more profession off the list of what little Johnny can grow up to do some day.

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    1. Re:Good enough by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

      It's not the technology, it's the composition. Some really good photographers like to shoot at least occasionally with real film cameras. Why, because it makes you more deliberate in how you frame your shot. You can't just fire off a thousand pics and hope to find a good one in there. You are limited and so you need to actually practice your craft. Then they can go back to digital, but they are more likely to find the good shots right away. And besides, most times an amateur can take a thousand shots and still have shit anyway, but occasionally gets lucky. A really good shot can make a story stand out and get people to buy a copy just to read about it. Hopefully freelance photographers will be able to make a living selling to the paper, but probably not. Another notch on the MBA playing only to the shareholders, and driving North America into mediocrity.

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  39. In Related News... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...The price of wedding photography has declined to appropriate levels. Analysts cite increased competition.

  40. In other news.... by Aaron+B+Lingwood · · Score: 1

    ...Chicago Sun Times fires printing press staff; trains reporters in the use of Canon Bubblejet BJ-2000.

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    1. Re:In other news.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...Chicago Sun Times fires reporters; trains janitors to blog.

  41. They don't have any pictures anyway by Animats · · Score: 1

    Neither the Chicago Tribune nor the Chicago Sun-Times has any significant local pictures on their web site today. There's a mug shot (both papers have the same one) and a picture of some stolen merchandise (from the cops). Both are just feeds from police agencies.

    Here's a local story in its entirety: "Three people have been charged in the wake of a fatal shooting at a party in the South Side Avalon Park neighborhood. Three uninvited guests were asked to leave a family party in the 8400 block of South Constance Avenue about 10:45 p.m., Chicago Police said." That's just an entry from the police blotter. They probably have a feed for that and don't even have to send a reporter.

    There's some video of a speech, and it might have been taken with an iPhone. There's a picture of a parking meter, taken earlier this month before they fired the photographers. Nowhere are there any pictures taken of news events.

  42. Re:The paper is a joke now, but alas the story is by amiga3D · · Score: 1

    Death throws?

    Never heard of them?

    http://www.comicvine.com/death-throws/4060-41808/

  43. Notepad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is nothing. Next week, the Sun-Times will be announcing that instead of Journalism Training, they will be offering in house training on how to use the popular Microsoft Notepad.

  44. egon said it in 1986 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    print is dead

  45. What is an aperture? Who gives a shit? by FuzzNugget · · Score: 2
  46. iPhone vs. Pro Cameras by k6mfw · · Score: 1

    When you have a shoulder ENG camera like the news guys, then people think you are media so you can access (depending on situation) areas not normally available to typical camcorder person. But trend is towards smaller cameras and pretty soon if you have a shoulder cam even if it is a Panasonic P2 HD, everyone will think "old technology." I also see trend of TV set going the wayside as more people watch video on their phones or computers (in a small youtube window), which you can't blame them as television programming has become really bad these days (i.e. Syfy is now a wrestling channel, History is now WWII channel, Discovery is ?, etc.). So for video the iPhone may be just fine, but you still need to have skill (using your brain) to compose a good video.

    So how will someone of journalistic differentiate themselves from the commoners with iPhones? I say you need a team of three: A cameraman with a midsize cam all tricked out with a mic on a cylindrical shock absorber, rectangle LED lamp, and a dual antenna diversity wireless mic receiver. Talent can be a pretty girl. But should have a soundman with mic in a big fussy sock on a long boom and packs a extensive sound set on his belly with several slider potentiometers and many diversity receiver antennas. Oh, and the soundman should be a 20-something with piercings and tatoos.

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    1. Re:iPhone vs. Pro Cameras by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      which you can't blame them as television programming has become really bad these days

      I know, right? The old television was all beautiful and rose-coloured.

      Actually, I disagree that "TV these days is bad".

      Don't get me wrong, there is plenty of crap. But there always was. There is also more crap, but then again there is more in general.

      There are decent shows on TV and the quality of the best over the last 3 or 4 years is not significantly different from the quality of the best over the 3 or 4 years before that. All that's lacking at the moment is some decent sci-fi, but TV shows go in cycles and fashions like everything else.

      And you know what else? There are decent films being produced too.

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  47. Why do they need to take photos? by Seumas · · Score: 1

    The majority of newspaper content is just reprinted AP bullshit. Don't need your own photographs for that.

  48. Amateur Crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The big joke is the Chicago Sun Times itself...once a respectable newspaper, now transforming itself into little more than an amateur blog.

    - Emphasis mine

    The thing about a blog is that it's done for love, and not money. (Amatuer comes from Amare - latin for love)

    Money is orthogonal to quality. The democratization of blogging has certainly allowed many half-assed attempts by the masses, but it also allowed some truly stellar efforts to bloom.

    The reason a professional photographer gets good results is that they are primarily focused on the photography. They've paid to do it, and have been for a long time, it's the one thing they optimize on. Remove that focus, you get crap.

    The only substitute is for amateurs to do it, but they won't do it for money, when or where you want, and their goals will be different than those of the publications.

  49. Not much into photography.. by Junta · · Score: 1

    But even I can tell a world of difference between professional photographer with good equipment and random guy with a cell phone.

    Embedded camera in cell phone is necessarily restricted in terms of optics. You can play with the sensor all you want, but the optics simply cannot do the sorts of things a good camera can do.

    There is still a lot of things that require some knowledge in operating a camera in order to get a good photo.

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    1. Re:Not much into photography.. by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      Embedded camera in cell phone is necessarily restricted in terms of optics. You can play with the sensor all you want, but the optics simply cannot do the sorts of things a good camera can do.

      I've got a cheap android phone with a 3.2MP camera. I've got an old Konica Minolta DiMAGE Z10 that takes a better picture It even takes a better picture than the 5MP camera in my cheap old used table, Dell Streak 7. It's all aobut the optics and settings it can do.

      There is still a lot of things that require some knowledge in operating a camera in order to get a good photo,

      Yes but I don't think a college degree is necessary, photojounalism should be more of a trade-school thing. Would make the career more accessable to those who aren't already affluent too. (I think there's an old photography joke about how many pro sports photographers are ex doctors and lawyers... photography is their hobby and then they make enough at thei profession to bankroll their start in their "photography fanboy career"

    2. Re:Not much into photography.. by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      Embedded camera in cell phone is necessarily restricted in terms of optics. You can play with the sensor all you want, but the optics simply cannot do the sorts of things a good camera can do.

      Extrapolate that too much and you'll end up with large format photography.

    3. Re:Not much into photography.. by SenseiLeNoir · · Score: 1

      I can tell the difference between a "beginner" and a "professional" irregardless of what they are using. A professional with a camera phone, will tend to record the moment better than an amateur clicking away with a fancy DSLR on automatic mode that he or she bought at Best Buy to show off!

      In fact most pros have a bit of a dont care attitude about their tools, because ultimately its whats in their head, and their skills that make the photo.

      Ultimately though, it doesn't matter what tool, or the skill of the photographer, if the photo is a recording of a once in a lifetime event.......

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    4. Re:Not much into photography.. by Lew-the-nerd · · Score: 1

      I can tell the difference between a "beginner" and a "professional" irregardless of what they are using. A professional with a camera phone, will tend to record the moment better than an amateur clicking away with a fancy DSLR on automatic mode that he or she bought at Best Buy to show off!

      In fact most pros have a bit of a dont care attitude about their tools, because ultimately its whats in their head, and their skills that make the photo.

      Ultimately though, it doesn't matter what tool, or the skill of the photographer, if the photo is a recording of a once in a lifetime event.......

      several points:

      good to great photos depend on opportunity and ability. Yes, even a klutz can possibly record an unexpected event - and there are klutzes everywhere

      but a good photographer with better equipment will virtually always make a better photo no matter the situation. So when the editor wants photos, he/she shouldn't have only a klutz to depend on.

      AND:

      'irregardless' isn't a word. Try 'regardless.'

  50. Re:The paper is a joke now, but alas the story is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't get it, are we talking about Playboy or a NEWSpaper? Who cares about photo quality in a newspaper, I truly do read them for the articles and for every photo in the paper there are 10 videos and 100 photos on the web that tell the story as well and from multiple angles.

    In the past, news photos were taken by pro cameras because that was the only viable option. Not any more, you have to be a traditionalist, photography snob, or really shallow to judge the quality of a newspaper by the equipment used to shoot the photos.

  51. Re:The paper is a joke now, but alas the story is by g01d4 · · Score: 1

    It's been my experience that quality photos can enhance almost any story. If a picture is worth a thousand words it matters who's composing it. Using pro equipment with more features improves the chance of a obtaining a quality photo.

  52. Written word Journalism will also suffer by An+dochasac · · Score: 2

    If you're following the news about Google Glass, you'll have heard that some people hate having their picture taken. This is a fact that nearly every photojournalist has to deal with. Only those who've been in the industry a very long time will be able to blend into the background and capture the scene without becoming themselves a reality-distorting distraction. The best will do this without disturbing the relationship and trust the reporter must build with the people being interviewed. They might even become "the bad cop" (does anyone remember The Animal from Lou Grant? That jerk photographer that both the interviewee and reporter can share a laugh and a beer with while the reporter builds her story.

    Give the reporter an iPhone or DSLR or Google Glass and the reporter becomes that jerk photographer. The relationship between reporter and interviewee disappears as quickly as you can say, "So-long Chicago Sun-Times."

  53. Happenstance, coincidence, enemy action by Indigo · · Score: 1

    It should come as absolutely no surprise to anyone that the same CEO that canned the Sun-Times photo staff did the same thing at Newsday in 2008. See for instance, Vincent Laforet's blog on the layoffs. But these aren't isolated instances.

    The new millenium has not been kind to newspapers. Certainly the newspapers are under great pressure from blogs, social media, and other Internet sources. There may also be an element of union busting in these actions. But from what I've seen over the years, there is a much larger element of simple greed following the familiar script of buy out the companies, dump half the staff, make the survivors do the jobs of the laid off as well as their own, count the dough. The continued existence of quality newspaper journalism in this country is quite remarkable considering the owners' continued efforts to get rid of the people who produce it.

    Can we get along without traditional newspapers? Absolutely. Are we still losing something of tremendous value? Without a doubt. Will blogs pick up the slack? I hope so, but I just don't see it. There are a lot of truly great blogs out there. I follow a number of them. But to think they will make up for the depth and breadth of professional journalism that's disappearing before our eyes is naively optimistic.

  54. Has anyone made a "companion" camera yet? by steveha · · Score: 1

    Has any camera maker yet made a camera that is designed to interoperate with your phone?

    I'd love a compact pocket camera that would zap photos over to my phone via Bluetooth or NFC or heck, even WiFi. I much prefer the low-light performance of a larger camera lens, and even a pocket camera has better zoom features.

    And of course I want a camera I can charge with micro USB so I don't have one more charger to deal with.

    Does anyone make such a camera yet?

    P.S. Obligatory: "...the companion camera will never threaten to stab you, and in fact cannot speak."

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    1. Re:Has anyone made a "companion" camera yet? by lorax · · Score: 1

      Lots of the Nikon Coolpix cameras come with wifi and claim to connect to your smartphone/tablet. Haven't used one so I don't know how well it works, but look at the S5200, S6500, or S9500.

    2. Re:Has anyone made a "companion" camera yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are a number of point-and-shoots with wifi built-in--I know Nikon and Canon both build them, and others probably have them too.

      Currently, the only DSLR with built-in wifi is Canon EOS 6D. Nikon sells wifi adaptors for some of their models, and Eye-fi cards can be fitted into a number of DLSRs.

  55. iPhones? They should use Nokia Lumias by elabs · · Score: 1

    The iPhone has one of the WORST cameras of any of the mobile platforms. If they are serious about switching from DSLRs to a mobile device they should really be using Nokia Lumias with their PureView cameras. It's just as easy to use as an iPhone and the picture quality is far superior. In fact, they should wait until July when the 41-megapixel sensor comes out on the Lumia EOS (codename "Elvis").

  56. Keep the photographers fire the MBAs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Which just shows that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

    Photographers are actually highly skilled professionals, unlike what seems to pass for journalists now, and the shitty phone cameras aren't nearly as capable as the DSLRs is, especially a full frame camera like a D4. And all the phone cameras are shit, no exceptions.

    And now they're expecting the half assed journalists to be both photographers ad journalists? They can't even do one job well, much less 2. So good by Chicago Sun Times.

    It would make much more financial sense for them to fire everyone with an MBA, starting with the dumbass who came up with this plan to begin with.

  57. Former freelancer here... by W2IRT · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I shot freelance for a newspaper in Toronto during the 80s and 90s. And although the work was a lot of fun, I think its time is long over. Consider the adage from dead tree papers: If it bleeds it leads. How many different, artistic ways can you shoot the following, that hasn't been done a zillion times in the past:
    1) Large or medium-sized structure fire--this was my specialty.
    2) Personal injury accident.
    3) Victim(s) being transported.
    4) Reminder to set clocks ahead/back.
    5) Look how Hot/Cold/Snowy/Icy the weather was yesterday!
    6) Perp walk or subject under arrest.
    7) Politician making a speech on in a media scrum.
    8) Drug/weapons seizure evidence on the table.
    9) Presentation of a giant cheque to a lottery winner or charitable .org.
    10) Devastation after a large natural disaster, governor/official doing official tour
    11) Sad kid/parent after a bully stole their lunch money, bicycle or all the toys for Christmas presents at the poor house.

    Now. Go fetch today's paper (good doggie!). How many of the above items do you see in the hard news section? Now factor this: If it's a major disaster, fire, accident, etc, the news editor will be fielding calls from hundreds of people with photos of the event. Probably some with pro-sumer levels of kit. If that isn't available they'll buy a wireservice image and run it. Everything else mentioned is shootable with a phonecam or a shirt-pocket cam, and the level of knowledge needed to shoot it is somewhere between "f/8-and-be-there," and "push-here-stupid."

    Sports is an entirely different kettle of fish, and I don't know how they're going to handle Bulls/Black Hawks/Bears/Cubs/Sox games. Again, probably just buy freelancers' materials or stuff off the wires.

    Gone are the days when a newspaper NEEDS actual photographs. Unless you're living under a rock the audience already knows what the governor looks like, what a perp-walk looks like, a building fire, a traffic accident or the President making a speech. We can get that anywhere. The hard news reporting is what I care about (not that there's all that much of it these days). Pretty pictures I can find online. They made the right call.

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    1. Re:Former freelancer here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meanwhile, every newspaper site is becoming a photo-heavy, text light abomination that is designed for tablets with great big text and 3 stories per page, usually with no text-only option. I tells ya, the golden age of the internet is over just as surely as the golden age of newspapers is.

  58. Double Fail by bobbutts · · Score: 1

    Technical limitations: The iphone has a fixed focal length and aperture as well as a tiny sensor. The situations where this will suffice for composition and exposure are much smaller than even a $300 consumer camera.

    Human: Getting the camera into the situation where it is capable of capturing the desired shot and then actually doing it with everything in the frame in focus and as intended is a skilled endeavor. Amateurs attempting this with technically limited devices are likely to fail at an unacceptably high rate (in the context of professional journalism).

  59. I don't see why not by sirwired · · Score: 1

    I don't see why the iPhone wouldn't use matrix metering. It's trivial to implement, the algorithms should be available for low cost from just about any camera company if they don't care to write their own.

  60. I've owned "pro" photog gear for 25 years by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    I shot for my college paper with an F4s and publicity shots for a travelling performing group with that and a Pentax 67. I currently own a D3 (second hand from a pro moving up to a D3s, fwiw) and lenses with f/2.8 apertures from 14mm all the way up to 300mm, plus some sub f/2.0 lenses in the middle. I carried a Yashika T4 super for many years in my pocket. I sigh every time I think of how I much I want TechPan back - I used to buy it in 100' rolls and re-spool it myself.

    I handed my D3 to my wife this weekend as I took the dance floor with my daughter, in full automatic mode. Not a single photo was focused perfectly; many were pretty far off. Though there were subjects in every frame which were tack sharp, she didn't know how to use the camera to make sure HER subject was the focus subject. She didn't know how to increase the aperture to increase the depth of focus, or even that she needed to. She would have gotten better shots with her iPhone.

    Here's my point - you CAN get better shots with a trained pro and top gear. The question is (1) do you NEED them and (2) are you willing to PAY for them. What some people have realized is that if you miss the perfect shot, nobody will ever know. The expectation/quality that the general public has been trained to is at such a low level they'll be happy with a decent security cam shot run through several filters. It's awful, but true.

    So I ask - how much more is it worth to have one perfect shot? What if you got the perfect shot every single day of the year - front page, in color, capturing the perfect moment? Is it worth $10,000 a day? What if they only get that "perfect" shot once a week? Is that worth $60,000? Because that's what it's costing them. I think it's a sucky move, too, but in a time when reporters are getting laid off and 3/4+ of my local paper is AP stories I read yesterday on the internet, it's an expensive item to keep.

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  61. Well..... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1
    There is something a lot more important than the technology used to take the photo.

    The person behind the camera. My main duty before I retired was as a professional photographer and videographer. And without a doubt, a pro will get decent photos no matter the technology, and most non-pros photos will be not so good. The converse is not true however.

    I've seen this a number of times. People who believed that the key to getting a good photo was the equipment you used to take it. The professional equipment, with all it's different adjustments, tends to get in the way of the non-photographer, and they add the issue of the wrong thing being in focus, or underexposed. So they might borrow some of my equipment because I was "too expensive" Then I would try to resurrect bad negatives, and later on do a lot of photoshopping. So they paid me anyhow, and for marginal images when this happened

    This will probably happen to the Sun Times people a few times, as they find out the limitations of both the iPhone and the people using it.

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  62. Re:Slashdot Editors: by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    Yes there's certainly a tech angle in the CLAIM that you can replace a real camera with a phone. That is a claim that is very likely to be in dispute as there are quite a lot of people that have done photography with these devices.

    A good artist can take decent photos with an old Diana Camera - for those not familiar, it was a plastic camera with a plastic lens, and simple shutter and F-stop adjustments. They often leaked a little light, and the lenses had weird spatial and color distortions. And in the right hands, they could produce dreamlike photos that were awesome. Not photojournalism material though.

    They will very soon find the limitations of the iPhone or any other smartphone camera. My equipment can light up an entire room when I need to use it, the different lenses give completely different looks. I can freeze motion or allow a bit of blur. Smartphone cameras take "lensey looking photos because their short focal length tiny lenses tend to have either all be in focus, or all out of focus. MOst I see look like slightly better quality 110 camera photos.

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  63. Re:The paper is a joke now, but alas the story is by kermidge · · Score: 1

    We're not allowed to toss midgets anymore, so it's on to cadavers.

  64. Why even a phone? by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

    I dunno how much an iphone goes for nowadays but wouldn't it be much better to just give them all a 650d or equivalent, a quick course on actual photography and then send them loose. Green square by default. It's much quicker and more professional looking to lift a proper looking camera and snap something than to mess around unlocking the iscreen, pressing the iicon for the icamera then taking your iphoto which will probably end up looking like complete arse unless it's a close up on something, a portrait of a willing subject or scenery shot.

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  65. hahaa by grenadeh · · Score: 1

    lololol oh Chicago, you silly. But no seriously, iphone training....for a bad point and click, low res camera. Nice.

  66. Our declining standards by bobcote · · Score: 1

    More evidence on how consumers are willing to accept lower standards in their media. "News" programs invite views to submit their video and pictures for broadcast. This means cell quality images and even worse sound. Yet we accept it. Yes iPhones take decent pictures for personal use and Facebook, but do we really want history recorded with a cheap lens and someone who has no natural talent for composing a shot. I can't wait to see pictures of the president, Prime Minister of England and the PM of Canada posing huddled close together with their heads leaning into each other like a sorority reunion in a bar.

  67. Very bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its not to do a professional news daily. May be its the end of professional pictures in that media ....

  68. Must be trying to save on bandwith too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most professionals uses too many pixels.

    It's a joke. Don't flame folks.