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Turkish PM: "To Me, Social Media Is the Worst Menace To Society."
PolygamousRanchKid writes "Turkey's prime minister on Sunday rejected claims that he is a 'dictator,' dismissing protesters as an extremist fringe even as thousands returned to the landmark Istanbul square that has become the site of the fiercest anti-government outburst in years. With Turkish media otherwise giving scant reports about the protests, many turned to social media outlets for information on the unrest. 'There is now a menace which is called Twitter,' Erdogan said. 'The best examples of lies can be found there. To me, social media is the worst menace to society.' 'The people are finally standing up, speaking up and fighting for their rights,' said Hakan Tas, a deputy for the Left Party in Berlin's local assembly, who took part in the protest."
Dictators don't like free speech for many reasons. Someone else would do a better job of listing them than me.
For me, Ergodan sounds likes a real menace to turkish society.
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. - Voltaire
Forget the plans to replace the park (the last remaining public park with trees in the city) with yet another shopping mall. That's all the protesters want! It's all over real estate developers wanting to bulldoze a park.
JUST LET THEM HAVE THE PARK!
Is this magical alternate reality where twitter is the most menacing issue of the day accepting applications? It must be pretty nice to have solved so many actual problems!
Near-revolution brewing in an American ally, and nearly zero mention on the home pages of CNN, Fox or MSNBC.
We now return you to the Kardashians. Sigh.
As and deceiver with thirst for power finds out, knowledge and information is the enemy. No surprise.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Now I have to like Twitter :(
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... he'd have had support from a substantial portion of the Slashdot readership.
The correlation between ignorance of statistics and using "correlation is not causation" as an argument is close to 1.
For leaders of restrictive governments, not for society.
Every society that can be destroyed by social media should be.
Dictators don't like it when people can communicate.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
Ha, wait till he visits 4chan
who prays for Satan? Who in 18 centuries has had the humanity to pray for the 1 sinner that needed it most? ~Mark Twain
I suppose its only fair to link to some of the social media photos.
Obviously for different reasons.
It creates zombies.
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Last week, at a metro station in capital city of Turkey, a couple who we were hugging and kissing, warned by officers. Next day, about 50 people protested it, one of them injured with a knife by an extreme islamist.
Today in the same speech with his comments about twitter, to a question about this incident, he replied as "yes, i support officer; people must obey moral rules!"
... who can't control the message.
Seriously, this guy is a religious loon (yes, I know there are far crazier ones, but that doesn't make him a calm, sane guy).
And people use these wild and crazy social networks to propagate ideas that don't agree with his -- or with those of the goat herding primitives who made up his religion, among a couple of others. People might question their beliefs ... and his authority ... and the authority of his imaginary father figure in the sky! The world would end if that happened!
Social Media could be considered the serving back to the politicians the medicine they been dishing out to the people.
I don't care if he's of Turkish origin, if he left his country and became a German citizen, he has no right to go protest.
..Only if you're a fascist c*nt.
If you disagree, feel free to abuse the mod system and mod me down.
If I hadn't commented already, I would mod you down as troll.
Not because of your opinion, but because you fail to explain why you feel he's right.
Using your karma cushion is a poor example of expressing your opinion.
There are fewer illiterates than people who can't read.
To be fair, this is out of context... the Berlin Left Part member Hakan Tas is not even Turkish, participated in the protest, and wasn't arrested. How many countries allow foreign nationals to protest against the government of a country for which they are not a citizen?
In addition, the thing that's pissing most people off there is not that they are removing trees, it's that they plan to build a mosque in the area.
"Nowadays, "news" means Slashdot, Reddit and other blogs and aggregators.
Sadly, they also are overrun by the industry, pushing their designed realities into everything."
True story..
Social media is a tool no different than any other tool. People who go out of their way to understand the tools they use rarely encounter problems with them. But like an inexperienced driver climbing behind the wheel after having "only a few" drinks, too many people browse social media sites as if every word is fact, unaware that nearly everything written online should be taken with a healthy dose of skepticism. But there's no helping people who will believe a FB group about the moon landing being fake while dismissing contradicting posts like this as part of the government cover-up. As long as there are people who thrive in the social experience of collective willful ignorance, every tool can become a menace to society. That doesn't mean we should take them all away.
Does this rag smell like chloroform to you?
Social Media is a tool that can be used by both sides.
What this guy has done to stop a bunch of people defending a park from destruction deserves prison time but a bigger offense is how little western media is reporting on it as they could have stopped this already. Because of this he will win this battle through force of arms alone, already a number of his people have died hopefully the number will remain low but 1 is already too many.
He will in the end loose the country and be forced to answer for his crimes, the west needs to distance itself from people like this now as perception of full support is a big part of the worldwide problem when it comes to dictators.
It wont happen of course, we great at repeating old mistakes.
I'm sure that what he really wanted to say was: "Social media is the biggest threat to my government".
Because in that case, I agree.
Because it destroys artifical fabric of society they try to create - as they would have any chance in this. In same time they enjoy their social networks (trough websites and tv) which allows them to live in bubble of selective memory.
Also for what I have heard for last five years, quite big part of Turkish society has all reasons to hate current goverment. Yes, they are democractically elected, but that doesn't mean they can't listen to opposition. They have to - if they want to stay longer in their place.
And using full blown police against peacful protest will fireback any time. Trust me.
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The value of opinion does not change depending on the media used to convey it.
"The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
I sincerely believe he is wrong.
There, just added exactly the same amount to the conversation as you did.
Taxation is legalized theft, no more, no less.
I agree with you, mostly because I've seen how the opposition parties in my home country use social media to report incidents.
Or better yet create them.
I'm talking about a extreme left opposition which barely attains 10% of the votes in the country's legislative elections, and some decades ago were behind a coup attempt to overthrow a democratically ellected government.
They have people on their payroll assigned to follow around government members and cause public incidents supposedly demonstrating popular opposition, and they allways bring their camera crews with them. One time they tried to pull a propaganda stunt while the health minister was making a public appearance on a medical school, and the protest which was supposed to look as if medical students were protesting the government ended up looking like a half dozen guys tried to crash the event, due to the fact that all medical students happened to be wearing white lab coats and the professional protesters, which they were not.
Another time, a few months ago, there was a nation wide protest and these propaganda professionals placed the party leaders in the croud giving interviews about how the people supported them and wanted the government to be overthrown, and while they were stating that the entire nation was supporting their extreme left party and their policies, in the background the passer by's were screaming that they were worse than the government, that no one wanted to have anything to do with them and that they should leave.
So, propaganda now has become cheaper to produce and cheaper to distribute. If even small companies have enough resources to mount PR campaigns to manipulate the public perception towards their product, imagine what an unscrupulous political party can and does do.
He misspelled "Authoritarianism"
And the next step beyond dictatorship will be a Caliphate
Near-revolution brewing in an American ally, and nearly zero mention on the home pages of CNN, Fox or MSNBC.
We now return you to the Kardashians. Sigh.
front page of cnn.
front page of bbc.
picture galleries on foxnews. THIS IS THE BIGGEST FUCKING LIE OF THE WEEKEND! THAT THE MEDIA WASN'T COVERING IT! THEY FUCKING ARE!!
the only place where they aren't covering it as much is inside turkey, though even there pm has made statements about it to media.
you know what happens? dimwits read on social media that it's not reported and they don't even fucking check the news! because they don't read the news!
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
The police is reacting extremely violent in the protests against Erdogan, the Turkish prime Minister. Streets were littered with tear gas canisters. Several people have been killed or shot and who knows how many people are wounded.
In the mean time CNN Turkey is showing a documentary about penguins and also other news organisations in Turkey are ignoring the protests.
Facebook and Twitter do indeed play an important role in the protests. For instance it helps organize medical aid for wounded and communication about the severe cases that need urgent help and need to be transported to a hospital.
Privacy is terrorism.
Say what you will about reddit, they're just another community information outlet. This post explains what's going on pretty well, and gives insight as to why the issue won't easily be resolved.
See, it's not all idiots. There users have the capability classify and sort and let good discussions and explanations bubble up, without the daft as rocks editorial approval required (like here), but you have to know where to look.
The Turkish PM is leaving the country, for an official visit to Morocco. Leaving the country in the middle of conflict - and he will probably try to get support for invading Syria. This attitude is what protesters are protesting, and that's why the guy marks social network as a "menace".
I imagine most dictators don't like any tool which gives people the power of communication.
So my dear Turkish Government Propaganda Operative, I really sympathize with your rodents. Not.
Having elections doesn't mean you have a democracy if your elected representative behaves like a dictator.
Privacy is terrorism.
Gladly. I should really start with a brief commentary on the Turkish military's political role. It sounds appalling to Europeans and Americans without proper explanation.
So Turkey is founded as a secular democracy. We're constantly under religious influences because of our geopolitical location, and the military's "unofficial" role as the guardian of these secular principles is frankly the only reason why we haven't descended into Sharia law like most of the Middle Eastern Islamic nations. Due to some archaic law that nobody wants to repeal, politicians in Turkey have legal immunity. This used to be necessary to ensure that politicians are never persecuted for their ideologies, but since then it has devolved into a shelter to hide in for crooks, criminals and Islamists. So whenever there's a government that oversteps its bounds and either infringes upon these secular principles or abuses the legal protection bestowed upon them, the military stages a coup, kicks the government out, holds elections and put in place a new, democratically-elected civilian secularist government before retreating back into its corner. This has happened twice in the past, one of which ended with abuse of power for a while on the part of the military. It's far from ideal (as is many other things pertaining to the Turkish brand of democracy) but in the current state of things, the threat of this has become a necessary evil. Just wanted to detail it because it's relevant to the rise of AKP over the years.
Anyways, year 2002, these AKP idiots come out of nowhere. They're all proteges of past Islamic governments that the military has ousted. They manage to win the elections with a ridiculous parliamentary super-majority out of only 34% of the vote, simply because the remainder was so fragmented and opposition parties were stagnant. Testament to how broken the system is. Either way, they come to power and for their first term, their only real sin is that they basically sold off a ton of national assets for outrageously low prices (obvious corruption). There was some outrage but people are apathetic just as they are in the US and more often than not don't care.
Fast forward to year 2007, opposition parties get together on secularist principles for the sake of defeating AKP. At first, it's a pretty close race (2-3%). Then YSK's (supreme election board) servers crash. Power outages in key districts in Istanbul and Ankara, followed by ballot boxes getting "lost". YSK then finds a conflict of data on their servers in recovery and deletes an entire chunk of the votes to resolve it. What was a close race before suddenly turns into an AKP win with 51% of the vote. How? The voter participation allegedly rose by an unprecedented 20% since 2002 and AKP got just about all of it. Any sane person should at the very least be skeptical about this stuff.
They grow bolder. Out of nowhere, they conjure up this investigation into a clandestine ultra-nationalist secularist organization that allegedly has been plotting a coup against the government. They call it Ergenekon, and then proceed to imprison quite a number of high ranked, decorated veteran military officers with accusations of conspiracy against the government. Journalists start speaking out and publishing contradictory evidence, and then they get thrown in jail alongside the officers with the exact same accusations. AKP appoints sympathizing judges and police chiefs to head the investigation (read: witch hunt). Evidence gets regularly mishandled. Instead of making copies on the spot for both the defendants and persecutors, police confiscates entire computers and then mysteriously comes out with incriminating documents that simply cannot be verified. Courts accept what is obviously questionable/shady evidence. No real convictions are made, but military officers and journalists are kept imprisoned nonetheless. Stripped of its top tier officers, the military is naturally now in disarray. AKP appoints sympathetic replacements. Mission accomplished. The one thing that protected Turkey fro
Too many people don't spend enough time thinking before they speak or act. The end result is too many easily tricked, used or become brainless appendages of a mob.
To the extent any of the protests are without merit or otherwise undeserved acting stupid and foolish in return only makes your problems worse.
Go fuck yourself. BE is nothing like that. Fucking laranjas podres can go eat a dick.
You can go back as far as Free Masons. They were demonized for being a "secret society." Of course, they only became secret because they were opposing the inquisition and hegemony of the Catholic Church. Sure, they were accused of "trying to control the world in secret" by the power which was controlling the world in the open.
Ever wonder why the Fox News is vehemently demonized even for telling the truth? Not, it's not for all the vitriolic reasons you are used to spewing. It's because as every new-comer they had to do something other than the established centralized media. So they assumed a right-of-center position until the actual political power turned too far left (so that Fox could shift further towards the center). But the point is that they had to be demonized because they didn't fall in line with the centralized news media hegemony.
Remember the attack on the short-wave radio around 10 years ago? Why? If they were so far right, why wasn't there a market for a far-left short-wave radios?
Because the left-of-center market was held by the centralized media hegemony. Why was it impossible to have a fiscally conservative and socially liberal party? Because that's where most of the people's preferences actually lie. But then the centralized media would have no fire to pour oil on if such a party came power. They needed a fight to cover or they were out of business.
Except when the Internet came and all the independent news sources and small-time reporters decided not play by the rules. Some went full-on left. Some went full-on right. And some went reasonable. Hegemony doesn't like a true marketplace of ideas. It likes to be caught advocating for a true marketplace of ideas. Twitter is too free to be controlled. The wave of opinion can catch on like fire, go viral, and destroy months, if not years, of general conditioning. Of course, the hegemony will call it demonic. It's exactly how they fought the ideas spread by Free Masons.
Any guest worker system is indistinguishable from indentured servitude.
You think your country is immune to an internet clampdown? I suggest not. Centralised messaging services are a prime target for government shutdowns, so you need to be able to use decentralised ones and abandon the glitzy graphics. Of course, it helps to get this stuff downloaded and ready before the clampdown, and to be prepared to distribute it on USB sticks and CDs. Local hackerspaces are good for this.
May I recommend Project Byzantium which has a self-configuring mesh and messaging system, runs on PCs, Macs and even a Raspberry Pi, and is designed to cope with such "Byzantine Network Failures."
Sounds paranoid? Not so much in Turkey at the moment...
Why were you quick to mention Bloco de Esquerda? Why the quick association between mounting coordinated propaganda campaigns and Bloco de Esquerda?
It's as if you acknowledge it but want to keep the propaganda effort going.
Press TV resumes transmission on Nilesat
Sun Jun 2, 2013 3:50PM
In recent months, Eutelsat’s Israeli-French CEO Michel de Rosen has stepped up his restrictive campaign against the Iranian media by appealing to major satellite providers in Europe and Asia to silence them."
Egypt’s satellite provider Nilesat has resumed its transmission of Press TV three days after the 24-hour English-language news channel was jammed.
Press TV was back on Nilesat on Sunday at 12:30 GMT after the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting (IRIB) informed the Egyptian company of the switching off of the Iranian channel.
France's Eutelsat is a satellite company providing services on Nilesat. Eutelsat has refused to reveal the source of jamming of Press TV.
In recent months, Eutelsat’s Israeli-French CEO Michel de Rosen has stepped up his restrictive campaign against the Iranian media by appealing to major satellite providers in Europe and Asia to silence them.
Eutelsat has removed several Iranian satellite channels citing European Union (EU) regulations as the reason behind their move.
The bloc, however, has denied the claims by satellite companies.
In a controversial move, Eutelsat had previously ordered Hispasat in Spain to stop broadcasting the Spanish-language Hispan TV as well as Press TV in Spain and Latin America.
The campaign against Iranian media outlets has revealed the true face of the West, which preaches respect for human rights and free speech but practices the opposite.
Not Turk, Portuguese.
Two simple Cantennas can transform a 100m Wifi connection into a 5km directional data link. Amateur radio operators have reported up to 70km Wifi links using a cantenna mounted on a 1,5m parabolic dish, using just 0.1Watts of Power !!
http://www.educypedia.be/electronics/Wlan-antenna/wlan-antennas2.htm
http://www.nodomainname.co.uk/parabolic/parabolic.htm
Now, mount the Cantenna on an H2 balloon-based, stabilized platform and hoist the Cantenna/parabolic about 100m into the air and then experience tremendous ranges of easily 50km or more, if you have line-of-sight. The Platform would basically be a sphere which contains a computer-controlled system that ensures the cantenna will be pointed into the right direction vector. Of course, hoist the balloon only at night or face the government.
Other means of communication such as PMR radios should work even better (haven't tried that yet, though), as they have more power and lower frequencies. I guess you can easily make it 150km with a PMR radio mounted in the correct Cantenna setup. Then hook the PMR into your sound card an transmit data at 20kbit or so. That's not dramatic, but certainly more than enough for plenty of text messaging and the odd picture.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PMR446#Range
Of course, don't forget to encrypt everything using GNUpg or TrueCrypt. Simple and quite effective.
Twitter is a threat. To repressive government and corporate oppressors everywhere. Other kinds of social media too. And that internet thing. Big threat. Also, telephones, computers, pens, pencils, paper and talking.
But oh yes. Quite right. That social communication thing. Very dangerous.... to government and corporate dictators.
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Why? Because its open to anyone and its completely anonymous. Those two things alone mean you are going to see a metric shit ton of skewed information, bad information, outright false information, opinions from small minded people, people who contribute that don't know the whole story or even have any real first hand knowledge of it.
People absolutely love to complain and search out for things to cry foul on and they will ignore facts and blindly rush to assume and judge anything they possibly can in the way that suits their personal mindset.
It is just a deluge of information from allover the globe constantly streaming in with no kind of qualifications or anything. What makes it even worse is no one knows who is telling the truth, who is lying or who really has no idea what they are talking about.
All of those especially count when it comes to negative things. I saw someone post a video of a white cop yelling at this black girl and roughly arresting her. Everyone, thousands of people on reddit were all raging at the police. Calling them racist, the cop should lose his job, he should be arrested, how the police are corrupt and all this other garbage. It wasn't till days later someone showed the entire video showing the officer calmly starting out talking to the girl because she was causing a commotion screaming in her phone in a bus station and upsetting people. She started talking back to him, cursing at him and when he tried to take her outside to calm down she started pushing and hitting him. Anyone can make anything they want seem bad and everyone else will automatically jump on board with negative reactions online regardless of if they know the real truth or not. And that's just an example of how if you show a video or picture you can show or not show anything you want to support yourself. A simple edit and a brief comment can drastically alter its perception.
The problem with social media is its completely free to be used by anyone for anything they want regardless of if they are a real reporter stating facts, or just some kid who wants to start some big flame war and stir up trouble just for entertainments sake.
And its awful because everyone else that ever see's it, those billions of people online around the world never, I mean ever question the material. They read some stupid post and see some pictures and automatically assume it is 100% fact.
Social media is a very dangerous thing.
And you would be misusing the moderation system if you did. A "troll" moderation should not be used in place of "I disagree" or "you haven't given me the information I wanted". In those instances you should not use any moderation points and save them to promote other more deserving posts. If you don't understand how to use the moderation system, you have no place telling others how to author their own posts.
if someone is elected by a majority that wants the minority tortured and exterminated, that is the democratic outcome
You have just hit the difference between a democratic regime and a republic.
Perhaps now Turkey can see the value of rule of law in the environmental policy and the related participatory rights.
You really shouldn't be commenting on the use of the moderation, as you clearly don't have a clue. Trifish's post consisted of one utterly useless and trivial statement that is little more than "Me too!", which is in and of itself reason enough to mod a post down: it contributes nothing and just takes up space. Might have as well posted some frosty piss. On top of that, Trifish tries to goad moderators by explicitly stating that any downmod is the same as a disagreement, and therefore illegitimate and abusive. That is, by itself, also a reason to downmod a post.
In short, we have two statements in his post, each of which merit a downmod for different reasons. Now stop digging before you start to pull out First Amendment and groupthink arguments.
Those who can, do. Those who can't, sue.
Yes, I suppose being hung by the neck until dead is quote the menace to totalitarian assholes.
Where he says on national TV. @0.08 'Twitter denen bir bela var' (A menace called Twitter)
Where Turkish PM Erdoan says on national TV. @0.08 'Twitter denen bir bela var' (A menace called Twitter)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIkqBdE0Fn8
I think any retard who says Social Media is the worst menace to society, is themselves a menace to society of the worst possible kind.
This guy has been a leader in Turkey for a decade already. In many democracies he would have expired his term limits by now.
society is the greatest threat to the prime minister.
Obviously, Turkey still has quite some issues to resolve: the Northern Cyprus problem, and now this. Not to mention the frequent clashes with Greece, and the suppression of the Kurdish minority.
Religous speak to God. Insane are spoken to by God. When all shut up, one can finally hear Shostakovich in peace
democratic governments, the right, the commercial interests, the religions, the science, the ordinary man.
EVERYONE hates free speech.
EVERY
ONE.
Occupy Wall Street was hated by many ordinary people (and most libertarians) because "they got in the way of people doing their daily job". Free speech isn't wanted if it's noticed.
You here don't like this PM's free speech, hence ridicule it.
Social networking gives everyone the right to speak as loud as everyone else and can make fringe elements seem a LOT more numerous because nobody in general gives a fuck about it, so don't say.
The only ones who love it are the fringe groups.
Of course, being fringe idiot nutcases, they don't like anyone else getting as much free speech. See WBC: they're fine with their "right to protest" but they HATE anyone slagging them off. See also Scientology.
Todays "social media" is much more of a bane than a boon, but for none of the reasons given by the Turkish PM.
Visit CryptoGnome in his home.
I live in Turkey currently (American living abroad) and its not at all an "Islamic" country. The people are very tolerant of pretty much everything and most (not all) of the Muslims are extremely liberal/secular when compared to many other Islamic social groups. For example, I've seen Imam's, Christian ministers and Jewish rabbis sharing coffee and conversation with each other and a couple of gay men that had nowhere else to sit in the coffee house. Maybe 20% of the women in my area wear headscarves, no burkas or anything like that... and they'll happily have conversations with women in mini skirts and bikinis (hey its a beach town :) ). Most of the Turks drink alcohol, they have some good beers and almost everyone drinks raki (anise liquor). When the mosque calls for prayers, most of the Muslims around here go about their daily life. Many don't ever attend Mosque.
That being said the AKParty acts much like the GOP in the US. They stay in power because there is a strong Anatolian middle class of conservatives and the AKP constantly make noises to maintain their support. A few months ago they made a lot of noise about outlawing abortion, nothing came of it, but the AKP poll numbers went up. The same for the recent anti-alcohol law... "no shop sales after 10 PM and before 6 AM" but you can still go to restaurants and bars with no problem until 5 AM or whenever they finally close.
While the CHP (the left wing, secularist) party is setting itsself up as the 'secular' alternative to the AKP... they tend to be ultra nationalists. The military has, more than once overthrown the government via a coup and taken control of the country, because the military didn't like the way the government was acting. The CHP tend to be Kemalists (following Ataturks views), but they have a pretty poor track record with other kinds of human rights. Kurds, for example, were treated worse under the CHP and military lead governments than under the AKP. The CHP would have no problem jailing people for speaking against Ataturk or Turkey... and actually kicked an author out of the country for writing a book that included support for the claim that the Ottomans in the beginning off the 20th century were responsible for the Armenian genocide (the nationalist position is that it was a war and lots of people on both sides died).
For some the AKP has provided more freedom. For example, until recently, women were not allowed to wear the headscarf in public institutions (schools, colleges, etc.) and women who kept the headscarf had many fewer job options.
Basically the situation in Turkey is a question of balancing extremism on both sides of governance with the more moderate public. There is no simple answer.
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Nunca mais vem outubro para o Rui Rio salvar o PSD desta puta desta escumalha neolib que o tomou de assalto, foda-se.
Trifish's post consisted of one utterly useless and trivial statement that is little more than "Me too!"
So what? There are hundreds of useless and trivial posts on Slashdot. Looking at your own history we can also find trivial and useless posts. That doesn't make you a troll, nor does it justify wasting mod points to bury posts you made that were unnecessary.
it contributes nothing and just takes up space.
That may very well be, in which case the comment isn't likely to be given positive moderation, but it still can't be defined as a "troll", nor was the post doing any harm at its default moderation level.
In short, we have two statements in his post, each of which merit a downmod for different reasons.
You're using the moderation system as a way build your own self-esteem by tearing someone else down. That isn't what the moderation system is for. The First Amendment doesn't apply here. You need to grow up.
All I can say is, there's a reason chapter 8 (Dealing with uprisings, protests and demonstrations) and chapter 9 (dealing with the media, journalists, and the Internet) are back to back in the Dictator's Handbook. See for yourself at http://www.dictatorshandbook.net/. Autocrats defensively strike to criticise the media when their actions make them vulnerable, and Twitter - being one of the better sources of information during the demonstrations and the whole bulldozer thing (which wasn't a bulldozer, if anyone noticed) - makes an easy target.
I agree Twitter is a menace, but only because their servers crash too often to be considered a standard form of communication. Give me SMTP or NNTP anyday.
But back to Erdogan, good luck buddy - you're going to need it. Check out chapter 7 (managing the military) before you go much further: you're going to need it!
If this were Usenet, I'd killfile the lot of you.
Saying certain things on Twitter in the UK can have the police kicking down your door the next morning.
He just needs to abuse his power more.
I'd rather hear the voice of a democratically elected government than a private publisher.
Of course, the Turkish model of democracy isn't exactly representational. But neither's the US model.
Only then will the world be safe for despots, (and forget that etymology nonsense, as well.)
Does it? What if an equal or larger percentage of the population holds an opinion contrary to that found on media platform X but aren't heard because they have less access to that platform?
Fuck Facebook.
Seriously, 1 out 6 supports radical Islam? That is a LOT of people. Usually radical supporters are teens and adults that can be damaging. Your remainder, you have to include children and elderly that are powerless. That leaves precious few against.
"To Me, Social Media Is the Worst Menace To Governments."
FTFY
They would like Australia more the government censores the web sites of those it dosent want to hear from .just try and find the twenty +junkies against crime web sites.
But social media is the alternative to extremism. It empowers everybody to share their voice, even radicals. The trick is, radicals always had a voice, but now so do the moderates.
The Turkish PM sees ******** (SHH! Can't Tell Yet)
Social Media with encryption--so only the co-conspirators can read it.