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What Features Does iOS 7 Need?

Nerval's Lobster writes "Apple's iOS 7, which is heavily rumored to make its debut at next week's Worldwide Developers Conference (WWDC) in San Francisco, will almost certainly feature a totally redesigned interface. According to recent rumors (including a few key postings on the Apple-centric blog 9 to 5 Mac), the OS will stand as a shining example of "flat" design, which eliminates "real world" elements such as texture and shading in favor of stripped-down, basic shapes. That means certain iOS environments such as Game Center (with its casino-like green felt) and Newsstand (with its wooden shelving) could soon look completely different. But what about iOS 7's actual features? What could Apple change that would improve the operating system's chances against the increasingly sophisticated Google Android, not to mention the new-and-improved BlackBerry 10 and Windows Phone 8? What would you do to iOS with Apple's full resources at your disposal?"

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  1. iOS==Metro?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting
    So, iOS will look like Metro?

    the OS will stand as a shining example of "flat" design, which eliminates "real world" elements such as texture and shading in favor of stripped-down, basic shapes

    1. Re:iOS==Metro?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Given that the iPad is a copy of Microsoft courier, which was a flop, who knows

    2. Re:iOS==Metro?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      More like the Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy GUI design...
      Every time I press one of these black controls, labelled in black on a black background, a little black light lights up black to let me know I've done it.

    3. Re:iOS==Metro?? by BrokenHalo · · Score: 2

      More like the Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy GUI design... Every time I press one of these black controls, labelled in black on a black background, a little black light lights up black to let me know I've done it.

      Maybe it's time to take off those Joo Janta 200 Super-Chromatic Peril Sensitive Sunglasses.

    4. Re:iOS==Metro?? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Sure there is. Steve Jobs was such a visionary he could see the future!

    5. Re:iOS==Metro?? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      It's interesting that they seem to be trying to purge many of the ideas most associated with Steve Jobs. Skeuomorphic UIs, the one true tablet size, the one true phone size, paying out money to shareholders, not starting too many new lawsuits over design elements and so forth. Arguably Apple Maps would never have been released under Jobs, such was his demand for quality.

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    6. Re:iOS==Metro?? by excelsior_gr · · Score: 1

      Win8 design != Metro

      Metro is the retarded interface that wants you to use your computer like you do your phone. Everybody with a real use for a computer treats it like a splash-screen that is there to ignore and promptly clicks the desktop icon. Once you are there though, I find Win8 quite slick. Much, much better than the original Aero design.

      Besides, this is 2013 and design has moved on. Textures are so 10-years-ago.

    7. Re:iOS==Metro?? by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      One of my co-workers nailed it on the head. The whole point of moving to Metro is that it's easy to replicate and impliment HTML5 for web apps. It's why Office365 looks and feels nearly identical on any modern browser. The point is to design a UI that can be seemless between local devices and over the web. I'm thinking that's exactly why Apple is going the "metro" route too.

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    8. Re:iOS==Metro?? by Yer+Mom · · Score: 1

      Arguably Apple Maps would never have been released under Jobs, such was his demand for quality.

      *cough* MobileMe *cough*

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  2. iOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Something different instead of the simple outdated icon grid on the home pages. Whether it be a form of widget or something completely different is up to Apple.

    This is double as strong when it comes to the iPad. I remember when they launched the device they were encouraging developers to use then larger canvas instead of just making big iPhone apps. They have still not done this themselves.

    1. Re:iOS by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Something different instead of the simple outdated icon grid on the home pages. Whether it be a form of widget or something completely different is up to Apple.

      This is double as strong when it comes to the iPad. I remember when they launched the device they were encouraging developers to use then larger canvas instead of just making big iPhone apps. They have still not done this themselves.

      I think that would be a huge mistake. If you change the look of features, people can still navigate by memory of layout. If you change the layout of features, people can still navigate by look. If you change both, everyone's completely lost, and you anger 100% of your customer base.

      I would go so far as to say that Apple should change practically nothing in terms of functionality. Bug fixes, improved compatibility, speed enhancements, but don't "change" anything.

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    2. Re:iOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think that would be a huge mistake. If you change the look of features, people can still navigate by memory of layout. If you change the layout of features, people can still navigate by look. If you change both, everyone's completely lost, and you anger 100% of your customer base.

      Except that these are Apple products we are talking about. Peoples would just love it because it is Apple and 'just work'. Who would want to be that old guy that is no longer in with new hip and cool design...

    3. Re: iOS by m6ack · · Score: 1

      What you want in the OS is to enable the most smooth and efficient access to your work. For now, that means getting to your apps & getting out of the way, and in the future sharing data between apps and between apps and the external world. Interface change that does not improve efficiency is not useful and will drive customers away.

    4. Re:iOS by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      It would really help if they had widgets. Instead of just an array of square icons you can have actual useful information which at a minimum also lets you open the app. The variable shapes really help you to quickly find what you want - your screens are no longer just identical grids.

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  3. themes. by gl4ss · · Score: 1

    wouldn't need to be listening about bitching about changing the default look then.

    other stuff: start adding resolution and density independent ui elements. you know, so that you wouldn't be so fucked as apple is with osx.

    dedicated multitasking drawer+button.

    block notifications from this app button to every notification sent through the apple system.

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    1. Re:themes. by Eric+Abbott · · Score: 4, Insightful

      other stuff: start adding resolution and density independent ui elements. you know, so that you wouldn't be so fucked as apple is with osx.

      I beg to disagree: in theory resolution independent user interface elements should be a lot better than Apple's approach of only allowing double densities. Practice however shows, that if you have a resolution independent UI API, a lot of developers are lazy and do not adapt their layout to different screen sizes, or do not correctly use the APIs.

      As an example, the windows experience on high-res displays is significantly worse than the Mac OS X experience: the majority of Windows applications simply do not work correctly on a Mac Book Pro Retina display, since only parts of the UI elements scale correctly, resulting in a complete mess.

      Android fares somewhat better due to a better API, but the fine-tuned user interfaces for different resolutions on iOS (tablet/phone) usually make for a better user experience. On Android there is too little incentive (return on investment) for developers to fine-tune their user interfaces to different resolutions.

    2. Re:themes. by Kryptonian+Jor-El · · Score: 4, Informative

      You realize that your TV is still only 1080p, whether its 55" or 155", its resolution is only 1920x1080. The issue at hand here is that when running windows on a higher resolution, such as the Retina display MBPs, the pixel density quadruples, and windows just cant handle that. We're talking resolution, not screen size

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    3. Re:themes. by sg_oneill · · Score: 1

      Uh, I do exactly this on my mac mini on a 50" tv set, and its scaled quite nicely.

      Don't just make things up to get angry about dude.

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    4. Re:themes. by smallfries · · Score: 2

      How? I've got a Mac mini plugged into a 40" TV and changing font sizes doesn't fix the size of non textual buttons, default image sizes, hit-zone size around window borders, scroll bars or any of the other UI elements that are not tied to the font size.

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    5. Re:themes. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1, Funny

      You're holding it wrong....

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    6. Re:themes. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 3, Informative

      sooner or later apple is already getting fucked on the devices they can make because if they make another device with another pixel density then it adds up directly as manual work for every developer.

      Apple just abandons the older versions of their hardware. They'e abandoned two of my iPod Touches now. The third one I bought about a year ago but it's due to be abandoned shortly.

    7. Re:themes. by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      The problem is "in theory" it should work better but it doesn't. The main problem is see is that it's not so much laziness but that it takes varying levels of work to get resolution right. If your app uses fewer graphics then resolutions are not as important; however, your app does not look as nice. Remember if you are selling to consumers, looking nice is important.

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    8. Re:themes. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Last year's phones had 720p (1280x720) screens and this year's all have 1080p (1920x1080) screens. The iPhone 5 isn't even HD at a mere 1136x640.

      The problem for Apple is to bump up the iPhone resolution to HD (the current one is still SD) by doubling they will end up with 2270x1280. That's going to be expensive, and 1080p content will be scaled awkwardly. The alternative is to pick a new resolution and make developers re-work their apps to support it yet again.

      As for Windows I guess you haven't tried it. It works fine 99% of the time with exact 2x scaling and pretty well with arbitrary scaling. Apps which don't support scaling natively are just zoomed at the pixel level, exactly the same as Mac OS. Interestingly the most high profile app that doesn't scale well is the Adobe CS suite, which didn't scale properly on Mac OS when the first retina displays were released either.

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    9. Re:themes. by MoronGames · · Score: 2

      Keep in mind the Apple screens are smaller than all of the devices with supposed HD screens, and thus still have very competitive pixel densities. This is especially true when you look into the fact that pentile displays used on many devices do not accurately represent their supposed pixel densities with their RGBG subpixel scheme.

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    10. Re:themes. by chrismcb · · Score: 1

      other stuff: start adding resolution and density independent ui elements. you know, so that you wouldn't be so fucked as apple is with osx.

      Start? You do know that iOS has density independent ui elements? You know that on the iPad everything made for the iPad2 looks just fine on the retina version? This actually one of the things Apple did right.

  4. Better Application Hooks by Idimmu+Xul · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I want to be able to choose Chrome as my browser instead of Safari.

    I want 1password to be able to hook in to it.

    I want apps to open new links in Chrome instead of their own embedded browser.

    WebRTC support

    Save MP3s in to iTunes

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    1. Re:Better Application Hooks by Goaway · · Score: 3, Insightful

      All of those things are things that malware and crapware would immediately use to make your phone much, much worse. I'd like them too, but I can see why Apple would want to keep those things off their system to keep their users happier.

    2. Re:Better Application Hooks by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      if i want to muck up my phone with crap thats on me. I dont want apple pretending to be my dad and im 4 years old "now hold my hand as we cross the road."

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    3. Re:Better Application Hooks by Nerdfest · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Then you don't want an iPhone,

    4. Re:Better Application Hooks by jisatsusha · · Score: 2

      Why would allowing changing of the default apps (like the browser, email, etc) introduce malware? All apps would still have to come from the App Store, and would be subject to the same quality checks as they are now.

    5. Re:Better Application Hooks by Andrio · · Score: 1

      It doesn't replace the stock browser as the system default. Also, it's still safari but with a different skin. Apple doesn't allow actual browsers in the app store. Also, it will have crippled js performance since only the built in safari is allowed to use built in optimizations.

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    6. Re:Better Application Hooks by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

      A lot of us have come to figure that out.

    7. Re:Better Application Hooks by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      It gives you an avenue for side loading data among other things.

    8. Re:Better Application Hooks by AuMatar · · Score: 2

      You mean it would allow people to install applications they want on hardware they own? The horror.

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    9. Re:Better Application Hooks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      allow people to install applications they want on hardware they own? The horror.

      You can't do that, you will bring malware to your phone by doing that.

      Only terrorists do that.

    10. Re:Better Application Hooks by cbhacking · · Score: 1

      Um... no. Specifically, bullshit.

      I install an app. It has a manifest saying it supports the "default browser" profile or something like that. The app store / OS (not the app itself!) asks me if I want to make it the default. I choose yes or no. If I choose yes, then behind the scenes, the app is configured to be the handler for http/https/etc. Life goes on. Somewhere in the OS there's a tool for changing such defaults, but apps themselves can't even *tell* whether or not they are the default.

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    11. Re:Better Application Hooks by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Because it gives multiple avenues for attack, not just one.

      As things stand, they fix a vulnerability for Safari/Webkit, and it's fixed for the entire platform. There aren't other browsers that are still vulnerable.

      Beyond security, it gives consistency. It means that a website that has been designed/adapted to work on an iPhone will always work on an iPhone. It won't stop working or have bugs because the user has loaded a different browser.

    12. Re:Better Application Hooks by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      If you're trying to give a blanket assurance that Android users don't have problems, your either naive or a liar. Google will show all manner of problems.

    13. Re:Better Application Hooks by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Who ever said that it wasn't technically possible to change the default browser? No one.

      It's a choice by Apple. A choice with reasons. And there's pros and cons to the choice.

      Fundamentally Apple has always produced products "for the rest of us". That means the people who may not be experts in computing but are using devices for a purpose other than the device itself. They're not designed for people who's major purpose is tinkering around with the device itself.

    14. Re:Better Application Hooks by chrismcb · · Score: 1

      I want apps to open new links in Chrome instead of their own embedded browser.

      The OS doesn't really have (nor should it) control over this. The app can choose to embed a browser, or sent the link to your "default" browser. Taking this ability away from the app developer would just be insane.

    15. Re:Better Application Hooks by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      exactly. I just wish everyone would stop drooling over apple.

      right now we are complaining about NSA spying and while not as evil i dont personally see much better allowing apple control over my devices.

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    16. Re:Better Application Hooks by Idimmu+Xul · · Score: 1

      Strange, my Mac can do all those things and that's not loaded with malware and crapware ...

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  5. Glad you asked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    OS:
    - real push notifications (no connection) a la BB
    - real bluetooth support
    - sound multiplexing
    - multi-user support a la Nexus 7

    Shell:
    - themes
    - screensaver
    - background download/upload without 'location services':o
    - exif info in gallery
    - realtime-thumbs task manager

    Politics:
    - JS JIT in apps
    - support for other browsers

    1. Re:Glad you asked! by Bogtha · · Score: 2

      JS JIT in apps

      I think this one is likely to happen now. The reason it is currently unavailable is due to security restrictions on application processes. Apple make an exception for Safari, but they don't want to do it for all applications due to the possibility for abuse. However Apple have recently been moving parts of their system (e.g. mail composer window) over to a new internal API that lets them embed view controllers from other processes. Once they move the web views over to this system, they'll be able to grant the exception for the process that handles web views without granting the exception for all applications.

      I'm personally hoping that this new architecture will be made public and provide support for greater collaboration between apps, but that might be something we don't see until iOS 8.

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  6. The thing which stopped me from buying Apple by drolli · · Score: 3, Insightful

    are not the features, but the idea that Apple wants to control everything.

    If they change that, i will reconsider. However, since i bough quite some Apps for Android, and Android emulation would be nice

    1. Re:The thing which stopped me from buying Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Most people need a trustworthy authority to make the good decisions for them.

    2. Re:The thing which stopped me from buying Apple by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      which is kind of funny when you think about it. its like apple is saying we dont trust you to trust yourself. so we will do it for you, dont like it?? too bad"

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    3. Re: The thing which stopped me from buying Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      As I've said before, Apple's 1984 ad was a promise, not a warning.

      Posted from my Nexus 4.

    4. Re:The thing which stopped me from buying Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Nobody really cares a fuck if you dont want to buy apple. When given the choice, the people who wanted to buy Apple have Apple. The people who didnt, dont.

      The discussion is about iOS 7 - not why you didnt want apple.

    5. Re:The thing which stopped me from buying Apple by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Yup. As soon as I can own an iPhone without jailbreaking it, I will buy one.

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    6. Re:The thing which stopped me from buying Apple by drolli · · Score: 1

      Well. I guess Apple should care. I am not in my 4th smartphone (6th device which i can use to read mobile email/surf), all high end at the time of purchase and (besides the first two devices, which i possesed when the iphone did not exist yet) direct competitors of upcoming apple devices. I buy media/apps via google play/amazon for 100s of Euros per year.

      So yea, probably apple would like to have me as a customer.

      In terms of specific features for the next iOS i would translate it like this:

      Android has a button: Allow app installation from non-market sources

      I want to see this button in iOS, then i consider buying an apple device.

    7. Re:The thing which stopped me from buying Apple by tepples · · Score: 2

      Then keep your Android device to run Android applications, just as one keeps an Xbox 360 to run Xbox 360 games when buying a PlayStation 4.

  7. Bettter integration with PRISM by revprez665 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I might be a terrorist, after all.

    1. Re:Bettter integration with PRISM by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 5, Funny

      Actually, not a bad idea. Why not let the NSA host your email for you? They will have access to it one way or another anyway. Taxpayers have already paid for all those super-duper NSA data centers, so give citizens access to all that computing power via a free NSA cloud.

      It will save costs at the NSA, because they won't need a PRISM to refract your email . . . they will have direct access to it. And if you know that the NSA has access to your email, you won't need to worry about if they do have access to your email . . . because you know they do already. It will also be secure, because the NSA are the best professional hackers in the world.

      So getting back to iOS 7 features, I'm sure the NSA has already supplied Apple with a long list of their requirements. Let's open up those hidden NSA APIs so that everyone can use them and the NSA's unlimited resources.

      Once again, I have to ask myself, "Who's been sleeping in my brain . . . ?"

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    2. Re:Bettter integration with PRISM by oodaloop · · Score: 2

      Sounds like a modest proposal.

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    3. Re:Bettter integration with PRISM by andy1307 · · Score: 1

      Actually, not a bad idea. Why not let the NSA host your email for you?

      That's a great idea...they probably have better spam and malware filters...

    4. Re:Bettter integration with PRISM by manu0601 · · Score: 1

      Actually, not a bad idea. Why not let the NSA host your email for you?

      Let us go further: NSA could provide the world free online storage. And I will trust them to have good backups in case I delete a file by mistake

  8. joypad support and keyup/keydown support by musikit · · Score: 1

    see title. nothing would make my gaming experience better then a standard joypad support in the os. and them actually supporting keyup/keydown so i can map keyboard keys to button presses.

  9. Security features by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It needs: TOR, full disk/device encryption, PGP for email as standard and the "iCloud" repository fully encrypted and opaque to apple unless YOU specifically tell them it's ok for each app/service.
    I want the iPhone to be primarily mine by default, and allow Apple to provide options I can opt into, rather than primarily Apple's and I need to jailbreak it to opt out of things.

    1. Re:Security features by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      our apologies, but we cannot do that. we have been directed i mean warned that its not good for the NSA i mean americans.

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    2. Re:Security features by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      Other than the iCloud stuff, you can do all of that with an Android phone, although I believe you need root to be able to do the full Tor support.

    3. Re:Security features by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      TOR: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/onion-browser/id519296448?mt=8
      Full Disk Encryption: When you choose to erase all data, it flushes the key for full disk encryption.
      Full Disk Encryption Source Reference: images.apple.com/iphone/business/docs/iOS_Security_Oct12.pdf
      PGP: https://itunes.apple.com/en/app/opengp/id414003727?mt=8

    4. Re:Security features by MoronGames · · Score: 1

      mod parent up

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  10. What Features Does iOS 7 Need? by thediv17 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Freedom

    1. Re:What Features Does iOS 7 Need? by amiga3D · · Score: 2

      Freedom is dangerous.

    2. Re:What Features Does iOS 7 Need? by tysonedwards · · Score: 1

      My fellow Earthicans, we enjoy so much freedom it's almost sickening. We're free to choose which hand our sex-monitoring chip is implanted in. And if we don't want to pay our taxes, why, we're free to spend a weekend with the Pain Monster.

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  11. Really, really skinny fonts by Horshu · · Score: 1

    Like the were drawn with a mechanical pencil

  12. Features by jlebrech · · Score: 1

    A VR desktop, something like oculus rift and leap motion combined. It also needs to display the keyboard in the virtual world and show where the fingers are.

    Also the UX needs to be in 3D, so to operate a slider you have to move your hand forward for example, windows should be replaced with cubes, with the controls to maximize, minimize, force quit on the outside of the cube and the app is contained inside of that cube, the interface should look a bit like what tony stark sees in his ironman suit. The interface could obviously be designed to only be see from a single perspective, but if a control is on the z-axis it has to be operated on that axis be the user.

  13. It's not going to happen, but... by AC-x · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's not going to happen, but a single checkbox in the settings would do:

    [ ] Allow installation of apps from unknown sources

    1. Re:It's not going to happen, but... by wile_e8 · · Score: 2

      Yeah, but then you might have the ability to buy things through an avenue in which Apple can't take a cut, and why would you ever want to do that?

    2. Re:It's not going to happen, but... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Good question, why did Google do that?

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    3. Re:It's not going to happen, but... by Hes+Nikke · · Score: 1

      See Gate Keeper on OS X.

      Allow applications downloaded from:
      [] App Store
      [x] App Store and identified developers
      [] Anywhere

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    4. Re:It's not going to happen, but... by Kethinov · · Score: 1

      It's not going to happen, but a single checkbox in the settings would do:

      [ ] Allow installation of apps from unknown sources

      The fact that your post got modded funny instead of insightful is pretty sad reflection of our collective lack of faith in Apple's willingness to do the right thing.

      Allowing users to opt-out of the walled garden is the single biggest thing iOS has needed since day one.

      Imagine the outrage that would ensue if Apple flipped that switch on OSX and required all apps to come from the Mac App Store without a button to turn that restriction off.

      iOS has been that way since day one and everyone seems to act like that's okay.

      It's as if once a computer can fit into your pocket, it ceases to become a computer and suddenly becomes an "appliance," an oft-toted euphemism which serves no purpose other than to say "this general purpose computer is okay to lock down, but this one over here on my desk is not okay to lock down."

      Locked down phones? Why not. Locked down game consoles? Sure. Locked down PCs? Mass outrage. It makes no sense. It's like nobody possess the critical thinking ability to realize that they're all just fucking computers in different form factors.

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  14. Improvement? by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

    What Apple needs is themes. The default looks are rather blah already and now it will be more so? Nunn

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  15. Android by stenvar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sounds like he's saying iOS should look a whole lot more like Android. Well, sounds like they already copied Android's and Windows' flat themes.

    1. Re: Android by hsmith · · Score: 2

      lol, they all copy one another. Googles Game Center is a duplicate of iOS GC

  16. Open it up a little, but won't happen by Bearhouse · · Score: 2

    We have a big mix of Wintels, iDevices and Androids at home & work.
    They're all pretty good at doing what we need.
    The iDevices, however, stand out for being harder to get things onto and off.
    And don't get me started on iTunes, especially when running on a non-Mac.
    Sure there are alternatives, and apps like SugarSync and Evernote ease the pain, but why make it hard when a USP of Apple is supposed to be the user-friendliness?

    Still, as I said, never going to happen...looks like they're going to focus on the cosmetics, rather than listening to their customers. Shades of Windows 8?

    Final thought: Why don't they just take the top-selling and/or free apps, for both 'geek/power user' and 'normal consumer' and bake 'em into the OS? They've got the cash...

    1. Re:Open it up a little, but won't happen by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      iOS needs less baked into the OS, not more. When FaceBook became popular they needed to develop integrated support for it, When Twitter became popular, they need to develop integrated support for it. With Android, everything integrates automatically, popular or not, and this same mechanism allows you to set a different browser as your default. Apple needs to get over their control fetish and greed.

    2. Re:Open it up a little, but won't happen by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

      First of all, the difficulty of installing onto an iDevixe is by design whether you agree with it or not. You might think it's Apple ulterior motive of controlling everything for profit's sake but one of the main reasons is security. If there is no SD card, it here is no Bluetooth file transfers, there are fewer attack vectors. Again you can disagree with this approach or not.

      As for more integration of popular apps, this a slippery slope. There are many here on slashdot that think Apple already controls too much. In fact you allude to that already. Apple baking in more features is likely to incur more wrath and accusations of monopoly power.

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    3. Re:Open it up a little, but won't happen by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The thing is that all Android viruses have either been trojans that required the user to bee an idiot and side-load malware, or they have attacked things at driver level which Apple is just as vulnerable to and has nothing to do with the freedom to run any app.

      The security argument is bogus. Apple, just like game console manufacturers, want to tax every app and lock out all competitors.

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    4. Re:Open it up a little, but won't happen by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      The thing is that all Android viruses have either been trojans that required the user to bee an idiot and side-load malware or they have attacked things at driver level which Apple is just as vulnerable to and has nothing to do with the freedom to run any app.

      And by not allowing users to side-load (without jailbreaking), doesn't Apple limit that attack vector? It's hard to run a trojan if you can't load the trojan onto the device. Your argument make no sense.

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  17. Catchup or Reinvent? by mitcheli · · Score: 2

    Apple didn't become the largest company by playing catch up to the competitors. I wouldn't change "features" in iOS. I'd change the paradigm in which iOS runs.

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  18. Self Destruct by solidraven · · Score: 1, Funny

    Two words: Self Destruct
    Possibly a large enough explosion that makes an apple shaped mark on the device owner, so I know who to avoid talking to.

  19. Better integration with just about everything. by trdrstv · · Score: 1

    If you take a pic with the camera you can immediately post to twitter aaaaaaaaand, that's about it. On Android I have something like 20 options directly from the camera (twitter, facebook, dropbox, etc....)

    1. Re:Better integration with just about everything. by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      I think he is saying that there is no option to do that from the Camera app. Now, you can exit out of it and go into the Photo app and there are options but not direct and immediate.

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  20. Multiple accounts by Pascal+Sartoretti · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Or at least a "guest" mode, so that an iPad can be shared among parents and kids.

    1. Re:Multiple accounts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Guided Access goes a long way to providing this. Settings->Accessibility

      http://www.cultofmac.com/225138/safely-hand-your-iphone-or-ipad-over-to-anyone-with-guided-access-ios-tips/

    2. Re:Multiple accounts by Splab · · Score: 1

      Very nice suggestion, definitely going to try it out.

    3. Re:Multiple accounts by Lynchenstein · · Score: 5, Funny

      Cook holding a new iPad up for the audience to see: "Multiple logins? We've heard you loud and clear. Users want to be able to share the incredible iPad experience with their mother, their kids, their best friend. Up until now, that's just not been possible." ...he pauses for dramatic effect...."At Apple, we have the best and most creative engineers and designers in the world. We've had a team of 140...they have spent many many long nights figuring out the best, most seamless, and utterly beautiful way for you to share your iPad experience with others, without compromising your security, privacy, or individuality." ...again pausing...more pausing... "Today, I present the iPad Too." He pulls out a 2nd iPad that he has had stuffed down the back of his pants. He proudly displays two tablets, as if he's Moses... He holds them up high for everyone to see..."A totally secure multiple log in, guaranteeing no data leakage between the two accounts. This is Apple innovation, and that's why I just love the new iPad Too, and everyone at Apple is really proud to show it to you today. The new iPad Too. It's simply stunning."

      The audience erupts in rapturous applause. Some are crying. They're holding each other, hopping up and down. Confetti and balloons rain down.

      The Android and WinPhone8 fanboys lose their minds online. Servers explode. Anarchy.

    4. Re:Multiple accounts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But that would stop you from buying additional iPads and giving them to the demographic that is most likely to break them and require you to buy replacement ones, too.

      It's selfish attitudes like yours that caused Apple's stock price to drop.

    5. Re:Multiple accounts by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Just buy another one"
            - Steve Jobs

      (sorry, couldn't resist)

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    6. Re:Multiple accounts by cbhacking · · Score: 1

      I recently visited San Francisco, where I noted a *huge* number of billboards for iPads. Ads everywhere. OK, I'm not used to quite that much billboard-spam, but whatever. What I couldn't figure out was who Apple was targeting here; doesn't everybody in the bay area with an interest in an iPad and the money to buy one already have one?

      Then I figured it out: all the ads show an iPad and an iPad Mini side-by-side, frequently with a message about them complementing eachother. The target wasn't people who don't have an iPad; the target was people who only have one iPad!

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    7. Re:Multiple accounts by Volguus+Zildrohar · · Score: 1

      "The Android and WinPhone8 fanboys lose their minds online."

      This sudden switch from speculative future to factual description is a bit of a jolt.

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  21. Re:simple by itsdapead · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Central filesystem so apps can share data in a simple manner.

    That would break simplicity.

    The current solutions for importing/exporting files from Apple applications don't really qualify as "simple". Ever tried to share a file via iTunes or WebDAV? Having a filesystem that didn't raise its head until you chose 'share' wouldn't break simplicity - or maybe providing a standard API that let apps share through DropBox, Google Drive etc. (Flap, oink!)

    I tried iCloud but it insists on moving everything off your iOS device into the cloud. If I wanted to do that I'd use Google Docs so I could share things with non-Mac users!

    Allow printing to any fucking printer.

    It can do printing, but only with printers that follow the spec. Printers that don't work requires extra drivers, that we shouldn't need in the first place anyway.

    No, but there's no reason why Airprint can't work with any shared printer on your Mac. When AirPrint was first announced Apple were going to support this - then they signed an exclusive with HP and disappeared the feature. There's third-party software to do this (e.g. Printopia). At one point, I found instructions for adding the appropriate zeroconf and CUPS settings to my Linux box so I could print to it (but a later iOS update borked that).

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  22. NSA Prism compatible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Perhaps what it really needs is a "NSA Prism" icon

    1. Re:NSA Prism compatible by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Notice the timeline for Prism access to Apple?

      Jobs had to croak, before the company betrayed it's service users, and handed them wholesale for illegal data-rape by an invasive, secret-police venture.

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    2. Re:NSA Prism compatible by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      No no no. You swipe at the NSA Prism icon just to unlock your phone. Now all your apps are being properly...ahem..."managed".

      Learned to use Red Star OS. The intentions of N. Korea are pretty strait forward. If you can trust that OS, you can trust -any- OS.

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    3. Re:NSA Prism compatible by noh8rz10 · · Score: 1

      you're being sarcastic, but I think this is correct. no way JO would let NSA in. he probably told them FU. and when they complained he called Obama directly and told him to FU.

    4. Re:NSA Prism compatible by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      What, are you saying Obama had him killed?

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    5. Re:NSA Prism compatible by noh8rz10 · · Score: 1

      no, nobody could stand up to SJ. he could tell obama or the nsa where to take a dump!

  23. A master volume control by Salo2112 · · Score: 1

    I would love to be able to lock down the volume so my autistic son, who lives on the iPad, doesn't max out the volume on everything he does.

    1. Re:A master volume control by DJCouchyCouch · · Score: 3, Informative

      On iPhone, go to Settings->Music and you'll see the Volume Limit option.

  24. /. is a bad place for Apple feature advice by Trip6 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Apple made their mark controlling and simplifying the user experience to achieve broad market appeal. /.ers will inevitably want them to go the other direction and load up the feature set, as all engineers will. Without Jobs, the engineers will get the upper hand and the feature set will expand, thus losing their broad appeal. Unless someone else comes along who can stand up to the engineers, Apple is toast.

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    1. Re:/. is a bad place for Apple feature advice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Apple made their mark controlling and simplifying the user experience to achieve broad market appeal. /.ers will inevitably want them to go the other direction and load up the feature set, as all engineers will. Without Jobs, the engineers will get the upper hand and the feature set will expand, thus losing their broad appeal. Unless someone else comes along who can stand up to the engineers, Apple is toast.

      Right on, what's good for engineers is not necessarily good for the general Joe, but it is something most Apple-hating /.ers will never understand.

    2. Re:/. is a bad place for Apple feature advice by SpinyNorman · · Score: 1

      Adding features doesn't necessarily mean making the user experience/interface more complicated, although that's certainly the norm in the software industry.

      For example, Siri has the potential to be the main user interface to new features without the user having to be aware of them at all unless they are using them.

      The user interface also doesn't have to be the same for everyone - it could potentially adapt to the user such that a user that routinely invokes advanced functionality could choose to have the corresponding controls promoted to a more prominent place in the UI.

    3. Re:/. is a bad place for Apple feature advice by ugen · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Mod parent up. iOS needs to keep doing what it's doing. It must be doing something right if /. consensus is that Android is "increasingly sophisticated". This is by the same group of people who don't understand why Linux does not have broad appeal.

      As an iOS user and developer (as well as user and developer for Windows, Linux, FreeBSD, MacOS and attempted but tired and frustrated user and developer for Android :) ) - I hope Apple continues with incremental and stable approach, giving users well thought out and tightly controlled new feature sets, while maintaining clean, simple and usable system.

      Do *not* under any circumstances let engineers ruin this one.

    4. Re:/. is a bad place for Apple feature advice by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Oh, excellent. Please be correct.

      That means we have at least 5 years of improvements into OS X and iOS.

      It think it's going to take that long to connect Steve's brain to the Spaceship, then all hell is going to break loose.

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    5. Re:/. is a bad place for Apple feature advice by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      I don't think it is a question of engineers getting the upper hand or not. Jobs was always involved with design aspects and he was the final decision maker. It gave Apple products some semblance of consistency whether you agree with his choices or not. That's what Apple really needs: one person to be the head designer. It seems that Jonathan Ive is that person now after Scott Forstall has left. This is very different from the waring fiefdom model that MS uses.

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    6. Re:/. is a bad place for Apple feature advice by AmazingRuss · · Score: 1

      The incompetence isn't going away. If this happens, the engineers will have to clean up the mess.

    7. Re:/. is a bad place for Apple feature advice by mkiwi · · Score: 1

      As an Electrical Engineer who designed UI elements with an industrial design department, I can confidently say that most engineers will ruin the experience. While I'm a bit of an exception creatively, most of the engineers on our team had no clue how to make a polished interface. Working with them is difficult when all you want to do is slap them and say, "Design it this way!" For whatever reason, most engineers don't get it, and they are so abrasive to the graphic designers that the designers don't want to talk to them anyway. Honestly, it's like an exercise in pulling teeth.

      I know I will take a karma hit on this one, but having worked on a team that developed sophisticated UIs for Android tablets, Google's native elements feel hacked together (I'm looking at you DatePicker and TimePicker and CalendarView!). UI elements are not optimized and run slowly with complicated layouts--the types of layouts you would expect to have with an iPad. You need a ton more processor power on a Google device just to get the same look and feel as an iOS device. Elements are mostly, but not completely, implemented. For example, you can make a CalendarView that shows one week, but if you swipe up in that view your app will crash. Having two ListViews in the same fragment can also cause problems if you're adding and deleting elements from one view and tap on the other. We used Jelly Bean to make sure we had all the latest stuff, and developing with Google's components was still a nightmare.

      I love Android as a concept/idea (freedom, sharing, and equal access for all), and it works well in basic cases. Google's own apps are generally pretty good since Google has the talent to develop their own custom stuff. What's left for the most programmers is not a good solution.

      In the project, I ended up building my own custom components to get the look, feel, and responsiveness I needed. I've never had to make the same accommodations in an iOS app. The process was extremely time consuming, which also makes me angry at Apple because their lack of openness means we can't use their APIs instead of Google's.

      YMMV.

  25. "totally redesigned interface" ??? by Monoman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    PAH-LEEZE ... doing the flat look is more like changing the skin, not a total redesign.

    As for any features add, changed, or modified ... well that is anyone's guess until Apple says so. Anything else is speculation and a blatant attempt to boost advertising revenue by driving clicks/impressions.

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  26. Re:simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Makes sense that a program called "iTunes" would deal with sharing files and getting apps.

  27. USTASI approves of this message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Citizen, thank you for your input, USTASI welcomes feedback like yours for double plus good safety.

    Feel safe citizen.

    Yours observantly,
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    We value your privacy.

  28. Control of App Update notifications by GrahamCox · · Score: 1

    I want to be able to tell iOS to a) only check for app updates on a schedule I specify and b) individually opt in or out of an update for a specific app. At an absolute minimum I would settle for the ability to turn off the icon badge for the App Store. I'm ticked off with the constant barrage of updates, the badgering of the badging bugs me.

  29. Re:simple by thomasw_lrd · · Score: 1

    This is the big thing. Whatever features are added, just make they damn well work. Almost two years to fix the damn podcast app is two years too many.

  30. Re:Widgets.. by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

    How widgets are displayed in Android varies with the launcher you're using. I suspect you might have seem a Samsung launcher or something as the stock one is done quite nicely, as are most of the other ones I've seen.

  31. Settings for default applications... by AmazinglySmooth · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I want to be able to select which app opens things by default. If I want a new mail app, then I want all mail links to open in it. If I want a new browser, then I want all hyperlinks to open in it. If I want to change the default maps app to Google, then I want all directions opened in that. Etc.

  32. Re:simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So it supports double sided printing, perforations, multiple paper bins etc?

  33. Re:simple by msevior · · Score: 4, Informative

    Open iTunes. Go to Apps. Select the app with the data or docs you want to load/unload. Drag and drop from target window.

    Gp to iTunes. Download 'Dropbox'. Open Dropbox. Profit?

    Thanks for pointing that out. I had not yet discovered it myself. (My GF has an ipad provided from her work.)
    That is a really non-intuitive processes designed to prevent users from actually doing what they want. Why can't we just drag and drop from a folder like every other GUI? (including OSX)
      I totally agree with GP. If Apple wants to improve the IOS experience they should get rid of the propriety crap and provide easy ways for people to use their devices as they want.

  34. Background processing and sharing things please by mmacvicar · · Score: 2

    I think it is very important that they provide a way to allow some background processing to any app, it is plain stupid that you receive notifications and the content is not there after opening the app, that messages don't get sent because you minimized the app or that you can't minimize a web page / app while something is being loaded. Mainly because of this my iphone 5 feels like crap compared to my old Galaxy SII. Also: - Let people decide the snooze time... the fixed 9 minutes is weird. Turning off the vibration of the alarm would be good also. - How about providing a decent way to share photos between devices, and apple fans please... email or whatsapp is not a decent way. With decent I mean not having to use a cable and without a third party app. - Save files to your phone and download them later. - Share needs to be extended as in android, twitter + facebook is too limited, I would like to see whatsapp there or even better let the apps ask for permission to appear in the share menu.

    1. Re:Background processing and sharing things please by foniksonik · · Score: 1

      Actually they re supposedly going to demo air sharing for iOS. Share files between devices directly.

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  35. Re:simple by MichaelJ · · Score: 2

    No, but there's no reason why Airprint can't work with any shared printer on your Mac. When AirPrint was first announced Apple were going to support this - then they signed an exclusive with HP and disappeared the feature. There's third-party software to do this (e.g. Printopia). At one point, I found instructions for adding the appropriate zeroconf and CUPS settings to my Linux box so I could print to it (but a later iOS update borked that).

    On a Mac, handyPrint works wonderfully. I have a networked HP laserjet that predates AirPrint. It's set up as a shared printer on my Mac, and then handyPrint adds the appropriate Bonjour advertising and any other necessary tidbits. Printing from my and my wife's iPhones and iPads works great. I have no connection to the company, just a very satisifed user.

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  36. Mouse support by howardd21 · · Score: 2

    May sound silly, but if it supported a bluetooth mouse (I do not jailbreak but know I could and get this) I could use it much more effectively in two ways - easier to select text for copy/paste type operations, and when connected via RDP or VNC to another box I could have the full experience of that box. I would still use my iPad 90% of the time for browsing, email, etc. But if it had this and I added a BT keyboard it would get a lot more use.

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  37. sshfs by hendrikboom · · Score: 1

    sshfs.

    It'd be great if Android provided that, too.

  38. OS Agnostic by pubwvj · · Score: 1

    All apps should run on all devices OS agnostic. AppleTV, iOS, MacOS, Classic (PPC/68K/Intel), Windows, DOS, CPM, Unix. With rare exceptions everything should run. The computing power to do the emulation is there on even the lowliest Apple device.

    Likewise we should be able to access and manipulate our data sets in our applications on any device.

    1. Re:OS Agnostic by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      There's already a release of Shufflepuck Cafe for Android. Why would you need MacOS Classic anywhere? (My SE/30 runs NetBSD.)

      I'd like virtual iOS mode for Android. It should be easy, since there really isn't any iOS feature that isn't a subset of what's available on Android.

    2. Re:OS Agnostic by excelsior_gr · · Score: 2

      And a pony!

    3. Re:OS Agnostic by schnell · · Score: 1

      All apps should run on all devices OS agnostic ... With rare exceptions everything should run.

      I guess what you're saying is that all mobile or desktop OSes should include emulators for all other OSes. While that's an admirable if fanciful goal for desktop OSes, it is absolutely a non-starter for mobile devices.

      Imagine an iOS device (or vice versa) that has Android, Windows Phone, BlackBerry, Bada and Symbian compatibility. First, the cost to license all these OSes will be prohibitive. Second, there is the consideration of eating up your precious ROM space with hundreds of MB or GB with additional OSes that a consumer may never need. Oh, and do you really want to spend the time testing and certifying all the new OS updates from other OS vendors on your device?

      After all that, let's start talking about the differences between mobile OSes. An Android app will let the app send a SMS in the background without the user having to approve it manually; an iOS app will not. If I emulate Android on iOS, what happens? An Android app can access the name of the wireless carrier on the device and decide whether to function or not, or which features to provide; an iOS app will not - what happens here?

      Even then we start to get into differences in mobile devices. iOS devices have drivers only for certain mobile chipsets and baseband/firmware versions - you can't abstract those via VM/emulators to other devices or vice versa.

      P.S. you suggested that all mobile devices should run CP/M applications. Congratulations on being the first person in the history of the Internet to ask for that. I agree with you. Also, I should have a pony but for some reason nobody has made that happen either.

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  39. Re:simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You mean like Marlin, Konqueror, Nautilus, or Dolphin are obvious file managers?

  40. Re:Support Flac and Linux by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

    I'm sure the word of an Anonymous Coward making a purchase based of significant changes would be honoured, said no corporation ever.

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  41. Re:simple by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

    That would cause iOS to lose it's Apple identity.

  42. enable WebGL in the browser by the+agent+man · · Score: 1

    it is about time to enable WebGL in the browser. WebGL runs fine in Safari on Macs and iOS Safari but is currently only enabled in mobile safari for iAds. In other words, it does work but is only enabled for the kinds of things that I need the least, i.e., ads.

  43. run 3rd party software like android by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    run 3rd party software like android

  44. Neuro-Interfacing Patent API by tenverras · · Score: 1

    It should be able to read your thoughts and transmit them to Apple every time you have a new idea, so that Apple can instantly create a new patent application and claim that they invented the idea. This would solve the problem of people being able to steal Apple's inventions before they have a chance to secure a patent on it. The API should be called something like 6. (Not sure if those will show properly, but there should be a superscript th and the c used for cents. Obvious play on 6th sense)

  45. Re:simple by Proudrooster · · Score: 2

    I agree, workflow on the iPad is tough because of the security model where apps can't get into each others files. While this keeps down malware, it makes uploading files, creating digital portfolios, and sharing between apps nearly impossible without the use of computer or cloud service. Hopefully Apple has a plan for it's new shiny giant green data centers other than serving iTunes apps and running flaky near useless iCloud service.

    Improving workflow on the iPad would be on the top of my list, I can live with the UI as-is.

    Some other interesting features might be allowing wireless devices communicate with each other to share and collaborate. The 8 iPad - Jam session for Garageband is a good start but we need more than just "more cowbell".

    I know the marketing Apple marketing droids don't want the iPad to be a laptop since it would cannibalize MacBook Air sales, but I say forget it and let the iPad morph into a better platform.

  46. It's not about you specifically by sjbe · · Score: 2

    if i want to muck up my phone with crap thats on me. I dont want apple pretending to be my dad and im 4 years old "now hold my hand as we cross the road."

    I don't know any logical reason why you would want to "muck up" your phone with crap. Apple's policies have nothing to do with you specifically. They're in place because the vast majority (well into the 90% range) of people who use an iPhone (or Android for that matter) are very ill equipped to keep their phones free of malware. Most people really just want their phone to work and don't want to deal with a repeat of the malware removal software (ala Norton Antivirus) on their phones as well as their PCs.

    If you want a phone with less hand holding, there are some options out there. No one will be offended if you choose something other than an iPhone.

    1. Re:It's not about you specifically by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Android gives users more freedom but also protects them very well. You have to be pretty dumb to install malware on Android, so it seems like a good compromise.

      You can change the default apps, even the home screen and the keyboard. A lot of people use alternate keyboards, Swype being one of the most popular. These features are not geek things, a lot of users love them and use them safely.

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    2. Re:It's not about you specifically by mr100percent · · Score: 1

      You have to be pretty dumb to install malware on Android

      And yet almost a million Android users have.

  47. Add Ogg Vorbis support for native apps by xQuarkDS9x · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Ogg vorbis support is needed to be supported a lot better then it is now. Currently if you want to play Vorbis music files you have to transfer the files manually to your iDevice and use a different music player that supports the format. However, I doubt the chances of this happening may unfortunately be slim to none. Ogg vorbis IMHO is a much better format then AAC but god forbid Apple supporting it on the devices and in iTunes.

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    1. Re:Add Ogg Vorbis support for native apps by malzfreund · · Score: 1

      AAC is one of the very best lossy codecs out there, doing quite well in double-blind listening tests. ogg is better than mp3, too, but probably not better than AAC. What's missing in iOS is good out-of-the-box FLAC support. yes, for smartphones, lossy audio is more interesting due to storage/bandwidth contraints. yet, you should support at least one lossless codec and FLAC would be more desirable than ALAC. not because it achieves better compression (it usually does) but because it's waay more widely adopted than ALAC.

    2. Re:Add Ogg Vorbis support for native apps by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I never really understood why Apple insists on not supporting open formats like OGG and FLAC. They support MP3 and WMA, even though the latter is transcoded.

      What are they afraid of, people setting up alternative music stores and competing with them? MP3 already allows that. FLAC is the de-facto standard for lossless audio. Nobody uses Apple's proprietary one except misguided audiophiles ripping their personal collections for use on their iDevices. Those guys are going to feel pretty stupid when they switch to something else and realize they have re-rip everything... Ah, and there it is: lock-in.

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    3. Re:Add Ogg Vorbis support for native apps by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      I never really understood why Apple insists on not supporting open formats like OGG and FLAC.

      You mean other than the fact that less than 1% of their customers care about those formats?

      What are they afraid of, people setting up alternative music stores and competing with them?

      Have ever heard of Amazon, Google Play, Zune Marketplace, etc?

      Those guys are going to feel pretty stupid when they switch to something else and realize they have re-rip everything... Ah, and there it is: lock-in.

      So let me understand you: If someone has Apple lossless files (ALAC), they will have to re-rip their files rather than converting/transcoding them from Apple lossless. Have you heard of ffmpeg? ffmpeg -i audio.m4a -c:a flac audio.flac has always worked for me. It's rather the lock-in Apple has when you can use an open source software tool to convert their format to another. That's rather weak lock-in if you think about it.

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  48. Re:simple by kthreadd · · Score: 1

    What about Finder? I think that would have been a good choice for sharing files and getting apps.

  49. Improvements & flexibility by m6ack · · Score: 1

    1) Need Siri to respond intelligently to time-based queries - "Show me nearby currently open hair salons"

    2) Voice Translation in Siri - "English and Korean translation mode. You are so beautiful!"

    3) Ability to replace default utilities - i.e. replace safari with Crome.

  50. Re: simple by m6ack · · Score: 1

    Interesting... Requirement to enable promiscuous printers... I wonder what the detection algorithm would look like... And the multiple attach printing algorithm might be interesting to.

  51. USB drive & printing by J05H · · Score: 1

    iOS 7 should let the device act as normal flash storage. This is a crippling weakness in Apple's current devices and traces all the way back to the Newton's custom filesystem in the 90s. Seamless printing, especially with all the wireless printers around, is a no-brainer.

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    1. Re:USB drive & printing by tepples · · Score: 1

      AirPrint already exists. What is not "seamless" about it?

  52. There's a lot that should be addressed. by wavedeform · · Score: 1

    iTunes as a method to manage things is a joke. App organization is particularly weak.

    Buying apps through iTunes is silly: why not use the web? At the very least the browser built into iTunes should be made more robust. You should be able to do browsery things like change the font size, bookmark, etc.

    Photo syncing is a mess. In fact the whole backup/sync distinction is too confusing.

    The find file function lets you launch an app, but doesn't tell you where the app lives.

    USB hubs should be supported so that more than one thing can be connected to an iOS device.

    I could go on, but it might seem like I'm ranting.

  53. PIN / password for Apple apps like email by spetey · · Score: 1

    I would love it if I could leave my phone unlocked, but with an option to lock the few particular Apple applications where I care about others' access - especially Apple's email, but maybe also the phone, calendar, etc.

    Yes, of course I'd like to see it more open, etc. But I take it we're discussing realistic options here.

    1. Re:PIN / password for Apple apps like email by e4liberty · · Score: 1

      Also, it would be great to be able to set the sleep timer short, and the lock timer much longer. The concepts of Sleep and Lock should be separated. It is so annoying to put the phone down for a minute and then need to enter my entire (long because I care about security) pass phrase. It encourages people to use low security logins, or waste battery with long sleep timers.

  54. How about Jony Ive's resignation? by Lorem_Ipsum · · Score: 1

    Seriously, this is like the worst of the military command structure, where every time a new commander steps in they have to change everything around just to pad their package.
    It doesn't need to be "flat". Doing that says that the height of design style was AOL in 1997.
    Ives, stop being an ego-maniacal clown and try introducing some real design improvements.

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  55. Re:simple by RulerOf · · Score: 1

    Meanwhile, for those of us with root, iFile is freaking fantastic....

    I'd really like to see Apple implement an approval process for privileged code. Establish the world's tightest NDA for a private source code auditing program, or require that all privileged code be open source.

    Allow people to do what they want with their phones if developers can make the peer-reviewed cut, preserving the quality of the user experience Apple prides themselves on but can only achieve by locking you out of the device you own. What most jailbreakers really want is not root... we just want our experience to be open to the same innovation that computers have facilitated since their inception, and we don't want to have to make the compromises ourselves to get it done. As Apple has made abundantly clear: the compromise is their job.

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  56. Give control of the UI back to apps... by seebs · · Score: 1

    Things like Notification Center and four-finger-swipe-to-change-apps should be controllable in some way, so apps that really want a full-screen UI can have one.

    Honestly, that'd be a pretty big part of it.

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  57. Re:iPhone? by seebs · · Score: 1

    YMMV. I have android gizmos, but they basically collect dust because the UI sucks and I can't find apps that do what I want. :)

    (Disclaimer: If anyone can point out a PDF reader for Android that can match GoodReader for speed, reliability, and quality, I'd be interested in hearing about it. I've found nothing even remotely close yet, and I've looked.)

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  58. Re:simple by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

    Why can't we just drag and drop from a folder like every other GUI?

    Because Apple sees manual management of data files in folders a legacy concept. Something that belongs to the PC model of computing, and will be gone with post PC devices.

    We're in an awkward period of transition right now, where manual management of data files are still a fact of life. But the time will come when such a concept is as irrelevant as choke, distributor cap and carburettors to modern day motorists.

    Apple is skating to where the puck will be, not where it is, let alone where it used to be.

  59. Apple Puckery by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

    Because Apple sees manual management of data files in folders a legacy concept.

    They're both wrong, and being disingenuous. IOS uses traditional filesystem organization EVERYWHERE except where the user can get at it. What the user gets are these crippled ass, can't-hold-subfolders, limited-to-few-files abortive pseudo-folders that (barely) act as a filesystem. IF you don't have very many apps. Then your stuff overflows into other folders, you end up with multiple folders containing the same types of things, apps can't share data or features, so every useful feature has to be re-invented and re-implemented by every app that has it... this is toyland. It's viable, sure, because half the population is on the left side of Gaussian. Unfortunately, for the rest of us, it cripples the living hell out of the device.

    Apple is skating to where the puck will be

    No, Apple has skated back to where the puck was in the late 1970's. Tiny directories that can't have sub-directories. It's not a new idea. It's an idea the entire computing world tried, found wanting, and discarded long ago.

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    1. Re:Apple Puckery by DJRumpy · · Score: 2

      You couldn't be more wrong. They do not use the legacy file system as you know it. They use a task specific file system. It's evident in every aspect of iCloud, and iTunes. When you want to work with files relating to your gym app, you select the gym app on your iDevice, and you will see all files related to that app. iCloud is the same way.

      Apple's method doesn't need 'directories' or anything of the sort. The underlying structure is irrelevant in a task oriented file system. You see the files specific to the task you are working on. It doesn't require knowledge of the underlying file system, or a knowledge of how folder structures work or are layed out. You seem to think that Apple is targeting a geek. Nothing could be farther from the truth. It's probably one of the primary reasons that geeks hate Apple so much. They don't market to geeks, they don't sell the features you think are important, and it's also the reason that geeks just don't get why average Joe and Jane like Apple's approach. It doesn't require computing knowledge. It's intuitive to a regular person. They can spend more time using their device to do the things they want it for, rather than worrying about applying the latest shell.

    2. Re:Apple Puckery by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      They're both wrong, and being disingenuous. IOS uses traditional filesystem organization EVERYWHERE except where the user can get at it.

      We're talking about the GUI. The file system is implementation. It doesn't need to be exposed to the user any more than an API is. Any more than SQL needs to be exposed to an application that holds data in a database. That's not being disingenuous. Abstracting UIs from the implementation is standard software engineering.

      The fact is that even on a desktop, ordinary people often have huge problems getting to grips with the concept of hierarchical filing systems, and even once they get it don't tend to memorise the places where things are stored. On mobile devices, where typical interactions are measured in seconds rather than minutes or hours, a hierarchical file system is even more ridiculous.

      IF you don't have very many apps. Then your stuff overflows into other folders, you end up with multiple folders containing the same types of things

      Those aren't data files, they are apps. They are displayed in an application that deals with apps. Same as songs are in a music app and emails are in an email app. There is no partial implementation of a filesystem in the iOS UI. The file system is not revealed at all.

      No, Apple has skated back to where the puck was in the late 1970's. Tiny directories that can't have sub-directories. It's not a new idea. It's an idea the entire computing world tried, found wanting, and discarded long ago.

      You're confusing revealing file systems, as in old GUIs, with hiding them, as in iOS. They are not the same thing.

    3. Re:Apple Puckery by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      The file system is not revealed at all.

      Wrong. The apps on desk, apps in folders functionality IS a filesystem. It's broken, and stupid, but it's still a filesystem. There's a perfectly good filesystem within the context of the actual OS -- it couldn't run without one -- but the user has their own. Apple partially addressed their mistakes with iOS 7, allowing many items in a folder (finally) and I expect they'll allow subfolders next time around as people continue to demand them. It's entirely irrelevant if they expose *the* filesystem, the point was, the unit USES a filesystem, and the user needs A filesystem; the apps=on-desk and/or-in-folder functionality IS, in fact, A filesystem, albeit a crippled and pitiful one. Apple will either up the iPad's game to be more capable or it will be left in the dust as this class of devices becomes more powerful overall. People on the right side of the Gaussian are interested in doing real work on these tablets (and perhaps even on the phones.) You can't do that until applications can work in synergy, apps don't have to reinvent every feature in order to make use of it, apps can share data, there's a reasonable way to organize both apps *and* data, and limits on folder content count are lifted (and as I said, Apple's already addressing the fact that they screwed that up badly.)

      When I download or create a file, I need to be able to get at it with all of the apps that can deal with it. I need to be able to put it somewhere so that I can find it again with minimal effort -- and no, that doesn't mean typing its name into a search box -- it means "tap."

      You'll see. Apple's stuck in the 1970s. Back then, we looked at, and tried, no folders, and limited file counts. We got past that as fast as we could, because it sucks. Apple's always had a problem with form over function; the mac mini is an example where they realized it and fixed it. The new Mac Pro and the filesystem exposed to the user in iOS are two areas you'll see change in rather short order now.

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    4. Re:Apple Puckery by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      You couldn't be more wrong. They do not use the legacy file system as you know it. They use a task specific file system. It's evident in every aspect of iCloud, and iTunes.

      You're bewildered. The device uses a filesystem just as we know it. The user doesn't get to see it, but it is there. Additionally, there's a filesystem exposed to the user that consists of app-on-desk and/or-app-in-folder; this is horribly broken, but nonetheless allows the user to organize apps in the way that the computing community has long determined to be desirable.

      You should ask yourself this: Why are there named user folders in iOS in the first place? There are two obvious reasons: to reduce clutter, and so you can *organize* your apps: games, photography, etc. To argue that organization at the user defined level isn't Apple's goal is ridiculous, that's exactly what the folders have done all along. They just have not done it well. Now that the count limits have been sundered, they'll be better; but you mark my words, these other limits are also impacting the device's ability to do work, and creating one-app-only zones where anything that can be done to a file must be in the one app that owns it, with the notable exception of the photos, where Apple has made the mistake of again creating a unique filesystem for them that doesn't benefit anything else. It is form over function, and it's well known to be the wrong path. Why did it work with iOS at all? Because these devices started out as non-general-purpose computing platforms. But now they're much more powerful, and so they're going to have to come with a general purpose filesystem to complement them. There are several ways to do that, but the current implementation is only a partial image of one of them, and amusingly in the case of your arguing position, it's a limited version of the bog-standard computer filesystem we're all familiar with.

      You see the files specific to the task you are working on.

      No. You don't. That's part of the problem. If I have a text file, there should be all manner of apps that might have business with that file. Text editors. Log viewers. Spellcheckers. Many more. But because the paradigm is primarily app-owns-file, this sharing is crippled. You can't use the synergy of multiple apps to work on files, and that shoots the device, and the user, right in the foot. If, on the other hand, one could organize one's data and access it via that organization, without relying on a broken idea of app-owns-document, then that synergy would be brought up to the level of a modern computer system. It's a failed, crippled vision and Apple has already begun to revise it with iOS 7. Further, not only should apps be able to see whatever files you want them to, you should be able to put one swatch of (for instance) text files in one folder, related to one task, and another swatch for another task in another folder. This prevents you from having to wade through every file for every task that you ever did.

      I'm not looking at it from the perspective of a "geek", as you wrongly assume, or the least bit concerned about multiple shells, etc.; I'm looking at it from the perspective of a business owner for whom the functionality of iOS falls far short of what I need just with conventional file management for mundane, non-geeky files. Would geeks benefit from such changes? Sure. Would the left side of the Gaussian be bewildered and lost? Unlikely. The existence of the ability to create subfolders does not have to be used. The search facility is still there, much like Spotlight exists on OSX. You *can* use such a system like a drooling idiot; but it makes no sense whatsoever to limit everyone to that status.

      Imagine the iOS device after years of use. Full of files, many perhaps of the same name. You search for "mom" but there are 40 instances. Which one is the one you want? Without folder organization, how can you tell? This is just one of the obvious pitfa

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    5. Re:Apple Puckery by DJRumpy · · Score: 1

      You should probably re-read the post, rather than going on for 3 pages.

      "The underlying structure is irrelevant in a task oriented file system. "

      I didn't state that it doesn't use any file system. I was speaking specifically to the file system, such as it is, presented to the end user. An iOS device doesn't present any of the underlying file system to the end user, and really has no need to. You as a geek may have need to specify which app you want to open some .TXT file with, but if the app that created it serves teh purpose, then it's fine for 99.9% of the users out there. The context you claim you need, is provided by the app that creates or works with the file in question.

      A good example: I use a gym app frequently, and occasionally beta new builds of iOS. As a regular part of that process, I backup those files prior to installing any new system updates. I don't need to know 'where' on the device they are stored It's irrelevant to my needs. I just select my Gym app, and I get a list of the SQL and user files presented to me with a Save button.

    6. Re:Apple Puckery by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      "The file system is not revealed at all."
      Wrong. The apps on desk, apps in folders functionality IS a filesystem.

      Not only is it not a filesystem, there is no desk.

      You seem to believe that there is a folder somewhere on an iPhone that holds Apps, and each app is held in a file (or folder) with the name that is displayed in Springboard, and that putting an app into a folder in Springboard means putting the app into a directory in the file system. None of these things are true.

      And just because it's a rectangular grid of icons with a folder system does not make it a file system. That's not in any way the defining characteristics of a filesystem.

      The same as any other well designed app, Springboard is a designed UI metaphor, which does not simply reflect, nor is dependant on any particular implementation. And as it happens in this case the actual implementation is nothing like you see.

      When I download or create a file

      Your problem is that you've stuck with one particular metaphor for data, and an only think in terms of that one. It's where the puck is for legacy OSs, but it's not where it's going. Think about the increasing number of apps that are web based. Very few have any concept of a file, let alone a file system.

      And because you're stuck with that one metaphor, you think systems fail or succeed based on whether they have hierarchical organisation. The fact that hierarchies are often very bad ways to organise doesn't occur to you. For one thing it's fundamentally broken when items belong in more than one category. That's why some file systems have the kludge of symlinks. And it's also broken in that relationships have no checking. You can keep a file path to a file, but if the user deleted that file, you have a dangling link. Not much different from a dangling pointer in C. To work round that brokenness, different OSs often have various types of APIs to watch the file system and report back on specific directories that have changed. Another kludge.

      Take for another example of the brokenness of file hierarchies, the organisation of songs. Do you store them as Artist/Album/Song? If so what about when there are multiple artists? What about the Genre?

      The deficiencies of file hierarchies were why tags were invented.

      Rather than files in a hierarchy, it's far better to consider data to be objects, with attributes, including tags, and arbitrary relations between them. They MIGHT be implemented as files, not necessarily in the same hierarchy as the user sees. Or they might be implemented as SQL objects. Or they might be something unknown on the end of a web-service.

      Yeas, the cloud really puts the spanner in the works of your old-fashioned views of computing. Whilst data was held locally, and you could assume it was on a disk drive, file system metaphors could work. How the data could be anywhere, your file hierarchy is a crap metaphor for humane interfaces.

      You have no concept whatsoever of where the puck is heading.

  60. Honestly, what files: by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

    honestly, what "files" do you need to share between apps?

    Images. RAW images. Text files. Art. Spreadsheets. Email. Source code. Notes. Calendar data. Stats. IQ data. Recordings. Videos. MIDI data. Preferences and other control information. HTML files. CGI. mp3s. tar, zip, dmg, and other compressed data files. Logs (talking ham radio logs, but yeah, program logs as well.) Screen grabs. You know... FILES.

    And then there are plugins for apps. How to get a feature in one app to appear in another. We know how, it's a doddle, but under IOS... nope.

    Meh, doesn't matter. Know what we're probably going to get? "Flat Icons." Whoopdee farking doo.

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  61. really? by davydagger · · Score: 1

    standard USB connector.

    ogg/flac/opus support

    removal of app kill switch

    xterm + coreutils + bash

    well documented open program API

    unlocked bootloader + weak/no carrier lock

    ability to sync with stuff other than itunes + linux desktop support, to include tethering via USB.

    root access

    the source code.

    If your not willing to provide at least 3/4ths that list, I couldn't care less about it, like I couldn't care less about it now.

  62. Re:simple by jc42 · · Score: 1

    So it supports double sided printing, ...

    Funny, I have a printer plugged into my linux (Ubuntu) box that supposedly does double-sided printing, but many hours of digging around in TFM pages, googling, and experimenting were utterly unsuccessful at getting any 2-sided pages printed. The CUPS there even admitted to me that the printer does this, but I have yet to discover a way to make it actually happen.

    There's also the problem that, for the past year or so, only other linux systems can use this printer. Various Macs see it and think it's working, get no errors, but their files never print, and I get popup print windows saying "Network host '<hostname>' is busy; will retry in <N> seconds...". This state is permanent, with N slowly increasing. Google gets lots of matches for that error message, but I've never found anything saying how to fix the failure. The logfiles on the linux box show no connections at all from the Macs. (My suspicion is that recent updates on the Macs quietly blocked the ability to talk to CUPS servers and/or linux machines. The linux boxes can all use each others' printers, and the few Windows boxes can use them, too, so it's apparently not CUPS that's failing.)

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  63. Re:simple by Perky_Goth · · Score: 1

    You might want to try iFunbox, I don't think it needs a jailbroken iThingy.