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Edward Snowden Still Stuck At Airport, May Be Permitted Entry Into Russia Soon
sl4shd0rk writes "Edward Snowden, the enlightening NSA Whistleblower, may have been granted refuge in Russia as reported by Interfax News. He has apparently been given papers (and a change of clothes) by the Russian government to allow him to soon leave the Sheremetyevo airport. The delay in exodus, cited by a Russian official, is apparently due to the 'uniqueness' of the situation being cause for thorough review of Snowden's Asylum request."
Reports are conflicting; WaPo and Reuters say Snowden's Asylum application is still in limbo, whereas other sources are claiming only minor details are blocking his exit and he may be allowed to leave as early as tomorrow. What is certain is that he's not leaving today despite early reports claiming he could.
Whoa. It's been what, like 3 weeks and I've never seen a laundromat in an airport, especially one that lets you stand there naked. So he's been in the same clothes the whole time. Ugh!
They do have a hotel or something like that in there though, right?
He's just waiting for his luggage to pop out on the carousel
This probably means Snowden has agreed to turn over everything he's got to Russia. That way it can be quietly assimilated at a government level and just kind of go away at the public level. That gives Russia secrets they certainly want, and saves face for America publicly.
Better known as 318230.
I am sorry.
I gave him points for what he did, but they were loss by how he is just hiding across borders, because he doesn't want to face the consequences for his action.
Good job man on following your morals. However you are dumb ass, for not standing up and realizing your actions have consequences. A real hero would gladly go to jail to prove his point. A politically radicalized scumbag would just run away.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
Once he's out, I'm sure the CIA or someone will send in a team to black bag him in the middle of the night.
It's not like they've never done that before.
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
Unreported: how much contact Snowden has had personally with the Russian authorities, just like we have no idea how much contact he had with Hong Kong's.
Is he trading info for asylum?
Let me rephrase this unfounded speculation with the purpose of impugning his character:
Is Edward Snowden selling US secrets because he hates freedom?. We don't know. We're just asking the question. Next on Fox News, why don't we know if Snowden has terrorist connections? Is the mainstream media covering this up? We report, you decide.
If he agrees to wear a muzzle and gag, they may even let him talk to his lawyer at Christmas.
The cow says "Moo." The dog says "Woof." The Timothy says "Thanks, valued customer. We appreciate your input."
He is the story now. What the governement is doing in terms of spying on its own people is now largely forgotten in the news cycles.
"The problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money" - Thatcher.
They're in jail or dead.
they were preemptively "liberated" because jailing them just made them into heroes.
Bradley Manning's treatment got to them. Going to jail for your beliefs is one thing. Spending a year in solitary confinement with guards refusing to let you sleep for *months* and making you strip naked at random times...before you're even *charged*, is quite another. Indepenent of Manning's guilt/innocence, his treatement before his trial was shameful.
Snowden and Assange are going to be in a new reality show produced in Russia
What Happens When We Actually Catch Edward Snowden? http://www.lawfareblog.com/2013/07/what-happens-when-we-actually-catch-edward-snowden/
The government astroturfers are out in full force today.
Bill Clinton: Pimp we can believe in. - The Shirt!!!
Snowden probably does not know yet, but Russians are very much interested in American government secrets. He just might find himself on a fourth floor of Lyubyanka, in a padded room without windows (Lyubyanka is former KGB headquaters, now FSB, did not have a basement jail).
Indepenent of Manning's guilt/innocence, his treatement before his trial was shameful.
Not just shameful, it was criminal. Cruel and unusual punishments are prohibited by the constitution.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
he should be stuck in a US prison,
For what?
He informed us of billions of counts of illegal wiretapping. Whistleblowing isn't a crime.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
He should wear a red & white striped shirt and hat on the next interview.
if (it != oneThing) it = another;
That poll is bullshit. If a third of people don't know who he was, then the number was larger when the propaganda campaign started. All that this poll shows is that most people are ignorant and influenced by propaganda.
And as far as his lawyer, your claims are ridiculous. In his case he needed to hire a lawyer with connections. In Russia than means that he would likely have contacts with the FSB. If he hired someone unconnected, he would be fucked. But that does not mean that Snowden is giving information to the FSB.
All that you are doing is trying to smear Snowden by association, comparison to a spy, and by misleading polls. Your post is nothing but a smear piece. I have to wonder if your fingers felt greasy before clicking 'submit'. Looking through your comment history reads like the posts of a neo-con. You justify the Iraq invasion, you talk about how Afghanistan is better now, you discount the idea of proportionality, and you unequivocally support spying on US citizens. And that is only in the past couple of days. You are a zealot who has no connection to reality, which explains your above post.
It's not an unfounded speculation. We know he revealed information about US spying on China to the Chinese authorities. In any case, putting himself in Russian custody and begging them for favors (asylum) while in possession of tons of classified information is not a good idea if you actually intend to keep that information secret.
Negative moral value of force outweighs the positive value of good intentions.
newer polls are much more positive although broken down by age group a majority of every cohort but the younger ages still thinks he should be prosecuted. still after it became clear that there was far more than phone metadata collection occuring public opinion has shifted more in his favor and probably will continue to when the revelations are tied back to bush administration era attempts to unlawfully expand executive power
I rarely read replies, so don't assume you won your argument just because I don't respond....
I rarely respond, so don't assume your argument wasn't stupid just because I didn't take the time to deconstruct it.
To return your ad hominem attack with another based on your own postings:
"They hate us for our freedom" post
http://entertainment.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2867991&cid=40084835
Iraq is better off because we invaded post
http://entertainment.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2867991&cid=40084745
The Iraq invasion was worth it post including the quote:
http://entertainment.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3981499&cid=44305701
America's fucking with everyone in the world and starting wars, arming contras, etc., was justified because of communism post
http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2725743&cid=39362143
Gitmo prisoners are well treated post
http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3749765&cid=43727743
Waterboarding isn't torture post
http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3749765&cid=43730807
I found all of this in just a 5 minute search. Holy fuck. I now understand why you don't like Snowden. Your moral alignment is 180 degrees off.
I don't understand this mentality. I would say that him releasing the information he did means that he is willing to go to jail or be killed for what he believes in. If he wasn't willing to have that be an option, then he would have kept the info to himself.
Soldiers are, in theory, willing to die for their country. That certainly doesn't mean they purposely go run into the line of fire, and anyone who would suggest that a soldier need to do so in order to prove they're "willing to die for their country" would be ridiculed.
Being willing to suffer the extreme consequences of your actions in no way precludes attempting to avoid those consequences. Unless your cause has something significant to gain by making yourself a martyr, odds are you're of more use alive and free.
Also, would you rather people not expose crime, corruption, and abuse of power if they aren't willing to go full martyr right after their "one-hit-wonder"? If you had the info Snowden did, you probably wouldn't even be brave enough to release it to the public, much less hand yourself right over to the government whose corruption your just exposed.
If you had the info Snowden did, you probably wouldn't even be brave enough to release it to the public, much less hand yourself right over to the government whose corruption your just exposed.
A thousand times this ^ . When you deal with the NSA the first thing they do is let you know that they'll be climbing up inside your ass before you get your clearance, and that they will continue to monitor and track you for the rest of your life "just in case" you decide to do what Snowden did.
If your ethics dictate that you'll keep an immoral secret, you have no ethics. Snowden should be lauded, not lampooned.
Spending a year in solitary confinement with guards refusing to let you sleep for *months* and making you strip naked at random times...before you're even *charged*,
Manning probably regrets making a gratuitous suicide threat, don't you think?
" Manning told a guard that if he wanted to kill himself, he could hang himself with the waistband of his underwear." -- more
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
Snowden has been planning this for years. Do you think he hadn't though about that possibility? The Guardian reporter was quite clear that Snowden doesn't want the information falling into the wrong hands. To that end, according to the reporter, the information he is carrying is heavily encrypted and he doesn't have the keys. He spread copies of the encrypted data and copies of the keys to trusted associates around the world. If something happens to him, then they can share their keys and reveal the information. While the Russians could break it in time, by then the information will have considerably less value.
It's not an unfounded speculation. We know he revealed information about US spying on China to the Chinese authorities. In any case, putting himself in Russian custody and begging them for favors (asylum) while in possession of tons of classified information is not a good idea if you actually intend to keep that information secret.
Is this true? I haven't been following the case that close but if Snowden did do this then yes he is a traitor.
1. The CIA has taken everything but the clothes on his back at the airport. Too many eyes are looking for extraordinary rendition, but that doesn't mean they haven't take all of his luggage in the middle of the night.
2. The government has locked all of his assets.
He has no secrets to sell Russia, the USA wouldn't let him sit in an airport for a month if he, still, had anything of value. Do you see him on youtube? He doesn't have a computer, he doesn't have anything but the clothes on his back. I doubt he's still in the airport, but if he is I want the Daily Show or Colbert to go interview him.
Like Manning before him, Snowden was a pretty low level guy (you know a GED), it's unlikely that the Chinese, Russian, Israeli, British, etc, governments don't already have assets at a higher level than either of these guys.
You are a fucking neo-con and you call my ideas from the fringe? How many wars started, people killed, and rights crushed will it take for your to realize that history has rejected your bullshit?
It is not Snowden's fault that the government created a surveillance program that violated the 4th Amendment. He bravely exposed that. And working at the CIA and NSA, if his goal was to give information to the Russians for asylum, he could have collected far more valuable information on foreign intelligence than domestic spying. He is a whistleblower, not a spy. And as anyone who has taken an official oath in the US knows, all oaths go to the US Constitution first. You claim that he has violated trust and lied, while it is clear that he has upheld a trust that even high levels of our government can't. And unlike them, he has never lied under oath. So screw your broken philosophy where there is no government accountability over spying programs and when somebody points this out they get thrown into an oubliette. And screw all of your other philosophies where you believe the ends justifies the means. The US Constitution was based on principle, not your Machiavellian bullshit.
The United States maintains diplomatic relations, but according to the above-mentioned list, does NOT have extradition treaties with the following countries: Afghanistan, Algeria, Andorra, Angola, Armenia, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belarus, Brunei, Burkina Faso, Burma, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameroon, Cape Verde, the Central African Republic, Chad, China (except Hong Kong), Comoros, Congo (Kinshasa), Congo (Brazzaville), Djibouti, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Gabon, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Indonesia, Ivory Coast, Kazakhstan, Kosovo, Kuwait, Laos, Lebanon, Libya, Macedonia, Madagascar, Maldives, Mali, Marshall Islands, Mauritania, Micronesia, Moldova, Mongolia, Montenegro, Morocco, Mozambique, Namibia, Nepal, Niger, Oman, Qatar, Russia, Rwanda, Samoa, São Tomé & PrÃncipe, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Somalia, Sudan, South Sudan, Syria, Togo, Tunisia, Uganda, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan, Vanuatu, Vatican, Vietnam, Yemen, and the countries formerly part of Yugoslavia: Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Serbia, Macedonia, Montenegro, and Kosovo.
The United States is negotiating an extradition treaty with Taiwan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition_law_in_the_United_States#International_extradition
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