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Russia Proposes Banning Foul Language On the Internet
eldavojohn writes "In a country where it's illegal to insult a government official, State Duma Deputy Yelena Mizulina has proposed an amendment to ban swearing on social networks, bulletin boards and all websites. The website would be blocked if the offending material had not been removed within 24 hours. The name of the law this would be added to? "On the protection of children from information harmful to their health and development." Mizulina's title in regards to this legislation? Chairwoman of the Committee on Family, Women and Children (No joke!). Of course, Yelena Mizulina is no stranger to unwarranted censorship as she was behind the law banning gay propaganda to minors and invoked laws to try to silence critics on twitter. The article also notes, 'United Russia deputy Vitaly Milonov put forward a similar initiative on 25 July. He proposed to tighten control over social networks and allow people to dating sites through their passports.'"
In Soviet Russia, foul language bans you!
I can see the future of the internet. There will always be somebody in authority wanting to ban something.
Ban foul language? Fuck that shit!
"Well what the hell are we supposed to use? Harsh language?" ...aww crap....dang....errrm....!@#$%^&*(
How is that not the present?
Be careful before joking on the Internet. In the US that is enough to send you to jail.
Fuck Why the capital 'F' I do not know.
They DO live in Russia, after all. Come to think of it, that probably explains the drinking too.
The cow says "Moo." The dog says "Woof." The Timothy says "Thanks, valued customer. We appreciate your input."
its for the CHILDREN FOR GODS sakes!!!
never bring a twinkie to a food fight.
When are people going to learn, democracy doesn't work. -HJS
Are they planning to make the Internet the only place in Russia that's free of cursing? Cursing is more endemic to Russia than drinking.
Any guest worker system is indistinguishable from indentured servitude.
Go F**k Yourself. And, after that, Go s**k your own d**k
I think you might need to get some of the crap out of your keyboard. Your "U", "I" and "C" keys seem to be outputting asterisks for some reason.
This will definitely work. They won't even need to resort to a filter. I'm sure that all of the teenagers, who are just learning to swear, will see the newly published rules and follow the rules. The culture of the internet will accept such a proposal, much in the same way that we have chosen to always post well reasoned, researched contributions.
I always thought French was a foul language... Is Russia planning to ban French?
French isn't a foul language, it's just that speaking it makes my nose bleed. ;)
That's just because his password contains u, c, and i.
I've never understood how things like this weren't sexist as well. Are the elderly not family? Are husbands not family? At my school we had (past tense) an organization called "the women's center" that would help women find financial aid and loan out books free of charge. I'm not opposed to feminism or women's rights, but isn't that just as sexist? Like black history month and affirmative action are racist?
Maybe I'm just ignorant, I'm sure if that's the case someone here will be more than happy to inform me.
I once listened to a series of lectures about string theory, and one of the Japanese lecturers kept referring to "brack hos".
Better with the UN than with the U$A...
OK, how do you say WTF in Russian?
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
- we just use bad words as ordinary speech (My russkie matom ne rugaemsya - my matom razgovarivaem).
And all this curse-banning circus has the only purpose that isn't exposed: To promote Internet filters that will be (and are) used for any purpose THEY like. No wonder that I2P NetDB contains more Russian nodes than any other country's.
how cute, slashdot doesn't support UTF-8 in 2013. :(
either that OR PUTIN HAS GOTTEN TO THEM
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
"Go F**k Yourself."
You mean " "?
People/humans interpreting sound as "foul" are foul in their brain structure and need to clean up their neural wiring. Similar all that religious junk going around and what else have you.
Better with the UN than with the U$A...
That's like saying it's better to leave your kids in the care of Albert Fish than John Gacy.
An enigma, wrapped in a riddle, shrouded in bacon and cheese
Go F**k Yourself. And, after that, Go s**k your own d**k
I think you might need to get some of the crap out of your keyboard. Your "U", "I" and "C" keys seem to be outputting asterisks for some reason.
[Insert Slashdot/UTF-8 support joke here]
An enigma, wrapped in a riddle, shrouded in bacon and cheese
Anonymous Cowards proclaiming their freedom to swear and not even daring to spell out "fuck" properly. Cunts.
I even tried KOI-8R -- it does not work.
I think it is because you can get so many "interesting" symbols from a standard unicode table to represent almost anything, but than again -- Slashdot was never censored.
If it's just the foul words, then work around them.
* Consume feces and expire!
* Perform coitus upon yourself!
* You present-day Oedipus!
> In a country where it's illegal to insult a government official,
> scum-sucking, pimple-biting, turd-chugging, goat-humping, measel-loaded festering fistula of a human State Duma
> Deputy Yelena Mizulina has proposed an amendment to ban swearing on social networks, bulletin boards and all websites.
FTFY
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
What is wrong with "Committee on Family, Women and Children"?
That this Committee is a mask of "United Russia", universally named here "Party of Crooks and Thieves" (See Wikipedia article "United Russia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Russia
News sites should quit doing this, Russia is a land mass and can not ban anything, the asshats in the State Duma otoh might come up with crap like this.
'USA thinks it should invade North Korea'
See how that works, propagandist news style that is 99% lie.
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How would Russians communicate without cursing?
It is by the juice of the coffee bean that thoughts acquire speed, the teeth acquire stains. The stains become a warning
"Committee on Family, Women and Children" was a standard Soviet pressure-tool for dissimination of propaganda and criticism of NATO nations at any convenience. See also "Committee of Peace".
LMAO I would think RUSSIAN would be the very first language the proxy would support... if not written in.
"The website would be blocked if the offending material had not been removed within 24 hours. "
Snowden better get his shit straight soon. He's not going to be able to reach anything but fuzzy kitten websites within a couple weeks and even then... one bad translation of "Pussy" and there goes lolcats.
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Lame attempt to spice up the intro.
It's the same in many countries, including many democracies such as France, India...
Regardless of your constitutional rights, I suggest it's also a very bad idea in the US of A.
That said, I have travelled and worked a lot in the USA and Russia, plus other more 'exotic' spots such as the Middle East, (including Israel), North Africa, Central and South America....
Never had any problem with the police or other officials, at all...
(Indeed, one time in the USA, the officer who stopped me for doing an illegal u turn coming out of a "gentleman's bar" was kind enough to escort me to the hotel, since I did not know the way and my colleagues were totally hammered...)
Be polite. It works.
So, let's pretend for a moment that banning foul language isn't completely ridiculous, but a worthy goal from Russian government. There's still a practical problem... how?
First of all, the censorsh... (oops, "child protection") department will need to monitor consistently all sites in the Russosphere, and maybe some in the Anglosphere. Some of those won't reside in Russian Federation, and RF's gov asking the responsible countries' govs for info about the criminal swearing scum will at least result in a "lolshto" (lol, what?) from the other govs.
Second, does Mizulina really think this is feasible? How? Censors? Well, good luck, they would need all Russian tech-savvy population for that... (exactly the ones they want to control).
Filters? Hell, it's hard to make those for Latin-based languages, but almost impossible for Cyrillic-based ones! Let's say you ban a swear word in Russian (I would use examples, but /. filters all Cyrillic letters). They would need to filter the word itself, anny misspell (intentional or not), different transliterations to Latin, Volapük encoding (a leetspeak-like transliteration using Latin letters that resemble Cyrillic ones), plus, any tactics the internet use regardless of language to avoid filters (like writing pr0n, FML, phuck...).
To show the infeasibility of that, I used a three-letters swearing, khuj ("dick") as example. Just on top of my mind, I got twelve variations - you can bet any Russian native can bring a dozen more. (Here: http://pastebin.com/bcH2bg2S ).
Third and last: if they do manage to make a comprehensible list of swear words with all the variations, just imagine the amount of false positives on an international scale - like Russian gov annoying Brazilian one because someone wrote "curva" in a fucking blog! (just "curve" in Portuguese, but an acceptable transliteration for kurva ["whore"] in Russian).
Frankly... I'm not worried with this censorship being implemented at all, but rather, the intentions behind it.
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Well, you fill in the blanks and it says something about your personality. I code a lot so what popped in my head was
"Go fork yourself. And, after that, go seek your own disks."
I suppose that someone who does food processing might see "go soak your own ducks" and so on.
All this internet censorship of foul language, gratuitous sex and graphic violence (possibly all at the same time) is really just HBO's latest scheme to stop people torrenting Game of Thrones...
In a survey of 100 programmers, 111111 thought that duck-typing was a good idea.
Nope, unless you want freedom loving organizations like the islamic controlled 'human rights commission' to have say in running things.. While rampant socialist (and, yes, that includes the corporate sponsored variety) censorship and 'political correctness' are squeezing through the cracks and politician-punched holes in the US constitution, the other major powers represented by the UN are decidedly NOT in favor of things like free speech or calling out the emperor's stupidity for what it is. America is getting pretty bad, I agree, but this problem is way worse elsewhere.
I'm not opposed to feminism or women's rights, but isn't that just as sexist? Like black history month and affirmative action are racist?
Any serious answer to that will involve the word "privilege". The person writing it will use that word in a way that doesn't match any definition you have ever heard used before. As they explain their use, your blood pressure will steadily increase until your eyes start bulging and you start screaming at the monitor at the almost inconceivable suppression of rational thought it must take someone to memorize such a large volume of internally inconsistent drivel.
Absolutely. People who believe the UN is some kind of benevolent force are completely deluded.
Python: 'And then suddenly you have a language which says "we're all stuck with whatever the whiniest coder wants".'
Committee name includes family, women, and children. Perhaps if their families included men the children wouldn't need the government to protect them.
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And you ass clowns want to take control of TLD's away from ICANN
I personally don't care. There are 2 kinds of Internet activity. First one uses some domain names given by authorities according to specific rules and revoked or banned by censors. The second one uses cryptographic hashes as addresses and cannot be banned.
And the faster the censors kill the DNS the sooner the uncensorable Internet will appear.
You can just go Yelena your Mizulina, you filthy Vitaly Milonov.
Cole's Law: Thinly sliced cabbage
If you ban all curse words then people will simply invent new curse words and, most likely, words that you can't ban. Or words that if they ban them have hilarious side effects. Like, say, Putin.
Go putin yourself. You're such a putin. Your mother is such a putin.
This women can go and fuck herself. This is a excellent example what is happening in Russia, as this is nothing but censorship China style. Democracy is dead in Russia today, thanks to Putin and his evil minions.
Fucking tanks.
"Lack of speed can be overcome. In the worst case by patience." --Znork
Go F**k Yourself. And, after that, Go s**k your own d**k
I think you might need to get some of the crap out of your keyboard. Your "U", "I" and "C" keys seem to be outputting asterisks for some reason.
That's not garbage in the keyboard, it's backed up garbage between the ears. It probably has a tendency to leak out of the mouth too.
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
Fuck that. Fuck your censorship. Fuck YOU.
The entire world doesn't need to be made safe for children.
Shit piss fuck cunt cocksucker motherfucker and tits.
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
Anonymous Cowards proclaiming their freedom to swear and not even daring to spell out "fuck" properly. Cunts.
But that's how they spell it in their country. D*mned arrogant *mericans! Don't even have the letter "*" in their alphabet!
At least he didn't spell out l*wy*r.
Understanding the scope of the problem is the first step on the path to true panic.
And has steadfastly failed to do so for years -- not exactly news.
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
Pardon my French...
Is 1563649 a prime number?
Even suggesting these hypocrisies might exist will get you labeled a 'hater'. Welcome to the newspeak/doublethink world of political correctness. You are, in fact, correct: People who are not on the current in-play protected list (whether it's race, gender or something else), have no rights. They are expected to shut up and pick up the slack when 'equality' becomes inconvenient for those on the list.
Dronestrike in 3, 2, 1...
How inappropriate to call this planet Earth, when clearly it is Ocean.
I think the hope is that the UN will be so split about any minor issue concerning the internet, that they will at worst endlessly debate and vote on censorship, but nothing will ever get done. So basicly the internet will forever be left to it's own devices.
This hope is not unfounded, given the previous record of the UN not getting stuff done.
We nearly had it far worse than this. In 1996, a law was passed called the Communications Decent Act. Initial drafts made any ISP where a packet of someone writing "fuck" criminally liable for the traffic (it made all ISPs considered as content makers, thus they "owned" any traffic coming from their peerings). The final draft made it a Federal crime of 2-10 years to use profanity.
The law never saw a day of enforcement. It was soon struck down by a lower court, then killed forever by a 7-2 verdict by SCOTUS.
So, it did happen here in a worse way than any of this ever even dreamed.
Your "U", "I" and "C" keys seem to be outputting asterisks for some reason.
No, those are the places where his password hiding browser extension works. The "f", "s", "k", and "d" keys are broken and are leaking his password information.
Ezekiel 23:20
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I for one welcome all such draconian laws, just moves the revolution that much closer, if they do get carried away.
yayy ammo
Well... They can probably never agree on anything so no new regulations will be introduced :)
First, stop daddy from chugging vodka and beating the wife and kids in a drunken stupor. I'm sure that does a lot more damage than the occasional What-The-Fuck.
Have gnu, will travel.
We already are committing ethnic suicide. Or, more precisely, we are being replaced with more controllable electorate.
Ivan's problem isn't Ivan, but i don't see boat loads of people trying to live and work in russia. Could it be that there are people just as smart as Ivan? Could Ivan be the second coming? Or are people bascially smart enough so as to go on with their dreams, and have no problem ignoring Ivan?
This is the slippery slope that I mentioned earlier in a post about the UK censorship of websites deemed to have "adult" content. First, it starts with websites that have "adult" content, then the censorship goes into many other types including bad words, anti-government or subversive content, anti-semitism content, political opponents speech, etc. Then it gets to a point where it will serach and replace on bad content and change it to good content or remove just the posts themselves so no one can see them. Once you have a content filter in place, its extremely easy to make it turn into the Great Firewall of China within a few months or years. This is why these things are just so damaging to the citizens of any country, especially ones that are founded on democratic principles. It doesn't make you more free, it takes away freedom. The bottom line is that when you pay for a pipe, you should get that pipe, not a pipe that has been changed or restricted in any way. To do so is censorship.
Hasn't this been tried about a million times before, with the same result every single time? That's where 7334 came from, after all, to get around word filters. Are they going to ban euphemisms, abbreviations, innuendo, and implications as well? Didn't work before, won't work this time. They may as well just ban the internet entirely.
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
This law is enacted nominally to protect the kids from foul language? What about us poor adults? 99% of the time I read or hear somebody egregiously misusing foul language, the author or speaker is underage. Ever go on XBox Live? Yeah. Tweets? Blogs? It's the same. That's not to say their elders don't drop a few cuss words here and there but by and far, in my experience, it's the younger set that are abusing those words. And I'm fairly certain they didn't learn those words from the Internet.
So Russia, please stop wasting your time on pointless legislature. Better to spend your time working on an Internet-enabled "smack to the head" button; trust me, it will be far more effective at civilizing discourse on the world wide web.
No I don't think so, If there's one thing that all the members of the UN Security Council can agree on it's that its imperative to have total control over the message. Whatever message that might be. Anyone who doesn't love and respect their great leaders are terrorist and their message can't be allowed to be heard or else others might become infected with ideas. Idea's that are not approved by our great leaders are dangerous and can spell disaster the likes that have never been seen on earth. We have to think of the children, protect them from hearing anything that could hurt them and make them not love there respective country. All messages must be controlled or horrible things will happen. Freedom of thought can't be allowed to spread...
I honestly don't want any nation or group of nations to control the Internet. I want basement dwelling nerds to maintain the Internet. I don't want them making any rules, I just want them to maintain and improve the speed and function of greatest creation ever to slip past governmental oversight...
I don't know how this can be done but I pray for all of us. My god protect the Internet for it is GOOD in all of its troll infested, donkey porn, spam filled, flame war greatness... Ah-men...
A solitary figure in 10 Downing Street wonders why he didn't think of this?
For the children! For the women! For decency! For Czar Putin!
-- Using the preview button since 2005
Playing the "think of the children" card, eh? Fuck You Russia!
I don't curse. Ever. (Yes, I know I'm a freak of nature.) However, even *I* see this as a horrible thing. Why if people curse it's their responsibility. I'm also the parent of young kids and the fact that people curse online is the least of my concerns when my kids go online. (Higher up on the list are people who would try to scam them or harm them in some way.)
Once Russia bans curse words, I predict a rise in "alternative" curse words. Instead of saying "the F word", they could say Frell. Instead of "the S word", they could say Scrap. Kind of like how the producers of MASH weren't allowed to use the word "virgin" in one episode so, in their next episode, they had someone say he was from the "Virgin Islands." People will rebel and find ways around the system. Then either the system will need to expand to include all possible words that could be used as curse words (pretty much the entire dictionary) or it will become so ineffective as to be useless for its intended purpose.
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Poshel na hui! Idi ebyai svou mat!
I...they do realize how much this infrastructure is going to cost, and how even after they pay for it, it's still not going to work right, da? I mean, it's going to cripple their economy, slow down their network speeds, introduce errors and additional work for both the techs and the courts, and increase complexity of their networks (something which makes engineers very, very unhappy...especially for 'features' like these).
Just...you can't stop people from cursing in front of you, using their own mouths...what, exactly, makes you think this is somehow possible with the internet? I swear, it's like social people have zero understanding of how technology works...and even less how their own society, and human nature works, which is weird, since they're supposed to be the 'social' people. Morality can't be mandated since it's so ill-defined...every case of morality runs into scenarios where exceptions occur...hell, that's why there are so many philosophers, priests, etc. (aside from the cushy job, 3 minute work week, and nice perks) who spend such time trying to figure out, what, exactly, occurs in a moral situation where you've outlawed murder, and murder is the only way to prevent things from getting worse (hello military / police officers; was it justified, was there another way, or are we just violent animals? if non-lethal is supposed to be so effective, and better than guns, what do we do when someone uses it to torture someone else for hours? is not a gun better then, because it requires someone to really ask if they want to stand before a judge, explaining why they killed a suspect? or can no one be trusted to handle weaponry, since every situation allows for abuse?). That kind of stuff.
I am John Hurt.
Just wait a bit and US government may implement the same laws and then "Dear You" will need to F**k yourself (your sentence, not mine).
Remember discussions about China's internet censorship here on /.. Those same things are now in place in the UK (and may come to US soon).
Do it for the kids, yeah!
Or Russian
That is all.
I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
An oldie, yet very apropos, from Artemy Lebedev of the OLED keyboard fame.
My exception safety is -fno-exceptions.
Tell them where to be putin it!
Table-ized A.I.
Does it work better as: "Go *uc* yourself. And, after that, Go *uc* your own *ic*"?
Any site involved better tell them to fuck off.
Any web site that goes along with it, may be subject to retaliations from the public, or Anonymous.
it's russia.. they're subject to retaliations of authority.
basically it'll be a ban on saying that putin is an asshole.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
Pussy Riot members are about to get out of jail? And Pussy is included in the list of "swear" words? Let me google it. Hmm, 2 years sentence passed down on August 2012, but they were arrested in March 2012, so if they get timed served, then March 2014. So to me, the timing is about right.
I guess Putin really fears the Pussy.
Be seeing you...
Go F**k Yourself. And, after that, Go s**k your own d**k. Idiots. Is this enough to be arrested there? Just wondering...
Yes, it is. Not under the proposed profanity laws (which are, well, proposed). But under the recently approved law that prohibits propaganda of "deviant sexual behavior" to minors. I believe that sucking one's own dick qualifies (heck, Mizulina said that oral sex in general would qualify!), and I'm sure there are minors reading Slashdot.
Note though that all this silliness doesn't have to do much with Russians, but rather with the government. There has been an ultraconservative revival of sorts among politicians lately, and they've been busy sucking it up to the Church and looking for witches to burn.
What is wrong with "Committee on Family, Women and Children"?. I am a man and I did not understand what is wrong.
As usual, the more explicitly benign the name sounds, the more likely it is to be something oppressive. You know, kinda like Democratic People's Republic of Korea.
In this particular case, the more appropriate name of the committee would be "Committee on Censorship".
! . Really? Seriously?