Google Replaces AT&T At Starbucks

This was definitely needed! by ZorinLynx · 2013-07-31 15:06 · Score: 5, Interesting

It's about freaking time!

Whenever I go to Starbucks I often find myself turning OFF my Wi-Fi because my (also AT&T, strangely) LTE cellular connection is several times faster than the Wi-Fi there. Sometimes I even have trouble sending something as low-bandwidth as a freaking tweet!

I think Starbucks uses slow consumer-grade DSL connections, because that's what it feels like. Upstream capacity is severely limited, and downstream is only slightly less so. I remember attempting a Facetime call and getting less than one frame per second in both directions and constant reconnecting...turned off Wi-Fi and it was smooth as silk.

Meanwhile, my experience in Starbucks in Canada (where they don't use AT&T) is far superior.

Re:This was definitely needed! by jtownatpunk.net · 2013-07-31 15:20 · Score: 3, Informative

Same here except substitute Verizon for AT&T and hotels for Starbucks. One time, I was staying in a motel in the middle of a large city and their internet service felt as slow as satellite. Huge latency, mediocre speeds. When I went out to the car, I saw a friggin' DirecWay dish at the end of the building. I could only assume that they had some ridiculous contract that required they put satellite internet at all of their locations. Another hotel limited their free internet to 1mb down. If you wanted 10mb, you had to pay something like $10/day. Ridonkulous.
Now I just fire up the hotspot on my phone and get service almost as fast as my cablemodem at home and nobody else can [easily] access the data on my WPA2 connection. If I was really paranoid, I'd use wired tethering. Even if I'm really out in the sticks, I still get 3G and that's plenty good for surfing.
Re:This was definitely needed! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-07-31 16:59 · Score: 4, Insightful

Of course it's slow. High speed internet is expensive. Starbucks are locally owned and can't just splurge on faster internet for the freeloaders. The question is how is Google actually going to get higher speeds. They can't just wave a magic wand and suddenly the wires improve. They're going to be eating a lot of cash to upgrade stuff.
But sheesh, it's coffee. Buy your drink then LEAVE.
Re:This was definitely needed! by l0ungeb0y · 2013-07-31 17:54 · Score: 1

I think Starbucks uses slow consumer-grade DSL connections
No, they were probably using business class. I found out that AT&T Business class DSL has only about 1.3Mbps downstream, which is less than worthless and no higher speeds. This is because they want business class customers to go to Leased Lines, which is an absolute Joke.
Re:This was definitely needed! by MSG · 2013-07-31 18:35 · Score: 1

I've experienced the same from time to time, and typically what I find is that someone in the cafe (or more than one person) is/are streaming hi def video and ruining the entire network for everyone.
Re:This was definitely needed! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-07-31 18:44 · Score: 4, Funny

Starbucks coffee is pretty good. It's not the absolute highest end fine european coffee, but it's far better than the swill most americans drinks. Starbucks actually tastes like coffee, not just milk. I can drink starbucks black, it isn't bitter at all, because they extract it correctly. For most people, Starbucks is the best coffee around. Snobby fancy local coffee shops serving on fair-trade, organic, single origin, specialty coffee, are far and few between.
Re:This was definitely needed! by 93+Escort+Wagon · 2013-07-31 18:45 · Score: 1

But sheesh, it's coffee. Buy your drink then LEAVE.
They want you to stay so they can sell you more stuff. And while I don't do it very often, it is a really handy spot if (for example) you want to hang around someplace for 60-90 minutes rather than drive 30 minutes home and then turn around and drive 30 minutes back because your daughter has an appointment and hasn't seen fit to get her drivers license yet... theoretically...

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Re:This was definitely needed! by adolf · 2013-07-31 20:35 · Score: 1

Neighbors, perhaps?
My local coffee shop (not a Starbucks, thankfully) has had free Internet since before WiFi became a thing that was useful -- there are still Ethernet jacks next to the tables.
Once WiFi went from useful to commonplace, the speeds slowed to a crawl.
What changed? The neighbors' ability to easily steal bandwidth.
But lately it's been fast enough: For the past year or so, they've used WPA with a passphrase that changes daily. It's posted on the chalk board with along with the drink specials, so it's not exactly a well-kept secret, but it does seem to keep the freeloaders at bay.
(Although I must say: One of these days I should approach the owner with a WRT54GL loaded with Tomato, and see if he'll let me install it. Net neutrality be damned: Good and forceful QoS at that level is a godsend on a heavily-burdened DSL pipe, and can allow everyone to do what everyone wants to do while still being responsive and fast.)
*And as an unreferenced footnote: I've seen LTE speed tests on my phone be in the 25/25Mbps range. Which sure is cute, but it is not exactly affordable for any length of time, and latency still sucks: If I want to watch a video or play a game, I want to use free WiFi if I can.

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Re:This was definitely needed! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-07-31 21:55 · Score: 1

Starbucks coffee is pretty good.
It tastes no better than that bile from Dunkin Donuts that comes in 5 litre boxes. Ugh.

I can drink starbucks black, it isn't bitter at all, because they extract it correctly.

Every bean is scorched so that it tastes the same worldwide. That's certainly not 'extracting' it correctly, it's called 'burning the beans' and it's what makes it bitter.
Re:This was definitely needed! by Zenin · 2013-07-31 22:10 · Score: 4, Insightful

Starbucks are locally owned and [...]
No, they aren't. With few exceptions they are all 100% company owned (at least in the 'States).
Starbucks is not a franchise, which is why they've been able to push out so many local coffee shops. With the weight of the entire corporation able to be brought to bear at any single location, they've been able to run locations at a loss for years right next to mom & pop shops. The "genius" here is that they don't need to do better then the mom & pop to win...they simply need to reduce the income of the mom & pop shop enough to make them unprofitable...and then wait them out until they leave. Then with the location clear of competition they get all the business.
NOT being locally owned is the key to Starbuck's domination.

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Re:This was definitely needed! by MBGMorden · 2013-08-01 01:25 · Score: 2

Hotel wireless is universally crappy in my opinion. You either have to pay some ridiculous fee for it ($10 per day), or its so slow and spotty that I'll have trouble Googling restaurants just to find directions.
Lately I too have taken to simply tethering my phone to the laptop whenever I'm in a hotel room. The connection is more stable, fast, and never costs extra. I do the wired tether not for security reasons but I like the fact that by connecting it I'm both using my phone and charging it at the same time.

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Re:This was definitely needed! by Zibodiz · 2013-08-01 01:58 · Score: 1

Bingo. I've serviced them plenty of times... it's just ordinary DSL, with a router that gives priority to the store PC (if they choose to use it, many don't), and the best speed test I've ever seen is less than 2Mbps when I was using the 'store manager' Ethernet jack. Pretty pathetic when you split it between 15 customers. Heck, that's pathetic just going to one person.
Re:This was definitely needed! by gl4ss · 2013-08-01 02:01 · Score: 1

..if they are streaming and not watching a local video.
multiples can't ruin it for everyone since they wouldn't be able to stream it themselves even..

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Re:This was definitely needed! by fast+turtle · 2013-08-01 02:50 · Score: 1

Good? If you consider the cheapest grade of Columbian bean that's then over roasted to be good. I've paid the same and gotten a better grade of bean, grind and roast from a custom shop then I've ever had from Starbucks. Simply put, Starbucks coffee is not fit to drink plus it's over priced. Not bad from a business standpoint but sure as hell useless from the consumer standpoint and yes, it doesn't take that much effort to locate a place with much better grades for the same price per pound that Starbucks charges. Even Gevallia is better and it's no more expensive.

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Re: This was definitely needed! by lymond01 · 2013-08-01 03:10 · Score: 1

The year was 1996. The place, New York City, center of the known universe. I spent my time solving Quickmail issues at a growing ad agency. 80 users on three floors, all fed through a single 56K modem. It would dial up as needed if no one held the connection open, so sometimes there was a 40 second pause, and if you sat close enough to the server room, you'd hear the tell tale beeps and whirrs of the modem dialing.
Soon after we upgraded to ISDN, doubling our speeds. Then to a quarter T1. Finally we had Bank of America as a client and they bought us a T1 for the Internet, and a secure T1 from NYC to SF for business with them.
It was the pinnacle of Internet access for me and my time at the agency. We had 150 users by then, an interactive department focusing on web design. Of course, with our connection maxing out at around 1 megabit per second, they were still concerned with keeping animated gifs under 6K.
And we liked it. We loved it.
Re:This was definitely needed! by pak9rabid · 2013-08-01 03:17 · Score: 1

I think Starbucks uses slow consumer-grade DSL connections, because that's what it feels like. Upstream capacity is severely limited, and downstream is only slightly less so. I remember attempting a Facetime call and getting less than one frame per second in both directions and constant reconnecting...turned off Wi-Fi and it was smooth as silk.
You, sir, are correct (source: I used to work for Wayport/AT&T).
Re:This was definitely needed! by bill_mcgonigle · 2013-08-01 04:36 · Score: 1

Hotel wireless is universally crappy in my opinion. You either have to pay some ridiculous fee for it ($10 per day), or its so slow and spotty that I'll have trouble Googling restaurants just to find directions.
My experience has been different - the $10/day Hilton has a content filter, traffic shaping and captive portals with DHCP servers that are sometimes down and unreachable. The manager at the La Quinta ordered a DSL connection, plugged in the box that came in the mail and never did anything else, so it works. I sometimes think that the big hotels wish they could get you to agree to an EULA to plug in your shaver to charge. That crap needs to die.
Lately I too have taken to simply tethering my phone to the laptop whenever I'm in a hotel room. The connection is more stable, fast, and never costs extra.
Me too, though I often pay for data.

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Re:This was definitely needed! by Sabah+Arif · 2013-08-01 04:56 · Score: 1

Starbucks is also selling a pleasantly decorated space where its coffee can be enjoyed while surfing the internet. Otherwise, they wouldn't have tables, just a bar in the Italian-style.
Re:This was definitely needed! by Thud457 · 2013-08-01 05:27 · Score: 1

We are here at Starbucks, where we've secretly replaced the fine wifi they usually serve with Google. Let's see if anyone can tell the difference!"

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Re:This was definitely needed! by mattack2 · 2013-08-01 11:07 · Score: 1

But he said it's not bitter.
Re:This was definitely needed! by ZorinLynx · 2013-08-02 03:39 · Score: 1

> I sometimes think that the big hotels wish they could get you to agree to an EULA to plug in your shaver to charge.
It is so refreshing when I join a Wi-Fi network somewhere and I'm immediately online, without any stupid web pages to click "agree" on.
Every time I find one of these networks in the wild it's like striking gold. Also they are almost invariably fast, since they're not laden with stupid filters and throttling.

That'll be great until... by agapeton · 2013-07-31 15:10 · Score: 5, Insightful

...Google decides to cancel the service all the sudden.

Re:That'll be great until... by Anonymous Coward · 2013-07-31 15:21 · Score: 5, Funny

Says the man logging in through Google.
Re:That'll be great until... by phrostie · 2013-08-01 00:06 · Score: 1

this is really an evil ploy to make ATT look good.
give it time.
you'll miss our old imperial overlords.

Uh oh.. by fred911 · 2013-07-31 15:16 · Score: 4, Insightful

Please sign in with your Google+ account and accept our TOS!

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Re:Uh oh.. by game+kid · 2013-07-31 15:27 · Score: 2

You spent real money for your latte. Now cough up your real name for YouTube!

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Re:Uh oh.. by mjwx · 2013-07-31 17:09 · Score: 4, Insightful

Please sign in with your Google+ account and accept our TOS!
Which to be fair, is probably several times less abusive than the AT&T TOS that Starbucks accepted on your behalf.

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Re:Uh oh.. by bickerdyke · 2013-07-31 19:04 · Score: 3, Funny

My name was already written down and shouted through the room by that guy behind that effing huge coffeemaker...

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Re:Uh oh.. by Anonymous Coward · 2013-07-31 22:13 · Score: 1

You use your real name? I know people who give superhero/superheroine names because the Starbucks staff can't get the names right.
Re:Uh oh.. by postbigbang · 2013-08-01 00:30 · Score: 1

Read them and weep. Google owns your information. Best reason to find a VDI or proxy provider, ever.
The fools that believe in Google's majesty will live to regret it, IMHO. Not that AT&T is anything nore than Southwestern Bell with lipstick and a stuffed jock.

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Re:Uh oh.. by Anonymous Coward · 2013-08-01 03:16 · Score: 1

Don't forget to read our special PRISM TOS as well. By denying it you still agree to PRISM's TOS and the denial will be logged and flagged for suspicion.
Re:Uh oh.. by rthille · 2013-08-01 03:25 · Score: 2

Yep, Jean-Baptiste Emanuel Zorg, your coffee is ready.

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Re:Uh oh.. by chauc3r · 2013-08-01 05:32 · Score: 1

That is hardly true. This isnt coming up to much in conversations but Google is a HUGE advocate of taking your data and making money off of it. They are going to do the same thing at Starbucks. You will have no right to privacy connecting to a Google provided network.
Re:Uh oh.. by Valdrax · 2013-08-01 06:18 · Score: 1

What kind of paranoid person would give their real name to people at the counter?
For the record, my name isn't actually George P. Burdell.

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Re:Uh oh.. by steelfood · 2013-08-01 06:44 · Score: 1

Yeah, but nobody said that had to be your real name, so long as you get your order.

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Correction: by bengoerz · 2013-07-31 15:19 · Score: 2

Google demonstrates ability to rapidly expand their carrier services nationwide through partnering with established carriers. Passersby injured from falling bricks shat from oligolpolistic ISPs atop their high horses.

More bandwidth for them by cashman73 · 2013-07-31 15:21 · Score: 1

It more than likely will not mean faster Internet speeds for customers, but they will have mow bandwidth so more customers can get online. Most free wi-fi hotspots cap bandwidth at 1 MBPS. That gives enough for basic web surfing and email, and maybe the occasional short YouTube clip. But it's not enough for heavy use, like watching Netflix or BitTorrent. Places like Starbucks probably want to keep it that way, too -- more customer turnover = more money. More happy customers that can access wi-fi easier = mow returning customers.

Re:More bandwidth for them by fermion · 2013-07-31 16:04 · Score: 2, Insightful

It is possible that Google will use this opportunity to collect data, track the users across networks, This will probably be very valuable. Hooking up directly to Google hardware will likely allow them to snoop and collect data not accessible through generic hardware. Last time I was in a Starbucks I had to click through an advertisement, so clearly Starbucks and ATT are not seeing a lot of inhernet value in the current arrangement.
This value may translate into allowances for higher speeds. They could also offer a free slow speed, upgrade speed if you log into you Google accounts, offer day passes, or simply limit the downloaded content. It does seem unimaginable that Starbucks would find value creating a high speed location to look at pr0n.
I don't find anything wrong with the current ATT situation. It has changed over time, gotten better and worse, but right now it is good. It is probably a expense that Starbucks wants to get rid of. I find fewer coffee houses that gives free and open internet. I find department stores has better broadband, you know surf on the ipad while the others shop.

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Soon they'll make hamburgers too by joesteeve · 2013-07-31 15:28 · Score: 1

From "search" to "mobile" to "telecom" .. Way to go?

Re:Soon they'll make hamburgers too by lxs · 2013-07-31 17:57 · Score: 5, Funny

Would you like spies with that?

leeches by p51d007 · 2013-07-31 15:34 · Score: 2

Well, at least all the starbuck leeches will have another reason to sit in starbucks all day long. Free wi-fi. Never been in one, but friends say that they sometimes see the same people with their laptops & phones just sitting there all day long leeching off their wifi. Typical...to cheap to pay for it themselves, so they just leech off someone else.

Re:leeches by Anonymous Coward · 2013-07-31 19:33 · Score: 3, Insightful

I am a Starbucks customer. Yes, I leech too.

I have to face it. I am single. I cannot economically justify the expense of a personal high-speed internet connection, and the way web pages are coded these days, using a low speed connection is next to useless for anything but google searches.

I do buy their coffee while I am in there, and consider the markup on the cup of coffee about right for providing me access to the net. Yes, there are some leeches, but most I see are people who really need this... college students just looking for a place to socialize and study, and I note some homeless people using it. I just feel fortunate I have the means to buy the coffee. I feel Starbucks is doing a better job of supporting my area than most when it comes to what they do with the dollar that goes across their counter.

The library and local college have wifi access too. So does McDonalds, but McDonalds is not quite the kind of place to sit back and contemplate things like Starbucks is.
Re:leeches by John.Banister · 2013-07-31 23:33 · Score: 1

I live too far out for high speed, & until I got a personal hotspot, I would use McDonalds & Starbucks a lot. What I noticed was that I got more personal space at McDonalds. Most of their money seems to be made at the drive-through, and so long as I'm occupying a table, that's one they don't have to wipe when they pass through the place on their rounds. They seem relieved that I don't want to talk to them. Something about Starbucks always makes me feel like I'm being rude by ignoring everyone and focusing on my browsing.
Re:leeches by JackieBrown · 2013-08-01 00:30 · Score: 1

It's hard for me to call people spending 5 dollars on a cup of coffee, leaches.
Re:leeches by __aajfby9338 · 2013-08-01 02:05 · Score: 1

I'm one of those leeches. I leech WiFi at Starbucks because my best network connectivity option at home is tethering through my cell phone. I'm too far from the telco switch to get even basic DSL, and cable TV is not available in my rural area. That's just the price I pay for wanting to live on a large property instead of in a suburban tract home.

mer me me oh please god me by WOOFYGOOFY · 2013-07-31 15:36 · Score: 2

please please come to my starbucks. Oh god please let them come to my starbucks.

Re:mer me me oh please god me by MSG · 2013-07-31 18:36 · Score: 3, Informative

You don't even have to read the article. The summary says that Google will replace AT&T at all US locations.
Re:mer me me oh please god me by Valdrax · 2013-08-01 06:20 · Score: 1

mer me me oh please god me [] please please come to my starbucks. Oh god please let them come to my starbucks.
Duuuuuude... Decaf. Now.

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McDonald's too? by macraig · 2013-07-31 16:00 · Score: 4, Interesting

I wonder if this also includes McDonald's, which has the same WiFi contract with AT&T?

Re:McDonald's too? by adolf · 2013-07-31 20:44 · Score: 2

"Same contract" as in "one stack of paper with both Starbucks and McDonald's listed at the top of it"?
Possible, but extremely doubtful.
Much, much more likely: A minimum of one contract per entity. Srsly. Get out of your bubble once in a while.

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Re:McDonald's too? by Evro · 2013-08-01 05:21 · Score: 1

Are McDonalds and Starbucks affiliated somehow? Why would something at Starbucks affect McDonalds?

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Re:I'm rather shocked... by __aaltlg1547 · 2013-07-31 16:14 · Score: 2

A company, some of whose practices we don't like, has other practices and services many people do like.

Current Starbucks wifi is a dog by redmid17 · 2013-07-31 16:28 · Score: 1

Even when I go to a 24 hr location that isn't packed, I get ridiculous ping times (why yes I have checked. This is ./). That wouldn't bother me but sometimes I like to work outside of the house and drop some cash at the nearest Starbucks, and I need a usable internet connection to do my work.
Also fuck AT&T.

No Just deliberately misleading by tuppe666 · 2013-07-31 16:48 · Score: 4, Informative

So, you can search on Duck-Duck-Go, but it takes twice as long as Google

Only because Duck Duck Go is slower. The Net Neutrality part (as described in the article) means you can't run your business servers inside Starbucks. Nothing to do with prioritising one web-site over another.

Oh well I guess that's it then by Taantric · 2013-07-31 17:53 · Score: 1

And this brings to a end my ever using the free internet at Starbucks. It was fun while it lasted but Privacy & Not being tracked the packet level > a few bucks saved. Go Fuck Yourself Mr Do No Evil. Citizen 165258 does not agree with your corporate plan. Google can pry my privacy from my cold dead hands.

I would like to thank The Academy, my family and fans. Thank you and Good Night.

Re:Oh well I guess that's it then by Anonymous Coward · 2013-07-31 17:59 · Score: 2, Funny

Awww, wook at this cutsie-wootsie who thought AT&T wouldn't think to twack him "at the packet level" at Stawbucks! Who's my pwecious naive sillyhead? You are, yes you are!
Re:Oh well I guess that's it then by Chrontius · 2013-07-31 18:51 · Score: 2

Actually, aren't you "Citizen 2587965"?
Re:Oh well I guess that's it then by macbass · 2013-07-31 23:41 · Score: 1

At least AT&T was honest about it, whereas "Do No Evil" Google is only slightly more transparent than the NSA. I agree with Taantric that Starbucks is off my list of places to go for WiFi.
Re:Oh well I guess that's it then by walterbyrd · 2013-08-01 03:36 · Score: 1

Consider the article in question. Specifically what is google doing that is sooooo very "evil?"
BTW: MS is far worse privacy violator than Google.

Google not providing the network most places... by Rhyas · 2013-07-31 18:48 · Score: 4, Informative

It will be Level 3 equipment/network instead of AT&T for this deal.

Re:So it'll be even less likely by bickerdyke · 2013-07-31 19:14 · Score: 2

Well... nowadays, everyone's a critic.

But never forget:

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And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;

Sounds like already Shakespeare saw the comming of Google Glass....

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100 times? by RivenAleem · 2013-07-31 19:53 · Score: 1

I'd like to have a word with their upgrade team. Seems very inefficient to make that many call-outs just to upgrade one location.

Now if they could only improve the coffee! by dreamchaser · 2013-07-31 23:19 · Score: 2

Seriously. Starbucks is about the best example of the 'Emperor's Clothes' syndrome in the fast food market. Their burnt, overroasted coffee is atrocious!

Does this mean Linux will connect at Starbucks? by John.Banister · 2013-07-31 23:42 · Score: 1

Or, will I still have to find "Wayport Access" at McDonalds? If I remember correctly, the Google sponsored WiFi at SeaTac airport is Linux friendly.

Free Apps/Music change also? by Jedi+Holocron · 2013-08-01 00:05 · Score: 1

So, with this change, will Starbucks now be offering free apps/music through Google Play for Android devices or only continue to offer through iTunes/iOS?

I was on vacation in Thailand by voss · 2013-08-01 00:24 · Score: 1

My guesthouse in bangkok had 16 mbps connection, free for guests. My internet connections in my hotels in Thailand and Cambodia were faster and cheaper than in the US (none of my hotels charged for internet [even the 4* had free internet]). The idea that hotels should be able nickel and dime us for internet is nuts.

Re:I was on vacation in Thailand by Zontar+The+Mindless · 2013-08-01 03:41 · Score: 1

Wifi in my Beijing hotel is fast, free, and slightly filtered. Company VPN takes care of #3.

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Make large larger. by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · 2013-08-01 00:49 · Score: 1

Can they replace Starbuck's at Starbuck's while they're at it?

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There must be something in the water... by VortexCortex · 2013-08-01 01:27 · Score: 1

to improve the lives of freelance writers around the country. Starting in August, Google plans to make Internet speeds at all 7,000

If your writing requires more baud than a dial-up BBS to upload, you're doing it wrong... That or your caffeine has been replaced by amphetamines.

Re:There must be something in the water... by __aajfby9338 · 2013-08-01 02:09 · Score: 1

That or your caffeine has been replaced by amphetamines.
Well, we are talking about Starbucks coffee after all...

Google must be drooling... by cjjjer · 2013-08-01 02:18 · Score: 1

A data bonanza, all that traffic going through their pipe, using their DNS it will be glorious....

All coffee is bitter by sjbe · 2013-08-01 03:09 · Score: 1

I can drink starbucks black, it isn't bitter at all, because they extract it correctly.

I periodically see people claim that this or that coffee "isn't bitter" and they are invariably wrong. ALL coffee is bitter and starbucks is no exception. It is merely a question of degree. I have a very low tolerance for bitter tastes (prob genetic) and I have NEVER tasted any coffee that wasn't bitter. Only way you could claim it isn't bitter is if you aren't sensitive to bitter flavors. I love the smell of coffee but the bitterness makes coffee unpalatable to me without a lot of sugar.

For most people, Starbucks is the best coffee around.

I don't regard starbucks coffee as any better than McDonalds or Dunkin Donuts and those aren't exactly hard to find.

Re:All coffee is bitter by Monoman · 2013-08-01 04:50 · Score: 1

IMHO Starbucks coffee tastes burnt and most of my friends agree. I call it Charbucks.

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Yep, I knew it by walterbyrd · 2013-08-01 03:25 · Score: 1

Anything on slashdot about Google, draws ms shills like flies to shit.

Okay, all together now: " GOOGLE IS EVIL!!!! EVIL!!! EVIL!!"

Re:Wait... by nurb432 · 2013-08-01 03:57 · Score: 1

AT&T :)

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