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PS4 Launch Date: November 15th

Today Sony announced the official release dates of the PlayStation 4 console: November 15 in North America and November 29 in Europe. From the article: "The system will be available for $399/€399/£349 in 32 countries by the end of the year, the company said. The date comes just days before the Black Friday post-Thanksgiving sales, but given the strong pre-order interest for the system already, the PS4 might be hard to find on store shelves in the days after it drops. Sony revealed that one million PS4 systems have already been pre-ordered worldwide. The company notably did not mention a release date or price point for the system's launch in its native Japan."

151 comments

  1. Only need to know... by djupedal · · Score: 1, Funny

    What is a PS3 w/500gb HD worth on trade-in...

    1. Re:Only need to know... by Dins · · Score: 2

      'bout tree fiddy...

    2. Re:Only need to know... by alen · · Score: 2

      not much
      i checked best buy trade in and sold my PS3 and xbox 360 with a bunch of games to people at work. total haul was $120. ME3 is $2 trade in at best buy and like $10 if i sold it on ebay before all the fees. and that was my newest game

      i'm done with console gaming. never used my PS3 to game, but as a blu ray player. got a Panasonic 3d blu ray player with the cash

    3. Re:Only need to know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Less each day that passes towards the 15th. And shortly afterwards, the market will be flooded with them...

    4. Re:Only need to know... by Rinnon · · Score: 2

      What is a PS3 w/500gb HD worth on trade-in...

      Don't forget that the PS4 does not support backwards compatibility, so if you have any desire to play your PS3 games you might want to hold on to it.

    5. Re:Only need to know... by firex726 · · Score: 1

      Similar, I got mine for the BD player, not so much to game. But still cannot see myself trading in my games. Fives years I may want to replay them.

    6. Re:Only need to know... by alen · · Score: 2, Informative

      2013 is really the break out year of IOS gaming
      lots of strategy war games
      xcom, the one that came out on the xbox this year is out for iOS
      GTA is out for IOS
      a space ship sim
      MMO space fighting sims like the old wing commander

      the ipad 4 had the power of an xbox 360 and apple is releasing a new version every year. unless you only play battlefield and call of duty, mobile gaming is where gaming is going.

    7. Re:Only need to know... by vux984 · · Score: 1

      xcom, the one that came out on the xbox this year is out for iOS

      Pointless. The game is great, the mods make it even better.

      But the ios version, and xbox version, I imagine miss out on all that, cost more, and have fewer interface options, and a much smaller screen.

      Honestly, I think the PC is making a comeback. Mobile gaming is huge, but its huge for mobile... when your at home and can choose, the PC gives you a hell of a lot more.

    8. Re:Only need to know... by realmolo · · Score: 1

      $150, at best, if you don't sell it RIGHT NOW. If you sell it right now, you might get $250.

      Nobody wants old consoles.

    9. Re:Only need to know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Its hard to convince people to drop the intricate plots and high detail level of PC games for lame crap like angry birds or a tower defense

    10. Re:Only need to know... by MikeBabcock · · Score: 2

      The PS4 lacks backward compatibility so keep it.

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    11. Re:Only need to know... by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Also if Nvidia perfected shield better with offering streaming at HIGHER quality to ANY android device with ANY input method then you could get MORE AWESOME portable gaming and still have need for a PC ;)

    12. Re:Only need to know... by aliquis · · Score: 1

      (or cloud service, which I guess may be more likely in the end.)

    13. Re:Only need to know... by sexconker · · Score: 2

      What is a PS3 w/500gb HD worth on trade-in...

      Don't forget that the PS4 does not support backwards compatibility, so if you have any desire to play your PS3 games you might want to hold on to it.

      PS4 will use Gaikai to provide cloud streaming bullshit for backwards compatibility.
      At some point. For some titles. For a fee. For a limited time. In select regions.

    14. Re:Only need to know... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      mobile gaming is where gaming is going.

      This year for sure, right?

      I'm just dying to replace my Eyefinity setup, eight cores, dual-Radeon HD7950, Cherry MX mechanical keyboard, gigabit ether, gaming mouse and 7.1 surround sound with an...iPad.

      I'll get right on that. What I'm really looking for is a platform where I can only play games that Apple Corp has approved.

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    15. Re:Only need to know... by tehlinux · · Score: 1

      PS4 will use Gaikai to provide cloud streaming bullshit for backwards compatibility.
      At some point. For some titles. For a fee. For a limited time. In select regions.

      Sounds convenient!

      #thumbsup

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    16. Re:Only need to know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why on earth would anyone pay $250 for a used PS3? You can get a brand new one bundled with a game for $270 from amazon.

    17. Re:Only need to know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the ipad 4 had the power of an xbox 360

      No it didn't. Not even close.

    18. Re:Only need to know... by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      If you get $250 someone was a moron, since that's the MSRP.

    19. Re:Only need to know... by mjwx · · Score: 1

      mobile gaming is where gaming is going.

      This year for sure, right?

      I'm just dying to replace my Eyefinity setup, eight cores, dual-Radeon HD7950, Cherry MX mechanical keyboard, gigabit ether, gaming mouse and 7.1 surround sound with an...iPad.

      I'll get right on that. What I'm really looking for is a platform where I can only play games that Apple Corp has approved.

      PC gaming is different to console gaming.

      Consoles by and large never drew crowds away from PC gaming. Neither has mobile gaming.

      Now if we change the GGP's statement ever so slightly

      mobile gaming is where console gaming is going

      It's entirely accurate.

      PC's have nothing to fear as PC gaming is radically different to console gaming and mobile gaming. It provides a better control scheme, has genre's that cant be produced on console and mobile as well as being highly extensible (joysticks, HOTAS, Eyefinity setups) that cant be replicated on console and mobile.

      However, everything you can do on a console can be replicated on mobile. Controllers can be connected to tablets (via Bluetooth), tablets can be connected to TV's (via HDMI), this already exists and has for years (my 2 year old Acer Iconia) the only thing missing is an interface, back end service and publisher. Considering that the mainstay of console gaming is the casual crowd, they'll happily jump ship to a mobile console (picture a tablet with controllers, HDMI out and a SD card slot), this tablet console I'll dub the "Conslet" or "Tabsole" well in advance. Sony and Microsoft spent so much time and money trying to may the Xbox and Playstation brands into poor mans gaming PC's yet completely ignored the audience that wanted consoles, the casual gamers that the Nintendo Wii ate their lunch in a spectacular fashion.

      The age of the PC wannabe console is over, The fact that Nintendo is still printing money with an "abysmal failure" like the Wii U is proof of that. Soon we will see a mobile console (again, tablet with controllers and HDMI out) come out and eat their lunch like Nindendo did with the Wii. Not because it's got more rams, megahertz's or horsepowers, but because it's fun and that's what people want in a console. Meanwhile, the PC will march on unaffected (because it's a completely different market) just like it marched on during the PC killing PS3, erm I mean Xbox 360... Erm I mean 3DO, erm I mean TurboGrafix... I could go on, but I wont.

      Oh, and this tablet console wont have an Apple logo.

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    20. Re:Only need to know... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      So we can adjust the GGP's statement even further by saying, "Game consoles are getting smaller. Soon you can hold them in the palm of your hand".

      However, everything you can do on a console can be replicated on mobile. Controllers can be connected to tablets (via Bluetooth), tablets can be connected to TV's (via HDMI), this already exists and has for years (my 2 year old Acer Iconia) the only thing missing is an interface, back end service and publisher. Considering that the mainstay of console gaming is the casual crowd, they'll happily jump ship to a mobile console (picture a tablet with controllers, HDMI out and a SD card slot), this tablet console I'll dub the "Conslet" or "Tabsole" well in advance.

      Is a tablet attached to controllers and a 47" TV via HDMI really "mobile"?

      So, maybe we can adjust the GGP's statement again and more accurately say,

      there will be gamers who will attach tablets to televisions but still won't be able to play the next Batman: Arkham game

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    21. Re:Only need to know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mobile is where gaming is headed for non-gamers.

  2. cold night in november by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hate when they launch their device that late in the year. Sometime it snows at those date.

    At least if the console has problem with overheating we can put it outside and play inside with long HDMI cable

    1. Re:cold night in november by alen · · Score: 3, Informative

      keep the air ducts clean and don't put anything on top of them and you should be OK

    2. Re:cold night in november by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ugg agree. Ugg wish had fire, like new tall Neanderthals. Ugg have furs. Will have to do.

    3. Re:cold night in november by DrXym · · Score: 2

      Well don't buy it day-0. It's not like there will be a huge range of titles for it anyway. Same for the XBox One. If they sell well I'm sure Sony / Microsoft will make more of them.

    4. Re:cold night in november by Luckyo · · Score: 2

      Because electric safety rules are for pussies, real men use indoor electric appliances outdoors!

  3. 1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Why?!?!?!
    It's actually 1 EUR == 1.3425 USD! 1 GBP == 0.638 USD! WTF!!!!!

    1. Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! by kamapuaa · · Score: 4, Informative

      EU price includes VAT, US price doesn't include sales tax, which evens it somewhat.

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    2. Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ooops I meant 0.638 USD == 1 GBP!

    3. Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! by _xeno_ · · Score: 1

      There are quite a few US states that have no sales tax at all, so that explanation doesn't quite work. If I wanted the PS4, I can swing past a store in New Hampshire and pick it up for exactly its $399 price tag, no additional taxes.

      Granted some of the more, uh, government-happy states will inflate that price somewhat.

      But even then, according to Wikipedia, the highest US sales tax is 15.5%, and Europe is looking at a 35% increase in price, so that explanation doesn't quite work. (Guess which state has a 15.5% sales tax? Hint: it's a blue one!)

      The real answer is that people will pay the higher price in Europe, so that's what it'll sell for. If people refused to buy it at the inflated price, Sony would be forced to be more reasonable.

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    4. Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That extra PS4 money is paying for your socialized healthcare. Here is paying for programs to spy on everyone. Which is cheaper?

    5. Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      For comparison,
      399 USD = 297 EUR = 255 GBP
      399 EUR = 535 USD = 342 GBP
      350 GBP = 409 EUR = 549 USD

      I suspect it wouldn't sell that well at ~550 USD at the states...

    6. Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! by cruff · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There are quite a few US states that have no sales tax at all, so that explanation doesn't quite work. If I wanted the PS4, I can swing past a store in New Hampshire and pick it up for exactly its $399 price tag, no additional taxes.

      Then, of course, being the fine upstanding citizen you are, you dutifully pay the sales tax due in your home state on goods purchased outside the state, so that difference probably evaporates. Oh, wait, no one does that. Never mind...

    7. Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That extra PS4 money is paying for your socialized healthcare. Here is paying for programs to spy on everyone. Which is cheaper?

      Careful, you're talking to someone who's dismissing taxes outright as something only "more, uh, government-happy states" use and who lacks the impulse control to avoid inserting cheap, inaccurate swipes at taxation into an article about a video game console's release date. To this guy, chances are putting the word "socialized" in front of anything — heaven forbid it's healthcare — makes it a worse choice than literally anything else, so long as it comes from America.

    8. Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! by zrelativity · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There are other more reasonable reasons why hardware may cost more in the EU than USA. For example, in USA, hardware typically only comes with a 6 months warranty. In Europe, your consumer protection is much much better; for example, it is not limited to month or even 1 year, but can be over a reasonable lifetime of the product, which maybe 3-4 years. Many consumer do not understand this and take out additional insurance covers which are usually unnecessary.

    9. Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh my GOD. I am your fan man. Anonymous Cowards don have mod points or I would spend all mine right now.

    10. Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! by zrelativity · · Score: 1

      try again ;-)

    11. Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, that is a large problem. Everyone hates on us. Do you want to go off and form a completely anonymous social network? You post pictures of other people's cats, talk about what you didn't eat for lunch. You will get randomly assigned a social group when you join, and they will switch without warning.

    12. Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! by MaWeiTao · · Score: 2, Interesting

      People always complain about stuff being more expensive in Europe and totally overlook import tariffs, VAT, sales taxes and whatever other taxes the various nations of Europe like to assess. The United States demands virtually nothing to import products, which is why a Playstation 4 in the US will cost roughly what it costs in Japan. Sure, we do have sales tax in most States but that, even at it's worst barely exceeds 12%. There's a reason why the United States is a far bigger gaming market than the EU despite similar populations.

      For all the taxation and expensive goods Europeans manage to save more than Americans. They're incredibly frugal. They're not embracing a subscription services with restrictive contracts like idiots,they're not obsessed with huge houses or bloated SUVs, they don't incur massive debt to make up for an income they think they deserve.

      Socialized healthcare, well-maintained roads and extensive public transit all cost money. I used to think the American way was better. Americans generally have a lot more disposable income but also more personal financial responsibility. Not that I have any delusions that the American government is capable of building social programs. Europe isn't perfect, but they're a hell of a lot better at it than Americans. Unfortunately, consider how wasteful Americans have become.

      So yeah, a $550 Playstation 4 would probably be a good thing for many Americans.

    13. Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There are quite a few US states that have no sales tax at all, so that explanation doesn't quite work. If I wanted the PS4, I can swing past a store in New Hampshire and pick it up for exactly its $399 price tag, no additional taxes.

      Granted some of the more, uh, government-happy states will inflate that price somewhat.

      But even then, according to Wikipedia, the highest US sales tax is 15.5%, and Europe is looking at a 35% increase in price, so that explanation doesn't quite work. (Guess which state has a 15.5% sales tax? Hint: it's a blue one!)

      The real answer is that people will pay the higher price in Europe, so that's what it'll sell for. If people refused to buy it at the inflated price, Sony would be forced to be more reasonable.

      Or, possibly, the REAL real answer is that you haven't a clue what you are talking about. 399 USD (pretax) = 297 EUR. European prices MUST include VAT, so you have to add that on. VAT rates in europe are typically 20-25% ( http://www.ricksteves.com/plan/tips/vat-rates-europe.htm ). That's a price range of 356-371. On top of that, much (all?) of europe has much tougher consumer protection laws, so it's more expensive to operate there when their shitty products begin breaking. So just pick an average price (makes marketing much easier), add on a few euros more to compensate for the laws (and a few more to round up to the next 9), and you've got your 399 EUR.

    14. Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your last line is of course correct.

      But surely if it was priced higher in the US, say on a par with Europe people would still buy it at that price.

      Still, it's a buyers market, if you want it, you will buy it.

    15. Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      High costs encourage frugality (well discourage consumption at least), that is part of why a VAT is better for the economy that an income tax.

      It discourages spending, this means that non necessary spending happend less, this diverts more money towards investment.

    16. Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But even then, according to Wikipedia, the highest US sales tax is 15.5%,...(Guess which state has a 15.5% sales tax? Hint: it's a blue one!)

      None of them? I guess a non-existent state is both a blue state and a red state, as the null set has so many wonderful properties. The highest state sales tax, according to Wikipedia even, is 7.5% (also funny enough, three of the six states with 7+% sales tax are red states...).

      You might have gotten the 15.5% from the max column, which is the highest rate possible, including both local taxes and charges for special categories. In the case of Illinois, you can get 15.5% if you purchase a soda at a downtown Chicago location. The highest sales tax you could pay for a piece of consumer electronics in Illinois would be 9.25% if you pay both the state and Chicago tax. The 15.5% instead includes the 9.25% Chicago & Illinois sales tax, plus 2.25% for food & groceries, 3% for a Chicago tax on soft drinks, and a 1% extra tax for getting prepared food downtown. So unless that PS4 is carbonated, and served at a restaurant in downtown Chicago, you don't have to worry about that tax rate. (Assuming Wikipedia is correct about those taxes adding up, it has been a couple years since I've eaten at a restaurant in Chicago...)

    17. Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      Sony electronic products in the US: 3 months.

    18. Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! by DrXym · · Score: 1

      Aside from that, the conversion is not from USD to EUR but from JPY and I expect an amount of currency hedging informs those figures. I also expect they'll round up at a drop of a hat if they think they can get away with it.

    19. Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! by Dishevel · · Score: 1

      Some things need to be "Socialized" National Defense, Highways, Roads, Communications, Power, Water, Sewer. Nothing is cheaper and better when socialized. The question is what "Needs" to be socialized. Because I am sure we can all agree that anything that does not absolutely need it will be worse off due to it.

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    20. Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't join that, but I'd sarcastically say I would whenever it was brought up around me.

    21. Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! by ZombieBraintrust · · Score: 2

      You don't get it. In the US sales tax isn't included in the advertised price. VAT is included in the advertised price.
      Europe Base Price = Advertised Price - VAT
      American Base Price = Advertised Price
      The fact that some states have no sales tax is irrelavant because $399 doesn't include sales tax.

    22. Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! by zidium · · Score: 1

      Ahhh! Battle.Net!

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    23. Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are quite a few US states that have no sales tax at all, so that explanation doesn't quite work. If I wanted the PS4, I can swing past a store in New Hampshire and pick it up for exactly its $399 price tag, no additional taxes.

      Granted some of the more, uh, government-happy states will inflate that price somewhat.

      But even then, according to Wikipedia, the highest US sales tax is 15.5%, and Europe is looking at a 35% increase in price, so that explanation doesn't quite work. (Guess which state has a 15.5% sales tax? Hint: it's a blue one!)

      The real answer is that people will pay the higher price in Europe, so that's what it'll sell for. If people refused to buy it at the inflated price, Sony would be forced to be more reasonable.

      Part of it is that people are willing to pay a higher price; another part is that the European price automatically include an extended warranty against manufacturing defects (including without limitation the cost to find out if it is a manufacturing defect), and the US price doesn't.

    24. Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How does one reconcile different sales tax rates within a state?

    25. Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I might even feel bad not doing that if the government wasn't so proficient at wasting the money I already HAVE to give them.

    26. Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (Guess which state has a 15.5% sales tax? Hint: it's a blue one!)

      I give up. Please share with us which blue state has a 15.5% sales tax rate.

    27. Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then, of course, being the fine upstanding citizen you are, you dutifully pay the sales tax due in your home state on goods purchased outside the state, so that difference probably evaporates. Oh, wait, no one does that. Never mind...

      I don't track receipts. When I fill out my state income tax form online, there is a checkbox to 'estimate use tax', so I just do that. (I'm probably actually overpaying since most of what I buy online ends up collecting sales tax since they have business presence in my state anyways.)

    28. Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! by cruff · · Score: 1

      Not sure what you are asking about here. Within a state, the state doesn't care if you go somewhere else with a lower municipal sales tax to make a purchase, because the state itself always gets its cut. The one exception I know of is motor vehicles, where you get hit with the tax appropriate to where you live, not where you purchased it, which is enforced because you must interact with the government apparatus to license it. Of course, tax laws being what they are, pretty much everyone is probably guilty of failing to pay some type of tax at some time or another. Businesses make decisions to locate in some states but not others due to inventory or use taxes...

    29. Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Gemany we have 2 years warranty for new (or 1 year for used) goods if you buying private from a bussines. And even 10 years warranty for specific deficiencies.

    30. Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! by GNious · · Score: 1

      The local danish* price, incl taxes, equates to 645.90 USD.

      *: Part of the EU

      Please tell me where US sales-tax bump it anywhere near _that_ price.

    31. Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! by aliquis · · Score: 1

      There are quite a few US states that have no sales tax at all, so that explanation doesn't quite work.

      Of course it still work because in the EU there is "sales tax."

      Most toys cost more here.

    32. Re: 1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! by Xeranar · · Score: 1

      Did you honestly say nothing is better or cheaper when socialized? We've proven for decades utilities, healthcare, and a vast amount of social welfare can be done better when there is no profit motive.

    33. Re: 1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! by Xeranar · · Score: 1

      Actually there is very little evidence that businesses choose location based on taxes. Certain businesses like Amazon habe a certain hinge to their business around it but most businesses could care less. See New York City for a perfect example.

    34. Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      The cost to do business in Denmark is high, or do you think all those wonderful government benefits are really free?

    35. Re: 1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Actually there is very little evidence that businesses choose location based on taxes.

      Wow, from the "I am closing my eyes to anything I don't like" department. Use Google, your eyes will be opened.

      If you want to focus on New York, this is interesting.

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    36. Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      If it did, I'd swallow it and not care. Problem is, tax differential accounts for about 20-30% of the price differential. Small part of the rest is apparently used to "localize games (they don't localize for the part of Europe I live in), maintain offices (no offices here either) and other related spending".

      Essentially they pocket the difference because European consumers can afford to pay more. Basically they have acclimated public to higher costs and now happily pocket the extra money due to lack of competition, or more specifically collusion.

    37. Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah New Hampshire... one of the few places left where people still pay with cash only. No paper trails... no taxes.

    38. Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, not true. In my state, they expect you to report all items bought "out of state" so they can cheerfully F you over and make you pay taxes on it, even though it wasn't sold in that state. This includes all internet purchases, and I believe physical purchases as well. This is different than DMV applying local taxes to your car purchase based on where you register it.

      BOE sends out letters every year at tax time, trying to scare you into reporting all your internet purchases for this reason. (at least in Calif.)

      So if you order your nice new widget on an online retailer that is not located in your state, and pay the retail price and think you got it 'tax free', the state gov feels entitled to the taxes that you thought you saved.

    39. Re: 1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      when there is no profit motive.

      I agree. However, there are plenty of private organizations with no profit motive... and in the real world, there are plenty of political groups with very strong profit motives.

    40. Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not about consumer cost.

      It's about what they actually sell it for.

      If I sell a product for 100 dollars, it will be marketed as 100 dollars in the US.

      In sweden it will be marketed as 125 dollars.

      This is purely based on the rules and regulations, in both instances, they've sold a product for 100 dollars and then the state took something on top of that.

      But, yeah, in general, electronics are more expensive in Europe, part of it is due to smaller markets (since every country needs it's own marketing penetration issues, not just ads, but different rules and regulations and so forth while the states have a pretty homogenized market), another part is simply due to US being a privileged area in many ways.
      Most electronics going to Europe go THROUGH the US from Asia.

    41. Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! by GNious · · Score: 1

      Being from the western part of DK, where the hospitals are being removed, schools closed, public transport severely reduced, please explain "those wonderful government benefits"...

    42. Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! by _xeno_ · · Score: 1

      You don't get it. In the US sales tax isn't included in the advertised price. VAT is included in the advertised price.

      Actually, that's entirely my point: even taking that into account, Europe still pays more. Adding in US sales tax (which, at its worse, caps out at 15%) and subtracting VAT still leaves the European version more expensive.

      A much more reasonable guess at US sales tax is around 8%, meaning the "real" US prices is around $431. Given the exchange rate the OP used, the US price is then 321 Euros - notably less than the EU price of 399 Euros. Go the other way and take out VAT and I get a price of $446. Which is, again, notably more expensive.

      Saying "it's before-tax in the US and after-tax in the EU" doesn't explain the price difference.

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    43. Re:1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're real upset about paying an "inflated price" you could always devalue the Euro. With all the full scale bailouts, austerity measures, and shaky economic policy it's over-valued anyway.

    44. Re: 1 EUR == 1 USD?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are things that have to be socialized. But, Yes. Honestly. Everything is more expensive and worse when socialized.

      Just because it does not cost the end user more does not mean the cost is not actually higher. Everything without fail. Period. No exceptions. If you can not grasp why it is that one organization with no profit motive and no competition will not provide better costs, better service and more innovation than private enterprises in competition will then you lack completely the ability to understand.

  4. plus warranty costs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Exchange rate is about 1,34. No European country that I know has 34% tax. They do usually mandate a two-year warranty though. Both together kinda even the difference out.

    1. Re:plus warranty costs by houghi · · Score: 2

      They do usually mandate a two-year warranty though

      No usually. The law says 2 years. (Batteries 6 months)
      I used to work at a hardware company that sold extended warranties when the time went from one year to two years. The extended warranties were a nice extra income for the company. When the change to two years came, they just calculated how much less money they would make and upped the prices a little bit and made the same amount of profit in the end.

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    2. Re:plus warranty costs by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually 2 years is the EU minimum, but individual states may grant you more.

      For example in the UK the Sale of Goods Act states that products must last a "reasonable length of time". For a laptop computer that is generally five or six years, for a TV say ten years, a car maybe 20 years or at least 200k miles. If it fails before then the vendor (not the manufacturer, the place you bought it from) has to either replace it, fix it or give you a refund. If the product is beyond the two year minimum period the vendor can offer a partial refund based on the amount of use you have had out of it, so a laptop that dies after three years might be due a 60% refund (50% expected lifespan, plus costs the buyer incurred like having to recover data and get it transferred to a new machine).

      The key thing to remember is that the law states that the vendor must do all this in a reasonable amount of time. Often they will fob you off by saying that you should contact the manufacturer, but that is their responsibility. Sometimes they will say things like "it was a cheap laptop, you can't expect it to last that long", but you most certainly can. Sometimes they will take a very long time to resolve the issue, but in most cases anything over 28 days will be considered too long by a court and they should refund/replace immediately.

      When you adjust for tax products are not significantly more expensive in Europe. Don't believe the hype.

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  6. Re:And eBay/Paypal scalpers rejoice... by alen · · Score: 1

    yep, and when the PS3 came out they all went back to the store while the wii sold out to real people

  7. Hmmmm ... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

    The system will be available for $399/â399/£349

    Wow, based on current exchange rates ... the Europeans are getting screwed on that deal. (Assuming, of course, that Slashdot was capable of showing the euro and pound symbols, that is)

    It looks like in real currency, they'll pay more for this. Is that typical?

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    1. Re:Hmmmm ... by aliquis · · Score: 1

      399 USD =
      297.206704 Euros
      2 585.48629 Swedish kronor

      Online prices in Sweden seem to be 3889 SEK atm.

      But we've got 25% VAT so add that and you're up to 3232,50 kr.

      We may also have better warranties and well, we're also getting somewhat screwed. But part of it is VAT.

    2. Re:Hmmmm ... by newcastlejon · · Score: 1

      Wow, based on current exchange rates ... the Europeans are getting screwed on that deal.?

      We're used to it. With that said, buying something made by Sony at EU prices is rather like getting spit-roasted.

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    3. Re:Hmmmm ... by Pulzar · · Score: 3, Informative

      The EU prices include the sales tax (VAT), which is a bit over 20% in most EU countries. That's why they look worse than they are...

      You're still getting screwed, but not just by the seller ;).

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    4. Re:Hmmmm ... by Ardyvee · · Score: 1

      What are you talking about? I see the symbols just fine. Or did they fix them?

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    5. Re:Hmmmm ... by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Well-put. I was trying to post something like that, but you said it better.

    6. Re:Hmmmm ... by tlhIngan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Wow, based on current exchange rates ... the Europeans are getting screwed on that deal. (Assuming, of course, that Slashdot was capable of showing the euro and pound symbols, that is)

      It looks like in real currency, they'll pay more for this. Is that typical?

      Well, the EU prices include tax(es) (don't forget VAT is 20+% in EU, plus import duties of 20+% as well). Then add in the cost of an extended warranty (because all durable goods have 2 years return-to-store mandatory warranty, sometimes 3 years) and it really comes out even in the end. I think Sony charges $50 for a 2 year extended warranty, too. Other places like Best Buy probably charge more.

      So it's $399 US + 20% tax = $480 US + $50 extended warranty = $530 US is what the EU pays, or €395. Not bad. £338, which is close enough at today's rate.

      And FYI - € is €, £ is £

  8. Obvious question: Is it 4k UHD ready? by aliquis · · Score: 2

    In six years your PC will be.

    1. Re:Obvious question: Is it 4k UHD ready? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What? It's already there buddy...
      http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Frame-Rating-High-End-GPUs-Benchmarked-4K-Resolutions

    2. Re:Obvious question: Is it 4k UHD ready? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      With Vsync disabled? Nope - won't be doing that.

    3. Re:Obvious question: Is it 4k UHD ready? by aliquis · · Score: 1

      4k is here but my display or graphics card able to use it (for games) isn't. Heck as you can see in your own link with HDMI you're still stuck with 30 FPS at most and that's with 8 bit / color. (Maybe you could over clock what do I know (yeah there's tools to try higher refresh rates.))

      People already complain on 60 Hz on computer monitors as too slow for games.

    4. Re: Obvious question: Is it 4k UHD ready? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fucking hate vsync. It's always the cause of mouse lag in my experience.

      Every time I play a game and the mouse response feels slow, turn off vsync and continue to enjoy.

    5. Re:Obvious question: Is it 4k UHD ready? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Disable vsync and enable triple buffering. You'll still get a bit of tearing, but not nearly as much as without triple buffering, plus none of the input lag introduced with vsync.

    6. Re:Obvious question: Is it 4k UHD ready? by dkf · · Score: 2

      People already complain on 60 Hz on computer monitors as too slow for games.

      There are people who will complain at 240 Hz refresh rates for their displays as being too slow. Luckily they'll be able to buy Denon cables to fix this.

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    7. Re:Obvious question: Is it 4k UHD ready? by aliquis · · Score: 1

      There are people who will complain at 240 Hz refresh rates for their displays as being too slow. Luckily they'll be able to buy Denon cables to fix this.

      On the other hand it should be criminal to even suggest someone exchange their cables (well, unless they are broken / doesn't work.)

    8. Re:Obvious question: Is it 4k UHD ready? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are people who will complain at 240 Hz refresh rates for their displays as being too slow.

      Care to support that claim with an example of such a complaint?

  9. Re:And eBay/Paypal scalpers rejoice... by Tr3vin · · Score: 1

    I wouldn't be so sure. Ask people how that worked out with the WiiU. I'm sure a few made money but I don't think people will have any issues finding PS4s or XBox Ones this holiday season.

  10. Given Sony's Track Record by apcullen · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Given Sony's habit of disabling features, having the playstation network crash for days on end, and adding copy protection as a mandatory software upgrade, is anyone really interested in their next gen gaming system?

    1. Re:Given Sony's Track Record by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes. There are, literally, a million of us.

    2. Re:Given Sony's Track Record by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think lots of people are hungry for a new console, and Microsoft has practically conceded this round to Sony with their "do things our way or else" approach to the XBone.

    3. Re:Given Sony's Track Record by TWiTfan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not on launch day. But at $100 cheaper and Sony management that's at least capable of opening their mouths without immediately sticking their fucking feet in them, I'm a lot more optimistic about their chances in this next gen than Microsoft's. And I say that as a loyal Xbox1 and 360 fan.

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    4. Re:Given Sony's Track Record by firex726 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I believe the management at Sony proper that was responsible for those issues has been replaced.
      Remember over the past few years they have been laying off quite a few employees.

    5. Re:Given Sony's Track Record by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Microsoft actually listened and back-tracked from all the bad stuff.
      Sony is the opposite. They promise you the world, then deliver a steaming pile of turd - often crippling something after the fact.
      After all the times people have been screwed with Sony products, you'd think people would learn by now. If you give Sony any money, I'll be laughing my ass off WHEN (not if) they screw you.

      Your's truly,
      a PS3 firmware 3.15 owner. (never again)

    6. Re:Given Sony's Track Record by Master+Moose · · Score: 1

      I am bowing out of this generations gaming systems and am sorry I took part in the last.

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    7. Re:Given Sony's Track Record by TheNinjaroach · · Score: 1

      Given the shitfest that was the Nintendo Wii (tiny VirtualConsole releases, horrible Internet experience), the XBOX360 (RROD, XBox Live Gold) and the PS3 (Other OS removed) there's no way in hell I'm interested in any next gen gaming system.

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    8. Re:Given Sony's Track Record by ZombieBraintrust · · Score: 1

      Yes I preorded one after E3. I have purchased a playstation, ps3, and a ps3. I got my moneys worth out of all of them. The consoles worked and lasted a long time. Handed down my playstation and ps2 to my younger brother. Plenty of fun and wierd games. I have regretted several PC's that I purchased. I had a couple break just after warrenty went up. Killed a PC trying to install a new graphics card. Have purchased games that ran like crap for PC. I was sort of hoping Valve would announce a date for the Steam Box.

    9. Re:Given Sony's Track Record by aliquis · · Score: 1

      ASUS GTX 760 DC2OC 2GB vram = 259.99 on newegg.
      Good keyboard and mouse = $140
      = Same price.

      Performance = about equal or better on the PC?

      Sure I know there's more to a PC than that. But some cheaper shit may be sufficient and PCs got other usages to and what not. Prices will fall to.

    10. Re:Given Sony's Track Record by apcullen · · Score: 1

      Fair enough. My wife's HP laptop died literally 1 week after the warranty expired, and our PS3 still works.

      Still, I can't play with linux on it anymore. To play The Campaign I have to use my physical disc, and every time I watch netflix I need to do some kind of system update first. I thought there should be some discussion of that.

    11. Re:Given Sony's Track Record by apcullen · · Score: 1

      I'll admit I wasn't aware of management changes at Sony. I hope this means that soon we'll be able to install linux on our PS3 again and that nonsensical cinevia support is going away.

    12. Re: Given Sony's Track Record by Xeranar · · Score: 1

      Honestly? Yes. If I wanted a cheap linux box there were and are better options. Slashdot is a terrible market indicator on most everything because of the overwhelming libertarian (with a small L) view that obscures the reality that most people don't care.

    13. Re:Given Sony's Track Record by apcullen · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think the problem with the PC argument is that PCs take work. They often have loud fans, need to be updated and administered and they're not really the piece of consumer electronics that a PS3 or X360 is.

      That having been said, they also don't require a subscription fee for online play, which both Sony and Microsoft are now doing.

    14. Re:Given Sony's Track Record by apcullen · · Score: 1

      That's a good point. As anti-consumer as Sony has seemed, at least they haven't tried to make their customers pay them a commission when they go to sell a used game.

    15. Re:Given Sony's Track Record by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and every time I watch netflix I need to do some kind of system update first.

      Are you only watching Netflix once every 2 months or something?

    16. Re: Given Sony's Track Record by apcullen · · Score: 1

      That isn't the point, though. The point is that this is something I used to be able to play around with and I had to choose between keeping that functionality and letting my kids continue to use it to play all their games.

      What's next? What if Sony decides to stop supporting Netflix? Or certain niche game publishers?

      The point of my post was, Do you trust Sony enough to invest another $400 with them?

    17. Re:Given Sony's Track Record by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So when can we expect those responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked to be sacked? I'm hoping the PS4 will be completed in an entirely different style at great expense, and at the last minute.

    18. Re:Given Sony's Track Record by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Not on launch day. But at $100 cheaper and Sony management that's at least capable of opening their mouths without immediately sticking their fucking feet in them, I'm a lot more optimistic about their chances in this next gen than Microsoft's. And I say that as a loyal Xbox1 and 360 fan.

      Though, at what cost? Move is dead now - because Sony wanted to undercut Microsoft with that $100. And you KNOW it was done for that reason because otherwise why build in Move into every controller?

      At least by bundling in Kinect, every developer knows every player has one and can use it for enhancing the gameplay.

      NOTE: I said "enhance" gameplay. I didn't say get a freaking workout playing Halo or something. Because Kinect doesn't require you to get your ass off the couch - even with butt firmly planted you still move around a lot - enough for Kinect to pick up on it and influence game play.

      Of course, with the ability to turn it off, it would mean such inputs aren't guaranteed to be there, but at least a developer knows the user turned it off on purpose.

      Some ideas:
      1) FPS games - well, peeking around cover just got a whole lot more interactive if you can lean to peek around the cover. Or voice commands to AI teammates.
      2) Adventure/Platform games - the Hail Mary leap across a chasm just got a whole lot more interesting. Almost universally everyone moves the controller or pumps it hoping it'll influence the jump. Now it can.
      3) Teabagging maneuver - face it, when people teabag, they move the controller in and out while doing so. no need to hit a button anymore when Kinect can do it for you.
      4) Pinball - how about nudging using the controller? No need for tricky analog stick bumps - just move your arms like you would naturally.

      I'm guessing Move was supposed ot have the same results as well, but given few will have Move (especially at what, $70-80 for the camera?)....

      Of course, I think Sony will win this round again - Microsoft is obviously a bit arrogant after winning last round, given their retractions of late. And the $100 difference. Problem is it's a whole new ball game again. And yes, I do like the Xbox for many reasons, and I do have both on preorder. But I can clearly see unless Microsoft really does something, they stand to lose, big.

      Even a $50 price drop would help narrow the gap tremendously.

    19. Re:Given Sony's Track Record by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Does it really take work? Or well, what do I know. If one run Microsoft own antivirus (they have one right?) and have automatic updates are there any issues to be had?

      Though I guess something like Steam Linux with drivers, Steam and everything else setup and say borrow the rest from somewhere (though I hate useless new distributions) is one way of doing it + provide Steam for others to.

      If your distribution is just Ubuntu + Steam added in the package manager I guess it wouldn't be all that much work ..? Or maybe more work than Windows when it comes to updates...?

    20. Re:Given Sony's Track Record by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      In all the honesty, at least one part of sony (entertainment division) apparently got the message and has been trying to reform pretty hard. PS4 is a great example of it.

      Remember: if you punish someone for past mistakes forever, what incentive is there to improve?

    21. Re: Given Sony's Track Record by man_the_king · · Score: 1

      That isn't the point, though. The point is that this is something I used to be able to play around with and I had to choose between keeping that functionality and letting my kids continue to use it to play all their games. What's next? What if Sony decides to stop supporting Netflix? Or certain niche game publishers? The point of my post was, Do you trust Sony enough to invest another $400 with them?

      My anecdotal experience is different from yours - OtherOS wasn't really important to me and I did not mourn its loss. Furthermore, I know enough of the timeline about Geohot's first hack and its OtherOS requirement to understand why they did it (even though I think they should not have done it).

      Based on their reasoning, I'm quite confident that they are NOT suddenly going to stop supporting Netflix, and CERTAINLY NOT niche/indie game publishers (in fact, they seem to be enthusiastically courting them, unlike Microsoft who initially seemed to be going the "stop supporting niche game publishers" route you were accusing Sony of).

      Therefore, in response to your post, yes, I do trust Sony enough to invest another $400 with them. For now.

    22. Re: Given Sony's Track Record by man_the_king · · Score: 1

      Based on their reasoning, ...

      Gahh! Familial distractions :) Anyway, I meant "Based on that reasoning..."

    23. Re:Given Sony's Track Record by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They would also pay the developers something for used games, which is good. Used game sales are no different than piracy from the perspective of devs.

  11. And when will the games be ready? by _xeno_ · · Score: 0

    OK, so the PS4 will launch on November 15th.

    When will the games that make it worth owning launch?

    As far as I know, the majority of the PS4 launch titles are ports of games from other platforms. The only one I'm even remotely interested in is Watchdogs, but there's no chance I'd try and play that on consoles. (Or buy it without first finding out what horrible DRM scheme Ubisoft is going to inflict on it.)

    I've still yet to hear of a game for the PS4 that makes the console worth buying.

    And even if there were, I'd still want to wait a couple of years to find out what horrible launch problem the PS4 will be saddled with and what features Sony is going to rip out after launch.

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    1. Re:And when will the games be ready? by firex726 · · Score: 1

      Normally consoles are not as bad as PC when it comes to DRM, since the expectation is you won't be able to run it without the physical media. With the PC though that's not been the case for quite a while now, so they tack on game breaking DRM to try and make sure people cannot play the game.

    2. Re:And when will the games be ready? by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Unless another game I haven't heard about yet shows up and convinces me I have to play it, I'll probably get it when Final Fantasy XV comes out, which at the moment isn't more specific than "sometime in 2014".

  12. No thanks by tippe · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Even forgiving all of the dumb-ass scams Sony has pulled over the years that have alienated me as a customer, the one thing that keeps reminding me why I hate them so much is the forced updates that I have to endure almost every single time I turn on my PS3. I only use the thing a couple of times a month (for movies, usually), and it seems like almost every time I turn it on I need to apply some update, and if I refuse the machine refuses to let me do whatever it is I wanted to do. Why??? Because of this, almost every movie I want to watch on the thing becomes 15-30 minutes of dicking around with updates, rebooting, etc, followed by 90 or 120 minutes of movie. WTF. I've never seen any other product that was so antagonistic towards its user. It's a constant reminder that Sony doesn't give a shit about me and would gladly throw me under a bus if it meant they could make another dollar off me. I'm sure other companies think the same way, but at least most of them have the decency of not being so blindingly obvious about it. Up yours Sony, you can keep your PS4.

    1. Re:No thanks by firex726 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Sorry dude, blame the studios for that.

      They setup DRM type checks on BD movies, which requires updates to be able to play. It's why if you take a 4 year old BD player it wont play a recently released BD movie most likely.

    2. Re:No thanks by geeper · · Score: 5, Informative

      You can set it up to automatically run updates at whatever time of day you want. It will turn on, update (including games) and then power itself back off after a period of inactivity. That is how I set mine and I never wait for updates anymore. That doesn't excuse the other behavior but it may help you with regards to updates.

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    3. Re:No thanks by ZombieBraintrust · · Score: 3, Interesting

      PS4 has dedicated hardware to download updates when its sleeping. XBox One also has this. They also added support to play games while they download. Of course their servers could suck.

    4. Re:No thanks by tippe · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the tip. I think I'll try enabling that, in the hope of making it less annoying to use. I still won't buy a PS4, though...

    5. Re: No thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Disconnect it from the internet, baddie

    6. Re:No thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is, you have to pay for PlayStation Plus in order to get that feature to work.

    7. Re:No thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      some day, they may even be able to prevent people from posting summer.blockbuster.h265.1080p.BDRip.mkv.torrent

    8. Re:No thanks by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      I only use the thing a couple of times a month (for movies, usually), and it seems like almost every time I turn it on I need to apply some update,

      That's an exaggeration considering system updates come less often than that, which means you aren't using it enough to get the updates when they come out. However, besides system updates there are updates for individual things like Netflix, those are separate (why force you to update Netflix if you don't have it installed)

    9. Re:No thanks by EzInKy · · Score: 1

      "Normal" people want to turn the device on, watch their movie, then turn the device off until they want to use it again. Sure, you and I might think about the necesity to keep our soft/firmwares up to date...but that really isn't very normal.

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    10. Re:No thanks by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

      ...Lol so the PS4 launch might be like EA's sim-city launch where no-one can use their new console for a few days whilst the servers are overloaded with DRM related faff.

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    11. Re:No thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I've never seen any other product that was so antagonistic towards its user."

      So you never endured the blue screens in Win 95/98?

      You never used any other MS products?

      Have a clean conscience of handing over money for an XBONE with MS' history?

    12. Re:No thanks by ZombieBraintrust · · Score: 1

      I think the Wii-U launch was like that. They had a day one patch that took a long time to download. So it is possible.

    13. Re:No thanks by drsquare · · Score: 1

      How does it turn itself on, if it's off? It surely needs power to keep check of the time so it knows when to turn the system on. Is there a special mechanism that flicks the physical switch at the back?

  13. Re:Friend made $1500 with the ps3 by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

    No one bothered with the WiiU because console makers artificially make sure all stores are out at Christmas to generate grassroots buzz on how they can't keep them on the shelves etc.

    However, both Microsoft and Sony are acting different this time with very low cost and partially commoditized componets that make profit rather than a loss on each sold so who knows maybe this year it wil be different.

    I would not doubt an illegal agreement somewhere which is good for the industry actually as MS only made money for the last 2 years of the whole XBoxes lifetime and I am sure Sony barely has broken even after what the crap they tried to pull with expensive proprietary ram and cpus.

    Personally I hate fucking Sony still and do not want to do business with them! The drm rootkit and what they did with destroying speakers of MP3 listeners by booby trapping mp3s and others makes me root for Microsoft this time around. At least Microsoft is trying to make it more open and friendly to developers and no BAH $10 million up front fees or we wont publish YOUR GAME!! Crap that Sony pulls that makes only the big boys elgible. Ms did this a little too with the 360.

    Hell, I have bills to pay and not enough time and money for a console so what the hell cares anyway. PC for life!

  14. Ugly boxes by jones_supa · · Score: 1

    The upcoming consoles, PS4 and XB1, seem quite exciting otherwise, but I think they totally failed at the enclosure design. Both of them have an ugly 80s VCR look...

    1. Re:Ugly boxes by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 0

      > The upcoming consoles, PS4 and XB1, seem quite boring

      FTFY.

      I already have a GTX Titan + 512 GB SSD + 16 GB RAM. I'm not a hardcore gamer - just someone who likes to explore rendering algorithms. Xbone or PS4 are basically a 2 year old PC. *yawn*.

    2. Re:Ugly boxes by lgw · · Score: 1

      Sure, but OTOH my 2 year old PC plays everything fine at 1920x1200. Perhaps that's deceptive since most games were made for last-gen consoles, but still - stull looks pretty good on it.

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  15. high price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    was wondering when the Playstation 4 would come out. $399 USD is a bit pricy for me. will wait for the price to go down.

  16. Canada? by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

    Google tells me that with the current exchange rate, the PS4 should sell for 414.44 Canadian dollars. You can bet your ass that it won't be as low as that, I'm expecting at least 429 or even 449. And every Canadian pays a sales tax which varies from 5 to 15% depending on the province.

    1. Re:Canada? by Shados · · Score: 1

      The awkward moment when you realize exchange rate is only one factor in the equation for setting prices, EVEN if you were to factor out corporate greed.

  17. Re: more important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A better question is: Will Sony allow people to run Linux on their old, worthless PS3's once the PS4's are available?

    (Hint: The answer to this question will affect the answer to your question.)

  18. $399.99 in Canada by HannethCom · · Score: 1

    You could quickly check Futureshop, or Bestbuy's web sites and find out that it is $399.99, or after tax in BC $447.99. Different provinces will vary in taxes.

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  19. Since when have launch titles been good? by Valdrax · · Score: 1

    When will the games that make it worth owning launch?

    I can't remember a single launch title in the past two generations that made me want to buy the system when it came out. Launch titles are always "me too" games, ports, and sequels that can be churned out quickly with a handful of "in house" quirky games as exceptions, especially nowadays since video game budgets have gotten out of control. I haven't seen an awesome launch title since the 16-bit generation (e.g. Super Mario World).

    Usually the good games come over the year after.

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  20. sorry UK by justelite · · Score: 1

    people in the UK get the console 2 weeks later and have to pay £100 more because that's the exchange rate from £-$

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    1. Re:sorry UK by EzInKy · · Score: 1

      Quit using pounds....easy fix!

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    2. Re:sorry UK by TheSkepticalOptimist · · Score: 1

      Or move out of the UK.

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  21. Game Cheats for PC by JeshuaDrol · · Score: 1
  22. StarCraft II 2.0.11 Patch Notes12 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    StarCraft II Patch 2.0.11 is being distributed to all regions throughout the week. See the official patch notes below:

    STARCRAFT II PATCH 2.0.11

    StarCraft II, Patch 2.0.11

    General

    Fixed an issue that caused in-game Victory screens to display incorrect fonts.

    English strings are now properly displayed in the enGB version of the Split 1v1 and Streamlined custom observer UIs.

    4v4 matches no longer result in losses for both teams.

    Fixed an issue that could sometimes cause players to encounter an “Input Limit Reached” error when loading map lists on the Custom Games page.

    Army Value is now the default graph displayed in the Graphs tab on the Score Screen.

    Gameplay and Races

    gameguyz