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Gut Bacteria In Slim People Extract More Nutrients
Beeftopia writes "Researchers discovered that inserting gut bacteria from obese people into mice without gut bacteria led to the mice becoming obese. Gut bacteria from slim people inserted into the same mice did not lead to mouse obesity. The researchers concluded (abstract) that gut bacteria from the slim people were more efficient at extracting nutrients from food than those of the obese."
This is a FIAF thing..
http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/2007/12/fiaf-whos-fat-is-it-anyway.html
It's not that they're better at extracting nutrients, it's that they influence the body to expend more or less enery. The nutrient extraction is a side effect.
I do wish researchers would read the relevant literature before jumping to conclusions.
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"However, the diet was also important for creating the right conditions for the lean twin's bacteria to flourish. A bacterial obesity therapy seems unlikely to work alongside a a diet of greasy burgers."
Guess what, proper diet still required. /surprise.
So now instead of saying 'I have big bones', one can say 'I just got veeeery hungry gut bacteria!'?
I'm thinking increasing usage of Hand sanitizer is killing our gut bacteria. Is there any correlation to this ?
I decide how much to eat and when, thus maintaining a healthy BMI and I get out and exercise frequently.
BTW it's Friday, time for my customary run to the beer fridge.
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We need more butt fucking with thin women to spread gut bacteria!
So I'm chubby because I have socialist bacteria in me? I'm gonna hafta swallow a little Fox News TV for the buggers.
Table-ized A.I.
If gut bacteria extracts more nutrients, doesn't this mean that the body would absorb more calories and gain weight?
I'm not fat. I'm just more efficient at extracting nutrients than you.
Are the thin people actually healthy or are they just... thin. When they hit old age will they have the energy to climb a flight of stairs, or will their gut bacteria be eating it all?
Obesity is supposed to be adaptive, right? What if the conditions for which it's adaptive (long periods of little food) occur? Who will be the better survivors. Don't think it can't happen here. We're just one Monsanto fuck-up, a war, and dictatorship away...
Curious but not entirely unexpected. We are only beginning to understand the microbiome, but clearly it is important.
I wonder if cold weather might affect our gut bacteria too. I have unintentionally lost a good deal of weight in a short time in a cold, dry environment (at least 30 pounds in three months), but regained it when returning to a hot, humid climate. Of course, the cold weather also burned more calories - but I also ate a good deal more than usual. More notably, I note that people living in hot, humid environments often tend to put on weight more than those in colder climates - but there are likely many other factors.
I'm not fat. I'm just more efficient at extracting nutrients than you.
I conclude fat people do not know how to read and comprehend.
even with 200+ miles on a bike a week I won't go below that.
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So the mice became obese after being injected with gut bacteria from obese people. But the mice that were injected with gut bacteria from non-obese people did not. Or put another way, before the injection the mice were not obese, and after the injection the mice were still not obese. Since those mice experienced no change whatsoever, it makes no sense to conclude that the non-obese bacteria is more efficient at extracting nutrients. If that was the reason for the change, shouldn't there be some difference after the injection of the non-obese bacteria?
Oh, goody, it's another one of those dumb-ass "it's not my fault" articles that tries to excuse fat fucks for being fat fucks.
Here's a clue: it's not your gut bacteria, you're not big boned, you don't have an impossibly rare medical condition: you eat too much and never exercise.
Stop trying to find bullshit medical reasons, take on some personal responsibility, eat right, exercise daily, and you'll find that - gasp - it really was your own fucking fault!
OK, so we've determined that the gut bacteria in a fat fuck is different from that in a healthy person. Great. Have we demonstrated yet that it isn't just the bacteria has adapted to living in a fat fuck? Because my money is on the bacteria adapting to its surroundings rather than the other way around. Give it too many nutrients (overeat) and it'll stop wasting as much energy extracting nutrients. Do the opposite, and it'll have to adapt to survive.
Or, to put it another way: correlation is not causation.
And how do you cultivate good bacteria?
Don't eat junk.
By careful work with mice, their experiment does indeed demonstrate causation. It was a very clever series of experiments, which is probably why it was accepted into the journal Science. Step back a bit and think: how likely is it that reviewers for Science--probably some of the world's top scientists--missed something as basic and as obvious as correlation != causation?
By the way, this subject seems to generate an angry, viceral reaction for you. Why is that? Does your self-worth revolve around feeling superior to fat people?
Shouldn't that be reversed? Seems to me that obese people could be extracting more energy from their food, leading in part to their obesity. Thin people might be getting less caloric content which would contribute to their thinness.
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I'm still not clear on how the gut bacterial transfer helps decide matters.
So according to the article obese people should essentially start eating and drinking yogurt as opposed to say greasy cheese burgers? I couldn't agree more.
It has long been recognized in farming that parasites keep animals thin. Same for people. Gee!
In evolution, one of the biggest threats to humans was starvation. So, what we consider a fat-causing problem these days probably used to be a big evolutionary advantage at some point.
So what your telling me is if I want to loose weight all I need to do is get a skinny Girl(s) and start tossing some salad???
Momma always said eat more salid.
Being Slashdot a sticking to diet is probably statically more likelyr???
If gut bacteria from slim people actually extracted more nutrients from food, bacteria would need less food to extract the calories and nutrients from that food (since they are more efficient) than the gut bacteria from fat people. This makes no sense since it is well documented that slim people can eat more food and not gain weight than fat people can.
This only stands to reason that the gut bacteria from FAT people extract more nutrients from food and are more efficient, extracting more calories from that food, thus leading to needing less food before the fat people become, well, fat....
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Thin women who throw up to stay thin, are wantonly throwing away great bacteria that others could use to stay thin also!
Bag it up and sell it off, it's the right thing to do.
Sodas are bad for you because they contain ~32 grams of sugar per 12 oz can
Dr Pepper Ten has less than one-tenth of that. I drink diet soda because it's cheaper than prescription stimulant or NRI medication.
So if I cut open a skinny person and eat their entrails, I will lose weight?
who prays for Satan? Who in 18 centuries has had the humanity to pray for the 1 sinner that needed it most? ~Mark Twain
Is fatness a sign of inefficiency or efficiency?
If I went back 50 thousand years and saw two guys... a fat guy and a skinny guy... which would I assume was more prosperous? The association of fatness with poverty, ill health, etc is a modern association born of our great resources.
A man that needed 10,000 calories a day simply to survive could live in our society rather easily. However, 50,000 years ago he'd be a dead man.
Today, the standard of health is not what it was in our genetic past. That is not to say that the standard is wrong or that people that are skinny are TODAY healthier. However, implying that the fat people have less efficient digestive systems implies that somehow people are getting fat while extracting less from their food. Well... how did they get fat then?
Its possible I'm reading the wrong things into this and they're implying that the fat people NEED to eat more to get their base nutrition which leaves them with excess empty calories which leads to obesity. However, the experiment said they fed both sets of mice the same food. Which means Mouse 1 got fat on food X and Mouse 2 did not. Well where did those extra calories the skinny mouse got go if not into fat? Me thinks the little stinker pooped them out which doesn't seem like efficiency.
Possibly the solution here is to have a LESS efficient digestive system. Lots of dieting drugs effectively do that. I think there was one that made it hard for people to metabolize fat. It worked apparently... but had the unfortunate side effect of causing people to lose bowl control as an oily mess exploded from their rectums. I tried to put that both accurately and maturely... but... its not easy.
Look, I'm just pointing out the logical incongruity here of saying that a more efficient digestive system leads to a skinny mouse. That makes no sense.
In any case, great research... I await the bacterial transplants that will let us all eat like pigs while still looking smoking in our bathing suits.
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A few years ago I read and saw a story about people who had a certain kind of cancer of the stomach and that a procedure destroyed the cancer, but also killed the bacteria in the gut, and in order to best restart their digestive system, they needed to eat ....a healthy person's poop. (Later they developed coated pill that was tasteless, and had everything properly needed to restart the bacteria in their gut. Now you tell me thin people absorb more nutrients and so less is stored and because its all absorbed, they feel full faster, fat people's guts absorb less, so more is stored, and they must eat more in order to feel 'full'.
Heard it on radio last year, not news. Also, gut bacteria is responsible for serotonine production (depression and food could be related)
Tomorrow is another day...
Honey, its only so you can become as thin as your friend!
No, I am not getting fecal transplant. Thank you.
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Great news! I can blame it on the bacteria!
Because I thought I was fat from eating calorie-laden, fat-riddled, corporate-processed junk food and sitting on my ass all day.
If you want to make fat people slimmer, fat shaming is effective. I doubt any kind bacteria makes people fatter. They're fat because they eat more than they spend.
the last few years, with good reason.
Medical intervention with antibiotics kills-off intestinal flora, and antibiotic levels in foods have risen over the last decade.
The surface area of the digestive tract is around the size of 2/3rds a tennis court. This is an interface that has barely been studied, and most of the immune system in the form of the lymphatic system nodes is down there.
It is a fact that fecal transplants have had a remarkable impact on the health of recipients that faced chronic illness. Once people get over all the potty humor and attempt some serious objectivity, it becomes very clear that intestinal flora is VERY significant.
This study calls into question some long held assumptions about diet, weight, and the additives we put in our foods. This is really just the beginning of a new era in medicine, hopefully big industry and special interests won't fuck it up too badly.
Of course efficiency is going to drop like a stone if you have limitless raw resources to burn through. Most Fat Fucks and American have never been hungry a day in their lives.
People really only need to eat once every day or so to keep their bodies fully functional.
Clearly I just need to approach a whole lot of slim girls and offer to rim their asses. I'm up for that!