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Trans-Pacific Cable Plans Mired In US-China Geopolitical Rivalry
An anonymous reader writes "Attempts to build a new telecommunications cable between the US, New Zealand and Australia have become a nexus for the growing rivalry between the U.S. and China in the Pacific. The U.S. is reportedly creating a technology ring fence to match its military one and contain China's ambitions in the Pacific. The U.S. military could even help pay for any planned new cable to link its bases in American Samoa with its expanding military presence in Australia's Northern Territory. It has been made 'very clear' U.S. authorities would not allow significant Chinese investment in one cable project and it followed that they would not tolerate the use of Chinese gear in its construction. 'It was made very clear. These are cables connecting whole countries. These are very political things,' one insider said."
Submersible hunter-killer drones lie in wait to defend America's freedom cable and orbital defense platforms defend the space above from communist tyranny. Long live freedom's reign.
Fuck off you chinkey bastard's!!!!
Of course they need to lay NSA tapped cables.
would not tolerate the use of Chinese gear in its construction.
Given the USAs recent activities, maybe the use of USA companies and gear should also not be tolerated.
The US wants to be the only body involved who can spy on the traffic and perform man-in-the-middle attacks.
It's stopping terrorism.
Now if the rest of the world have a hint, they just need to use their own words
It has been made 'very clear' (some country) authorities would not allow significant U.S. investment in one cable project and it followed that they would not tolerate the use of U.S. gear in its construction. 'It was made very clear. These are cables connecting whole countries. These are very political things,' one insider said."
Brazil is already doing something of this, and more countries should follow.
The USA wants only their taps and backdoors working on those cables!
Don't complain about syntax, grammar, or spelling. There is no.hell like input on android.
Pot calling the kettle black one stamped Made in the USA the other Made in China.
It has been made 'very clear' U.S. authorities would not allow significant Chinese investment in one cable project and it followed that they would not tolerate the use of Chinese gear in its construction.
Maybe they shouldn't have sat by and watched all US manufacturing migrate overseas then.
The only country that has thus far been able to check the United States' unmitigated love of bombing people has been Russia. 'Murica wanted to bomb Syria. Russia came in and said "We'll take those chemical weapons off your hands, then 'Murica has no reason to bomb you." ... Suddenly, Syria looks rational, Russia looks peaceful, and America looks like the playground bully kicking sand in everyone's faces. Naturally, this didn't go over very well with the war hawks in Congress... but to date, no bombs have dropped.
China needs someone in their corner with nuclear weapons. Either that, or develop their own. America does not play well with others; They only back down and act reasonable when there's a risk of total and immediate thermonuclear destruction of the planet... anything conventional and it's bombs-away! I only wish I were joking. China has already taken the first steps -- realizing that America can't be handled conventionally. They've started developing their economy and cyberwarfare resources at a pace that exceeds America's, and the disparity is growing measurably every few months. It will only be a decade at most before they're left eating the dust of China as it rises to become a global economic superpower.
America is looking at undersea cables and going; If we can delay this a bit somehow... it'll slow 'em down. Their policies towards china have become very much about delaying and frustrating them, because stopping them isn't an option anymore. There's billions of chinese, and only millions of Americans. But stubborn nationalistic pride is keeping both sides from finding a mutually-acceptable middle ground. Unfortunately for America... they're rapidly losing their position at the bargaining table. They may not have a chair in a few more years at the rate China is developing.
And I think that, more than anything, is what is driving behavior like this. Worrying about the Chinese spying on everyone and putting backdoors in telecom equipment is a pretty pitiful excuse when America has been pants'd internationally over the exact same thing recently, and new examples are being made public weekly. And China isn't running around hunting down its ex-pats in Russian airports when its citizens come forward and say what its government is up to. They just stare blankly into the camera and then say "We make you iphone! iPhone good! You want more iphones? Shut up." ... and that's the end of it. -_-
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China is building a cable across the Pacific, and American firms want to invest and use their equipment. Suddenly it sounds rational to disallow foreigners. How's that work?
I get the idea that Americans just aren't allowed to do anything that's in their national interest. If the Chinese government (and that's what state-owned enterprises means) wants to invest and install their own equipment, then the Americans must allow them! The Chinese will install spyware on the cable? Oh, boo hoo you Americans will just have to take it because you're bad people and hurt puppies!
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Why should we take it in the ass from NSA / America and not China?
Which country is heading to the future, and which is stagnating (at best).
When Americans learn to play nice in the world they can come back and have a seat at the grown up table.
Until then why not use cheaper Chinese cables and equiptment.
What the US military will absolutely prevent is another Pearl Harbor attack.
Huh? Is the NSA afraid they'll have competition in the "listening in to the whole world" business if they allow China to install a cable that could contain Chinese backdoors and no USA backdoor? Sucks to be them.
Australia and NZ need more links to Asia than USA.
With all the NSA shenanigans, Im sure most people would prefer their data didnt go to the US anyway.
Asia is growing and US is stagnating, plan for the future.
I'd rather take it in the ass from China than the NSA, 'cause the Chinese won't come down on me if I critisize my own country (the USA). The NSA would put me on a list of suspectable terrorists. I'd definitely pick Chinese interference over NSA.
China and Russia must step up the game. I don't trust U.S gov in their ambitions to rule the world. They care less for the good of everyone, and more for securing their own place at the top.
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If this were translated, millions of Chinese would laugh.
I don't think you understood what I just said.
the growing rivalry between the U.S. and China
If anything the US and Chinese people have grown closer over the past decades; scratch that - for certain the US and Chinese people have grown closer over the past decades.
Only a bunch of crazy old men claiming to represent the people could continually fuck this up. To them I say: "get out of the way."
My God, it's Full of Source!
OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
American cable = NSA, CIA, FBI, DHS, ICE spying
China cable = PLA, Korea spying
The mind conceives, the body achieves, the spirit manifests.
So you want the objectively more oppressive country on top, to the detriment of billions, because it won't personally affect you. What a great guy you are.
<SARCASM>Because we can trust American hardware not to have NSA back doors, right?</SARCASM>
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
Ya know, using a strawman & following it up with an ad hominem, really changed my mind in this case. I was totally wrong that I, as a U.S. citizen, have more to fear from the NSA than from China. I'm really glad you opened my eyes to the fact I was wrong, by pointing out how selfish I was being to not think about how 1 billion Chinese would be no better or worse off than they already are. Which, wasn't really the point I was making, but hey, you sure did tear down that point. Thanks! :-)
PS. Recommend you learn more about Chinese oppression from some sources that aren't so biased against China, and learn more about U.S. oppression, then compare the two, before you make blanket statements about who's more "objectively more oppressive", to support your world view.
The Chinese should just build a cable anyway and run it for cheaper than everybody else. I know where the traffic will go.
What they are worried somebody else it going to be listening in on every conversation apart from them !
"I love how the anti-American bigots trot this sort of bullshit out, without context."
So where is the contect of all the "bad things" that the pro-Merkin shitheads bang out all the time?
Or is the context "I'm a Merkin, therefore I cannot be a bad guy"?
When Americans learn to play nice in the world they can come back and have a seat at the grown up table.
Please do not confuse Americans with their government. Quite a few of us strongly disapprove of what the NSA has done and have been noisy about it.
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Who do you prefer listening into your communications? The US or China?
Given the inherent malignity of state entities, which is the least-worst?
-Styopa
I am not sure I understand this story: why US has its word to say about who is connecting Australia and New Zaeland? Aren't theses territories sovereign nations?
I think they were chosen by Jeebus, or something. Im prety sure it gives them a free pass.
The USA is reported to have a long history of cable tapping, Blind Man's Bluff: The Untold Story of American Submarine Espionage
http://www.amazon.com/Blind-Mans-Bluff-Submarine-Espionage/dp/006097771X/ref=sr_1_1
"For decades American submarines have roamed the depths in a dangerous battle for information and advantage in missions known only to a select few. Now, after six years of research, those missions are told in Blind Man's Bluff, a magnificent achievement in investigative reporting. It reads like a spy thriller -- except everything in it is true. This is an epic of adventure, ingenuity, courage, and disaster beneath the sea, a story filled with unforgettable characters who engineered daring missions to tap the enemy's underwater communications cables and to shadow Soviet submarines."
Article is very racist!!! China has had sovereignty over Pacific region for 5000 years and brought prosperity and peace. America is barbaric and gives nothing to the world. Slashdot needs greater editorial oversight to ensure the respect of Chinese people!
The USA has spent it's history thinking that the enemy was
1) The British
2) The native Americans
3) The Mexicans
4) The Russians
5) The Chineese
In time they may work out what the rest of the world has known all along. The French are the real enemy,
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You know what they say about Chinese gears - you never get full once using it !!!
I think it's pretty simple. The ones that pay are the ones that can decide the sources for their equipment. If two entities each pay a bit, they can both decide. If two entities want to form an alliance to pay, they don't need to allow other entities in to the alliance. Thus if AU/NZ/US don't want China involved (don't forget AU has already said no to a certain Chinese manufacturer supplying for their NBN), then they can choose not to get China involved, and can choose not to use Chinese equipment.
When I was in Mississippi some years ago, I got the impression they already considered the French an enemy.
Their War-On-Frenchfries was already well under way.
Oh yeah, because China doesn't silence critics.
So you believe the Chinese would silence me for criticizing the USA?
How many Al Jazeera offices has the Chinese military bombed in the last 10 years? Has the PM of China personally called a third world dictator to keep a journalist imprisoned and tortured, like Obama did with Yemen?
Nonsensical talking point. Getting an exit visa wouldn't have changed anything, because Snowden chose Hong Kong precisely because it wouldn't raise red flags with the government as opposed to flying to Caracas.
By people like Bradley Manning, who was subjected to two years of psycological torture before being tried in a kangaroo court.
Or, they aren't total morons and can see who the most belligerent bully in the world is. How many nations has China bombed, how many worldwide torture programs has it run while trying to tap and store the communications of everyone on the planet.
The Nobel Peace Prize winner, who desperately wanted to bomb a country, was clowned by a former KGB stooge who swooped in with a peace deal. What about it?
How many overseas military bases and carrier groups does China have compared to the 700+ of the United States.
In the last 12 years, the U.S. has started two illegal wars of choice that have resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, millions of refugees, destabilized entire regions, conducted a worldwide kidnapping & torture program, and marks 50 innocent people for death for every alleged terrorist it bombs. And used chemical weapons on civilians in Iraq, the sort of thing it's claiming Assad should be bombed for doing.
Tell me how China gets remotely close to any of that.
is anybody making progress with satellite?