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Apple Starts Blocking Unauthorized Lightning Cables With iOS 7

beltsbear writes "Your formerly working clone Lightning cable could stop working with the latest iOS update. Previously the beta version allowed these cables to charge with a warning message but the final release actually stops many cables from working. Apples Lightning connector system is locked with authentication chips that can verify if a cable is authorized by Apple. Many users with clone cables are now without the ability to charge their iPhones."

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  1. In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Control freaks like controlling.

    1. Re:In other news by lagomorpha2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Apple: Not Even Once

    2. Re:In other news by Stumbles · · Score: 5, Informative

      Its called; broken by design.

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    3. Re:In other news by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Do you really think they wouldn't still be trying to lock out third-party products if no-one had been electrocuted?

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    4. Re:In other news by Knightman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, I'm not surprised that there are knockoffs for the Apple chargers. And this thing with 'unauthorized' cables, I was laughing my head off the first time I heard it and I predicted that exactly this situation would occur.

      They want ~$29 USD for their chargers and an "ordinary" charger with USB connector is ~$5 USD. Paying more than $20 extra just because it says Apple on it is just plain stupid and there are people out there that will try to cash in on it (besides Apple I mean).

      My guess is that we will hear some whining from Apple-product owners now and it's essentially their own fault for 2 reasons:
      1. They bought an Apple product.
      2. They bought a third party peripheral for their Apple product.

      There is no denying that Apple make good products but I would never buy one because of their walled garden and antics like this.

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    5. Re:In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Its called; broken by design.

      And, all the fanbois think Microsoft is the definition of evil.

    6. Re:In other news by narcc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, yes I do.

      So does just about everyone else.

    7. Re:In other news by Stumbles · · Score: 4, Informative

      True. But Apple has shinier baubles so in their mind that's OK. Not to take anything away from Microsoft. They earned their evil tag.

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    8. Re:In other news by arbiter1 · · Score: 5, Informative

      i was just thinkin if MS did this crap, how long would it be til DOJ federal investigation kicked off.

    9. Re:In other news by bitt3n · · Score: 5, Funny

      Do you really think they wouldn't still be trying to lock out third-party products if no-one had been electrocuted?

      if no one had been electrocuted, that would mean the guy at Apple whose job it is to make sure the iPhone electrocutes users of knockoff chargers must have been asleep at the wheel

    10. Re:In other news by raodin · · Score: 2

      The case is probably connected to the ground pin. This is pretty common practice.

      Same thing would happen with a PC connected with a power cable that has live and ground swapped.

    11. Re:In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Uhh why not just use an established standard like say ooohh micro USB??

    12. Re:In other news by r1348 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Think different.

    13. Re:In other news by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You have stories like these [huffingtonpost.com], where people are getting electrocuted by iphone chargers.

      This has nothing to do with the chargers. It has to do with the cables. It's not about safety, it's about control.

      If they could, they wouldn't let anybody else sell you a screen protector or a stylus without it having "Apple" on it.

      I used to love this company. Their stock helped me put my kid through college. But now they are way up there on the list of companies that suck ass. And their stock price is reflecting that, which is a good thing.

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    14. Re:In other news by Garridan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I saw three of these things blow last week at my local hackspace (we were using them for Raspberry Pi's, but whatever). Bottom line: if you're going to make a cubic-inch transformer that steps 120v down to 5v, and put out an amp, you need to use quality materials. This isn't altruism on Apple's part, nor is it greed. This is them covering their asses. They can say "hey, look, we did everything we can -- the user bypassed warnings, and hacked her OS just to use a faulty charger". And they get zero fault.

    15. Re: In other news by Garridan · · Score: 3, Informative

      The problem is the mini wall chargers. Cheap ones are made of cheap materials. If your transformer shorts at the wrong point (likely, since it's made on the cheap), you deliver 120VAC to your device that's built to handle 5VDC. And then whoever is holding on to the metal case gets a shock. And to anybody who's like "but why is the case connected to anything anyway?" It probably wasn't. But when you dump 120V into a 5V hole, and the phone is milimeters thin, an air gap just doesn't offer that much resistance.

    16. Re:In other news by BronsCon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The authentication chip authenticates the cable, not the charger, to the phone. You can still just as easily use an aftermarket charger with an "authentic" Apple cable, so that's not why they do this.

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    17. Re:In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This, right here, is why I will never carry an Apple phone. Not only to they eschew standards, now they are deliberately working to eliminate interoperability with non-Apple products. Fuck them very much.

    18. Re:In other news by msobkow · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What's stupid is paying $900 for a phone and then bitching about $30 for a charger.

      It's like the idiot I saw in Mississauga, ON driving an umpteen thousand dollar car. He couldn't get up a shallow hill because he didn't buy snow tires. All that money, and not a dime on the important part of the purchase.

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    19. Re:In other news by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "It's not about safety, it's about control."

      Unless I am mistaken, exactly this kind of "corporate lock-in", for safety or any other reason, has consistently been ruled by the courts to be "anti-competitive practice" and is outlawed.

      I *LIKE* Apple products. But I do not like the lock-in, or Apple's attitude about it. I would be happy to see a class-action lawsuit over this.

    20. Re: In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ill never own one either, but keep in mind those chargers are shit and break. Its not that hard off the beaten trail to assume they are trying to protect their brand by eliminating the levels of suck.

    21. Re:In other news by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 5, Informative

      http://www.righto.com/2012/10/a-dozen-usb-chargers-in-lab-apple-is.html

      That guy tore a part a bunch of USB chargers and rated them based on the materials inside. The 'cheap' ones are indeed VERY cheap and dangerous.

      This counterfeit charger has so much noise in the output that I had to double the scale on the left to get it to fit. Note the very large spikes in the output (yellow). ... This counterfeit charger shows extremely poor regulation, as shown by the very wide yellow line. It's hard to fit a voltage-current curve to this picture. The amount of power supplied by this charger seems almost random.

    22. Re:In other news by icebike · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But you have to admit, putting smarts in an otherwise dumb as a hammer cable instead of the devices it connects
      is an ingenious money grab.

      Astoundingly, brazenly, mercenary, but, when you have logic-blinded fanbois as customers
      who will buy anything you hand them just to look cool, what kind of behavior do you expect?

      What's next, a box you have to register? A warning booklet that you need an unlock code for?

       

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    23. Re:In other news by LordLimecat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Better make sure you get those expensive Denon HDMI cables for your 72" TV; why spend all that money on a TV and then scrimp on a $5 digital cable when you can pamper your TV with a quality cable.

      Youre right that theres "being cheap", but the other side of the coin is "being foolish with money". Seeing as most small device manufacturers (routers, printers, switches, cable boxes, etc) manage to make wall-warts to go with their $20 gadgets without breaking the bank or electrocuting their customers, it stretches credulity to suppose that Apple cant make a charger for under $30 for a ~10W device.

      No, the reason theyre charging $30 for a charger for a $900 device is because they know you already spent $900 and a 200% profit margin on a charger probably isnt going to stop you from buying the device.

    24. Re:In other news by zippthorne · · Score: 3, Insightful

      a cable doesn't have to worry about any of that. It is the USB socket device that must worry about those things.

      The cable should just be bundled wires with a connector. It doesn't have to step down anything.

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    25. Re:In other news by rockout · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That would not be nearly as profitable.

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    26. Re:In other news by Belial6 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I always find if funny that almost every revision of Apple phones, there is always as story about how incompetent the Apple engineers are, and how this incompetence is a favor to the customer. Personally, I don't buy it. As you said, most small device manufacturers can make cheap wall warts that don't electrocute customers. To accept that somehow cheap chargers are only dangerous when used with iPhones requires a belief that Apple engineers are not competent.

    27. Re:In other news by upuv · · Score: 5, Informative

      Finally a reader that realized that the electrocution from the charger has nothing do with the cables. The charger and the cable are separate things.

      People the cable is a separate thing from the charger. If you used one of the dodgy chargers with a genuine apple cable you are still as likely to be electrocuted.

      Other readers please stop spreading the FUD that it's about safety. It's not.

      And guess what Lightning is not an international standard. It is a variation on a standard. And Apple can do anything they want with it. It's called a proprietary connector. There is nothing at all illegal about what Apple is doing. It's entirely self defeating.

      Is it greedy? Yes
      Does it have anything to do with safety? No
      Is Apple doing the right thing for it's customers? No

    28. Re:In other news by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Apple doesn't need to cover their asses. It's already covered by the user who used a device capable of transmitting lethal voltages down a cable not designed for it. This is just a convenient way for apple to lock out third party devices. Apple already did everything they could be designing a device which doesn't have a single lethal voltage anywhere inside.

      And no you don't need to use quality materials. You need to use good engineering. The materials can still be cheap and be perfectly safe. The most expensive components don't help you if you get your isolation or control scheme right. Or my favourite ignoring any requirement for heat sinking.

    29. Re:In other news by Pausanias · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There's a flip side. I brought in an iPhone 5, almost out of warranty, with a broken sleep button, to the Genius Bar on my way to work. The guy said "yep," 5 minutes later I walked away with a fully functioning replacement, no questions asked; got to my office, and it was like having a brand new phone.

      Then I was at an AT&T store. I saw a I guy with a Windows Phone; same thing---button issues, still under warranty. He got told to ship his phone somewhere. He needed his phone so he couldn't ship it off. So he got told to haul is ass somewhere thirty minutes away to a depot, and maybe after they looked at it there would get a replacement. The look of confused frustration on his face made me feel like I was taping an apple commercial.

      Bottom line is: everyone says Apple is more expensive. Well, first of all, it's not. Same price for the top-tier Apple and Android phones. OK, so the cables are more expensive and proprietary. True that stinks, but maybe that pays for stuff like the Genius bar where they go out of their way to make life easier for you.

    30. Re:In other news by Runaway1956 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Greed? You call it greed? How can you? I am very happy that Apple has these approved conductors. Using an unapproved conductor might result in some random positively charged electron flowing through my device. What kind of havoc might result from THAT? Oh, Please, Apple - put those chips into your conductive cables! Filter out those positive electrons!! Yea, though I walk through the valley of positiveness, Apple will protect me with negativeness!!

      Alright, so the inanity and the sarcasm are over done - I apologize.

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    31. Re:In other news by no-body · · Score: 2

      Would not do diddly squat as history proofed.

    32. Re:In other news by linebackn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Better yet, imagine where the "PC" would be today if IBM had tried something like this.

      Imagine if you you were in the early 80s, bought an IBM PC, and the only devices you could add were from IBM?

      People bought IBM PCs and clones because there was so much choice and competition. Instead of having separate serial/fdd/parallel/whatever cards from IBM you could throw in some cheap Tiwanese card that did all of that in one. IBM wouldn't support it, and you might wind up blowing up your motherboard and printer, but that is a risk you could CHOOSE to take.

      The fact was, a lot of other vendors back then tried to create lock-in like that - upgrades only available from said vendor. And with really only one exception (Apple), where are they now? Long gone and forgotten to history, that is where!

    33. Re:In other news by sjames · · Score: 4, Informative

      That is an example of getting electrocuted by the bad charger, not by the cable. The official cable plugged into that same bad charger will still result in electrocution.

    34. Re: In other news by futuresheep · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Apples cables are shit and break as well. My wife went through 3 of them in 6 months. She finally got fed up and bought 5 knock offs from some Hong Kong vendor for the price of 1 official cable. She's not the only one.

      http://store.apple.com/us/reviews/MD818ZM/A/lightning-to-usb-cable

    35. Re: In other news by futuresheep · · Score: 4, Informative

      Just by charging them. She has two cables in the house, one connected to her laptop, and one connected to a wall charger in the bedroom. Both pretty much stay in the charging device full time, the only change is when the iphone is plugged in and unplugged. Nothing any more stressful happens to the cables other than your standard plug and unplug like you'd do with a USB cable.

      The 30 pin cables were great, the new cables are crap.

    36. Re:In other news by Chrontius · · Score: 2

      And they couldn't shove 4x more current down a MicroUSB cable without using a jack three times as large. Have you looked at a MicroUSB3 plug lately? It's almost as big as the old dock connector they just retired. They could have gotten much of that benefit by switching to PDMI, but we're now at a point where battery life and plug size are seriously at odds.

    37. Re:In other news by havana9 · · Score: 2

      Better yet, imagine where the "PC" would be today if Apple had tried something like this.

      Imagine if you you were in the early 80s, bought an Apple][ PC, and the only devices you could add were from Apple

      People bought Apple PCs and clones because there was so much choice and competition.

      FTFY The IBM PC design was a a choice made by IBM after seeing the huge success of the Apple ][ PC. At the time IBM was perfectly capable to build a custom microporcessor. They had the technology to build the IBM 5100 in 1975. A better and faster system in 1981 using an IBM CPU was feasible.

    38. Re:In other news by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 2

      "There are other licensed cables. I would embrace the chance to buy non-chinese local produced apple licensed cables. The middle ground is just hard too find."

      That is an argument AGAINST the lock-in I was referring to, not for it.

      Other LICENSED cables. Sure. But why are there cheap Chinese knockoffs in the first place? BECAUSE the costs of cables are being artificially inflated by the licensing scheme.

      You don't see this shit in competitive markets. In THOSE markets, products get BETTER, not worse, and the price continually goes DOWN.

    39. Re:In other news by grahammm · · Score: 5, Informative

      IBM did try this with the PS/2 range which used the proprietary Micro-channel slots instead of ISA. This was a spectacular flop.

    40. Re: In other news by SplatMan_DK · · Score: 2

      There is no "DRM" in your power supply from Dell. The problems you describe sounds like a defective PSU or an error on the power circuits in your PC.

      The reason you see these error message is because the PC and CPU can communicate and negotiate how much power is delivered from the PSU. This is to ensure proper operation and correct battery charging cycles.

      Lenovo and other major vendors do this as well. Just try attaching a 65W Lenovo PSU to a machine that came with a 85W and see what happens.

      You have faulty hardware.

      Odds are a non-Dell replacement will work just fine for you. Say, a Kensington or similar.

      Or pick up a used but original one on eBay. They come pretty cheap.

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    41. Re:In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The monoprice charger in the article you cited got the same rating as Apple's charger but it only costs $7. Thank you for confirming what we all suspected, that Apple is ripping you off.

    42. Re: In other news by noh8rz10 · · Score: 2

      well, they were just in the news for an unauthorized charger electricuting a girl in the tub, so I'm not surprised they want to clamp down on $0.24 monoprice chargers. smart company is smart.

    43. Re: In other news by iamhassi · · Score: 2

      Ill never own one either, but keep in mind those chargers are shit and break. Its not that hard off the beaten trail to assume they are trying to protect their brand by eliminating the levels of suck.

      this right there. People have been shocked and killed by a counterfeit Apple chargers.

      Apple is trying to save lives and people are bashing Apple for it? Seriously android fan boys need to give it a rest.

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    44. Re: In other news by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well to be fair, Apple is trying to make *more* money while also possibly, maybe, once, preventing someone from dying.

      Of course if they priced their stuff at reasonable levels, perhaps people wouldn't be buying the cheapo stuff...that is another way they could prevent people from dying. They didn't choose that route though...

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    45. Re:In other news by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

      The most glaring failure in electrical safety in the iPhone design is the metal case. It wouldn't matter what cable was used to connect the phone to a faulty charger that has a leakage path to the AC mains. Any cable would do, even the best most sanctioned phone bought at treble the price from the Apple Store. The direct path from the circuit being charged that a metal case provides to the user (who in the case in question was in a bathtub, grounded to the AC return circuit by plumbing) is there regardless of the cable used, so long as a defective charger was in use.

      The metal case is inherently unsafe in comparison to the 'cheap' plastic cases most other vendors use. In fact, perhaps Apple should start a marketing campaign about this. "Buy the iPhone 5c. With it's plastic case, it's less likely to electrocute you than any previous model of iPhone!"

    46. Re:In other news by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 2

      "Class-action lawsuit on what grounds?"

      I already stated the grounds: anti-competitive practices.

      There are ways to compete in markets, and there are ways to "lock in" your customers and reduce their choices. The former is generally considered good, and the latter is generally considered bad. Depending on how egregious the "lock in" is, it is sometimes ruled to be illegal.

      Example: suppose you built an automobile in such a way that it could only use YOUR brand of gasoline, which was only available at YOUR filling stations. And YOUR brand of oil, YOUR antifreeze, etc.

      Sure, it's arguable that people don't have to buy the car. That's nice and simple.

      But what if there were only 2 or 3 brands of cars available? Peoples' choices are reduced.

      What constitutes "anticompetitive practices" depends on the particular situation. But I would say Apple is pushing the envelope a bit. Maybe it's not illegal, YET. But if they keep it up, sooner or later they are bound to cross the line.

      They already have, in other areas. Like the price-fixing suit, for example.

    47. Re:In other news by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      I already stated the grounds: anti-competitive practices.

      Anti-competetive practices aren't usually illegal. Just look all the anti-competitive practiced that lots of other companies have gotten away with for the last few decades. Heck, look at the infamous Microsoft trial; they basically got off scot-free, and it couldn't get much more blatant than that. Computing companies have been practicing customer lock-in for ages with no recourse from the government. Where was the DoJ when Intel tried to force everyone to buy RAMBUS memory? The only reason they stopped was because much-smaller AMD went with much-cheaper SDRAM and Intel was forced by their customers to follow suit. And don't get me started on "enterprise" computing software, where lock-in is the norm. What about MS and their closed, proprietary file formats for Office? In fact, every software company that ever uses closed, proprietary file formats is practing lock-in, but you never see any lawsuits over it.

      The former is generally considered good, and the latter is generally considered bad.

      Being "bad" isn't illegal, and in this country rarely results in any kind of government intervention or successful lawsuit.

      Depending on how egregious the "lock in" is, it is sometimes ruled to be illegal.

      Like when? As I pointed out with MS before, even if somehow it is found illegal, it only results in a slap on the wrist. Just look at Exxon and the Valdez disaster; that was what? 30 years ago? They still haven't paid the fines for that clean-up, and are still in court contesting them!

      But what if there were only 2 or 3 brands of cars available? Peoples' choices are reduced.

      Yes, it sucks, but what are you going to do about it? Sue them? Haha, good luck with that. Petition Obama to send the DoJ after them? Haha, good luck with that. Just look at Texas: they've actually banned Tesla from selling cars there, because Tesla can't/won't sell through dealerships. That's obviously anti-competitive, but do you see the government doing anything about it? Of course not. (And funnily enough, it was GOP politicians, the guys always screaming about "free markets!!!!", who got Tesla sales banned in TX.)

      But if they keep it up, sooner or later they are bound to cross the line.

      No they aren't. The US government is far more corrupt now than it was in the late 90s during the Microsoft trial; there's no way Apple will ever face any government scrutiny for its actions. Your only hope is that the EU will do something about it.

    48. Re:In other news by Chrontius · · Score: 2

      A standard microUSB connector is designed for 0.5 amps. They are routinely pushed to 0.9 amps. USB 3.0 can push 5 amps, however, but that runs into the same form factor problem I mentioned before.

      If people are pushing 1.8 amps over microUSB connectors, why weren't they rated at that in the first place? Why was the spec not revised upwards?

    49. Re:In other news by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      MicroUSB is rated for 1.8A on the power pins, and up to 0.5A on the other pins. It's in the spec, which is freely available on the USB web site.

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  2. Wow, they managed to break the idea of a cable! by gweihir · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The idea of a physical cable is that it is simple, robust and as long as the connectors fit, it should (given sane engineering) do what is expected. It is fascinating how they violate that simple and powerful idea in a complex way, just to make a few bucks more. It is also utterly repulsive to any principled engineer.

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    1. Re:Wow, they managed to break the idea of a cable! by makomk · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Don't worry - even though the only benefits of Apple's Lightning connector over Micro USB are being able to insert it upside down and a hardware-enforced requirement to pay Apple a cut on any Lightning cables, there were plenty of fanbois in the media ready to portray it as some super-futureproof, all digital miracle. (In fact it's shown exactly the same futureproof, all-digital ability to support new interfaces without hardware changes as bog standard USB. Even the Lightning video out is a hack that compresses the video to the point it could be send over USB, and in fact probably is.)

    2. Re:Wow, they managed to break the idea of a cable! by gweihir · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Indeed. Their greed seems to have eradicate all instances of the KISS-principle in their people. If you do not follow KISS, you cannot be taken seriously as an engineer.

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    3. Re:Wow, they managed to break the idea of a cable! by gweihir · · Score: 3, Interesting

      As if only Apple could build electrically sound chargers. No, the problem is that in China, no quality level is too low to push it onto the market and people will still buy it even if it is safety-critical equipment.

      And what have defective-by-design USB PSUs to do with the cable? Does the "genuine" cable prevent the USB side from being plugged into a defective charger? All the stories seem to indicate that it does not, so your claim would be entirely bogus.

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    4. Re:Wow, they managed to break the idea of a cable! by msauve · · Score: 2

      Really? You don't know where the "PS/2" in "PS/2 keyboards and mice" comes from? Or that the ANSI/TIA-232-F standard specifies 25 pin (with a 26 pin alternate) connectors, and DE-9 ones just as proprietary as the mini-DIN which Apple used?

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    5. Re:Wow, they managed to break the idea of a cable! by Knightman · · Score: 3, Informative

      Regarding low quality goods being produced in china, the majority of these goods come into existence this way:
      1. Company calls up a Chinese manufacturer to get a price quote for a doodad they designed.
      2. Chinese manufacturer replies with a quote.
      3. Company asks if they can make it cheaper.
      4. Chinese manufacturer says yes
      5. Company asks how cheap
      6. Chinese manufacturer quotes a bottom price
      7. Company says great, you got a deal.
      8. Market is flooded with cheap and crappy doodads.

      There is often a disconnect between western companies and Chinese manufacturers regarding how they negotiate and do business which leads to the above situation. Then there is those who really just want to manufacture really cheap doodads to make a quick buck.

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    6. Re:Wow, they managed to break the idea of a cable! by pla · · Score: 2

      the only benefits of Apple's Lightning connector over Micro USB are being able to insert it upside down

      That actually doesn't count as a "benefit" - Quite the opposite, it means that incorrectly attaching a device most people consider passive has to potential to destroy your much more expensive phone/tablet if its orientation sensing ability fails (unless it has the exact same pinout on both sides, in which case, can we say "wasteful"?)

      OTOH, I have yet to successfully plug a USB cable in upside-down, no matter how hard I try to force it.

      Engineers have had a fabulous infallible technique for making people plug things together the right way for literally centuries (yes, this predates electricity) - Keyed connectors. Trapezoids, notches, asymmetric sides of a bend, hell, even the standard 3-prong AC adapter - All work simply wonderfully, no need for expensive active electronics just to get 5V to a battery charge controller.

    7. Re:Wow, they managed to break the idea of a cable! by bmo · · Score: 5, Funny

      I have yet to successfully plug a USB cable in upside-down, no matter how hard I try to force it.

      I have yet to successfully plug in a USB cable right-side-up the first time, even though it's supposed to be 50-50.

      >Try to plug in
      >Nope
      >Turn over
      >Nope
      >Turn over again
      >Goes in.

      It's the work of Satan, I tells ya.

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    8. Re:Wow, they managed to break the idea of a cable! by Belial6 · · Score: 2

      You have been conned. Apple's exposure is no more or less than every single other electronic device that plugs into a wall. The only way that Apple has any real exposure is if there is something special about the iPhone that makes electrocution more likely than with say, a TV. I have more faith in Apple's engineers than to believe that they are somehow producing particularly dangerous devices. I have less faith in Apple's management when it comes to using excuses to try and act like an abusive monopoly.

    9. Re:Wow, they managed to break the idea of a cable! by niks42 · · Score: 2

      It was exactly this point about anti-competitive practices that made sure IBM did not patent the PS/2 mini-DIN Connector. Hello, we even agonised for months over whether we should bundle the mouse with the computer or not, since that might be seen to exclude fair competition. Trying to balance between shipping a product that was complete, and would work when it arrived and ensuring that competitors had a fair chance at shipping their product in the place of one of IBMs was difficult, when IBM was a behemoth trying to be good.

    10. Re:Wow, they managed to break the idea of a cable! by Patch86 · · Score: 2

      Something that curiously never comes up in the world of USB cables outside of Apple devices- you know, those cables that are in use for every other device in the known world these days. USB cables and chargers made in the cheapest Chinese workshops still seem to manage to work without electrocuting anything.

      This means that either:
      1) The Lightning extension to the USB standard is somehow inherently dangerous.
      2) People who manufacture Apple peripherals are less competent than all of the other peripheral manufacturers in the world.
      3) Apple devices are so poorly designed that they can take a minor defect in a cable and make it a risk of serious injury, where other companies' devices would not.
      4) Apple are just trying to cash in by forcing you to pay £30 for £5 worth of cable.

      I know which of the four options I favour.

    11. Re:Wow, they managed to break the idea of a cable! by sociocapitalist · · Score: 2

      Regarding low quality goods being produced in china, the majority of these goods come into existence this way:
      1. Company calls up a Chinese manufacturer to get a price quote for a doodad they designed.
      2. Chinese manufacturer replies with a quote.
      3. Company asks if they can make it cheaper.
      4. Chinese manufacturer says yes
      5. Company asks how cheap
      6. Chinese manufacturer quotes a bottom price
      7. Company says great, you got a deal.
      8. Market is flooded with cheap and crappy doodads.

      There is often a disconnect between western companies and Chinese manufacturers regarding how they negotiate and do business which leads to the above situation. Then there is those who really just want to manufacture really cheap doodads to make a quick buck.

      There's a shorter path that occurs as well, yielding the same result:
      1. Company outsources manufacturing to China
      2. Company loses control of the manufacturing of the product
      3. Some number of Chinese companies pop up making exactly the same product as cheaply as possible.
      4. Market is flooded with cheap and crappy doodads

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  3. Re:Load of crock by lagomorpha2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...unless their cable broke (cables do wear our on occasion)

    In which case Apple is just making a money grab by forcing people to buy their overpriced cables.

  4. This Just In ... by ve3oat · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The Ford Motor Company has reprogrammed all recent model Ford cars and light trucks to prevent them from being refueled from Texaco gas pumps. Film at eleven.

    1. Re:This Just In ... by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Apple doesn't sell electricity. And electric companies don't sell consumer electronics. What's your fucking point? Oh, you didn't have one.

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  5. Dear Apple by vadim_t · · Score: 4, Informative

    Thanks for reminding me of another reason why I don't buy your products

  6. Confused as usual. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Informative

    TFA talks about Apple''s desire not to have it's customers electrocute themselves with dodgy, cheap chargers.

    TFA (and TFS) talk about the evils of unlicensed cables.

    I can get where Apple might come down on the dodgy chargers. At least some had clearances that allowed mains voltages to jump to the charging cable and thence to the unfortunate Apple Fritter. I don't see where the cable itself is involved. I'm thinking that if you put mains voltage on the Official Lightning Cable (TM) it's going to happily conduct the electricity to whatever it's connected to. Or do official cables have a ground fault interrupt circuit in them?

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    1. Re:Confused as usual. by dk20 · · Score: 2

      If that were true, they would lower the price on their own chargers so people didnt feel a need to buy knockoffs. They make enough on the phones, they dont need to do this with the cables. Its funny as most companies learned and went with standard USB jacks some time ago.

    2. Re:Confused as usual. by cas2000 · · Score: 4, Informative

      > There is also the fact that a micro-USB charging port is
      > mandatory in the EU on mobile phones, just so that people
      > do not have to buy the expensive ones from the phone vendor.

      and so that they don't have to buy a new charger when they get a new phone; and so that they don't need multiple different and separate chargers (home,work,car,etc) for each device (phone, tablet,etc); and, most importantly, so that they don't have to throw away the old chargers. a big part of the reason for the law was to reduce electronic waste.

      most phone/tablet/gadget manufacturers responded by making mini-usb or micro-usb charging ports standard in every country. not apple. they met the requirement in europe with an adaptor while keeping their high-priced proprietary (and disposable) charger everywhere else.

      it's also clear that apple's designs deliberately encourage waste and disposal rather than re-use and repair. iphones and ipads are cheaper / more convenient to replace than repair if the screen or glass is cracked.

      more obviously, their all-in-one imacs with a beautiful high-resolution 27" or 30" screen built-in are intended to be disposed of rather than upgraded. the screen is probably the single most expensive component in the unit, and the one that has the most potential longevity (i.e. it's less likely to need replacing/upgrading as technology improves). but you can't upgrade the CPU in the imac. you're supposed to discard the entire thing in a year or two and buy a new one. a huge amount of unneccessary waste.

    3. Re:Confused as usual. by Khyber · · Score: 3, Informative

      Of course not. They don't want you to know that they will exclude your computer from future OS upgrades in roughly 3 years.

      ~former Apple repair tech, specialized in OSX installations (did you know certain G3 and G4 iBooks/PowerBooks would only accept 10.2.3 or 10.2.8 and NOTHING ELSE? Bet you the school districts that had these laptops wouldn't have bought them if they knew that!)

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  7. Re: Walled garden got a roof by alen · · Score: 4, Informative

    We won't care

  8. Re:Load of crock by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Many Apple users now have to use the official legal lightning cables included with their IPhone

    Well, you don't say.

    Luckily, I happen to have a bunch of legal charging cables for my Android phone scattered around the house. They kind of accumulate from miscellaneous gadgets.

    Not having to keep track of a single magic cable is one less complication in my life.

  9. Re:Load of crock by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 5, Informative

    "cheap doesn't always equal better!!!"

    I guess that's why Apple makes their products in China...........

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  10. Re:Load of crock by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is one of those problem the free market is meant to solve by itself - people are meant to stop buying iphones in response. Me, I'm perfectly happy with my Samsung Galaxy.

  11. Re:Load of crock by epyT-R · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So artificial lockouts are a-ok, and it's the customer's fault for not bowing to the proper altar? Quit apologizing for apple. They don't need your help. Since when do people need 'authorization' to use their products how they see fit? Where is the authorization for apple to modify/reduce functionality post-sale?

    Before you scream 'license agreement', the real issue is one of ethics. Well, if it's not ethical for the customer to use 'unauthorized' cables, then it's definitely unethical for apple to modify functionality post sale. This is a big problem that's getting worse as embedded computers spread to more and more devices.

  12. Massive FUD Project? by Freshly+Exhumed · · Score: 2

    I'm not sure whom I dislike more, Apple for having the unmitigated audacity to try the Lightning Pin4/Pin8 con job, or Monster Cables, a company that undoubtedly wishes they had thought it up first. I sure hope some independent lab tests will be done soon that show no harm from third party controllers. It would be a real treat to watch consumer legal actions if we knew for certain that the special Apple cables have no technically unique purpose other than to cause consumers to buy them out of FUD.

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  13. Official cable doesn't stop dangerous chargers by George_Ou · · Score: 2

    A person can still use an overpriced official cable from Apple but used a dangerous charger and the dangerous conductive surface of the iPhone. The cable isn't the cause of the safety issue but the cable is what's overpriced so iOS 7 is forcing you to buy the overpriced cables. The official Apple chargers aren't *that* overpriced.

  14. Re:Walled garden got a roof by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well I wonder how apple users will relate to this walled garden business now.

    With post-hoc rationalization (and antipathy towards those who point it out).

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  15. Two ways to be shocked by a Lightning cable by JoeyRox · · Score: 5, Funny

    1) Electrically shocked when using a malfunctioning generic cable
    2) Financially shocked when you learn what Apple charges for a genuine cable

  16. Re:To be fair by manicb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because the phone manufacturers who use standard usb connectors are having so much trouble...

  17. Re:Load of crock by dk20 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Increases the quality of apple's profit margins...

  18. Re:To be fair by ThisIsSaei2561 · · Score: 2

    I can't imagine that the number of people who die annually from knock-off chargers is a significant number.

  19. Re:To be fair by gl4ss · · Score: 2

    ...bullllllshit.

    the cable isn't the thing the cable is attached to which is the dangerous bit.

    the cables break, too. especially if you have to carry the one cable you have with you to everywhere.

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  20. Re:Load of crock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Except it is the charger not the cable that can be traded. Moron.

  21. Re:Chinese woman electrocuted by iphone by Gaygirlie · · Score: 2

    Forcing people to use official cables doesn't fix the issue of a knock-off charger, though. It's just smoke and mirrors, luddites won't understand the fact that even official cables can electrocute you just as well as non-official ones if the charger is faulty.

  22. Minor Sympathy. by jythie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To a degree, I can not blame them. Years ago I worked for a company that produced an embedded device. One of the largest categories of customer service calls came from people swapping out components with stuff they could by 'cheaper' at their local computer store, and it was OUR fault that it started behaving oddly. Then they would go on forums to complain about crappy our product was, leaving out that they were using some 3rd party cheapie instead of the hardware that we spent hundreds of man hours validating in various combinations.

    It was extremely frustrating to deal with, but when we tried to lock down some of the more critical (and high call volume) pieces like hard drives they would then run to forums to complain about our money grab by locking out cheap replacement drives and charging high prices for replacement ones.. even though that high price came from (a) manufacturer custom settings/firmware and (b) a supply guarantee from the manufacturer that we would continue to receive the exact validated model well past it's consumer equivalent would be end of lifed.

    So while as a consumer I agree it is annoying, as someone who has been on the other side I can sympathize with wanting to stop people from buying cheap unvalidated 3rd party crap.

    1. Re:Minor Sympathy. by msauve · · Score: 2

      This is about a cell phone charging cable, not a mission critical enterprise system.

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    2. Re:Minor Sympathy. by thue · · Score: 4, Insightful

      On the other hand, every other smartphone seems to be working just fine with a $2 standard microUSB cable.

    3. Re:Minor Sympathy. by jythie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Mission critical enterprise system? Average consumers are MUCH more reactive to minor inconveniences then people running mission critical systems.

  23. Re:Load of crock by dreamchaser · · Score: 3, Interesting

    He's not necessarily a moron. He's just a fanboi. To so many deluded people Apple is akin to religion, and like the Church is to a fanatic can do no wrong.

  24. Re:Load of crock by mysidia · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is one of those problem the free market is meant to solve by itself - people are meant to stop buying iphones in response. Me, I'm perfectly happy with my Samsung Galaxy.

    The problem is: people already bought their iphones.

    The software update will "brick their device", by making it incapable of being charged, by the power adapter that worked fine before.

    This is likely to result in a class action suit against Apple; potentially with a demand to repair/replace hardware that was rendered inoperable.

    (E.g. Replace customers' iPhones with new ones, that will work with all their charging cables, or pay the cost of replacement for all the 3rd party charging cables consumers had purchased, PLUS the price difference for any new cables the customer would have purchased from a 3rd party)

  25. Re:Load of crock by Joining+Yet+Again · · Score: 2

    The free market is meant to solve every problem, but in fact solves a small subset of problems.

    Just like any religion.

  26. "Authorized cable" by scottbomb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Even the term "authorized cable" is enough to make me cringe. It's a FUCKING CABLE. It's the very simplest of electronic devices (if you can even call it a "device"). It has connectors, connected by stranded wires. That's all there is to it. And yet even the humble CABLE can't escape Apple's walled garden. What's next? "Unauthorized" headphones?

    1. Re:"Authorized cable" by Voyager529 · · Score: 2

      What's next? "Unauthorized" headphones?

      Apple Earpods don't work as hands-free cell phone headsets on my Galaxy S3 or Note 2, or my dad's LG something-or-other...so unfortunately I think that base is already covered.

  27. Re:Load of crock by ATMAvatar · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Since when do people need 'authorization' to use their products how they see fit?

    Since DVDs with CSS encryption and region locking forced you to play your purchased disc on a particular set of devices sold in a particular part of the world - perhaps sooner. Things have been going downhill from there.

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  28. Re:Load of crock by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, the charger that is so convenient you have to leave your phone on the floor to charge because the cable is so short you can't plug it into a wall socket and say, put the phone on a night table. I hear you can buy a (slightly) longer cable for $50 though. To which I say fuck you, Apple.

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  29. Re: Load of crock by jhoger · · Score: 2

    What free market? If there was a free market you wouldn't need a license to make a competitive cable.

  30. Re:Load of crock by Joining+Yet+Again · · Score: 2

    The free market assumes all sorts of property and contract law which considerably limits everyone's power to freely make choices.

  31. Re:Walled garden got a roof by wbr1 · · Score: 2

    This morning I saw a line of about 50 people camped out 2 hours in advance at the Verizon store. They like the garden. The only snake in this garden is the owner of it, and apparently they like his bites.

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  32. God f-ing DAMMIT Slashdot, really? by RedBear · · Score: 3, Informative

    Damn it, Slashdot, I come here for anti-FUD, not FUD. This is just about the worst confused, untrue FUD article I've ever seen posted here.

    Apple are unequivocally NOT "blocking" the use of unauthorized third-party Lightning cables. The summary/title is absolutely 100% bullshit. The article says, and I quote: "Apple will probably shut the door on the usage of [unauthorized third-party Lightning cables] in a future update." (Emphasis mine.) Which is of course a completely baseless supposition by the article author in order to get outrage-clicks. The article also clearly includes a screenshot of the actual informative warning message that pops up, which simply says, "This cable or accessory is not certified and may not work reliably with this iPhone." With a single button that says "Dismiss".

    The article also throws third-party USB chargers into the mix which has absolutely nothing to do with the cables, just adding to the confusion. Apple has no way of blocking the use of any kind of USB charger, so it doesn't even belong in this discussion. After the death and coma incidents in China they instituted a trade-in program to garner public good will, where you can buy an Apple charger at half price if you bring in a third-party USB charger, but that is neither here nor there with regard to the Lightning cables.

    Look, I will be quite happy to come here and spew hatred and vitriol at Apple along with the rest of you anytime Apple ever actually does something as monumentally stupid as trying to block unauthorized Lightning cables from charging your iPhones. But until then is it really too much to ask that we only spew hatred and vitriol about things that are actually true? This is like spewing hatred at Microsoft because somebody posted a summary claiming Microsoft has kept Elvis imprisoned in their basement in Redmond for the last 40 years, while linking to an article that claims nothing of the sort. *insert WTF face here*

    Really, Slashdot? Is this audience really that easy to manipulate into getting outraged by total factless bullshit that isn't even supported by the only link in the summary? Are the editors really not capable of reading a couple of short paragraphs before posting obvious bullshit summaries? (Yeah, I know, must be new around here.)

    Slashdot, today, I am disappoint. >:-|

    1. Re:God f-ing DAMMIT Slashdot, really? by whoever57 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Apple are unequivocally NOT "blocking" the use of unauthorized third-party Lightning cables. The summary/title is absolutely 100% bullshit. The article says, and I quote: "Apple will probably shut the door on the usage of [unauthorized third-party Lightning cables] in a future update."

      It is you that has the reading/comprehension problem. From the first paragraph of the article:

      In a move possibly triggered by stories of deadly electrical shocks coming from Apple iPhone and Apple iPad units, the Cupertino based tech giant is blocking the use of unauthorized third party Lightning cables with iOS 7.

      See that: "is blocking"?. Not probably.
      Where you quote "probably", you have taken that sentence out of context. Let's put it back in:

      There is word going around that some unauthorized cables with cracked chips have been working with iOS 7. Apple will probably shut the door on the usage of the latter in a future update.

      "the latter" clearly refers to "some unauthorized cables with cracked chips".

      You take the warning "may not work reliably" and extrapolate this to mean: "will probably work". According to this page you cannot actually dismiss the dialog and get the cable to work. Users actually report that cables that used to work with beta releases of IOS7 do not work with the the production release of IOS7. Of course it is possible that with millions of cables in use, some just happened to fail between IOS7 beta and IOS production releases, nevertheless, your claims are not supported by any reports.

      So, get off the Apple fanboi train and learn to read.

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    2. Re:God f-ing DAMMIT Slashdot, really? by sweatyboatman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You're adding emphasis wrong. And you completely misquoted the article!

      First of all, the first sentence of the article says unambiguously:

      [Apple] is blocking the use of unauthorized third party Lightning cables with iOS 7

      Your quote comes from a couple lines down:

      There is word going around that some unauthorized cables with cracked chips have been working with iOS 7. Apple will probably shut the door on the usage of the latter in a future update.

      OK, inappropriate use of the phrase "the latter" but in context it's pretty clear. TFA says that Apple is currently blocking "unauthorized" cables, but despite this some unauthorized cables with "cracked chips" may still be working. Of course, since iOS 7 is blocking unauthorized cables it stands to reason that Apply will try to disable unauthorized cables that use "cracked chips".

      Whether they will be able to do so is kinda irrelevant to the main thrust here which is that Apple used an operating system upgrade to lock out third party cable makers. Wont someone think of the poor airline stewardesses!

      IMHO, this news is just piling on considering the fact that your iPhone uses a custom adapter that is incompatible with all other phones, costs 5 times as much as it should, and will be forced into obsolescence after a few generations.

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  33. I love /. comments by m0s3m8n · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I love reading all the pissing and moaning comments. Last time I looked Apple was number one in customer satisfaction.

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  34. Re:To be fair by Strudelkugel · · Score: 2

    Because the phone manufacturers who use standard usb connectors are having so much trouble...

    Not just phones! My sports watch, camera, Bluetooth headset all charge with USB cables. The same cables attached to any number of different chargers. So what stands out as being a PITA ? All of the Apple devices. I have an adapter for my proprietary Apple 30 pin to Lightning adapter, bought for $3 on eBay. Apple equivalent? $29. My $3 device worked fine until I upgraded to iOS7... Apple is turning into Countrywide Finance under Cook.

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  35. Re:Load of crock by AK+Marc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The only contract law required by a "free market" is laws preventing you from giving up your rights.

    The reason the Free Market never works is that it requires rational actors with enlightened self interests. The average consumer (and most companies) do not meet that definition, so we can't, by definition, ever have a Free Market.

  36. Yet another reason never to buy Apple. by duke_cheetah2003 · · Score: 2

    Subject says it all. Vote with your wallet and don't buy this stuff.

    You couldn't PAY ME to use anything Apple makes.

  37. Best comment of the day by rueger · · Score: 2
    From below TFA:

    it is a serious case if a charger for such a popular product is to cause death. But seriously, I have been using 3rd party cables for ALL my phones I have ever used, and there have been no problem. How come it happens to Apple?

    I have to ask the same thing - is there something seriously wrong and dangerous about Apple products??

  38. Re:Load of crock by myowntrueself · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is one of those problem the free market is meant to solve by itself - people are meant to stop buying iphones in response. Me, I'm perfectly happy with my Samsung Galaxy.

    Is free market supposed to solve the problem of antibiotic development? Note; its a lot better for the pharmacy companies to develop new medications for chronic conditions, very very profitable. Antibiotics are very unprofitable for them. Because of this there haven't been major developments in antibiotics since the '80s.

    Since antibiotics have saved countless lives, our modern world is barely imaginable without them, failure to continue developing them is one of the biggest failures of the free market and potentially devastating for the development of the human race.

    free market fails.

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  39. Re:Load of crock by Nebulo · · Score: 2

    Get a USB extension cable, duh.

    nebulo

  40. Re:Load of crock by omglolbah · · Score: 2

    And sadly most of the time the only people who profit from class-action suits are the lawyers involved...

  41. Re:Load of crock by rwven · · Score: 2

    That's a delusional point of view... Apple is forcing users to buy cables at an artificially increased price. This is price fixing/gouging at its finest. There isn't/wasn't anything wrong with the cables the users we using. The manufacturers just didn't pay an apple tax which creates a more expensive product that functions absolutely no better than the cheaper "unauthorized" alternative.

    This is anti-competitive and anti-consumer. It's another reason on the pile for while I quit buying apple products, and will continue to avoid them.

  42. Re:FUD article by BronsCon · · Score: 3, Informative

    People are being electrocuted by cheaper malfunctioning CHARGERS. The cable will happily transmit whatever voltage and current you ask it to, regardless of whether or not it's able to authenticate itself to the phone beforehand.

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  43. Old ipod Shuffle cable... by Mistakill · · Score: 2

    Years ago i owned a 1GB iPod Shuffle... here in New Zealand it cost $75 (not too bad i thought).

    Somehow the plug which goes into the audio plug on the Shuffle to charge it, broke... so i looked at replacement chargers... $60 from Apple (yes the player with charger was $75)

    heres a picture of the charger if anyone isnt sure what i meant http://i.imgur.com/n8QEUwJ.jpg

  44. Re:Load of crock by fredprado · · Score: 2

    Oh and there have been many major antibiotics developments since the 80's, just a lot less that would be necessary to keep with the building resistance. One of the main problems is the increasingly costly and time consuming processes for approval of such drugs. Currently there are 9 major antibiotics waiting for FDA approval, but the chances of them being approved before 2020 are almost zero. By then they will be insufficient to deal with the increasing resistance of bacteria.

    So again I must point you that the major cause of the problem is not the free market, but as usual, the government.

  45. Re:To be fair by Chrontius · · Score: 2

    If you've got a sufficiently new TV.

  46. Re:Magnuson-Moss by msauve · · Score: 2
    "Magnuson-Moss is related to warranties. It says that car-makers can't rescind your warranty if you used after-market parts on your car unless they could prove that these parts caused the problem which the warranty should have covered. "

    It says no such thing. What the MMWA actually says is

    No warrantor of a consumer product may condition his written or implied warranty of such product on the consumer's using, in connection with such product, any article or service (other than article or service provided without charge under the terms of the warranty) which is identified by brand, trade, or corporate name;

    "So if I attached a super-charger to the engine and later had issues with the pistons, it was up to the car-maker to prove that the super-charger is what caused the problem with the pistons."

    Poor example, because it's not true. A manufacturer can make have a "no modifications" clause in a warranty. Many do. So if you add a supercharger, and the engine blows up, you're on your own. And if the engine did come with a supercharger, the manufacturer can indeed condition the warranty on only using their supercharger, provided a failed supercharger would be replaced without charge under the warranty. If a manufacturer wants to write a warranty which says warranty coverage of your engine ends if you hang fuzzy dice from your mirror, they can - they just have to write the terms clearly.

    Regarding your claim that "they have to prove," meh. Good luck with that. They'll honor a claim or they won't. If they don't, then you will have to sue them and you will have to prove your case. And, since they're the experts on their product, if they say some aftermarket part you added caused damage, the court's gonna give their word more weight, so you'd better have a slew of expensive expert witnesses on your side.

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