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Teaching Fractions: The Tootsie Roll Is the New Pie
theodp writes "Following up on a WSJ story, data visualization author Stephen Few illustrates why using lines or bars may be sweeter than pie when it comes to teaching kids fractions. 'Although the metaphor is easy to grasp (the slices add up to an entire pie),' explains Few, 'we know that visual perception does a poor job of comparing the sizes of slices, which is essential for learning to compare fractions. Learning that one-fifth is larger than one-sixth, which is counter-intuitive in the beginning, becomes further complicated when the individual slices of two pies — one divided into five slices and other into six — look roughly the same. Might it make more sense to use two lines divided into sections instead, which are quite easy to compare when placed near one another?' So, is the Tootsie Roll the new pie?"
What the fuck is a tootsie roll?
They need to use both.
The pie chart is counter intuitive? Anyone who has ever fought over pizza slices knows very well that 1/5 is larger than 1/6, even kids.
Here's a simple classroom script to teach kids about fractions:
1) Buy 2 pizzas, slice one in 8 pieces, the other in 12 pieces.
2) Take 20 students in the classroom and tell them to choose a piece from any of the pizzas.
3) Watch as war ensues
So one method is probably a small fraction better than another method of teaching fractions. This isn't how you enhance the next generation's education. This is how you make it look like you're doing something to help when you're actually just raising a fuss over the tiniest of things. This is the plastic banana slicer of education: an answer to a question nobody asked.
... and somebody read a school textbook.
Seriously. Textbooks have used multiple representations of fractions for years, one of which is linear, because the education research has indicated that different children learn better with different representations of fractions.
Well, at least we now know how long it takes for education research to trickle into the classroom: decades.
http://twinbeard.com/frog-fractions
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This is a solution looking for a problem. But, more so, this solution makes the problem much worse. The pictured Tootsie roll, appears to be a square turd, with lines all over it. Though the lines don't align both sets of divisions indicate the same number of segments. It makes no sense to me, with regards to fractions, and I'd like to think that after mastering probability and statistics that I have a reasonable grasp on fractions.
What is the tootsie roll supposed to represent? The pie in the same picture clearly indicates a single slice out of nine.
The comments on the site (as of this time) give some pretty good reasons why using slices of a circle aren't the best way to describe fractions. Most of the time it is easier for the mind to tell if two lengths are the same versus if two slices of a circle are the same. It is a much simpler calculation to determine length (line) then volume (pie piece).
of that Kit Kat Bar.
Hasn't Michelle Obama already banned pies and Tootsie Rolls?
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The new curriculum has math teachers slicing lemon merengue pie in class instead of teaching fractions.
any candy bar that has natural sections would work for fractions
Kit Kats would work for 2 and 4 based fractions
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There's 9 sections. What happens when you want to teach 1/4s, 1/2s, 16ths ?
That's why I think a bottle of Scotch is the new pie!
Now children, let me drink two shots, what fraction of the bottle did I just drink?
Now children, assume what's left is the whole and I drink another three shots, what fraction is left?
Now children, write a 1,000 word essay on why whiskey is the best math tutor whle I take a little snap.
Now Tootsie can sell a bunch of new lengths: halves, thirds, quarters, fifths, sixths, etc. Schools would just need to go out and buy a few bags.
For adults learning fractions, they could use alcohol instead, but they'd just have one fraction: fifths.
Between the numerator and the denominator.
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Students will need to learn about fraction, true...
However, there is little to no need for fraction in the real world, with one exception. The US. Due to the antiquated mesurement system, you have to know fractions, else you are doomed...
However, in the rest of the world, fraction do not have a lot of use and their teaching can be pushed later in the cursus when we this learning is easier and has less need to rely on visualisation...
Cyrille
How would one go about converting a Flash game like this to HTML5?
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"Mom! Mom!!! Mr. Johnson tried to get me to touch his Tootsie Roll! He told me I just hadda touch the last third of it!"
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It's much easier to get the concept of a whole with an entire Hershey bar than with an arbitrary number of Tootsie Rolls.
If you're only going to use lines (and not pies) just use a damn tape measure. Seriously. I still have trouble reading a tape measure. I'm awesome at reading pie-charts though! Maybe if I were taught fractions with a tape measure I wouldn't have so much trouble with it now.
If you want a divisible bar, the best food for dividing into fractions is sushi rolls.
I completely Agree... I've actually had a few public disagreements with Stephen Few (on his blog - Hi Stephen) about his love of bar charts.
He's absolutely right, technically, on the visual perception -- that it's easier to compare lengths to basically anything else (like pie slices), particularly shapes that vary in more than one dimension (is a 5x5 rectangle bigger than a 6x4? If you know the dimensions you can do the math, but if you look at the boxes it's not as easy).
BUT, where I disagree (and I seem to agree with parent AC) is that people get tired of bar charts. Kids, in particular, have amazingly short attention spans, and as any teacher knows, engaging a child in a learning experience is very important, and different students will learn different ways. Your example of buying pizzas for a class is a classic example (although war is not the standard goal). Cutting a long subway sandwich or tootsie roll may not have the same effect. In fact, it's possible that the measurements Stephen Few relies on to measure visual perception could change if we took the time early on not to cater only to what our students are already good at, but to exercise spatial considerations that could improve.
Pie charts have their place, if only to break up the monotony. Certainly we should teach kids ratios based on bars, lines, squares, and other things as well -- for the most part we already do -- but we should not say that any one way is the best, even if there's one measurement that "proves" it, at the expense of variety.
From now I'll try this way to teach fractions, let see that this evening on a 9yo.
(a child who doesn't understand why a fraction is smaller with higher numbers)
Math was taught and learned just fine for over 2000 years. Pretty damn arrogant to come along in the last 50 and think we know how to teach children math in a better manner than they've learned math all along. Pick your slogan, acronym, whatever. KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid), If it ain't broke, don't fix it... Nothing wrong with the way math has been taught all along. I have 4 kids that have all gone through Algebra in the last few years, and I had to go out and buy them Lego sets to learn Algebra. A true WTF moment for me. We didn't get Legos in school and still learned Algebra just fine. When they learned addition, subtraction, multiplication and division I'd help them with their homework only to hear "that's not how we do it" "our teacher taught us a different way" and we'd wind up taking 15 steps to solve a problem that should be done in 2 or 3. When people get paid to come up with "new and better" ways to do things, they have to come up with something or wind up losing that steady government paycheck. Doesn't matter that it's a worse solution than what's already in place, just that it's different.
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Ok; Take a 1/3 pie slice. Enlarge it by 50%. It is still a 1/3 pie slice, in value and visually.
Now; Take a 1/3 line slice. Enlarge it by 50%. It is no longer a 1/3 line slice in visual, but still in value.
Pie pieces include both the value and the master unit in their visual.
And finally, it's a good precursor to learning about degrees and radians.
How would one go about converting a Flash game like this to HTML5?
First, you learn HTML2 (or 3, or 4, doesn't much matter). Then you learn CSS. Then, you learn Javascript. Then, you learn HTML5. Then, you learn Flash. Then, you learn ActionScript. And finally - You break into TwinBeard HQ, steal the source code to Frog Fractions, and begin the long process of porting it.
After all that, though, you probably already have a pretty good grasp of fractions.
This is just the latest episode in Stephen Few's war on pie charts. For anyone interested: http://www.perceptualedge.com/blog/?p=1492 http://www.perceptualedge.com/articles/08-21-07.pdf
Because I had it drilled into me as a kid. Now I sort of unconsciously can do most fractions.
Show them 1" on a ruler. Show them 1/4" increments. It's real easy to see 4 of those make up 1". Next show them 1/8" increments and 1/16" increment. They see pretty quickly how 16 can fit but the marks are smaller even though the number is bigger.
Now they've just learned how to read the crazy US Inch-standard system as well. Pretty handy for growing up in a slack-jawed yokel country who's politicians never let teachers adopt the metric system, but I digress...
Extra credit: show them a meter stick and listen to the gasp at how easy everything is because every little mark takes 10 units to get to the next larger unit of measure.
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I remember those questions: I always wanted the pizza cut into 6ths as I didn't think I could eat 10 slices.
Now there's an advertisement for a post-secondary education.
The linear idea is good for comparison side by side, but if you have a tootsie roll which is 5" long and one that is 6" long, which one is a whole tootsie roll, which one is 5/6 of a tootsie roll, and which one is 6/5 of a tootsie roll. Even if you show the individual pieces, you can't tell. With a pie, there's never any question as to whether you have more or less than a whole pie.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
No, no, no, it should be the Tautsie Roll that replaces pie.
This isn't a problem that needs solving. I never needed a teacher or diagram to explain to me that a half of something is larger than a quarter; that's effing obvious. "Learning that one-fifth is larger than one-sixth, which is counter-intuitive in the beginning"? WHAT? And even so, this article's point is moot, since visual representations other than pies have been around for many years. Containers of liquid, pieces of chocolate bar, etc.
The only things I needed to learn about fractions were the tricks for adding/subtracting/multiplying/dividing them. And a bigger problem is that teachers nowadays focus more on teaching the procedures than the concepts. Kids may know "you cross out a number on the top and a number on the bottom when multiplying fractions" but they don't understand WHY.
Maybe I'm just crazy, but I think "Fractions" are a stupid concept in the first place and are very arbitrary. The way it's taught seems to create an arbitrary distinction between plain old division and this somewhat confounding other entity "The Fraction". A fraction is just an un-evaluated piece of an equation that we leave alone for convenience sake (because 1/6 is easier to work with than 0.1666666...)
Now is that the best way to teach kids? Hell if I know, all I know is that at some point in my college maths I stopped seeing fractions and just saw mathematical operations and it all got a lot easier for me.
tau is the new pi
The number line is used a lot too, and they look mighty similar to the fraction line. I could see it confusing some kids. Especially as the curriculum likes so much to teach key word vocabularies and associate particular visualizations with particular concepts in such an inflexible manner
My biggest complaint with math education is that the schools seem so inflexible in it. My 6th grader is doing OK with math so he's in the "7th grade" math class. Along with, as it turns out, most of the rest of the 6th grade students. If he had done better he would be promoted to the 8th grade class.
Basically I think they just renamed 6th grade math to call it 7th grade math probably to appease parents, and the whole "early promotion to 8th grade math" would seem to raise questions over whether the 7th grade curriculum is all that worthwhile anyway, and wouldn't this bright kid be learning at a higher rate than the average 8th grader
it's just all wrong, yet these are the only options they will consider, its as if the math teachers are unfamiliar with math or at least uncomfortable splitting the class into three or four groups and teaching each group at its own pace for each major topic
Nullius in verba
No, really old. My grandmother used to break apart chocolate bars to teach fractions to her 2nd or 3rd grade classes back in the 50's and 60's.
Now some self-proclaimed genius has figured out what Tufte has been saying forever: that pie charts suck?
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This is how I learned math in the first grade, and is very much visual in how fractions work.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuisenaire_rods
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Montessori schools have known this since, well, forever. Glad public education research is finally catching up!
Basically the Tootsie Roll concept spoken of has been in use for decades, this ain't new.
Laughter is the Spackle of the Soul.
A pie is a lot better for teaching fractions because it is apparent that the piece of pie is only a portion of the whole.
If I show you a quarter of a piece of pie, you could tell me how many pieces there were if they were even.
If I show you one inch of tootsie roll, what fraction is it?
As for the "it is hard to tell what is bigger, 1/5 or 1/6" that is just so much BS.
You don't use fifths and sixths for this, demonstrate it with halves, thirds and quarters.
It is pretty damn obvious.
The demonstration loses its effectiveness as you cut the pie into more pieces, but so does the tootsie roll analogy.
If I cut a 6 inch tootsie roll in 24 even pieces and one into 25 even pieces, could you see the difference (less than 2/1000 of an inch)?
I sure hope this was a joke, because if they are taking themselves seriously, they are seriously stupid.
Tootsie Rolls, are frankly, one of the worst tasting candies out there. Why not use the SweeTart analogy?
Take two tootsie rolls and stretch one of them out so it is longer and skinnier. Then take the longer roll and divide it into six pieces. Cut the unstretched soll into five pieces. Now try to convinve a child that is trying to understand fractions that the entire rolls are equal.
http://www.elementarymatters.com/2012/05/learning-math-facts-with-cuisenaire.html
I had these in the early 1960s (JFK presidency) at the http://www.lesleyellis.org/about/who-we-are/history which at the time was off concord street in Cambridge
show them the math.
Worked well with my kids and every other kid I showed it to.
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What they don't realize is that using pies and pizzas to teach fractions is secretly preparing kids for trigonometry. Except that the whole pizza is actually 2 pi, rather than a pi.
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Surely getting the kids high and drunk isn't going to help their education.
This is why Montessori schools have ALWAYS used "number rods" to teach intuitions for numbers and fractions. If schools had followed Montessori 50 years ago this would not have ever been an issue.
A different paraphrase, but this one's often attributed (though many such attributions to him are questionable) to Yogi Berra.
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Glad I made that rational.dll for using fractions on computers. I call 'em rat for short (like int for integer.)