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Nokia Introduces Windows Tablet
jones_supa sends this news from The Verge:
"Rumored for a long time, Nokia's Windows tablet has finally been released. Microsoft might be buying Nokia's device business, but for the next few months they're going to be battling it out as competitors for Windows-based tablet market share. The new Lumia 2520 tablet is everything you'd expect from Nokia; it comes with a very bright and colorful full HD 10.1" display and it looks just like a supersized version of a Lumia series Windows Phone. Other Nokia signatures are a high-quality camera and maps which work reliably offline too. Inside there's a 2.2GHz quad-core Snapdragon 800 processor, and the word is that Windows RT 8.1 runs great. It's responsive and multitasking apps seems just as good as the Surface 2. Because this is Windows RT you also get access to the desktop Office apps as part of this device. At that point the real Surface-like keyboard and trackpad become useful, alongside two USB ports. Estimated battery life is of 11 hours, which is increased when the cover is attached."
Cue the "I hate Windows 8", "I want my Start menu although I claim to prefer the command line", and "Everything Microsoft is by definition bad" crybabies in 3... 2... 1...
Battling it out for the 3 people who want one of these.
Sounds great, looks great, but the price is the most important piece of information here and I don't see it. If it's as affordable as a Nexus 7, it's quite interesting. Priced at parity with ipad like Surface? Not nearly as interesting. Anyone know what the price is?
Do you not know that the Nokia mobile division is being purchased by Microsoft? The answer to your wonder is most definitely "never" at this point.
iPad is the one to beat, this does not do it.
Do you not keep up with current events. the iPad is the looser tablet. Its market share has plummeted from 60% of sales last year to 32% http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS24253413 . Ironically Microsoft could have been in this position if...well lots of ifs really... not trying to be Apple would have been one of them. Perhaps you should Google sometime...you can get it even on the iPad ;)
The iPad put the tablet concept in people's minds.
The vast array of Android tablets put tablets affordably and usefully into people's hands.
What is a Windows tablet going to do?
I mean, other than sit on a shelf collecting dust, as another "also-ran" that nobody knows or cares about?
The irony is not lost on me of accessing a website *designed* for tablets. I actually like the verge, but its front page is painful on a real computer, as is the stupid *click* *click* *click* of a slideshow. Can programmers really not manage to present two different ways of presenting information.
It's packing LTE, and a 2.2GHz Snapdragon 800 CPU inside, with a bright 650nit screen made out of Gorilla Glass 2. A 6.7MP rear camera featuring Zeiss optics and a 2MP front facing camera. 800mAh battery go from drained to 50 percent charge in just 40 minutes. The Nokia Power Keyboard accessory extra $149, and promises an extra five hours of battery life plus two extra USB ports.
Its not really the best article when it cuts out all the information!!!!!! The fact is is 3 times as expensive as new Nexus 7 with a less desirable OS. Other than it being fun(or depressing) to kick what is left of Nokia. I am not sure of the relevance. I cant help finding it extra ironic(or again depressing) that Windows Phone limited success has been at undercutting Android in its traditional counties.
Elop didn't want them to be a "me too" company with rising star platform Android. Instead he's turned them into a "me too" company hitched to the falling star of Windows. Excellent work.
I really like the look of this device and the recent Nokia phones I've held and used have a very nice build quality. If this wasn't Windows RT I would definitely consider purchasing it. With the new Bay Trail Atom chips there's very little reason in my eyes to offer RT if I can have x86 Windows and 8+ hours of battery life and there are devices coming to market soon that will offer just that and every generation of chip's will extend that further.
Besides power consumption, app store lockdown and not wanting to alienate first gen customers, what reasons are there not to just cut your losses with RT?
But yet the ipad makes up more than 80% of online tablet traffic.
Hmm
Sales in China of the iPhone are 1%...one analytics's company places the iPhone at 20%; everybody laughed . You need to back up your figures say when they have been taken...the iPad plummeted in a year, and show how the information was collected.
Again through that does not equate to sales, its a interesting topic. Linux is 100% Market share ;) (in my house)
We have a USELESS tablet, with locked down hardware. We have a miserable selection of apps, including a YouTube app which is nothing more than an HTML5 webpage. We have a high price, $400-$500 minimum. And we have a company that will not be making any further versions of this machine, also bringing into question their ability to even support the poor fools who buy one! Utterly useless waste of time and money for Nokia!
ubuntu phone is basicly just android with an ubuntu skin.
"1% china share. "
You need to back up your numbers.
http://www.counterpointresearch.com/9-out-of-10-handsets-sold-in-china-are-smartphones "15% Samsung, 11% Lenovo, 11% Coolpad (Yulong), 7% ZTE, 6% Huawei, 3% Nokia and 1% Apple. 45% of China's market is split by the approx 1,000 local domestic brands that almost all do Android."
As I said Kantars numbers put Apple at 21% but then they only measure 'Úrban China'...this is not the first time Kantar Numbers have been lets say surprising ;)
Tomi does a good writeup of marketshare movements, and includes information from the 4 main market research groups in this area. I mainly use IDC because they show trends in nice graphs,but there is rarely anything between them.
I'm pretty sure none of the factory line-workers can afford an iPhone just based on the release schedule compared to their maximal salary savings.
...so the purchase cost is irrelevant - these things will be subsisdised heavily on 24 month contracts all over the world, so now you can get a Windows Laptop with Office FOR FREE. The OS in 8.1 guise really isn't so bad and the third-party apps are improving all the time. This one will do well, both for Nokia and the MS ARM port. I'm already sold on W8 (just got my Surface Pro 2 today) I'd never go for an MS ARM tablet, but this Nokia? I'm tempted.
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Rumor has it that as soon as Microsoft completes it acquisition of Nokia's mobile division they will be coming out with an Ubuntu Edge phone. Batteries? Not needed, it will simply convert ambient zero point energy into electricity using a quantum black hole.
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Wouldn't it be more appropriate to compare it with a Nexus 10 at $499 than with a 7" tablet? I have a Nexus 7 and I like it fine but it's not a 10" tablet (Also have a Xoom) by any stretch.
...No because the 7" tablet market and the 10" tablet market are still the tablet market. Android failed to destroy the iPad now with similar priced large products. In fact Android looked at joke. Googels Nexus 7 and Amazons Fire both proved that smaller cheaper...but still powerful tablets would humble the mighty iPad. All the size and price is doing is making the same early mistakes as Android, only with a worse product, at an even higher price, with even more competition at the larger end of the tablet market.
You really think anybody cares about that overflow of cheap Chinese Android tablets. Get a clue.
Ironically the iPad is famously a cheap tablet with an expensive price. Its their entire business model, they are the largest company by "market cap" because of this (more to do with market manipulation nowadays but still) They famously make the iPad in foxconn the company with worker riots and suicide nets. They even laughed at the president for suggesting they make them in America...Motorola and Samsung both manufacture in America.
Is that large enough of a clue ;)
Well I can only speak for myself, but for me those sizes solve two very different issues
Whoa there cowboy, before you launch into another female circumcision analogy, can I say I really don't give a monkeys. The reality is even if you pretend there are two markets...you are only arguing that Microsoft are launching a expensive product in a *smaller* market. I don't think you really understand your own points. The bottom line is screen size is simply another metric in its specification, one ironically you point out can be a disadvantage.
Although as I said overpriced in the larger tablet market, or overpriced in the smaller *cough* larger tablet market (Jesus). The results are the same.
I have a tablet I've mentioned many times, the Motorola Xoom it's also has a 10.1-inch display
as does the Nokia Lumia 2520. I feel that's the perfect size any larger and it wouldn't be a tablet,
any smaller is akin to using ones cell phone.
10.1-inch display puts me to sleep with netflix, youtube or a movie while it's in it's cradle.
The Kindle Fire 7 inch display is just too small for me.
Yep Nokia did the right thing at 10.1, WXGA (1280 x 800) for the Motorola Xoom, but the keyboard thingjust messes it up.
I use Hackers keyboard (software) https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.pocketworkstation.pckeyboard
or a bluetooth keyboard for mine They don't connect to each other but I carry them both around protected by an old laptop case, a real sharp combo.
My Keyboard is as small as one can be while still having full sized keys, it's seriously sweet (Dell MN-Y-RAQ-DEL2 - Goodwill $5.00).
The Motorola Xoom hooks up to my HDTV (at 1920 x 1080 ) as I imagine does the Nokia Lumia 2520; a remote keyboard is very handy
using office / text editor at a distance and for so many other reasons.
I think *ALL* computers running walled garden OSs where execution must be approved by a single entity are offensively stupid.
Neither would I consider purchasing such an expensive device without a user replaceable battery. Batteries still suck and there is still enough variance during manufacturing and use it is still very much luck of the draw what you'll get.
There is no useful technical reason for locking down execution and planned obsolescence (dead battery = dead device) other than screwing over customers.
In this way I hate the new Nokia and Windows RT bullshit as much as I hate Apples ipad bullshit.
It really is quite a depressing situation... the hardware guys continue to kick ass while software guys seem to be spending all their time picking their noses, fiddling with UX and carefully apportioning value such that none dare be left on the table.
Nokia has actually released 6 new devices. Some phablets and some tablets.
http://bgr.com/2013/10/22/nokia-lumia-1520-lumia-2520-release-date/
... friend of mine just bought a new win 8 laptop and asked me to help him install linux on his old laptop.
I thought Android was GNU/Linux with a Google skin.
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just buy a real nokia.
and where have you been living, under a rock? they made N9 - essentially _the_ linux phone. then MS started it's hostile, illegally executed(not informing shareholders), takeover.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
Windows on mobile devices is dead too.
So, who cares?
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Just one case of the wrong word - instead of "looser tablet" it should read "looser suppository".
Oh wait - that's the Surface RT and not the iPad.
the takeover sale is complete?
Will Microsoft merge this line with the Surface line?
Are these things going to be orphaned?
No, it's Linux with an AOSP skin. There is no GNU in Android, nor should there be.
Nokia was in bed with MS in the early days of the N9.
The N9 is a painfully locked-down system, not a proper linux computer. Sure, they'll let you have have a root shell if you beg for it and pledge your first-born to them, but even when you've got it, you can't run "dmesg", as you don't have the POSIX capabilities necessary for that. Why's your WiFi flakey? We won't let you see the kernel log messages to find out - screw you!
There is a connection between those 2 paragraphs I'd love to explain, but I'm alas under NDA.
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Basically Microsoft and Nokia were ignored by the media in favor of Apple. Its kind of sad that Apple's refreshes totally erased any news about the Surface 2 or Nokia's tablet. Just proves how much of a hold Apple has on tech news media. But in all honesty, who can blame them? Apple is king and anything they do is going to spur interest and almost anything Microsoft does will not. I have to wonder if Microsoft is planning any kind of marketing campaign for the Surface 2. Or is just going through the motions.
Was I the only one who read that as "Nokia Introduces Windows Toilet"...
It's early but... I really wanted to leave a memory dump...
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For a phone, I don't need compatibility w/ my PC, but for a tablet, I probably would. Just wondering - what advantage would the Lumia 2520 have over a Microsoft Surface (not the Surface Pro)? Both ARM based, both Windows RT...
The other point - given that Microsoft is buying Nokia, why release this and have 2 competing product lines from the same company? What exactly is the market segmentation b/w the Surface & Lumia tablet?
I just did: "devel-su" => "rootme" => "dmesg | less" and it worked.
Ah, OK, devel-su hadn't reached a workable state when I was working on the device. This was a time when we wanted the kernel logs, as we were debugging everything. So if you wanna know why the software was so buggy, it's in part because the security prevented many of the developers from doing their work effectively!
/dev/{k,}mem?
Can you kexec from there? Examine
(That's a trick question, I hope, as I remember their removal, and don't think they were ever enabled again.)
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You know, the more I learn about the windows phone, the less I hate it. As much as I am not a fan of the windows 8 experience on the desktop, its not so bad in the mobile sector. Who would have ever though M$ would have a better privacy policy than iOS or Android
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