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Artificial Blood Made In Romania

First time accepted submitter calinduca writes "Artificial blood that could one day be used in humans without side effects has been created by scientists in Romania. The blood contains water and salts along with a protein known as hemerythrin which is extracted from sea worms. Researchers from Babe-Bolyai University in Cluj-Napoca, Romania, hope it could help end blood supply shortages and prevent infections through donations." Wikipedia's entry on hemerythrin explains its unusual oxygen binding mechanism.

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  1. Makes sense by Bohnanza · · Score: 5, Funny

    Transylvania is in Romania

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    1. Re:Makes sense by marcello_dl · · Score: 3, Funny

      Indeed, quality control issues: solved.

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    2. Re:Makes sense by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 2

      Yes but does the blood taste of chicken

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    3. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes but does the blood taste of chicken

      Alas, no. More like sea worm.

    4. Re:Makes sense by carlosap · · Score: 2

      trueblood

    5. Re:Makes sense by Frohboy · · Score: 1

      And Cluj specifically is in Transylvania

    6. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Tablets and computers in the classroom is a Trasnsylvanian conspiracy to reduce the amount of wooden pencils in schools everywhere. Now this.

    7. Re: Makes sense by Niterios · · Score: 1

      The vegan vampire community is growing. I heard they are working on vegan sunscreen too.

    8. Re:Makes sense by nhat11 · · Score: 1

      Predictable even before I came into this article =)

    9. Re:Makes sense by unixisc · · Score: 1

      I was about to say... shouldn't be difficult given that it's the home of the good Count

    10. Re:Makes sense by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Not just that. The research facility for this *is* in Transylvania.

    11. Re:Makes sense by RDW · · Score: 2

      Seaworm haem is people!!

    12. Re: Makes sense by ehiris · · Score: 3, Informative

      Haha, funny. I grew up in Romania and fried chicken blood was one of my favorite treats.

    13. Re: Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now it is.

    14. Re:Makes sense by Frojack123 · · Score: 1

      Yes but does the blood taste of chicken

      Alas, no. More like sea worm.

      And you would know this HOW?

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    15. Re: Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The vegan vampire community is growing. I heard they are working on vegan sunscreen too.

      Um, not so much. Worm blood, just guessing, is probably not vegan. Because worms are people too.

    16. Re: Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      vegan vampires only drink the blood of vegans?

    17. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Necessity is the mother of invention!

    18. Re:Makes sense by cusco · · Score: 1

      Actually Prince Vlad Dracul was from Wallachia. It was changed for the book as Transylvania sounded more mysterious, while Wallachia sounded like it could be a rural county somewhere in Cornwall.

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    19. Re:Makes sense by snakeplissken · · Score: 1

      I was about to say... shouldn't be difficult given that it's the home of the good Count

      dracula or duckula?

    20. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      chocula

    21. Re: Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course. Which self respecting vampire would feast on people who eats at the double meat palace.

    22. Re:Makes sense by riT-k0MA · · Score: 1

      TFA says the protein to make the artificial blood is extracted from Sea Worms. I certainly hope vampires acquire a taste for seafood...

    23. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cluj-Napoca is in Transilvania

    24. Re:Makes sense by unixisc · · Score: 1

      As far as the story goes, it's still valid, since Vlad the Impaler was from Romania - of which both Transylvania and Wallachia are parts. As far as the OP goes, it's off, but just slightly. Okay, Cluj is in Transylvania, not Wallachia, so that spoils the coincidence somewhat ;-)

    25. Re: Makes sense by kbx911 · · Score: 0

      How can anyone fry liquids? Or maybe the coagulated lumps of blood were batter fried. Still, yikes. Why is blood considered tasty in Romania, the Roma people originated in India right? They are called Banjaras here. But back to the blood issue, if blood is a delicacy in Romania then maybe its true q

    26. Re: Makes sense by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      Whats it taste like? Any recepies?

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    27. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, it is now... at least officially

  2. Let the Transylvanian jokes commence! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    heh. Romania, Dracula, Artificial blood, Halloween ... the late night talk show writers should have a field day with this one if it isn't some sort of elaborate ruse.

    1. Re:Let the Transylvanian jokes commence! by Jeng · · Score: 1

      It coming from the daily fail I had my doubts, so I followed a link from them to softpedia, that had a link to a Romanian news source, I don't know Romanian though to know if it is an Onion like site or not.

      http://www.descopera.ro/dnews/11576517-inventia-extraordinara-a-unui-cercetator-din-cluj-sangele-artificial-creat-cu-ajutorul-viermilor-marini-galerie-foto

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    2. Re:Let the Transylvanian jokes commence! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It coming from the daily fail I had my doubts, so I followed a link from them to softpedia, that had a link to a Romanian news source, I don't know Romanian though to know if it is an Onion like site or not.

      http://www.descopera.ro/dnews/11576517-inventia-extraordinara-a-unui-cercetator-din-cluj-sangele-artificial-creat-cu-ajutorul-viermilor-marini-galerie-foto

      Here are some links:

      http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Radu_Silaghi/publications/

      http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/world-our-backyard/2013/oct/31/romanian-scientists-create-artificial-blood/

    3. Re:Let the Transylvanian jokes commence! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know Romanian either, but from what I can understand as a Spanish-speaker it is a serious site. Serious in the "we're not joking" sense, though, not serious in the "scientific rigour" sense. I think "descopera" means "discover" or "discovery".

    4. Re:Let the Transylvanian jokes commence! by Jeng · · Score: 1

      Sometimes serious sites put up bullshit on holidays, but they usually put in some disclaimer. I would not be able to recognize a disclaimer in Romanian.

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    5. Re:Let the Transylvanian jokes commence! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It does look like a serious site, and there are no obvious disclaimers in this translation, which reads like a serious article. If it is a hoax, they went through a lot of effort (although the scientist pictured does look like he could be a convincing vampire). Also, it's from several days ago.

    6. Re:Let the Transylvanian jokes commence! by Jeng · · Score: 1

      There have been some interesting viral advertisements, but yea this looks legit.

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    7. Re:Let the Transylvanian jokes commence! by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      It probably says "dysklemir".

      Romanian is dyslexic Italian.

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    8. Re:Let the Transylvanian jokes commence! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I do read (and speak) Romanian. It's a legitimate discovery by a legitimate researcher at a legitimate medical school. Whether it's useful/commercializable or not remains to be seen. The article reads like a typical mass-media spin on a scientific discovery.

      The basic idea is that it's an aqueous mixture of salts with an iron-based protein extracted from a sea worm, which seems pretty close to real blood to me.

    9. Re:Let the Transylvanian jokes commence! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I vant to give you blood!

  3. Vlad's Synth Blood Bank, how many I help you? by themushroom · · Score: 4, Informative

    I just used my last karma point on the pen-testing post, but I was thinking similarly.

  4. 9 out of 10 vampires prefer real blood though by JoeyRox · · Score: 4, Funny

    But the fake stuff will do in a pinch.

    1. Re:9 out of 10 vampires prefer real blood though by JeanCroix · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yep. You think the anti-GM food hippies are bad, just wait til the anti-artificial blood vampires get their protests going...

    2. Re:9 out of 10 vampires prefer real blood though by Frojack123 · · Score: 2

      This might actually be a solution for the crazy Jehovah's Witnesses in the US that will watch their injured child die rather than allow a transfusion.
      (Although I hate to see good science enabling bad religion.)

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    3. Re:9 out of 10 vampires prefer real blood though by oreiasecaman · · Score: 1

      Hey, but Bad Religion actually endorses science! The vocalist even have a PhD IIRC... :)

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    4. Re:9 out of 10 vampires prefer real blood though by geekoid · · Score: 1

      If we can get science to mitigate the ill effects of a religion, then it's a good thing.
      Of course, it's about control, so they will likely come up with some excuse not to use this.

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    5. Re:9 out of 10 vampires prefer real blood though by Xyrus · · Score: 1

      Can't be any worse than clamato juice.

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    6. Re:9 out of 10 vampires prefer real blood though by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, it comes from animal blood (more or less), so they'll still kill their kid.

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  5. true blood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But will the vampires be satisfied with it, and leave our womens alone? /hate sparkley, sexy vampires. they used to be cool when they were fiends, before they went all goth.

    1. Re:true blood by MXB2001 · · Score: 0

      You want nasty vampires? Watch Being Human (either the British or Canadian version). The main character is a decent vampire but he's the exception to the rule. And well, he's not all that nice as you will see in the early episodes.

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  6. not flaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Would something like this be accepted by groups like Jehovah's Witness' that do not accept blood transfusions?

    1. Re:not flaming by HornWumpus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why should we care? Evolution in action.

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    2. Re:not flaming by SJHillman · · Score: 1

      From Wikipedia:

      "Watch Tower Society publications teach that the Witnesses' refusal of transfusions of whole blood or its four primary components—red cells, white cells, platelets and plasma—is a non-negotiable religious stand and that those who respect life as a gift from God do not try to sustain life by taking in blood,[4][5] even in an emergency.[6] Witnesses are taught that the use of fractions such as albumin, immunoglobulins and hemophiliac preparations are "not absolutely prohibited" and a matter of personal choice.[5]"

      It sounds like if you can call it blood, they won't take it. Doesn't matter where it's from. Of course, they could decide this is an exception because it's not "real" blood.

    3. Re:not flaming by Jeng · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Although I understand your sentiment, but many new surgical techniques have been made because of Jehovah witnesses refusal to accept blood transfusions. Many of these techniques end up being better than the one they replaced and therefor all of society gains benefits.

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    4. Re:not flaming by Jeng · · Score: 1

      Something like this would probably end up being classified something along the lines of a "hemophiliac preparations" which is a grey area.

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    5. Re:not flaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But it's made out of seashells. I'm sure there's a commandment about that. There ought to be.

      Science and medicine should not bend over backwards to facilitate the delusions of these people. For each stupid thing like "bloodless surgery" we miss a useful drug or cure. Save their kids by force and let the adults live and die by a code invented 3000 thousand years ago by cave dwellers and goat herders.

    6. Re:not flaming by quantumghost · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Would something like this be accepted by groups like Jehovah's Witness' that do not accept blood transfusions?

      That would be a good question. Having worked at a hospital that took over as the regional "bloodless center", I witnessed a wide variety of behaviors from JWs. Some were not very "orthodox" and would take blood, others only after consultation with their elder, others steadfastly refused. Apparently there is a lot of variation amongst individual "churches", but INAJW..

      I'll tell you, a "bloodless" liver transplant is not for the faint of heart. I've been involved with a few transplants that required > 100 units of packed red cells. Doing these with none.....that stressed our skills to the max. And before you think that liver transplants can and therefore should be done bloodless...not all of bloodless ones survived. This would be a nice breakthrough.

      It's interesting that this is still a cellular based concept, having to clone red cells and somehow transferring the hemerythrin. The linked article did not specify much detail.

    7. Re:not flaming by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      More for the rest of us i guess. Their choice.

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    8. Re:not flaming by mspohr · · Score: 2

      This Romanian compound appears to contain only salts and this protein from a sea worm. It should be considered to be no different than an ordinary IV solution from the J Witnesses' viewpoint. The hemerythrin protein would be similar to albumin (another protein).

      However, we are dealing with religious beliefs here where people can make up all kinds of crazy stuff so hard to predict.

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    9. Re:not flaming by dale.furno · · Score: 1

      Well, they are our peers and deserve respect.

    10. Re:not flaming by HornWumpus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I respect their choice to die rather then accept modern healthcare.

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    11. Re:not flaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No they don't. We respect what we admire. And people with silly beliefs that are harmful are not to be admired, just tolerated. And only as long as they are the only ones harmed.

    12. Re:not flaming by Baloroth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Artificial blood almost certainly wouldn't count, though, as it isn't technically blood at all: blood in the religious context of Jehovah's Witnesses refers to the stuff flowing through the veins of animals. Basically, if it was never the "life" of an animal it wouldn't count. Of course, I'm not a Jehovah's Witness nor an expert on their theology, so I couldn't say for sure (but I have read the biblical passage the doctrine comes from, and I would say it absolutely doesn't include fake blood in any way).

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    13. Re:not flaming by ApplePy · · Score: 1

      Seems likely. Give this artificial blood enough years to become widely used, and they'll have to find something else to complain about.

      Hopefully it will be something at least as useful.

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    14. Re:not flaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Many of these techniques end up being better than the one they replaced and therefor all of society gains benefits."

      That's like saying that from all the crack babies born in the 80s, some went ahead and became doctors and programmers, so crack can't be all bad. If you are wasting public resources to do these type of interventions, then only luck could turn them into something else than waste. They are of course free to do whatever they want on their bodies, with their own money.

    15. Re:not flaming by dale.furno · · Score: 0

      says AC

    16. Re:not flaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are not my peers, I'm forced by circumstance to share a society which includes them. I would gladly choose a country where religion is viewed as a form of psychological disorder that one cannot claim as basis for infringing on the rights of others.

    17. Re:not flaming by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Not going to address his point?

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    18. Re:not flaming by Amtrak · · Score: 2

      I'm not trying to cause a flamewar or anything but can someone explain to me why it would be "OK" to accept a new Liver but not Blood from a donor? I just don't see how getting cell type A from donor 1 is any different than getting cell type B. You are still violating "God's Gift of life" by taking cells from another.

      To be clear IANAJW

    19. Re:not flaming by compro01 · · Score: 1

      Bloodless surgery (or more properly, the use of techniques developed for bloodless surgery to do surgery with less blood) is useful. Even with good compatibility, transfusions still have side effects which you generally want to avoid and minimizing surgical blood use helps take some pressure off the blood supply and keep it available for stuff where blood is absolutely needed.

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    20. Re:not flaming by Jeng · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's like saying that from all the crack babies born in the 80s, some went ahead and became doctors and programmers, so crack can't be all bad.

      Actually it would be more along the lines of "War is hell, but at least we make healthcare advances because of it."

      If you are wasting public resources to do these type of interventions, then only luck could turn them into something else than waste.

      No, people who have trained their whole lives to save people don't come up with new lifesaving techniques due to "luck". And do you know if they are using public resources do do those type of interventions, or are you just making wild speculations in an attempt to bolster your case that there are no positives outcomes of bloodless surgery?

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    21. Re:not flaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is a flamebaity question, but: do you respect that they make that choice for their children?

    22. Re:not flaming by CODiNE · · Score: 4, Informative

      Accepting blood transfusions may not be selecting for the group you think it is.

      If you dig around the references here Bloodless Surgery you'll see a small portion of the studies which have shown the benefits of avoiding blood transfusions.

      A scientifically minded person would applaud advances in synthetic blood and bloodless surgery, not get hung up on one sub-group of the people it benefits.

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    23. Re:not flaming by dale.furno · · Score: 0

      There was no point.

    24. Re:not flaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Respect is earned, not deserved.

    25. Re:not flaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      having to clone red cells

      Red cells have no nucleus, how do you "clone" them?

      Grow them from stem cells, perhaps.

    26. Re:not flaming by eulernet · · Score: 4, Informative

      Citation needed !

      To my knowledge, the new surgical techniques were invented to reduce operation's side-effects (less invasive surgery, less anesthetics, less hospital recovery).
      It also reduces the cost of an operation.

      I found no relation with Jehovah witnesses, so I'm curious to listen where you heard about this ?

    27. Re:not flaming by Jeng · · Score: 1

      I might find your beliefs utterly silly and without merit, but I can respect that you have your beliefs and that you stick to your beliefs.

      It takes balls to go have surgery without the safety net of a blood transfusion, to not just tell the doctor "I'm not really all that religious, just save my life, whatever it takes."

      Now if someone is making that decision for a child, lock the fucker up.

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    28. Re:not flaming by jeffmflanagan · · Score: 1

      Says an AC who's absolutely right, and who you have no response to. People don't get respect by default. They have to earn it, and people who are so religious that they're harming themselves and their children have not earned respect, but rather a response ranging from derision to jail-time depending on how much harm they cause.

    29. Re:not flaming by HornWumpus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      WTF? Let me restate it for you: You don't need to respect morons, only tolerate them.

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    30. Re:not flaming by HornWumpus · · Score: 1, Funny

      I believe ether parent should be able to abort their children until the age of 18. They would call the school counselor and have the brat 'aborted'.

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    31. Re:not flaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's actually not a difference among various "churches". The same doctrine is taught but ultimately it's up to an individual to make these decisions. So, the variation is actually from person to person, not necessarily congregation to congregation.

    32. Re:not flaming by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I sincerely hope not. Give Darwin a chance!

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    33. Re:not flaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are you looking for logic here?

    34. Re:not flaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Fortunately, Jehovah's Witnesses never litigate to force their belief systems onto others, but they will make efforts to ensure they can live by their beliefs as much as the next guy, whether that is going to court for freedom of speech or work with hospitals and doctors to pursue medical alternatives to blood transfusion.

    35. Re:not flaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Here's a link after a casual search: http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/2013/07/12/july-12-2013-bloodless-surgeries/19167/

      There is a lot more research from more scholarly sources but if you'd like to look into it more I'm sure this will take you down the rabbit hole.

    36. Re:not flaming by Jeng · · Score: 0

      I honestly forgot where I read it first, but here is the Wiki on bloodless surgery which credits jehovah witnesses as one of the driving forces for it.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodless_surgery

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    37. Re:not flaming by Ol+Biscuitbarrel · · Score: 2

      Citation needed !

      To my knowledge, the new surgical techniques were invented to reduce operation's side-effects (less invasive surgery, less anesthetics, less hospital recovery).
      It also reduces the cost of an operation.

      I found no relation with Jehovah witnesses, so I'm curious to listen where you heard about this ?

      I read about it in Awake!

    38. Re:not flaming by Jeng · · Score: 1

      I do not think that doctors should take into consideration the religious preference of a parent when treating a child. Once that kid hits 18, fine then the new adult can make their own decisions, before then you go with the most medically sound option.

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    39. Re:not flaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's more like "if it comes from blood and still resembles it in any major way, they won't take it". Where it's from is absolutely a concern. If it's really blood or derived from it, it's pretty much off the table. If it's a synthetic approximation that will keep you alive until your body can recover, then it's not a problem.

      This stuff is is a collection of water, salt, chemicals and hemerythrin. It's not blood. It merely functions in a capacity that is similar to blood (it carries oxygen molecules via a mechanism in a liquid suspension). It probably falls into the "non-blood volume expander" category, even though it has properties beyond simple volume expansion. The only question is whether the hemerythrin comes from the blood of those sea worms, or if it's farmed from some other part of the sea worm. There are bacteria that produce hemerythrin as well, and use it as a sort of a solid-state lung. That would be an acceptable source, as there's no prohibition on eating/ingesting/injecting lung tissue, just blood.

      A couple of years ago, there was an article posted here that talked about synthetic hemoglobin. That likely would be an acceptable source, since it's not actual blood taken from something living.

      Speaking as a Jehovah's Witness, I'd certainly be interested in finding out more about this, and I probably wouldn't have any objection to it in any way. It is, as we say, "a conscience matter", or as your quote from Wikipedia says, "a matter of personal choice". Some people are more worried about crossing the line than others, but the main reason for a prohibition on the use of blood is to give respect to the life of the animal it came from and to the one who created that animal (who specifically requested that we not use the animals' blood). I personally do not see a problem accepting synthetically created chemical compounds, since it was never part of a living creature and there's no biblical requirement to give respect to a chemical factory.

    40. Re:not flaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is really exciting but it really depends on if the artificial blood contains any whole blood fractions and the Christian's individual conscience.
      If the artificial blood is merely a blood-like substance that contains just water, salt and some random protein then yeah we might be able to accept it.
      I can't really tell you definitively without more information though but I can tell you that we do not accept whole blood or its primary components; plasma, red blood cells, white blood cells and platelets, but it is up to the individual Christian's conscience if they want to accept certain fractions.

      I can't speak for other groups that may hold a similar belief in the prohibition of blood though and their basis may be completely different then the scriptural basis of ours (Deuteronomy 12:23, Deuteronomy 15:23 and Acts 15:20 to name a couple).

      If you'd like a more detailed explanation you can look here and here.

      Thanks for asking.

    41. Re:not flaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In the Hebrew Scriptures (the "old testament"), God's requirement was to, out of respect for taking the life of an animal and out of respect for the request of the animal's creator, the blood be poured out rather than put to use.

      In the Greek Scriptures (the "new testament"), the holy spirit guided the apostles to continue the prohibition on blood. They put it on the same level as fornication and idolatry, which makes it quite a serious matter.

      Biologically, it doesn't matter whether it's tissue-A or tissue-B, but since blood is especially singled out by these biblical commandments, we treat it differently. We don't eat it, we don't ingest it, we don't inject it. We "pour it out" so to speak; we do not use it. It's not about what's good for us, or what's useful, or what's handy to have. It's about following the instructions we're given. Personally, I have a bit of a rebellious streak in me. I challenge authority often. I try not to let it get me into too much trouble. But with Jehovah, I recognize his authority as absolute, and I do not challenge it. When he says "abstain from blood", I do so willingly. That's not to say it's blind acceptance, I still like to know why, but I don't challenge that instruction.

      And, yes, IAAJW.

    42. Re:not flaming by bjwest · · Score: 1

      I found no relation with Jehovah witnesses, so I'm curious to listen where you heard about this ?

      He's a Jehovah Witness. He stuck his head in a box and it came to him.

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    43. Re:not flaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personally I draw the tolerance line at when they start hurting other people. Denying a transfusion to a child who needs it is child abuse.

    44. Re:not flaming by eulernet · · Score: 1

      Thanks ! That was an interesting link, why didn't you mention it in your post ?

    45. Re:not flaming by Frojack123 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They are of course free to do whatever they want on their bodies, with their own money.

      Unfortunately, is most often the Children that are refused transfusions, and allowed to die for an otherwise
      survivable injury.

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    46. Re:not flaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's a Jehovah Witness. He stuck his head in a box and it came to him.

      I think you've confused them with Mormons, you soulless bastard.

    47. Re:not flaming by ttucker · · Score: 1

      Thanks ! That was an interesting link, why didn't you mention it in your post ?

      Get over yourself. Jeng is not your personal research assistant, and owes you nothing, citations included.

    48. Re:not flaming by ttucker · · Score: 1

      Citation needed !

      To my knowledge, the new surgical techniques were invented to reduce operation's side-effects (less invasive surgery, less anesthetics, less hospital recovery). It also reduces the cost of an operation.

      I found no relation with Jehovah witnesses, so I'm curious to listen where you heard about this ?

      I read about it in Awake!

      I actually LOLed.

    49. Re:not flaming by ttucker · · Score: 3, Funny

      He's a Jehovah Witness. He stuck his head in a box and it came to him.

      I think you've confused them with Mormons, you soulless bastard.

      No, the Mormon guy had magical glasses, dickhead.

    50. Re:not flaming by ttucker · · Score: 1

      I believe ether parent should be able to abort their children until the age of 18. They would call the school counselor and have the brat 'aborted'.

      You mean the 72nd trimester.

    51. Re:not flaming by ttucker · · Score: 1

      Tolerance can be demanded, but respect must be earned?

    52. Re:not flaming by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

      You're completely correct. All of our experimental/never-been-tried-before surgical procedures definitely should be tried on JW's first. If you end up running short, let me know. I have at least 2 a month ask to come in my house and I'd be happy to net them for ya.

    53. Re:not flaming by plover · · Score: 1

      What part of "extracted from sea-worms" leads you to the conclusion that "it was never part of a living creature"? A polychaete annelid doesn't exactly exude proteins like a cow gives milk or a spider spins silk -- someone has to harvest the worms, kill them, gut them, dry their exoskeletons out, grind them into a powder, and dissolve them in order to "extract" the proteins. Just because that takes place in a "chemical factory" doesn't alter their animal origin.

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    54. Re:not flaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and then what will you do when the parents abandon the kid because he has been defiled and raped by the abhorrent medical procedures and is now viewed as being a soulless shell?

      or what if someone took your child and said that they must submit to some medical procedure that you either view as risky and unnecessary or extremely invasive?

    55. Re:not flaming by bjwest · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I realized that just as I clicked the post button...

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    56. Re:not flaming by dale.furno · · Score: 0

      Implying the doctor should have more of a right to make the decision than the parent?

    57. Re:not flaming by MozeeToby · · Score: 1

      In this case though, the fake blood is manufactured from actual blood. I think you'll find a good many Jehovah's Witnesses will decline this substitute. Now, if you get into the artificial bloods based on strictly man made materials you won't have any issues.

    58. Re:not flaming by DontLickJesus · · Score: 1

      The answer is: If it contains blood or any of it's 4 major parts, Witnesses won't accept it. This doesn't seem to contain those things. There is an understanding that once you break a thing down so far, it's no longer blood. Things beyond the 4 major parts are considered a "conscience decision", which means it up to you whether you take it or not.

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    59. Re:not flaming by DontLickJesus · · Score: 1

      From what I can tell, yes. If it contains blood or any of it's 4 major parts, Witnesses won't accept it. This doesn't seem to contain those things. There is an understanding that once you break a thing down so far, it's no longer blood.

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    60. Re:not flaming by Jeng · · Score: 1

      Did the parent go to medical school?

      Hell, did the parent even go to parenting school?

      Just what do you think it is about a parent that makes you think that they know what is best for their children, especially in matters that they have absolutely no education in?

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    61. Re:not flaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and then what will you do when the parents abandon the kid because he has been defiled and raped by the abhorrent medical procedures and is now viewed as being a soulless shell?

      Probably won't happen if there are child abandonment laws. Case came into the hospital I work at where a teen girl suffered from internal bleeding from a "fall". Father refused any operation due to their religious beliefs as it would require blood. Things never sounded right and it came out she was bleeding by being "stomped" because she didn't finish her chores rather than a "fall". All of a sudden with the issue being jail time rather than his daughter's eternal soul, blood for the operation wasn't an issue any longer and he was quite willing to give his permission.

    62. Re:not flaming by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Not really.
      the death rate isn't high enough to impact evolution
      BTW, bad thinking can take down people besides the bad thinkers, like their kids, neighbors, and so on.

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    63. Re:not flaming by Jeng · · Score: 1

      what if someone took your child and said that they must submit to some medical procedure that you either view as risky and unnecessary or extremely invasive?

      Well risky or unnecessary or extremely invasive are concerns that can be brought up to the doctor if it is a valid concern, and from the doctor to the hospital, and so on, but if it is for a religious reason, no, absolutely no. Risky, unnecessary, or extremely invasive can be argued on merits beyond a schizophrenic belief that some being that created everything and everyone doesn't want you to save that childs life because of blah blah blah. You might as well just allow human sacrifice if you want to argue that parents can kill their children for religious reasons.

      and then what will you do when the parents abandon the kid because he has been defiled and raped by the abhorrent medical procedures and is now viewed as being a soulless shell?

      Thank you for making my point for me there, do you know how many children die from exorcisms? Just the fact that it is not zero should concern you. Then there are the people who just outright claim that a supernatural being told them to kill their children.

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    64. Re:not flaming by geekoid · · Score: 1

      The internet was designed and has been used in a fashion where you link what you are talking about.
      THAT"S the norm, you lazy git.

      http://www.thefreedictionary.com/git

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    65. Re:not flaming by geekoid · · Score: 1

      I don't respect their choice to let other people die.

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    66. Re:not flaming by geekoid · · Score: 2

      As has been shown, the chemical release post birth gives the mother more confidence. So unless they have been trained with critical thinking skills, that boost in confidences makes then think every wild ass idea is right, and that they somehow have special knowledge.

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    67. Re:not flaming by narcc · · Score: 1

      I guess you don't know many MD's.

      Competence is ... uncommon.

    68. Re:not flaming by Jeng · · Score: 1

      Because it wasn't something I had just googled, I was going off of memory of an article I may have read over a decade ago. So when I was asked for a citation I did google it, and it was not hard to find something that supported what I thought I recalled.

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    69. Re:not flaming by Jeng · · Score: 1

      What is real funny is I was confusing parts of Mormonism with Jehovah Witnesses, just luckily not this particular topic. I was thinking there couldn't be a lot of blood banks in Utah, luckily I came to my senses before posting that.

      By the way I am a poly-agnostic. I find that regular agnosticism is just way to restrictive.

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    70. Re:not flaming by Jeng · · Score: 1

      In theory I agree with you, but in practice it would just be crazy people killing their sane kids instead of sane parents killing their crazy kids.

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    71. Re:not flaming by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      On a level with fornication you say?

      Bring me a blood milkshake! Extra plasma!

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    72. Re:not flaming by Jeng · · Score: 1

      I guess you don't know many MD's.

      Competence is ... uncommon.

      I would trust them in medical manners more than I would trust anyone whose only qualification is that they had a child.

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    73. Re:not flaming by narcc · · Score: 1

      Let me know if you feel the same way after you have children of your own.

    74. Re:not flaming by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      75th. You're forgetting 3.

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    75. Re:not flaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Actually it would be more along the lines of "War is hell, but at least we make healthcare advances because of it."

      Yes, healthcare advances in fields like shell shock, long term effects of DU poisoning and amputee treatment. Which of course have civil applications - yet if you've invested all the money required by soldier/vet treatment into research, you would have all that and MUCH MORE on top of them.

      No, people who have trained their whole lives to save people don't come up with new lifesaving techniques due to "luck".

      Nice strawman. The techniques that saves lives in the ideologically constrained operating room are surely not an accident. The chance that the very same technique is useful elsewhere, in a ideologically unconstrained setup where blood is available, is pure luck.

      And do you know if they are using public resources do do those type of interventions, or are you just making wild speculations in an attempt to bolster your case that there are no positives outcomes of bloodless surgery?

      Newsflash: there's a whole world outside US of A. In most of it, major surgery is done primarily or only using public funds. And I'm not saying "there are no positives outcomes of bloodless surgery", rather that "researching unsolved medical problems should be much more effective than developing alternative solutions to solved problems, only to cater for religious idiosyncrasies".

      I'm not saying memory foam is not a nice NASA invention, but maybe there's a cheaper way to invent it than putting a man on the Moon ?

    76. Re:not flaming by cusco · · Score: 1

      Considering the level of competence of a lot of parents? A random wino on the street corner might be preferable to make the decision.

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    77. Re:not flaming by ttucker · · Score: 1

      Mathmatical

    78. Re:not flaming by ttucker · · Score: 1

      The internet was designed and has been used in a fashion where you link what you are talking about.

      Really? Do you have a citation supporting that claim?

      People post here in their free time, for personal amusement/enrichment. While it is reasonable to ask for an article or link, it is entirely unreasonable to demand them. Beyond unreasonable, is the act of continuing to harass someone about a missing link after they have provided it.

      It's the golden rule, don't be an asshole

      http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/asshole?s=t

    79. Re:not flaming by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      But children are the parents' property, to do with as they say fit. It says so in the bible, somewhere.

      If you suggest that the state owns them, then you are one of them thar commyonusts.

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    80. Re:not flaming by Jeng · · Score: 1

      So you are saying that if I have a child that I will suddenly trust the word of people who are talking out of their ass more than the word of people who are educated on relevant topics?

      Or are you saying that I will suddenly become irrational and start to trust a man of god vs a man of science if I have a child?

      What I think you are trying to say though is that if I was a parent that I would want the absolute best for my child, but you are coming off as advocating something else.

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    81. Re:not flaming by Holi · · Score: 1

      The rule is you make a claim, you support it. Don't expect me to do your work for you.

      There is no rule about being an asshole. In fact if you look at the world it seems to tell you if you want to succeed be as big an asshole as possible.

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    82. Re:not flaming by narcc · · Score: 1

      No, I'm saying that you'll be less willing to blindly trust the care of your children to someone else.

      See, it's really easy to make up rules that apply to others and not yourself. I seriously doubt you'd be willing to live by the same rules you're proposing if they actually affected you.

      if I was a parent that I would want the absolute best for my child

      Yes, yes you would. Which is *exactly* why you wouldn't want to abide by the same rules you'd impose on others!

    83. Re:not flaming by ttucker · · Score: 1

      The rule is you make a claim, you support it. Don't expect me to do your work for you.

      Did anybody ever ask you to look anything up? The probability of this current situation is this: nobody cares if you believe what you read or not. Really, nothing was written with you in mind. Nobody starts typing in the Slashdot comment box, then pauses to think, "Would Holi approve?"

      The comment that you read was provided for free, any value that you derive from it is provided by your own interpretation. Try using the moderation score filter.

      http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/egoism

    84. Re:not flaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To say, "I do so willingly" falls a bit short of capturing the mindset. First one must consider almost everything one would read in The Watchtower and Awake! that touches on blood transfusions would be negative, either highlighting risks and/or the benefits of non-blood techniques. What would happen if one of Jehovah's Witnesses decided to accept blood either for themselves or their children? If they did and showed open disagreement with the doctrine they would find themselves either disfellowshipped or disassociated by action. Following this, all obedience Witnesses, including family members, would then shun the individual was "wicked" (1 Cor 5:13), not even saying "hello" if they saw them.

      The reference to "pour it out" (Lev 17:13) is key to understand what Bible writers almost certainly intended to communicate about blood. That is, blood represented the life of the animal and thus could not be eaten along with the rest of the flesh (Gen 9:4). There really is no way to make a logical argument that Bible writers intended to refer to medical use of blood for transfusions, since such use would be unknown to them. It is also true the ingesting blood is biologically different than transfusing it and of course the person who donates blood continues to live, unlike an animal used for food. Indeed blood transfusions can be viewed from a Biblical perspective in the exact opposite way Witness doctrine dictates. That is, since the loss of life of an animal is of notice to Jehovah God that he demands a sign of respect by pouring out the blood, how much more should we view the life of a human in need of a blood transfusion?

      How too can it be possible for official JW doctrine to allow plasmapherisis, that involves completely removing blood from the body, processing it and returning it? Or how can blood fractions be allowed, when clearly more than "pour it out" has happened to the donor's blood?

      Unfortunately, like other new religious movements, the leaders of Jehovah's Witnesses processed information from two distinct viewpoints. (1) We were living in the end-times and things were progressing from bad to worse. (2) Forms of authority outside their faith should be resisted, especially that which stemmed from other faiths. After all Witnesses believe the whole world is under Satan's control (2 Cor 4:4). Thus pronouncements from the medical community the world was getting better because of vaccinations, organ transplants and blood transfusions were resisted. While vaccinations and organ transplants were eventually permitted resistance again blood transfusions have continued.

      And yes, IOOWAJW ;-)

    85. Re:not flaming by Jeng · · Score: 1

      What I am arguing against is a parent imposing a religions restriction on a childs care. This is not without precedent, it happens.

      What you are arguing against is a parent not having a legitimate say in a childs care.

      Not the same thing.

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    86. Re:not flaming by narcc · · Score: 1

      This is not without precedent, it happens.

      Yeah, everyone here knows that. They've known it for years. No one is arguing that. That said, I should point out that sometimes it's benign, sometimes tragic, and sometimes it's helpful. The same can be said about any medical decision, made by anyone involved, for any reason.

      What you are arguing against is a parent not having a legitimate say in a childs care. Not the same thing.

      But they can be the same thing! The JW bit is just really obvious, which is why you choose to focus on that.

      What you really want to do is bash religious people because it makes you feel smart and important. Yes, the JW's restrictions have caused countless unnecessary child deaths. We get it. Even the parents get it. It's a shitty thing.

      What you propose to prevent it, however, is far more dangerous -- and far more harmful.

      But how can that be?! Let's start with the most obvious: JW's may simply opt out of the medical system completely, for fear that their children will be violated. Possibly relying on home remedies and black market medicine and medical care.

    87. Re:not flaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Citation needed !

      To my knowledge, the new surgical techniques were invented to reduce operation's side-effects (less invasive surgery, less anesthetics, less hospital recovery).
      It also reduces the cost of an operation.

      I found no relation with Jehovah witnesses, so I'm curious to listen where you heard about this ?

      I heard about his too. It's called "blood recycling". They collect blood from the surgical procedure, filter it, and returned to the patient. Surgeries performed in this manner were supposed to have fewer complications.

      If I remember correctly, it was mentioned in an episode of Frontline.

    88. Re:not flaming by quantumghost · · Score: 1

      having to clone red cells

      Red cells have no nucleus, how do you "clone" them?

      Grow them from stem cells, perhaps.

      One could grow them from stem cells, induced pluripotent stem cells, normocytes, or a myriad of other cells. You see, mature RBCs do not have nuclei, but normoblasts or less mature RBCs do....when they mature they eject their nuclei. Anything less mature than a regular RBC is fair game.

    89. Re:not flaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But with Jehovah, I recognize his authority as absolute, and I do not challenge it. When he says "abstain from blood", I do so willingly. That's not to say it's blind acceptance, I still like to know why, but I don't challenge that instruction.

      And, yes, IAAJW.

      You got to go through some real mental gymnastics to put these sentences together and still consider yourself a rational being.

      You blindly accepted (as meaning accepted without understanding) something, and then convinced yourself that is not "blind acceptance" just because you still have a desire to know why, yet you are determined not to challenge it.

      It is like a prisoner saying he is not being imprisoned because he still like to escape, but he won't actually try to.

    90. Re:not flaming by Chrontius · · Score: 1

      First thing you need to know about synthetic biology:

      Anything you can make in a higher life form, you can mass produce in a beer-brewing kit, with enough man-hours engineering the yeast. If this works, it'll be ten years until a recombinant form is available from some biotech firm; most of that will be spent in the approval process because slicing out a gene and slapping it in a plasmid is something they teach undergraduates to do these days in "Intro to Biotech".

    91. Re:not flaming by cusco · · Score: 1

      So you don't eat blood sausage? Good. More for the rest of us that know what good food really is.

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    92. Re:not flaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (different AC). But the AC has +3 insightful, and you're posting at zero even though logged in. Also, posting logged in you are *still* effectively anonymous, so attacking a post for being AC rathyer than addressing the point is just pathetic.

    93. Re:not flaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One thing that struck me was the lower affinity of hemerythrin for CO. This could be handy. I don't recall the clearance time for CO in a poisoned individual (read it a few weeks ago, but memory sieve and all that) but have been told by a guy who does blood analysis at the local hospital that CO level starts dropping around a half-hour after last cigarette. Somewhere in there I'm thinking this stuff might be useful. I suspect a lot of damage can happen to brain and other organs from low O2 in half an hour. Right now emergency treatment consists of time; many jurisdictions give O2 although this has been shown not to help so long as fresh air is available. Looks to me like hemerythrin could help.

      Anyway, hemerythrin is neat stuff. One wonders how well it can stay useful in increasing isolation from the full-on blood system of the critters it comes from. If it needs a fairly complete ecosystem (is there a word for a small or partial ecosystem?) then usefulness would be more for extraction and use in short-term situations - ER, field medicine, operations. If it only needs a handful of nutrients, then it can be put on the shelf or in a fridge with plasma and non-organic expanders.

      I also recall reading nigh twenty years ago that a research group in Japan had come up with an artificial blood, and never heard anything after that. I wonder what they used for O2 transport. There have been at least two other reports over the past decade or so of similar. Leaving aside the tsunami of research and other news competing for one's attention, one thing that's long irked is lack of follow-up on just about everything. Best we usually get is "Whatever happened to..." articles about child actors and such.

      Even pre-Web, I'd hoped that there'd be a mechanism for real perma-link kind of stuff, where one could tag an article; throw the links in a possibles bag for rainy-day catch-up reading or set an alarm if it's something of particular interest. Ah, well. Life's ephemeral enough. But if we can save every phone call and email in North America for twenty years, one might think it could be done for other things as well. (Yeah, budget, need, yadda yadda.)

    94. Re:not flaming by captainlavender · · Score: 1

      Ah /., where being ignorant means you don't deserve to live.

  7. True Blood? by sqorbit · · Score: 1

    Does this mean True Blood will become a reality?

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    1. Re:True Blood? by amicusNYCL · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes, because the only thing stopping True Blood from becoming a reality was the lack of artificial blood.

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  8. Dracula go on a diet? by FudRucker · · Score: 0

    fat vampires can not fly

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  9. TruBlood by SirLoper · · Score: 2

    I can't help myself but to notice the similarities between this and the fictional "TruBlood" as I'm sure everyone else will, too. Maybe this is just the precursor to the vamps integrating with our society! (not like the current versions we have in the US serving in Congress)

    1. Re:TruBlood by narcc · · Score: 1

      I can't help myself but to notice the similarities between this and the fictional "TruBlood" as I'm sure everyone else will, too.

      No. I didn't even know that "TruBood" was a thing until I saw it referenced endlessly in this thread. Since that strange Ann Rice movie, I just assumed that vampire related media was intended for teenage girls and middle-aged lonely women. Being neither of those two things, I never bothered.

  10. Right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looks like vampire slayers were at the top of their game back in 2004, but now it appears that vampires have the upper hand.

  11. funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I find it hilarious that every one of us was thinking similar things. Mine was "How suspicious... artificial blood research from Dracula's backyard."

    1. Re:funny by CreatureComfort · · Score: 1

      announced on Halloween...

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    2. Re:funny by Jeng · · Score: 1

      I worked the trail backwards to a Romanian news source because it was just too coincidental, but since I don't read Romanian I stopped there.

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    3. Re:funny by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      Do Romanians celebrate Hallowe'en? It is celebrated in the Celtic nations such as Scotland and USA. In England, they only started celebrating it relatively recently.

    4. Re:funny by Jeng · · Score: 1

      The washington times story is just a copy/paste of the other article linked in the summary. The other link you provided is a list of all the publications Radu Silaghi has put out, this one is not listed there as far as I could tell.

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    5. Re:funny by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      Triduum of All Hallows is a (Roman) catholic holiday starting today. I see no reason why that might not have bled over. Regardless of origin, once it's part of Catholic tradition, it tends to get around a bit.

      (I'm aware that romania is mostly orthodox)

    6. Re:funny by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      Hallowe'en is a Pagan festival to celebrate the Autumn (Fall) equinox. They believed that this was the time of year that the spirits of the dead would wake up for the winter, and it was necessary for young people to dress up as skeletons and ghosts and to have lanterns designed as such in order to confuse them and scare them away. Absolutely nothing to do with the Catholic Church or Christianity, it was around before they came along.

      All Saints' Day is tomorrow, and All Souls' day the day after. Those are Christian festivals. But dressing up as skeletons, witches and so on is nothing to do with that, it is to do with the pre-Christian pagan festival.

    7. Re:funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      announced on Halloween...

      Jehovah's Witnesses, though, don't celebrate Halloween. Why, you ask? They just hate to
      have random people knocking on their doors.

  12. US trials conducted years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We've been hearing this news for about a hundred years.

    I remember reading a few years ago how US trials were already underway for similar synthetic bloods.

    The disturbing part was how they were testing the product on emergency victims without their consent.

  13. Researchers from babe university by slashmojo · · Score: 1

    in vampire country make trublood on halloween - good show!

  14. is it too much to ask by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    to spell names correctly?
    It's Babes-Bolyai University http://www.cci.ubbcluj.ro/,
    Thank you,
    AC

  15. salt and worms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It looks like all the vampire jokes are covered already, so on to the actual subject.

    From the summary and the wiki-link, this is a mixture of saltwater and an oxygen carrier molecule from certain worms. As long as it doesn't trigger any sort of allergy, this should work well for short duration needs (like surgery) and the simplicity of the chemicals suggests that it can bypass the protein marker issues with human blood supplies.

  16. Problem solved (wipes hands) ... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Informative

    And thus begins the plot of Daybreakers.

    The film takes place in a futuristic world overrun by vampires. A vampiric corporation sets out to capture and farm the remaining humans while researching a blood substitute. Lead vampire hematologist Edward Dalton's (Ethan Hawke) work is interrupted by human survivors led by former vampire "Elvis" (Willem Dafoe), who has a cure that can save the human species.

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    1. Re:Problem solved (wipes hands) ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where would I find a fiery car to drive through a wall, that is the question.

  17. PolyHeme by pete-classic · · Score: 4, Informative

    Have we forgotten about PolyHeme? It isn't truly artificial (it is made from human hemoglobin), but it is not infectious and is not type specific. And it can be stored for a year at room temperature.

    1. Re:PolyHeme by Jeng · · Score: 1

      So how many pints of real blood do you need to make a pint PolyHeme, also how expensive is it?

      With purely artificial blood you don't have to worry about how many people are donating blood, you just make more.

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    2. Re:PolyHeme by 0racle · · Score: 1

      Looks like there may be a few issues with PolyHeme. It would be interesting to see how this new stuff stacks up against the disadvantages of PolyHeme.

      Of course, there's no reason there can't be two (or more) different solutions to the problem, that would probably be beneficial to the patient.

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    3. Re:PolyHeme by rwise2112 · · Score: 1

      Have we forgotten about PolyHeme? It isn't truly artificial (it is made from human hemoglobin), but it is not infectious and is not type specific. And it can be stored for a year at room temperature.

      Apparently there are many.

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    4. Re:PolyHeme by MozeeToby · · Score: 1

      I think "13.2 percent of patients receiving PolyHeme died versus 9.6 percent among the control group" might have something to do with why we forgot about it. The non-matching and non-refrigeration aspects make it interesting for combat and less advanced regions though.

    5. Re:PolyHeme by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's the N and p-value? Number of studies? That could just be random chance.

    6. Re:PolyHeme by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      What is the advantage of artificial blood? If it can't be made in higher volumes than from collecting real blood of the right blood type, or made more cheaply, then it isn't very useful. Though if there's some specific problem that prohibits using someone else's donated blood then it's useful (ie, a very rare blood type, or oversensitive immune reaction). Maybe donated blood isn't very safe in Romania?

    7. Re:PolyHeme by Chrontius · · Score: 1

      More to the point, can you make it from expired whole blood?

  18. come out of hiding by jblues · · Score: 1

    This project was sponsored by the Romanian government in the hope that the last of the remaining transylvanian vampires would be able to come out of hiding and live without persecution.

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    1. Re:come out of hiding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a trap.

    2. Re:come out of hiding by geekoid · · Score: 1

      haha, if vampires were real, there would be a line a mile long to get bit.
      I'll take missing sunsets in exchange for not aging.

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  19. its, its by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is the trueblood! Vampires are about to be revealed to the world.

    1. Re:its, its by PPH · · Score: 1

      In related news Anna Paquin goes into hiding.

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  20. read Lumley by Gothmolly · · Score: 1

    Brian Lumley wrote about something very similar. Except the worms were vampires.

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  21. Interesting by Arkiel · · Score: 1

    Cold open to new Will Smith movie: the Worm People.

  22. this project by xXXxkatyaxXXx · · Score: 1

    ok haha very funny with the vampire jokes anyway,- i think this is a good project and smart as well!

    1. Re:this project by Punko · · Score: 1

      With only 1/4 the oxygen pickup, this protein would likely not be a substitute for your own blood, but it could be something to tide you over until you could get a proper top up.

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    2. Re: this project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your own body will produce new blood all by itself, if it's kept alive long enough to do so. This will just be good enough to get you by until then. You'd probably need to avoid exerting yourself because that would probably stress your heart due to the lower oxygen capacity of this blood, but it'd keep you alive until you recovered.

  23. ick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    trueblood : salty seaworm flavor.
    ick
    side effects may include zombieism

    also, I need blood::take mine just in time for memeoween

    1. Re:ick by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Pleasing taste ... some monsterism.

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    2. Re:ick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would you buy again?

  24. Cow Blood by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

    You would thing the best and easiest way would just be to filter/treat cow blood in some way.

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    1. Re:Cow Blood by John.Banister · · Score: 1

      Hemopure was mentioned above.

  25. Polyheme and Hemopure... by slew · · Score: 1

    The one you are remembering was probably PolyHeme. It wasn't a hundred years ago, but there technical and industrial barriers blocking the development of this type of product didn't really fall until the 70's.

    The non-consent trial (technically opt-out, but you had to do it before you got your trama injury) for PolyHeme weren't just disturbing, Polyheme didn't perform well in these trials (for example, the chicago trial). This is probably why you haven't heard much about this since that time.

    Because of the blowback from the Polyheme trials, one of the competing products at the time Hemopure never made it to similar trials and went BK. Part of the concern was that at least Polyheme was made from human blood, where Hemopure was made from cow blood.

    This Hemerythrin stuff is chemically different, but may face the same issues as the earlier synthetic blood products in clinical trials and the inevitable marketing.

    1. Re:Polyheme and Hemopure... by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Why would trials be run this way as opposed to informed consent if the product was suspected to actually work?

    2. Re:Polyheme and Hemopure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would trials be run this way as opposed to informed consent if the product was suspected to actually work?

      Because the company was able to convince the FDA that it was required to test this in trauma victims (the intended use of the product) and it was likely that most trauma victims could not (or would not) be able to be informed, or give legally binding consent (being under life threatening pressure and all).

  26. I won't even bother... by Alejux · · Score: 1

    to make a Dracula joke. It would just be too easy.

  27. controversy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hydroperoxide, the high fructose corn syrup of O2 binding mechanisms.

  28. Why not now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So why can't it be used now?

  29. Vampires are SAVED!!!! by PortHaven · · Score: 1

    Crap...now we're stuck with Edward for centuries to come.

    1. Re:Vampires are SAVED!!!! by geekoid · · Score: 1

      I have some steaks, 2 crossbows, and a backhoe. We will end those centuries.

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    2. Re:Vampires are SAVED!!!! by PortHaven · · Score: 1

      I like my steaks medium rare... blackened with pepper and well salted.

      =_

  30. Vampires and artificial blood by sglines · · Score: 1

    With luck this will end the vampire book and movie genre as we know it. Expect kinder and gentler vampires from now on. -SG

  31. This HAS to be a Halloween joke, right? by TWiTfan · · Score: 2

    Isn't it bad enough that we get so many of these bogus stories on April 1st?

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  32. I thought they already did this by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

    Strange. I had heard about this concept back when I was a kid and was curious as to why I hadn't heard more about it since then.

    Back when I was in school we used to get a little magazine called "Weekly Reader" and back around 1991-ish I remember them having an article about scientists having created artificial blood. It didn't have any disease fighting capability but could carry oxygen (and was apparently white in color before being used).

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  33. Purple blood by nedlohs · · Score: 1

    Sign me up.

  34. Old Man's War - Smart Blood by rsborg · · Score: 2

    Are we getting to where we could create this? IF we can replace blood completely or in part with a substance that has nanites that accomplish some tasks better - perhaps we're ready for SmartBlood.

    From a blog synopsizing the technology[1]:

    SmartBlood is a suspension of nanomachines that can, among its other abilities, instantly clot severe wounds. It has an increased oxygen-carrying capability, four times greater than ordinary human blood. In this, Scalzi is being very conservative. The "respirocytes" designed by Robert Freitas (1998) are cell-sized pressure tanks that can carry thousands of times the oxygen of an equivalent volume of erythrocytes. But perhaps the CDF doesn't possess full Drexlerian diamondoid nano tech.

    [1] http://underbase.livejournal.com/49019.html

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    1. Re:Old Man's War - Smart Blood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are we getting to where we could create this?

      To quote the esteemable Yahtzee of Zero Punctuation:
      "In short? No. In long? Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo."

      This is just a simple chemical mix. It's nothing at all like a set of active nanites that provide oxygen transport, immunity to disease, instant sealing of breached vessels, and controllable flammability and also capable of being produced within the body. Smart blood is essentially magic at this point.

  35. The Return of Dr. X? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sad to say, my first thought upon reading "artificial blood" was an unusual horror movie starring ... Humphrey Bogart! "The Return of Dr. X" - which involves artificial blood.
    http://www.kitten-kaboodle.com/index.php/site/comments/the-return-of-doctor-x-1939-starring-humphrey-bogart/

  36. joke by floops · · Score: 1

    This is a Halloween joke right? Tell me this is a Halloween joke like an April FOols joke.

    1. Re:joke by John.Banister · · Score: 1

      What if they timed the announcement of their discovery, thinking the news might propagate better on Halloween? Perhaps they hope for extra investors who see television coverage that happens because the story is too cute not to pick up.

  37. Umm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are completely crazy.

    1. Re:Umm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and you don't have kids.

  38. Wrongly spelled name by war4peace · · Score: 1

    Please replace the misspelled name with the correct one: Babe-Bolyai University.

    http://www.ubbcluj.ro/

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  39. Sweet thought, but no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    There aren't enough Jehovah's Witnesses for them to be a major focus of research expenditure. You are right in that the new techniques are often better than what they replace, but it isn't because one group refuses transfusions, it's because blood is a damn precious resource. There is NEVER enough of it when you really need it, and developing a low-loss technique (which can be more difficult to execute, resulting in more specialized training for surgeons and more specialized equipment, which results in bigger costs... at least in the short term) means there's one less drain on an extremely limited, perishable, and valuable resource.

    The Witnesses can simply benefit as individuals from something that's good for society as a whole. Good for them, but don't confuse what's driving progress and what's coincidentally benefiting from the results.

    And I know someone will trot out some reference claiming that a technique came about because of a Witness patient. But dig down, did that technique get DEVELOPED because of the patient, or was it an experimental or limited procedure that was already known but not widely utilized until that patient forced the issue?

    1. Re:Sweet thought, but no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, can't it be both? No need to oversimplify the reasons.

    2. Re:Sweet thought, but no... by Jeng · · Score: 1

      Just think of them as overly enthusiastic test subjects.

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    3. Re:Sweet thought, but no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better: they're human test subjects that the ethics board has a defensible excuse for approving when it would otherwise be unethical to not use the current best practice.

      Or, to put it differently, the ethical hurdle for testing procedures on JW's is lower than the ethical hurdle for testing on other humans. #grumpycatgood

    4. Re:Sweet thought, but no... by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      There aren't enough Jehovah's Witnesses for them to be a major focus of research expenditure.

      There are plenty, thanks. The only problem is getting rid of the empty bodies once you've consumed all of their blood. ;-)

  40. Jehovah's Witnesses Rejoice by DontLickJesus · · Score: 1

    I understand that many people who post here don't share my religious views, but as a person who doesn't believe in accepting blood: This is huge. There have been great strides in bloodless surgery, but an alternative it always great. Thank you to these folks for their continued work

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    1. Re:Jehovah's Witnesses Rejoice by geekoid · · Score: 1

      It's still against Jehovah's witnesses. You should probably bone up on your own theology.

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  41. how about we call it... by brennz · · Score: 1

    True Blood

  42. Sookie! by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Sookie Stackhouse (southern vampire series) books (and the "True Blood" TV adaptation) come to mind as well.

    For those unaware of the series: They start from shortly after the big reveal, where the vampires came out of the closet after the Japanese invent a blood substitute that provides adequate nutrition for vampires, allowing them to live without hunting people.

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    1. Re:Sookie! by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      Now all we need is a supply of artificial flies for that nice Mr. Renfield.

  43. Is it really artificial? by olip85 · · Score: 1

    Those missing children...

  44. The research doesnt back it up by voss · · Score: 2

    "Cocaine is undoubtedly bad for the fetus. But experts say its effects are less severe than those of alcohol and are comparable to those of tobacco — two legal substances that are used much more often by pregnant women, despite health warnings.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/27/health/27coca.html?_r=0

  45. A little late? by zippthorne · · Score: 1

    Haven't quite made it to 2008 yet in your TV and Movie backlog, I see..

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  46. VIOLET PINK! by pz · · Score: 1

    Did anyone read the Wikipedia entry?

    "Hemerythrin and myohemerythrin are essentially colorless when deoxygenated, but turn a violet-pink in the oxygenated state."

    Since much of our skin tone (for lighter colored skins) comes from blood, this is going to make for some VERY interesting looking people!!!

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  47. Clinical trial? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There have been multiple attempts before at creating artificial blood, both in Canada (Hemosol Corp.) and in the U.S. Products failed at the clinical trial stage mainly due to major safety issues.

  48. Doping by FishTankX · · Score: 1

    I wonder how long it will take the pro cycling communities to start testing for hemerythrin doping. If it doesn't thicken the blood too much, it might actually be a nice performance enhancing treatment for Athletes for training.

  49. Nothing new. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Principle is known since at leat 2006

    http://www.bladi.net/forum/threads/sang-ver-marin-transfusion-sanguine-afin-solutionner-problme.59905/

    Practical application are available in France since at least 2013 Q2

    http://www.bretagne-innovation.tm.fr/Actualites/Hemarina-cree-un-substitut-de-sang-humain

  50. The wiki is cool by mattr · · Score: 1

    THe wikipedia article is intriguing, I never thought much about the different oxygen transport mechanisms out there (except that of lobsters).
    It appears that one kind of blood is 1/4 as effective as human blood but has much less affinity for carbon monoxide, others use cooperative bonding which boosts the oxygen transport capability I guess, also a microorganism was found with a similar substance but it includes sulfur, etc.!
    I was thinking what if astronauts or deep-sea living argonauts were running out of oxygen, they might choose to exchange their blood for one of these other types and it would be enough to get them through though maybe not enough energy for exciting EVAs..! Pretty neat. The story about the new dna biocomputer code being open sourced though was both neat to the awesometh power but also very scary.. having read blood music as another poster did and remembering what Bill Joy wrote ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_The_Future_Doesn't_Need_Us ). Welp the cat's out of the bag and I guess DHS worrying about explosives is just another quaint trivia item about the 2010s. Seems like we are on the crest of an accelerating wave of great inventions and hope they will be used well!

  51. Launching zombie plague by kbx911 · · Score: 0

    In 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, aargggghhhrwwwaaaagfynjhdudihnjh

  52. Ah romania by kbx911 · · Score: 0

    I hurd about this country after i started using nosteam.ro

  53. Wrong uni? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Universitatea Babe-Bolyai, Cluj-Napoca

  54. Not Kosher by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    extracted from sea worms