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Senators Propose Bill Prohibiting Phone Calls On Planes

SonicSpike writes with news that two U.S. Senators, Lamar Alexander (R-TN) and Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), have proposed legislation to ban cell phone calls while aboard an airplane. This follows a recent announcement from the FAA increasing the range of electronic gadgets travelers can use while flying, and a vote by the FCC to consider allowing phone calls during flight. However, even as those government agencies work to lift regulations on in-flight technology, the Department of Transportation is pondering a in-flight call ban of its own, saying it might not be "fair" to consumers to have to listen to other passengers talk on the phone throughout a long flight. FCC commissioner Jessica Rosenworcel said, "If we move beyond what we do here today and actually update our rules to allow voice calls on planes we can see a future where our quiet time is monetized and seating in the silent section comes at a premium."

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  1. what? by Charliemopps · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Are they going to ban them in restaurants next? Movie theaters? What an idiotic premise!

    1. Re:what? by H0p313ss · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Are they going to ban them in restaurants next? Movie theaters?

      That would be nice. We already know there's a special hell reserved for those who talk at the theater.

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    2. Re:what? by glavenoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It should be up to the airlines whether or not allowing voice calls would cater to their passengers, but airlines should have leeway on how they enforce their policy, such as being able to forcibly disembark a passenger immediately upon violating a voice-call prohibition.

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    3. Re:what? by X0563511 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Indeed. There is zero reason this needs to be legislated.

      This is just congress fucking off instead of doing what they are supposed to be doing, again.

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    4. Re:what? by SJHillman · · Score: 5, Funny

      "such as being able to forcibly disembark a passenger immediately upon violating a voice-call prohibition"

      I propose an exception - if the violation happens before take-off, they should have to wait until the plane reaches a certain minimum altitude before the forcible disembarkation.

    5. Re:What? by Sockatume · · Score: 3, Insightful

      People do tend to be less considerate of bystanders when making phone calls than when talking to someone who is actually in the room in my experience; you'll see someone who's having a perfectly reasonable conversation with somebody at dinner, then turn away to answer their phone and jump up an order of magnitude in loudness. I think it's the fact that one side of the conversation is private to the other people in the room; it triggers some sort of general "private talk" flag in the brain that makes you automatically and quite unconsciously begin talking as though there was nobody else there.

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    6. Re:what? by edibobb · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We should ban talking altogether. Terrorists have been known to use speech in training as well as in the execution of terrorist attacks. Child pornographers and drug cartels are also frequent users of speech.

    7. Re:what? by Capt+James+McCarthy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It should be up to the airlines whether or not allowing voice calls would cater to their passengers, but airlines should have leeway on how they enforce their policy, such as being able to forcibly disembark a passenger immediately upon violating a voice-call prohibition.

      How dare you let businesses determine their own methods of business. You NEED the government to tell you how to run your business since you suck at running it and some lifetime politician knows more about your business then you do.

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    8. Re:What? by bws111 · · Score: 1

      People on cellphones talk louder, for one thing. And hearing only half of a conversation is way more distracting and annoying than hearing both sides.

    9. Re:what? by slartibartfastatp · · Score: 1

      ^ THIS
      I wish I still had my mod points.

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    10. Re:what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Welcome to The United States of Intolerance and Knee Jerk Reactions

    11. Re:what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's possible for me to leave a restaurant that does nothing about disruptive talkers. Same with movie theaters. I cannot walk midflight out of an airplane with disruptive talkers.

      Replace "talkers" with "crying babies" and your statement is no less true. Shall we ban babies on flights as well?

    12. Re:what? by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Are they going to ban them in restaurants next? Movie theaters? What an idiotic premise!

      In a restaurant, I can ask my waitress to tell you to STFU. If she fails to, I can (and will) walk out.

      You already can't use your phone in a movie theater.

      Being stuck on a plane for several hours while some sales wanker is on a conference call -- well, let's just say the cabin crew might have to break up a few fights and deal with the fallout of someone who has had enough. After you've won buzz-word bingo for the 3rd time in 15 minutes, it wears thin, and people have already been stressed out by the process of going through the airport.

      Mark my words, I bet it would take less than 2 years before the first in-flight murder of a cell phone user or something silly like that. Because the people who feel they can't avoid using their cell phones often have absolutely no awareness of those around them, because they feel whatever they're doing is so important that the rest of us should have to put up with it.

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    13. Re:what? by Virtucon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes it's called the Alamo Drafthouse.

      This person is why Cell Phones need to be banned on airplanes in this country. If I had to listen to her talk endlessly on a flight I'd probably look for the nearest emergency exit and throw her out! Yeah, there'd be collateral damage but honestly if a person can't be bothered to not use their phone in a theater what makes you think that they'll be polite on a plane?

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    14. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      People do tend to be less considerate of bystanders when making phone calls than when talking to someone who is actually in the room in my experience; you'll see someone who's having a perfectly reasonable conversation with somebody at dinner, then turn away to answer their phone and jump up an order of magnitude in loudness. I think it's the fact that one side of the conversation is private to the other people in the room; it triggers some sort of general "private talk" flag in the brain that makes you automatically and quite unconsciously begin talking as though there was nobody else there.

      And this trigger totally fails on planes. Loud conversations are the norm. If the asshole in the seat behind me was talking on a cell phone rather than to his/her neighbor, then at least it would be quiet part of the time.

    15. Re:What? by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      And that's different from talking with the person next to you how, exactly?

      Go to the part of your office that has the most suits.

      Now, listen to the volume of the monkey in the suit when he speaks on the phone, versus the volume of the monkey in the suit when he speaks to people in the room.

      In my experience, the suit monkey speaks a lot louder on the phone, and is correspondingly a lot more annoying.

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    16. Re:what? by macbeth66 · · Score: 1

      No mod points today. Sorry. Or I'd mod you up on humor. For a sec there you almost had me.

      BTW, many higher end restaurants do exactly that. You are expected to take your nonsense to the lobby. Data use seems to be fine.

    17. Re:What? by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      People do tend to be less considerate of bystanders when making phone calls than when talking to someone who is actually in the room in my experience; you'll see someone who's having a perfectly reasonable conversation with somebody at dinner, then turn away to answer their phone and jump up an order of magnitude in loudness. I think it's the fact that one side of the conversation is private to the other people in the room; it triggers some sort of general "private talk" flag in the brain that makes you automatically and quite unconsciously begin talking as though there was nobody else there.

      It's because the other person is far away, somehow people's brains think that they have to shout loud enough that the person on the other hand can hear them even without a phone. In reality, phones have some extraordinary good electronics that will pick up the quietest voice and make it well understandable to the receiver of the call.

    18. Re:what? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is just congress fucking off instead of doing what they are supposed to be doing, again.

      Don't worry, the next election will change *everything*! At least, that's what I hear every two years...

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    19. Re:what? by macbeth66 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'd rather that congress focus on this than on more ways to waste tax dollars. There is a lot to be said for a congress that can't do anything.

    20. Re:what? by Entropius · · Score: 1

      "We", meaning the government, should not give a flying fuck.

      "We", meaning the airlines, might be able to charge a premium from seats that put a fair bit of 1/r^2 between them and the babies. But that is their business, and emphatically not Congress'.

    21. Re:what? by RivenAleem · · Score: 2

      A closer analogy would be long distance bus journeys. Why are they not worried about quiet time when you are on a bus for 3 hours?

    22. Re:what? by Entropius · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is a train line that came up with a novel idea: on part of the train you can use your cellphone, and on part of the train you can't! Gee, what a concept. Maybe we could let the airlines figure this out, rather than having Congress make laws.

    23. Re:what? by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1

      Those are private places and can do (almost) whatever they want as far as restrictions go. If you need a coat and tie to get in, they can require it. They require shoes to be worn? So be it.

      Planes are the same thing.

      It's not YOUR place, it's someone else's place AND it's a communal area. For the sake of sanity, preventing people from talking on the cell phones while on a flight is the very least they can do.

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    24. Re:what? by jedidiah · · Score: 3, Insightful

      An airline?

      You really don't want to go there. These are some of the most heavily regulated businesses on the planet. The companies in question might not even mind given the kind of chaos that could ensue otherwise.

      Regulation gives everyone a nice level playing field.

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    25. Re:what? by somersault · · Score: 1

      I thought it was just a (relatively) common phrase..? Maybe I've watched Firefly too many times.

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    26. Re:what? by bonehead · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Indeed. Political bickering and gridlock in Washington are the only things preventing this country from going downhill even faster.

      The absolute worst case scenario for the USA is that we ever elect a congress that can actually get anything accomplished.

    27. Re:what? by Capt+James+McCarthy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Regulation gives everyone a nice level playing field.

      It also ensures that inventiveness is removed from business.

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    28. Re:what? by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      The airlines are already cramming more seats into the same space.

      The day an airline starts charging people to sit in the "no cellphone section" is the day the air marshals and cabin crews will be breaking up a LOT more fights.

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    29. Re:what? by John.Banister · · Score: 1

      Because most bus riders can't afford to bribe politicians?

    30. Re:what? by meerling · · Score: 1

      Do you really think she'd shut up without a phone? She'd probably just choose the nearest thing with ears, probably you, and start yammering at that. Now, instead of just being a noisy distraction, she's a noisy distraction that's actively competing for your attention.

    31. Re:what? by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Replace "talkers" with "crying babies" and your statement is no less true. Shall we ban babies on flights as well?

      Yes, please!!

      I once had a screamer behind me on an early flight, and I was not feeling that well.

      I rang the flight attendent, and when she came to me, I asked her if we could "please put the kid in the overhead compartment".

      It was just loud enough for the parent behind to hear, who *finally* started to try to control the kid....and the flight attendant smiled at me and said "I think you need a bloody mary", and went to get me one.

      If you can't or won't control your kids, please keep them at home until they can maintain themselves in public.

      I actually miss smoking sections in restaurants for this reason, it was much better to eat there as that most parents wouldn't eat in the smoking section. And when I worked in the business back while in school, I found the smoking section folks drank more alcohol and tipped better too, but that's another topic altogether.

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    32. Re:what? by vakuona · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Here is a thought. An aeroplane is a public place, and you should not necessarily expect quiet on a plane. What next, do you ban people talking to each other on planes because is disturbs your peace and quiet?

      Why not buy some earplugs if you want to drown out the noise around you? Why not let people use their time as productively as they wish.

      If it is a red eye flight, then I fully agree that people should be quiet at certain times. but to mandate it for all flights, whatever the time is ridiculous.

    33. Re:what? by DexterIsADog · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, it would be awful if congress were to, say, spend enough time to rationally examine energy policy, and pass laws to encourage responsible nuclear power in addition to renewables.

    34. Re:what? by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      I went out to a restaurant with my family {all 22 of them} the Sunday after thanksgiving we asked the waitress if she could lower the shades as the sun had peaked up over the trees and for those directly facing the great big windows covering the front of the restaurant it was fairly blinding and uncomfortable.

      A women at another table made a scene to get the waitress to leave the shades up... ALL THE WAY UP...

      Afterwards I let her know that I don't usually eat at restaurants, go to malls, movie theaters, or any other place with crowds because of all the rude and inconsiderate people that go to those places, like her. I think the quiet guy sitting with her that was hanging his head in shame was the Pastor at the church up the road a few blocks.

      Last time I went to the theater I spent $40 for a movie that I didn't get to hear because of the kids playing around in the first couple rows.

    35. Re:what? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      There is a lot to be said for a congress that can't do anything.

      Indeed. During the longest sustained economic expansion in American history, the top priorities of congress were 1) Monica Lewinsky, and 2) Paula Jones.

    36. Re:what? by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The absolute worst case scenario for the USA is that we ever elect a congress that can actually get anything accomplished.

      And, we saw this brilliantly illustrated when Obama first hit office and Dems had control of both houses. We're feeling the effects now of obamacare which was rammed through.

      Thankfully, even with majority in both houses, they didn't do more damage.

      Sadly, the only way to overturn this mess, and get it out and maybe revised would be to have the Reps in control of all 3x branches. But, I'm afraid what else they'd do if they had that much control.

      So, I'm afraid we're largely screwed on this one...

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    37. Re:what? by uncqual · · Score: 1

      Why does it matter the source of annoyance? The impact is the same regardless of the motivation. To me, a crying baby is much worse than someone talking on their cell phone.

      That said, if Airline A and Airline B had the same prices/schedules but A banned cell phone calls and B didn't, I'd fly A.

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    38. Re:what? by rossdee · · Score: 1

      For safety reasons there would have to be a maximum altitude that they can be ejected from the plane, something like less than 10000 ft.

    39. Re:what? by DexterIsADog · · Score: 2

      Regulation gives everyone a nice level playing field.

      It also ensures that inventiveness is removed from business.

      Really? Have you *seen* the proliferation of charges the airlines invented, to boost the bottom line? They must employ the equivalent of Einsteins and Shakespeares of customer ripoff to come up with those.

    40. Re:what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Emirates has had in-flight phone calls for 4-5 years now. No one notices. No one has been murdered. People were so quiet that the flight crews thought no one was using them, until they were shown the stats.

    41. Re:what? by SJHillman · · Score: 1

      Just take them out through the unpressurized cargo hold, or else we can begin equipping planes with airlocks.

    42. Re:what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In philly you just get shot in the leg if you try that shit

    43. Re:what? by ah.clem · · Score: 1

      ...such as being able to forcibly disembark a passenger immediately upon violating a voice-call prohibition.

      Preferably while in mid-air.

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    44. Re:what? by Capt+James+McCarthy · · Score: 1

      Regulation gives everyone a nice level playing field.

      It also ensures that inventiveness is removed from business.

      Really? Have you *seen* the proliferation of charges the airlines invented, to boost the bottom line? They must employ the equivalent of Einsteins and Shakespeares of customer ripoff to come up with those.

      Yes (or do you mean the govt mandated 9/11 fees?). And it's up to you as the consumer to pick which airline you wish to fly. And who are you to tell a business how much they can or can't charge? The market will determine cost. Stop being a lazy consumer.

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    45. Re:what? by jythie · · Score: 1

      Depends on the regulation. They can help, and they can hurt. They can increase inventiveness or decrease it.

    46. Re:what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      To be fair, those two also happened to be a priority for the President at one point or another.

    47. Re:what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually they should charge for the right to use the cell phone, and have a cell phone reserved area.

      Only people that really need to make calls will pay. Maybe that's the way congress should legislate, the fundamental right is the right to quietness, but give the airlines leeway to charge for customers who insist in making phone calls in flight.

      A long time ago there were smoker and non smoker areas, so dividing a plane into two areas is not a problem.

    48. Re:what? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 2

      We're feeling the effects now of obamacare which was rammed through.

      Yes, yes... because the Republican solution to the country's healthcare issues (and/or anything else having to with people who are not rich and/or white and/or corporations) was/is *so* much better. Remind me what that was/is again, other than "let them eat cake"?

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    49. Re:what? by nitehawk214 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There is a train line that came up with a novel idea: on part of the train you can use your cellphone, and on part of the train you can't! Gee, what a concept. Maybe we could let the airlines figure this out, rather than having Congress make laws.

      Amtrack does not charge extra for "quiet cars". You can bet your ass an airplane would charge you for some peace and quiet.

      Also, on a train you can get up, move around, and there is lots of room between seats. On a plane you are pressed right up against the asshole yammering on his phone right next to you.

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    50. Re: what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sure, and the trumpet player who's travelling to his next performance should be allowed to make productive use of his time by practicing. It's not like you have a right to peace and quiet at the expense of his convenience.

    51. Re:what? by blackraven14250 · · Score: 1

      Actually, the policy they're considering would require airlines that want to have cell phones on planes apply for licenses. In effect, you'd be able to choose Delta or United or whatever airline based on whether or not you want to talk on your phone.

    52. Re:what? by slew · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because the people who feel they can't avoid using their cell phones often have absolutely no awareness of those around them, because they feel whatever they're doing is so important that the rest of us should have to put up with it.

      This. I know someone that operates a hotel (and sometimes I used to help at the front desk). Often heavy smokers (and you can smell them as they walk up to the desk) specifically request a non-smoker room because they don't have to smell smoke. More often than not, they seem to end up lighting-up in that room because they just couldn't resist and they get indignant when the hotel attempts to fine them for smoking in a non-smoker room. The most common excuse was it was cold and didn't want to get dressed to go outside and I couldn't wait (as if that is somehow a valid excuse).

      People addicted to telephones, texting and internet games would seem to fit this profile better than they would probably want to admit.

    53. Re: what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or instead of being passive aggressive you could have stood up and announced that you and your family were leaving (and not paying) if you couldn't be seated somewhere where you could eat your meal without being blinded. And, if you have the balls, encourage everyone around you to do the same. Either the lady would shut up, or the restaurant would kick her out, or they'd kick you out and you could go somewhere that didn't cater to idiots.

    54. Re:what? by digitalPhant0m · · Score: 1

      You already can't use your phone in a movie theater.

      Says who?
      The "Silence is golden" sign before the movie starts is hardly a law.

      I think the parent was suggesting legislation.

    55. Re:what? by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 1

      ban them in restaurants next? Movie theaters?

      What's the problem with that? Besides, you can still text without being an annoyance -- unless that was you in the theater last night.

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    56. Re:what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Fairly sure the phrase "special (place in) hell for $X" predates Firefly by a long time.

    57. Re:what? by SteveFoerster · · Score: 1

      Although in fairness, in Philly you probably get shot either way.

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    58. Re:What? by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      People do tend to be less considerate of bystanders when making phone calls than when talking to someone who is actually in the room in my experience; you'll see someone who's having a perfectly reasonable conversation with somebody at dinner, then turn away to answer their phone and jump up an order of magnitude in loudness. I think it's the fact that one side of the conversation is private to the other people in the room; it triggers some sort of general "private talk" flag in the brain that makes you automatically and quite unconsciously begin talking as though there was nobody else there.

      Not to mention the "answer a call in the middle of a conversation" rudeness.

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    59. Re:what? by SteveFoerster · · Score: 2

      Indeed. There is zero reason this needs to be legislated. This is just congress fucking off instead of doing what they are supposed to be doing, again.

      This is also a useful reminder from Lamar Alexander that Republicans are lying when they say they favor less government.

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    60. Re:What? by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      Without the ability to see another person's lips it makes it more difficult to hear. When people have difficulty hearing another person they raise their voice. (yeah, it is counter-intuitive.)

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    61. Re:what? by 0123456 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, it would be awful if congress were to, say, spend enough time to rationally examine energy policy, and pass laws to encourage responsible nuclear power in addition to renewables.

      Yeah, because that would totally happen.

      In the real world, they would pass a 2,000 page Affordable Energy Act that no-one had read, full of pork for hamster farmers.

    62. Re:what? by Virtucon · · Score: 3, Funny

      SO what you're saying is find the nearest emergency exit and throw her out? I'll keep that in mind.

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    63. Re:what? by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      Depends on the regulation. They can help, and they can hurt. They can increase inventiveness or decrease it.

      They only 'increase inventiveness' if you mean 'finding new ways to work around the regulations'.

    64. Re:what? by gl4ss · · Score: 2

      does the legislation have an provision for providing in-flight calls from more expensive seats?

      because fuck, if you just swiped a credit card then inflight calls were available from most "normal",non-budget airline, flights for about two decades now..

      and if that provision is there we know exactly who is lobbying for it. an airline could easily ban phone calls on it's flights if it wants now though, but it's a competitive disadvantage if it's not forced on all.

      they're not going to ban chatting, snoring, crying or any of that shit either so frankly this legislation sounds fucking absurd.

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    65. Re:what? by Talderas · · Score: 1

      I see you subscribe to the universal solution as originally proposed by Javik.

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    66. Re:what? by cshay · · Score: 2

      Disingenious example. Those phones are $5 a minute.

      That can't be compared to a situation where everyone can Skype for free.

    67. Re:what? by slew · · Score: 1

      Here is a thought. An aeroplane is a public place, and you should not necessarily expect quiet on a plane. What next, do you ban people talking to each other on planes because is disturbs your peace and quiet?

      Why not buy some earplugs if you want to drown out the noise around you? Why not let people use their time as productively as they wish.

      If it is a red eye flight, then I fully agree that people should be quiet at certain times. but to mandate it for all flights, whatever the time is ridiculous.

      True story. I was on a flight having an animated conversation with someone (probably a bit louder than we thought) and the flight attendant came over and gave us both a free in-flight movies and a drink in an effort to shut us up (well she was quite disarming polite about it). Don't know if someone complained or if it was a pre-emptive move, but it was quite effective.

      On the other hand, I've seen a passenger yelling at a poor parent that was trying to comfort a baby crying. The flight attendant offered to change that person's seat, but she refused and instead had to find 2 adjacent seat for the parent and his 2 kids (fwiw, I offered mine, but my seat-neighbors weren't willing, maybe they didn't want to sit next to that passenger after all of her yelling).

      Personally, noise doesn't bother me too much, but yelling is much more distracting than a baby crying. I really hate the personal-space battles, though. It's the arm rest tug-o-war that really gets on my nerve. Also the person that want you to hold their drink or put it on your tray table whilst they type a quick note on their monster laptop and that quick note lasts 45-minutes as they go over a presenation and write a few emails (okay that only happened twice, but seriously?). Often, I just pull out a laptop and put it on the tray-table and do nothing just to avoid that situation in the future. As long as their productivity doesn't intrude on my physical space, maybe it's okay...

    68. Re:what? by Hotawa+Hawk-eye · · Score: 2

      ...such as being able to forcibly disembark a passenger immediately upon violating a voice-call prohibition.

      Preferably while in mid-air.

      But all life is sacred, right ???

      Now disembarking their CELL PHONE in mid-air would require a much smaller airlock to prevent the cabin from depressurizing, and would ensure that a first offense (on a particular flight by a particular passenger) likely would be the LAST offense on that flight by that passenger. [If we made it that ALL that passenger's phones were disembarked, it WOULD be the last offense.]

      On a more serious note, we don't need this type of law. All we need is for airlines to have a clearly stated policy, something like "You can talk on your phone, but keep it quiet and short. If other passengers complain, you will be asked to lower your voice or end your call. If you refuse, your phone will be confiscated and returned to you at the end of the flight. Passengers who resist the confiscation will be treated using our existing 'unruly passengers' policies, and as such may be banned from the airline or even may be arrested when we land."

    69. Re:what? by jfengel · · Score: 1

      Well... up until now, airplanes have been reasonably peaceful and quiet. It's been that way for so long that I think it is reasonable to expect it.

      As for earplugs... they're not really all that effective. They're good for dampening certain kinds of noise, but it's far from silent. Even with earplugs in you're going to have no trouble making out the conversation of the person next to you, and that's going to remain distracting.

      I really don't believe that legislation is the answer here. I think there are a lot of alternatives to try first. But this is going to make some people happy at the expense of making a lot of other people very unhappy, and in considering where we go from here I'd ask the people in the former category to not put all of the burden on the latter.

    70. Re:what? by Hotawa+Hawk-eye · · Score: 1

      At the start of my Thanksgiving bus ride, the driver announced that passengers could use their cell phones but asked that users be courteous to other passengers and keep the calls quiet and short. It seemed to work -- the bus ride was fairly quiet, as quiet as a bus full of (I would guess) 50-60 people can be. [Coughing, rustling of papers, quiet conversation with passengers seated next to one another, etc.]

    71. Re:what? by rosencreuz · · Score: 1

      I totally agree. Someone talking to phone next to you can be very annoying especially considering there's no way out of the situation. Actually, people doesn't need phones for talking annoyingly. In my opinion talking during flight should be limited to servicing and emergency purposes.

    72. Re:what? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2, Funny

      Exactly. Correlation != Causation

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      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    73. Re:what? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      And the one about the theater specifically, is surely about as old as affordable cell phone service.

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      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    74. Re:what? by kylemonger · · Score: 1

      God, yes, ban babies on flights. The pressure change messes with their ears and they scream and scream. Ban them or bring back laudanum.

    75. Re:what? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      I'll actually second this, this is a situation where we can let the market decide. Most airlines will ban phone calls after the first few air rage killings and then a few niche airlines will allow calls on which all the annoying cell phone yammerers can fly at a higher price, forcing them to lose more money for their annoying tendency. Everybody wins!

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    76. Re:what? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2

      The cargo hold is pressurized, but not climate-controlled. The only safe path to the outside world that can be used in flight is the sewage dump system, and the entry to it is only so big...

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      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    77. Re:what? by qbast · · Score: 1

      YES.

    78. Re:what? by NoImNotNineVolt · · Score: 1

      I propose a combination technological/regulatory solution to both the yapping cell phone user and wailing baby problems all at once.

      In the back of every seat, install a microphone, two LEDs, and a simple circuit that lights up the "warning" LED when a certain volume threshold is exceeded, and then the "fine" LED when a higher volume threshold is exceeded. When you see the first LED light up, you know to STFU. When you see the second LED light up, you know to open up your wallet. The fine can be payable to the passengers surrounding you, as compensation for exposure to your loudness.

      This will encourage cell phone users to be mindful of their conversations and parents to be mindful of their pet sirens. Anyone unsure of their ability to speak quietly or silence their children will think twice before using their phone or bringing their kid. Anyone that doesn't give a shit about the people around them will at least be suitably punished for their rudeness. And the victims that find themselves in these situations will finally see justice served.

      Offtopic awesomeness: I once had the kid in the seat in front of me puke in their seat. Their vomit actually flowed between the seat cushion and the seat back, directly onto my shoes, pant legs, and small carry-on bag. Not a word from the parent. Not a "heads up, vomit incoming". Even after my overly loud "what the fuck, I think there's vomit all over me", not so much as a "oh that's my child's vomit, I apologize". Nothing. What recourse does a passenger have after being accosted in such a manner?

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    79. Re:what? by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And the one about the theater specifically, is surely about as old as affordable cell phone service.

      Try, as old as theaters, and not just movie theaters, either. There are lots of people who don't need a cell phone to babble on anywhere and everywhere.

    80. Re:what? by Holi · · Score: 1

      It probably predates moving pictures.

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    81. Re:what? by craighansen · · Score: 1

      I don't think laudanum ever went away. I had an elderly doctor prescribe it for one of my children.

    82. Re:what? by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Yep, I agree - and there are already regulations in place to allow the airlines to enforce this. If the captain feels you are causing a disturbance before takeoff he can kick you off the plane - and in rare cases they have made unscheduled landings to remove uncooperative (though usually in that case, violent) passengers.

      Apparently the law has basically been interpreted to mean disobeying a direct order from the flight crew is considered "interfering with flight crew in performance of their duties", which is a Federal offense with up to a 20 year prison sentence!

      And personally, I would choose an airline that prohibits cell phone use when in flight over one that allows it any day.

    83. Re:what? by poetmatt · · Score: 1

      You hinted on the cause. Lamar and Dianne are the who MPAA/RIAA sponsored politicians.

      It's highly likely some recording exec is fearful of phonecalls during movies on airplanes or some other idiotic pretense.

    84. Re:what? by poetmatt · · Score: 1

      *are the*. Sorry, typo.

    85. Re:what? by Shatrat · · Score: 1

      I actually miss smoking sections in restaurants for this reason

      You'd be surprised how good the lunch specials can be at your local bar. Children still can't drink, as far as I know.

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    86. Re:what? by Talderas · · Score: 2

      I actually miss smoking sections in restaurants for this reason, it was much better to eat there as that most parents wouldn't eat in the smoking section. And when I worked in the business back while in school, I found the smoking section folks drank more alcohol and tipped better too, but that's another topic altogether.

      Here's my tips to finding good restaurants to eat at in places with a smoking ban.

      #1 - Preference restaurants with bars and sit in/at the bar. This one is the big one since children are not allowed in the bar and many restaurants that feature a bar area are also sufficiently separated from the general dining area so that even if the restaurant would match a later criteria it's still a good choice.
      #2 - Avoid restaurants with a children's menu or have a quantity of items priced under $10. The lack of low priced items drives away customer's with children. Since the kids will often be a picky eater the parents won't want to spend a lot of money. When you're talking a familiy of four that goes out and a bill that will probably be between $50-60 before taxes, the waste of food would drive a lot of parents mad. The kids menu and cheaper prices usually means smaller portions and much less wasted food that the parent's aren't as bothered by.

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    87. Re:what? by Holi · · Score: 1

      What no crazy guy jacking off in the seat next to your girlfriend? That and the assault charge are why I will never ride a bus again.

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      Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
    88. Re:what? by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Or maybe they could add a new "ejection feature" to the lavatories.

    89. Re:what? by Gryphia · · Score: 1

      Replace "talkers" with "crying babies" and your statement is no less true. Shall we ban babies on flights as well?

      Yes, please!!

      ...

      If you can't or won't control your kids, please keep them at home until they can maintain themselves in public.

      Right, because one can just 'control' kids. It's not like they're thinking, breathing, humans with wills separate from their parents. I mean, I know I always carry a roll of duct tape with me just in case a kid has a meltdown. That way I can just shut them up for the comfort of everyone around me. I also think that because any kid can occasionally cry or melt down, all parents with kids should be banned from going out in public until the kids are at least 10. I think that sounds fair.

      Or, maybe, just realize that the parent is probably more upset by the kind crying than you are. And no doubt trying to do their best to comfort them. Maybe the kid was sick. Or had an earache from the change in the cabin pressure. Or any number of such things. Things completely outside the control of the parent. Kids aren't always rational,

      Here's some nice perspective: http://themattwalshblog.com/2013/09/15/dear-parents-you-need-to-control-your-kids-sincerely-non-parents/

    90. Re:what? by Holi · · Score: 2

      Planes are not the same thing, can you get up and walk out of a plane if the staff can not or will not deal with unruly passengers. on a flight you are imprisoned with everyone else and yes we need regulations to force us to act civilly to each other. It has become quite obvious that in America people have decided that they can and will be assholes to any and everyone if they can get away with it.

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      Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
    91. Re:what? by sabri · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you can't or won't control your kids, please keep them at home until they can maintain themselves in public.

      There is another side to that story. I've been a business traveler for a lot of years, earning Platinum status with Skyteam year after year. I was always annoyed by parents traveling with kids... Until I became a father myself. Unfortunately, it is not always an option to "just keep them home". Family living abroad, a death in the family, there are many reasons why infants and toddlers need to travel.

      Having that said, your frustration should be aimed at the parents who are unprepared. When my (now 2 year old) daughter travels, 90% of our carry-on is toys and food to keep her silent. And usually there are two 10-minute moments that every kid cries: take-off and landing, for obvious reasons. And even the landing noise can be mitigated by feeding the child, especially if it is still an infant. However, I have seen parents doing nothing when their kid screams so loud that the vibration becomes a hazard for the engines. That, my friend, is the person you should vent your frustration at. These parents should be banned from airplanes, and parenthood altogether. The kid is not the nightmare, the parent is.

      On her latest trip, last week from AMS to SFO, my wife was actually complimented about our daughter's behavior by passengers around them. The trick? A fully charged Ipad Mini fully loaded with Dora the Explorer movies.

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    92. Re:what? by sfm · · Score: 1

      Please take note of the names, you folks from CA
      and TN. Maybe there are other candidates for
      the Senate that would be MUCH BETTER at the
      job.

      Lamar Alexander (R-TN)
      Dianne Feinstein (D-CA)

    93. Re:what? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      You'd be surprised how good the lunch specials can be at your local bar. Children still can't drink, as far as I know.

      Actually I often like to dine at the bar....gets me closer to my drinks, and a good tip goes even further at the bar, with the person POURING your beverages of choice.

      That, and if you happen to be dining alone, the TV is there, and also, you can generally smoke in a bar.

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    94. Re:what? by craighansen · · Score: 1

      Actually, I need to correct myself. The doctor prescribed paregoric, which is a similar, but weaker tincture of opium. However, as far as I can see from some wikipedia checking, both are still available from pharmacies.

    95. Re:what? by EdIII · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're still missing the point. (God I hate airplanes so freakin much)

      An airplane is NOT a public space.

      It's a pressurized little container where people are jammed packed like little fucking sardines. The average seat size has been reduced due to greed, while the average ass size has only gone up.

      So it's greatly uncomfortable as it is. Let's add to it ridiculously uncomfortable seats, and the fact they can recline annihilating the space for the passenger behind you. Your option? Recline your seat as well to reclaim the space. Last row that can't recline. You're fucked dude.

      You got problems with poor circulation and neuropathy? Ehhh, fuck you and stay sitting period. You can't even get up to stretch your legs unless it's the weak pretense of going to bathroom, and there are only two of those SOB's on most flights.

      Then there is biggest restraint. It's a pressurized fucking container moving 500+ mph through the sky and you can't leave .

      It's not a public space by any stretch of the imagination. It's an agreed upon temporary prison not designed for comfort at all with the sole purpose of ferrying your ass as fast as possible between two points.

      So let's be pragmatic in the approach and not so high and mighty about who gets to do what and how freedom shall not be tarnished and the wings of liberty can't lose a feather.

      Can I leave that environment at any time when some asshat like you thinks I should just spend my money for sensory deprivation equipment because you want to dominate the space with your loud incessant talking on the phone? You might want to think that through for a sec....

      Cuz... I will fucking kill you. They will pull you off that plane with peanuts jammed up your nose, and that life raft/vest/fart-catcher sticking out your ass. Ohh, and I will be wearing your fucking ears around my neck as a sign of my kill.

      I'm not trapped on that plane with you, you're trapped on that plane with me. I'm uncomfortable. I'm pissed off that the TSA didn't lube up on that pseudo random investigations they do for security theater. I'm possibly a little dehydrated cuz I didn't want to spend 10$ for a bottle of water and $3m USD for that turkey panini to raise my blood sugar up. It's not just me either. Keep that in mind.

      You're general audience is pissed off (at least to some extent), frustrated, uncomfortable, hungry, dehydrated, dealing with snotty children and babies, and CAPTIVE . Good luck if you want to be the asshole and become the center of attention.

      P.S - Having a conversation with another travelling passenger at a reasonable volume is just fine. You should just be civilized and keep in mind that nobody has the choice but to put up with you, and they have no where to go.

    96. Re:what? by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      I don't think your political speech rights are seriously infringed by waiting to get off of the plane to talk to someone. I'm not even sure that a telephone has been used for political speech, but I'm sure if one crowd can come up with an example, it will be the Slashdot crowd.

      Now if they passed a bill that said you can't criticize the President while on an airplane, that would be something different altogether.

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    97. Re:what? by LordLimecat · · Score: 2

      Theres some kind of irony in you crying about this in public.

    98. Re:what? by Talderas · · Score: 1

      My first thought was that these Senators disagreed with the findings that cellphone usage on airplanes was safe and thus are pushing their flawed incorrect view.

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      "Lack of speed can be overcome. In the worst case by patience." --Znork
    99. Re:what? by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Indeed. They just decided to get along and pass a budget deal, and they managed to make a whole 3% reduction in the deficit. Wow. That will stave off our bankruptcy by a month, at least.

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    100. Re:what? by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 1

      And how is this a legitimate function of government?

    101. Re:what? by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      The only safe path to the outside world that can be used in flight is the sewage dump system, and the entry to it is only so big...

      The pressurization control system in a large modern aircraft is a system-controlled hole at the back end of the plane. Considering the pressure differential, throwing someone up against that hole, perhaps headfirst top make things more like the birth process, would result in the desired consequences. It would also provide a reminder to others of the penalty involved as their ears popped during the short burst of extra air pressure, and then the sudden release.

    102. Re:what? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Or had an earache from the change in the cabin pressure.

      That seems like a common cause. I sat near a kid who screamed almost continuously from when the plane was over 500 feet until it got within 500 feet of landing. The poor parents tried everything and seemed at their wits' end. Didn't stop a bunch of douche bags giving them the stink-eye near continuously.

      That's not to say there aren't assholey parents who just let their kids run riot. Nonetheless, I'm not a parent and I don't like kids but I've experienced far worse behaviour from adults on flights than from kids.

      Kids aren't always rational,

      Neither are adults. However adults have generally got a little bet better at hiding it and rationalising.

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    103. Re:what? by EdIII · · Score: 1

      That's because we are living in the most narcissistic generation of all time. We have never seen such levels of entitlement in little shits, and it has strangely become more acceptable for adults to act like this.

      I'm not a Luddite, but I do blame technology and social networking. It's immediate gratification and the addictive quality of the communications in general that slowly convince people that their world really does revolve around only them. How dare you cut them off from their reality augmented with continuous flows of superficial information about their "friends"?

      In any case, the problem in a nutshell, is a complete lack of empathy. Before somebody acts it's generally wise and considerate to evaluate the affect of your actions on everyone else, and then employ something radical today... common sense. Perhaps a bit of the Golden Rule would be helpful too.

      Instead of the very first reaction to the curtailment of your immediate gratification being a violent ego-induced whine about how you are being oppressed, and that freedom is important, it might just be a little empathy of the other person and an honest unbiased assessment of the situation.

      Yeah.... good luck with that. I stopped going to movies too after the first 3 incidents of the police having to come out to stop me from putting my foot literally down some young person's neck because they would not stop talking at full volume during the movie.

      I gave up on peaceful enjoyment in that environment a long time ago.

      Be damned though if I put up with on an airplane where I paid hundreds of dollars and can't escape though...

    104. Re:what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh man, those terrible cell phone people.

      It's a good thing our society has you in it instead, a person willing to murder others for using cell phones nearby.

      But I begin to wonder...honestly, if a person can't be bothered not to murder someone on a plane what makes you think they'll be polite elsewhere?

    105. Re:what? by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      "Are they going to ban them in restaurants next? Movie theaters? What an idiotic premise!"

      Since when has Feinstein ever been known to be logical?

      For that matter, when has she ever been known to have a real sense of "fairness"? I distrust her motives. Nearly everything she has done has been on the side of "controlling people".

    106. Re:what? by LanMan04 · · Score: 2

      Rammed through?

      Only due to 60 votes being the "new normal" to get any legislation to a vote.

      So it was only ramming through if we agree the GOP was *again* making egregious misuse of the filibuster. Otherwise, it's just business as usual for both sides.

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    107. Re: what? by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 1

      I don't understand how you can compare someone talking in a (presumably) normal voice to someone using an artificial noisemaking instrument.

      Is it just that you can't eavesdrop on both sides of the conversation? Is that what bugs people about other peoples' cell phone usage in their vicinity? Because I've gotta say, I'm at a complete loss here. I don't understand the issue at all.

    108. Re:what? by macbeth66 · · Score: 1

      What the heck is a hamster farmer going to do with pork?

      Oh...

    109. Re:what? by EdIII · · Score: 2

      Oooohhhh... that one.

      I was in an older hotel once and a couple across the border from Mexico would not stop smoking in the non-smoking room next to me. The smoke would come under the door and across through the ventilation.

      Complained at least 9 times till they moved me to a bigger suite across the hotel... since they could not get this guy to stop smoking. I knew he was Mexican and across the border (they come over to spend money in the large outlet malls) since he would scream every time they knocked on the door telling him to stop. You could tell he was pissed off and it could not get through his thick skull that his behavior was unwanted, not allowed, and selfish.

      Next day he went completely ape shit during check out because they charged his card over a hundred dollars in fines for repeated attempts to smoke throughout the night. I got to see his face.

      It was a lot more satisfying than it sounds.

    110. Re:what? by macbeth66 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      They aren't lying. They really do mean that. But the quote is incomplete. The Republicans favor less Democratic government.

    111. Re:what? by EdIII · · Score: 1

      Don't also forget that it is the Emirates based out of Dubai.

      I'm willing to bet the average passenger is possessing of a little more manners and decorum due to their culture.

      What we are talking about here are Americans. The average ones that take flights. The current generation.

      It's disingenuous because you are comparing primitive apes flinging poo to more civilized societies around the world. Not saying Dubai is vastly more civilized or anything, just that it doesn't take much to be more civil in public than the average American these days.

      Yeah, that's really freakin sad too.

      Yes, the younger generation today (20-30) is nothing more than primitive apes flinging poo. I'll apologize to them sincerely if one of them can sit more than 10 minutes in complete silence with no technology without starting to fidget or cry.

    112. Re:what? by AK+Marc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "let them eat cake"

      I thought the Republican plan was "let them eat rats (from the gutter they are living in)."

    113. Re:what? by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      I'd rather that congress not focus. Comittees focus, the body as a whole synthesizes the work of the various commitees.

    114. Re:what? by EdIII · · Score: 1

      I just fell in love with the Alamo Drafthouse.

      I would absolutely pay extra money for an establishment that is militant about no texting and talking during movies.

      Wish they had one around me. Only place I would go.

    115. Re:what? by bonehead · · Score: 2

      I thought it was "The United States of Anything I Don't Like Needs to be Made Illegal Because I'm a Self-Righteous, Entitled Douchebag".

    116. Re:what? by DexterIsADog · · Score: 1

      Holy crap, calm down Captain Hulk! I made a lighthearted remark about the proliferation of airline fees. Didn't "tell a business how much they can or can't charge".

      Unbunch your panties, please.

    117. Re:what? by DexterIsADog · · Score: 2

      Well, if you keep your expectations low, I guess you won't be disappointed. Too bad you live that way, though.

    118. Re:what? by DexterIsADog · · Score: 1

      "bankruptcy" That's it, there's the word that indicates you don't know how this nation's finances work. Hint; it's different than they way corporations work.

    119. Re:what? by MightyYar · · Score: 2

      It was meant to be rhetorical.

      How about "it will stave off our fiscal crises by a month, at least"?

      If the country has to buy its own debt and pay interest to itself to avoid default, that is in many respects the same thing as printing money. Just wait until interest rates go up and people realize that we need to use most of our discretionary budget just to pay interest.

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    120. Re: what? by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      Not as small as some mid-western towns but small enough. You got all that from my writing style? Very good observation.

      Eating somewhere else would have meant buffet type restaurant {I hate buffets}, fast food, or a 30 mile drive. The waitress would have been more likely to cry or quit before she would have kicked anyone out of the restaurant.

    121. Re:what? by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Here is a thought. An aeroplane is a public place

      An airplane is private property of the airlines.

      You pay them for the privilege of being crammed into them, but they most assuredly are not 'public' in the sense you mean.

      Why not let people use their time as productively as they wish.

      Why not have your conference call somewhere else? You don't need to sit on a 4 hour flight telling everybody about the TPS reports, and none of the rest of us give a damn about your productivity unless you can do it quietly.

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    122. Re:what? by bonehead · · Score: 1

      Maybe we could let the airlines figure this out, rather than having Congress make laws.

      Agreed. I'm sick of all the idiots in this country whose first solution to any and every problem is "pass a law".

      The government already has their nose way to far up our asses. We need FEWER laws, not more.

    123. Re:what? by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      The theater where I live, and it's a small town, has ushers that basically just flirt with the girls at the candy stand so no help there.

      If I drive 30 miles I can go to theater with actual security and tasers so it doesn't have the kids playing or loud cell phone people but it's so crowded and expensive {$5 for a 12oz bottled water?!?!?} that I rarely go there either.

    124. Re:what? by bonehead · · Score: 2

      Well, if you keep your expectations low, I guess you won't be disappointed. Too bad you live that way, though.

      Live what way? With a realistic view of how the world works, based on decades of observation?

    125. Re:what? by DexterIsADog · · Score: 2

      If you always expect shit, you'll always get shit. Fortunately enough of us expect better that we occasionally get something good.

    126. Re:what? by DexterIsADog · · Score: 3

      Ah, yes, the inflation boogey man. Good one.

      Also, you don't seem to know the meaning of the word "rhetorical". I'll be there are a lot of words you don't know the meaning of. Natter on, I'm sure I'll read your reply.

    127. Re:what? by seyyah · · Score: 1

      Try, as old as theaters, and not just movie theaters, either. There are lots of people who don't need a cell phone to babble on anywhere and everywhere.

      Yeah but with phones you only need one in the audience.

    128. Re:what? by tc3driver · · Score: 1

      We should ban talking altogether. Terrorists have been known to use speech in training as well as in the execution of terrorist attacks. Child pornographers and drug cartels are also frequent users of speech.

      We should ban breathing as well... terrorists, child pornographers, drug cartels, users, criminals, illegals, and bad guys all breath.

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    129. Re:what? by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      OK, I'll bite on your ad hominem. I was using rhetoric in this sense:

      "rhetoric:
      language that is intended to influence people and that may not be honest or reasonable"

      That is, even though I know full well that the federal government can't go "bankrupt", I used the word anyway. Thus, I was being rhetorical.

      Was there something of substance that you wanted to discuss, or are you just being a seagull?

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    130. Re:what? by bonehead · · Score: 1

      Something good? Out of congress?

      When was the last time that happened? Snarkiness aside, I seriously can't think of anything within the past decade, at least.

    131. Re: what? by Krishnoid · · Score: 1

      Live music on a flight? I'd pay extra for that.

    132. Re:what? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      In most cases "government mandates fees" are lies, told by the airlines to hide price increases. There has never been anything that indicated the government fees (if any) must be explicitly enumerated. But they always are, even when not what they sound like.

      But yes, we should do a better job to shop for "all included" airlines. Simplicity should be rewarded.

    133. Re:what? by MRe_nl · · Score: 1

      "Burn the plane and boil the sea, you can't take my phone from me" fits better to the melody imo.

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    134. Re:what? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      What function does government serve, if not to dictate how we may act?

    135. Re:what? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Right, because one can just 'control' kids. It's not like they're thinking, breathing, humans with wills separate from their parents. I mean, I know I always carry a roll of duct tape with me just in case a kid has a meltdown. That way I can just shut them up for the comfort of everyone around me. I also think that because any kid can occasionally cry or melt down, all parents with kids should be banned from going out in public until the kids are at least 10. I think that sounds fair.

      So...the rest of us are supposed to suffer in silence, because someone decided to fuck without protection, and won't control the results of said copulation?

      People would be more understanding of the situation if the parents would even ATTEMPT to try to control, console or keep the kids noise emission to at least a low 120dB.

      But they don't...they let the little dears scream bloody murder and/or kick or bump the seat in front of them continuously, or sometimes, even better...just let the run around free in the aisles of the restaurants, planes or whatever.

      No...if you fuck and decide to keep the result of that night in bed, then you need to be responsible for the actions of your progeny, and keep them under control or at least TRY so that the rest of us can see you are at least attempting to discipline them.

      Geez, when I was that young, and I did that...at least one of my parents would jerk my ass up and take me outside (not on a plane here, mind you) and wear my ass out, and once I calmed down and could behave, and only then...did I get to come back in.

      My parents actually left some restaurants when I did not calm down, etc. rather than piss everyone else off.

      I know you can really get off a plane..but at least let the rest of us see you attempt to quieten the kid, eh? It is still as annoying as all get out, but you'll at least be more tolerated and get some sympathy if you just try to quell little Tommy's vocal blasts.

      And if at all possible...try to teach public behavior at home before you bring little Sissy out in public so that this won't be the first time she's ever been called upon to act civilly, to not throw food everywhere, not to walk about bothering other patrons, etc.

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    136. Re:what? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Offtopic awesomeness: I once had the kid in the seat in front of me puke in their seat. Their vomit actually flowed between the seat cushion and the seat back, directly onto my shoes, pant legs, and small carry-on bag. Not a word from the parent. Not a "heads up, vomit incoming". Even after my overly loud "what the fuck, I think there's vomit all over me", not so much as a "oh that's my child's vomit, I apologize". Nothing. What recourse does a passenger have after being accosted in such a manner?

      You could get nauseated by the puke on you...and return the favor by standing up, and while "trying" to get to the bathroom, puke back on the kid and the parent?

      :P

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    137. Re:what? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      iPhones from heaven?

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    138. Re:what? by mysidia · · Score: 1

      It should be up to the airlines whether or not allowing voice calls would cater to their passengers, but airlines should have leeway on how they enforce their policy, such as being able to forcibly disembark a passenger immediately upon violating a voice-call prohibition.

      I suppose this is acceptable, but if they want to kick a passenger off a plane in-flight, then they must provide a parachute.

    139. Re:what? by Mike+Buddha · · Score: 1

      Why don't they just ban people who don't like listening to other people's phone calls on flights? Simpler. Make's a whole lot more sense.

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    140. Re:what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes it's called the Alamo Drafthouse.

      This person is why Cell Phones need to be banned on airplanes in this country. If I had to listen to her talk endlessly on a flight I'd probably look for the nearest emergency exit and throw her out! Yeah, there'd be collateral damage but honestly if a person can't be bothered to not use their phone in a theater what makes you think that they'll be polite on a plane?

      There is no difference between talking with your neighbour during the flight versus talking on the phone during the flight. In both cases the flight attendants can ask people to keep their voice down when appropriate (e.g. night flight) but apart from that recognize that people in crowds talk. No reason to make a drama out of it.

    141. Re:what? by pellik · · Score: 1

      Yeah, at least get up and walk the kid around to share the misery equally.

    142. Re:what? by jonwil · · Score: 1

      +1 to this, anyone who wants to make voice calls (of any kind including VoIP) can pay extra to sit in the "voice calls allowed" section. Businesspeople and such who will gain advantage by being able to make calls in flight can just expense the extra cost to the company along with their ticket. (after all, people these days already expense things like in-flight WiFi if they get benefit from having internet access on the plane)

    143. Re:what? by pellik · · Score: 1

      Or maybe just ban mouth-breathing.

    144. Re:what? by Huge_UID · · Score: 1

      In a restaurant, I can ask my waitress to tell you to STFU. If she fails to, I can (and will) walk out.

      And in an airplane, I can ask the cabin crew to tell you to STFU. The cabin crew will, because they would rather shut down an asshole on the phone than deal with a planeload of pissed off passengers. And the cellphone user will comply once a few assholes are fined $25,000. http://www.faa.gov/data_research/passengers_cargo/unruly_passengers/

    145. Re:what? by Ostrich25 · · Score: 1

      Forget it. Getting rid of Obamacare won't lower your health insurance premiums a bit. It's like gasoline, once the price goes up, it doesn't come back down again.

    146. Re: what? by Adriax · · Score: 1

      You can't feed pork to hamsters!
      It gives them horrible gas...

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    147. Re:what? by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 1

      Some people are crazy enough to think that the government should only dictate how we act when our actions harm others.

    148. Re: what? by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      I don't understand how you can compare someone talking in a (presumably) normal voice to someone using an artificial noisemaking instrument.

      You can't. And if we could somehow guarantee this, I wouldn't complain.

      I'm, unfortunately, one of those people who's voice goes up a few decibels when I'm talking on the phone. I don't know why, it just does. I've had friends who pointed this out to me and I make an effort to not talk on the phone in public spaces because I know that, even if I'm aware of it and make an effort, sometimes I will forget and start being loud.

      In other words, I'm definitely the guy you don't want to be sitting next to on an airplane if I'm using the phone. Heck, you probably don't want to be within three rows of me.

      Now, I can see the argument against a complete ban. Heck, not all of us live a convenient distance from an airport. If my flight is running late due to headwinds over Nebraska, it would be thoughtful of me to tell my sister who's driving for an hour to come pick me up that I'll be about 15 minutes late. I'm sure there are plenty of examples of nice short conversations that nobody would have a complaint with--even if they were done by a loudmouth.

      From a safety standpoint, though, it's worthwhile to not have a noisy cabin. There are various lighted signs, placards, and crew instructions that must be obeyed. Picture a bunch of people yakking on the phone when the pilot asks everybody to fasten their seat belts. Sure the little light comes on, but you're not paying attention. Then the plane drops three feet and a bunch of people get hurt. These people promptly sue the airlines for millions of dollars because the airline didn't make enough of an effort to warn them of turbulence.

    149. Re:what? by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      And the cellphone user will comply once a few assholes are fined $25,000.

      First, frankly, the difference between a restaurant and an airplane is that the restaurant can "ask you to leave" (I use the term loosely--they can tell you leave and can enforce it.) The airplane cannot really do that, unless they want to spend time and money. As much as we joke about throwing people out the door, they can't really do that.

      I'm not sure which would be worse: sitting next to a jerk on a phone for 5 hours or being on a 7 hour flight because some jerk with a cellphone who isn't following the orders of the flight attendant is causing the flight to make an unscheduled stop in Omaha, Nebraska to dump said unruly passenger.

      Second, airlines can obviously call the cops on passengers who are breaking FAA regulations once they land. But if one airline allows people to talk on the phone and the other airline doesn't and the one that doesn't asks the FAA to fine a passenger who was not breaking any law, I don't think that would really work. So if the Flight Attendent asks me to put away my phone and I don't, what are they going to do? I know that, in theory, you can get be fined for not doing what an FA tells you to do. But I don't know if that's true if what you're doing is against an "airline policy" versus an "FAA regulation."

    150. Re:what? by Entropius · · Score: 1

      This is exactly what happened with the MARC train. There's a quiet car where you can't blab, and other cars where you can.

      Of course, you can't go back and forth on a plane, but people can probably predict their desire to blab ahead of time. I would prefer also a baby/no baby division, too.

    151. Re:what? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      That sounds like an agreement that the government should dictate our actions, and then we can open a separate debate on which actions do or don't fall under their purview.

    152. Re:what? by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      Too many different charges can cause confusopoly,which is worse than a monopoly. Monopoly at least has the advantage of non duplication of effort, confusopoly needs a huge effort to keep going.

      Effect on customer is the same - lack of the ability to choose. Regulations have to be equally serious about both - which sometimes involves telling businesses what they can charge their customers.

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    153. Re: what? by SCPRedMage · · Score: 1

      Considering the original was "you can't take the sky from me", yeah, the "away" throws the melody off.

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    154. Re:what? by sjames · · Score: 1

      I'm not so sure it would be that bad if our currency was devalued a bit. It would make cheapo Chinese electronics more expensive here, but it would also tip the scales back towards domestic manufacturing. We're not as dependent on foreign oil as we used to be.

    155. Re:what? by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Don't get me wrong, inflation can be good. In fact, the reason you list is a kind of good inflation. Labor rates hardly ever go down - or at least they are slow to respond - so in effect you can fix that by devaluing the money. But that's not what we are doing with QE, or at least it is not the stated reason. It could be that the policy makers just aren't fessing up, because how could a politician run on a platform of wage reduction? I'm just worried that with this precedent they will pull stunts like QE when the labor market is healthy. That will most certainly be bad.

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    156. Re:what? by DexterIsADog · · Score: 1

      You must be pretty ignorant of the news, then. You should go educate yourself. I'll avoid distracting you by not replying to, or reading anything else you post.

    157. Re:what? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      The only thing I saw cayenne8 supporting was getting the fuck rid of Obamacare so we can all have affordable health insurance again.

      And by "we ... all" you obviously mean those people with jobs offering health insurance, people w/o preexisting conditions and children 18 and under, because w/o the ACA insurance - or at least good, effective insurance, that cannot be canceled on a whim by the insurance company - isn't affordable to most people otherwise, or certainly if they actually get sick and need/use said insurance.

      Yes, I understand that some people will see a rise in their premiums, but - as far as I understand - that is usually accompanied by better or more comprehensive coverage. Many/most people will see a drop in their premiums (when comparing apples to apples), despite what Fox News and the Republicans would have your believe. Granted, I don't understand why coverage for males must also include OB/GYN care, but I suspect it's to spread the costs around (whether that make any sense is another discussion).

      I imagine we'll continue to disagree about this. For perspective, some people bitched about Medicare when it started, but w/o it most (retired) people over 65 would not have any health insurance as *no* company would provide affordable coverage to old, sick people by choice - not very profitable, you know.

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    158. Re: what? by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      Exactly. 90% of the time when some stranger starts up a conversation I end up praying their phone will ring and they'll get involved in a long call. Without me.

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    159. Re: what? by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      Can you still buy cell phone jammer kits anywhere?

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    160. Re:what? by antdude · · Score: 1

      "The cake is a lie."

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    161. Re: what? by EdIII · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure about that.

      Plus, I'm a little hesitant to do something like that. What if an old man has a heart attack and his wife or daughter tries calling 911?

      It's better that the ability to use it is there, just that the knowledge you will be beaten to a pulp unless you have a life or death excuse for using it is there too.

    162. Re:what? by illtud · · Score: 1

      Who modded this +5?

      Even the summary mentions this possibility: if you make a 'silent zone' then the airlines will make this a premium option that costs more. I'm not commenting on the merits of the bill, just that pointing out that a comment suggesting something that's mentioned in the acutal summary (I haven't RTFL) shouldn't be modded insightful.

    163. Re:what? by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 1

      Well, I don't think anyone (sane) would argue that the government should have no power at all to enforce laws. It's just that a government that is omnipresent enough to keep you from talking on a cell phone on an airplane just because it annoys people is also powerful enough to prohibit something perfectly reasonable that you want to do, too.

      Nobody on here seems to understand that.

    164. Re:what? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      It's just that a government that is omnipresent enough to keep you from talking on a cell phone on an airplane just because it annoys people is also powerful enough to prohibit something perfectly reasonable that you want to do, too.
      Nobody on here seems to understand that.

      It seems to me that some people are so interested in "winning" an argument that they don't care what other people understand. The government need not be omnipresent to ban talking on cell phones. All it would take is one minor statement. It's already a federal crime to disobey a flight attendant. So instruct flight attendants to order no talking on cell phones. The effect is the same, and the laws are already in place to enforce it. Again, you are arguing the how, without looking at the what or the why.

      I would presume you think it should be legal to emotionally abuse people (probably because you think emotional abuse isn't real). And nothing should be illegal because it's insulting or offensive.

      Of course, that also makes you anti-democracy. As if 99% of the population wants something to be illegal, you think the "mob rule" should be ignored, if they disagree with you.

      Am I close?

    165. Re:what? by ah.clem · · Score: 1

      But all life is sacred, right ???

      Actually, no. Please do not attribute those words to me, as I never said anything like that. I suspect you are projecting your own feelings/beliefs onto me. I agree that all living things have a right to continue living without someone else stopping that life unless they have violated the laws that the majority of the beings they live with feel are worthy of life termination.

      The word "scared" implies a belief in something magical and/or supernatural. I am not superstitious nor do I believe in magic; I believe that we are organic creatures that have certain obligations to all other living creatures, but there is nothing mystical or magical about any form of life, just things we don't fully understand yet. Just because I don't understand something fully does not mean I have to ascribe a supernatural attribute to it; I am comfortable saying that I do not fully understand it yet and let it go at that. Just my opinion.

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    166. Re:what? by bonehead · · Score: 1

      In other words, you couldn't think of anything, either.

    167. Re:what? by DexterIsADog · · Score: 1

      What, are you still here? Go, educate yourself!

    168. Re:what? by bonehead · · Score: 1

      No need, I've been following politics for (most likely) longer than you've been alive.

      Had the federal government accomplished anything beneficial to society in recent decades, I would be aware of it. They simply haven't done so. Due in no small part, I'm sure, that they haven't tried. Their primary goal and intention is to benefit themselves, and their corporate donors. THAT they have done an amazing job of.

    169. Re:what? by DexterIsADog · · Score: 1

      Okay, it's clear you're impervious to any facts that would contradict your established world view, so I won't waste my time. You said the federal government has not accomplished "anything" beneficial to society in recent decades. I admire your black and white mindset.

      But way to play the "I'm older than you, so I must know better" card. Too bad it's a swing and a miss. I have ties older than half the professionals who report to me. My worldview is based on experience, education, and intelligence.

    170. Re:what? by bonehead · · Score: 1

      My worldview is based on experience, education, and intelligence.

      Experience? Maybe.
      Education? Sure. Your worldview definitely seems consistent with that of someone who has spent too much time immersed in the fantasy-land of academia, rather than in the real world.
      Intelligence? I have my doubts, since you think your long winded arguments are a sufficient substitute for providing a single example. They're not.

  2. i'll make sure my kids make lots of noise by alen · · Score: 2

    since its ok to talk on a cell phone, ok for my kids to vocalize themselves as well

    1. Re:i'll make sure my kids make lots of noise by C_Kode · · Score: 1

      I will make sure to bring my fog horn on board too!

    2. Re:i'll make sure my kids make lots of noise by macbeth66 · · Score: 1

      A small plastic whistle will come in handy...

    3. Re:i'll make sure my kids make lots of noise by malignant_minded · · Score: 1

      Don't they already? Not to sound a jerk but respecting others is the only reason people are expected to not be yelling on a plane. You shouldn't talk on a phone during a movie at the theater and for the most part this is a non issue that society ad hears to out of respect for others. Taking a flight to Miami during spring break will probably not be the quietest flight you have taken simply because most passengers are gearing up to party and they out number the norms of society at that moment. But your other flights are mostly quiet because everyone has pretty much agreed that talking loudly on a plane is rude and therefore don't engage in this behavior. Why should we treat cell phones differently? I would think most people would text anyway.
      Kids crying on a plane doesn't really bother me because they are kids. By all means, as a parent please try and have some control over your kids by setting an example on how they should behave but people getting angry at kids whose world is so small and who don't know how to control their feelings and emotions is ridiculous in my opinion. Kids grow up just like we all did, mostly. As a society we will always "suffer" through their growth. I try and push past my annoyance and actually enjoy trying to figure out their behaviors at these times and think back on the stupid things I use to think were such big problems when I was a kid. I'm sure I pissed off plenty of adults in my youth. I am in a public place with tons of people operating on different time zones and I can't really expect kids, teens, and adults to respect my wishes so I need to adjust my outlook on these encounters and prepare for them. /me puts in earbuds.

    4. Re:i'll make sure my kids make lots of noise by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      since its ok to talk on a cell phone, ok for my kids to vocalize themselves as well

      One of my worst flight experiences involved a several hour long flight out of San Francisco.

      Some lady had her annoying lap-dog in one of those little carrier bags. The dog barked incessantly the whole flight. At one point, there was a very real risk that dog was not going to survive the flight, because every passenger on the plane had had enough of it. The cabin crew ended up giving out free drinks to a lot of the other passengers, giving out free headphones, and glaring at the lady with the dog -- if they hadn't appeased the rest of us, I believe there is a high probability someone would have wrung it's neck.

      Kids, well, people have kids and there's not much we can do about it. But your barking dog in the plane cabin, it might not make it through alive.

      And I predict you might find the same thing happening if someone was on the phone for half the flight. Because it's going to have the effect of REALLY pissing people off.

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    5. Re:i'll make sure my kids make lots of noise by Entropius · · Score: 1

      s/fog horn/vuvuzela

    6. Re:i'll make sure my kids make lots of noise by Dragonslicer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      s/fog horn/vuvuzela

      No jury in the world would ever convict the guy that kills you.

    7. Re:i'll make sure my kids make lots of noise by Jethro · · Score: 1

      You're on a plane. There's a decent chance you'll be in a country where they don't have juries.

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    8. Re:i'll make sure my kids make lots of noise by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 1

      My worst flight involved a severely obese man moving to the middle seat of my row to flirt with a blonde woman in the aisle seat. I thought I was going to be crushed against the window for most of the 2.5 hour flight. He would ignore my requests for more room and it seemed that after repeated requests he started to actively push against me. The only highlight of the flight was that the flight attendant looked away while I assaulted the man with my elbows.

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    9. Re:i'll make sure my kids make lots of noise by Holi · · Score: 1

      And this whole thread just proves my point.

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  3. What? by Nemyst · · Score: 1

    And that's different from talking with the person next to you how, exactly? If people can't respect basic social manners, they won't respect them regardless of how. If it's not a phone it'll be something else. This is why we have personnel on board the airplanes.

  4. Wait, what? by chinton · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Do they really have nothing more pressing to deal with than legislating common courtesy?

    1. Re:Wait, what? by X0563511 · · Score: 2

      Yes. But they seem hell-bent on not doing it.

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    2. Re:Wait, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes common courtesy, but there are so f*cking many jerks and morons that have no clue what courtesy is...

    3. Re:Wait, what? by macbeth66 · · Score: 1

      What will you do when a drunk manager is shrieking into his phone at his sad minions?

    4. Re:Wait, what? by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Congress regularly has to regulate what anyone would consider common courtesy.
      What do you think the Do Not Call list and the Commercial Advertisement Loudness Mitigation (CALM) Act are?

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    5. Re:Wait, what? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      > Do they really have nothing more pressing to deal with than legislating common courtesy?

      That's why governments exist in the first place.

      Most people need adult supervision.

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    6. Re:Wait, what? by csumpi · · Score: 1

      Not really. Their pockets are already stuffed, and they can stuff them more in the back rooms without doing any of that pesky legislative stuff.

      And this is important to them. They don't like to be awaken by someone chitchatting next to them, when they fly around on first class.

      So the solution is either this, or we have to buy them all private planes. They are just doing us a favor, by saving that cost.

    7. Re:Wait, what? by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

      While I agree that a law against phone calls on planes is stupid, I wouldn't lump the Do Not Call list into that. With phone calls on planes, consumers have a choice. You can not fly on or complain to airlines that permit this. If they get enough complaints/lost revenue, they'll ban it without the need for legislation.

      With the Do Not Call list, though, there were companies calling people to solicit them. These people didn't have the option of just not getting these calls. You could demand to be taken off that caller's list only to find yourself on three more lists. The Do Not Call list made sure that people could say "I don't WANT these calls" and that they would stop. (It's not perfect. Nonprofit and political calls still go through, but it was an improvement.) This was the perfect example of how government should be used. An industry refused to police their own behavior and was harassing individuals so the government steps in and says "You're going to abide by these rules (designed to be as minimally invasive as possible while still being effective) or else."

      Having government enforce good manners between two people is something completely different (and completely unneeded).

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    8. Re:Wait, what? by fnj · · Score: 1

      Most people need adult supervision.

      Let me guess, but of course YOU don't, right?

    9. Re:Wait, what? by ai4px · · Score: 1

      The do not call registry hasn't stopped telemarketers from calling.... but it works great for me.... it means that ANY company I get a call is a scam.

    10. Re:Wait, what? by Holi · · Score: 1

      If this courtesy were common we wouldn't be having this conversation.

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    11. Re:Wait, what? by kbolino · · Score: 1

      Completely ineffective?

    12. Re:Wait, what? by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      Having government enforce good manners between two people is something completely different (and completely unneeded).

      Harassment, stalking, loud noises, public nuisances, attractive nuisances, public indecency, etc etc etc
      These are all things that the government regulates in order to enforce good manners between two people.

      At the bare minimum, we'd need the government to craft laws that allow us to to stop drunk people when they start acting like assholes.
      We'd also need the government to keep people from stepping all over the frequencies you use for your wireless devices.
      The FCC eventually came into existence because amateurs were forging naval messages, cursing on the airwaves, and issuing fake distress signals.

      You may take it for granted, but the fabric of society is knitted together by "unneeded" laws that enforce "good manners" upon us all.

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    13. Re:Wait, what? by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't term harassment and stalking as "good manners laws." They come into play when someone refuses to leave another person alone to the point that the person doesn't feel safe. It's a big stretch from "talked on a cell phone on an airplane" to "hiding out in the bushes outside someone's house because the person you're stalking went over there." The former is annoying but not harmful the latter can lead to real harm.

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  5. Planes have had phones for years by MetalliQaZ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not cell phones, but there have definitely been phones available. Some planes even had handsets embedded in the back of the headrests.

    Also, I have always left my phone on in flights. It doesn't get a signal at altitude, and definitely not over the middle of the ocean. It's really only when you are near takeoff or landing.

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    1. Re:Planes have had phones for years by perpenso · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not cell phones, but there have definitely been phones available. Some planes even had handsets embedded in the back of the headrests.

      And their high cost has moderated their usage. Cell phone usage would be quite different.

    2. Re:Planes have had phones for years by Martin+Blank · · Score: 4, Informative

      The cost moderated the usage so much that they're mostly no longer enabled even if they're present. The remaining service will be shutting down completely at the end of this year.

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    3. Re:Planes have had phones for years by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      FAA safety stuff aside, this is FCC -- rapid transitions between towers (you travel a mile in 4-5 seconds) confuses the cell phone system. That's why the ban at altitude.

      I assume this has been addressed in recent years.

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    4. Re:Planes have had phones for years by k6mfw · · Score: 1

      Not cell phones, but there have definitely been phones available. Some planes even had handsets embedded in the back of the headrests.

      I thought they got rid of those years ago after 9-11. I remember prior and these phones were useful, there have been a few times when I had to make short but important calls.

      I have always left my phone on in flights. It doesn't get a signal at altitude, and definitely not over the middle of the ocean. It's really only when you are near takeoff or landing.

      This is what confuses me. We know many people were making cell calls from the doomed planes of 9-11 but also I've read about skydivers trying to make cellphone calls while under canopy. The idea was while after free fall portion and deploying the main, hey make a call to say how that 8-way was outstanding. They said the phone would never connect when they were up in the air (trying to connect to more than one tower so the system gets confused?). But as soon as they are on the ground, the phone connects.

      I haven't been able try some of this myself, I really like to get hands-on experience in connectivity. Following rules and regulations is another matter. But then don't most people text nowadays?

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    5. Re:Planes have had phones for years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      FAA safety stuff aside, this is FCC -- rapid transitions between towers (you travel a mile in 4-5 seconds) confuses the cell phone system. That's why the ban at altitude.

      I assume this has been addressed in recent years.

      Exactly. That is why the FCC is proposing to remove the (technical) restriction. It no longer is required, and, as such, should be removed. The FCC is following their mandate (make and enforce rules to insure that the spectrum works).

      I would propose that any airline that wishes to allow mobile calls be required to provide all other passengers noise cancelling headsets (some airlines do do so in first class).

    6. Re:Planes have had phones for years by Solandri · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Also, I have always left my phone on in flights. It doesn't get a signal at altitude, and definitely not over the middle of the ocean.

      Most airlines have or are adding Internet service to their planes, and some are contemplating using it to provide a cellular microcell (acts like a tower and connects to your cellular provider over Internet). I think the plans right now are to set it up as a third party cell and you'd get charged roaming rates on it if you used it. But it's not difficult to conceive a future where the roaming rates have been scaled back to a few cents/min or eliminated altogether from the cellular carriers competing (hah!) and deciding to just pay the airlines to provide their service.

    7. Re:Planes have had phones for years by MetalliQaZ · · Score: 1

      Why were you so annoyed by texting? It doesn't effect you at all.

      What really got your jimmies rustled was that she was openly flouting the stupid rules, and you had to get up in her business about it because you don't have the balls to do it yourself.

      Wake up, buddy. You're the jerk. Cell phones are not bad for planes and a cell phone jammer will do nothing to damage it in any way. All it will do is inconvenience a few hundred people because you are so selfish and self-centered.

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    8. Re:Planes have had phones for years by ai4px · · Score: 1
      The fun part about this is that if I leave my phone on, I could get texts which cost me a roaming fee. This will really usher in an entirely new reason for "airplane mode" on the cell phones.... to avoid unexpected telco fees.

      1)Encourage FAA and FCC to permit cell phones on airplanes

      2)Provide a microcell that charges exorbitant roaming fees

      3)Wait for any of 300 people to get texts or push notifications

      4) profit!

    9. Re:Planes have had phones for years by ai4px · · Score: 1

      Cell towers tilt the antennas downward a few degrees. This brings the horizon in artifically closer than the real horizon. Years ago, when travelling on mountaintops. cell phones would jump to a distant tower for a brief instant and then drop the call. The solution was to make sure the towers didn't see any cellphones past the horizon. Since the antennas are pointed downward, if you are above them you won't get service, never mind the fact that you are switching between towers so rapidly.

    10. Re:Planes have had phones for years by ai4px · · Score: 1

      ... unless the airline charges a high fee to use their micro cell.

    11. Re:Planes have had phones for years by slew · · Score: 1

      The cost moderated the usage so much that they're mostly no longer enabled even if they're present. The remaining service will be shutting down completely at the end of this year.

      And good riddance ;^)

    12. Re:Planes have had phones for years by knorthern+knight · · Score: 1

      > Most airlines have or are adding Internet service to their planes

      And if you have VOIP set up on your notebook, that's a connection right there, cell towers not required.

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    13. Re:Planes have had phones for years by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Except that antenna propogation is complex and doesn't follow where the antenna is 'pointed'. General Aviation pilots talk on cell phones all of the time, in fact the new headsets have cell phone / radio switches. Now, your typical GA plane isn't at 30000 feet, but the antennas do work above the horizon line.

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    14. Re:Planes have had phones for years by mdielmann · · Score: 1

      The cost moderated the usage so much that they're mostly no longer enabled even if they're present. The remaining service will be shutting down completely at the end of this year.

      And good riddance ;^)

      But note that they didn't remove them because they were disturbing to other customers, but because usage was low enough that they were probably losing money on the product. So why not remove the loss, and allow people to use their cells, probably with a charge involved, as well?

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  6. A plane is no different than a bus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If you can make phone calls on a city bus you can make phone calls on a plane.

    1. Re:A plane is no different than a bus by tepples · · Score: 1

      City bus trips tend to be shorter than flights. City bus trips also tend to be far more spontaneous, which often requires arranging a ride from the end of the route to the ultimate destination during the ride as opposed to having arranged it days in advance.

    2. Re:A plane is no different than a bus by x0ra · · Score: 1

      Long distance buses (say, Montreal - New York) can be longer than a transcontinental filght, so your arguments are pretty moot.

  7. Just make it expensive... by magic+maverick+ · · Score: 2

    I've seen plenty of phones on planes before, but I've never seen them used to actually make calls. Probably because they cost a shitload.

    So, just have a fair warning to consumers, that each call will cost $10 a minute (via various methods, including text messages to those phones that are turned on). Then, only those people who actually have a pressing need will use the phones in flight. Solves the problem for me.

    Moreover, if noise worries you, then get a pair of earplugs. And/or don't fly (the engines are almost always the noisiest thing on airplanes for me).

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    1. Re:Just make it expensive... by perpenso · · Score: 2

      ... including text messages to those phones that are turned on ...

      I think the point of the legislation is to get people to use text rather than voice, text having near zero impact on your fellow passengers.

    2. Re:Just make it expensive... by tepples · · Score: 1

      Grunts of frustration over having to fight with T9 on a phone without a QWERTY keypad have an impact on fellow passengers.

    3. Re:Just make it expensive... by ai4px · · Score: 1

      ....except for the DING each time that teen girl beside you gets a text or snapchat.

    4. Re:Just make it expensive... by asylumx · · Score: 1

      Engines may be the noisiest thing on the plane, but that noise is white noise (static noise). It is actually calming and contributes to actually helping people sleep on the plane. Voices, on the other hand, cut right through that and have the opposite effect, even if they aren't addressing you. Also, voices carry VERY well through the cabin. For example, you can often hear what the flight attendant is saying to someone ten or more rows ahead or behind you, even over the engine noise.

    5. Re:Just make it expensive... by wcrowe · · Score: 2

      I don't understand why so many people suggest getting earplugs. I've tried your suggestion, and it doesn't work. Earplugs do not cancel out all noise. You would still be able to hear someone next to you on their phone. And if you were able to cancel out all the noise, then what you would hear is the sound of your own breathing and possibly your heartbeat. This will actually drive you crazy after a while.

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    6. Re:Just make it expensive... by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      Moreover, if noise worries you, then get a pair of earplugs. And/or don't fly (the engines are almost always the noisiest thing on airplanes for me).

      To me, there's an issue that I think will have to be confronted at some point regarding this.

      If I'm wearing headphones/earplugs, how will I hear announcements from the cockpit? And if I'm wearing these while reading my kindle, how will I notice that the little "fasten seat belts" sign has come on? And when the plane drops 4 feet because of turbulence and I break my leg, who am I going to sue? Because it's obviously not my fault that my leg was broken.

  8. Better yet ... by Old97 · · Score: 2

    I think a better solution is that once you've achieved cruising altitude that passenger can petition for a vote of all passengers to have specific annoying passengers literally thrown off the planes. No parachute, just a good heave. As annoying cell phone users are - shouting in their phones, etc. - seat kickers, loud drunks, crying babies and others deserve some sort of retribution too.

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    1. Re:Better yet ... by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      I think a better solution is that once you've achieved cruising altitude that passenger can petition for a vote of all passengers to have specific annoying passengers literally thrown off the planes. No parachute, just a good heave. As annoying cell phone users are - shouting in their phones, etc. - seat kickers, loud drunks, crying babies and others deserve some sort of retribution too.

      Good plan. This would prevent famously annoying people from ever getting on a plane.

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  9. gasbags make mountains out of molehills by rubycodez · · Score: 2

    quiet time huh? don't fly much?

  10. Join the conversation by tomhath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If the person next to you is talking on the phone just join in. Comment on what they say, ask what the other person said, etc. Someone rude enough to have a phone conversation in a crowd won't catch the sarcasm, but at least you'll annoy them as much as they annoy you.

    1. Re:Join the conversation by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2

      A friend of mine who lives in NYC told me about a time he was riding a bus (may have been driving it...he worked as a bus driver for a long time) and this woman was talking in detail about her visit to the gynecologist and all the odd discharges she was having...

      An old dude on the other side of the bus yells out "DAMN WOMAN, NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR ABOUT YOUR PROBLEMS WITH YOUR STANK PUSSY!" and everyone applauded. XD

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    2. Re:Join the conversation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Echoing what they say with as short a delay as you can manage (around ~0.5s) is particularly effective.

    3. Re:Join the conversation by chameleon3 · · Score: 1

      Or, just start recording their conversation using an app on your phone.

      People hate being recorded.

  11. Re:Really? by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What's difference between talking on a phone and talking to someone I am traveling with as far as noise disruption?

    Because of low (or absent) sidetone on cell phones, people tend to speak much more loudly than they would in a regular conversation. Additionally, if the connection is poor people tend to shout. This is why most people find cell conversations disruptive.

  12. Re:Really? by kannibal_klown · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't agree with the bill, but there is a difference to the third-parties.

    Firstly, everyone talks louder on the phone. They don't realize it and deny it left-and-right, but they do. Add to that, they will be compensating for the engine noise so it's going to be a lot of "can you hear me, what about now, is that better" So you have increased volume.

    Second, you have the issue of "half a conversation" messing with your brain. Hearing another conversation isn't so bad, hearing only HALF the conversation (the guy on the phone) and your brain tries to piece together w t h they're talking about or what the person on the other-end-of-the-phone is saying. It's an automatic thing, so it adds to the annoyance.

    Lastly, not too many people talk to their strangers / neighbors for more than a few minutes. Sure people talk, but for the most part people just want to veg out and rest / read / watch the movie / etc. Bring in the phones, and LOTS of people will be talking.

    Personally I'm fine with the way planes have been... the talking is at a minimum so I can at least try to get some rest. Instead now you will have people going on and on about mundane stuff.

    At least... hopefully the teens and younger will be Texting instead of calling... so I don't have to hear all of the "Oh My Gawd did you see what she was wearing" BS.

  13. Umm, no. by C_Kode · · Score: 1

    I commute to and from New York City on a train every day. I've seen fights almost break out from rude people yapping on phones. Allowing phone calls on planes is a very bad idea. Nobody wants to listen to other people yap on a phone during a three hour flight.

    People get agitated enough being cramped into small seats with no leg room. Lets just add to the agitation my making the person next to you annoy the hell out of you by yapping on the phone to their friend.

    1. Re:Umm, no. by Entropius · · Score: 1

      I used to commute from Baltimore to DC on the train every day, and people were generally far more considerate (even though phone calls were allowed). Perhaps New Yorkers are just another level of rude altogether -- although after seeing Washingtonians it's a frightening thought.

  14. Cell Signal.. by daitengu · · Score: 1

    Is this even feasible? with most flights you're 5-7 miles above the ground. IIRC, cell phone signals radiate mostly parallel to the ground. Can you even get a cell signal in a plane? I don't fly much, and the times I've had I never turned my cellular radio on in my phone.

    1. Re:Cell Signal.. by SuricouRaven · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not that way, no. The plan is to give the plane a small mobile cell of its own, connected to the wider network via satellite backhaul.

    2. Re:Cell Signal.. by ai4px · · Score: 1

      The cell tower antennas are actually tilted downward at a slight angle to force the signals to an actual point on the ground at the horizon. You can't use a cell phone if you wanted to on a terrestrial tower if you are 5 miles up. You'll have to use a microcell in the airplane itself.

    3. Re:Cell Signal.. by slew · · Score: 2

      Acutally you can sometimes get a cell signal from a phone on a plane (some lightly used rural towers can pretty high power/range). Unfortunatly the high-altitude and velocity of a plane used to confuse cell networks (esp., the tower-handoff protocols between say a 3G and a CDMA tower on a multi-mode phone) and consume too much of the tower's antenna power-bandwidth envelope leaving less for other calls. Because so many folks leave their cell-phones onboard planes, nowdays many networks are configured detect if you are hitting too many different types of towers and simply refuse to track/connect a phone exhibiting such a pattern.

      Of course at 5miles up in cruise phase, you'd have to have a very good phone to get a signal because the signal you would get isn't from a tower straight down from you (the cell towers don't focus their energy up), but on a far away tower where your signal looks more parallel to the ground. But during a slow decent phase over a relatively unpopulated area, it's quite common to be able to get a decent signal somewhere between 3-4 miles in altitude.

      But they aren't going to do that, they are going to put a femto-cell on the plane and probably back-haul it through a satellite network (likely the same one they use to provide wifi internet service). I imagine the call will look like a high-cost roaming fee on your cell-phone bill and they will block VoIP (if they don't do that already).

    4. Re:Cell Signal.. by wcrowe · · Score: 1

      Then how were the people on Flight 93 able to use their cell phones? Not trying to be a smart ass, I'm just asking.

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  15. Totally crazy idea here... by MikeRT · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How about we respect the fact that the plane is the property of the airline and let them set policy accordingly. I mean holy crap on a cracker Batman, civility will break down because someone is talking (at most likely) conversational volume on a cell phone on a long flight that already has cranky and cramped adults, babies and drunks.

  16. Charge $10/minute by aegl · · Score: 5, Funny

    Airline keeps half. The rest is distributed to the people sitting next to the person making the call.

    1. Re:Charge $10/minute by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Best. Idea. Ever.

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  17. Distraction Bill by Antipater · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Both Alexander and Feinstein have issues that they'd rather the media not look at right now. Alexander's chief of staff was just arrested on child porn charges, and Feinstein...I don't think I have to mention, here on /., why people hate Feinstein.

    So they've come together with a "you know that thing that people really hate? Let's ban it!" bill meant to get their names in the headlines next to something they think people will like. It's just a stunt. Pay no heed to it.

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    1. Re:Distraction Bill by Virtucon · · Score: 2

      Hey, if it works for the Administration why not for the Senate?

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  18. the FCC got it right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    They are charged with deciding whether allowing cell phones is safe, not the pros and cons of passenger convenience/inconvenience.

    From another article:

    Nick Calio, the president and CEO of Airlines for America, testifying Thursday at a House hearing on the aviation industry, said regulators should determine whether allowing cellphones to be used for voice calls in flight is safe and should leave further decisions up to the airlines.

    “If they do so, we believe the decision should be left up to individual carriers as to whether they want to institute a policy or not,” Calio said. “In considering that, they’ll consider the safety of their passengers and their crews and customer input.”

    That sounds right.

    1. Re:the FCC got it right by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 2

      Exactly, and nor is it something the Federal govt should be involved with. Airlines are completely capable of deciding for themselves if more people are annoyed or if more people would prefer to be able to use phones.

  19. Foamies by couchslug · · Score: 1

    I use foam ear plugs and sleep through most flights. I stay up late, crash on the plane perhaps with the help of some Dramamine, and I don't care what the other passengers do.

    Let them have their communication so I may have mine when I wish.

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  20. Don't believe it for a second by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2

    I can't overexaggerate how much I love the zone of silence in my daily bus and train rides, or the pristine calm of the city sidewalks.

    Give me a fucking break. Suddenly the Senate is concerned for my delicate ears? More likely: an airline was cutting a deal with a carrier to sell AirTalk (tm) in-flight voice at $3.99 a minute and doesn't want to be undercut.

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    1. Re:Don't believe it for a second by necro81 · · Score: 1

      I can't overexaggerate how much I love the zone of silence in my daily bus and train rides, or the pristine calm of the city sidewalks.

      Airplanes are a bit of a special case, owing to the fact that you are in tighter and more stress-inducing quarters, for longer periods of time, and can't get up to move to a different seat if you get stuck next to the asshat who wants to shout at his sister in Des Moines.

  21. We are adults by alextheseal · · Score: 1

    For fucks sake, if it's not a safety issue that we don't need laws about it. We are adults and contend with this in tons of other planes in our lives and can self regulate in a airplane. There is nothing magical about being in an airplane that makes us better or worse then off an airplane.

    1. Re:We are adults by Virtucon · · Score: 1

      You're assuming too much.

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    2. Re:We are adults by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      There is nothing magical about being in an airplane that makes us better or worse then off an airplane.

      I don't know about you, but I'm not usually strapped into a tiny seat 3 inches from the heads of other people while we're all confined in a maybe 100x18ft tin can for many hours at a time.

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  22. Ban their use for talking! by macbeth66 · · Score: 2

    Oh, God! That's all I need. Cramped in a tin can with a pack of bored nitwit talkers for a five hour flight to the west coast. There is absolutely no need for this at all.

    But then there will be all of the amusing fights that will surely follow. Maybe I ought to get an upgraded device to record videos. :)

    Yeah. I've changed my mind. Allow cell phone calls on a plane.

  23. I love how this is coming from old people by VTBlue · · Score: 2

    As a Dem, I can understand some members of the party seeing a need for this, but I'm shocked that Lamar Alexander is co-sponsoring this. So much for anti-regulation republicans. While I agree that voice calls should not be permitted in planes, there is no reason to legislate this. It is very reasonable that in the future there may be airlines dedicated to business passengers who would find value in having phone calls on a flight.

    Let us also forget the fact that many airplanes already have seat tethered phones that no one uses. A passenger etiquette policy determined by airlines would be preferable than a blanket ban. I see this more as a generational issue where old people are once again on the losing side.

  24. Uh... what? by mark-t · · Score: 1
    "...saying it might not be "fair" to consumers to have to listen to other passengers talk on the phone throughout a long flight"

    In practice, I think the noise level from chatter would generally be far higher from people simply talking to those they are traveling with them than it would be from people with cell phones. No worse, for instance, than what you might expect on public transit, where cell phones are entirely allowed.. but with the provision that people are still expected to keep their voices at a reasonable level (I've actually seen a person on transit get reprimanded by complete strangers for talking too loudly on their phone once... the embarrassment of the situation alone, I think, was what made the person be completely quite thereafter).

  25. Ridiculous by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 1

    The FCC's job is to determine if they are safe, so people calling for _them_ to ban them because of the annoyance factors are just assholes.

    It's also not the government's job to prevent minor "annoyance" as some piece of bullshit populist legislation. If people are that annoyed the airlines can ban them.

    1. Re:Ridiculous by rally2xs · · Score: 1

      >The FCC's job is to determine if they are safe, so people calling for _them_ to ban them because of the annoyance factors are just assholes.

      Exactly. Society is currently plagued with people who seem to believe that they have the right to control everything that happens all the way out to their horizon. That's how we get our industries costing several times what they should, and having jobs go overseas, when the idiots sue everyone in sight about new highways, new power lines, new rail lines, new factories, new anything.

      If we let these people have their way, cell phones will be banned in retail stores, on public sidewalks, in restaurants, in bars, in cars, in trains, on boats, and basically everywhere other than home. I say they need to get an attitude adjustment and just mind their own damn business, and treat it like construction noise or traffic noise or even the sound of the jet's own engines, which we all are pretty successful at ignoring.

  26. what about... by MoFoQ · · Score: 1

    ...restricting them to designated areas....you know...a phone booth (call box, or hell...make one look like TARDIS)

  27. Constitution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Please point to the section of the Constitution which you think authorizes federal government to legislate laws for regulating how loudly you are allowed to talk to people. I'm genuinely curious. I'm think this is now a first amendment issue if the FAA determines there is no aircraft safety problem associated with phones.

    1. Re:Constitution by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      Not all laws are in the Constitution. The law that should cover this is the ones covering "public disturbance". Your loud mouth yelling into a cellphone with a bad connection while sitting a foot away from me is going to get your cellphone broken.

      Calling real quick to say, "Hey honey, they say we will be landing in 30 minutes" is a lot different than holding a full on conversation about shit I do not want to hear about at the yelling volume most people talk on the phone with.

      I like you assholes trot out the "entitlement" argument. when someone asks for a common decency law. I guess your entitlement to be a rude asshole doesn't count. If people on average had common decency we would not need these laws.

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    2. Re:Constitution by fnj · · Score: 1

      Purposely distorting your quote in order to rag on the poster is asshattish. NOT nice strawman there.

  28. Re:This makes sense by mark-t · · Score: 1

    So I guess you'd be equally opposed to allowing a person who was sitting near you to simply be talking casually to the person who was sitting beside them.

    It's still a conversation that you're not a part of... you're still being forced to hear it by sole virtue of your proximity to them... or maybe, they should be forced to both get up from their seats and have their conversation further away from you?

    Rather than prohibiting cell phones, it would make much more sense to be prohibitive of unnecessarily raising your voice and disturbing other passengers. Oh look, that's already a thing in situations where it gets to be a problem.

  29. If they start allowing cell phone use in flight... by Virtucon · · Score: 1

    I'm going to start eating extra spicy burritos just before we depart. Sorry, If I have to listen to endless "oh my god" and "you knows" or the pugnacious business guy making client calls all during a flight I will release my own anti-chatter device! Besides it's good for you!

     

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  30. better idea by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    I propose they pass a bill stating that people should get the fuck over it. I'm capable of making a quiet and non-annoying call in a public area. Others are not. That's just how it is. Tell them to quiet down or ignore it.

    1. Re:better idea by wcrowe · · Score: 1

      "I'm capable of making a quiet and non-annoying call in a public area."

      Everyone who makes annoying calls in public thinks their calls are not annoying.

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  31. Re:Really? by chispito · · Score: 1

    You can't see lips and body language on the phone.

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  32. Re:Really? by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    And throw that into the noisy environment of a plane, and people will talk even loudererer than necessary.

    We need some kind of cheap, disposible mouth cowling/bib to muffle voice. Ideally with ear buds.

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  33. Airlines want the CYA of being told what to do by swb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...even if "being told what to do" means they decide internally but have a Federal organization slap their letterhead on it and make it a Federal rule/policy.

    There will probably be a lot of high-mileage and influential business customers who want to talk on the phone. These people are the gravy for airlines in terms of income and that can get expensive if they switch to another carrier who will allow these calls. Making their own policies that risks exposing them to a competitive disadvantage is something they don't want.

    If they do allow calls with their own policy, they then risk the public relations nightmare of bad press and public opinion. Of course they don't really care about vacation travelers opinions very much since they aren't the high margin business customers, but they also don't want the negative PR generally.

    It's just so much easier for them on this issue if they don't have to decide on their own and they can just point to a regulatory rule.

    1. Re:Airlines want the CYA of being told what to do by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 2

      My phone gets switched off the moment I go through security. IT does not get switched on again until I'm waiting for my bags to appear.

      60K flyer here. I find it useful to turn it on once we're wheels-down - The airline mobile sites are very useful to get gate and delay information for my connecting flights.

      PS Surprised to hear that, as a 100K flyer you check bags. I probably only check 1/10 flights, when I'm gone more than four sleeps and need a suit - But perhaps you're more longhaul. My 60K was spread over 62 segments.

  34. Feinstein? by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

    But if people can't make phone calls from airplanes, how can the NSA listen into them?

  35. Re:Best Use of Time? by lennier1 · · Score: 1

    Look at the names. These two have taken up residence up the asses of so many lobby groups, even the NSA couldn't get a reliable location on them.

  36. How about at seat assignment time,, by austinhook · · Score: 1

    There is so much important stuff to do -- when can we get Congress to stop regulating things just to get PR? Leave it to the private sector, and let the airlines themselves react to the consequences. For example, airlines could allow a section for cell phone lovers and let the assignment occur at seat selection time.

    The only legislation we need is to make all congress critters sit with them -- since they are so fervent in having the government listening in to everything..

    1. Re:How about at seat assignment time,, by Dutchmaan · · Score: 1

      While i agree with your sentiment, leaving regulation to the private sector is just as bad if not worse... Self regulation == no regulation

  37. Why? by kimvette · · Score: 1

    According to flight attendants on overseas flights, you can't hear others on their phones from a row away. I think it should be allowed with obnoxious folk who scream on their phones to be dealt with on a case-by-case basis - unless they are going to outlaw truly obnoxious noise such as screaming brats you can hear from 15 rows away, and larger annoying brats who kick your seat.

    Phone calls have already been allowed for years - Skyphone anyone - and it hasn't been a problem. Just because it will now be $ConversationOnACellphone doesn't mean that it should now be banned. Don't punish everyone for the deeds of an obnoxious few, just prohibit the obnoxious few if they refuse to use their indoor voices.

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    1. Re:Why? by ai4px · · Score: 1

      I was kept awake on a recent flight to the EU by a woman who had a little too much wine and came back to stand in the aisle and yap with the woman in the row in front of me. Trust me, you can hear the next row up.

    2. Re:Why? by kimvette · · Score: 1

      Drunks tend to yell, don't they? That sounds like a disruption which the flight attendants ought to have put a stop to, again, on a case by case basis. Some people can hold their liquor and not be a nuisance, or are at least are quiet drunks and not yell "SSHSSAY, HAVE *hiccup* I TOLDTH YOU *hiccup* HOW MUCH I LOVE YOU *hiccup*" and other typical drunk shit at a companion sitting or standing just 18" away

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  38. Wrong approach by sunking2 · · Score: 1

    We could cut down on all this silly legislation if they'd simply pass a law that let you punch rude people in the nose.

  39. If madame Feinstein is against it.. by bytesex · · Score: 1

    I can only suspect that it has a security angle. As in: she can't listen in those calls or something.

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  40. Good morning Vietraq by tepples · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sadly, the only way to overturn this mess, and get it out and maybe revised would be to have the Reps in control of all 3x branches. But, I'm afraid what else they'd do if they had that much control.

    Last time the GOP had the House, Senate, and Presidency, the United States got involved in Vietghanistan and Vietraq.

    1. Re:Good morning Vietraq by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Which has already proven to be less harmful to the USA than when the DNC rammed Obamacare (is that "racist") through, without even reading it ("must vote for it, to see what is in it"). So far, Oregon spend 300 million to enroll 44 people, good FUCKING use of tax dollars.

      And, just to remind you, Hillary, and Company supported the wars. And saying she didn't know GWB was lying, that is just remember, her Husband was President and knew all about Saddam and OBL, so she SHOULD have known. But then again "What difference does it make!!!!!"

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    2. Re:Good morning Vietraq by lgw · · Score: 1

      Hillary will definitely be the "establishment" candidate for the 2016 election. Vote for her for more of the same. Sadly, most Democrats will. And the GOP will run yet another boring old rich white guy to lose to her.

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    3. Re:Good morning Vietraq by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Which has already proven to be less harmful to the USA than when the DNC rammed Obamacare (is that "racist") through, without even reading it ("must vote for it, to see what is in it"). So far, Oregon spend 300 million to enroll 44 people, good FUCKING use of tax dollars.

      You're kidding right? The amount of money we spent and the amount of interest we will pay to fund the two wars dwarfs any economic damage that Obamacare supposedly will cause. We won't know the final cost of the wars since we will be paying for the casualties that return home for quite a long time.

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    4. Re:Good morning Vietraq by Gryphia · · Score: 4, Informative

      Which has already proven to be less harmful to the USA than when the DNC rammed Obamacare (is that "racist") through, without even reading it ("must vote for it, to see what is in it"). So far, Oregon spend 300 million to enroll 44 people, good FUCKING use of tax dollars.

      And, just to remind you, Hillary, and Company supported the wars. And saying she didn't know GWB was lying, that is just remember, her Husband was President and knew all about Saddam and OBL, so she SHOULD have known. But then again "What difference does it make!!!!!"

      Okay. Time for some fact checking. First, the full quote from Nancy Pelosi (not just the part that Michele Bachmann used and made famous) was: ”We’ll have to pass it so you can find out what’s in it, away from the fog of controversy.” Nancy Pelosi claims that she was saying that the American people wouldn’t see all the advantages of HCR until after it was passed, not that Congress had no idea what it said. I personally read it as her saying that during the debate in congress there were so many people saying false things about the healthcare law that not all of the benefits (or drawbacks) would be recognized by the public until they were enacted in law.

      Second, Oregon has roughly 30,000 paper health care applications waiting for approval. Additionally at least 70,000 more people have signed up for Medicaid in response to informational letters the government sent out to eligible citizens. Given that the uninsured population of Oregon is roughly 500,000, I'd say those numbers are a pretty good indication that the program is both wanted and needed.The fact that the website is broken is a travesty, particularly given the amount of money (more like $150 million, according to the paper) paid to Oracle to get it to work.

      However, the fact that a private contractor failed to construct a website does not mean the law is bad. It means we need better private contractors. Hopefully Oregon will figure out how to deal with Oracle and either get their money back, a working website, or both (the same could be said for the federal health exchange website).

      Finally, as to your last point. You're saying that former President Bill Clinton was up to date on the most recently collected highly classified intelligence about Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein and WMDs. And that he told his wife all about it. You do remember that the war in afghanistan started a year after he left office, and the war in Iraq started two years after he left office? Things can change a lot in a year, especially when an event like 9/11 shifts the focus of the intelligence community. I think you're overestimating the power and knowledge of former presidents.

      Some sources: http://www.oregonlive.com/health/index.ssf/2013/12/oregons_health_exchange_woes_s_1.html http://news.yahoo.com/oregon-healthcare-exchange-website-never-worked-no-subscribers-130601969--sector.html http://www.oregonlive.com/business/index.ssf/2013/12/30000_cover_oregon_enrollment.html http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2010/mar/15/republican-party-texas/texas-gop-says-speaker-nancy-pelosi-said-people-wi/

    5. Re:Good morning Vietraq by Dahamma · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Which has already proven to be less harmful to the USA

      Are you KIDDING me? Better to spend $300M to get 44 people health care (and that's a moronic statistic, anyway - they spent too much money and the site isn't ready, but that's an NRE cost, not a per-person rate, DUH) than $5 TRILLION to get thousands of soldiers and hundreds of thousands of civilians killed. For the cost of those wars the US could have fully insured every citizen in the US for years.

      And name ANY direct harm that has actually come to anyone AS OF TODAY over the ACA (not some unproven conspiracy theory of future issues). Yes, millions of cancellations of policies have been announced (*not* enacted yet), but the vast majority of those people will end up with with cheaper policies with more coverage. Combine that with newly covered people and it will be a large net gain. Not comforting to those individuals who made out the worse for it, of course, but on the scale of 300M people that's how things go.

    6. Re:Good morning Vietraq by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      So far, Oregon spend 300 million to enroll 44 people, good FUCKING use of tax dollars.

      Oregon has enrolled thousands of people. ACA is unrelated to OR's ability to manage an IT project. They are separate and unrelated issues.

    7. Re:Good morning Vietraq by cayenne8 · · Score: 2

      ...but the vast majority of those people will end up with with cheaper policies with more coverage.

      Unfortunately, so far...we're seeing pretty much the oppositeof this.

      People that had perfectly good coverage, are seeing those policies being replace by the new ones, that often offer less choice, fewer doctors, but coming also with higher deductibles and more expensive monthly payments.

      Sure, we might get a few million new people on with insurance (if ACA actually starts to work as planned)...but at the cost of possibly the majority of already covered Americans experiencing a huge increase in premiums and deductibles combined with a lowering of many of their previous levels of coverage.

      Is it worth it?

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    8. Re:Good morning Vietraq by Dahamma · · Score: 2, Informative

      Please cite examples that aren't Fox News on this? And I'm sure we can trade plenty of "anecdotes" either way - for example, a friend of mine just used the Texas exchange and her premium went down from over $1000 a month to about $300. But that's mostly irrelevant, since anecdotes aren't statistics, and the point is to increase the overall coverage and decrease the overall cost. And ANY conclusion about that right now (when it's only in the 2nd month of enrollment and NO old policies have actually even expired yet) is ridiculously premature.

      Also, "perfectly good coverage" is kind of a joke. The reason many policies were cancelled is because they were so bad they didn't pass the minimum requirements for policies under the new law (which isn't particularly stringent, anyway), or the insurance companies were just revamping their policy offerings and expected people to sign up under the new (sometimes nearly identical) ones. Such a conspiracy theory without hard evidence...

      And really, "if ACA actually starts to work as planned"? The Federal website != The ACA. There are plenty of state exchanges that are working fine - but even those aren't "the ACA". The ACA is a *law*, not some website.

    9. Re:Good morning Vietraq by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You're kidding right? The amount of money we spent and the amount of interest we will pay to fund the two wars dwarfs any economic damage that Obamacare supposedly will cause. We won't know the final cost of the wars since we will be paying for the casualties that return home for quite a long time.

      Yeah! You guys wasted your share of the money, now it's our turn!

    10. Re:Good morning Vietraq by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      The reason many policies were cancelled is because they were so bad they didn't pass the minimum requirements for policies under the new law

      Elitist bullshit. I am so glad you can speak for everyone else, about every policy that was ever canceled.

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    11. Re:Good morning Vietraq by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Also, "perfectly good coverage" is kind of a joke.

      Well, I one thing I consider perfectly good, was that as an un-married male, I didn't need maternity care or any other type of obstetrics coverage, nor do I need coverage for kids, etc. under my old policy.

      Apparently under the new previsions, I'm required to have such coverage and pay for it...WFT?

      Another perfectly good insurance plan, when I do 1099 work through my own company, in the past, I had a high deductible policy, about $1200...low monthly payments, and yes, it was bare bones.

      When I was growing up, it was called "major medical", it was something I needed only for emergencies (hit by a bus, heart attack, etc). I saved for and paid for my routine care and meds by socking away about $3K annually in my HSA pre-tax. This worked out quite well for me, and being mostly healthy, each year, I'd have a good bit of funds in the HSA to roll over to the next year...and the next year...and...

      But nope...that kind of freedom to manage my own health care is now taken away from me. Less choice and less freedom.

      Some of us don't need a 'nanny' in the federal govt. to make our decisions for us and take care of us. But now even so, it is being rammed down our throats.

      Your lines sound like they were parroted straight off MSNBC...

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    12. Re:Good morning Vietraq by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Well, I one thing I consider perfectly good, was that as an un-married male, I didn't need maternity care or any other type of obstetrics coverage, nor do I need coverage for kids, etc. under my old policy.

      I'm required to have such coverage and pay for itWFT?

      Of course you aren't. If you want to cover a spouse and kids you have to pay for those policies as well, you don't just get them for free. But I guess as an unmarried male without kids you didn't even realize that? So, one less incorrect assumption to complain about.

      And you clearly don't even know what the policies available with the new system are - there are HSA options with high-deductible major medical coverage, etc. The differences in policies are that they can't now refuse/drop/jack up rates for pre-existing conditions, they can no longer impose a lifetime maximum payout, and *if* covering dependent children (which is an extra premium, OF COURSE) they have to continue to offer coverage until 26. Since some existing policies had those provisions they had to make people switch to new ones that did not.

      I mean seriously so what makes you qualified to discuss *anything* other than your specific situation if you have never heard of any of these really fundamental aspects of health insurance in general and the ACA in particular before??

    13. Re:Good morning Vietraq by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      I'm so glad you think refusing people for preexisting conditions, imposing maximum lifetime payouts, and dropping people when they have had major claims for things like *paying the premium too soon* (yes, that happened) were excellent features of the old plans. As I said, these aren't strict requirements! There are still plenty of low cost, high deductible/copay plans for people to choose from - most of those aspects haven't really changed much.

      You do realize the Federal government also requires cars to have seat belts, air bags, and comply with other safety and emissions standards? These weren't all just done through the kindness of the auto manufacturer's hearts...

    14. Re:Good morning Vietraq by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      How about a rich batshit crazy white woman?

      Sarah Palin for President (again) !

      * Paid for by Cthulhu / Dagon Campaign for 2016
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    15. Re:Good morning Vietraq by Huge_UID · · Score: 1

      No, he is not kidding, he is an idiot.

    16. Re:Good morning Vietraq by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Premiums going down on average isn't good enough. Anybody's premiums going up (or losing benefits at the same cost, which is the same net effect) means the law was misguided & badly written.

      Except that's just not how governing a country of 300M+ people works. Nor is it how the (now slightly LESS in fact!) world of health insurance (or any other insurance based on differing premiums per customer) works. It *sucks* for those few who may make out worse, but that's the way it is and always has been. Same thing with tax law changes - how it affects you depends highly on your situation.

      And yet ANOTHER statistic that people love to gloss over: of the policies that were cancelled, it's estimated ~60% of them were short term policies in effect for no more than a year: ie. in the small (yes, still a lot of people, but in terms of total industry: like 6% of the population?) private individual insurance market. And these short term/temporary policies undergo a huge churn anyway. So, with the other estimate of 40-50% of those who may have to change their policy, that's down to almost 1% of the insured in the US who had longer term existing policies and will have to find a new one in the marketplace. And no, that doesn't mean 1% is going to have a worse policy, just a different one - there have been anecdotes of both good and bad experiences, but until real numbers come out, that's all they are - anecdotes.

    17. Re:Good morning Vietraq by sjames · · Score: 1

      Actually, most of the cancelled policies were practically worthless anyway. They are being cancelled because the insurers can no longer cancel them if you get an expensive problem. Not all that surprising that they want to promise less now that they might have to actually keep their promises.

    18. Re:Good morning Vietraq by ultranova · · Score: 1

      Premiums going down on average isn't good enough. Anybody's premiums going up (or losing benefits at the same cost, which is the same net effect) means the law was misguided & badly written.

      No. The only way you can always have your way is to live completely unconnected to anyone else. But that kind of life is short, brutal and nasty, making your a penniless outlaw. So you live in a society, participate in its niceties and complain bitterly that sometimes its decisions might favour other people more than you.

      Damn spoiled brat.

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    19. Re:Good morning Vietraq by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      I'm so glad you think refusing people for preexisting conditions, imposing maximum lifetime payouts, and dropping people when they have had major claims for things like *paying the premium too soon* (yes, that happened) were excellent features of the old plans. As I said, these aren't strict requirements!

      I think most of us would go along with these FEW good things about obamacare......but most of us would rather ditch the rest of it.

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    20. Re:Good morning Vietraq by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      I guess you missed the part where 6 Million Americans have lost their coverage due to ObamaCare already, and of the few that actually tried to enroll during the first two months, NONE of them are guaranteed coverage, simply because the website didn't function at all. Imagine, NOT ONE CUSTOMER is guaranteed coverage they think they bought.

      Yeah, it is worse than two wars on Americans. Two wars had little effect on everyday life in America. Losing Health Care Coverage is a big deal to a lot of people. Sorry your bigotry against Americans is blinding you.

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  41. Meddling pricks ... by therealkevinkretz · · Score: 1

    Jeez, don't they have anything better to do? (actually their spending time on this is probably safer in the long run than whatever else they would be working towards)

    If it were such a nuisance to consumers, the airlines would offer "no-talking" flights or sections. Everything doesn't have to be legislated.

  42. Re:Really? by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

    We need some kind of cheap, disposible mouth cowling/bib to muffle voice. Ideally with ear buds.

    Just stuff the bottom with some sound-dampening foam.

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  43. Commerce among the states by tepples · · Score: 1

    Article I, Section 8. Regulating commercial flights is part of regulating commerce among the states (flights take off in one state and land in another) and post roads (flights share airspace with flights that carry Priority Mail packages). Don't like it? Propose a constitutional amendment to reverse Wickard v. Filburn.

    1. Re:Commerce among the states by fnj · · Score: 1

      Wickard v. Filburn was a lunatic decision. What should have happened is that every one of those dick justices be instantly impeached and removed for that decision alone. Not some absurd amendment when the Constitution already makes it clear that power to legislate such absurdities does not exist under the Constitution.

      Yes, I realize that the bozos in Congress at that time (or this) would not be inclined in the slightest to do this, but I said should.

      Legislating whether airplane passenger can or cannot use their phones is NOT REGULATING COMMERCE. Anyone with an IQ above a monkey knows that.

  44. Cool! by John.Banister · · Score: 1

    I'm sure the legislation will go nowhere. It's just a means for politicians to avoid spending their time in a different manner and to engage in their favorite game: trying to look good while forcing other politicians to look bad.

    However, maybe some airline will pay enough attention to the commentary on the politics to consider the idea of instituting quiet flights. It'll probably take a little while for passengers who violate the quiet flight social compact to be banned from purchasing tickets on those flights, but soon enough, airlines will be able to charge extra for tickets on quiet flights and also charge extra for providing cell phone enabling technology on noisy flights. Then they'll graduate to putting both quiet and noisy sections on the same giant airplane, and changing your previously chosen seat assignment while you're waiting in line to get on the plane.

    I'm looking forward to when Amtrack gets wifi on transcontinental routes.

  45. Half a conversation; assigned seating by tepples · · Score: 1

    For one thing, it's not just the noise level. Hearing one side of a conversation tends to annoy the brain more than hearing both sides. For another, seating isn't assigned on public transit.

    1. Re:Half a conversation; assigned seating by mark-t · · Score: 1

      True, but it's still not likely to be as much of a bother as some people think it will be. There's already regulations about unduly disturbing other passengers... and if your cell phone isn't good enough to pick up your voice at a normal conversation level, then perhaps yeah... you'll just have to wait until you land.

  46. Let the market decide by ai4px · · Score: 1

    I don't like the idea of someone yaking on the phone next to be in an airplane, but do we need a law for *everything*?

  47. not up to them by Xicor · · Score: 1

    it shouldnt be up to congress to make laws prohibiting these things... it should be up to the specific airline to say if they want to allow people to talk on the plane or not.

  48. Re:Really? by digitalPhant0m · · Score: 1

    You can't see lips and body language on the phone.

    Facetime.

  49. Re:Why ban cell calls on airplanes? by ai4px · · Score: 1

    I certainly hope your drink isn't > 16 ounces.

  50. Agreed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Loud cellphone talkers are one of the biggest social annoyances on my list. I agree with you, though, as the premise is super weak. I'm betting a congressman was stuck on a plane with one of these fools.

    If he wants to push legislation, legalizing personal cellphone blockers would be something I'd support.

  51. Re:Ear Plugs by ai4px · · Score: 1

    Why not complementary duct tape too? I love seeing pretty MILFs tied up and mouths duct taped. That reminds me, I've got a girl in my basement I need to feed.

  52. Re:Best Use of Time? by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

    I can't comprehend how a US Senator would consider this worthy of her/his time.

    Think of how much time a Senator spends flying between DC and his state and his summer home and to the resort the company bribing him is paying for.

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  53. These terrorists hate our Freedom. by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

    Hello, this the reality calling to remind you that Flight 93 happened.

    It is high time you fire everyone in congress, and do not re-elect any who have been in office while your scaremongering polices have turned the world into an adaptation of 1984.

  54. A better solution by AnalogDiehard · · Score: 1

    There are better solutions than legislation outright banning cell phone usage on flights.

    Simply designate a certain area of seats for people who wish to use cell phones. Preferrably as close to the engines as possible. The engine noise will be so loud that habitual cell users will be cured of their habit.

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  55. Legislating manners by FishOuttaWater · · Score: 1

    What a great idea! While we're at it we can ban talking loudly in libraries, putting your elbows on the table, slurping your soup, driving too slow, bland conversation, and so on. Think of how much we could improve peoples' lives and how grateful they will be come election day!

  56. Re:Really? by NoImNotNineVolt · · Score: 1

    Firstly, everyone talks louder on the phone. They don't realize it and deny it left-and-right, but they do.

    Except my girlfriend, she's quite the opposite. She makes me feel like I'm mostly deaf after she responds to my third consecutive "what?" with a barely-whispered "god damn I'm practically screaming into the phone right now". Thinking about installing a Marshall half stack in my car and wiring it to my phone's speaker so I can converse with her while driving, because speakerphone makes the problem ten times worse.

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  57. Nine Eleven by Culture20 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If phone calls would be prohibited on planes, flight 93 would have hit something in D.C. Maybe where these senators are sitting. Time for someone to use 9-11 politically again.

  58. Cell phones in planes by GeorgeMonroy · · Score: 1

    A plane is a bus with wings. Busses have people on phones all of the time.

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    1. Re:Cell phones in planes by Holi · · Score: 1

      I can make a bus pull over so I can get out. Try doing that on a plane.

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    2. Re:Cell phones in planes by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      A plane is a bus with wings.

      Not every plane is an Airbus. ;-)

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  59. Re:Already monetized by slew · · Score: 1

    The quiet section is already monetized. It's called "first class", that wonderful place where the screaming of infants and children is reduced to a dull howl.

    Was flying in first class once and two seats were occupied with 2 parents and 2 lap-children. Even though it was a short haul flight (2 hours on a 737), I felt sorry for the people in the seats next to them (because of the availability of oxygen masks, lap-children were restricted to one per row so they couldn't put them next to each other in the same row).

  60. Give me liberty or give me silence! by mosb1000 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Talking on a cellphone in public should be a federal crime. In fact, let's give up all our freedoms in order to avoid minor annoyances!

    1. Re:Give me liberty or give me silence! by Albanach · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My first cell phone, some twenty years ago, came with a guide that included an etiquite section. It suggested using an unused doorway or empty payphone box as a place to make a call in public.

    2. Re: Give me liberty or give me silence! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So they were suggesting the few people who could make a phone call without needing a phone box should occupy said phone box so nobody else could use it.. Genius!

  61. Hypocrite Feinstein by craighansen · · Score: 4, Informative

    I have personally witnessed Diane Feistein bumping off a confirmed passenger (an associate who had booked a seat near me), and refusing to turn off her electronic equipment (A Kindle) during landing operations on a commercial flight (when it was prohibited to leave it on during takeoffs and landings). Who the F**k is this person to make this kind of policy when she can't think of anyone but herself when it comes to behavior on an airplane?

    1. Re:Hypocrite Feinstein by east+coast · · Score: 1

      You mean the woman with armed guards, a CCW and her own firearms who tries to ban civilian ownership of guns is a hypocrite? Who woulda thunk it.

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  62. Shares airspace with interstate and postal flights by tepples · · Score: 1

    A flight across Pennsylvania shares airspace with flights from one state to another that cross Pennsylvania (interstate commerce) and with airmail flights (post roads). U.S. courts have for decades interpreted regulating interstate commerce to include protecting interstate commerce from intrastate threats.

  63. Cell phones are like cigarettes by latertothegame · · Score: 1

    In the old days they had smoking and non-smoking sections. Second-hand smoke and cell phone 'noise pollution' are equivalent. Institute a non-cell phone section and charge LESS for it. Let the cell phone users yak it up at the back of the plane for a premium.

  64. Re:Really? by Qzukk · · Score: 1

    people tend to speak much more loudly than they would in a regular conversation. Additionally, if the connection is poor people tend to shout.

    Now add the roar of the jet engines over that.

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  65. Re:LOL! by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    Being on a plane certainly isn't that bad. Getting onto and off of the plane can suck, especially if you have to deal with the TSA.

    You can just watch a movie, sleep, read a book, listen to music, go into the bathroom and fart for 30 seconds straight if the pressure difference gets to your bowels...not that bad.

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    "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
  66. AIrlines will do whatever makes money by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 1, Troll

    I love (not really) how on Slashdot anything related to the airline industry brings out posts from people who never travel by plane. I had a friend who last traveled on a plane around 1999. He's not likely to ever travel anywhere by plane again in his life and this is by choice. He never flew after the TSA existed, yet listening to hm talk about the TSA you would think TSA had singled him out for unfair treatment on some flight years ago and he bore a grudge he never got over. Slashdot is the same way where people post here about how great it is to be able to talk on planes and they never fly anywhere.

    I think letting people talk on planes on their cell phones is a horrible idea, but the airlines will allow if it given a choice. This is why the only way to stop it is for the government to forbid it. Now if I hold a minority opinion on this and it's clear that the majority of flyers want to talk on their cell phones on planes, I will accept that. I won't like it, but I'll accept it. The US airlines will allow this if given a choice for 2 reasons. The first is that they've already proven themselves unwilling to restrict alcohol sales to obviously inebriated passengers, some of whom in their drunken state cause problems serious enough to get them arrested when the plane lands, perhaps even having to make an emergency landing. Alcohol sales bring in money. They won't be stopped. The second reason is that this obviously creates a money making situation where they can, as mentioned earlier, sell "quiet zone" spaces at a premium. I travel by plane sometimes for personal reasons and I am not happy at all at the thought of having to pay an extra $200 or more just so I don't have to listen to someone else's phone conversation for the whole flight.

  67. Re:LOL! by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    Either you're severely claustrophobic or you've lived a perfect, highly pampered life we should all be jealous of.

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  68. Life isnt fair by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    You cant legislate courtesy.

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  69. Re:Private Planes by Holi · · Score: 1

    No private planes do not count as "commercial flight", does owning a car make you a taxi driver?

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    Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
  70. Bi-Partisan Crap by Sentrion · · Score: 1

    Why is it that any time Republicans and Democrats get together the legislation is total crap? Republicans are supposed to support free market mechanisms and limited government, while Dems are supposed to support personal freedoms, like choice and privacy. But when they get together and agree on something, it usually runs the complete opposite of all of these purported beliefs.

    That said, what's wrong with having a "silent" section on an airplane? In Europe they already have these on trains and it works fine. For once here is a problem that the free market really can resolve on its own - let it be! Just be glad that airlines don't have a "direct marketing" section on the plane where you have to endure a high pressure sales pitch for the entire length of the flight in order to secure a 10% discount.

    Besides, when people near me are on the phone and talking too loud or in a manner that annoys me, I just making loud and obnoxious noises that should only be heard in a bathroom until the talkers decide to hang up. It works pretty well, especially against people talking in the bathroom.

  71. No exemptions by Dutchmaan · · Score: 1

    That's right senators.. no more calls for you on your next private flight either... or... was this law just meant for "the people" for their own "safety".

  72. No phones light by ubergeek65536 · · Score: 1

    How about having a few 10 minute blocks during a flight that you can you your phone. It would let phone get messages through and keep them from annoying the hell out of others for the entire duration of the flight. Oh, and make sure there are roaming fees.

  73. Sue doesn't use her phone in public any longer by wcrowe · · Score: 1

    This joke showed up in my inbox, from a friend:

    ***
    After a tiring day, a commuter settled down in his seat and closed his eyes.
    As the train rolled out of the station, a woman sitting next to him pulled out her cell phone.
    She started talking in a loud voice: "Hi sweetheart. It's Sue. I'm on the train". "Yes, I know it's the six thirty and not the four thirty, but I had a long meeting". "No, honey, not with that Kevin from the accounting office. It was with the boss". "No sweetheart, you're the only one in my life". "Yes, I'm sure, cross my heart!"
    Fifteen minutes later, she was still talking loudly. When the man sitting next to her had enough, he leaned over and said into the phone, "Sue, hang up the phone and come back to bed."

    Sue doesn't use her cell phone so much in public any longer.
    ***

    It might work on a plane too.

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    Proverbs 21:19
  74. Re:If they ban babies... by wcrowe · · Score: 1

    Not very PC, but I agree. Really, their little ears don't handle the pressure changes well, and they are easily startled by loud noises. Taking an infant on a flight is a form of abuse, in my book.

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    Proverbs 21:19
  75. Re:Really? by bonehead · · Score: 1

    MORONS tend to speak much more loudly than they would in a regular conversation.

    Fixed your typo for you...

    Decent quality phones these days have excellent microphones. I actually speak much more softly on the phone than I would to a person sitting in the seat next to me.

    But yes, the world is full of idiots who think that raising their voice is necessary when on the phone. That said, you can't legislate away stupidity.....

  76. Re:what reduction? by wganz · · Score: 1

    There isn't a true reduction. Just a 'reduction' in the increase.

    If there was ever a true reduction, there would weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth as if the 4 horse riders had arrived in D.C.

  77. Re:Really? by bonehead · · Score: 1

    If you want the expectation of quiet, get a hotel room, not a plane ticket.

  78. Re:what reduction? by MightyYar · · Score: 1

    Sad, but true. The "sequester" was a fraction of what is needed, and it cause a major panic attack. It's amazing to watch people in such denial, even arguing that you can just print money with no real consequence. Oh, and by the way, did you see that real wages have gone down since the 60s? [rolls eyes]

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    W..w..W - Willy Waterloo washes Warren Wiggins who is washing Waldo Woo.
  79. Babies by x0ra · · Score: 3, Funny

    Dear Senator Feinstein,

    Could you please pass a law to create a new felony for crying on a plane. All there uneducated babies are really, but really annoying me when I am trying to browse porn sites while in the middle of a transcontinental flight.

    Kind regards,
    - x0ra

  80. Re:Private Planes by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

    I think he was thinking more corporate charter and such, not necessarily strictly pilot-owned private planes.

  81. Fucking idiots forgot about the headrest.... by Khyber · · Score: 1

    Uhh, yea, what're you going to do about the phones built into the back of the seat, in the headrest? Ban those, too?

    Fucking ill-educated people running our government.

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    Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
  82. Re:Really? by mishehu · · Score: 1

    Not to mention that the other difference is that we the captive audience to somebody's cellphone conversation only hear half of the conversation, which is far more annoying that hearing the whole conversation at the same volume level.

  83. I'm OK with cell phones on planes by Snotnose · · Score: 1

    As long as they're OK with me using my taser on them when they do so.

  84. City bus != motor coach by tepples · · Score: 1

    Anonymous Coward was referring to a "city bus", and I took this to mean something like Citilink, as opposed to a motor coach like the Greyhound bus you're talking about. I agree with you that motor coach trips are closer to the same category as an airline flight.

  85. Phone Zones by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 2

    Maybe the best compromise would be to have phone booths, where you can go in and make your call? Anywhere else in the plane there would be no signal. Now how to make it so people share the space respectively?

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    Jumpstart the tartan drive.
  86. Re:Really? by ignavus · · Score: 1

    What's difference between talking on a phone and talking to someone I am traveling with as far as noise disruption?

    Because of low (or absent) sidetone on cell phones, people tend to speak much more loudly than they would in a regular conversation. Additionally, if the connection is poor people tend to shout. This is why most people find cell conversations disruptive.

    I flew from San Francisco to Los Angeles, and the people behind me talked loudly non-stop about golf the whole way. Aaaargh! If only I had a golf club handy I might have joined the conversation... (I was halfway through a 30+ hour flight from London to Sydney at the time, and I was rather tired and short of patience).

    So there had better be "yakking" and "non-yakking" compartments on planes if mobile/cell phones are allowed. We have "quiet carriages" on some of our trains now.

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    I am anarch of all I survey.
  87. Great by Dereck1701 · · Score: 1

    Feinstein again, that woman needs to be banned from government by a constitutional amendment. She is the epitome of what is wrong with current politics, she's a hypocrite, she'll jump on any bandwagon that gets her press, she has the common sense of an unsupervised teenager with a platinum credit card in a mall and she will twist the facts or outright lie to get her way. Oh and she's just plain crazy to boot.

  88. I am glad to be born mostly deaf. by antdude · · Score: 1

    So many loudness and annoying sounds, etc. Ugh(l(ee/y).

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    Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
  89. I guess by lissnup · · Score: 1

    airlines handing out ten cents worth of foam ear plugs for free instead is just too much to hope for.

  90. Re:Really? by jwhitener · · Score: 1

    And overhearing a one sided conversation is more distracting for some reason. It is like your brain is keeps expecting a response and is let down when each sentence isn't answered.

  91. Charge for Talking Section of Plane by Josepdin · · Score: 1

    Charge extra for those wanting to TALK on the phone. Make them all sit in the back.

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    TV-MA - the Beginning: "Ward, don't you think you were a little hard on the Beaver last night?"