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Streaming and Cord-Cutting Take a Toll On the Pay-TV Industry

First time accepted submitter ClarkSchultz writes "Harris Interactive confirms that consumers streaming video content prefer the practice of binge viewing.The news isn't a big shocker to streaming concerns such as Netflix, Amazon, and Redbox Instant which have been mining viewer habits data, but it has an important read-through for broadcasters like CBS, NBC, Fox, and ABC. Though ad rates could fall if more viewers wait until series are available for streaming, the payoffs for quality content are proving lush: 1) CBS says it paid $700K per episode for streaming rights to Under the Dome 2) AMC Networks has pointed to Netflix as contributing to the success of Breaking Bad after initial ratings were soft. If streaming wins, who loses? Front and center is the Pay-TV industry. A wave of merger rumors (Charter/Cox/Time Warner Cable/Comcast/Dish Network) indicates the industry knows the trend of subscriber losses to the cord-cutting phenomenon will continue. An online TV initiative from a tech heavyweight like Sony, Apple, Google, or Intel could also disrupt the industry enough to put cable and satellite companies into an even bigger tailspin."

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  1. costs by xobyte · · Score: 2

    140 bucks per month for Dish... I'm really thinking about going to just streaming and getting the Tivo with 4 ota tuners.

    1. Re:costs by DogDude · · Score: 2

      Does that mean that you have 4 people in your household, all watching "TV" at the same time, on a regular basis? Do you run a nursing home, by any chance?

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    2. Re:costs by SCHecklerX · · Score: 5, Interesting

      With a good antenna, OTA is really nice these days. Unfortunately, most new tvs no longer include it, but ota also includes an episode guide.

      Rather than spend money on a tivo, look into the homeworx or iview units. $40 for a digital tuner that acts as a pvr with your own USB drive.

      I also use kat to catch other things. I'd pay for a similar service if it were available, but alas it is not, nor will it ever be.

    3. Re:costs by larry+bagina · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nah, 4 tvs in one room, tuned to skinemax, spice, weather channel (don't ask) and playboy for an extended jack off session.

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    4. Re:costs by CanHasDIY · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Is your contract up?

      Don't be so sure. If you made any changes to your service during the initial contract period, you automatically get re-upped for another 2 years.

      Free installation? Autmomatic 2 year contract. Added ESPN? Another 2 years. Eliminate something else? 2 more years.

      And the customer service people do not tell you. And when you try to cancel, oh, there will be a $300- $400 cancellation fee.

      It's not just them - they all do it.

      That's why cable and satellite TV providers can all go to Hell for all I care.

      cocksuckers

      Not sure how well it will work with your provider, but I've gotten out of a lot of those bullshit fees and unauthorized contract extensions by demanding to be provided with a physical copy of the alleged updated agreement bearing my physical signature. No physical signature, no legal grounds, so fix it or I'll see you in court.

      YMMV as always, but I've been amazed at how often that actually works.

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    5. Re:costs by Megane · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately, most new tvs no longer include it

      If you want to sell it as a "television" (and not a "monitor") in the US, it is required to have an ATSC digital tuner. It may also be required to have an NTSC analog tuner (which many cable TV systems still use), but I haven't heard of TV sets with ATSC-only tuners, just external tuner boxes.

      but ota also includes an episode guide.

      The problem is that the guide data is almost always only for 12 hours ahead, and never that I've seen yet for more than 24. Apparently there were problems when they tried to make it longer, probably due to bugs in receivers. (I think the spec allows a full week.) There also seem to be some glitches with this data, because I have a DVR where the extended descriptions will randomly vanish, and on MythTV they often get attached to the wrong program. And one of the local PBS subchannels apparently has a guide encoder system that can't propely handle shows that don't start on exact half hour intervals (like :55). And then there's sports going into overtime, which the guide source can't automatically update to delay your recording.

      There used to be a TVGOS (TV Guide On Screen) signal that had one week for all local channels, but it was owned by (mac)Rovi(sion) and they abruptly ended it last year, demanding the equipment back. (Some Sony DVRs used TVGOS as the only way to set the clock!) It was also proprietary, though my Channel Master DVR could decode it. It was a sad day when it ended; now I basically have to check the schedules when I get home from work every afternoon to see if there's something I want to watch that I didn't already have scheduled by show name.

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    6. Re:costs by Bigbutt · · Score: 2

      Comcast:

      My ex decided to get a 2 year contract for Xfinity about a month before she left. After 16 months, I realized I hadn't turned on and watched TV for at least the past 30 days, certainly longer. So I took the cable box/DVR combo down to the local Comcast outlet. I wanted to switch to higher speed internet and dump the box. Unfortunately since they now encrypt all channels, I needed to get a little decrypter box in case I wanted to watch the news or something.

      Since I had 8 months left on my contract, I expected a high disconnect/change fee. Turns out it wasn't that bad. A few bucks a month for the disconnect fee totaling around $35 and I cut my cable bill by almost half ($132 before, $78 after). Since work lets me expense $50 a month, my cable bill is $38 a month.

      Plus, we chatted for a few minutes about my setup and he checked my account. Turns out when the original (ancient) box died last year, they replaced it with a wireless cable box. He gave me a new box and a receipt that I had returned the box and said to just drop the old box off when I had a few minutes.

      Seemed like a pretty good experience to me and I've never had a problem with Comcast. I've been with them since the mid 90's when it was telephone upload and cable download and have moved four times since then (so different cable plants).

      [John]

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    7. Re:costs by dpilot · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I've found that MythTV helps me watch less TV.

      Because MythTV is on the job, you don't have to watch the show NOW, when it's scheduled. Because MythTV lets you put gobs of hard drive there for recordings, you don't even have to watch it this week. At some point, you realize that you don't really have to watch it at all.

      As long as the computer is doing something useful besides MythTV, the only "wasted" cost is the tuner and the dedicated hard drive space.

      Plus some time you might actually WANT to watch that TV show or movie - "Day of the Doctor", anyone?

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    8. Re:costs by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      > Wow, that's a tremendous amount of time and money expended. Why not just download what you want to watch?

      It's illegal and you have to put a big fat "KICK ME" sign on your back while doing it. While #1 may not be a big deal for a lot of people, #2 certainly should be.

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    9. Re:costs by MightyYar · · Score: 2

      I'm an authorized user now, but notice that I was able to ADD service without being an authorized user. That is simply a shady business practice. They are "protecting" my wife from a lower bill but not from a higher bill. Changes of any sort to the account should encounter the same amount of protection.

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  2. The cablecos have monopolies on cable and internet by TWiTfan · · Score: 2

    And they also own the politicians who might otherwise support net neutrality. That gives them a lot of power in this fight. Basically, most people (in the U.S. anyway) have to rely on cablecos for internet. The only other option for most of us is DSL (which is much slower, such as in my area where the DSL isn't even fast enough for Netflix HD).

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  3. Broadcaster roulette sucks by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Will they finish airing the season? Will they air episodes in the correct order? Will they move schedules around so you have no idea where to find a program? Ahhh... obsolete broadcast model.

  4. Cut the cord years ago... by TWX · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...and really don't miss it. We've found that there are so many free options that it doesn't really make sense to pay for TV, especially when there are repositories with large numbers of episodes available, legally, completely free with no ads, and there are other repositories like Crackle with lots of movies and TV shows free with the caveat of having to sit through an ad every little bit.

    Last time we had cable, there were ads that we had to sit through. If I'm going to have to see ads, I don't want to pay out-of-pocket for the content.

    Best part is, it's easier to turn off the damn TV to go outside or to go do something else when one isn't paying for it and isn't so dependent on a set schedule.

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    1. Re:Cut the cord years ago... by Megane · · Score: 2

      We've found that there are so many free options that it doesn't really make sense to pay for TV

      Clearly you don't care about live sports, and neither do I. In my opinion, that's the only real reason to have cable. Sure, I like some of the shows on cable (whenever I visit my mom, I usually end up watching a whole day marathon of something like Pawn Stars), but it's not worth $50+ a month plus some crappy cable box with a slow UI.

      I'm old enough to remember TV in the '70s, where you had an antenna and rotator and still got a crap signal, and how the original point of cable TV was to get a good picture. With ATSC, I do have to point my roof antenna toward the transmitter farm, but I get a perfect signal most of the time. I've even used ten feet of speaker wire as an antenna in a pinch. Bad weather can cause signal loss, especially high winds blowing the antenna, but usually I can get a whole show recorded without glitches.

      I don't mind ads much, having gotten used to ignoring them, but there are some ads that are actively annoying. And there are some that are cool, too. I have more of a problem with ads taking up space in a DVR, but MythTV lets met cut them.

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    2. Re:Cut the cord years ago... by geek · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'm just the opposite. I cut the cord for about two years and am now back to DirecTV. My wife and I were insanely bored with the Netflix/Amazon Prime offerings and I grew incredibly tired of them suddenly removing content we had on our lists. I was also sick of the sudden outages and after Netflix deleted my list for the 3rd time I had enough.

      We can watch the new shows as they come on and can DVR them. I dont have to catch the shows I missed on TPB or Kickass.to and download them. I have access to everything I want AND I still have my Amazon Prime account should I actually want it (hint: we havent touched Prime since we got DirecTV back).

      I'd love to cut the cord but the offerings out there are pathetic still.

    3. Re:Cut the cord years ago... by Ravaldy · · Score: 2

      In Canada there is.

      There also is a huge set back if you can't get reliable internet in your area. Still too much bandwidth sharing going on.

  5. Sell content within 24 hours. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1. Show your programs as scheduled.
    2. After the show ends, post the episode for purchase within 24 hours.
    3. After the season ends, post the entire season at a discount over individual episodes.

    People want content and they want it right away. If you wait too long they will pirate it, or they'll just stop caring. Get the money while you can and stop worrying about breaking your business model, because TV is dying anyway. Adapt or die a quick death.

  6. Re:The cablecos have monopolies on cable and inter by serviscope_minor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The only other option for most of us is DSL (which is much slower, such as in my area where the DSL isn't even fast enough for Netflix HD)

    Yet another reason that TPB is so popular. Again, not only is it free, but better. My DSL connection sucks. Trying to stream HD from the iPlayer or 4OD or something is painful in that it comes out blocky, jerky and stops for buffering.

    Or, I can go to TPB and download a nice, high quality file which I can view without all the problems. And yes, I do actually get stuff off TPB which is available on 4OD (I am a license payer!) since the service is substantially better. For iPlayer I use the get_iplayer script which uses some mild back door to save it to a file. Though I must say finding stuff on TPB is easier than the on the BBC.

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  7. Re:The cablecos have monopolies on cable and inter by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While I have a tendency on Slashdot to post conservative posts. (I try not to be crazy conservative though). However I think it the governments responsibility to offer us a high speed Internet Infrastructure, and not the Cable, and Telephone industry who is in essence competing against itself.

    Companies nowadays don't want to get involved in big infrastructural projects, such as laying fiber to every home. Because of a lot of reasons. But much like Power it is becoming a situation that the internet is needed to function in modern society.

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  8. Re:They'd still be ok if they weren't crappy ISPs by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

    In my case, we still have cable only because they gave us a good deal on cable TV + Internet. The amount we'd save just going to Internet-only would be chipped away at by needing to purchase programs that we can't get from Netflix or Amazon Prime streaming. (For example, new episodes of Mythbusters and Doctor Who.) There were enough of these that it just didn't pay to cut the cable. However, my cable company (Time Warner Cable) has indicated that they're not cutting deals of this sort anymore. If they don't then cable will be going away when our current deal ends. I simply can't afford to pay $100 more a month for cable. We'll get our TV entertainment from OTA, Netflix, Amazon VOD (both Prime and pay-per-episode), and DVD rentals from our local library.

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  9. Re:Simple solution by alexander_686 · · Score: 2

    Maybe. It has been a losing game so far.

    There is the old quip for business that advertisers always wastes 50% of you money – the problem is figuring out which 50%. So, on one hand advertisers can better target ads – so less money is wasted so few advertising dollars. On the other hand you can now target your ads and thus charge more.

    IIRC, over the past 20 years, less money as a percentage spent on advertising, has gone towards T.V. (broadly defined to include all streaming services.). Data is a few years old so take it with a grain of salt.

  10. This is going to be an epic fight by xtal · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There's billions at stake, created out of virtually nothing (replicating a digital signal). This supports thousands and thousands of rent-seeking monopolists. The holy grail of capitalism.

    The RIAA/MPAA fights are just kindergarden name calling compared to the fight that's getting ready to be fought.

    From society's perspective, we should be well into the fiber optic cabling of the entire planet. These people will fight that, because it obsoletes their model. Once you have fiber to your door - and I do, in small down Canada - it's over. It's just a matter of time and everyone knows it.

    Google's fiber projects are just a small piece of what's to come. The dirty little secret is rolling these networks out isn't hard. It's all legislation and poltics stopping. The tech is ready.

    Get some popcorn. It'll be fun. I haven't had a TV subscription in 7 or 8 years now.. saving me $100/mo or so. That's a lot of money, especially when it starts paying dividends.. but I sure don't own any broadcasters. :)

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  11. Re:The cablecos have monopolies on cable and inter by Jason+Levine · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That's the position I'm in. I can use Time Warner Cable for my ISP or Verizon DSL. Not only is DSL slower, but Verizon has all but said they want out of the DSL business. They've ignored their DSL lines and outright ditched them where possible. Verizon didn't run FIOS to my neighborhood so that's not an option. Meanwhile, Time Warner Cable and the other cable ISPs have financial interests in people not doing a lot of video streaming. That's why they've introduced caps and "per bit billing." They frame it as a "fair billing" or "protect our network from data hogs" practice but really it is a method of killing streaming so that people go back to their (uncapped) VOD solutions.

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  12. Re:Why do they all fight technology? by sandytaru · · Score: 2

    If they know everyone is adjusting their schedules to watch the 6PM sitcom, then they can charge advertisers twice as much for that slot.

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  13. New business models will emerge .... by King_TJ · · Score: 2

    I can't remember who it was now, but I just read an article about a black stand-up comedian who is making millions off of a business he created where he produces low-budget TV shows. The key to his success? He realized there are many time slots out there on TV stations that need to be filled with content, but especially for the early morning (1AM to 5AM) -- the low number of viewers means they can't justify paying the prices usually demanded for the right to air existing programming. (That's why you see so many ridiculous 30 minute to 1 hour long infomercials in those time slots.)

    So what he does is he cranks out material on an accelerated time-table (shooting a whole episode of a comedy show in a day, where it would normally be done over the span of several days to a week), and using non-union labor. Half of the actors/actresses are friends of his from the stand-up comedy scene and others are "fresh out of college" people who want to catch a break in the business. Then he gives the shows away FREE to the TV stations to air, with the stipulation that they split ad revenue earned while it's airing with his company, 50/50.

    His latest tactic is creating multiple Court TV type shows, except none of it is real. (He said he was able to buy a complete courtroom set for only a $1 when a real courtroom wanted to remodel and get rid of all of the old furniture and decor.) He saves a bunch of money on production since there are no real litigants who need to be flown in, put up in a hotel while filming is taking place, etc. And the real win for him? These types of shows draw in a lucrative advertising crowd of people offering legal services!

    Sure, this guy might just be creating a bunch of garbage quality television ... but I think he's on to something. It speaks to the "big picture" changes, where studios need to come down to earth on the costs of producing programming. Today's actors are where yesterday's rock stars were before the music industry was turned on its head by digital distribution. People, now, are starting to say, "Hey.... I like the entertainment you make, but enough's enough! I'm not going to keep giving you this much of my paycheck for the right to enjoy it! Make me a better deal....."

  14. Re:The cablecos have monopolies on cable and inter by UnknowingFool · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My problem is that the government allowed the telecom industry to charge the public to build the infrastructure to build high-speed and they've taken the money and done nothing with it. And the government hasn't taken the industries to task.

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  15. Can we use a phrase other than "cord cutting?" by es330td · · Score: 4, Informative

    I don't know where everyone else lives, but I have yet to find a free wireless or wired streaming video capable Internet connection anywhere in the place I live. I use Netflix and Hulu but I still pay a communication utility for Internet access, so while I am not paying that same provider for cable content, it still is not free. All I have done is separate the data access utility from the content provider. Cord cutting is really a misnomer, few (if any) are truly cutting the cord, they just choose to consume content as Internet data rather than TV signal.

    1. Re:Can we use a phrase other than "cord cutting?" by tepples · · Score: 2

      People who pay for cable TV and cable Internet aren't cutting a cord; they're cutting a service from that cord.

  16. H.265 and DSL by Danathar · · Score: 3, Informative

    Although it's going to take a couple of years, you can expect H.265 to help DSL big time. I've read and watched several industry talks on H.265 and by far the two biggest things that H.265 will help is mobile/low bandwidth content delivery (DSL users were specifically mentioned) and of course video conferencing.

    Figure a DSL user has a downstream capacity of 1 to 1.5Mb/s of downstream capacity. H.265 will make decent 720p over those throughput capacities a reality.

  17. Re:The cablecos have monopolies on cable and inter by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

    The problem in my area is the total lack of real competition. In my area, I can only get Time Warner. Verizon FIOS isn't available. AT&T U-verse is not available. Another cable provider is not available. Yet most of them clutter my mailbox with flyers and ads about their service that I can't get. In Austin, it looks like AT&T is offering fiber finally (but only because Google is coming). My friend who works in the industry says that AT&T is hedging their bets by offering it in adjacent areas that Google Fiber will not initially service (if only to survive).

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  18. Re:The cablecos have monopolies on cable and inter by andyring · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yeah, it sucks, but there are other options. Here's one. Start your own ISP. No, I'm not crazy. Here's an excellent example. Here in Lincoln, Neb., a guy with an idea started a company called WideRange Broadband. (standard disclaimer, I have no connection to them other than as a very satisfied customer) They're a wireless ISP. They rent tower space on a few tall radio antenna towers around town, toss some Ubiquity antennas up there, and call it good. Yes, that's over simplifying it, but in the end, I have a little antenna on my roof about the size of my forearm, and I get a solid high speed connection for $30/month. And they're pissing off the local telco (Windstream) and cableCo (TimeWarner) because they can offer as good or better speeds for less money. Yes, there are some line-of-sight issues if you're in an older neighborhood with lots of tall trees, but it's a solid start. Shortly after I cut off TimeWarner, I had one of their people stop by the house trying to get me to resubscribe (at $49/month). I told him who I was using, and he got a nervous look on his face and said "Oh, they're not a real company, that's just someone's hobby" and left. I mentioned that to the WideRange installer a few months later when we bought a house and they were moving my antenna. He chucked and said "Yeah, we hear that a lot."

  19. record concurrent shows by SpiceWare · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I get 113 channels OTA here in Houston. With that many channels it's not uncommon to have 4 shows being recorded at the same time (especially older series that are broadcast just before/after midnight). I've been recording older shows like That '70s Show and watching them in order. Have seen a number of episodes I missed back in the day. Also recording cable series I'd missed in the past, like Burn Notice and Psych, that are now being broadcast OTA.

    I purchase other cable series, like Dexter and The Walking Dead, à la cart from iTunes or on physical media. I've saved $1300 since dropping DirecTV in January (savings = old DirecTV bill - à la cart series).

    I went a little overboard on the Mac mini setup (Drobo raid system, extra RAM, CPU upgrade, etc) so it'll probably be another year before the savings pay off the hardware investment.

    If anybody's interested, I've been documenting my DVR Project in my blog.

  20. Cable is disrupting itself by ZipK · · Score: 2

    Comcast and its brethren are disrupting themselves with high prices, packaged offerings cluttered with unwanted channels, and the truly awful customer service.

  21. Re:Here is why... by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 2

    One of my peeves is when I watch an old show, some of it gets cut because there are more commercials than when the show originally aired.

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  22. Re:The cablecos have monopolies on cable and inter by MightyYar · · Score: 2

    I see very little difference between government and private monopolies as an end user, and letting the government do it puts me in the additional position of having to make good on any debts or liabilities they incur. I think you put up a competitive bid process for a heavily regulated monopoly infrastructure provider, and just accept that it won't be the most efficient thing ever. Then let anyone rent the "pipes" to be the ISP/cable/telephone provider. In other words, the utility model. Crap customer service, not as cheap as it could be, and a little behind on the technology curve - but fairly reliable and available everywhere.

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  23. Re:The cablecos have monopolies on cable and inter by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Informative

    The telco/cableco industry owns the FCC, which is why cablecos are now allowed to encrypt basic cable and force everyone to extra-cost rented boxes (or put them through hell if they have the audacity to ask for a CableCard so they can use their own equipment).

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  24. Re:The cablecos have monopolies on cable and inter by mrchaotica · · Score: 2

    On the contrary, encryption of basic-tier cable was NOT ALLOWED until FCC 12-126 was adopted on October 10, 2012, as a result of intense brib...err, "lobbying" by the cable TV industry.

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