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Online, You're Being Watched At All Times; Act Accordingly.

An anonymous reader writes "Kaspersky Lab's Internet security expert Costin Raiu discusses internet surveillance claims that you should assume that you're being watched at all times. The article reports that Raiu conducts his online activities under the assumption that his movements are being monitored by government hackers. Raiu: 'I operate under the principle that my computer is owned by at least three governments' ... 'this is not meant as a scare tactic, but a rather as a statement of fact that should now be the default setting for everyone.'"

299 comments

  1. Early Posts Win With Beta by deconfliction · · Score: 4, Informative
    1. Re:Early Posts Win With Beta by Soulskill · · Score: 5, Informative

      We have plans to implement direct linking to comments. It's been on our to-do list since before the recent expansion of the beta test. It's one of several features we simply haven't had time to implement yet.

      Also, the way in which comments are displayed is still a work-in-progress as well. There will be improvements.

    2. Re:Early Posts Win With Beta by VortexCortex · · Score: 1, Troll

      So, you lied. That's an ALPHA, you fool.

    3. Re:Early Posts Win With Beta by deconfliction · · Score: 1

      Please be nice VortexCortex. I for one thank Soulskill for that response. And I thank you VortexCortex for a comment you made long ago about how we may possibly once again in the future be able to trust our computers (open source hardware designs shipped with the hardware, allowing users to do things such as compare power draw under simulation and reality to ensure extra hardware/software isn't running alongside the published design). And Soulskill, I'll take your word and start playing a little nicer. And Dave Schroeder- it would be kind of cool if you would weigh in with some respectful commentary as well. That previous slashdot article about a scientist being systematically harassed by a corporation rings entirely too true with my own experiences. If you have some friends in government, I would deeply appreciate your looking into my case.

    4. Re:Early Posts Win With Beta by martas · · Score: 1

      For what it's worth, there were aspects to beta that I really liked upon briefly looking at it, like a cleaner interface and more obvious "submission" link. If you reduce the whitespace and make commenting more robust, I'd be glad to switch. Also for what it's worth, I hope you guys aren't letting all the venomous hatred get to you. With the recent "Flappy Bird" mess, I've come to appreciate how much devs can be affected by unabashed user rage.

    5. Re:Early Posts Win With Beta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      So yet another basic feature... that should have been put in BEFORE you start redirecting people and talking about killing the old site...
      You know. So it could like.... be um... beta tested?

      How stupid are you guys exactly?
      In the rush to monetize you've just thrown out decades of common sense and best practices?

      And just hope that *IT'S NEW!* will cover up completely *IT'S CRAP WITH NO NEW FEATURES YOU WANTED AND ALL THE STUFF YOU LIKED IS GONE!*

      -/facepalm

      Really looks like you're just going to bull ahead with this 'upgrade' and to hell with all the people who actually made this site what it is.
      Kill the cow and complain when the milk doesn't flow anymore.

      Best pray really hard you find some new "users".
      You won't... But that's about your only option left. Hope.

      Damm gonna miss slashdot. Been reading it daily for 16 years. Had a good run.
      But yet again blind greed ruins something good. Damm shame.

    6. Re:Early Posts Win With Beta by Sapwatso · · Score: 2

      I appreciate the response, but I just don't think "we haven't had time to implement it yet" cuts it for important features which are working in the current UI. The obvious solution is to wait until there is feature parity, then start beta testing. So, while VortexCortex's response (http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4771749&cid=46207371) could have been nicer, I'd say it's accurate. A UI replacement just isn't ready for beta testing before it has feature parity with what it's replacing. And it's foolish to think otherwise. Routing any users to an unfinished beta, where plenty of feedback has already been given, shows a fundamental disrespect for the community. It should be taken down until it's at feature parity, then we can provide constructive feedback.

    7. Re: Early Posts Win With Beta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The invisible hand in the market created Beta.

    8. Re:Early Posts Win With Beta by EzInKy · · Score: 1

      Beta provides no clean way to bypass the BS and get to the the discussions, and discussions are the meat of Slashdot.

      --
      Time is what keeps everything from happening all at once.
    9. Re:Early Posts Win With Beta by Wolfrider · · Score: 1

      > A UI replacement just isn't ready for beta testing before it has feature parity with what it's replacing.

      --Please call up the Yahoo developers and shout this at them, they freaking ruined Yahoo email a few months ago. Kthxbai

      --
      .
      == WolfriderV6 == I'm willing to admit that *I just might* be wrong... Are you??
    10. Re:Early Posts Win With Beta by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 0

      Well, people have been ripping on betas and their lack of gfs for years, so it's about time.

      --
      (-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
    11. Re:Early Posts Win With Beta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're not finished writing the new interface, don't launch it.

      This whole herculean effort with to-do lists and simply not having time and all the work that's in progress is a drama that has nothing to do with the users. Don't ask us to join you emotionally in a pointless struggle that has nothing to do with us. Expect instead to be judged on the quality of your work, and roasted if you introduce regressions.

      I'm not just shouting at you but at all the other self-involved hipster-coders at large and small companies who seem to think this crazy narcissistic behaviour fits into some overall social structure when it just doesn't.

    12. Re:Early Posts Win With Beta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keep up the good work, looking forward to the final product...

    13. Re:Early Posts Win With Beta by liquidsin · · Score: 1

      My problem with this reply from Soulskill is that he's talking about a feature that's very core to the /. experience as the community has come to expect it. To say that it's been on the to-do list for that long and remains unimplemented is silly. And since they're redirecting users that aren't logged in to the beta, any new visitors are either going to see a site missing features and leave, or get upset at the constant change as issues are resolved. It really is closer to an alpha. Maybe calling him a liar and a fool is uncalled for but calling the website a beta when you're that far away from feature parity with your current offering is disingenuous at best.

      --
      do not read this line twice.
    14. Re:Early Posts Win With Beta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you banning "fuck beta" commenters by IP Soulskill?

    15. Re:Early Posts Win With Beta by deconfliction · · Score: 1

      mod parent up. I do agree with that completely. I was really trying to be a voice of temperment against the juvenility of the Fuck Beta crowd. I have a slight sympathy in dice/slashdot's possible wish to shake off some portion of audience responsible for some of the viler comments. But your comment and a couple of the others have made me rethink it, and I agree, it is worthy of rebuke that the claim is they just haven't gotten around to a 'little' feature like that, several months after calling it a beta. For your and VortexCortex's and other's reasons, I agree- It does seem just plain wrong to keep calling it even a Beta rather than Alpha, and beyond that, to be imposing the Beta on the users. I can't argue with that logic. Soulskill- I urge you in meetings with your managers to discuss this point. It's not like you don't already have all the infrastructure in place already for direct linking comments. It does seem really hard to believe it would take much time to add the feature to the beta.

    16. Re:Early Posts Win With Beta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There will be improvements.

      So you're terminally ill then.

      I'd say I am sorry but that would be a lie.

  2. Help me out by djupedal · · Score: 1

    I can see this being valid when banking or doing a search on 'ambassador reception' posting revenge sex photos about your ex, but what about when you're just being a dick in general? Should those recognized members of society care as well? Does the govt. have an anti-prick squad yet? You know, something besides the wonks looking for donkey punch culprits.

    1. Re:Help me out by djupedal · · Score: 1

      Thanks - it's nice we can relax and talk online like ***ing normal people without having to worry, I guess. If push comes to shove, tho, I'm switching to commenting in Chinese.

    2. Re:Help me out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kan lu, chui kang.

    3. Re:Help me out by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      In pre-internet society, those things were curtailed very efficiently by peer pressure.

      Your case is actually one that is being argued against internet anonymity.

    4. Re:Help me out by djupedal · · Score: 1

      In pre-internet society, those things were curtailed very efficiently by peer pressure.

      Your case is actually one that is being argued against internet anonymity.

      I think you mean acrimony. That and you may have had entirely different peers than some of us :) Sorry about your lunch money...

    5. Re:Help me out by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      I just didn't grow up a "US nerd", but a "Nordic nerd" (no lunch money needed - school lunches are free for all students up until university level) and I was also a guy who never scored less than 9 (4-10 scoring system) in PE. So I didn't have any of the problems most of you US nerds seem to have grown with, and I also seem to lack most of the insecurities which have their roots in that. I do get what you are saying though, and I still disagree. I think most people have strong destructive impulses, and internet anonymity unleashed them and not in a good way. Impulses that are normally controlled though peer pressure - most of the nasty stuff GP is posting about would very rarely happen in face to face communication because of the peer pressure element.

      As a result, his argument is currently the best argument against internet anonymity, and it certainly has its merits. The question obviously is if the pros of lacking anonymity on the internet would be less valuable than pros of having ability to communicate anonymously over the internet.

  3. some security expert... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If this so-called security expert cannot secure his own systems, why should we trust him to begin with to hand out advice regarding security?

    Also beta blows it

    1. Re:some security expert... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If this so-called security expert cannot secure his own systems, why should we trust him to begin with to hand out advice regarding security?

      Also beta blows it

      If this so-called security expert cannot secure his own systems, why should we trust him to begin with to hand out advice regarding security?

      Also beta blows it

      Because it appears the hardware vendors sold everyone out, you really should try to keep up.
      They could patch a lot of it but they possibly
      A:Cant talk about it due to the NSL's
      B Could but are interested in personal wealth, ie it would cost money and impact perceived investor value ( lizard speak for I want my bonus)
      C Want to but afraid of A:
      D Clueless

      This isn't about direct supply chain subversion although that is also possible, more about known backdoors/features that have gone from theoretical vulns. to just another execution point in the 'toolkits' of the people who are exploiting.

      swiss cheese is looking more solid than most trusted platforms these days.

      If you cant ensure the hardware is trusted, any code you throw at it booted is liable to be unable to detect any hooks, therefore any unsecure code running on the platform is just the top layer.

      Blaming someone trying to help people protect themselves, I don't know what to say.

    2. Re:some security expert... by dreamchaser · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Any security expert will tell you to assume that any system you are using, even your own, is compromised, whether it is or not and regardless of whatever steps have been taken to secure it.

      Source: I get paid tons of money to provide security consulting.

    3. Re:some security expert... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If this so-called security expert cannot secure his own systems, why should we trust him to begin with to hand out advice regarding security?

      That is exactly why I never take any medical advice from any doctor who is not at least 250 years old.

    4. Re:some security expert... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hi mike, been a while

    5. Re:some security expert... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (I'd log in to comment this, but I'm at a school network where they tell us they actively monitor connections and collect information, so please pardon the posting as a coward)

      While it's true to treat your system with some level of concern, personally I think that treating every machine as compromised is bordering on paranoia - if you actually treated every system like this, you'd almost be incapable of functioning in modern, ""industrialized" nations, as many rely heavily on that infrastructure to get things done. Treating every machine as compromised means you cannot pay in credit, because that system could be compromised; you can't purchase anything online ever, for the same reason; you can't put any creative ideas on your own computer (be they novels, artwork, or inventions) for fear that it will be stolen; and many other consequences. You'd literally be sent to not before the Internet, but almost before any computers at all. You couldn't even trust your TI-84s with information if you have/ever will link it up to a PC because someone might be able to get at it.

      Also, just a sidenote, and not an important one: your "source" is literally the most blunt and obvious of logical fallacies possible. Your getting paid tons of money doesn't make you an authority in any way, as evidenced by many politicians and CEOs, and an appeal to authority wouldn't even be much of an argument either. I'm not saying it negates what you're saying, but just something to point out.

  4. Dear NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Nothing happened today to me personally, just for your records.

    Signed someone not important at all.

    1. Re:Dear NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You miss the point. It does not MATTER if you are "important" or not. Seriously consider the implications of a total surveillance state.

    2. Re:Dear NSA by just_a_monkey · · Score: 4, Funny

      Finally, we'll all be safe. Finally.

      --
      How inappropriate to call this planet Earth, when clearly it is Ocean.
    3. Re:Dear NSA by Dunbal · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly. It's not the fact that you may or may not be watched right now, it's the fact that everything you do and say can and will be used against you in the future whenever it's convenient, politically or otherwise. I keep quoting this, maybe one day people will actually realize what it means: "If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him." --Richelieu

      --
      Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
    4. Re: Dear NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If the government can monitor all computers all the time, why did they let Beta happen?

    5. Re:Dear NSA by ganjadude · · Score: 2

      say you are a high schooler, you post some nudes, or send them to your boyfriend girlfriend.

      Now lets pretend its 30 years later and you want to run for office, well guess what the other party, or people who want to run against you in your own part will have access to that information to use against you.

      --
      have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
    6. Re:Dear NSA by Runaway1956 · · Score: 2

      Hooray for the Morlocks!

      --
      "Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it." - Charlie Br
    7. Re:Dear NSA by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      If you're unashamed of your past (harmless) behaviour it's harder for people to "use it against you".

      --
      And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
    8. Re: Dear NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Your attitude isn't the problem, the problem is how the incumbents will shape the public reaction against you.

    9. Re:Dear NSA by tftp · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If you're unashamed of your past (harmless) behaviour it's harder for people to "use it against you".

      This is not how it works. Not even close.

      Political operatives dig something up - often something entirely harmless, something that neither you nor any of normal people would even consider to be shameful - and they blow it up until it crushes you. Take, for example, "Dean Scream," or Swiftboating of Kerry, among many other. The defining characteristic of such attacks is that they are, generally, dishonest, and influence the uneducated audience, forcing the candidate to take defensive posture - which never helps. The attack itself may be an outright lie, or a lie constructed upon some foundation of a real event, or a real event that is completely misrepresented.

      Besides, a person who has nothing to be ashamed of in his past is either a saint or a narcissist. I am not aware of *anyone* who'd manage to live from cradle to grave without making an unfortunate mistake somewhere.

    10. Re:Dear NSA by c0lo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You miss the point. It does not MATTER if you are "important" or not.
      Seriously consider the implications of a total surveillance state.

      As someone that grew under a totalitarian regime in Eastern Europe, I can tell you it's ugly like hell.
      It doesn't matter that:
      * then, you wouldn't know if the other person would snitch on you; and...
      * now you wouldn't know if the computer/phone of the other's person or the ones you own/use would snitch on you (might as well add the nowadays almost ubiquitous CCTV-es to equations, possibly all equipped tomorrow with microphones);
      in time - quite quickly - the entire fabric of society evolves to "by default, don't trust anyone".
      Can you imagine a life where, no matter what you do, you need to use "steganography" (even when talking face-to-face)? Well, this is how it is in a total surveillance state.

      What are the consequences, you ask? The most immediate and with the highest impact:
      * one is likely to spend enormous amount of effort in balancing between "getting a message across" and "flying under the radar" (expressing the message in an innocuous way).
      * the sense of community is broken down (can't build meaningful relations while in a permanent "don't trust" state of mind)
      Even letting aside the economy mismanagement, the two above alone would be just enough to explain why the former "communist" regimes failed: too much effort wasted in "being paranoid" by everybody and too less "organic social efficiency".

      --
      Questions raise, answers kill. Raise questions to stay alive.
    11. Re: Dear NSA by anubi · · Score: 2

      Somehow, I am of the belief that the NSA is behind this beta thing.

      I get the idea that Linux advocates and NSA aren't exactly the best of friends. I would think the NSA would support a controllable business model, one that can be controlled with regulation and rewards, which will be a team player and work with them in producing consumer products for the masses.

      My fear is one day running an unlicensed OS will be as illegal as growing your own pot, making moonshine, growing food from unlicensed seed, or whatever. The surveillance systems to verify compliance are now mostly in place.

      Now all one needs to do is pay off some lawmaker to confer rights to doing something, as Congress can and will instantiate methods of legal extortion at the bequest of special interests.

      --
      "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]

    12. Re:Dear NSA by c0lo · · Score: 1

      BTW, don't make the mistake to think it cannot happen now because... you know?... "today/here" is different than "then/there" the communist states.
      Consider "managed democracy" and... maybe, why not?... inverted totalitarism

      --
      Questions raise, answers kill. Raise questions to stay alive.
    13. Re:Dear NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You miss the point. It does not MATTER if you are "important" or not.
      Seriously consider the implications of a total surveillance state.

      As someone that grew under a totalitarian regime in Eastern Europe, I can tell you it's ugly like hell.

      It doesn't matter that:

      * then, you wouldn't know if the other person would snitch on you; and...

      * now you wouldn't know if the computer/phone of the other's person or the ones you own/use would snitch on you (might as well add the nowadays almost ubiquitous CCTV-es to equations, possibly all equipped tomorrow with microphones);

      in time - quite quickly - the entire fabric of society evolves to "by default, don't trust anyone".

      Can you imagine a life where, no matter what you do, you need to use "steganography" (even when talking face-to-face)? Well, this is how it is in a total surveillance state.

      What are the consequences, you ask? The most immediate and with the highest impact:

      * one is likely to spend enormous amount of effort in balancing between "getting a message across" and "flying under the radar" (expressing the message in an innocuous way).

      * the sense of community is broken down (can't build meaningful relations while in a permanent "don't trust" state of mind)

      Even letting aside the economy mismanagement, the two above alone would be just enough to explain why the former "communist" regimes failed: too much effort wasted in "being paranoid" by everybody and too less "organic social efficiency".

      but I don't even own a stenograph

    14. Re: Dear NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well hey. If you want to avoid the panopticon, simply STOP USING compromised products from US companies.

      This boils down to NO to Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, Cisco, Juniper, etc.

      If you do this you will be much more safer. The usual good security hygiene applies nevertheless though.

    15. Re:Dear NSA by Kasar · · Score: 1

      Some legal professors have been noted to start classes with statements similar to "With 400,000 federal regulations, virtually every person over 18 is guilty of something."
      The government just has to figure out what you can be charged with.

      --
      vi? Who's that?
    16. Re:Dear NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing happened today to me personally, just for your records.

      Signed someone not important at all.

      Post the same message along with your full name and address, and you may have a point.

    17. Re:Dear NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I was quite disturbed the Merrian-Webster's online dictionary changed it's definition of fascism to more attached to the historical particularities. It is as if the words used to criticize certain policies and cultural transformations would be removed from our vocabulary just before the new order of total surveillance.

      the entire fabric of society evolves to "by default, don't trust anyone".

      On the positive side, this would produce some interesting software. ;)

    18. Re:Dear NSA by Immerman · · Score: 1

      >The government just has to figure out what you can be charged with.

      Nah, they have algorithms and lackeys for that. They just have to decide who to punish and how harshly, appropriate charges can then be found and filed.

      --
      --- Most topics have many sides worth arguing, allow me to take one opposite you.
    19. Re:Dear NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      35 years ago (alas!) I was a postdoc at a major American university. We had our first visiting faculty member from East Germany. I got to know him a bit, because I spoke German, and helped him to translate his papers for publication in English-language journals.

      Eventually I asked him what he found the biggest difference between life in the US, and in his country, where, after all, he was no peasant. After a few moments' thought, he said "It's that, in the US, you assume everyone is a friend until they prove otherwise. In my country, we must assume everyone is an enemy until they prove otherwise."

      And that, in brief, is the terrible thing about the NSA (and similar related government) behavior. Our belief that our government is fundamentally well-disposed is being undermined. When and if that collapses, then what will be left?

    20. Re:Dear NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. It's not the fact that you may or may not be watched right now, it's the fact that everything you do and say can and will be used against you in the future whenever it's convenient, politically or otherwise. I keep quoting this, maybe one day people will actually realize what it means: "If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him." --Richelieu

      That's just an argument that all the surveillance data needs to be publicly accessible so that there is no power imbalance between "the state" and "the people".

      Then if some nefarious actor decides they want to go digging into your past to harm you, you can do the same to them.

    21. Re:Dear NSA by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      Fantasy. Because the data will have to be stored somewhere, and there will be a doorway (physical or electronic) and a key. And whoever gets to hold the key gets to decide who gets to see what. This is called power, and it is human nature to abuse power. There are some things that are better left unbuilt, and the compendium of absolutely all the dirt on everyone ever is one of them.

      --
      Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
    22. Re:Dear NSA by bonehead · · Score: 1

      If you're unashamed of your past (harmless) behaviour it's harder for people to "use it against you".

      Your shame is irrelevant.

      What matters is that people in general are judgemental pricks, and the information that you're not ashamed of can and will cost you dearly when packaged properly and presented to the right people.

    23. Re:Dear NSA by MooseMiester · · Score: 1

      Thank you for sharing this. It is true all across the ex-Soviet empire even today. Everyone who thinks communism is grand really needs to visit these places.

      --
      Murphy was an optimist
  5. Big deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    They can find the same porn on hundreds of websites.

  6. Time to get dirty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess this is the right place to ask for some porn site links to make these hackers watching me very interested on the links, so they leave the rest of my stuff alone, or disgusted enough to leave me alone forever.

  7. Fuck Beta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The Slashdot content/comment quality is dropping fast.

    Also, Fuck Beta.

    1. Re:Fuck Beta by buswolley · · Score: 1, Insightful
      Beta is a government spying prevention program....Who could stand to look at people comments on the Beta site?

      FuckBeta. LongLiveAlpha.

      --

      A Good Troll is better than a Bad Human.

  8. Lick My Sack, .gov! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Time to look at midget scat vore bondage balloon pr0n.

  9. So be sure to surf as "unethically" as possible. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If everyone is evil, they have nobody to zero in on.

  10. BOYCOTT STARTS NOW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Join the Slashcott --- 10 February through 17 February GMT, 2014

    Fuck Beta!

    1. Re:BOYCOTT STARTS NOW by fisted · · Score: 4, Insightful

      mod parent up. i'm outa here, see ya in a week (or not). -logs out

    2. Re:BOYCOTT STARTS NOW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'll be back within 24 hours...
      It's an addiction.

    3. Re:BOYCOTT STARTS NOW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      THE AUDIENCE HAS SPOKEN!

    4. Re:BOYCOTT STARTS NOW by buswolley · · Score: 1

      AC

      --

      A Good Troll is better than a Bad Human.

    5. Re:BOYCOTT STARTS NOW by samkass · · Score: 1

      Whatever will we do without your whining? The place just won't be the same without a dozen off-topic childish posts on every topic!

      --
      E pluribus unum
  11. Your only escape... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...is choosing to remain inconsequential.

    Otherwise, anything dodgy you've done will be discovered, perhaps after being fabricated.

    So it has always been when the powerful are threatened.

  12. Re:corrination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sorry?

  13. A Perfect Defense by JimSadler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Anyone accused of using a computer for illegal purposes now has a perfect defense. After all if credentialed experts believe that computers are controlled by the numerous people of several governments then there has to be hard proof that the doer was the one who took those actions on his PC.

    1. Re:A Perfect Defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Anyone accused of using a computer for illegal purposes now has a perfect defense. After all if credentialed experts believe that computers are controlled by the numerous people of several governments then there has to be hard proof that the doer was the one who took those actions on his PC.

      You would have to have a terminal case of Asperger's syndrome to believe that any judge or jury would even bother to consider the above without overwhelming corroborating evidence.

      PROTIP: Unlike a compiler, people can tell when you're BSing them.

    2. Re:A Perfect Defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Your logical arguments will simply be ignored in favor of the desired verdict.

    3. Re:A Perfect Defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In which case that becomes a kangaroo court.

    4. Re:A Perfect Defense by Nephandus · · Score: 1

      ...thEY becAme kangaroo courtS.
      FTFY

      --
      "A soft answer turneth away wrath. Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head."
    5. Re:A Perfect Defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You would have to have a terminal case of Asperger's syndrome to believe that any judge or jury would even bother to consider the above without overwhelming corroborating evidence.

      They would if they weren't completely ignorant of technology. It is trivial to commit a crime with someone else's computer.

  14. Most likely they are pwned by NSA by n3r0.m4dski11z · · Score: 1

    Kaspersky is a horrid software. Hard to uninstall, lots of problems in a domain environment. We thankfull ditched it this year after multiple screwups last year including when client updates caused a significant precentange of machines to slow down or not talk to the network. Took them two months to fix that.

    So I am not surprised if he is admitting in a round-a-bout way, that they are hacked by the NSA. You load spyware into products, it causes problems - more bugs. I wouldn't be surprised.

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    -
    1. Re:Most likely they are pwned by NSA by Charliemopps · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Anecdotal evidence is usually not all that useful. Real statistics are more reliable: http://chart.av-comparatives.o...

    2. Re:Most likely they are pwned by NSA by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      Where's ClamAV?

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  15. just use public wifi by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    and people who own the join offering it are the ones on the hook.

    1. Re:just use public wifi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and people who own the join offering it are the ones on the hook.

      How so, exactly?

      OK, thought experiment. Suppose, just for the sake of argument, you go to Starbucks and use their free wifi to post anonymous threats against the President. Who do you suppose the Secret Service and the FBI are going to be looking for? The owner of the local franchise? The CEO of the company? Or some anonymous poster making threats against the President?

      What is that, you say? You weren't aware that the FBI and other law enforcement agencies can easily distinguish between an anonymous user, the CEO of Starbucks, and the local franchise owner? How spendidly naive of you! And just to add a touch of the Orwellian, unless you are very good at being a spook and incredibly careful, they can still track you when you leave Starbucks and go to the McDonalds across town to anonymously use their free wifi, even if you don't use their wifi to make any threats against anyone. It is actually quite easy for them to do. And they don't even need to secret any spyware on your computer to do it.

  16. Don't miss the point of this please. by DoninIN · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We started off with at least the half hearted assumption that this was the case, then the web and the net went mainstream. Society assumed our paranoia was irrational and silly. It might have been for a bit, but it clearly wasn't in the long run. One of the assumptions we made in the interim and that many folks still make is that, "There aren't enough watchers to watch every one of us" or "They might have access to my e-mail, text and data but they don't have enough people to read each and every one of those things" because we the people society at large, just don't get technology, even those of us who do, Watson super-computing and the Google search algorithm can be applied to you and I our behavior associations and the possibility that we will do something bad in the future... BUT brothers and sisters nevermind that, think for a moment of the possibility that those in charge, or some of them, with access to the spying they might use this access to do something bad, like leak secret e-mails from a popular Governor, that show he closed a bridge, or those who work for him did, as some sort of act of dickery, and so we catch him lying about it, and thus remove the threat of him becoming president... Really... Don't tell me why he is in fact a dick.. he probably is, I could care less, the idea is those with access to the NSA cloud can decide who is in and who is out in terms of eligibility for admission to the public sphere.

    1. Re:Don't miss the point of this please. by OhANameWhatName · · Score: 1

      those with access to the NSA cloud can decide who is in and who is out in terms of eligibility for admission to the public sphere

      Welcome to reality, please take your voting ballot and move to the second door on the right.

    2. Re:Don't miss the point of this please. by DoninIN · · Score: 1

      And choose from one of the two folks selected by the elite to represent you.

    3. Re:Don't miss the point of this please. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      total BS -- Christy's outing has nothing to do with the NSA. someone just forwarded some emailed they received to save their ass from jail.

      maybe someday the NSA will get involved, but so far it hasn't really happened.

    4. Re:Don't miss the point of this please. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "... can decide who is in and who is out in terms of eligibility for admission to the public sphere."

      Sounds oddly familiar.

      (Audio CAPTCHA: suffer)

    5. Re:Don't miss the point of this please. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As has been true for 200 years now...

    6. Re:Don't miss the point of this please. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you have a very valid point which is why this such a scary issue. However, the emails were obtained through a court ordered subpoena during an investigation and retrieved through back ups the government is required to keep. Which is how it should be done. I don't think government spying is right, but make sure you use valid examples.

    7. Re:Don't miss the point of this please. by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      They weren't forwarded, they were supplied as per subpoena requests.

      Still, point stands. Wasn't NSA.

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      Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
    8. Re:Don't miss the point of this please. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet....

    9. Re:Don't miss the point of this please. by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      I think you have a very valid point which is why this such a scary issue. However, the emails were obtained through a court ordered subpoena during an investigation and retrieved through back ups the government is required to keep.

      It's much scarier than that.

      The NSA has all the official certs, the exploits, and the technical ability (along with the ability to coerce/force ISPs, phone carriers, etc to help) to forge and place an email or any other digital evidence on pretty much anyone's system that they wish to, and have it appear forensically to have been created/saved/received on any past time/date they wish.

      Throw in a little "parallel construction" and you're suddenly a convicted felon on the way to a new, very "friendly" cell-mate for a few decades, all legal-like. This is a tool the Stasi would have wet-dreams about.

      It's too much power for *anyone* to have.

      Strat

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      Progressivism (aka US 'Liberalism'): Ideas so good they need a police/surveillance-state to enforce.
    10. Re:Don't miss the point of this please. by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yet nothing.

      The truly infuriating thing about the NSA is how inconsequential they have been. Don't get me wrong, the spying is horrifying and anger making...

      But we aren't even getting security theater out of it. They're doing things just to do them. Cases aren't being solved by PRISM or any of the other creepy programs.

      It's not just that they're violating our rights, they're also doing their jobs really badly.

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      Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
    11. Re:Don't miss the point of this please. by mrjimorg · · Score: 1

      Or... maybe they're doing their job very well, but what they're attempting to do is different than what you think they're trying to do. After all, this administration has arrested and charged more whistleblowers than all other administrations - combined!

    12. Re:Don't miss the point of this please. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You would think that they would be using their info right now to solve terrorism cases and trumpet it from the roof tops for PR. The fact that they aren't can mean any one of several things.

      1. There aren't many real terrorist. We've been chasing boogey men.
      2. The NSA collects the data, but is incompetent to find meaning in it.
      3. The NSA is playing the long game. Collect, collect and collect until its so ingrained and there exists so much info on everyone that by the time there is a real backlash against it there will be embarrassing details about everyone which will be used to dissuade and/or discredit dissent.

      While I think #1 and #2 are the likely reasons we don't hear about NSA success stories, I suspect the side effect in the long term will be #3. Bad stuff will happen. An NSA contractor will get caught blackmailing someone, doing insider trading, _or_ be found to be a terrorist himself (after all can you think of a more attractive job for a terrorist?). When that happens there will be a backlash and the dissenters will be blackmailed and/or publicly humiliated for their foot fetish, or affair, or some other unflattering and unrelated character flaw.
       

    13. Re:Don't miss the point of this please. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After all, this administration has arrested and charged more whistleblowers than all other administrations - combined!

      Do you have an actual citation for this little factoid? I would be interested to see what evidence you might have to back up this claim.
       

    14. Re:Don't miss the point of this please. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's too much power for *anyone* to have.

      It's also just a little bit too much paranoid delusion for anyone to have. Or so it seems to me.

    15. Re:Don't miss the point of this please. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Errrr, I think the Audio CAPTCHA you may have been looking for is clique. You are welcome.

    16. Re:Don't miss the point of this please. by DoninIN · · Score: 1

      Exactly this is to me the primary objection to whole program, as important as the rather obvious (To me) violations of the fourth amendment.

  17. lurk moar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    fuck beta

  18. Civil disobedience by Dunbal · · Score: 1

    Yes well if we were all willful sheep who never question and always follow the herd, I'm sure some people would like that - it would make their job easy for them. Too bad some of those sheep just keep jumping the fence, huh?

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    Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
    1. Re:Civil disobedience by halcyon1234 · · Score: 1

      The nose. Your post is on it. I approve.

  19. MOD PARENT *BETA* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Hey guys, I didn't read the topic, and I did not read the link posted by parent deconfliction, but I would like to take this moment to point out the necessary fact that BETA SUCKS BALLS!

    1. Re: MOD PARENT *BETA* by AudioEfex · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I wish you fucktards would stop trying to ruin this site for those of us who don't give a rats ass about these changes. You are pathetic wastes of space who cower behind "anonymous" postings. At least be a man and post under your own account so we know who the douche bag cry babies are and can avoid you once this silliness is over.

    2. Re: MOD PARENT *BETA* by HiThere · · Score: 1, Interesting

      How are they supposed to let the folk who run the site know how upset they are? At least it was under the first post, which is pretty much always a throw-away.

      P.S.: I may not be as upset as he is, but I'm not fan of Beta, either. I *am* currently testing it, and it's not really terrible, but that's all I can say in its favor.

      P.P.S.: This is just to test how it reacts to unicode:
      OK, it looks good before I post it, but it didn't show up in the preview...so now I'll post. (It was largely Greek letters.)

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      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
    3. Re: MOD PARENT *BETA* by dyingtolive · · Score: 1, Interesting

      You and your 5 other counterparts are going to get lonely without us though. We worry for you.


      And fuck beta.

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    4. Re: MOD PARENT *BETA* by HiThere · · Score: 0

      OK, unicode still doesn't post. And loading the comments took about 5 minutes. (2 minutes the first time, 5 minutes the second time.) The posting/loading problem is an obvious bug. My suspicion is that the problem with unicode is that they just didn't fix the problem that the old slashdot had...i.e., not handling unicode.

      It's a very good thing they've decided to fix some bugs before they roll this out, as it appears to currently be a very early beta. And they're wasting huge amounts of space, but that should be easy to fix, if they are so inclined.

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      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
    5. Re: MOD PARENT *BETA* by flyingfsck · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      The problem is that it isn't a BETA. It isn't even ALPHA. It is simply CRAPOLA.

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    6. Re: MOD PARENT *BETA* by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      BUCK FATE.

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      Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
    7. Re: MOD PARENT *BETA* by EzInKy · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Most of those who don't give a rats ass about the changes don't participate in slashdot discussions. They just pretend that they understand nerds and tech and whatnot. Also I guess I should point out that I am not "hiding" behind an anonymous posting even though I have the best posts are usually from those wishing to hide their identity.

      Seriously, why does Dice have to be the death of Slashdot? Can't the powers that be find a way to monitize an assest without comprimising that which makes this site worth visiting? I blame all those who don't browse the site at -1.

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      Time is what keeps everything from happening all at once.
    8. Re: MOD PARENT *BETA* by AudioEfex · · Score: 1

      They can let them know via the "Feedback" link at the bottom of the homepage.

      Ruining the comments section of every story so people cannot find and read the actual relevant comments is what upset me. It was the tenth story in a row I had tried to read the comments and gave up because of all these people "protesting" by ruining the site for everyone else by burying the relevant content.

      I should not have gone down to their level by replying, but to be honest- the audacity and glee some of these folks are showing, who are clearly enjoying feeling they have permission to act like complete trolls just hit my "rage" button. They think they are so clever - but as I stated, at least some people are doing it under their own usernames, but some of these truly anonymous coward trolls are really the most infuriating as they hide behind "Anonymous" because that's what cowardly trolls do.

      Unfortunately, this will likely just lead to them removing the Anonymous feature, which does have it's uses.

      As a reader of this site, this entire thing just looks like one great big juvenile excuse to let people think they have permission to act like complete trolls and it's clear that a number of them don't even actually care about Beta but are just using it as an excuse to get their virtual masturbation jollies. The glee they are taking in it is what is really infuriating - nothing worse than someone using "protesting" as an excuse to ruin everything for everyone else.

      Again, I should not have lowered myself to their level - but it's extremely unfortunate that their behavior is likely going to lead to some wholesale changes to commenting and moderation - these folks want this ship to sink entirely if they can't have everything their way, and are so selfish it makes me want to puke. But, I guess it's inevitable - everything good gets ruined at some point by folks who take advantage and manipulate to the detriment of everyone. I guess it's a miracle the site lasted this long.

    9. Re: MOD PARENT *BETA* by Soulskill · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, this will likely just lead to them removing the Anonymous feature, which does have it's uses.

      Not going to happen!

      Sorry the useful conversation is dampened right now. Hopefully it'll get better as people communicate what they need to communicate, and as the beta itself improves.

    10. Re: MOD PARENT *BETA* by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      I wish you fucktards would stop trying to ruin this site for those of us who don't give a rats ass about these changes. You are pathetic wastes of space who cower behind "anonymous" postings. At least be a man and post under your own account so we know who the douche bag cry babies are and can avoid you once this silliness is over.

      And I wish you fucktards would stop trying to let them ruin the site for those of us who DO give a rats ass about it.

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  20. Re:Lurker Here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I just wish they would get the hint and turn beta off..

  21. Re:Lurker Here by foobar+bazbot · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm sick of seeing posts about the beta.

    Well, then, it's your lucky day! Starting in 4 hours and change, a lot of us from the USA will be leaving /. and making no more anti-beta posts for a week! (The Europeans and UTC hardliners everywhere have already left.) Enjoy your week...

    --------------------

    Please post this to new articles if it hasn't been posted yet. (Copy-paste the html from here so links don't get mangled!)

    On February 5, 2014, Slashdot announced through a javascript popup that they are starting to "move in to" the new Slashdot Beta design. Slashdot Beta is a trend-following attempt to give Slashdot a fresh look, an approach that has led to less space for text and an abandonment of the traditional Slashdot look. Much worse than that, Slashdot Beta fundamentally breaks the classic Slashdot discussion and moderation system.

    If you haven't seen Slashdot Beta already, open this in a new tab. After seeing that, click here to return to classic Slashdot.

    We should boycott stories and only discuss the abomination that is Slashdot Beta until Dice abandons the project.
    We should boycott slashdot entirely during the week of Feb 10 to Feb 17 as part of the wider slashcott

    Moderators - only spend mod points on comments that discuss Beta
    Commentors - only discuss Beta
      http://slashdot.org/recent - Vote up the Fuck Beta stories

    Keep this up for a few days and we may finally get the PHBs attention.

    -----=====##### LINKS #####=====-----

    Discussion of Beta: http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&id=56395415

    Discussion of where to go if Beta goes live: http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=submission&id=3321441

    Alternative Slashdot: http://altslashdot.org (thanks Okian Warrior (537106))

  22. Being watched - flipbird accordingly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Before my finger touches the keyboard to log in, I flip it to the webcam.

  23. No surprise for anyone with a clue.... by rts008 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've always treated 'online' the same as postcards.
    Anything else was/is naive, and this was apparent to anyone that actually understood networks, and 'online'.

    Where the problem stems from, is 'security solutions' being added in after the fact. It(the internet) was touted as 'the Information Highway' for a reason...it was.
    It was never touted as 'the Secure Information Highway', and when commercialization hit the 'Information Highway', that did not change.

    This subject(internet security) is the poster child of unintended consequences.

    There are ways of doing business/secure transactions with networks, but it seems no one wants to spend the effort or $$ required to do so.
    Until that attitude changes, this kind of 'news' will be a regular, ongoing event. Convenience will trump security anytime money is involved...look at history for supporting evidence.

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    Down With Slashdot BETA!!! I've been around the corner and seen the oliphant; you can only abuse me from your perspecti
  24. Re:Ohhh, Slashdot beta makes sense now by deconfliction · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually, I like Beta.

    In all fairness, there are some things I like about beta, and some things I don't. I think the animosity is stemming from the apparent inflexibility on the idea of maintaining classic as an alternative indefinitely for those who prefer it. And perhaps for not fixing some things (aforementioned via direct linked historical comment) that could use fixing before deploying it on all (or even 25% of) users.

  25. Very true, but we can try to make the best of it by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 4

    As I suggest here: http://www.pdfernhout.net/on-d...
    "Our biggest advantage is that no one takes us seriously. :-)
            And our second biggest advantage is that our communications are monitored, which provides a channel by which we can turn enemies into friends. :-)
            And our third biggest advantage is we have no assets, and so are not a profitable target and have nothing serious to fight over amongst ourselves. :-)
            Let's hope those advantages all hold true for a long time. :-) ...
        As I see it, there is a race going on. The race is between two trends. On the one hand, the internet can be used to profile and round up dissenters to the scarcity-based economic status quo (thus legitimate worries about privacy and something like TIA). On the other hand, the internet can be used to change the status quo in various ways (better designs, better science, stronger social networks advocating for things like a basic income, all supported by better structured arguments like with the Genoa II approach) to the point where there is abundance for all and rounding up dissenters to mainstream economics is a non-issue because material abundance is everywhere. So, as Bucky Fuller said, whether is will be Utopia or Oblivion will be a touch-and-go relay race to the very end. While I can't guarantee success at the second option of using the internet for abundance for all, I can guarantee that if we do nothing, the first option of using the internet to round up dissenters (or really, anybody who is different, like was done using IBM computers in WWII Germany) will probably prevail. So, I feel the global public really needs access to these sorts of sensemaking tools in an open source way, and the way to use them is not so much to "fight back" as to "transform and/or transcend the system". As Bucky Fuller said, you never change thing by fighting the old paradigm directly; you change things by inventing a new way that makes the old paradigm obsolete. ...
        As with that notion of "mutual security", the US intelligence community needs to look beyond seeing an intelligence tool as just something proprietary that gives a "friendly" analyst some advantage over an "unfriendly" analyst. Instead, the intelligence community could begin to see the potential for a free and open source intelligence tool as a way to promote "friendship" across the planet by dispelling some of the gloom of "want and ignorance" (see the scene in "A Christmas Carol" with Scrooge and a Christmas Spirit) that we still have all too much of around the planet. So, beyond supporting legitimate US intelligence needs (useful with their own closed sources of data), supporting a free and open source intelligence tool (and related open datasets) could become a strategic part of US (or other nation's) "diplomacy" and constructive outreach."

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  26. Re:Ohhh, Slashdot beta makes sense now by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "They set out to build something even the government wouldn't want to watch! Mission accomplished."

    I think this is accomplished already. They could not possibly want to "watch" everybody. You'd have more watchers than watched.

    I think OP erred in saying everyone is "watched". That's simply not so. Their data may be collected, and it may be looked at later, but that's not QUITE the same thing as "being watched".

    Having said that: I still despise the current situation and it does need to change.

  27. Not a Lurker Here by rts008 · · Score: 1

    I'm sick of seeing posts about the beta.

    I'm sick of seeing posts about the posts about beta.

    But don't dismay, after tonight, you will get a break, as most of us(complaining about the beta) will be gone for a week....some for good.

    Maybe you AC's can compare recordings of crickets chirping when we are gone. Maybe you will celebrate...who knows?(better yet, who cares?)

    I normally do not reply to AC's, but this was too good of an opportunity to bash the beta! :-)

    So, AC, thank you for that convenient opening!

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    Down With Slashdot BETA!!! I've been around the corner and seen the oliphant; you can only abuse me from your perspecti
    1. Re:Not a Lurker Here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm not a fan of beta either, but the amount of entitlement coming from the regs here is ridiculous. This is a free (as in beer) service and nobody volunteers to do any of the coding or back end site maintenance either. Businesses, non-profits, and projects change direction all the time; if they don't they're basically admitting that nobody much cares about what they do. Occasionally there are some posts with thoughtful criticism but for the most part it's fuck this, boycott that, I'm gone etc. etc. It's disgusting and serves as a reminder of how juvenile and anti-social a large fraction of Slashdot readership is.

    2. Re:Not a Lurker Here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is a free (as in beer) service

      Well when you go pissing in the free beer, what the fuck do you expect to happen?

      The 'Oh but it's free!" bullshit excuse for fucking up something that's perfectly fine if left alone is way over-used, and elicits no sympathy from me.

      Fuck Beta.

    3. Re:Not a Lurker Here by buswolley · · Score: 2

      Entitlement? phooie. Free? Undoubtedly, we ARE the product then. As such, we want them to pay us the right way. With a site that works the way we want it to work.

      We are doing DICE a kindness by letting them know in no uncertain terms that they will lose us.

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      A Good Troll is better than a Bad Human.

    4. Re:Not a Lurker Here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good. Leave. No one will miss you. Stop posting and leave now.

    5. Re:Not a Lurker Here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I appreciate the free access and discussion here in slashdot. It's one of very few sites where I specifically allow advertisements because I want to support it and I trust that they are competent when it comes to security issues (e.g., JavaScript is enabled by default).

      I don't understand the goal of the new beta interface. I think it's awful. The new interface makes it very difficult to follow threads and view the discussions efficiently. I suppose I could quietly accept the changes, but the reality is, it's *so* awful I'm not sure I would want to participate in the discussion anymore. I'll probably be done if they implement it more-or-less as it is currently. As a long-term lurker and only-AC contributor, I thought they should know that, because although I don't pay anything for this, slashdot does garner some tiny bit of revenue from the ads that I see. They need people like you and me to keep the site going. If half of us leave because of the changes, and they don't get replaced by other people, then I assume that's not going to be a good outcome.

    6. Re:Not a Lurker Here by bonehead · · Score: 1

      Businesses, non-profits, and projects change direction all the time;

      "Change" is not the problem. You care correct, things change all the time, and quite often it is an improvement.

      However, not all change is good change. If I borrow your car and crash it into a tree, your car has been changed, but not improved.

      When you take something that works well and replace it with a steaming pile of shit, you would have to be insane to not expect backlash.

  28. FUCK BETA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    not even reading this article anymore jesus christ

  29. Please Read Before Modding Down by rueger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    by emmagsachs (1024119) Alter Relationship on Sunday February 09, 2014 @12:58PM(#46205013) I have visited this website on a near-daily basis for over a decade. I have greatly benefited from its community, whether +5 Insightful or -1 Troll. It thus saddens me to watch Slashdot be changed into a bland, cookie-cutter news site, a la the present incarnations of Engadget and Digg. I am perhaps in the minority in this, but I kindly urge you to read this post, and others like it, and to consider joining the week-long Slashcott [slashcott.com] that begins on Feb 10th. I realize that posting off-topic comments such as this is disrupting the Slashdot experience for many of you, and I do apologize for it. But can you honestly say that the new Beta interface does not already disrupt Slashdot for all of us? These anti-Beta posts can quite rightly be viewed as "a series of shock slogans and mindless token tantrums", to borrow a phrase, but since we feel that we are ignored by Dice, this is the best that I, like many other slashdotters, could come up with.

    What company directs 25% of its users to a partially-working, not-ready-for-production website? Please realize that Beta will not have the features that we want, because they interfere with Dice's plans for Slashdot. Dice presents Slashdot to their advertisers as a "Social Media for B2B Technology" [slashdotmedia.com] platform. B2B - that's the reason Beta looks like a generic wordpress-based news site. To be sure, a large precentage of Slashdotters work in IT, but Slashdot is most certainly not a B2B site.

    Nevertheless, Dice is desperate to make money off of Slashdot, even at the cost of losing much of its current userbase. Turning Slashdot into a social platform for IT "decision makers" is a Haily Mary attempt to recoup the failed investment Dice made in buying Slashdot. As they have revealed in a press release [diceholdingsinc.com] detailing their performance in 2013, this acquisition has not lived up to their financial expectations:

    Slashdot Media was acquired to provide content and services that are important to technology professionals in their everyday work lives and to leverage that reach into the global technology community benefiting user engagement on the Dice.com site. The expected benefits have started to be realized at Dice.com. However, advertising revenue has declined over the past year and there is no improvement expected in the future financial performance of Slashdot Media's underlying advertising business. Therefore, $7.2 million of intangible assets and $6.3 million of goodwill related to Slashdot Media were reduced to zero.

    The new Beta interface is not the result of a superficial makeover. Keeping in mind that Dice felt confident enough to present it as the new face of Slashdot to 25% of its visitors, it is safe to say that the new commenting and moderation system is exactly how they intended it to be. It is a new design that deliberately cripples the one thing that makes Slashdot what it is today, viz. thebest commenting and moderation system online today. From the users' perspective, there is nothing wrong with Slashdot that demands gutting its foundations and dumping the one part of Slashdot we exactly like. As others have commented, this is an attempt to monetize /. at any any cost [slashdot.org], and its users be damned. Dice views its users, the ones who create the site [slashdot.org], as a passive audience. As such, it is interchangeable with its intended B2B crowd. We, the current users of Slashdot, are an obstacle in Dice's way.

    This is why they ignore the detailed feedback we have given them in the months since Beta was first revealed. This is also why they now disregard our grievances and complaints. Their claims of hearing us are a deliberate snow job. It is only pretense, since at the same time they openly admit that Classic will be cancelled soon [slashdot.org]:

    "Most importantly, we want

    1. Re:Please Read Before Modding Down by buswolley · · Score: 1
      Say it with your real ID.

      If they don't want us, then they know how to lose us.

      --

      A Good Troll is better than a Bad Human.

    2. Re:Please Read Before Modding Down by stackOVFL · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Guess I'll join you. See ya /.

    3. Re:Please Read Before Modding Down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Guess it's time to fork the site and continue the mission.

  30. They want you to think you're watched and give up by davecb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is a standard trope in every epic novel from middle-earth to outer space: the bad guys want you to hunker down. To hell with that!

    Smiert Spionam!

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  31. Re:Lurker Here by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 3, Funny

    a lot of us from the USA will be leaving /. and making no more anti-beta posts for a week!

    A whole week without a bunch of whiny Americans? Bliss! :-)

  32. Re: Ohhh, Slashdot beta makes sense now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I am the master beta!

  33. A possible solution by TheloniousToady · · Score: 2

    The article reports that Raiu conducts his online activities under the assumption that his movements are being monitored by government hackers.

    I recommend you begin to conduct all your online activities in such an empty, sugary sweet, and flavorless way that who have regularly surveilled you for years completely lose all interest in you and instead begin focusing their attention on other online targets. Let's call this strategy...I dunno..."Security by New Coke".

    1. Re:A possible solution by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

      What you have said is interesting, however I am not yet convinced. I urge people to stay reasonable, and respect and honor their authorities.

      I think I've said this a thousand times, but it bears repeating; Moderation. Humility. Perseverance. Work hard and of course opportunity will come to you, sometime before you are 95 years old.

      Security is necessary, because those bad guys out there might not show us the respect and decency that our Security people do by treating us all like criminals. And no, I don't find it curious that identity theft is going on if they could trace each and every transaction back to it's source and that means they allowed it to happen -- that's just crazy talk. You need more moderation and humility!

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    2. Re:A possible solution by TheloniousToady · · Score: 1

      Darn, it looks like my circuitous slam on beta was a bit too subtle. I've been trying the artistic approach rather than the much more popular explicit/profane approach, which now seems a bit...shall we say..."overdone".

      That said, I think the New Coke analogy is apt. I remember when New Coke was first foisted on us. I felt that something which was "mine" (old Coke) had been stolen from me, even though it legally belonged to someone else, who had every right to withdraw their highly popular product from the market, strange as that seemed.

      Much the same feeling seems to be going on here. During the dark days of New Coke, we had no reason to believe that Old Coke would ever be given back to us by the Coke Gods. It now seems obvious that they had to, but it was far from obvious at the time.

      By analogy, at the dark moment that Old Slashdot gets withdrawn, we'll hope - yet not actually know - that the Slashdot Gods soon will see the light and restore it to us. However, the difference seems to be - and this is where the analogy breaks down - that Old Coke was wildly profitable but Old Slashdot isn't.

      [sigh]

  34. HOWTO protect yourself. by gavron · · Score: 0

    1. Either build your new system yourself from retail purchased parts, or acquire a used laptop locally. In other words, you go give money and get a machine, not have someone send it to you where it might be intercepted or modified. YOU pick the hardware seller randomly and then YOU take it home unintercepted.

    2. This is the part that hurts. Lock your machine PHYSICALLY so nobody can mess with it without making it obvious. I recommend a BIOS-PASSWORD, and then epoxy the case so nobody can mess with the chips without you knowing about it.

    3. Lock the operating system down so that nobody can enter single-user mode, or boot from alternate devices. I recommend whole-disk encryption, disabling single-user-mode or rescue mode, and eliminating the bootloader menu (I use GRUB, but the concept carries over).

    4. Lock the privileged access so that nobody can execute privileged commands, load drivers, etc. unless IT'S REALLY YOU doing it NOT UNDER DURESS. That means have alternatives so if there's a gun or warrant to your head you can appear to be cooperative but the end result is less useful for the villain.

    5. Once you have a configuration you like, consider it LOCKED, STATIC, FROZEN, and do not update operating system components, drivers, applications, etc. If you install new applications ensure you trust the source.

    FINALLY, now that you have the hardware and software set, realize that you're still emitting lots of data whether screen, network, audio, etc. ENSURE that ALL your outside access is encrypted. If you're able to, route it through a VPN or TOR. You may think "Oh I don't need to encrypt everything... I'll just use the web normally for nonsensitive stuff." This is a fallacy. It both shows what you DON'T put out publicly (black box take shape the more you do public stuff but then don't do some stuff publicly) and it removes your ability to claim that encrypting is not purposefully deceptive, because --as you should-- you encrypt everything.

    Also you've probably figured this out by now... but the COSTS to this security may include your destroying the device if it either fails to boot or appears to have been taken over or opened. It's a high cost in dollars, but it keeps your security absolute.

    Ok, there's one more thing. Don't be a dipshit and enter in privileged passwords anywhere where someone is using a cellphone camera, Google Glass, or security cams are in play. It's not like "everyone" has those magic keep-zooming-forever-on-stored-video-because-resolution-is-unlimited cameras, but you don't know who does and who doesn't. If someone really wants your root or administrative password and they think you're gun/warrant proof, a few hidden spy cams are nothing in comparison.

    Ehud

  35. That Palin Thing says: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "How's that 'hopey-changey' stuff workin' out for ya?"

    :: winks ::

    :: snaps gum ::

  36. VPN services by neo8750 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    So is there someone/place out there that runs checks on the VPN providers to be sure they arent just a honeypot ? If so where would one find such a place?

    1. Re:VPN services by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How was this off topic?

  37. Netcrime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was terribly dangerous to let your thoughts wander when you were in any public place or within range of the internet. The smallest thing could give you away. A nervous tic, an unconscious look of anxiety, a habit of muttering to yourself -- anything that carried with it the suggestion of abnormality, of having something to hide. In any case, to wear an improper expression on your face (to look incredulous when a victory was announced, for example) was itself a punishable offence. There was even a word for it in Newspeak: netcrime, it was called.

  38. I had a feeling that was true all along by FudRucker · · Score: 0

    thats why I never took the internet too seriously

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    Politics is Treachery, Religion is Brainwashing
  39. Stop the information embargo now! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We are probably under surveillance most of the time but it gets actually worse then that and its not from your friendly governments, this time its grays and they tall masters.

    If three letter agency is looking for you, you actually have some chance to escape but in the case of your friendly grays you may have chances to delay it by maybe few seconds and that's if you are actually lucky. So don't complain that you have no say because if you are chosen, then my friend, anal probing will happen if you want or not. And there is nothing that anyone could do to stop that.

    You see, all those talks about NSA this CIA that, beta suck, won't really matter in the long run. We shall start revolution but it's not what you are thinking, what really should happen now is to finally start telling people what really is happening on this planet, stop the information embargo now!

  40. Expectation of privacy by manu0601 · · Score: 0

    If we endorse that point of view, government will now claim in court that we cannot have expectation of privacy when we used Internet.

  41. Watched all the time by raarts · · Score: 0

    When I am on the street, I should assume being watched all the time.

    When I am in a mall, I am being watched all the time

    When I am in the airport, I am being watched all the time

    When I am in a stadium, I am being watched all the time

    When I am in a store, I must assume I am being watched all the time

    When I am online, I should assume being watched all the time.

  42. Re:Ohhh, Slashdot beta makes sense now by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

    In a court, or a kangaroo court, the two are the same for all intents and purposes. If anything, the archives are worse, because they can be manipulated at will.

    --
    "Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it." - Charlie Br
  43. Re:Ohhh, Slashdot beta makes sense now by dyingtolive · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If governmental institutions have the ability to retain the data indefinitely, and you have no way of knowing whether or not you're one of the ones being actively watched, is there a significant difference?

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  44. Re:corrination by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

    Is that a process used by the aliens who carry the anal probes?

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    "Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it." - Charlie Br
  45. Here's how I'd react to this if it were 100% true: by kheldan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Turn off computer. Call and cancel internet service. Spend internet money on more books to read. /thread

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    Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
  46. No comment. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit: 1)smoking, 2) amphetamines, 3)sniffing airplane glue, 4) Slashdot Beta, 5) Tranny Porn.

  47. color that site isn't working by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Firefox color that site isn't working on the beta. Sure would like to dampen the bright white background.

  48. Re:Lurker Here by westlake · · Score: 0

    I'm sick of seeing posts about the beta.

    I can sympathize with Dice for thinking that Slashdot has become inbred and insular and could stand the injection of some new blood. Posters whose thinking on any subject is a little more informed and a little less predictable.

  49. You're being watched at all times by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    This news is about as recent as 'white lists'...

    So... is it still paranoia?

    --
    “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
  50. Re:Ohhh, Slashdot beta makes sense now by ozmanjusri · · Score: 1

    I think OP erred in saying everyone is "watched". That's simply not so. Their data may be collected, and it may be looked at later,

    You're being watched, but you haven't attracted their attention yet.

    If you or anyone associated with you does anything that they feel the need to respond to, they will have your entire online life and a good proportion of your offline activities available to "encourage" you to work with them to solve their problem.

    Even knowing this is happening will change how many people behave. Warnings like this are part of the problem, real security experts will be working to block the watching, not adding to the chilling effects.

    --
    "I've got more toys than Teruhisa Kitahara."
  51. Fuck that beta by ppff · · Score: 0

    Sucks

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    x
  52. Re:Ohhh, Slashdot beta makes sense now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    They set out to build something even the government wouldn't want to watch! Mission accomplished.

    Just came for a quick last post... I was skeptical about the guy a few stories down who said he was IP banned and account locked after complaining about beta, but the same just happened to me, too. I made a few posts which I thought were constructive criticism of the beta... I will admit that I also made a few "fuck beta" posts, too, but not to an extreme.

    It's been a fun 10+ years, folks. Last post... I'm moving on to ars and other tech sites now.

  53. How about this? by DaMattster · · Score: 1

    Fuck you, Uncle Sam! :-D

  54. Re:Lurker Here by buswolley · · Score: 1

    I agree. Kill Beta.

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    A Good Troll is better than a Bad Human.

  55. Re:stop the beta whining by buswolley · · Score: 1

    Fuck Beta with a Big Alpha

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    A Good Troll is better than a Bad Human.

  56. Pfft... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shut up and go 'way.

  57. You haven't been paying attention by eer · · Score: 1

    It's not what happened to you that matters. It matters who you know, how often you talk to them, and who they talk to. Someone else will decide what that leads them to believe about you.

  58. A Wise Precaution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I live my life as if I'm being watched all the time. Here's why.

    There was a time when I got in some big legal trouble. What it was is not of importance, but the fact of the matter that there was a bit of prison and parole time to be served as part of the sentence. In prison, you have no privacy and you just assume that you're being watched at all times, by the guards as well as by other inmates. While parole provides much more liberty, the fact of the matter is that a parole agent or any police officer can frisk you, search your car, your home, take your computer for a week or more for a forensic scrub, make you piss in a cup, stick his finger up your ass looking for drugs, or put you in jail on a whim. It's no different than living in a police state.

    I'm passed all that now and I have the same Fourth Amendment rights everyone as everyone else. However, as a matter of maintaining my sanity and personal safety, I continue to live my life as if I'm being watched all the time. The cops don't have much trouble getting search warrants, especially if you have a rap sheet. You might think that I encrypt everything on my computers but I don't. I do keep one encrypted folder because it contains some very personal stuff that must be done with a computer. With that one exception, I live life in the open, I don't tell lies and avoid situations where things are told to me in confidence so I don't have to keep many secrets. Everything else of a personal nature or sensitive nature is kept on paper and written by hand.

    It's not necessarily an attractive way to live but I find that life is a lot simpler this way.

  59. I don't give a damn by msobkow · · Score: 1

    I'll do what I do and say what I say because I am who I am.

    And I don't give a rat's shiny fat ass whether the NSA or anyone else likes it or not. The NSA is just another potential hater. No big deal.

    --
    I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
    1. Re:I don't give a damn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh you will. You most certainly will.

  60. Re:Ohhh, Slashdot beta makes sense now by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How do you know WHY they have the data, WHAT their intentions are, or WHAT their capabilities are?

    Grabbing everything is absolutely useless to going after an enemy. Real bad guys aren't going to be linking to FaceBook when they search for bomb materials, and they aren't going to use their own credit cards.

    But it's great if you want to create profiles on people and control movements. If you want to build consensus and monitor people who are not convinced by propaganda -- absolutely awesome.

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    >>"ad space available -- low rates!!!"
  61. Re:Ohhh, Slashdot beta makes sense now by tftp · · Score: 1

    They could not possibly want to "watch" everybody. You'd have more watchers than watched.

    You are presuming that the watcher is a human. This does not need to be so today. Even existing, crude algorithms are capable of analyzing your writing, determining what languages you are familiar with, what level of education you likely have, and other things. The software can watch for certain key words and alert humans. The software can compare the manner of writing that you use to post on different web sites and determine that you are the owner of both accounts. The software can take data not only from scraping the public blogs, but also from intercepts of IP when they are available. It is already possible to watch everyone's online activities - the question is only in how much hardware the government is willing to buy with your own tax money to monitor what you do.

  62. new site is terrible! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What happened to slashdot?? This new site looks awful! Fix this! Click to read more comments??? The comments the ONLY reason I come here!!

  63. Sad but true by SuperTechnoNerd · · Score: 1

    For example, I just drove 3 blocks to get some beer. I was seen by 1 traffic camera and several cameras at the store, and who knows how many other private cameras along the way. Think about it, even in your own neighborhood. As soon as you step out you door SMILE! You are on camera!

  64. happily, this is almost as true of govs & spy by jinchoung · · Score: 1

    thanks to the likes of snowden and wikileaks...

    actually, it's long been historically understood that secrets have a short shelf life and have a tendency to proliferate sooner or later. moreso in the internetted era.

    ellsberg wasn't the first and snowden won't be the last. govs have their asses blowing in the wind too and that provides a nice little incentive to keep their goddamn motherfucking noses clean. it's nice that they've been recently reminded of that.

    the fact of gov activity as well as the work product is more or less guaranteed to be wide-banded at some point can serve as a protection where civil rights fail us. as in the cold war, the thing that keeps us safe is MAD... mutually assured destruction... sure you COULD use the breadth and depth to spy on kate upton's auto erotic escapades but that just means that at some point, that fact and the titillating surveillance itself will fall into the public some day. if you have a system composed of human beings, you're gonna have leaks.

    eventually, it will be that stalemate that saves us... the fact that gov or private citizen, anyone can spy on anyone else but the fact that all activity and all resulting data will be public information at some point will enforce restraint.

    actually, i think that MAD is the only thing that really works in this world. mexican stand-offs for all. because human beings are fucking dicks and the only thing keeping us from ass raping others is a gigantic, barbed wired cock poise at our own back doors.

    amen.

  65. It's why we have a "Law" by Stolzy · · Score: 1

    I don't usually mould my internet activities around the knowledge that my online activities are being watched by some data collection software somewhere in the world. My position is, so long as I am breaking no laws, I shouldn't have to care. That's why we have the Law, after all.

    /Stolzy

    1. Re:It's why we have a "Law" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, but laws can be morally illegitimate.

      Looking historically laws have been changed so many times so no matter whatever moral stance you have, at least at some point in time the law would have been wrong.

      It is naiive to think that no laws today are wrong or can be used to do wrong.

  66. Re:Lurker Here by PCM2 · · Score: 1

    Big talk from an AC.

    tl;dr FUCK BETA

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    Breakfast served all day!
  67. Re:stop the beta whining by PCM2 · · Score: 1, Informative

    in the meantime, please don't be the reason people stop posting and turn this into nothing but beta whining.

    Speaking of stopping posting, it's time for US Slashdot users to start logging out. The boycott lasts from February 10 through February 17. Let's make it hurt. More specifically, let's make sure DICE hurts -- we're not really hurting /. because /. is US.

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    Breakfast served all day!
  68. Borrring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I pity the software responsible for tracking my boring life.
    Can software commit suicide?

  69. Re:Ohhh, Slashdot beta makes sense now by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

    You're being watched, but you haven't attracted their attention yet.

    Semantics. It's arguably so but I would say that in the commonly-accepted meaning of the word "watched", it isn't. It's the difference between sending your tax records to the IRS, and actually being audited.

    In order to be "watched", you'd have to have already drawn their attention.

  70. I like Beta also by MadMartigan2001 · · Score: 1, Troll

    It rocks

    1. Re:I like Beta also by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You like "Willow", so your opinion is null and void.

    2. Re: I like Beta also by MadMartigan2001 · · Score: 1

      Your old enough to remember willow so you qualify for the slashdot geriatrics club and therefore, ditto.

  71. Re:Here's how I'd react to this if it were 100% tr by bunkymag · · Score: 1

    But how do you buy books, without the internet???

  72. Re:Ohhh, Slashdot beta makes sense now by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

    is there a significant difference?

    Yes. The difference is in actually having the government's attention.

    I did not say that anything about it was good. Just that they're not the same things.

  73. when you're outside and inside.. by strstr · · Score: 1

    There's a satellite starring at your goat balls.

    Electron imaging of your .. body, and its signals, dears.

    http://www.oregonstatehospital...

    NSA wants you to know you're being watched 24/7, regardless if you're using the telephone or Internet. ;^D

  74. Re:Lurker Here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Aussies are no better, mate. Even seen the Oceania whines on the WoW forums?

    And how does it feel being descended from the inmates of a giant penal colony, anyway?

  75. Re:Ohhh, Slashdot beta makes sense now by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

    This may be a generational thing (you must be new here). With the assumption that your UID implies that you are not yet a candidate for a nursing home or AARP membership and thus you started your foray into the Internet well after Eternal September, it may be that you LIKE the current crop of web sites with inflexible single columns, large, pointless graphics and very limited functionality.

    You must realize that us geezers are still getting over 80 column screens and those fancy modems that don't need to have the phone handset stuffed into the rubber doughnuts.

    Now, get off our lawn.

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    Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
  76. Re:Ohhh, Slashdot beta makes sense now by deconfliction · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Sorry ColdWetDog, you took your half court 3 pointer and air-balled. deconfliction is not my first account. In fact, if you imagined that anyone else _could have had_ that username with a lower UID, you would then have to presume that I was actually working for the NSA (which I'm not). My original account- jdogalt, has a UID about the same as yours. And if I'd gotten an account when I first read slashdot 5 days out of a week, I'd probably have a 4 digit UID or lower. In fact, I was posting to usenet (check alt.drugs, alt.philosophy.objectivism (i was young once)) since before the eternal september. (I think I first got a college account on KU's VAX when I was in high school at the age of 16 in 1991. I probably knew about usenet from my older brother who worked at SGI's ASD quite awhile before that. Now he is a VP at google)

    Nice that you can afford a lawn. I quit my 6 figure salary job at VMWare in 2009 when I had a personal hardwall office in the Xerox-Parc campus (VMWare had just aquired a large chunk of the campus). I quit because when I saw Obama give himself a 1 year deadline to close GITMO, it was obvious to me he had no intention of really doing it. I also didn't like the laughable idea that I was one of four people whose fingerprint was authed for the non-smart-card usbkey containing the private key for the vmware linux guest packages.

  77. p2p mesh on %100 open source soft & hardwar by rea1l1 · · Score: 1

    p2p wireless mesh based on %100 open source software and hardware

    Check this out

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  78. Re:Ohhh, Slashdot beta makes sense now by maynard · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Even knowing this is happening will change how many people behave. Warnings like this are part of the problem, real security experts will be working to block the watching, not adding to the chilling effects.

    I'd like to quote from Michel Foucault's essay "Panopticon" from his book _Discipline and Punish_. Here's a link to the a pdf of the text:

    http://dm.ncl.ac.uk/courseblog...

    But first an explanation of the term is in order. In the late 18th century Bentham designed a prison where all the cells pointed to a central guard station. Thus, inmates were always being watched. The guard house design incorporated venetian blinds and obtuse corners so that inmates would know that at any time they could be under the watchful eye of guards, but never know exactly _when_. The intent of this was to impose self-restraint upon the inmate community by fear of potential surveillance. That is, self-censorship imposed by an architectural design. Here's what wikipedia has to say on the matter:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P...

    Foucault took this idea and extended it to surveillance by authorities as a kind of 'social panopticon'.

    [...] The Panopticon is a machine for dissociating the see/being seen dyad: in the peripheric ring, one is totally seen, without ever seeing; in the central tower, one sees everything without ever being seen.

    It is an important mechanism, for it automatizes and disindividualizes power. Power has its principle not so much in a person as in a certain concerted distribution of bodies, surfaces, lights, gazes; in an arrangement whose internal mechanisms produce the relation in which individuals are caught up. The ceremonies, the rituals, the marks by which the sovereign's surplus power was manifested are useless. There is a machinery that assures dissymmetry, disequilibrium, difference. Consequently, it does not matter who exercises power. Any individual, taken almost at random, can operate the machine: in the absence of the director, his family, his friends, his visitors, even his servants (Bentham, 45). Similarly, it does not matter what motive animates him: the curiosity of the indiscreet, the malice of a child, the thirst for knowledge of a philosopher who wishes to visit this museum of human nature, or the perversity of those who take pleasure in spying and punishing. The more numerous those anonymous and temporary observers are, the greater the risk for the inmate of being surprised and the greater his anxious awareness of being observed.

    [...]

    [Panopticism] is regarded as not much more than a bizarre little utopia, a perverse dream - rather as though Bentham had been the Fourier of a police society, and the Phalanstery had taken on the form of the Panopticon. And yet this represented the abstract formula of a very real technology, that of individuals. There were many reasons why it received little praise; the most obvious is that the discourses to which it gave rise rarely acquired, except in the academic classifications, the status of sciences; but the real reason is no doubt that the power that it operates and which it augments is a direct, physical power that men exercise upon one another. An inglorious culmination had an origin that could be only grudgingly acknowledged. But it would be unjust to compare the disciplinary techniques with such inventions as the steam engine or Amici's microscope. They are much less; and yet, in a way, they are much more. If a historical equivalent or at least a point of comparison had to be found for them, it would be rather in the inquisitorial' technique.

    Foucault extended the idea of the social panopticon throughout all institutions of society, drawing parallels between hierarchical structures in church, state, and corporate spheres where a authority used the possibility of surveillance and the tr

  79. Don't run away now loser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You kept avoiding questions, answer them:

    "It only renders slashdot inaccessible, unless you weren't among those redirected to beta anyway." - by fisted (2295862) on Sunday February 09, 2014 @02:26PM (#46204297)

    Ok, dumb shit: How come I can reply to your posts if my upmodded technique works vs. beta redirects -> http://games.slashdot.org/comm...

    Hmmm, genius?

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    You also RAN LIKE A BEYOTCH when I asked you to validly disprove my points in favor of hosts files listed where it's a FREE download http://games.slashdot.org/comm...

    (Which you're clearly unable to do & yes - it's impossible, as those points ARE fact - & work, for many things regarding added speed, security, reliabiity, + anonymity to an extent even).

    APK

    P.S.=> You sure "shot your mouth off" here though, now didn't yiou (yet later you ADMIT it works, lol):

    http://games.slashdot.org/comm...

    NOW ,b>you have to "eat your words" - lol!

    Per your quoted words above? You're FULL OF IT, especially since I am doing one hell of a job replying to you, when you SAID what I pointed out in hosts disables access to this site!

    (My post you replied to http://games.slashdot.org/comm... IS highly rated, since it works to give folks what they want, not this 'beta' javascript riddled tracking cookie b.s., which opens the doors to malscript since javascript = THE #1 malware delivery mechanism, bar-none... even adbanners get poisoned by it, fool)... apk

  80. Which is exactly what governments want by Casandro · · Score: 2

    A scared society is easy to control. If you are feeling constantly watched, you are less likely to start democratic processes.

    This change of behaviour is what governments want as it secures their place.

    Additionally it's not hackers who spy on people. They wouldn't do this as it conflicts with their moral beliefs. It's companies helping governments, and companies like Kaspersky.

    The statements of this company's CEO kinda sound like the wishlists of many governments.

    End to online anonymity, so political protest can be surveiled much more easily. (as was done with mobile phone users recently in the Ukraine)
    http://yro.slashdot.org/story/...

    Digital voting which is much easier to fake in a large scale way than democratic ways like pen and paper and impossible to check by the layperson.
    http://yro.slashdot.org/story/...

    And here he even advocates for "cyberwar", claiming that cyber weapons are somehow cleaner than traditional ones, completely ignoring the fact that such weapons mostly good against civilians as governments can easily have their own secure IT.
    http://it.slashdot.org/story/1...

  81. Parents by holophrastic · · Score: 1

    Those of us raised by good parents have always felt that way. It's never been a problem.

    1. Re:Parents by plover · · Score: 1

      Those of us raised by good parents have always felt that way. It's never been a problem.

      Those of you raised by good parents were trusted with responsibility for your own actions, and didn't need constant monitoring. If you weren't in trouble, you weren't monitored.

      --
      John
    2. Re:Parents by holophrastic · · Score: 1

      Monitoring, supervision, and being watched are three very different things.

    3. Re:Parents by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      Oh, I wish I had mod points for you.

      For those who feel that their right wing or libertarian God would not allow such things, I give you the words of Ronald Reagan, "Trust, but verify."

      --
      Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
    4. Re:Parents by holophrastic · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah. My parents did a huge job of that. I had complete "freedom". Between a bicycle that I'd take out with friends for full-day runs at age 12, and a car at 16, and suburban neighbourhoods throughout, they never held me back.

      But man, the sheer number of lectures, and the length of those lectures, in the event that I did anything that they didn't wind up liking. Sheesh. The only discipline was the lecture, and it was always after-the-fact. I'm not talking about an hour in the kitchen either. I'm talking about four hour lectures in chairs and couches with the two of them and me in the sitting area off of their master bedroom.

      I can't even count the number of stupid things that I didn't do purely because I didn't want to spend four hours listening to my parents about it after.

  82. Then why the heck threaten to stop classic ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know I am writting software professionally and offering service. If I tell my user "see this is my shinee new beta, the classic will be removed soon" all the while knowing there is a lot of grip, like comment direct linking, all the while knowing there is a to do with expected feature not even in alpha, all the while knowing it is a work in progress.... Then I have to expect a gigantic backlash.

    Look I do not care about either the classic or beta, but the attitude displayed during the whole fiasco shows that people implenting the new beta and handling the PR, have no clue whatosoever how to speak to people, or when /how to give a beta software out.

  83. Re: Ohhh, Slashdot beta makes sense now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The prisoners are afraid of what the guards will do when caught, not the surveillance itself. They are in a prison after all, and have severely restricted liberties. The guards enforce that.

    Comparing this to surveillance of the general public only makes sense as far as the fear of punishment is the same.

    What freedoms you have and are allowed to exercise is the central thing here, not surveillance.
    If you want to talk about freedoms then do that instead of surveillance.

  84. "fucktard"? by newbie_fantod · · Score: 1

    Wow. First time in my 5 years here that I've encountered the word "fucktard" on /. (google lists a total of 1310 instances over the entire history of the site https://www.google.com/search?as_q=fucktard&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=all&as_sitesearch=slashdot.org&as_occt=any&safe=images&tbs=&as_filetype=&as_rights=&gbv=1&sei=52n4Up6oI8z_oQStwYL4Bg ) Looks like there is something here to defend.

  85. Re: Ohhh, Slashdot beta makes sense now by maynard · · Score: 1

    The prisoners are afraid of what the guards will do when caught, not the surveillance itself.

    I think Foucault would have argued that your point conflates surveillance with punishment. But punishment is only a meaningful deterrent when accurately administered. Therefore, surveillance crucial to determining what violations of policy have occurred. Furthermore, you ignores a crucial aspect about punishment - it doesn't scale. That is, one cannot punish every violation for there are not enough guards nor enough whips to strike at every instance. The panopticon resolves this by inculcating self-discipline through constant fear by constant surveillance. Therefore, surveillance crucial to determining what violations of policy have occurred.

    Never mind the underlying question of who determines policy.

    What freedoms you have and are allowed to exercise is the central thing here, not surveillance.
    If you want to talk about freedoms then do that instead of surveillance.

    What a fascinating response. One built upon the notions of "allowed freedoms" combined with the directive to focus on these allowed freedoms rather than the mechanisms inherent in imposing order. It seems self-contradictory at its face.

  86. Re:Ohhh, Slashdot beta makes sense now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So....

    The white van is both there and not there parked across the street until I open my drapes to check?

  87. Take them appart by samantha · · Score: 1

    This is far far beyond what we should just bear. Take the fucking government apart until they stop this behavior. Enough is enough.

  88. Re:Very true, but we can try to make the best of i by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As I suggest here: http://www.pdfernhout.net/on-d...
    "Our biggest advantage is that no one takes us seriously. :-)
            And our second biggest advantage is that our communications are monitored, which provides a channel by which we can turn enemies into friends. :-)
            And our third biggest advantage is we have no assets, and so are not a profitable target and have nothing serious to fight over amongst ourselves. :-)
            Let's hope those advantages all hold true for a long time. :-) ...
        As I see it, there is a race going on. The race is between two trends. On the one hand, the internet can be used to profile and round up dissenters to the scarcity-based economic status quo (thus legitimate worries about privacy and something like TIA).

    Those points doesn't make sense outside a US-centric standpoint. It is not and has never been about economy. It is about control.

    Well, at least he is right about that no one takes them seriously. Not only is he a complete crackpot, his understanding of the world seems to come from being taught nothing but propaganda and assuming that the total opposite is what has to be right.

  89. Perfect. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I love people watching while I jerk off.

  90. Re:Lurker Here by EzInKy · · Score: 1

    Hope you have something useful to discuss Mr. PHB! What is it that sticks in your craw, Mr. PHP? How to monitize this over how to monitize that? Why is a site free of monitiziation so against your inner being? Why are you so against free speech?c

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  91. Re:Ohhh, Slashdot beta makes sense now by Kasar · · Score: 1

    Given that the government has accepted the idea that copying information owned by a "person" (a corporation) is equivalent to theft, doesn't their scraping of everything equate to a seizure, and the perusal a search?

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  92. Re:Ohhh, Slashdot beta makes sense now by Kasar · · Score: 1

    Eschelon started some time ago, and people didn't get too worked up about it. It's the billions being spent to create a vast archive of everything, in case they (or their political allies) have a use for such information now or in the future. I think I find most disturbing that few on Capitol Hill currently are resistant to this, though they also vote overwhelmingly to renew the NDAA without amending to restore habeus corpus and Constitutional legal protections so it's not surprising.

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  93. Re:Here's how I'd react to this if it were 100% tr by Kasar · · Score: 1

    Just be careful what books you buy or check out from a library... they are watching.

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  94. Re:Ohhh, Slashdot beta makes sense now by Eskarel · · Score: 1

    The animosity is the usual Slashdot hatred for JavaScript. It was just as bad when they moved to what people are now calling "classic" from the previous version.

    It's probably also not so much a matter of flexibility as a matter of cost. Maintaining two UI's has a cost associated with it and that cost is probably 90% of why they're moving to the new UI in the first place(to make it more like the mobile version), given that they're building the new UI to avoid having to support two UI's I doubt they'd ever consider keeping the old in one in play.

  95. Hi, poet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's a shitty haiku..

  96. Act accordingly? by xenobyte · · Score: 1

    Either hide everything or overload the systems by acting extremely suspiciously in everything you do?

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  97. Re:Ohhh, Slashdot beta makes sense now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're being watched, but you haven't attracted their attention yet.
    [...]
    Even knowing this is happening will change how many people behave. Warnings like this are part of the problem, real security experts will be working to block the watching, not adding to the chilling effects.

    So we're all imprisoned in a Panopticon now. How annoying...

  98. That was 2004; Welcome to 2014: by Burz · · Score: 1

    1. Computer has glued-in battery, can decide when it turns on or off with no obvious signs (other than generating heat, but full power isn't needed to spy)

    2. WWAN/cellular built into motherboard, doesn't need a paid account to spy on you

    1. Re:That was 2004; Welcome to 2014: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meet my little friend... the tinfoil bag.

      AC

    2. Re:That was 2004; Welcome to 2014: by Burz · · Score: 1

      Meet my little friend... the tinfoil bag.

      AC

      Wash off the frenchfry grease before using it with your electronics. :)

  99. Re:Ohhh, Slashdot beta makes sense now by Eskarel · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's not so much "WHY" they have the information or even "WHAT" their intentions are. It's tremendously unlikely that the government has raw computer capabilities even as high as an order of magnitude more than what's currently available on the market. They simply don't have the expertise and such huge amounts of private money are going into the same kind of R&D they'd be doing. I suppose it's possible that all the cost overruns in every government IT project and every recent military project have been going into some sort of super secret project to build high capacity storage and really fast processors, but I think it far more likely that that money has gone to making immensely powerful planes that are useless in modern warfare and paying for 50 levels of contracting.

    The most recent data I can find indicates that in 2012 just under 28 exabytes of data per month was flowing through the internet and it was increasing at about 7 exabytes year on year, so a relatively safe assumption is that internet traffice for 2013 was probably about 35 exabytes a month. Based on an old whatif" from xkcd, the highest density storage we have microsd cards is about 160 terabytes per kilogram. Let's assume for the sake of insanity that the government can store 10 times that in a manner which is actually practical to process, so we'll give them a data density of 1.6 petabytes per kilogram. This is obviously insane, but let's do it anyway. By that math storing all internet traffic everywhere will mean 35 tons of storage every single month. Note this is ridiculously low and the actual figure is likely substantially higher not counting the mechanisms to actually process and archive all that information.

    None of that even comes close to all the data that isn't on the intranet that they're supposedly trying to siphon down, which probably easily doubles or trebles this figure. This is how we know they aren't storing everyone's information indefinitely, or even temporarily, they can't.

  100. The least they could do, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    since they pwn all my machines, is buy me some new ones because these i386sx/16s sure are slow!

    Some days, I envy my Imsai.

    No one wants to pwn it, or even remembers how.

    8?P~~

  101. Re:Ohhh, Slashdot beta makes sense now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All watching is with non-zero latency between data capture and any action taken on the captured data. Sometimes the latency is sub-second, sometimes minutes or hours and sometimes months or years. Until the government's records are erased all those recorded are, much like Schrodinger's cat, in an indeterminate state: being monitored and/or not being monitored. If someone looks, you were being monitored. If not, you weren't. You can't know until the data is deleted.

    We all have sufficient of the governments attention that they are recording as much as they are able of what we do on the Internet, scanning the records with automated tools and having humans review the records for various reasons and with more or less delay. How much 'attention' and of what sort does it take to satisfy your criterion of 'actually having the government's attention'? Maybe we should say, if a joint session of all members of all three branches of government aren't, as their primary activity, as it happens, monitoring all your activity, you don't have the government's attention. With this irrelevant threshold of attention, we can all go back to sleep, assured we still have our privacy because we are not being monitored.

  102. Three governments, you say? by Shag · · Score: 1

    Well, gosh... considering my laptop contains stuff from my .gov job, and my .ca job, and another job for which the foreign-CCTLD email has stopped working, that's three countries right there.

    (But that said, I'm about to rearrange some stuff on the drive so that if any representative of one government asks to access the machine, I log into the account that contains their stuff, and don't in the process give them trivially easy access to any stuff, passwords, etc. related to the work I do for the others...)

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  103. Beta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ABCE FKTU!

    Sorry couldn't resist my OCD

  104. Thinking something by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    different, maybe writing in some type of code, then I can see how many brainless twats who shouldn't be on slashdot, continue to insult those that could careless about the site changing it's appearance.

    I don't mind the change, we can weed out those that are using it as a political spring board. The same people who follow Uncle Sam's propaganda..

  105. Fuck you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... and Beta, too!

    +5 Informative

  106. Re:Ohhh, Slashdot beta makes sense now by Wootery · · Score: 1

    Strongly disagree. If they're spying on you, then you're being watched. That's what it means. The NSA might hope to dilute the perception of this being a violation, but you're still being watched. That they haven't singled you out for special treatment is a different matter.

    Example: The NSA aren't watching innocent people is false.

  107. I wonder by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

    If this is true which three Gubermints Owned Edward Snowden's PC?

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  108. You're late to the party by Virtucon · · Score: 1

    If you live in the US it's already spelled out for you. Using a website or service on the Internet is trusting information to a third party and you have no reasonable expectation of privacy under the 4th Amendment.

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    Harrison's Postulate - "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism"
    1. Re:You're late to the party by manu0601 · · Score: 1

      This is for data you store at third parties. Status of government-operated spyware on your machine is not cleared.

    2. Re:You're late to the party by Virtucon · · Score: 1

      Okay, I'll bite on that one. Show me the government operated spyware/malware and that it's been used to illegally obtain data without a warrant on its own citizens? I'm no fool not to believe that it's not used as a weapon, i.e., Stuxnet. Shit, put up a web server out there and you'll have thousands of hacks daily from China, Eastern Europe and Russia all trying to hack into your system. The Internet isn't Mr. Rogers neighborhood, it's more like a dark back alley in Newark.

      Any service you use on the Internet is trusting information to a third party. Even your posts here represent that you don't have a reasonable expectation of privacy. Google has said that for any of their services you use as well. Do you use their javascript libraries? If so I'll bet there's little tidbits in there tracking you as well, the only thing is at least their honest about it, scumbags but honest scumbags.

      Without any clear evidence of putting malware on citizens computers, I'd state that it's hearsay. One thing we have to remember is that Snowden and his friends in the press must keep themselves relevant and while I do believe a lot of material was obtained from the NSA et al some of it is absolutely ridiculous and looks made up. Look at this diagram. Does it look like it was made by a professional working in the NSA or by some guy who has an understanding of SSL edge termination? It has no depth of knowledge and could easily come out of a test for your CCXX certification. So while I believe most of the story, I think a lot of it is played the fuck out and either the citizens in the US, UK and around the world tell their government to stop this and protest it, nothing will change. Do I believe that the government is installing malware deliberately? It's possible but not probable on a large scale and if they were caught doing it without a warrant, then I'd believe a little more but don't keep falling for everything you read! I'll give you an example of the news can get out of hand and things can get made up because of hysteria.

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    3. Re:You're late to the party by manu0601 · · Score: 1

      Look at this diagram. [washingtonpost.com] Does it look like it was made by a professional working in the NSA or by some guy who has an understanding of SSL edge termination? It has no depth of knowledge and could easily come out of a test for your CCXX certification.

      The diagram looks relevant: Google seems to have SSL-enabled front-ends that forward unencrypted requests to back-ends. But since the back-ends and the front-ends are not in the same datacenter, the traffic between them can be easily captured. This is how I understand this diagram.

    4. Re:You're late to the party by Virtucon · · Score: 1

      yes, SSL edge termination is standard practice and like I said, this isn't professional in terms of something the NSA would produce to show people who weren't network engineers, it's hokey and quickly made up to make it look like something the NSA had on file when any person knowing about this technology could sketch it together. I venture to say it's fluff. What Google does DC to DC is probably not that naieve but sent over encrypted tunnels, so intercepting the traffic isn't that easy. Since I don't have a network topology from Google, let's assume that their engineers are a bit more intelligent than this drawing and say that DC to DC is over encrypted tunnels and services. That means the naive assumption that it's highly vulnerable between DCs falls flat on its face.

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    5. Re:You're late to the party by manu0601 · · Score: 1

      What Google does DC to DC is probably not that naieve but sent over encrypted tunnels, so intercepting the traffic isn't that easy.

      I understood they did not did it so wisely. They had a program to improve encryption, which has been sped up after NSA revelations

    6. Re:You're late to the party by Virtucon · · Score: 1

      Well any Network Engineer or Architect who'd allow that to happen wouldn't have a career anymore and therefore this part of story is a bunch of BS. Thus the retarded press picks it up and uses whatever scare mongering they can to say the sky is falling.

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    7. Re:You're late to the party by manu0601 · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, experience shows that everywhere, stupid design decisions and crappy implementation are made. Moreover, security-aware engineers have to deal with other constraints like costs or priority, and management stupidity also plays a role. I have no problem to admit it could have happened at Google too.

    8. Re:You're late to the party by Virtucon · · Score: 1

      you just said it "could have" again, speculation on everybody's part and that's what this is all about. Throw a few chicken scratch drawings together and it becomes defacto truth. Don't believe everything you read in the press or online.

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    9. Re:You're late to the party by manu0601 · · Score: 1

      Then how do you interpret the speeding up of the encryption project, reported by Google employees? Note that this is not client to server encryption, where nothing changed recently.

    10. Re:You're late to the party by Virtucon · · Score: 1

      Faux response or maybe they've decided to get away from SSL edge termination? With all of the PCI / Credit Card data thefts of late I'd suspect a lot of companies are re-thinking SSL Edge Termination and flat networks. With all of the NSA BS in the press I'd suspect that even if I had Network layer encryption (tunnels etc.) that traffic now going across those tunnels would be re-thought to mandate that it be encrypted too. FUD is always a great tool for freeing up money to solve problems that don't really exist or to give a false sense of security to executives who don't like answering questions about data breaches. If Google wasn't at least providing tunnel encryption between DCs and using the most secure protocols available, then they should be fired. Not actually having full disclosure from Google doesn't mean they negligent. Another example is I'm sure Target Stores is investing heavily in new network gear and consulting services to restructure their data network to avoid having their execs having to testify before congress again. Funny isn't it, credit card information gets stolen and congress is all over it like flies on shit but if the NSA steals data en masse it gets a congressional "Meh" after a couple of hearings and some "shhhh" from the President and members of the Intelligence committees. Meanwhile all the security theater in the world can't stop a couple of looney brothers in Boston from blowing up a marathon even though the Russians warned us about them. Or the dumbass trying to blow up a plane with his underwear, his father warning people about it and our own intelligence people telling the State Department not to revoke his visa. Yeah that kind of retarded response from our government means that the NSA has to suck up data wholesale because they're covering up the fact that they're retards who can't take warnings seriously and act in our best interests. It's all about misdirection. Look Puppies!

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  109. Wait.. by Virtucon · · Score: 1

    But All the local bookstores are now closed because of Amazon, that means I'll have to go to the public library and buy my books there. Wait, that means I'm using the Internet and I can't do that. I mean the UPS man will know what I've received packages, so he may be tracking me as well. Oh I can't check out books either because the Library is tracking me as well!

    The end of knowledge is upon us!

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  110. Many religions suggest God is always watching too by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

    Example, by a priest (Msgr. Charles Pope): http://blog.adw.org/2010/05/th...
    "The Problem of Privacy: God is Watching... And So Are Many Others! ...
    There is a second sense however in which I use the the phrase the "Problem of Privacy." In a very important way we must remember that there has never been anything private about our life to God. He sees everything. He is the searcher of minds and hearts. The Book of Hebrews says that to him everything lies naked and exposed (Heb 4:13). No thought, deliberation or action of ours is hidden from God. One of the problems of the modern age is that we are too easily forgetful of the fact that God witnesses everything we do. ...
    So, absolute privacy is an illusion. We may well be able to carve out some privacy from one another and well we should. But we should not seek privacy from God nor can we. There is something increasingly medicinal about practicing the presence of God. The more we experience that God is present and watching the more we accept him on his own terms and do not try to reinvent him, them more we do this the more our behavior can be reformed. A little salutary fear can be medicinal while we wait for the more perfect motive of love to drive out sin.
    What I am ultimately saying is that too much demand for privacy can also be a problem. In the end the Lord intends for us to live in community where we are accountable to others. Some degree of accountability and transparency is helpful and necessary for us. It is clear that there are significant problems with the erosion of our privacy today. We ought to continue to insist that proper boundaries should be respected. However we should also remember that some demands for privacy are unrealistic. At some level we simply need to accept that the being online is the same as being in public with your name tag on. That's just the way it is, so behave yourself. You might change your name on-line but guess what, it's really those little numbers that identify you. Mine are: 76.1**.3*.6*5 (I have put asterisks as a form of non-disclosure there are acutal numbers in the place of them). Where-ever I go those little numbers say it's me even if I lie about the fact that its me. Now we may lament this but I think it is better simply to say, when I am on-line I am in public with a name tag on. There is nothing private about Internet or e-mail or texting or anything else that uses the public airways, or communication lines. That's just the way it is and knowing this can be salutary.
    Finding the proper balance between our public and private lives can be difficult. Surely privacy is to be insisted upon in many cases. But it is also true that overly expansive assumptions of privacy are neither possible nor always healthy. Being in public will always be a necessary part of our life and being aware when we are in public is important. You are in public right now because you are on-line. ..."

    If you've been raised in any kind of deeply religious household (whether you still believe the dogma as an adult), the above concept of lack of privacy (from God) was ingrained in you from an early age. You were expected to act uprightly at all times -- and, as in Catholicism, regularly confess otherwise. I wonder how much that affects a person's expectations then about privacy on the internet or acceptance of a lack thereof?

    Also, if you grow up in a big family, privacy is in practice hard to find (privacy from other family members, even if family members may sometimes protect your "privacy" from outsiders). Same for those living in small towns (including perhaps college towns).

    For those who believe our universe is a simulation, there is also effectively no "privacy" -- any more than a simulated sprite in "Driver: San Franciso" or "Minecraft" has privacy relative to the player (including a player with

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  111. Re: Ohhh, Slashdot beta makes sense now by link-error · · Score: 1

    Have you ever heard of dedupe? Try your numbers again.

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  112. sdf;/s'l; by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i'd log in to my account, but I can't figure out the beta login interface.

  113. I don't care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let them watch my transsexual porn, I don't care.

  114. Re:Very true, but we can try to make the best of i by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    dissenters to the scarcity-based economic status quo

    You mean the people when a farmer builds a farm, we should end protections on his crops so hoards roaming the hills can loot it again, like pre-civilization days?

    Yeah, that worked out well for hundreds of thousands of years.

    Nah, I'll take my modern covilization with legally-thwarted hunter-gatherer impulses, thank you, any day over your theft-based system where nothing gets done because it's mathematically indistinguishible from a heavily corrupy nation with kickbacks to get anything done. These nations cannot feed themselves, much less invent computers to type on.

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  115. Re:Very true, but we can try to make the best of i by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    Basically, you have a child's viewpoint where things magically appear, and you cannot understand why, so why-oh-why can't you be the one to hunter-gather that magical stuff?

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  116. yes, they are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Alphabet groups also have to spend time on "you" and quantify where you fit in the threat spectrum curve. So, there will be a certain amount of human attention as well, reading of emails, looking at your browsing that has been red flagged by automated processes, and even monitoring your communications such as email and phone conversations if you look even slightly interesting as to your political beliefs and personal associations and associated nodes.

  117. But then, of course, you're nearly always online by TentativeFate · · Score: 1

    There's a CC camera at every street corner, and soon on every person.
    If you've resigned to being watched whenever you're online, you've resigned to being watched nearly always.

  118. Re:Ohhh, Slashdot beta makes sense now by Ozymandias_KoK · · Score: 1

    I'm confused - why did you quit your VMware job because Obama wasn't really going to close Gitmo?

  119. Re:Ohhh, Slashdot beta makes sense now by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

    I think OP erred in saying everyone is "watched". That's simply not so. Their data may be collected, and it may be looked at later, but that's not QUITE the same thing as "being watched".

    I would have to agree: because it's collected and stored indefinitely, you can be watched at any time. This is even worse than just being watched. Now you can be watched at will, and things can be manipulated (think selectively edited) to make things look other than they are.

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  120. good... watch this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuck you, NSA!

  121. Problem with it becoming the default IMO... by Travelsonic · · Score: 1

    is that it becoming the default means it will become a norm, and then more accepted - instead of people asking "Why should it be this way? Why can't we do more to ensure less surveillance? "

    Fuck it becoming a norm.

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  122. Re:Ohhh, Slashdot beta makes sense now by Immerman · · Score: 1

    Clearly he knew he would be unable to resist the temptation to use his fingerprint authorization to convert the Linux guest packages into terrorist weapons.

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  123. Dipshits: we don't want to hear any more that "bet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You lamers are so tiresome.

  124. Re: Ohhh, Slashdot beta makes sense now by Immerman · · Score: 2

    You don't need to punish every infraction - in fact doing so is counterproductive. Humans (and most other animals) respond far more strongly to semi-random reinforcement (negative or positive) than to consistent responses.

    Also, consider this: In the last month you *have* broken numerous laws, with combined fines in the hundreds or thousands of dollars and potentially even jail time. In fact you probably can't even walk around the block without breaking at least one or two again. And now the government knows about many of your infractions. As long as you are acceptable to the established power (including just being disliked by any low-grade officials) they're unlikely to do anything, but step out of line, even a smidgeon, and they can hammer you with the punishments for any and every minor crime you've committed in the last seven years (or whatever your local statute of limitations is). Just look at how badly selective enforcement is abused today, and imagine a future where every infraction has been permanently recorded and is leveraged to keep everyone outside The Party in line.

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  125. Layout sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wasted
    space? No
    kidding. I'm
    typing this
    out exactly
    how it's being
    formatted by
    the text box -
    yes, it's
    really this
    narrow on
    my screen.
    two-inch
    wide
    columns
    are nice
    when
    you're
    reading an
    article in
    print form,
    but it's
    practically
    unusable
    like this.

  126. Re:Ohhh, Slashdot beta makes sense now by Kremmy · · Score: 1

    It has more do to with the fact that they've decided to roll out a UI that's missing basic functionality, roll out as in intend to replace the production system with a half-assed beta. That's stupid, from every angle.

  127. Re:Ohhh, Slashdot beta makes sense now by Kremmy · · Score: 1

    I was told by some asshole around 2002 that all internet traffic in the world was being routed through a server in Virginia. I laughed it off, knowing how silly the idea of routing that sheer volume of traffic through a spy system was. But you know what happened in the following decade? Broadband speeds in the United States stagnated. In countries all over the world, broadband went from 1Mb, to 3Mb, to 6Mb, to 12Mb, to 20Mb, and beyond. While the average broadband speed in the US stayed around 1-6Mb. It's only been very recently, with looming threats from Verizon's FiOS and Google Fiber, that we saw any noticeable rollout of ADSL2, finally enabling the 20Mb DSL for customers who were stuck in the last decade. Comcast always advertised their top speeds as being for the first ~10 seconds of a download, then throttled.

    They never needed to store all the information. They just kept us slow enough to be manageable.

  128. The only way to fight by Anarchduke · · Score: 1

    Is to watch porn so disturbing that the government is afraid to monitor your computer

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    who prays for Satan? Who in 18 centuries has had the humanity to pray for the 1 sinner that needed it most? ~Mark Twain
    1. Re:The only way to fight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. They can't both watch and not watch at the same time.

      Anyone snooping on me without asking for permission deserves to be disturbed / confused. :D

  129. Re:Ohhh, Slashdot beta makes sense now by schlachter · · Score: 1

    I think you are assuming that the cost of watching is too high for them to do it at scale.
    It's all software based, and CPU time is cheap and getting cheaper.
    Watching everyone is possible, if not today, then in the near future.

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    My God can beat up your God. Just kidding...don't take offense. I know there's no God.
  130. Re:Ohhh, Slashdot beta makes sense now by krups+gusto · · Score: 1

    Grabbing everything is incredibly useful.  It allows you a baseline against which to look for outliers.  Without that baseline, you don't have enough statistical power to figure out what is an outlier.

    To make up a ridiculous example, it might be the case that one behaviour terrorists very rarely take part in is looking at funny cat pictures.  There's no way to develop that correlation without gathering cat watching behaviour in aggregate.

    That said, I'm of the mind that terrorist catching isn't worth monitoring everybody on earths cat watching habits.  We all should have the freedom to watch funny cat pics without fear of the government violating our constitutionally protected rights against unreasonable search.

  131. some of us do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I already do, I act exactly as random and erraneously as I can. Anyone taking the freedom to surveilling me deserves to be confused.

  132. Re:Here's how I'd react to this if it were 100% tr by kheldan · · Score: 1

    I'm going to (attempt to) reply to all four of you at once: http://slashdot.org/~bunkymag
    Bookstore. "It's a magical place.." ;-)

    http://slashdot.org/~Kasar
    Friend, I gotta tell you: I used to be involved in the largest standing militia group in the U.S., so I've already got a file with my name on it at the FBI, couldn't give a rat's ass what they think about my choices in reading material.

    http://slashdot.org/~Burz
    Go home, you are drunk.

    http://slashdot.org/~Virtucon
    You're alluding to a membership much higher up in the Tinfoil Hat Club than I posess or aspire to. Also, I know there are still plenty of us out there that prefer printed books, so I have no fear that bookstores that sell them will be going away during at least the remainder of my lifetime.

    --
    Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
  133. Owned by 3 governments? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All of a sudden that system instability and wasteful overuse of resources makes a hell of a lot more sense.

  134. Re:Lurker Here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sick of seeing posts about the beta.

    Well, then, it's your lucky day! Starting in 4 hours and change, a lot of us from the USA will be leaving /. and making no more anti-beta posts for a week!

    Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whatever! Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. While I'm not overly fond of what Dice is doing to this site, at the moment I am getting even more annoyed with all the anti-beta whining.

  135. Re:Ohhh, Slashdot beta makes sense now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's the part that gave his post away as a troll...

  136. Re:Ohhh, Slashdot beta makes sense now by bonehead · · Score: 1

    That's stupid, from every angle.

    And, now that it's a Dice property, exactly what you'd expect.

  137. Re:Ohhh, Slashdot beta makes sense now by deconfliction · · Score: 1

    I'm confused - why did you quit your VMware job because Obama wasn't really going to close Gitmo?

    Psychologically the 8 years of the W administration, or rather the 6 that included GITMO, were devastating to me. It was all I could do to make it through each day. I had lived a life, pretty much believing in the propaganda that there was a fundamental difference that made my country better than the Russians and their "Gulag". The idea that we had our own "extralegal black hole", really, really, ate away at my psyche day after day, year after year. It wasn't just GITMO, but the clarity of the "extralegal black hole" issue of GITMO, was a focus. I've also watched HBO's documentary "Ghosts of Abu Ghraib" at least a dozen times. I've chosen to make it my lifes mission to never let my country forget about what it did. And to try my best to educate the younger generations about what a fundamental change those things were.

    I always temper those things with reminders about slavery, and Rodney King, and millions of references to socially accepted rape in prisons, and prisons filled with non-violent 'criminals' only guilty of stupid things like growing a plant like cannabis.

    I know many of the juvenile 'Fuck Beta' crowd around here will assume I'm a troll, or crazy. But I've just told you the truth. Nothing more. Nothing less.

    And when I "read WAY too much" into Obama's choice of giving himself a 1 year deadline instead of closing GITMO within a week of coming into office, I decided I wanted nothing more of being a well-paid part of that system. I'd rather starve. I'd rather die. I'd rather kill. Somehow I've found information warfare as my solace.

  138. Re:Ohhh, Slashdot beta makes sense now by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

    You're just repeating the same semantic argument. I disagree.

  139. computer game top right hand corner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just in case some-one is monitoring me here I had a go at the computer game.......... top right hand corner.

    Just act "stupid" and they will watch some-one else

  140. Re:Ohhh, Slashdot beta makes sense now by ChoosyBeggar · · Score: 1

    "Well, if you wanted to make Serak the Preparer cry, mission accomplished." -Kang

  141. Re:Ohhh, Slashdot beta makes sense now by Eskarel · · Score: 1

    There are a few reasons why US internet speeds have stagnated, and neither of them have anything to do with the NSA, if the NSA is doing anything to anyone it's doing it to everyone.

    The first reason is geographic, the US is a very large country with a very dispersed population. This makes delivering high speed internet to the majority of the population a very large infrastructure project. Most of the countries with much better internet are much smaller and more densely populated or have a very different population distribution pattern.

    The second major reason is unlimited data caps. Under unlimited schemes every economic incentive is to oversubscribe and under invest. You don't make any money by increasing capacity, just by increasing customers. I know this is an unpopular opinion in the US, but it's reality. If you want your ISP to be motivated to get you speeds, pay for use.

    In the absence of private investment to build this kind of infrastructure you're only real option is public money, this is happening a little bit at the local level, but debt aside major infrastructure projects with huge costs and timelines are political poison at the state and federal level. Rolling out a network that could deliver what South Korea has for instance would cost several trillion dollars(FTTH was projected to cost about 50 billion to deliver to 93% of Australian and well over half the Australian population lives in 5 capital cities with most of the rest in cities a couple hours drive from those same cities). It's just not going to happen in the current political climate.

  142. Material abundance is not everywhere by GPS+Pilot · · Score: 1

    Material abundance is not everywhere, and merely asserting that it is (or should be) will not make it so.

    In 2014, things are certainly more abundant than they used to be. But the same was true if you compared living conditions 2000 years ago to living conditions 3000 years ago. Progress was made during that 1000-year interval: the number of people living in structures built by carpenters, as opposed to living in mud huts, increased.

    We're still quite a long way from the kind of abundance where you can consume whatever you want, and dispatch with having an economy. The purpose of an economy is to allocate finite resources efficiently, where they will do the most good. Even if there were 1000 times more resources than there are now, it would still be a good idea to allocate them efficiently.

    Not thinking in terms of scarcity leads to behaviors like this: Joe in Nome, Alaska has a house that he can't be bothered to insulate, and in the middle of winter, on the whim of feeling a chill, he cranks his thermostat up to 100F. (Also, he couldn't be bothered to close his windows at any time during this winter.) If there is no economy providing disincentives to behave that way, why not behave that way? You can see how society would instantly collapse from the inefficient allocation of resources.

    Thinking in terms of scarcity directly results in much higher standards of living for everyone.

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    That that is is that that that that is not is not.
  143. Re:Ohhh, Slashdot beta makes sense now by MooseMiester · · Score: 1

    Absolutely agreed, but Public Funding wouldn't help. www.healthcare.gov - The government is increasingly incapable of building anything without putting the friends of the politicians who approve the funding first, and the desired outcome far, far behind.

    It's ludicrous that people think the NSA is listening to every key click from a government who can't build healhcare.gov for the price they paid. That being said, the threat that you may be watched is enough of a deterrent for gullible people.

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    Murphy was an optimist
  144. Re: Ohhh, Slashdot beta makes sense now by maynard · · Score: 1

    You don't need to punish every infraction - in fact doing so is counterproductive. Humans (and most other animals) respond far more strongly to semi-random reinforcement (negative or positive) than to consistent responses.

    It's not possible to punish every infraction. A point I made in the previous comment. But let's be clear on what you mean by 'semi-random reinforcement)'. Because to punish without regard to infraction confirmation does not lead to compliance. It leads to psychosis. But to punish confirmed infractions publicly - to make an example - that's a different matter. Which leads us back to surveillance, the Panopticon, and Foucault's essay on the subject.

  145. Re:Ohhh, Slashdot beta makes sense now by Eskarel · · Score: 1

    I've pointed this out before and I'll have to again. Healthcare.gov, in it's entirety anyway, is probably the most complex and complicated IT project any government or private enterprise has actually attempted, the fact that it works at all is kind of a miracle.

    The other point of course is that while you and me most certainly aren't being watched. It's likely that every single employee of Kaspersky probably is, and yes most likely by multiple governments. A high profile IT security firm in Russia that's revealed things like FLAME and which works closely with any number of questionable governments. The Russians are watching them at the very least, I mean it's not like the FSB is a defender of human rights. The NSA probably is actually watching them as well. If I were the guy writing the article I'd assume that not only have multiple governments hacked my computer, but my apartment and car are probably bugged to. Hell, it's entirely likely that some of Kaspersky's employees actually work for the NSA and FSB.

  146. Collecting data is one thing. by DROP+TABLE+users · · Score: 1

    With enough data points(gps,card swipes,searches) it would be easy to map wear you go. And what motivates you to go to said places.With huge amounts of data.You could create probability maps of wear you are most likely to be at future date.But there's still a chance you won't go. But since they have a huge database on you. They know you need a hair cut. And just so happens you just got a coupon, For the salon.They PUSH you right to the part of town they want you. From there it can be as simple as marketing products to you. Or as sinister as getting hit buy a "malfunctioning" commercial drone whose pilot was PUSHED there to do a real estate video. I'm not paranoid. I just like to think like one. The chances of a program like this are slim. but it would make a nice enemy of the state--minority report mashup.

  147. Re:Ohhh, Slashdot beta makes sense now by MooseMiester · · Score: 1

    Thanks for the reply, and you get major points for being reasonable and not flaming every word I wrote - like some people here.

    What every health insurance company does every day is what Healthcare.gov and the associated subsystems are designed to accomplish.

    As to your second paragraph I am complete agreement.

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    Murphy was an optimist