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1GB of Google Drive Storage Now Costs Only $0.02 Per Month

SmartAboutThings writes "Up until today, I always had the impression that cloud storage was pretty expensive and I'm sure that many will agree with me. It's a good thing that some bright minds over at Google have the same impressions as they now have drastically discounted the monthly storage plans on Google Drive. The new monthly storage plans and their previous prices are as follows: $1.99 for 100GB (previously $4.99), $9.99 for 1TB (previously $49.99), and $99.99 for 10TB.The 2 dollar plan per month means that the price for a gigabyte gets down to an incredibly low price of only two cents per month."

335 comments

  1. Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by ravenlord_hun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...with the company that specializes in data mining!

    I mean, what could possibly go wrong?

    1. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by alen · · Score: 5, Funny

      OMG, google will know where i've taken all the photos of my kids

    2. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Encryption Baby!!!

    3. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can always wrap the data in something like Viivio that encrypts it. Google can see the directory tree, but the actual content of the files would be hidden from them.

    4. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by tiberus · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ever get the feeling Google should be paying us $.02/month per gigabyte, just sayin'

    5. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by ackthpt · · Score: 0

      That doesn't bother me.

      What bothers me is that Google is constantly changing things and if you don't like it, tough.

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    6. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by mlw4428 · · Score: 2

      No. You're not forced to use them.

    7. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by JMJimmy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Seriously. This "article" reads more like an ad. $120/year for 1 TB is more than 9 times what I'd pay for 5 years of a 1 TB internal SATA.

    8. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Aighearach · · Score: 2

      I agree. Feature thrash sent me from fanboy to "slowly migrating away, one service at a time."

    9. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      The main use case is not for private data. Private data is likely to fit into their free plan. This is for businesses who are using google services already, and want to share a lot of data "in the cloud."

    10. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you carry your SATA drive around with you wherever you go and attach it to every computer you use?

    11. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by rudy_wayne · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Seriously. This "article" reads more like an ad. $120/year for 1 TB is more than 9 times what I'd pay for 5 years of a 1 TB internal SATA.

      There are several problems with the whole "cloud" thing:

      - I can buy a few terabytes of local storage for the same or less than paying Google
      - Google constantly changes things (features, terms of service, etc) and if you don't like it, tough shit
      - Encrypted or not, you have no control over your own data, they do
      - ISPs severely throttle upload speeds. Getting a few terabytes into the cloud will take a really long time

    12. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by ArcadeMan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you take a photo of your own nude baby child and upload it to your Google Drive, I'm sure the law is badly written enough to the point that you were "uploading child porn on the Internet".

      The morale of this story is: don't have children, the government will use them against you one day.

    13. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by neoform · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And when that 1TB drive fails?

      Cloud storage usually comes with a ridiculously high durability. S3 offers 99.999999999% over the course of a year. Your 1TB drive wont.

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    14. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by alen · · Score: 1

      yep, all the parents i know are rotting in jail because their kids turned them in for kiddie porn

    15. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by ravenlord_hun · · Score: 0

      Our business data is pretty darn sensitive. There is no way we could possibly trust a 3rd party to actually store it - and I'm pretty sure a lot of other business are that way too.

      I also fail to see what's so good in "cloud" compared to a reliable off-site backup solution...

    16. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's "moral" -- not "morale".

    17. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Do you carry your SATA drive around with you wherever you go and attach it to every computer you use?

      Yeah, there's a portable SSD in my bag, with eSATA and USB. There's a couple of 64gb SD cards in there too.

      It's smaller than my smartphone and a lot more sturdy. It sits in one of those little slots on the side. Never had a problem with it.

      I've had enough of trusting companies like Google to always have a particular service available and to keep their snoots out of my stuff.

      On the other hand, if a company that doesn't data mine, and encrypts all data and does not acquiesce to NSA requests, then we can do business. But not for free or cheap because of data mining. I don't like F2P. I don't want anything for free. I don't trust anything that's being offered to me for free or for cheap. It just means the true price is hidden and that's creepy.

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    18. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      If they can mine my TrueCrypt container, then they're doing something amazing.

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    19. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by noh8rz10 · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      marked as funny but... yes. they will connect your face to your kids face, and add you to the network of people and relationships along with facial recognition, age and place. welcome to the panopticon, only $0.02 per GB.

    20. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Viivo concerns me. Why do I need to have a username and password for a site to decrypt my data? I don't know enough (tried it briefly) to really find it better or worse, but I'd trust a key I type in than have to depend on some third party to authenticate and release my encryption key for use.

      If I want to encrypt data, I'll use a method that depends on the data stored:

      For data used often, a TrueCrypt volume. If I'm just using one platform, then Apple's Disk Utility (with the 8MB "bands" that allows expansion), or create a .VHD and expand it when needed in Windows.

      For data archived, I can stick it in a WinRAR file. Yes, this can be brute-forced, but that is why one uses a long passphrase (32+ characters.)

    21. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by canadiannomad · · Score: 1

      Isn't that the problem? Now it doesn't take any human involved even caring about it to be detected, flagged, and investigated before hauling your children off to a gov't training camp^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H orphanage, and you in front of a judge.

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    22. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by basscomm · · Score: 1

      You don't?

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    23. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by ZenMatrix · · Score: 1

      And that durability comes at a cost, if you want there standard service 2TB costs 170/month. You could use there glacier storage and that would be about 20 a month but that would be difficult and take a long time to restore if you don't want to pay more. They say "Glacier is designed with the expectation that restores are infrequent and unusual, and data will be stored for extended periods of time. You can restore up to 5% of your average monthly Glacier storage (pro-rated daily) for free each month. If you choose to restore more than this amount of data in a month, you are charged a restore fee starting at $0.01 per gigabyte." So if you need a large portion of it be prepared to pay. http://aws.amazon.com/s3/prici...

    24. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by LT218 · · Score: 1

      Are you implying that you can get automated, offsite backups with built-in redundancy so that if/when that your home gets robbed, burns down, gets struck by lightning, or destroyed by a natural disaster that 1 TB of data is recoverable and you manage to accomplish this for roughly $13 per year? If so, please share your plan with us as it's the single most cost effective offsite data storage solution I've encountered lately. If not, surely you're not trying to say that a single, locally stored, end-user spec'd HDD is the same as enterprise class storage with multiple layers of redundancy and geographically diverse storage and backups locations should be even remotely similar from a price per GB perspective...

    25. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by mlts · · Score: 1

      Cloud storage is another type of media with distinct advantages/disadvantages. Yes, that 1TB HDD is about $75, but items stored on a cloud service can be accessed anywhere, and there is less chance of a single drive failure taking your stuff with it. Of course, cloud drives are vulnerable to malware doing a delete (which likely can't be restored), so long term archival media is always needed, preferably offline items, or perhaps something like Amazon Glacier.

    26. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cheaper than having a server on the internet with high bandwidth with owncloud installed on it including the data and backup service.

    27. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then don't come crying to others when they start serving ads to you and your kids for things you'd rather not have them sending you ads for. Especially since you don't give a shit about PAYING them for the privilege of giving them your data.

    28. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then buy eight 1TB drives, implement the raid flavor of your choosing and have up to six backups. It still ends up costing less.

    29. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by JMJimmy · · Score: 2

      I can pickup a 1 TB drive right now for ~$60 which means I could afford 2 of them at Google's prices. Instead of 1 year of service I can expect 5 years out of a SATA drive typically. So if nothing goes wrong, I've saved myself $480, if something does go wrong with both drives, I've saved myself $360.

    30. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Random2 · · Score: 1

      .... maybe that's the drive behind google fiber? Open a way for them to actually make cloud services possible by bypassing ISP throttling?

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    31. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wow. Just... wow. Google doesn't run S3.

    32. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Artraze · · Score: 1

      Ridiculously high is right.... 11 nines uptime works out to be less than a millisecond per year. At that level if you're going to need to specify allowable ping times.

      In reality, Google only offers 99.9% per month (99% for "reduced availability", I'm not sure what these prices are for) and the value of the guarantee is pathetic: they credit (not even refund) you a maximum of half your bill that month if availability is =95%. They could be down a full day and only knock 25% of you bill next month. That can barely be considered an SLA.

      Also, given that consumer internet is 100% (to be generous!) you're basically guaranteed better uptime in the common case (accessing your data at home) storing it locally. If you're hosting via, say, ownCloud for use by your phone then, sure, Google Drive may have better uptime.

      Anyways, given the premium over a hard drive as the parent pointed out, you just buy (and power) two and run as RAID0. You could even buy a spare or two which could be used as a backup until one of the primaries failed.

    33. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      Perhaps consumers tend to not use as much of their storage allocation as commercial users.

    34. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      I have a server and my brother-in-law has a server. 10Mbps pipes on either end (upload), offsite automated backup (basic software handles this) with built in redundancy (again, software creates an image of the main backup drive) for both of us. We'd both have to be robbed/have fires at the same time.

      Works pretty damn well and the only costs are the drives themselves and a little bit of electricity.

    35. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by cheater512 · · Score: 1

      You want Google to drop S3's pricing? I'm not sure if you actually mean that or just worded the sentence badly.

      Also remember with S3 you can choose your reliability level.
      Regular storage is 99.999999999% reliable but Reduced Redundancy Storage is 99.99% reliable

      You can bet Google's cheaper storage is somewhere in the middle - certainly not 11 nines.

    36. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      Better they get served ads for things that may be inappropriate, instead of things that may be relevant?

    37. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      You can't encrypt children.

    38. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

      Isn't that the proposition of mega.co.nz ?
      The data is encrypted before they get it, so they can't possibly tell if its a pirated rihanna song or not.

    39. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by CCarrot · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Seriously. This "article" reads more like an ad. $120/year for 1 TB is more than 9 times what I'd pay for 5 years of a 1 TB internal SATA.

      There are several problems with the whole "cloud" thing:

      - I can buy a few terabytes of local storage for the same or less than paying Google
      - Google constantly changes things (features, terms of service, etc) and if you don't like it, tough shit
      - Encrypted or not, you have no control over your own data, they do
      - ISPs severely throttle upload speeds. Getting a few terabytes into the cloud will take a really long time

      Ah, if only...

      Unfortunately, the biggest problem with Google Drive is that they don't provide any upload throttling at all.

      So...post a folder of pictures to your drive account, then go do something else for a couple of hours, because your internet is useless until Google's done hogging all of your bandwidth...funny, DropBox had this figured out right from the start, yet after over two years of customer complaints, Google still hasn't figured out how to implement this.

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    40. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      Unless someone breaks into your house and steals your computer. Then you've lost your 8 1TB drives and everything on them.

    41. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      If something does go wrong with the drive, you have lost your data.
      $60 for 1TB gets you increased risk of data loss.

    42. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Sporkinum · · Score: 1

      Exactly! If you did nothing but backup a TB of data and then power it of and through it in a closet, you are ahead. Not only that, it is private. I would only see this for completely innocuous data that you have to access somewhat frequently through the internet.

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    43. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      Aside from the fact that I have 2 such drives that I carry around with me, the ones I was referring to are setup on home servers accessible from anywhere.

    44. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by lgw · · Score: 1

      No, just worded it badly. Everyone tries to match pricing with each other - the pricing is the same at every commercial cloud storage vendor, and S3 is the easiest to check.

      The two real players for "consumer cloud drive" with consumer friendly APIs are Google Drive and OneDrive (I guess it's called now). If the price for drives-in-bulk had come down or something, you'd see it reflected in S3 and Azure, so this is something different.

      Either this is a loss leader now for Google, or they're monetizing the heck out of the content.

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    45. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      2 x cheap NAS box = 2 x $80 (buffalo, dlink, etc.)
      2 x 2TB drive = 2 x $80
      Total = $320

      All software is freely available. Debian on the NAS boxes and rsync/ssh/snapshot software that runs every night. No highspeed internet connections, just average home type connections. Our family has a distributed system setup and it has been running for over 2 years providing backups for 6 people. Saved us a lot of money and no fears of Google changing TOS, or NSA spying.

    46. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      No, because the 2nd drive provides redundancy - if drive 1 fails then you restore from drive 2. There's a slight possibility that both drives fail at the same time but that's a very remote chance.

    47. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      This "article" reads more like an ad. $120/year for 1 TB is more than 9 times what I'd pay for 5 years of a 1 TB internal SATA.

      You internal SATA is not an off-site backup. This seems like a decent option for a backup that will still exist if (fates forfend) your house burns down.

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    48. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Uncle+Warthog · · Score: 1

      No, you can't; they already come that way from the factory.

    49. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by LT218 · · Score: 1

      As long as you live in significantly separate geographic areas where a disaster won't take out both locations, that's a decent solution. Many people are not lucky enough to have someone they trust implicitly with their digital lives who happen to live on the other side of the country though. You're also betting that the drive at your in-law's home doesn't somehow die around the same time something bad happens to your drive. The chances are probably small, but how much are you willing to gamble on that? A Google Drive solution would work for pretty much everyone and Google takes care of the redundant storage with tested, offsite backups.

      How much time do you and your in-law spend verifying and testing the backups and restore scenarios? Untested backups aren't backups. In my opinion, when you factor in the time required to setup remote access, secure the remote network, maintain and test restores, the costs of the increased electricity usage, additional drives and hardware, it's not nearly the money-saving deal it would seem at first glance. Personally, I'd rather pay a little more to use Google's enterprise class infrastructure and spend my own time on other things.

    50. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Logging into Google Drive/Dropbox on any computer that you don't own is incredibly stupid unless you're just using them as a public file dump.

    51. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope you meant RAID1. Get one extra as a spare and two for backups. And that's still cheaper than Google Drive over the lifetime of a typical hard disk.

    52. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      Internal drive does not mean that drive is located in the same place as my main drive. See my other post about where it's located.

    53. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Do you carry your SATA drive around with you wherever you go and attach it to every computer you use?

      I used to carry my 2 TB drive with me everywhere until I built my own ssh/sftp server now it is anywhere that has internet and can be accsesed form a tablet with no sata port.

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    54. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      Sorry, that word is the same in french but has a different meaning for the same syntax in english. My mistake.

    55. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by LT218 · · Score: 2

      You've neglected to consider the technical expertise and time required to implement, update and test such a system. Sure, maybe you can do it, but does everyone you know have the required knowledge? Most people can setup an automated backup job to a cloud provider quickly following a short video or walkthrough. Time's money and I don't value my own at a low number.

      Additionally, regardless of what you think about the NSA spying or Google changing the terms of service, said companies will do a better job of keeping it secure, tested and updated than a non-IT geek will any day.

    56. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Skynyrd · · Score: 1

      I'm thinking of a cloud backup for my music. Cheap, and I don't really care if they know I like The Clash.

      Not so sure I'd want to store everything else there.

    57. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by gmack · · Score: 1

      In reality, Google only offers 99.9% per month (99% for "reduced availability", I'm not sure what these prices are for) and the value of the guarantee is pathetic: they credit (not even refund) you a maximum of half your bill that month if availability is =95%. They could be down a full day and only knock 25% of you bill next month. That can barely be considered an SLA.

      In my experience that is even better than most SLAs I've seen. Standard is to prorate the month and reduce that month's bill or add a credit to the next for the amount down so if you are paying $1000 monthly and you are down a day you get $33.40 back (assuming 30 days in the month).

    58. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      In our situation 3 drives would have to fail to lose the data. We're each responsible for our own backups, I'm pretty bad for testing them (read: never) but the last time I needed it everything worked perfectly. We both had secure remote networks setup for other reasons so it seemed sensible to backup each others data. The way I've setup mine is that the main drive is backed up on drive 1 on Mon/Wed/Fri/Sun and drive 2 is updated on the other days. We do it between 2am to 8am so that the data transfer isn't counted against our monthly caps.

    59. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 2

      Unless someone breaks into your house and steals your computer. Then you've lost your 8 1TB drives and everything on them.

      who breaks into homes and steals non apple desktops anymore?

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    60. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      I get the feeling that for $1.99/month, you're buying 5% fractional ownership in a 2TB drive that costs ~$99 to purchase and another ~$199 to configure, connect, maintain, power and dispose of over a ~3 year average lifetime. Say $300 total cost - $100 a year. If the drive is fully subscribed, it's bringing in ~$40/month, call that $20/month after costs of collection, administrative overhead, customer handholding, etc. Still a healthy profit margin left in there. If they're actually selling a lot of cloud storage space at these prices, I'd say their financial future looks good.

    61. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by jcgam69 · · Score: 1

      What if you want to access those files when you are away from home? Good luck. Even if you setup remote access, typically ISP upload speeds prevent reasonable access to large files remotely.

    62. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by felipou · · Score: 1

      Well, there's also the price of the server.

      Also, if you don't have fixed IP, that's another cost.

      Also, there's the cost of setting it up and maintenance. Or is your time worth zero dollars/hour?

    63. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      Is your 1 TB internal SATA ever powered on?

      Are you including anything for the cost of the protective housing, power supply, building, air conditioning, etc.?

      Then, if you want to access your data on the go, you need network connectivity....

      Sure, all those are sunk costs. You can get lots of really good things "for free" in your own home if you don't consider the actual cost of space in that home...

    64. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by JoeMerchant · · Score: 2

      I've had enough of trusting companies like Google to always have a particular service available and to keep their snoots out of my stuff.

      I've got enough "stuff" going on in my life that trusting a company like Google to keep "forever" backups of things like my e-mail seems to be a whole lot more reliable than relying on myself to make proper timely backups.

      Plus, if I had anything to hide, it could very well stay hidden, off or on cloud servers. The sheer volume of crap that isn't hidden should be enough to keep any snooping investigators busy for a long time - meaning, it will be costly for them to sift through my records looking for something that's not there.

    65. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a similar backup arrangement with a couple friends (500GB to each, encrypted before it goes over the network). If a nuke takes out both computers at the same time, my backups are the last thing I would worry about.

      How much time has it taken? Not very long, the solution is built on encfs + rsync. It took much longer copying data to a portable drive to get an initial snapshot (so we didn't have to transfer 500GB over teh interwebs) than the setup took. We both have servers running anyway, so no extra electricity / etc costs.

      Honestly, Google would be great except for the initial upload time. At my Internet upload speed (2.5Mbps nominal, closer to 2.0 in reality), it would take about 1.5 months to do the initial copy (assuming an rsync-style system where you only backup deltas once the initial upload is complete). If they allowed you to send in a drive for the initial data, that would be wonderful... but at $0.02 / GB that doesn't make much sense, as the overhead on having a human plug in the drive would cost more than multiple years subscription).

    66. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 0

      RaspberryPi $30
      3 TB drive x2 $200
      debian free
      truecrypt free
      openssh free
      owncloud free
      safty depost box ~$25 yearly

      keep one drive at the bank one drive hooked up to your owncloud server. Your data is now archived and available anywhere and safe from prying eyes.

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    67. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by JoeMerchant · · Score: 2

      Remote chances:

      Lightning strike
      Fire
      Theft
      Flood

      So, keep your backups at diverse locations, if you can. Personally, that's a lot of damn work to keep up, I've never managed to get the rsync processes setup to mirror from one end of the house to the other, let alone opening firewall ports and setting up an encrypted link to a remote location.

      Sure, it's all possible, but your time really worth so little?

    68. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      10Mbps SSH - works beautifully.

    69. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are conveniently ignoring the cost of electricity...

    70. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "power it of and through it in a closet"

      Fucking Americans...

      Hilarious.

      I think you meant to write "power it OFF and THREW it in a closet".

      You idiot.

    71. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Ksevio · · Score: 1

      But a bad batch of hard drives, or a bad PSU, or flood/fire would take it out. Plus you have to keep it powered and your internet connection on. Of course those are usually used for other functions, but it should be included in the costs if you're comparing to a cloud service.

    72. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      That is true, the servers were already setup for other reasons so that wasn't a cost factor for me, but if you don't have those already they would be part of it. Not a major part though, the server they're on now was an old system that lost it's usefulness as a desktop. You don't need anything significant, just something capable of interfacing with the extra drives. They need an odd reboot/security updates but most of that is automated/can be done remotely. Maybe once every few months I'll call over and get them to reset manually. It's very much setup and forget.

    73. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I don't know if GP does that, but I have a drive made by Western Digital that fits in my shirt pocket. It holds 500GB, cost me $50 on Amazon, and is smaller than my cellphone. Give it a few years, and flash drives will be near that capacity/cost ratio. I already have a few 64GB flash drives, any one of which is big enough for anything I'd put in Dropbox/Google Drive/SpiderOak, and I can encrypt it with cross-platform tools if necessary.

      I see it like this: One can weigh the negatives of cloud storage (privacy issues, companies going under and taking your data with them, easy access by government agencies, etc) with the negatives of the sneakernet (limited storage capacity, risk of infection from compromised computer, etc). For most tasks, I use a thumb drive that can boot into a GNU/Linux based live session with persistent storage. This gives me all of the positives of the sneakernet with few of the negatives. I also have OwnCloud installed on a server at home, and I use it for automatic uploads of pictures and video I take with my phone's camera.

      My setup may not work for everyone, but it meets my needs.

      dkj

    74. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by logicTrAp · · Score: 1

      I'd guess the reliability is somewhat higher than trusting your data to a single hard drive. You can back up to DVD or another drive, but that's a pain in the butt, and still doesn't help you if your house burns down.

    75. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      Those remote chances must also occur at the same time as a main drive failure.

      It's not that much time investment if you know what you're doing. Took about 2 hours of configuration and very little ongoing maintenance. The biggest limitations I've found are the scheduling of P2P away from the backup times and backup failures due to misbehaving routers. It definitely helps that we're both in urban areas that are well serviced by ISPs. It wouldn't be possible without the 10Mbps upload speed on either end.

    76. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by LT218 · · Score: 1

      Your setup isn't a bad solution. It's pretty good and to be honest it's exactly what I've considered setting up with one of my technically literate friends.

      The catch is, this solution only works well for an IT geek who can do it themselves. It doesn't work for the vast majority of people out there. Google would. An enterprise cloud-based solution also has a few less weak points compared to a homegrown one like this.

      In summary, when you factor in time, ease of maintenance, and increased risk of failure, however slight it may be, the cost effectiveness of a Google Drive solution at the rates listed in this article holds it's own in my opinion.

    77. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Or Google hoses things as they have done in the past. One can yank an extreme out of the air for either side. One well known thing is Google will data mine.

    78. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Sporkinum · · Score: 1

      Yes, I am an idiot, and I was going to correct the message immediately. Unfortunately Slashdot is a harsh mistress and won't allow you to correct typos after you hit submit.

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    79. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eh? Can't you just throttle it at your router? How hard is that? Hand in your /. credentials plz...

      Mom and Pop aint gonna be using Google Drive, so don't bother with that excuse... any Gen Y and beyond should know how to fiddle with a router.

    80. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's 11 nines of storage durability, not 11 nines of uptime. The service may be down, but your data is still there when it comes back up.

    81. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's not the application's responsibility to limit its upload. Your operating system and/or your router should take care of that.

    82. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by CCarrot · · Score: 2

      Eh? Can't you just throttle it at your router? How hard is that? Hand in your /. credentials plz...

      Mom and Pop aint gonna be using Google Drive, so don't bother with that excuse... any Gen Y and beyond should know how to fiddle with a router.

      On the contrary, I propose that Google Drive is squarely aimed at non-technical (or barely-technical) people more than it is aimed at network admins. Much like DropBox, it's advertised as easy-to use and universal, so it's very likely that Mom and / or Pop will be using it...then calling the grandkids when they appear to be 'losing the internet' at semi-random intervals.

      Have fun talking them through setting up router-level throttling from halfway across the country...

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    83. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by CCarrot · · Score: 2

      It's not the application's responsibility to limit its upload. Your operating system and/or your router should take care of that.

      But default settings is for no rate controls on the OS or router side...meaning that both the OS and the router expect applications to play nice and manage themselves, or be user-adjustable at the very least.

      Can you name any other application used to upload large amounts of data that doesn't provide user-adjustable bandwidth settings? My FTP client does, my DropBox does, even my bittorrent client does...I don't know about Picasa or FB, cause I don't use them, so I'm honestly curious here...?

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    84. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem isn't google using the bandwidth, it's exactly what the GP typed. ISP's (The very provider of the internet to your location...) throttles upload speeds.
      That makes the upload speeds.... slow. That causes the problems you've mentioned, not the fact that google is using it.

    85. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      Not if, as many other people here have suggested, you encrypt the data you don't want other people reading.
      When was the last time Google shut down a service people pay for?

    86. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      But then its not "$60 per TB" because you need more than one drive to provide 1TB of storage. If you're using raid1, you've now got double the price.
      You've also probably bought the two drives from the same place at the same time, which end up coming from the same batch at the factory, with the same usage patterns, sitting next to each other in the same server, running off the same power supply. You've got to hope you can get there and replace the faulty drive and have 1TB of data read from the other one and written to the new one before what ever happened to the failed drive happens to the other one.

      You could minimise that window is risk with a hot spare, but now you've tripled your drive costs.

    87. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      The compressor in your fridge might crap out and destroy the power supply in your server, destroying all your hard drives at the same time.

    88. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      If you take a photo of your own nude baby child and upload it to your Google Drive, I'm sure the law is badly written enough to the point that you were "uploading child porn on the Internet".

      BS.

      give me some references where someone have been prosecuted for child porn for uploading pictures of their own children to a non-shared, non-public account. no? well, i still hope you achieved your goal of scaring some luddites today.

    89. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by CCarrot · · Score: 1

      The problem isn't google using the bandwidth, it's exactly what the GP typed. ISP's (The very provider of the internet to your location...) throttles upload speeds.
      That makes the upload speeds.... slow. That causes the problems you've mentioned, not the fact that google is using it.

      So why, then, when I am using DBox, FileZilla, uTorrent, etc, etc, etc...etc it doesn't do this?

      Google Drive is the only local upload client program that I've had this problem with. It works fine if I only use it via the web interface, so is it my browser that's keeping Greedy Drive in check? If so, why can't they upgrade their client to do the same?

      Having the ISP unthrottle upload bandwidth would simply shorten the length of time that GD hogs the connection, not prevent it from doing so in the first place. It's like trying to water the garden with a damn firehose...

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    90. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      Again, you'd have to have those failures occur at the same time as the main drive failure which is unlikely. Internet is always on and paid for regardless. Power is a cost but we're talking $100 a year if you were drawing 130W constantly, for me that's offset by the fact that it's used for other services as well. A basic system from 3 years ago will draw 30-60W under moderate usage. The cost of the system itself is zero as there are so many old desktops floating around that you can get free it's scary. If you really want to factor it in, without doing much research (single website, 5 minute lookup for lowest cost items that would be compatible): $159 (PSU: $15, MB $45, CPU $45, $30, RAM $24) + $120 for the drives. We'll split the difference and say you consume roughly 1kwh/day (~42W constant draw) at 13 cents per kwh (much higher than I pay). Total cost over a 5 year period: $326.45 vs Google's $599.40

    91. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      that's a ridiculous comparison. just some of the many, many things you forgot about,

      1. a backup mechanism, that probably involves multiple other drives and a computer
      2. networking hardware and a broadband connection (if you are talking about parity w/ drive)
      3. electricity to power all this stuff 24x7. just the electricity to power the rig is going to be around $20 / month.
      4. your time maintaining the whole setup

    92. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      I'd never use raid in this kind of setup - too much room for failure. Just independent backups done at separate times. $120 worth of drives is far different than $600 worth of service over a 5 year period. You can mitigate the batch issue by purchasing drives from different manufacturers or using price match and buying from different stores.

    93. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      I see you didn't read the rest of the comments in this thread.

      $20/m is insane. Try $47.45/year at 1kwh/day * 13c/kwh

    94. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      oops! made a mistake: Over 5 years it would be $516.25 vs $599.40 factoring electric costs properly.

      It's cheaper for me because 1) I didn't have to buy a new computer for the setup 2) I'm in a building with inclusive utilities

    95. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by kylemonger · · Score: 1

      It won't be very costly to sift through your records because Google will have already indexed your pile (and everyone else's) for them.

    96. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I don't want anything for free. I don't trust anything that's being offered to me for free or for cheap. It just means the true price is hidden and that's creepy.

      You can't trust the encryption they're offering you for money, either. You're going to have to handle encryption on your end.

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    97. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by ButchDeLoria · · Score: 1

      And trust the encryption you use, the processor used in encryption (Intel CPUs with fucked up RNG, anyone?), etc.

    98. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

      Do you carry your SATA drive around with you wherever you go and attach it to every computer you use?

      Absolutely, my backpack which has my laptop goes everywhere with me. It has 2 external drives and a handful of USB sticks. around 5 or 6 TB in all and anything extra critical I make I put on another drive which I store safely. access is 100 times faster and more reliable than accessing google. I know that the service isn't going to be discontinued in X months time and I can be confident on who has access to my data. Even my keys for the car has 2 USB sticks on it with 256GB of data that is always with me even if there is somewhere I go without my backpack. Google can't hope to match the ease of access, vailability, security or speed.

    99. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      I hope you encrypt everything on those drives, just in case your bag is lost or stolen. Of course if you are encrypting everything anyway why not just use Google Drive or whatever? Is it unlikely that even the NSA can crack a TrueCrypt container with a good password and perhaps a local keyfile, and if they can and are willing to put in the effort you have bigger problems.

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    100. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      I suppose they can keyword match my text (and yours, on this site), and they might do some syntactical parsing, looking for meaning among the text automatically, but most "actionable analysis" still takes people reading... Hadoop et. al. can point them in likely places to dig, but since I have nothing to hide, the analysts can pore over the reddit links I send to my wife and bunny photo cartoons she sends to me for days and days, looking for something that's not there.

    101. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it were me, I would certainly be concerned with who saw my kids, especially when they are strangers. I guess you're just a bad parent.

    102. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Trashcan+Romeo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well, putting a Sally Mann photograph in my non-shared, non-public SkyDrive account was enough to have an FBI guy visit my house at night and ask to look through my laptop for child porn. Not as unpleasant as an actual prosecution, of course. But a nasty enough jolt, I assure you. And if a local DA felt like making my life miserable for some reason?

    103. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by GigaplexNZ · · Score: 1

      Because those applications you mention have workarounds, but the underlying problem is that upload speeds are generally so much lower than download speeds as provided by ISPs.

    104. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by viperidaenz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Add 50 watts of power 24/7 for a low-power server to the equation and you've added $420 over 5 years. There's your $600.

    105. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and they will know where you travel, where you vacation, what kinds of activities you and your family tend to perform, possibly who you and your children's friends are, maybe who.......all part of your life profile kept in a nice tidy storage rack just waiting for you to get out of line and then WHAM! You are fucked.

      right, nothing wrong there.

    106. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Wycliffe · · Score: 2

      So just encrypt it before you upload it. problem solved. If I were to use it, I would probably use it for
      archiving. I would prefer rsync but for the average person it would probably be enough to just upload
      a zip file of last year's photos. It would be easy enough to encrypt it while you were zipping it.

    107. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Earthquakes. Tsunami. Tornadoes. Lightning strike. Cat pushing the coffee mug onto power supply. Your Redundant Array of Ineffectual Drives will all fail simultaneously. S3 won't, because they have geographically isolated redundancies.

    108. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by crazyprogrammer · · Score: 1

      perhaps, but with google fiber (the tv+internet plan) a 2tb network drive is provided to store tv shows, pics, music, etc. and according to the tos, the network drive (among other devices) belong to the customer and do not need to be returned to google when/if the customer decides to switch providers.

      most people (myself included), would ask: "why would I want to pay for cloud storage when I have a 2tb drive right here?" and keep in mind that google fiber will allow residential customers to run servers for non-commercial purposes so if you wanted to, you could access your drive remotely and hence, no cloud storage needed.

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    109. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      50 watts extra? for what? You're not running a monitor, no extra PCI devices, no DVD/Bluray, etc, not even a keyboard/mouse. Maybe if you're using something built in 2009 or earlier... Take a Dell Optiplex 990 (Win7)- 33-37 watts under moderate usage. 28 while idle.

    110. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Ksevio · · Score: 1

      Wow! so for only $83 more I get my data safely backed up and available for 5 years!

      If you buy your hard drives at the same time, then a bad batch could take them all out. If there's a bad PSU, then all the drives could die (we'll extend that to bad power if you're using a second machine). Flood and dire are pretty obvious that they'd take out everything. There's definite benefit in an off-site backup that is maintained and monitored constantly.

    111. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      Add hard drive failure rates in there too.
      An MTBF of 1.2 million hours translates to a more useful AFR figure of 0.73% of drives fail each year. So 1 in 25 drives will probably fail in a 5 year period.
      You also need to keep it within 5-55 degrees C case temperature, but if it operates above 40 that failure rate goes up.
      You've also now got to factor in the price of that Dell Optiplex 990.

    112. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      the Dell was just an example. PSUs are far more efficient than they were 4-5 years ago - even the cheap ones.

    113. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by noh8rz10 · · Score: 0

      Dude, that's an expensive way to archive your shizz

    114. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Lennie · · Score: 1

      I suggest duplicity.

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    115. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Archimonde · · Score: 2

      That is nonsense. Everyone has limited bandwidth for a fact. Be it 256Kb/s or 20Mb/s or whatever.

      When an application starts to upload or download something and takes all your bandwidth all other activites which are depending on that bandwith come to a halt. That is certainly most visible in the case of upload as the upload bandwidth is usually lower than download.

      That is the reason why applications/services which are usually used in the background (as in dropbox, ftp, torrenting clients etc) all have throttling controls so they don't take all your bandwith so you can still stream internet radio, browse internet at acceptable speed etc.

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    116. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Mitchell314 · · Score: 1

      You can, if you redirect their standard streams right after forking off.

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    117. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      But default settings is for no rate controls on the OS or router side...meaning that both the OS and the router expect applications to play nice and manage themselves, or be user-adjustable at the very least.

      Then your OS is not very fair about allocating network resources among running programs, is it? If it is across machines, your router is not fair about allocating network resources among connected machines.

      For Linux, nice, ionice work well enough so that you could manipulate if you don't want fairness, though default behaviour is kind of "fair". Other operating systems would have their own mechanisms.

      I am curious if CPU using software (e.g. spreadsheet, calculators etc.) come with CPU throttling settings.

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    118. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      Or, buy better power supplies. They last an eternity so don't amount to much extra cost, typically.

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    119. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not forced to work for my boss either.

    120. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      I hope you encrypt everything on those drives, just in case your bag is lost or stolen.

      I didn't say I carry the bag around. I keep it locked in a massive safe buried underground.

      It's not as convenient, but it sure is secure. Except from flooding, but that's a different story. I can't actually get to the data, but it's there. Secure. But not from floods. I'm going to have to think about sealing it in impenetrable waterproof material, but I can't afford that because the password to my online banking is on one of those SD cards, in the bag, in the safe, 20 feet underground.

      You see how complicated my life is.

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    121. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except you are not buying 1TB of internal SATA. You are buying universally accessible redundant and backed up storage. Not the same thing at all.

    122. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can pickup a 1 TB drive right now for ~$60 which means I could afford 2 of them at Google's prices. Instead of 1 year of service I can expect 5 years out of a SATA drive typically. So if nothing goes wrong, I've saved myself $480, if something does go wrong with both drives, I've saved myself $360.

      If someone breaks into your home and steals your computer equipment including those 1TB SATA NAS devices you'd be out of luck permanently. At least using a cloud storage provider offers the ability to maintain access to your data after your in-home equipment has been stolen or seized by the loving government.

    123. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so there are 86400 seconds in a day, they guarantee 99% uptime, meaning that they do not guarnatee the other 864 seconds or 14 minutes each day. That means 420 allowable hours of downtime each month, or 7 hours. 7 hours of downtime per month is pretty high. You have to hit 99.9% before they are allowed 1 hr per month downtime (42 minutes). 99.99% (4.2 minutes) is acceptable at this cost, but an SLA that allows 7 hours per month downtime is not a bargain

    124. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that should read "That means 420 allowable minutes of downtime each month"

    125. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      people who break into homes want things they can grab fast and get out. disconnecting hard drives from the computer takes time. If your system would take too long to snag, no one's going to bother trying to steal it, an even if they do, they are going to grab the big item (most valuable) and likely not even bother with those persky peripherals.... The only person I know who actually had his computer stolen from his house (known quite a few who had laptops stolen, but only one had a desktop stolen. Even know a guy who's house was broken into and they grabbed his table and laptop bag, but left the desktop completely alone) came home and found the computer itself and the monitor gone, but everything else was sitting there, they just pulled all the cables, grabbed the two big items and moved on.

    126. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And when that 1TB drive fails?

      Cloud storage usually comes with a ridiculously high durability. S3 offers 99.999999999% over the course of a year. Your 1TB drive wont.

      I have a client who switched to the Amazon service a few years ago. A few months after they switched Amazon had a 4 day outage where their server was down. The 99.9% uptime was a joke because Amazon offered no recourse except that they prorated a discount so my client wasnt billed for the outage time. That number is only used to increase sales.

    127. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In reality, Google only offers 99.9% per month (99% for "reduced availability", I'm not sure what these prices are for) and the value of the guarantee is pathetic: they credit (not even refund) you a maximum of half your bill that month if availability is =95%. They could be down a full day and only knock 25% of you bill next month. That can barely be considered an SLA.

      Given the non-existent SLA from my ISP the 95% minimum availability and 99.99% expected availability of Google's storage service it would still be more reliable over the long-term than in-home storage. Now I will agree storing your data with Google is akin to handing the keys of a candy store to a child. Therefore, I won't use Google's services apart from their search engine (with is overly invasive from a data mining perspective) and YouTube. If they provided encrypted containers and only I held the key-pair, maybe I would consider them for storage.

    128. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is just storage, you can always encrypt your data. Stop being such a paranoid douche,
      not even Google has the resources or motivation to mine petabytes of data. The signal to
      noise is infinitesimal, it is in no-one's interest to search through your 100GB of irrelevant
      data only to find a picture of a cat, so as to deliver cat-related ads in the future. If you have
      valuable data it is your responsibility to encrypt it, whether it's the cloud or the local machine.

    129. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by CCarrot · · Score: 1

      But default settings is for no rate controls on the OS or router side...meaning that both the OS and the router expect applications to play nice and manage themselves, or be user-adjustable at the very least.

      Then your OS is not very fair about allocating network resources among running programs, is it? If it is across machines, your router is not fair about allocating network resources among connected machines.

      For Linux, nice, ionice work well enough so that you could manipulate if you don't want fairness, though default behaviour is kind of "fair". Other operating systems would have their own mechanisms.

      I am curious if CPU using software (e.g. spreadsheet, calculators etc.) come with CPU throttling settings.

      That's an interesting thought.

      Actually, they pretty much do: if I ran a calculator or spreadsheet that took every CPU cycle I had even for a couple of minutes at a time, guess what I would do? That's right, uninstall the bitch and use something more resource friendly...it's not like there isn't umpteen bazillion alternatives available.

      There you go. Throttled to zero, due to poor resource management on the part of the developer.

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    130. Re: Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most such laws include a community moral standards clause

    131. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by nmr_andrew · · Score: 1

      any Gen Y and beyond should know how to fiddle with a router.

      I think you give the average GenYer WAY too much credit for technical prowess.

    132. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by nmr_andrew · · Score: 1

      Not only that, but people seem to be forgetting that this is a consumer oriented service, for $1.99/month/TB, and not a corporate oriented service with a real SLA. I also suspect that in general the customer's local network/ISP is going to have issues far more frequently than Google Drive does. For $2/month, I can wait an hour or two to backup or retrieve my stuff, if I need it that critically I'll have a second copy on a thumb drive and/or pay for a better service with a real SLA.

    133. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      $120/year for 1 TB is more than 9 times what I'd pay for 5 years of a 1 TB internal SATA

      please indulge me. you said you could run the same setup for 9x less than $120, over 5 years, right? so $120 / 9 = $13, over 5 years is $13 / 5 = $3 per year, right?

      Try $47.45/year

      i'm no mathologist, but i'm pretty sure the $47 / year in power is already a lot greater than the $3 / year you quoted, right?

      you all you did was factor in the cost of the drive itself, that's $50 for a 1TB drive ... that's still $10 / year over 5 years.

    134. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      How does MS Excel allow the user to specify that 20% or 600 MHz of CPU is available for it? I couldn't find the setting.

      I suspect your OS is better in fairness about CPU allocation than network. Foreground vs background heuristics are easier for CPU, I guess.

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    135. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by CCarrot · · Score: 1

      How does MS Excel allow the user to specify that 20% or 600 MHz of CPU is available for it? I couldn't find the setting.

      I suspect your OS is better in fairness about CPU allocation than network. Foreground vs background heuristics are easier for CPU, I guess.

      Um, I think you missed the point. If I were running a program that was bad-mannered enough to consistently hog all of the processing power available to it, then I would be 'throttling' it...by uninstalling it. Which is what I did for Google Drive.

      I will not tolerate poor manners from people or from software.

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    136. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      The 9x figure was a rudimentary calculation that didn't factor in all costs, just estimated a $65 1TB drive with a 5 year lifetime. $120*5 years = $600 / $65 = 9.23. Factoring the electricity costs (which I over estimated for my region - actual cost is 7c/h for most of the day, 12.8 during peak times and 10ish during mid-peak hours. Also the cost of the drive was over-estimated, actual drive on newegg.ca was $60 for a toshiba 1TB drive)

      $47.45*5 + $60 = $297 - so it's twice as much. 1.68 times if you factor a 2nd backup drive.

    137. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      Ok, Google drive awaits the same fate then. I don't see a problem. But that is irrelevant because I was talking about expectations from software in general, which don't include throttling as universally as you claimed.

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    138. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by CCarrot · · Score: 1

      Ok, Google drive awaits the same fate then. I don't see a problem. But that is irrelevant because I was talking about expectations from software in general, which don't include throttling as universally as you claimed.

      Just curious: what data upload software do you use that doesn't provide user-controlled bandwidth settings? I honestly can't think of any other than the GDrive client...well, perhaps browsers, but in their case the throttling has to be built-in and transparent (or a function of http traffic?), because when I use GDrive through the browser interface, it behaves.

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    139. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by rev0lt · · Score: 1

      Eh? Can't you just throttle it at your router? How hard is that? Hand in your /. credentials plz...

      So, please care to explain how to throttle a specific upload on an HTTPS connection using a home router, please? So lets say you're uploading to Gdrive and want to keep using GMail...

    140. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by rev0lt · · Score: 1

      I can pickup a 1 TB drive right now for ~$60

      Add the cost of putting meaningful bytes on them. Platform, electricity, etc.

      Instead of 1 year of service I can expect 5 years out of a SATA drive typically

      Except if your house is robbed, you drop the drives, bad luck, fire, flood, short circuit, bad electronics, etc. All those things people don't care about until its too late.

      So if nothing goes wrong, I've saved myself $480, if something does go wrong with both drives, I've saved myself $360

      So, how do you backup those 2 drives to make sure you don't lose data? At that point, this kind of service seems really cheap.

      As an example, I run my own online storage system, and have roughly 3TB of ZFS, redundant storage I use to backup my critical data. It's still around 0.02Eur/GB, plus the time to maintain it.

    141. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by rev0lt · · Score: 1

      . There's a slight possibility that both drives fail at the same time but that's a very remote chance.

      Well, its not. Unless you go server-grade, the chance you will find flipping bits and CRC errors is quite high. If the drive is full, syncing the drive may easily cause stress failure on high-capacity disks (consumer-grade disks are not designed to spit 2TB at maximum data rate nor the IOPS this envolves). This is one of the reasons why RAID10 is prefered over RAID5 - the rebuilt effort is smaller, and the stress on the disk drives will be much lower.

    142. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by rev0lt · · Score: 1

      Transfering files over SSH is slow as f****, specially with high-speed links.

    143. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      Well, I don't use data upload software. That does not absolve the OS from a responsibility of elementary fairness among processes, nor routers from the same among connected devices. This is a primary function of OS and router.

      That you admit through silence the same lack of features in CPU throttling, is proof enough.

      Google drive might not be justified in omitting a feature that is necessary because of limitations of YOUR OS and router, but I wouldn't have the fundamental responsibilities of different software blurred.

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    144. Re: Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This sentiment is completely ignorant and lacks understanding of how predictive analysis works with respect seemingly irrelevant data. you couldn't be more wrong about your assesment. having access to the "unimportant" data is the cornerstone of creating effective campaigns based on highly accurate predictions of potential actions of groups of people. nobody cares about you, they care about controlling groups of people like you.

    145. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by CCarrot · · Score: 1

      Well, I don't use data upload software. That does not absolve the OS from a responsibility of elementary fairness among processes, nor routers from the same among connected devices. This is a primary function of OS and router.

      That you admit through silence the same lack of features in CPU throttling, is proof enough.

      Google drive might not be justified in omitting a feature that is necessary because of limitations of YOUR OS and router, but I wouldn't have the fundamental responsibilities of different software blurred.

      Sorry, now you're just talking out of your butt. The onus for responsible resource management is not on the OS, it's on the programmer. I don't know of an OS that won't give a program whatever free memory and/or CPU cycles it requests by default (i.e., without the user setting explicit limits), because the OS frankly doesn't know what the program wants to do with them.

      For video encoding, it's entirely reasonable that the software could peg the processors, bogging down everything else running on the computer, but that's a function of the nature of the program. It needs those cycles in order to process video in a reasonable timeframe, and the user should be aware of that when they install it. This behavior is not acceptable for, say, a browser, which is why Firefox got a lot of bad press about five years back: memory leaks and periodic takeovers of processing power. People complained because that's not what a browser should do, and rightly so.

      Omitting throttling on an upload client is like omitting color correction in a photo editing suite. Sure it'll do most of what you need, but it severely restricts the usability.

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    146. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      Ok, learn something about scheduling.

      Hint : Modern multi-user OS does give all cycles to the program that asks for it, but not exactly WHEN the program asks for it. It makes all the difference.

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    147. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by balbus000 · · Score: 1

      So just encrypt your porn before you upload it. problem solved. If I were to use it, I would probably use it for archiving porn. I would prefer rsync but for the average person it would probably be enough to just upload a zip file of last year's porn photos. It would be easy enough to encrypt your porn while you were zipping it.

      FTFY

    148. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by swillden · · Score: 1

      No, because the 2nd drive provides redundancy - if drive 1 fails then you restore from drive 2. There's a slight possibility that both drives fail at the same time but that's a very remote chance.

      House fire.

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    149. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      No, because the 2nd drive provides redundancy - if drive 1 fails then you restore from drive 2. There's a slight possibility that both drives fail at the same time but that's a very remote chance.

      House fire.

      This point has been gone over and over... main drive failure at exactly the same time as a house fire/flood/etc at your secondary location? HIGHLY unlikely.

    150. Re:Yeah, you can totally trust your data... by swillden · · Score: 1

      If you have another location. Personally, all of my important data is in my house, unless I upload it to some offsite backup.

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  2. it is happening again ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I just got redirected to beta. Please do not start that again. It is rude.

  3. Now we have an answer to the 20TB backup question. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    10TB for $99 a month isn't too terrible for a backup if you value your data enough to do so.

  4. Th real cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The real costs are being met by Google being able to snoop even deeper into your life and selling more of your life to advertisers.

    1. Re:Th real cost by wiredlogic · · Score: 2

      Just upload encrypted filesystem containers and go about your business.

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    2. Re:Th real cost by blackjackshellac · · Score: 1

      Yeah, not really an issue, assuming we can trust gpg et al :)

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    3. Re:Th real cost by CCarrot · · Score: 2

      Just upload encrypted filesystem containers and go about your business.

      Truecrypt containers are nice, but the downside is that the entire container has to be re-uploaded every time something inside it is changed. Good argument for having multiple small containers, but then it's a bit of a shell game figuring out where your data is...

      If you're looking for file-by-file encryption, try AxCrypt. It can bulk encrypt / decrypt files, apply strong encryption, and securely shreds the temporaries once you close up a file you opened for whatever reason. And it's also open source ;)

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    4. Re:Th real cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How does that compare to encfs?

    5. Re:Th real cost by CCarrot · · Score: 1

      How does that compare to encfs?

      Not sure, haven't used it :)

      AxCrypt has an excellent user interface, though, and provides a self-decrypting option where you can encrypt a file, email it and the other person doesn't have to install AxCrypt to be able to decrypt it, they just need the shared secret (file or password or both). It doesn't automatically obscure the filenames, however, which it seems like encfs does (?)

      I'm trying to figure out how encfs works: it's a filesystem / folder encryption program, yet the files are still individually visible to the operating system so you can back them up individually / move them around? Is that right? AxCrypt doesn't care where the encrypted file is, you can move it to a thumb drive, throw it on a cd, or throw it in DropBox...sounds like with encfs you can do the same, only it's a whole folder that you have to move all together, is that right?

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    6. Re:Th real cost by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      According to this article only DropBox supports re-syncing just parts of a file that have changed. Google Drive re-uploads the entire file every time, so if you have a 10GB TrueCrypt container and change a few bytes in a text file it re-uploads 10GB.

      Even DropBox has problems with TrueCrypt though if you try to share the container between multiple machines. It's okay for just doing backups from a single machine though.

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  5. You can get a 1TB external for like, 80 bucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And you can use it anywhere. And it has USB 3.0 speed. And it won't be data mined by Google.

    1. Re:You can get a 1TB external for like, 80 bucks by mythosaz · · Score: 2

      And get another one to back it up, and perform your own backups regularly, which of course has an opportunity cost of zero. :/

      I've got 4-5TB of movies, music, and photos. I'm not ready to pay $50/mo for universal access and backups.

      ...but it's getting close to affordable.

    2. Re:You can get a 1TB external for like, 80 bucks by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Except that many phones don't support plugging in USB drives. Come to think of it, a lot of tablets don't either.

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    3. Re:You can get a 1TB external for like, 80 bucks by vux984 · · Score: 1

      For slightly more you can get consumer NAS stuff. WD Live NAS drives for storing 1TB aren't much more than the USB versions.

      And they even have phone/tablet apps for accessing them.

    4. Re:You can get a 1TB external for like, 80 bucks by Guido+von+Guido+II · · Score: 1

      And you can use it anywhere. And it has USB 3.0 speed. And it won't be data mined by Google.

      If you have a fire or flooding and you're not keeping the backup at an offsite location, you've also lost all your data.

    5. Re:You can get a 1TB external for like, 80 bucks by gmack · · Score: 1

      I already have a 2 TB nas stuffed with movies bit this has the advantage that it is off site.

      If your house burns down your NAS goes with it. At least this way I have off site recovery.

    6. Re:You can get a 1TB external for like, 80 bucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (local storage/backup) : Still cheaper. Still better. And if you live in a place where bandwidth caps and low connection speeds are a norm (like where I am), then USB3 drives are really a no-brainer. Just buy a lot of drives. I have like 10 plugged in right now, for a total of about 20TB. I run custom backup software. There's really no better or cheaper solution.

    7. Re:You can get a 1TB external for like, 80 bucks by mythosaz · · Score: 2

      Still better for what?

      Certainly not ease of access across multiple devices in and out of your own network or away from your own storage. Certainly not for backup, without investing in your own off-site recovery method. Certainly not in terms of time spent caring for that solution.

      Having a large virtual drive in the cloud would make my life easier, but certainly not cheaper.

      I don't think it's cost effective for me yet, but there's certainly a lot of green checkmarks on the chart for their solution.

    8. Re:You can get a 1TB external for like, 80 bucks by rudy_wayne · · Score: 0

      Except that many phones don't support plugging in USB drives. Come to think of it, a lot of tablets don't either.

      So stop pretending that phones and tablets are real computers and stop trying to use them that way.

    9. Re:You can get a 1TB external for like, 80 bucks by kaiser423 · · Score: 1

      That's great and all, and I have NAS made of those at home, but I still backup all of my pictures at full resolution to Google's servers. That 1TB drive isn't going to do much for me for disaster recovery when it's sitting right next to my NAS. Then I also get the upside of my phone syncing thumbnails of everything I upload, the ability to see those pictures from everywhere and to also create albums and share them without having to physically send the pictures around.

      I honestly could not care less about my pictures being data mined by Google. I'm posting a chunk of them online anyways. I don't think people pay for TB's of cloud storage to backup critical information. Critical information is typically pretty small in nature and compresses well anyways; no need for cloud storage, a 32GB usb stick in a fire/water proof lockbox is more than adequate for disaster recovery of that type of info.

    10. Re:You can get a 1TB external for like, 80 bucks by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Agreed. It's still not cheap enough to move my media to, but it sure beats Dropbox on price.

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    11. Re:You can get a 1TB external for like, 80 bucks by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      > Certainly not ease of access across multiple devices in and out of your own network or away from your own storage. Certainly not for backup, without investing in your own off-site recovery method.

      Make a friend. Store it at his house.

      Rent a safety deposit box.

      Buy a fire safe.

      Mail a copy to your mother's house.

      The problem with "the cloud" is recovery speed. Upload speeds aren't that great either.

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    12. Re:You can get a 1TB external for like, 80 bucks by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      But why would I want to pay for a monthly fee on storage on something like a laptop or desktop? I could just buy a bigger hard drive and save money in the long run.

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    13. Re:You can get a 1TB external for like, 80 bucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Phones and tablets are real computers, stop pretending otherwise and your life will be less stressful.

      Think of it as "computers" (Street Joe can use it) vs "workstations" (people who use computers to work).

    14. Re:You can get a 1TB external for like, 80 bucks by z4ce · · Score: 1

      You could get Crashplan or Backblaze and back it all up for between $4 and $5 a month.

    15. Re:You can get a 1TB external for like, 80 bucks by mythosaz · · Score: 2

      I'm aware that there are competing backup solutions, and other options for storing your media, but they still require doubling my drive capacity, and implementing one of those solutions.

      If my data is dynamic, I've also got the added burden of fetching that second drive and syncing it regularly, something presumably I don't have to do with this service.

      There are no doubt advantages to local storage, and local backup.

      My point remains that, at this price, it's starting to become viable, and that if it drops low enough, it'll be good enough for a lot of people -- and better in a number of categories, especially around availability in a multi-device, multi-platform world.

    16. Re:You can get a 1TB external for like, 80 bucks by vux984 · · Score: 1

      If your house burns down your NAS goes with it.

      My family members have a few nas drives scattered around, and we've got ecnrypted folders on eachothers, with a few GB of crucial data that are in sync.

      We also mirror our digital family / vacation photos in folders any of us can access.

    17. Re:You can get a 1TB external for like, 80 bucks by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      Sure. But on the other hand, without extra effort that 1TB external is subject to the same hazards that the PC it's sitting next to is. Plus *I* have to monitor and replace that 1TB on a regular basis.

      There's more to backup strategy that just "copy it to an external drive and hope".

    18. Re:You can get a 1TB external for like, 80 bucks by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      Damn straight. I'll remind myself that phones and tablets were never mean to watch movies or listen to music or share vacation photos or pull up a reference document when I'm on a job site. That's the kind of stuff I really should be carrying around a full laptop for.

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    19. Re:You can get a 1TB external for like, 80 bucks by Xenna · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't pay to backup my (non-home) movies, but I would pay to backup my music documents and photo's which is under 1TB.

      An external hard disk on premises is too risky. You could wipe it out during a backup operation. You could lose both the original and the copy in a flood, burglary or fire. Off-site backup is essential IMHO. And a colo server with 1TB+ storage is not really cheap.

    20. Re:You can get a 1TB external for like, 80 bucks by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      Yes, you can take it everywhere with you, and lose it.
      Oops, data's gone.

    21. Re:You can get a 1TB external for like, 80 bucks by CCarrot · · Score: 1

      > Certainly not ease of access across multiple devices in and out of your own network or away from your own storage. Certainly not for backup, without investing in your own off-site recovery method.

      Make a friend. Store it at his house.

      Rent a safety deposit box.

      Buy a fire safe.

      Mail a copy to your mother's house.

      The problem with "the cloud" is recovery speed. Upload speeds aren't that great either.

      Or, you know, just send it upstairs and tell her 'this is important! don't lose it! And YES, I'll have some brownies!" :)

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    22. Re:You can get a 1TB external for like, 80 bucks by blackjackshellac · · Score: 1

      I'm currently doing this with 2 3TB usb3 backups, and I have a copy of the data that I rsync at the offsite end. But still, it's a bit of a hassle, and there is still a small window of potential data loss that is closed significantly when using the cloud to backup. My biggest problem in Canada (with an absolute maximum upload rate of about 200KB/s max, is the time and cost to sync my data, basically impossible for anything more than about 10GB/day. Fucking ISPs in Canada all suck equally when it comes to upload.

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    23. Re:You can get a 1TB external for like, 80 bucks by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      It's bad enough trying to push a mere 20G into the cloud.

      I don't even want to think about how long 10TB would take.

      It would probably be faster to take an array and WALK across the several states between my house and my mother's house.

      I really have to wonder if any of you blithering mindless "cloud zealots" actually use any of this stuff.

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    24. Re:You can get a 1TB external for like, 80 bucks by mythosaz · · Score: 1

      Much like most backup services, you just sort of start the agent in January, and somewhere in April you're up to date.

      Since you don't have to churn butter or anything in the meantime, you mostly forget about it.

    25. Re:You can get a 1TB external for like, 80 bucks by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Do you need to back up all your movies and music? Either it is all ripped from discs you still have or is pirate and can be downloaded again. Ripping/downloading takes time, but probably not as much as you would spending doing backups over the years.

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    26. Re:You can get a 1TB external for like, 80 bucks by benjfowler · · Score: 1

      The cool thing about this, is that it'll force Dropbox to be a bit more competitive on price. That can only be a good thing.

    27. Re:You can get a 1TB external for like, 80 bucks by CRCulver · · Score: 1

      Do you need to back up all your movies and music? Either it is all ripped from discs you still have or is pirate and can be downloaded again.

      Not everything pirated can be easily downloaded again. There are lots of torrents that only have a single seeder, who might disappear halfway through your download. Often it is hard to find the content in a lossless format -- most films can be had from The Pirate Bay, but only as <1GB .avi files, while tracking down a DVD9 or Bluray image of some titles requires a painstaking search and a lot of luck.

      So, backup what you get, because you might not ever see it again.

  6. And .. by OzPeter · · Score: 2

    How much does it cost you to get that terabytes worth of data from your local computer to Google Drive?

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    1. Re:And .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's see... One month of DSL with upload speeds at 756kbps for $50... roughly $200 plus four months of my life.

    2. Re:And .. by Daniel+Hoffmann · · Score: 2

      Startup idea, GoogleDrive bittorrent client. Downloads stuff directly into Drive, then add streaming service for GoogleDrive.

    3. Re:And .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If my Chromecast could access and stream from my Google Drive, that would be great

    4. Re:And .. by kaiser423 · · Score: 1

      0? I routinely push a couple of TB around with my residential Comcast connection. The connection is a sunk cost since I live in the digital age and am going to have it anyways. Having it sync all photos, videos, etc between NAS's and generating backups, uploading them, etc during off-peak hours is minimal to no cost...

    5. Re:And .. by John+Bokma · · Score: 1

      Bittorrent is only going to make a difference if multiple people want to download /your/ data at the same time.

    6. Re:And .. by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      If I have a TB of data to move, a bittorrent client doesn't reduce the amount of data I have to send upstream. What forced for seeded warez doesn't work for unseeded personal files.

    7. Re:And .. by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      And if you really, really, really needed to get the stuff quickly you can "upgrade" to a commercial, highspeed account (100Mbps uncapped is ~$200/mo) and upload everything quickly or - in the case of a failure - download it all back faster than they can write it to a HDD and mail it to you.

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    8. Re:And .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nsa, tsa, cia, gchq, facebook... there's five just off the top of my head.

    9. Re:And .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or if you want to download your data to multiple machines... cloud like...

    10. Re:And .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bittorrent could be handy when it comes to throttling the rate at which your data gets uploaded to Drive. Google doesn't let you throttle uploads, and it's a pain when you go to move large amounts of data and your link to the ISP gets flooded as a result

    11. Re:And .. by Joey+Vegetables · · Score: 1

      Amazon's Import/Export service (which works with Glacier, their low-cost data archival solution) lets you send them portable drives for a very minimal fee. They can transfer data from those drives to their network at the speed of the drive interface, or transfer it to those drives and send them back to you. I think they accept most kinds of removable media (flash drives, maybe SD cards, not quite sure). Anything that can be mounted on Linux. I would be surprised and disappointed if Google Drive did not offer a comparable feature.

  7. Slashvertisement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm curious, how much does it cost to run a Slashvertisement like this? I'm putting together a marketing plan and want to see if it fits within my budget.

    1. Re:Slashvertisement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depends on how flexible you are with payment terms, I'd imagine. There is cash...and then there is knee-pad service. Just sayin'...

    2. Re:Slashvertisement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Leave Slashdot. Head over to AltSlashdot.org. Fuck beta and fuck slashvertisements.

    3. Re:Slashvertisement? by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      Maybe they're being paid in GoogleCoins? (coming soon)

  8. Math is hard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1TB for $9.99 is even cheaper... Just saying.

  9. That's nice - but it's based in the US by SustainableJeroen · · Score: 2

    I've always been wondering why no Google-equivalent (or Facebook, or Twitter, or Amazon, for that matter) came out of Europe. Not every one is comfortable storing personal or business data on servers in the US.

    1. Re:That's nice - but it's based in the US by ledow · · Score: 1

      Dunno about anyone else, but Google and Bing in the UK both provide data protection guarantees in line with EU data directives (or else a lot of places wouldn't be able to use them).

      I've put Google Apps for Education into several schools, and that's pretty much their first concern - and the first one to be laid to rest, at least on paper...

    2. Re:That's nice - but it's based in the US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is that the US government can compel both Google and Microsoft to surrender that data, data guarantees be damned - a secret court order will trump any other contracts US companies might make. And as we all know it's not just a hypothetical, the US government has shown itself more than willing to take that route.

      Of course if you're actually want/need to be secure you should locally encrypt any data going to the cloud, regardless who the provider is, where they reside, or what they claim.

    3. Re:That's nice - but it's based in the US by tero · · Score: 1

      There is - F-Secure has a cloud solution called Younited. http://www.younited.com/

    4. Re:That's nice - but it's based in the US by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      at least on paper...

      And therin lies the problem, if a megacorp whose headquarters are in the US is given the choice between handing the data over to the US government (and hence breaking EU law but probablly not being punished for it since the EU government won't know it happened) or refusing to hand the data over and getting punished by the US governemnent for doing so which do you think they will choose?

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    5. Re:That's nice - but it's based in the US by Overzeetop · · Score: 2

      Are you worried about the NSA? 'Cause here in the states they pretend like they need a reason to gather data. Snooping data in non-US countries is their raison d'etre.

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  10. Why do you think $.02*12/year/GB is cheap? by cb123 · · Score: 2

    A 4TB drive is under 200 USD from several vendors. That is only $.05/GB. So, at 0.24/yr. This is 5..10X more expensive than commercial off the shelf home drive space assuming you have to buy a new drive every 1-2 years. That time figure is pretty conservative.

    So, yeah, you maybe cloud storage gives you some replication, and the syncing of that replication costs some amount of money for bandwidth. How much extra that reliability costs really depends on the data dynamics, though and isn't as easy to estimate.

    Also, 5..10X more is just about the ratio of SSD storage to magnetic disks. SSD is considered "relatively expensive storage" by most people I know.

    1. Re:Why do you think $.02*12/year/GB is cheap? by DaHat · · Score: 4, Informative

      Do you think data you upload to a cloud storage provider lives on just one hard disk that is plugged into the wall and that's it?

      While some data centers do rely on more consumer level hardware (vs enterprise)... to help make up for the inherent unreliability of consumer level drives, they will replicate the data across multiple HDDs, in multiple racks, and possibly across multiple datacenters... as well as monitor the underlying bits for bitrot and overall integrity... in addition to sometimes offering backup options of what has been stored.

      And this aside from offering you 24/7 access to the data from anywhere in the world while keeping that HDD and the attached server running (and power consuming) and with a redundant power system available.

      All of these things quickly add up in terms of cost... so yes, two cents/GB is quite inexpensive for cloud storage these days when compared to like offerings.

    2. Re:Why do you think $.02*12/year/GB is cheap? by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      I have a 500GB external that 1GB at this point has cost me less than $0.01/Mo... I more recently got a 3TB on sale for $103 but I'm not sure I would use a cloud storage service for large amount of data just because of the time involved with transferring that much data.

      let's say I buy a 2TB hard drive for $99 each month, after 5 months I have 10TB, and at the end of the year I would have 24TB. That's more than twice the storage space and i don't need to spend $99/mo to keep it.

    3. Re:Why do you think $.02*12/year/GB is cheap? by ThatAblaze · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You fail to consider the cost of electricity, or the cost of redundancy in case the hard drive crashes.

    4. Re:Why do you think $.02*12/year/GB is cheap? by dissy · · Score: 1

      A 4TB drive is under 200 USD from several vendors. That is only $.05/GB. So, at 0.24/yr.

      And a 74 GB SAS drive is $300, which won't fall over and puke on itself the second a second user tries to perform a read operation on it, nor will die in zero to a few years.
      That is only $4 per GB, and provides significantly higher speeds, bandwidth, and lifetime over your option.

      Not to mention, I would rather pay Google $0.02 per GB for the service of "storing my data", compared to paying you anything for the service of "oops, all your data was lost because this crappy consumer level drive failed"

    5. Re:Why do you think $.02*12/year/GB is cheap? by silas_moeckel · · Score: 1

      Backups need not be powered on. I'm many ways it's better if they are not. Even backing up twice your still cheaper than these cloud services.

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    6. Re:Why do you think $.02*12/year/GB is cheap? by ThatAblaze · · Score: 1

      That workflow requires quite a lot of manual maintenance, which also has a cost.

    7. Re:Why do you think $.02*12/year/GB is cheap? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And no one is considering the cost of Google deciding to increase the price after you've already stored your data in their cloud.

    8. Re:Why do you think $.02*12/year/GB is cheap? by silas_moeckel · · Score: 1

      Not to sure about that Bacula is quite happy telling me it needs a new drive to fill up, or to recycle an old one. Tape would be cheaper after I need about 30 drives but not even close for my personal stuff. But still attaching a usb drive now and again it not that labor intensive.

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    9. Re:Why do you think $.02*12/year/GB is cheap? by rnswebx · · Score: 2

      Let's not forget the cost of the computer to plug these drives into. Also forgetting the management time for backups, and whatever offsite mechanism you're using for DR, whether it's just the price of gas to drive to a friend or family, the power at a second facility, safety deposit box, or whatever it is.

      Nobody is saying that you can't do it for cheaper yourself, if you don't place much value on your time. Backing up 1TB at $.02/gb for one year costs $240. A 1TB external drive costs about $70, and we need at least 2 for redundancy. Assuming a 3 year warranty on the drive, and not accounting for any of the additional costs mentioned above, the total cost for 1TB over 3 years would be:

      gdrive: $720
      usb drives: $140

      That's a difference of $580, over 36 months. In exchange for not having to worry about anything relating to my data's safety, in this scenario, I would pay an additional $16/month. Even if If I only had to spend, on average, an hour per month on the backups, I'd still consider the gdrive a better value, and that's not even considering the additional price of doing the backups yourself. All of the potential time dealing with whatever the DR solution is, re-syncing a failed drive and dealing with the RMA process, or any of the other countless issues there are with backups, I find the "cloud" solution works best for me.

      YMMV, of course, which is why we all have options.

    10. Re:Why do you think $.02*12/year/GB is cheap? by vux984 · · Score: 1

      Not to mention, I would rather pay Google $0.02 per GB for the service of "storing my data",

      And them going through it to profile you, handing a copy to the government, and the likelihood that they get hacked one day (either en masse or just your account or some disgrunted employee) and it gets out to someone/everyone else just free perks then?

      You also eat some business risk that they may decide to discontinue the service, with little or no notice.

      And they may lose it. Google's lost data before after all. They're far better administrators than the average joe consumer, but they aren't magical. You should probably still arrange for another backup.

      That said, I don't object to making use of cloud storage where appropriate... but google storage? Really? Don't they have enough of your data already?

      , compared to paying you anything for the service of "oops, all your data was lost because this crappy consumer level drive failed"

      Of course, one could maintain a couple copies. So when the drives inevitably fail, you've got more copies.

      And really most data isn't worth backing up. My music / movies -- not going to sweat 99% of them. Vacation photos etc? I replicate copies to my family (and they to me). Odds of all of us losing them at once are near enough to zilch -- that whatever catastrophe manages to do it will probably make the lost photos the least of our concerns.

    11. Re:Why do you think $.02*12/year/GB is cheap? by dissy · · Score: 1

      And them going through it to profile you, handing a copy to the government, and the likelihood that they get hacked one day (either en masse or just your account or some disgrunted employee) and it gets out to someone/everyone else just free perks then?

      That can be a risk yes, but is easily defeated.

      If the files I upload are intended to be distributed and shared, say software I write or videos I publish or whatnot, then that profiling is only a good thing since I want to rise in the search results as the source and creator.

      If the files are a backup of personal/company data, stuff not to be shared anyway, I'll be uploading an encrypted container.
      Yes, my profile will have a single entry stating I use encryption (which I don't know how to avoid) but my actual data isn't profiled since they can't read it.

      You also eat some business risk that they may decide to discontinue the service, with little or no notice.

      True, that is always a risk when you go 3rd party and don't do it "in house".

      But that shouldn't be TOO much of a problem, especially for the backup situation. By definition backups are a copy, and by best practices you shouldn't ever have only one copy but many. Losing one may be an inconvenience in replacing it, but only a fool would delete their originals after uploading a backup.
      (Not to say there aren't fools out there who do exactly that - only to say this is the fools fault, not the hosting provider)

      For the distribution situation, it is adamantly a much larger inconvenience and to many more people.
      Hopefully a person operating this way has their own domain name and website, and can be the authoritative source for where to download the files.
      Then it's just time being spent to upload everything to a new host to distribute and updating the links that point to them.

      Yes users wanting to download will be upset, but that's mainly a result of you not having redundancy in place.
      I realize redundancy isn't always an option for many reasons, and am not attempting to place blame. (If you can't afford it, you can't afford it.)
      But this is the case with most everything online, be it file hosting, web hosting, backup services, ISPs/uplinks using BGP vs a single DSL/cable provider, etc.
      I don't see that as a fault with the 3rd party really, just an unfortunate truth to the nature of what we do.

      And they may lose it. Google's lost data before after all. They're far better administrators than the average joe consumer, but they aren't magical. You should probably still arrange for another backup.

      Agreed! No one is perfect, and expecting otherwise can only bite you.
      But for most, especially individuals and hobbyists but small companies too, Google or Amazons (or even Microsofts) admins are going to have more time and people on hand to take care of it.

      It's always a cost/benefit to figure out.

      That said, I don't object to making use of cloud storage where appropriate... but google storage? Really? Don't they have enough of your data already?

      Perhaps. I think this one is going to boil down to personal preference.
      There is a certain extent I do trust Google, and a line I wouldn't trust them past. I suspect my line is a bit closer to "trust" than your line is ;}

      But assuming we are both knowledgeable about what Google does, what their business modal is, and what specific thing we will be using them for - I don't think there is much either of us can say to move that line for the other much, and that doesn't make either of us wrong.

      , compared to paying you anything for the service of "oops, all your data was lost because this crappy consumer level drive failed"

      Of course, one could maintain a couple copies. So when the drives inevitably fail, you've got more copies.

      According to the statements made which my comme

  11. I'm confused. by The+Good+Reverend · · Score: 1

    "The 2 dollar plan per month means that the price for a gigabyte gets down to an incredibly low price of only two cents per month."

    Translation, please. I must have missed something.

    1. Re:I'm confused. by ledow · · Score: 1

      There's a $2 per month plan.

      On that plan, the price per gigabyte works out to $0.02 per month. Because you get 100Gb.

      What's hard about that? Okay, it won't win the Plain English Campaign, but for sure it's not the most obscure thing I've ever read.

    2. Re:I'm confused. by flargleblarg · · Score: 0

      On that plan, the price per gigabyte works out to $0.02 per month. Because you get 100Gb.

      Actually, you get 100 GB (gigabytes), not 100 Gb (gigabits).

    3. Re:I'm confused. by The+Good+Reverend · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'm seeing my mistake now. Too much/not enough coffee...

    4. Re:I'm confused. by fnj · · Score: 1

      Too not much enough coffee happens to all of us.

    5. Re:I'm confused. by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      But that means the price is $2 for 100 GB. That doesn't mean it's $0.02 for 1 GB, because that option doesn't exist. Otherwise, I'm sure people would opt to pay 20 cents a month for an extra 10 GB. When you go to the gas station and buy gas for $3 a gallon, that's the actual price, because you can buy any quantity of gas you want (within the limits of their supplies and minimum measurements), and pay $3 for a gallon, or less for a fraction of a gallon.

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  12. NSA Storage Service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The NSA has an even better deal. The only price you pay for storage of all of your data is your freedom.

    1. Re:NSA Storage Service by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but their sync service is total shit.

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  13. The storage is cheap but.. by invictusvoyd · · Score: 1

    The algorithms scanning through it , trying to make marketing sense of all that data are expensive ..

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  14. So the disk space is not that expensive... by rnturn · · Score: 1

    ... but for a lot of people, moving the data to and from the storage is what's really going to be costly. It'll be interesting to see how much of that disk space ends up going unused when word gets around about how much users get clobbered with data overage charges by AT&T, et al trying to use the cheap disk space.

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    1. Re:So the disk space is not that expensive... by DaHat · · Score: 1

      It depends on how you use that space... and how quickly you fill it.

      Sure your ISP may not be happy if over the course of a few days you upload a few hundred gigs to any provider like this... but after that's done, the bandwidth bill stays low as there isn't usually much churn.

      In the case that the amount of data to be uploaded is even larger... some cloud providers have the option to simply mail hard drives directly to the datacenter to import the data directly.

  15. Get what you pay for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Much happier paying [url=https://tarsnap.com]Tarsnap[/url] for proper secure storage.

    1. Re:Get what you pay for by Stratus311 · · Score: 1

      No Windows support and no GUI. This should totally appeal to the masses.

  16. Derp: 1GB is FREE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    1GB is FREE. Up 15GB is FREE
    Information is a hell of a drug.

  17. Sounds great... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now if the software could actually handle syncing existing folders... seriously

  18. Costs money to upload it by js3 · · Score: 1

    You get charged for bandwidth so don't think it's cheap

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    1. Re: Costs money to upload it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I pay the same to my ISP no matter how idle my link. Uploading to this costs me nothing extra.

    2. Re:Costs money to upload it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea, maybe in Australia. In America, most people are on unlimited plans, or if there are limits, they are high enough. The exception is for people on Satellite internet. For normal people using cable or dsl, no limits. Comcast has some experimental limits here, but it's 300GB per month. They give you 3 grace months a year too, so you could use one of those for the initial upload.

  19. Bad math by flargleblarg · · Score: 1
    Summary parrots article, saying:

    $1.99 for 100GB (previously $4.99), $9.99 for 1TB (previously $49.99), and $99.99 for 10TB.The 2 dollar plan per month means that the price for a gigabyte gets down to an incredibly low price of only two cents per month.

    While it's true that the 2-dollar plan per month are $0.02 per month, the other plans are only $0.01 per month. Failing to mention this is bad math.

    Here is a table of prices:

    $2 / 100 GB / month ==> $0.02 / month
    $10 / 1 TB / month ==> $0.01 / month
    $100 / 10 TB / month ==> $0.02 / month

    (Yes, I know it's technically $1.99 and not $2.00, but let's face it... prices ending in ".99" are retarded.)

    1. Re:Bad math by flargleblarg · · Score: 1

      $100 / 10 TB / month ==> $0.02 / month

      Annnndd.... I can't type today.

      (Why the hell doesn't Slashdot let us edit our articles to correct typos after posting?)

    2. Re:Bad math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Correct Math:

      Here is a table of prices:

      $2 / 100 GB / month ==> $0.02 / month
      $10 / 1 TB / month ==> $0.01 / month
      $100 / 10 TB / month ==> $0.01 / month

    3. Re:Bad math by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 1

      That would be nice. I suspect there is a conspiracy involving both Safari and Slashdot to make us all look mentally challenged.

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    4. Re:Bad math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Preview.

  20. every single kb is mineable, so why not ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    with that kind of information you should be able to predict the future.

  21. Amazon Glacier by hawguy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If you're looking for long-term archival storage, Amazon Glacier is a pretty good deal at a $0.01/GB. I backed a few hundred GB's of data there and it's only costing me a few dollars/month. Restores will cost money, but if my house burns down and I lose my NAS + backups, I won't mind paying them a few hundred dollars to restore my data to a hard drive and ship it to me. Does Google Drive provide a way to ship your data on a hard drive? It would take me days or weeks to download data over my currrent internet connection (assuming I don't hit my ISP's data cap)

    1. Re:Amazon Glacier by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      This actually starts looking a lot better if you're near the TB+ mark. At 1TB, it costs the same as glacier ($0.01/GB) with no bandwidth charges and instant, sync access.

      The restore data is a nice feature, but for a few hundred dollars you can almost certainly negotiate access to get your data back that quickly from someone (vs having someone else queue you up, copy to disk, and then ship). Most big cable operators have 100Mb connections now. I don't know this for a fact, but I have this suspicion that if I slipped $200 to the right person at the local comcast office, I'll bet I could use their internet to download my TB to a hard drive in one day. Probably 1/4 of that if I had a friend with comcast business services (which are unmetered).

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    2. Re:Amazon Glacier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sorry but how is $10 a month a good deal per TB for backup (especially when they will charge you extra for restores). it may be more convenient but it is still way more expensive then do it yourself solutions such as backup and store at a friends house. In a 2 year period you are paying 5-6 times what the storage actually costs, more that money there are far cheaper and better solutions. myself and a friend provide hosting for each others backup data (onine), costs us a tiny fraction of what Amazon or Google charge and we get to maintain control of our data.

    3. Re:Amazon Glacier by hawguy · · Score: 1

      sorry but how is $10 a month a good deal per TB for backup (especially when they will charge you extra for restores). it may be more convenient but it is still way more expensive then do it yourself solutions such as backup and store at a friends house. In a 2 year period you are paying 5-6 times what the storage actually costs, more that money there are far cheaper and better solutions. myself and a friend provide hosting for each others backup data (onine), costs us a tiny fraction of what Amazon or Google charge and we get to maintain control of our data.

      I think you just answered that -- it's more convenient (and it's automatic).

      Soon after adding new photos to my NAS, they are backed up on Amazon, no need to remember to do a drive exchange with a friend across town.

      If I have to do a restore from my Glacier backups, then that means that both my NAS and backup drives have failed, so I've had a major catastrophe (and in the event of an earthquake it's likely that the friend across town is suffering from the same catastrophe). So in that case, I really don't care if I have to pay a couple hundred dollars to do a restore.

    4. Re:Amazon Glacier by Common+Joe · · Score: 1

      No backup is complete without actually testing the restore capabilities. How is Amazon Glacier in that regard?

    5. Re:Amazon Glacier by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      In that regard, it is great because 1 GB restore per month is free. So you could test for free, provided the "test" is crafted such that it results in less than 1 GB data download.

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  22. Almost as cheap as it used to be. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bought in to google storage back before they went to monthly billing...
    I pay $5 a year for 20Gb... works out to just over 2 cents per month per gigabyte...

    Under the new plan I could pay just under 2 cents per month per gigabyte...

    Except google is saying they actually are giving me 36 Gigabyte; 16GB bonus for being a paid user and an early adopter... which works out to 1.2 cents per gigabyte per month...

    Of course, some of that storage would probably be free if I weren't paying for it... so who knows what the real savings or cost actually is... not me. But I can still stomach $5 a year to store a bunch of photos in a location where I can share them with others or not as I choose.

    1. Re:Almost as cheap as it used to be. by heezer7 · · Score: 1

      Free is 15GB

  23. Commercial? by joebok · · Score: 1

    Why do I get the feeling this was a paid ad?

  24. I'll stick with SpiderOak and TarSnap. by grub · · Score: 1

    I'll stick with SpiderOak and TarSnap Fully encrypted, zero knowledge from their end. A bit more money but good peace of mind.

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    1. Re:I'll stick with SpiderOak and TarSnap. by Danathar · · Score: 1

      use encfs with Google Drive and it's just as safe.

    2. Re:I'll stick with SpiderOak and TarSnap. by grub · · Score: 1

      Yeah encfs is great for live filesystems, no argument there. I meant for archiving and backups of things offsite, should have clarified.

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  25. Re:Now we have an answer to the 20TB backup questi by jedidiah · · Score: 1

    It is when compared to 10TB of local storage.

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  26. Encryption? by dc29A · · Score: 1

    Good luck data mining my TrueCrypt containers ...

    1. Re:Encryption? by ArcadeMan · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm worst than that, I make randomly-written files, compress them to ZIP, compress them again in RAR, put that inside a GZ, ROT13 the whole thing and then encrypt it.

      And for the cherry on top, I name the file "confidential_data.dmg" before uploading it.

    2. Re:Encryption? by ravenlord_hun · · Score: 1

      Just write them onto tape, and wait a few years until GPUs are even better at cracking or a bug has been found in TrueCrypt (remember, the first audit is only starting now).

    3. Re:Encryption? by whovian · · Score: 1

      What containers? /waves arm like jedi mind-trick

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    4. Re:Encryption? by Voyager529 · · Score: 1

      I'm worst than that, I make randomly-written files, compress them to ZIP, compress them again in RAR, put that inside a GZ, ROT13 the whole thing and then encrypt it.

      And for the cherry on top, I name the file "confidential_data.dmg" before uploading it.

      I've done pretty close already:

      http://i.imgur.com/yz13tnR.png

      All that's in there is a spanned RAR archive of a 10GB file consisting solely of the output of a windows variant of /dev/random, password protected using a full 64 character alphanumeric/symbolic password from GRC.

      I tip my hat to your multiple levels of encryption, but I'm glad to know that somewhere out there, Google has redundantly stored about 9GB of completely useless data.

    5. Re:Encryption? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In he UK, you could wind up in jail. The police could claim it was encrypted data, and demand that you hand over the password, on penalty of imprisonment.

    6. Re:Encryption? by dinfinity · · Score: 1

      You are easily entertained.

  27. Google cannot be trusted with important things. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google has a long history of getting rid of features or tools on a whim, and with
    little advance warning to those who used those things.

    If you trust Google while being aware of the above, you are a fool and you deserve
    no sympathy when you are screwed by Google.

  28. How do you mount the drive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I couldn't find anything on their site that states if it is NFS or SMB. I signed up for it, but I found nothing anywhere in the instructions that indicate how you actually access your files. It seems like a scam.

    1. Re:How do you mount the drive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Must use the Google Drive client or use the web interface.

      Also, Google will mine your data for anything useful about you they can sell. This is why they want you using it so badly.

    2. Re:How do you mount the drive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously? They don't support any standard ways of access files with this "drive?" Then it isn't a drive, and Google is proven a bunch of liars again. Can they simply not tell the truth? Why do they feel the need to constantly try to fuck over the public with what they admit to?

  29. Way too expensive! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So my 2TB drive paid for itself in two months! Cool... I'm gonna be rich. ; )

  30. Slashdot Google shill advertisement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This should be a banner ad.

  31. Re:Now we have an answer to the 20TB backup questi by rudy_wayne · · Score: 2

    10TB for $99 a month isn't too terrible for a backup if you value your data enough to do so.

    That's $1200 a year. For the same $1200 you can buy a NAS box of equal or greater capacity that's yours and doesn't require monthly payments.

  32. Linux client by dlenmn · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Now, if only they would make a Linux client. Then, I might use it. Until then, Dropbox all the way!

    1. Re:Linux client by DogGuts · · Score: 1

      Now, if only they would make a Linux client. Then, I might use it. Until then, Dropbox all the way!

      Shame I lack modpoints, but: Exactly This!

    2. Re: Linux Client by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They have a web client. Isn't that enough? If that isn't enough, then you should get more onlines.

    3. Re:Linux client by cciechad · · Score: 1

      https://github.com/astrada/goo... FUSE filesystem for gdrive

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    4. Re:Linux client by vandamme · · Score: 1

      copy.com (https://copy.com?r=Zv8zHi) and ubuntuone have clients that integrate with Linux file managers too.

      I keep a few Linux ISOs at Microsoft's cloud, just for fun. Sky drive, or whatever they call it now.

    5. Re:Linux client by severn2j · · Score: 1

      I use 'grive' myself, while not as good as the linux dropbox client, it does the job okay for my backups.. https://github.com/Grive/grive

  33. All kinds of stupid.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They arent doing it out of the goodness of their hearts, so therefore the profits in the deal are coming from somplace else - the service you need to access all that data, someone elses advertising, etc.... Its really like saying that the packets of ketchup at Mc Donalds are FREE if you close your eyes and dont care to see all the rest of whats involved.

  34. Re:Now we have an answer to the 20TB backup questi by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But that NAS is likely sitting at your location, which means if it gets burned down by insane meth heads or swallowed by a sinkhole, you're good and screwed.

    For my business, I use DFS that replicates our shared drives at all three locations, so I feel fairly confident that an almost up-to-date mirror of the data is being held at two other locations, all of which are separated by a lot of miles. Coupled with offsite backup, I feel the business data is secure.

    At the moment my personal data is on Dropbox, with my absolutely confidential data in a Truecrypt container. Still, Dropbox is kind of expensive for the 7 or 8gb of data I'd like to store, so I will definitely be considering Google's offering. Since both work the same, at least for the PC versions, in that each computer has a full copy of the data, if Google goes offline or pulls the plug, I still have my multiple copies sitting around.

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  35. Re:Now we have an answer to the 20TB backup questi by godrik · · Score: 1

    The point of a google drive backup is to have an offsite backup. Now, I agree you could set up that machine at a friend's house (or familly member) and get the offsite backup with a little bit of network configuration.

  36. advertisement by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

    I know it is a paid advertisement but still, those prices are NOT incredibly low, they are still significantly more than purchasing your drives and doing it yourself and they are supposedly getting the benefit of scale as well as the benefit of being able to mine and sell your data.

  37. I love dropbox by mtbink.com · · Score: 1

    I love Dropbox even though it is expensive ^_^

  38. Re:Now we have an answer to the 20TB backup questi by torkus · · Score: 1

    Yep...and how much does it cost if you add a backup solution and off-site replication?

    Another $1200 NAS
    Somewhere to put it
    Connectivity
    Maintenance and/or monitoring

    Cheaper? Probably (for now). Cheaper enough to be worth if if you value your data? Not for me.

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  39. Re:Now we have an answer to the 20TB backup questi by CCarrot · · Score: 1

    10TB for $99 a month isn't too terrible for a backup if you value your data enough to do so.

    That's $1200 a year. For the same $1200 you can buy a NAS box of equal or greater capacity that's yours and doesn't require monthly payments.

    Pretty close.

    Still, even at the price points I linked to it's still under a two-year payback window, and that includes setting the backup up as Raid 5 so you have some basic redundancy...

    It doesn't help with the 'but what if the house burns down' argument, though. Unless you set it up at a friends house and use FTP, I suppose.

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  40. Jottacloud has unlimited data for $6/month. by fluor2 · · Score: 1

    I posted this on the other 20TB backup article, however I see I got downrated. But I feel this is in it's right place at this article too :)

    Cheers.

    1. Re:Jottacloud has unlimited data for $6/month. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I posted this on the other 20TB backup article, however I see I got downrated. But I feel this is in it's right place at this article too :)

      Cheers.

      The problem with "unlimited" services is that no service is unlimited. Read the fine print.

  41. Re:Now we have an answer to the 20TB backup questi by blackjackshellac · · Score: 1

    Until your house burns down.

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  42. Re:Now we have an answer to the 20TB backup questi by blackjackshellac · · Score: 1

    You need two of those 1200 NAS boxes, and you have to replace failed drives, and you have to move storage off site in case of fire, theft, foo, bar. $1200 for 10TB of storage is so incredibly cheap. It was only 15 years ago that we used to sell 100GB NAS boxes for $100,000.

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  43. Fucking Beta! by sootman · · Score: 1

    Now my "disable advertising" checkbox doesn't work. :-(

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    1. Re:Fucking Beta! by samwichse · · Score: 1

      It's not a bug, it's a feature!

  44. Encrypting Gdrive/Dropbox etc.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have had a Google drive for over a year now. I use it to sync documents from my laptop to my PCs. I found boxcrypter now! It sits between you and Google/Dropbox/etc and encrypts the files on the fly. Been using it for about a month now and no problems. Absolutely cannot lose your "key" information tho or your encrypted drive is gone.

    Another solution for my Linux boxes is I bought 250GB VPS on backupsy.com. I setup an encrypted Debian install running SeaFile server for my google drive mirrors. 5 bux a month and I get my own offsite shell account too. And I rsync my various linux boxes there also (minecraft servers).

  45. Could the price change? by walterbyrd · · Score: 0

    I don't want to get all my stuff loaded on google, and then have them jack up the price.

  46. Thanks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks for posting this, I was using Google Drive at the 100GB level and paying the old price. When I went to check it out, my control panel said I was on the 'Legacy Plan' and still displayed $4.99/mo. You can simple select the new $1.99 plan right next to it to switch the account over.

    So in short, you actually have to go and switch the account yourself, otherwise you will still be paying the higher price.

  47. actually it's cheaper than that by jcgam69 · · Score: 1

    If you already buy storage from Google you'll get that storage in addition to the new plan. In my case I get 125 GB for $1.99/mo.

  48. "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You trolling piece of shit http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4885825&cid=46474817

    APK

    P.S.=> How many times do I have to show everyone you're a worthless piece of crap troll? This, is just yet another... apk

  49. I'd rather copy my files to /dev/null by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After sending hard copies to the NSA of course.

  50. Expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hubic gives you the same for ten times cheaper https://hubic.com/en/offers/, and it's hosted by a French company, which will not give out encryption keys to the NSA

  51. Re:Now we have an answer to the 20TB backup questi by jedidiah · · Score: 1

    > Until your house burns down.

    OK. So who here has ever had their house burn down? ANYONE?

    [crickets chirp]

    Once you've got more than one copy of something it's trivial for even the biggest technical rube to sneakernet it somewhere else. On the other hand, it's terribly cumbersome to copy much of anything into the cloud.

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  52. "Run, Forrest: RUN!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You trolling piece of undereducated useless shit http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4885825&cid=46474817

    APK

    P.S.=> How many times do I have to show everyone here that you're a worthless piece of crap troll? This, is just yet another... apk

    1. Re:"Run, Forrest: RUN!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You really need to get a life. It's pathetic that you sit on Slashdot, and probably other forums, all day long posting childish nonsense like this. Go out. Have a couple beers. Get laid. I promise you'll feel better than sitting in your mother's basement and arguing over the internet.

    2. Re:"Run, Forrest: RUN!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      APK is clearly mentally ill. His own post history confirms it. He will continue to post the same crap on slashdot until he dies (or slashdot dies). Pity him, and hope he gets treatment some day.

  53. You can buy 2TB HDD for less than $100 by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    So, basically, you're paying them $40 to power $100 worth of storage, or a rental per month of ... seriously, that's quite the markup.

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  54. Who needs that much storage? by Sentrion · · Score: 1

    640 kB ought to be enough for anybody.

  55. Stupid comparison by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

    Why not compare the price of google cloud storage, with the cost of cloud storage from google competitors?

    Don't you think that would be a meaningful comparison?

  56. Why not bitch about MS pricing "slashvertisments" by walterbyrd · · Score: 0

    You MS shills are so transparent.

    There have been several recent postings about MS dumping it's price for it's OS. Why not bitch about that?

  57. Also backups, security, etc. by walterbyrd · · Score: 0

    These MS shills comparing the cost of online storage, to the cost of local storage, must think we're idiots.

    Why not compare apples to apples?

    Compare google cloud storage, with other cloud storage. Maybe google will win, maybe not. But at least that is a valid comparison.

  58. Yes, but... by IndigoDarkwolf · · Score: 1

    ...can I pay them in Dogecoins?

  59. As an existing Google Drive paid user - a question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looking at my storage page today, I see:

    Legacy plan
    100 GB @ $4.99/month

    Or I could switch to
    100 GB @ $1.99/month

    Now... I'm no maths whiz, but... what would I be losing, if I switch to the cheaper, seemingly identical package, I wonder?

  60. Can you just upload encrypted data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    to prevent data mining? How much of a hassle would that be?

  61. Divide by zero... by evilviper · · Score: 1

    If that's "cheap" what would you call https://mega.co.nz/

    They offer 50GBytes for FREE...

    50 / 0 = !@#%$^*&^&(*$%^&

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    1. Re:Divide by zero... by Nemyst · · Score: 1

      I call it "likely to be shut down in six months".

      Sorry, I don't know about you, but one big point of cloud storage is reliability.

    2. Re:Divide by zero... by evilviper · · Score: 1

      Mega has been up far more than six months already, and Google is the last place I'd ever go for longevity of their flavor of the week projects...

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  62. Re:Now we have an answer to the 20TB backup questi by F1re · · Score: 1

    I have a friend whose computer room burnt down because the desk fan pointed at the server to keep it cool died and caught alight. All data on hard drives lost. Very unhappy wife.

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  63. Re:Now we have an answer to the 20TB backup questi by OlivierB · · Score: 2

    Dropbox still has one key feature that Google Drive can't figure out: incremental updates. That means that small changes in big files do not require the entire file to be uploaded again. IN your case, a large Truecrypt continuer will change frequently (or parts thereof). Dropbox won't blink an eye when it does delta change updates. Google Drive will upload the WHOLE thing once again. If you're using truecrypt, dropbox is your only practical choice.

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  64. Re:Now we have an answer to the 20TB backup questi by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    I have had two different houses in different towns flooded.

  65. So? by lennier1 · · Score: 1

    It's now subsidized by the NSA?

  66. So to sum up... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So I already have a NAS box, and it holds 2 drives, and I only have 1 in it. I had a drive die last week, and bought a 2TB drive for $69. Now if Google is selling cloud storage @ 1GB for $0.02 per month, then the equivalent of my 2TB drive would cost (here's the math so you can see: 2TB/1GB*0.02=$40. per month. Every month. When I buy the 2TB drive its a one time cost till the head crash. And its in a box used for backup, just like Google's cloud, except I have control over my NAS box (its on a local lan, not accessible over the internet). I like my NAS box. Its cheaper than Google's, and I know where my data is.... right over there.

  67. Nobody is counting egress traffic costs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The secret hiding in plain sight is the egress traffic costs.

    Both Amazon and Google hike their egress traffic prices so that you want to do all your processing in their Cloud.

    Just look at the cost of transfering 1TB OUT of the Google Cloud. It will cost you $120. So there is an equivalence between storing data for 6 months and trasferring it out once.

    What you really need to understand is that storage is subsidised because of the network effect and lockin it provides. You can put your data there, but you cannot afford to get it out.

    Just compare this to bulk transfer prices on ISPs to see how ridiculous the egress traffic prices are. On 100tb.com you get a server with 100TB egress for $200/month, which works out to $2 per TB, a fraction of what Google charge. Amazon is similar.

    Amazon's CDN is consistently rated to be the worst in benchmarks, so although not a totally fair comparison, their network is certainly not "golden".

    TL;DR the egress bandwidth is what you should look at.

  68. It's a matter of perspective by hyades1 · · Score: 1

    From the user's point of view, the cost is a bit different. It's x cents per month for storage, plus whatever you pay for internet access.

    And, of course, the fact that there's no question Uncle Sam will be pawing through your Rule 34 collection.

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  69. Re:Now we have an answer to the 20TB backup questi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    99.99% of houses with a NAS do not burn due to meth heads in a year, so the reliability is the same.

    These are official NAS-stats.

  70. Check out Crashplan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unlimited storage for only a few bucks a month. I have been using their service for years and have never had any problems.

  71. Bandwidth limit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is interesting but yet Google has bandwidth limits.

    I prefer to use Copy.com service starting with 20GB with this link: http://goo.gl/2fttqn
    No bandwidth limits nor file type limits.

    Excellent service!

  72. Flickr gives 1 TB Free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In case there are folks that aren't aware Flickr gives 1 Tb of Photo Storage for free.

  73. Lazy Slashvert of the year by danknight48 · · Score: 1

    And in other news websites, they make it CLEAR that 15GB of drive storage will cost you £0.00!
    Go Slashadvert!

    A "better" slashdot news article would of contained:
    - Data transfer Benchmarks
    - System infrastructure information

    But seems we are way past that in 2014, trying to blind everyone with pure ignorance. Shame. Good news for Beta i suppose!

  74. google-drive-ocamlfuse by Curupira · · Score: 1

    Well, there IS the unofficial google-drive-ocamlfuse project.

  75. But do they realize by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    there is a difference between 0.02 dollars per month, and 0.02 cents per month?

  76. I've got 240+ GB at copy.com, for $0 a month by vandamme · · Score: 1

    ... because of referrals. https://copy.com?r=Zv8zHi